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April 30th, 2004, 11:22 AM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 617</FONT>
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General Hammond and the Pentagon reveal the existence of the Stargate to other world governments, and must defend the fact that the program is operated by the United States military.

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bcmilco
June 12th, 2004, 06:12 PM
It's a clips show what can we say?

I actually did like the plot of the episode I just wish they had done it with fewer clips. ;)

The idea of Kinsey manovering the whole situation to his advantage was a nice touch.

I also liked the fact that the other members of the UN security councle were told about the Stargate, the only thing I find a little annoying is that now that they know I would think we'd see a few international SG teams, even if it's just passing in the halls, but we haven't :(

Madeleine
June 12th, 2004, 09:32 PM
There was a nice little moment where the Russian explains to the Chinese that the reason they let the US have the Stargate is cos that way the US has to fund it.

Mostly though I didn't like this one. I found it totally incredible that two such high-achieving employees of the US government would have a spat in front of foreigners, and play the 'pick me, pick me' game like that. Also, dear as Major Davis is, he clearly hasn't had much experience in giving briefings :P

omnian
June 13th, 2004, 05:57 AM
Loving the part when Thor beams in (sitting in his chair of course :D ) and then corrects Kinsey on how he should be addressed. The look on Kinsey's face is priceless, lol. All in all though, this episode had its bad points but some good.

Also, I can't help but feel that this episode was somewhat pointless.

Mr Prophet
June 13th, 2004, 06:04 AM
Ah; the annual clip show, allowing cast and crew to take a well-earned break; or more likely to catch up on what they got behind on so they're ready to get on with getting behind on what they should be ahead of in the rest of the shooting season.

I feel that this is a pretty important episode, as it officially marks the point when Kinsey loses it and becomes completely insane. I mean, he's a US senator with plans for the White House, standing up and telling the ambassadors of every nation with a permanent seat on the Security Council that the USAF and the Pentagon are a bunch of dangerous loons. Frankly, I can't see how he expects anything to come of this but a fast moving car next time he crosses the street!

Moreover, what the heck is Mr 'God Bless America' doing, effectively trying to get the UN to dictate policy to the United States? Clearly the man has lost his marbles and abandoned whatever crazed-yet-sincere idealism he might have had left and gone utterly nuts.

And yet he still gets picked for the VP's ticket and elected.

Crazedwraith
June 13th, 2004, 06:38 AM
Ah; the annual clip show, <snip>

It's not annual there only been 4 over seven years.

Mr Prophet
June 13th, 2004, 07:10 AM
Ah; the biennial clip show...

SGSlugger
June 13th, 2004, 07:13 PM
It was an okay episode for me. I'm not sure though that I like the idea of telling the other leading nations. The whole Kinsey/Thor correction was priceless. :) I also think that they had a little bit too many clips.

Mr Prophet
June 13th, 2004, 09:08 PM
Oh, come on; like the other countries didn't know. I mean, maybe not those ambassadors, but there's no such thing as secrets these days.

SGSlugger
June 14th, 2004, 07:03 AM
Oh, come on; like the other countries didn't know. I mean, maybe not those ambassadors, but there's no such thing as secrets these days.

I'm not sure about telling about the whole stargate thing per se, but perhaps the Promethous and the X-302's along with contact with aliens would have been enough. The Russians seemed to agree with us on the matter.

Selmak
July 11th, 2004, 07:55 AM
Thor saves the day again.

Anubis
July 11th, 2004, 07:56 AM
Thor is one of our best allies. Always there to help us out. I hope he never gets hurt

greytop
July 14th, 2004, 11:41 AM
Loving the part when Thor beams in (sitting in his chair of course :D ) and then corrects Kinsey on how he should be addressed. The look on Kinsey's face is priceless.
I loved that part also. Kinsey seemed to have that look down when surprised at anything, especially in Lost City. When the prez told him to shutup. :D

aAnubiSs
July 14th, 2004, 11:50 AM
Thors fingers were kinda sexy :)

VirtualCLD
July 14th, 2004, 11:54 AM
That's odd, I could have sworn there was a clip show in every season, oh well. Well, they needed it for S6, because that last little effect for the season finale cost TPTB a nice little bundle. POSSIBLE SPOILER














AKA the large pyrotechnic effect!!!



Thor coming in to save the day is classic deus ex machina, especially with Thor!!! Yeay Thor!

Elwe Singollo
July 14th, 2004, 11:54 AM
Thors fingers were kinda sexy :)What kind of freaky fetish is that?! Oh well :rolleyes: I didn't understand how Kinsey's scenario was good, and how the delegates thought his was reasonable, i didnt!, but of course, i never want to haha...

aAnubiSs
July 14th, 2004, 11:56 AM
You just have to look at them a certain way, I wont reveal it though.

Elwe Singollo
July 14th, 2004, 11:58 AM
That OK, haha... Thats kind of scaring me now :(

Gosh, Thor should come down more often, since he does get attention, haha...

aAnubiSs
July 14th, 2004, 12:00 PM
Hi ladies, wanna see my alien friend?
*get smacked in the face*

:)

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 07:51 PM
Thor is one of our best allies. Always there to help us out. I hope he never gets hurt
He got hurt a few times... by the Replicators and ANUBIS.

Genty
July 23rd, 2004, 09:56 AM
This episode was probably my 2nd least favourite of the season after Abyss...

It just didnt add up for me, they were all all for shuting down the gate, until Thor turned up, made a fool of Kinsey and left... then theyl, all of a sudden, all changed their minds... As much as we a clip show was destined for this season, and the plt wasnt actually that bad. I was a bit disapointed with the way the episode actually panned out...

Anubis
July 23rd, 2004, 10:05 AM
Good old Thor though, and I liked Kinsey being moaned at! lol

VirtualCLD
July 23rd, 2004, 10:11 AM
They needed to save their budget for the end of the season (can we say $100,000 USD + just for the ONE effect act near the end of the season finale) so it was a typical clip show with a classic deus ex machina at the end, what's more to say?

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 08:47 PM
very frail... thor... skinny arms and fingers.

jyh
August 15th, 2004, 05:13 AM
Spoiler alert for episode Discloure
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There, I've satisfied the spoiler 'rules,' altho anyone who hasn't seen season six or this episode shouldn't have opened this thread in the first place. So there, if it's spoiled for you, it's your own darn fault!


Anyway, a local UPN network showed this episode last night, and it brought to mind a few questions I've wondered before. First of all, why were those particular countries invited to this summit? Great Britain and France I understand (altho if this had been filmed AFTER the Iraqi war began......). But what was China doing there? We (US govt) don't particularly like China or trust them (political repression, human rights violations). I just loved the line when the Chinese ambassador said "The Chinese government doesn't lie to its people." Har har, good one. You don't imprison political dissidents, either, do you?

I also wondered where some other countries were. I know the explanation they gave was something about "countries with the greatest military strength" or something like that. But Great Britain is rather small, size-wise, but so is Japan. And Japan probably has cooler technology for their soldiers. And what about Germany? They've supposedly been a political ally of the US (well, again, if this was filmed NOW....)


OOOH, wait, possible spoilers for later seasons:



Also, since that episode, I haven't seen much interaction with soldiers or governments represented at this summit. Except for Russia, of course, but even they have had a limited role. So what happened to the cooperation they all pledged? Has it been discussed at all?

aAnubiSs
August 15th, 2004, 05:25 AM
it was the UN Security Council.

Replicarter
August 15th, 2004, 07:26 AM
http://www.alphawebspace.com/~karl/GWPT.gif

Britain is small, but were smarter, we don’t go shooting the men of countries fighting WITH US, also, I thought China had something against the US they were going to release to the public?

http://www.alphawebspace.com/~karl/GWPB.gif

Anubis
August 15th, 2004, 07:28 AM
China certainly had something against the US in this episode. The UK was as supportive as I expected but China were a bit evil not agreeing to the terms, since the US didn't have to share that information.

Wyrminarrd
August 15th, 2004, 02:56 PM
As they guy said, it was the UN security council so having China there made sense.

This suited the writes well for they could use China as the bad guy easily and have them be the ones that need to be won over. This then makes it easier to justify showing clips from episodes where the most daring things have happened and the most spectacular.

jyh
August 15th, 2004, 05:31 PM
it was the UN Security Council.


That's true, they are permanent members of the Security Council, but that isn't what General Hammond said at the beginning. He mentioned something about the countries with great military force or military might, or something to that effect, I don't recall exact words. That's what made me wonder.


:cool:

Wyrminarrd
August 15th, 2004, 05:37 PM
Well, those are also the major nuclear powers in the world.....

mcdonis
August 17th, 2004, 05:30 AM
This episode was probably my 2nd least favourite of the season after Abyss...

It just didnt add up for me, they were all all for shuting down the gate, until Thor turned up, made a fool of Kinsey and left... then theyl, all of a sudden, all changed their minds... As much as we a clip show was destined for this season, and the plt wasnt actually that bad. I was a bit disapointed with the way the episode actually panned out...

The funny thing about Stargate is that at times when it seems that the show has a premise for a juicy plot they fall flat. Yet when they have what seems as a normal or weak premise they pull out a very good show. go figure?

I agree that the ending was a little poor. I think they could have done without about half of the choping and just did dialog. And I dont think kinsey was needed. While it was a good twist it was too much for one episode. Frankly their was hardly any discussion of the project. Almost no questions were asked by the rep's. I hardly think that they would be willing to just agree without more detailed info. Not to mention I think they would question Thor and what he really meant.

Yes I know its a tv show and they dont have the time. But this kind of juicy plot should have been left for a two parter.

Anubis
August 17th, 2004, 07:48 AM
They needed to save their budget for the end of the season (can we say $100,000 USD + just for the ONE effect act near the end of the season finale) so it was a typical clip show with a classic deus ex machina at the end, what's more to say?



That affect at the end didn't seem like $100,000 but I'm no expert on this sort of stuff. I'm glad that they resolved their little 'argument' but this certainly wasn't the best episode of the season. I think they could have made it better, if they tried.

Ramne
August 30th, 2004, 09:53 PM
But Great Britain is rather small, size-wise, but so is Japan. And Japan probably has cooler technology for their soldiers.

I am far from an expert on this, but I believe the new Constitution Japan put into effect following WW2 prohibits them from maintaining an Army. They do have Self Defense Forces and such, but are mainly a pacifist nation now. They kind of stretched the definition to help out in Iraq, saying it was a self defense move against terrorism and such.

Again, I am no expert, and I am sure others know more about it than I do, but that just popped into my mind when I was reading this ;p

Mr Prophet
September 1st, 2004, 08:33 AM
I am far from an expert on this, but I believe the new Constitution Japan put into effect following WW2 prohibits them from maintaining an Army. They do have Self Defense Forces and such, but are mainly a pacifist nation now.

I believe this is so; that's why when Godzilla attacks they just have the guys in the white helmets who run around shouting a lot.

Major Fischer
September 1st, 2004, 08:43 AM
I am far from an expert on this, but I believe the new Constitution Japan put into effect following WW2 prohibits them from maintaining an Army. They do have Self Defense Forces and such, but are mainly a pacifist nation now. They kind of stretched the definition to help out in Iraq, saying it was a self defense move against terrorism and such.

You are correct, the JSDF is limited by it's contitution in size and budget. There have been efforts in recent years to change that part of the constitution by those who (I believe rightly) believe that the nation's influence in world affairs is limited because they are unwilling to risk the lives of their sons and daughters.

These measures have been defeated handily. The pacifist constitution is one of the most popular elements of the government in Japan. I don't see it changing anytime soon.

SeaBee
September 17th, 2004, 02:10 PM
You can just hear the PTB.
"OK, guys you're over budget, time to dig out some clips!"

I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again. I hate clip shows. I really wish people who make programs would stop bringing out visual "greatest hits" progs whenever they need to save some cash.

XToDaZ
November 9th, 2004, 06:03 PM
I liked little grey man Thor again, nice move indeed by general Hammond. [Mod snip]

Anyway, about Japan. They want to get into the UNSC as fast as possible, as does Germany, and they have already stepped on the edge of their consitution with the troops stationed in Iraq. Surely their pacifist constitution will be changed some day soon and quite frankly, I can't blame them. If China was my neighbor, well, I'd like to gear up and get armed and ready too.
[Mod snip] [They] can't be strapped forever because of the 40's ... they're more trustworthy than China is in my opinion.

alz0rz
November 29th, 2004, 07:37 PM
Also, since that episode, I haven't seen much interaction with soldiers or governments represented at this summit. Except for Russia, of course, but even they have had a limited role. So what happened to the cooperation they all pledged? Has it been discussed at all?

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Well we do see in Atlantis that its more of a international expedition - from all around.



Also, am I the only one that in Discolure they mention SG1 so much they should have had a walk-in during the brefeing. "These are the guys who you owe your life to" and Teal'c a real live alien.. but then again Thor's sexy appearance made up for all that but it was still expected :rolleyes:

and Kinsey got owned.. nuff said :D

Erik Pasternak
November 29th, 2004, 08:11 PM
Also, am I the only one that in Discolure they mention SG1 so much they should have had a walk-in during the brefeing.The purpose of clip shows is to save money, so the regulars (minus the venerable George Hammond) don't appear.

LMichelle
December 7th, 2004, 11:57 AM
*yawns* Next, please.

corey2002
January 21st, 2005, 09:55 PM
did anyone else notice that the table is the same one thats in the atlantis breifing room?

aussie_gal
January 22nd, 2005, 03:28 AM
no i didn't

Yu`
February 8th, 2005, 08:11 PM
This one was great! very clever clip show. Kinsey had a good plan and it was a nice surprise to see Thor make an appearence.

Mr Prophet
February 9th, 2005, 10:45 AM
This one was great! very clever clip show. Kinsey had a good plan and it was a nice surprise to see Thor make an appearence.

What? To convince the most powerful nations in the world that the USAF is a farcical body of incompetents? That's not a good plan, particularly if you're already planning to be President and thus CiC of the Air Force anyway.

SilverRider
February 22nd, 2005, 11:29 PM
haha....i ain't complaining...It was good, :D

But what the heck...atleast Major Davis got some srceen time. *bats her lashes innocently*

greytop
March 24th, 2005, 01:56 PM
also, I thought China had something against the US they were going to release to the public?China wants to use the Stargate as bargining tool to get what it wants. So, IMO, it says that is going to release it infromation to the Chinese people, which it probably won't, because it releases what it want the people to hear.

zellus
March 26th, 2005, 08:59 AM
I love this episode one of my favorite ever I liked the fact that hammond and davis could not convince them that it was real. I have always liked recap of previous episodes. The ending was the best part when thor beams in and puts kinsey in his place.

Chaka's_Mum
April 8th, 2005, 04:57 AM
I'm not normally a fan of clip shows, because the storyline is often horribly contrived to shoehorn the clips in. But I enjoyed this one partly because of the concept of disclosing the existence of the Stargate, but mostly because Thor squished Kinsey's attempt to take control of the programme, and made him look a prat in the process. Go Thor! :D

SilverRider
April 8th, 2005, 09:43 PM
Gotta love thor in this one ^_^

Chaka's_Mum
April 11th, 2005, 05:01 AM
I thought the British Ambassador's greeting when Thor arrived was incredibly realistic.

"..........h-hello?"

Very British. None of this "where the £$%&*£$ did that come from?!" stuff. :D

PugGate
May 6th, 2005, 04:51 PM
When Thor said that Asgard shields and weapons were being installed on the Prometheus, were there little naked asgard running around the ship or did Thor just beam the components onto the ship?

Spoilers for Lost City: What about the Asgard weapons? In 'The Lost City', I only say the Prometheus firing rail guns.

Abydosian
June 12th, 2005, 02:54 AM
Didn't think that this episode was too bad for a clip show, and did have the potential for a good plot. But there would have been more questions, more discussion and the sudden change of heart at the end was a bit too fast, in my opinion.

Still, not the worst, and better than some of the earlier clip shows (Politics...)

QuiGonJohn
June 14th, 2005, 05:05 AM
Not too bad for a clip show. Again, a good main story, just too bad so much was filler with the clips. Also, seemed a little different in that the clips covered the whole series, not just the current season. And an episode where the entire SG-1 team didn't have to do any work for the episode, (another break for RDA).

Stricken
June 17th, 2005, 03:11 AM
I rember watching this episode and it filled in the gaps i had about certain parts to the show, a clip show which IMO is one of the better ones!

SilverRider
June 17th, 2005, 03:20 AM
Thor's apperence makes it worthwhile :D

Lucreleia
June 28th, 2005, 02:04 PM
Ok, I loved Thor, and I so much hate Kinsey, but I don't completely buy that the ambassadors accepted Thor as an alien just because he appeared from nowhere.
Could'n they think that it was a hologram, or a trick? I think despite the shock, they just changed their minds too quickly.
I liked when Thor corrected Kinsey: "Supreme Commander (you darn fool...)"

Mainer82
August 5th, 2005, 04:41 AM
I enjoyed this episode a lot. I really cannot stand Kinsey!

I don't think it was pointless as it was building up to the Atlantis spinoff. Anything with the Asgard I fall in love with. :D

LuvsJonasQuinn
August 18th, 2005, 12:31 AM
I know this was basically a clip show episode but I enjoyed the plot running throught it. I love how General Hammond outmaneuved Kinsey by having Thor show up. Everyone there was so impressed with how Thor and General Hammond were getting along and talking. It nice to see clips of some really great episodes. I love that stuff for season 6 with Jonas was included.

SimilarCadence
August 18th, 2005, 08:50 AM
I thought the British Ambassador's greeting when Thor arrived was incredibly realistic.

"..........h-hello?"

Very British. None of this "where the £$%&*£$ did that come from?!" stuff. :D

That always makes me smile! The British are so refreshingly civilized----glad I married one.....

(These posts tend to be a bit surreal when you realize you're responding to someone's post from months ago---someone who may never even read your response! :p)

Chaka's_Mum
August 18th, 2005, 10:00 PM
That always makes me smile! The British are so refreshingly civilized----glad I married one.....

(These posts tend to be a bit surreal when you realize you're responding to someone's post from months ago---someone who may never even read your response! :p)


Aha! I've read it!!! :D

SimilarCadence
August 19th, 2005, 08:39 AM
Aha! I've read it!!! :D

That was very civilized of you! :D

GateGipsy
August 19th, 2005, 09:50 AM
Ah yes, I married a Brit too!

SimilarCadence
August 20th, 2005, 07:42 AM
Ah yes, I married a Brit too!

An international marriage makes life a little more interesting, doesn't it? :p

(I see you're still in the UK---there are still things I miss about living in London despite the number of years we've been over here.... And that's my Disclosure, to keep this on topic!)

Gargen
August 20th, 2005, 08:05 AM
man this is my favorite flashback episode especially when thor comes in and kick kinseys ass

walter_MacChevron
October 31st, 2005, 08:33 PM
pretty boring....but it hand continuing politics and it saved money

skeezix
March 22nd, 2006, 06:38 PM
Felt the Thor thing coming but dammit if it wasn't one of the most gratifying moments of the series. Thor correcting Kinsey on the Supreme part of his rank was hilarious, cheesy, and perfect at the same time. The perspective from which it was shot, with Kinsey in the background and Thor's index(?) finger pointed upward was fantastic. I clapped for our little grey friend. For those who thought it was meh for a clip show, I thought it was a well done one considering some others I've seen in other series, especially anime.

SilverRider
March 23rd, 2006, 12:19 AM
pretty boring....but it hand continuing politics and it saved money


How can sat you it was boring? I mean we had a HOT looking Major for one hour :D :D :D

Pharaoh Atem
March 26th, 2006, 03:36 PM
boring clips show kinsy did good in thsi epsiode always trying to get the gate from us

good old thor always around the help

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 25th, 2006, 08:32 AM
I was surprised coz I really loved this episode; I love surprises, so when Thor just appeared out of no where at the end and basically told Kinsey to 'Hey - Cut that out.' I laughed so hard my dog died.

ablevins425
August 25th, 2006, 09:40 AM
Sorry to bring up plot holes and stuff, but I have to say this. I was just watching this episode, and after Thor beams in he says that he is there to install Asgard designed shields and WEAPONS! What is this, our ships have never had Asgard weapons. I just wish they would!! Can someone explain, or is this just a mistake??

garhkal
March 6th, 2007, 08:33 PM
Loving the part when Thor beams in (sitting in his chair of course :D ) and then corrects Kinsey on how he should be addressed. The look on Kinsey's face is priceless, lol. All in all though, this episode had its bad points but some good.

Also, I can't help but feel that this episode was somewhat pointless.

While i do agree, the plot behind it was good, but how they did it was a little 'off, overall i did like the ep.. And seeing Checkov again, actually working with the US was great. As for Thors line, that was classic... I especially loved his
"i believe col oniel was joking when he said to beam you to an uninhabited planet for your crimes here'..


First of all, why were those particular countries invited to this summit? Great Britain and France I understand (altho if this had been filmed AFTER the Iraqi war began......). But what was China doing there? We (US govt) don't particularly like China or trust them (political repression, human rights violations). I just loved the line when the Chinese ambassador said "The Chinese government doesn't lie to its people." Har har, good one. You don't imprison political dissidents, either, do you?

I would have liked to know why china was there too, and not other 'allied countries like germany, austrailia etc..


I also wondered where some other countries were. I know the explanation they gave was something about "countries with the greatest military strength" or something like that. But Great Britain is rather small, size-wise, but so is Japan. And Japan probably has cooler technology for their soldiers. Also, since that episode, I haven't seen much interaction with soldiers or governments represented at this summit. Except for Russia, of course, but even they have had a limited role. So what happened to the cooperation they all pledged? Has it been discussed at all?

Japan was not there... As to britian having 'small' strength, while that might be, to me, they go for more 'quality' than quantitiy... And i do agree, they should have shown more interaction between the member states there and SG1 over the years, other than the few IOA shows we have had..



Also, am I the only one that in Discolure they mention SG1 so much they should have had a walk-in during the brefeing. "These are the guys who you owe your life to" and Teal'c a real live alien..

I would have liked that, even if it was just Jack and Sam (since they are military)..


I thought the British Ambassador's greeting when Thor arrived was incredibly realistic.

"..........h-hello?"

Very British. None of this "where the £$%&*£$ did that come from?!" stuff. :D

LOL. that is quite true... and i especially like, that the french ambasador, kind of 'stood' back... not knowing what to do..


I love how General Hammond outmaneuved Kinsey by having Thor show up..

I also liked it that Kinsey knew he was 'beat' and admitted it to hammond "general, i would like to say well played"..

JoNzA
June 30th, 2007, 03:23 PM
man this is my favorite flashback episode especially when thor comes in and kick kinseys ass

HAHA agreed i love when Thor comes down ewrybody becomes so surprised
its pricless :P

poundpuppy29
June 30th, 2007, 03:38 PM
I liked this ep better than Politics in season 1. I thought it flowed better. I thought Hammond was real good and Major Davis I think that's his name. I hated Kinsey he gets on my nerves he's too OTT.

lophius
July 6th, 2007, 07:07 PM
I hope someone can help answer this question...

In Disclosure, after Major Davis and General Hammond mention the Goa'uld and Asgard ships that crashed to Earth, the British Ambassador says "Although I am a bit dubious that not one, but two reported meteors in the last few years were in fact alien ships." To this, Major Davis replies, "Actually there were three."

Okay, I know that the Anubis' ship and Thor's ship were the two referred to above, but I cannot figure out what the THIRD ship was! Am I spacing out (pun not intentional...) and missing something really obvious?

If anyone can tell me what third ship Davis is referring to, I would be very happy, and get a lot more sleep at night...

:S

Thanks!

JoNzA
July 7th, 2007, 12:47 PM
I hope someone can help answer this question...

In Disclosure, after Major Davis and General Hammond mention the Goa'uld and Asgard ships that crashed to Earth, the British Ambassador says "Although I am a bit dubious that not one, but two reported meteors in the last few years were in fact alien ships." To this, Major Davis replies, "Actually there were three."

Okay, I know that the Anubis' ship and Thor's ship were the two referred to above, but I cannot figure out what the THIRD ship was! Am I spacing out (pun not intentional...) and missing something really obvious?

If anyone can tell me what third ship Davis is referring to, I would be very happy, and get a lot more sleep at night...

:S

Thanks!

well the third one was not a ship it actually was a meteor
it was in epeisode fail safe ;)

Pogo01
September 22nd, 2007, 10:16 PM
While they were explaining they showed clips of previous episodes. I was just wondering if you guys can help me figure out exactly which episode they were. Okay for the 1st one. They were explaining how 3 aliens ships have crashed on Earth. One was the Asgard vessell. Which episode was that? the other one is when they were explaining how the Gouald invade with thousands of troops per ship. Which episode was that?

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
September 23rd, 2007, 06:14 AM
The clip of the Asgard ship crashing is from Nemesis (3:22), and the one with the Goa'uld attacking with thousands of Jaffa was Summit (5:15)

theStormWeaver
September 23rd, 2007, 05:32 PM
But the clip from Summit wasn't of them attacking Earth, Zipacna (who was in thrall to Anubis) sent that force to take a Tok'ra base.

Not that either of you suggested that, just clarifying.

L E E
July 25th, 2008, 05:45 AM
clip show ep. lots of talking. please tell me kinsey is gonna get his due? he is just so so...grrr...

but, i still enjoyed it because *supreme* commander Thor is here! telling kinsey that jack wanted him transported in another planet but was "reasonably certain it was made in jest." and love that little gray guy correcting kinsey. :lol:

and he brought gifts too!

i don't care about politics. but i don't think it's a good idea for someone who plans to become a president to insult the military. it's also bad form to bicker with your own countrymen in front of foreign people during a meeting such as in this ep. the coma must have caused some brain damage to kinsey.

SG1FanOregon
August 3rd, 2008, 06:50 AM
This is an episode I really enjoyed. It was pretty interesting considering it was a clip show. I tend to get excited at any ep that has bits of disclosure in it. OMG! I live to see their reactions. & the Brit's reaction was classic!!! "Wha, what"??? I so wish to sometime see the StarGate be introduced to the world & the reaction & how they handle it. Anyway as far as to who was chosen to be there for disclosure & why such allies like Japan & Australia were left out. Hammond himself stated they were there because they were the most militarily powerful in the event of an attack on earth & the Chinese themselves had evidence to contradict the cover stories that they were about to come forward with.
Maybe Kinsey & Hammond shouldn't be holding their private little war in front of other nations, but it goes to show not only Kinsey's desperation to snag the gate, but his self righteousness. It's obvious he's too 1 track minded to care about agruing in front of foreign dignataries, & Hammond was left in a position in which he had to respond. The consequences of what'd happen if the NID had the gate were too important to ignore. I love Thor!! For a puppet he's a GREAT character. I loved that finger he gave Kinsey & I think if it wasn't a family oriented show Thor would've flipped him a different one. Hahaha! You can't invent a Sci-Fi show & create a non existant world without inconsistancies & at least most of them are minor. I laugh at some, but never let them get in the way of the enjoyment of the show

Athram
October 7th, 2008, 02:01 PM
I'm going to be honest, i dont know why but this is my favourite episode of SG1 i have no idea why it is; it just is.

jelgate
October 7th, 2008, 03:57 PM
Well judging by your sig. You like the Asgard.:D Also Kinsey is a pain in the mikta

Hornet
December 7th, 2008, 08:10 AM
I would have liked to know why china was there too, and not other 'allied countries like germany, austrailia etc..


As mentioned by other user, these 5 nations are nations of the UN Security Council, they are the 5 most powerful nations in UN with veto power.

The reason why they are disclosing this was for global security reason, they are not disclosing it to friends just because they feel like chatting about it with someone.

So, whether we like these nations or not, they are the nations that must first know about the stargate. Global security issues, UN Security Council.

Disclosing it to Australia is not going to do much good when the goauld attacks, and as mentioned, this is not something they can disclose to other nation just for kicks.

They can only disclose the stargate program to nations that matters most, should they resort to an all out self defense war against the goauld.

Butlersgate
March 14th, 2009, 08:40 AM
As mentioned by other user, these 5 nations are nations of the UN Security Council, they are the 5 most powerful nations in UN with veto power.

The reason why they are disclosing this was for global security reason, they are not disclosing it to friends just because they feel like chatting about it with someone.

So, whether we like these nations or not, they are the nations that must first know about the stargate. Global security issues, UN Security Council.

Disclosing it to Australia is not going to do much good when the goauld attacks, and as mentioned, this is not something they can disclose to other nation just for kicks.

They can only disclose the stargate program to nations that matters most, should they resort to an all out self defense war against the goauld.

agreed!

i love thor putting kinsey in his place haha classic :D

Stargate4Eva
April 2nd, 2009, 06:01 AM
i love thor putting kinsey in his place haha classic :D

I loved that part to. This episode was pretty good, I don't like Kinsey! I was so wanting thor to find some planet to send him to.

janus 510
April 7th, 2009, 06:05 AM
But the clip from Summit wasn't of them attacking Earth, Zipacna (who was in thrall to Anubis) sent that force to take a Tok'ra base.

Not that either of you suggested that, just clarifying.

but it was the clip they showed I am quite sure

The Stig
May 15th, 2009, 01:00 PM
well its about time they revealed the stargate program to other countries. good ep even if it was a clip show.

vzzzzzbx
June 6th, 2009, 07:13 PM
Okay, a clip show, but as clip shows go, it wasn't too bad. I somehow thought the French ambassador would have wanted to surrender to the Goa'uld though.. :D

General_Finley
June 17th, 2009, 01:56 PM
I personally loved this episode, I thought the plot was great but it could have done with a few less clips.

Teresa35
June 21st, 2009, 03:13 PM
I saw this episode this past tuesday or wednesday when it was on the little mini marathon as I call it. Loved how Thor put Kinsey in his place! "That's surpreme commander"

Tachyon
January 10th, 2010, 11:15 PM
This was surprisingly good for a recap episode. :)

AresLover452
January 11th, 2010, 12:05 AM
I liked this one because of the fact that Thor totally put Kinsey in his place... lol!! I was like "You Rock Thor!!"

es!
January 11th, 2010, 06:41 AM
I liked this one because of the fact that Thor totally put Kinsey in his place... lol!! I was like "You Rock Thor!!"

This is the only thing I liked about this ep. It was a bottom line ep otherwise, and they make me sleepy.

Jeff O'Connor
February 17th, 2010, 11:19 AM
While recent posts in this thread would suggest otherwise, this episode gets a lot of hate. I understand that, given it's partially a clipshow, that's going to happen and I can't argue with that sort of logic. But I've seen people claiming it has zero plot, and the lack of SG-1 in present form was a gamebreaker, and it was just a dreadful ep.

I rewatched it last night and... no, I rather enjoyed it.

lkg1980
March 3rd, 2010, 08:08 PM
it's not my favorite bottle show but I was expecting the Chinese Ambassador to stand up, put his hands together and say "Namaste and Good Luck!"

Christine

mrscopterdoc
March 23rd, 2010, 08:43 PM
Not the best considering it was a clip show but not bad. Gotta love Thor :P I wish Kinsey would just die!

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
March 26th, 2010, 12:31 PM
just finished watching this episode and i loved the kinsey/thor scenes. the whole episode was good. but seeing thor put kinsey in his place was just priceless.

asdf1239
April 22nd, 2010, 10:30 PM
the stargate program risks the entire world and everyone living on it and is entirely authorized by the consent of very few individuals

and i'm a bit surprised that people think china shouldn't have been represented
the russians/chinese as incompetent bad guys while america saves the day thing is already very dated, even stargate shouldn't have been using it in the 21st century

Meshakhad
May 24th, 2010, 06:42 PM
Yes, it was a deus ex machina, but it was an AWESOME deus ex machina. Then again, Thor is the god of awesome, so it fits.

maneth
October 12th, 2010, 08:09 PM
Yeah, indeed. Loved it when Thor showed up. This could have been a boring clip show, but wasn't. And I'm glad Kinsey was thwarted again...

mgerton
October 13th, 2010, 09:41 AM
i thought it was not but 4 or so episodes that kinsey was assasinated. what is he doing here?

SSJPabs
November 30th, 2010, 08:00 PM
I am always a huge sucker for any episode where the Stargate is revealed to someone. Doesn't matter if it's the guy from the Nanny, or a snot-nosed now-it-all genius girl. If something like that happened to me in real life I would probably sit down and cry because it was so awesome. I admit it.

To have these self-assured men who are representatives of major powers suddenly confronted with the incredible stargate universe is fantastic, and I love how it slowly dawns on them. Since the episode is on tonight after the repeat of SGU I thought I'd post about it here.

Nemises
May 17th, 2011, 04:32 PM
I think more countries should have been invited but i understand the writers point of view and it would then become too complex.

But for knowledge sake...these are the military rankings.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1742/unleddb.jpg

http://www.globalfirepower.com/

All the countries have nukes except for Japan and Brazil. (Germany and Turkey indirectly through nuclear sharing from NATO). Furthermore all the 5 UN security council countries have given approval for India to join the security council and more than likely germany and brazil would also become permanent members.

Dave2
December 16th, 2011, 10:13 AM
A very good "low-budget" episode with most of the cast on vacation(!) It just leaves us wondering that now that these governments (and apparently ONLY these governments) know about the Stargate, what happens next in terms of international involvement in the Stargate program??

dipsofjazz
December 17th, 2011, 01:11 PM
A very good "low-budget" episode with most of the cast on vacation(!) It just leaves us wondering that now that these governments (and apparently ONLY these governments) know about the Stargate, what happens next in terms of international involvement in the Stargate program??
I would suggest you keep watching to find out. :)

Dave2
December 17th, 2011, 03:09 PM
Personally I think Disclosure was a very good and important episode in one way. It helps the viewer get the whole picture of SG and SG1 into perspective, reminds the viewer of the how things developed, and sort of puts all the pieces together. One every year or two would have been even better.


I would suggest you keep watching to find out. :)

LeftHandedGuitarist
January 4th, 2012, 02:47 PM
Eurgh, clip shows. I understand perfectly why they exist, but they are excruciating to have to sit through. The story surrounding the clips is quite enjoyable here which helps.

RATING: 6 out of 10

Matt G
January 24th, 2012, 02:30 PM
I stuck a VHS into the Halls of Residence machine...

1. Even though this was a clipshow I was actually relatively looking forward to it given that we saw the first sign of British involvement here.

2. Kinsey was a bleep and I remember someone saying that the argument between him and Hammond made the whole episode very unrealistic. Yeah but probably not as interesting(relatively speaking) either.

3. Good thing Hammond was able to play his "pick up Thor" though.

Allright for a clipshow I guess.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 24th, 2012, 03:34 PM
I liked this episode, it's one of my favorite clip-shows I've seen.

This is a very significant episode in regards to the franchise, even if it is a clip-show. I don't how an episode like this could be done without being a clipshow.

Could they have used a newer picture of Daniel? The one they used looks a bit dated.

When Thor mocked Kinsey about rant, was awesome, knocked Kinsey down a notch.

Tomorrow, I don't know, haven't seen it in a while.

AlexanderD
January 24th, 2012, 03:38 PM
One of my favorite episodes, bar none.

bookwormjules
January 24th, 2012, 05:31 PM
NOt a favorite episode of mine. Although it was the first stargate episode I ever saw the person who introduced me to the show had me watch this episode first. As far as clip shows go, is great, but overall in the stargate verse, not the best.

I did like Thor owning Kinsey, that was, and always will be awesome in my books. To bad he didn't follow. O'Neill's advice:jack:

Krisz
January 24th, 2012, 06:17 PM
Haven't seen this one in a long while. Still as entertaining as ever for a clip show. I have to say Stargate did clip shows really well. Kinsey just will not give up, he's just so wonderfully sneaky, always a joy to see him put in his place by Thor! It's just one of those memorable scenes of Stargate. :)

This time round it was funny to notice that the table they are sitting at made its way to Atlantis' conference room. Good reuse of a set piece! :D

Jae'a
January 25th, 2012, 08:18 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/34238.html)

Good stuff, for a clip show ;) :)

jelgate
January 28th, 2012, 01:36 PM
I made this statement back when I reviewed Politics is that clip shows depend on the reason and importance behind the clips. And that is what sells Disclosure so well. The dialouge and story behind the clips is so crucial and lays the groundwork for many future story arcs that I think it works. The tensions between Hammond and the other world powers works and their motivation for being angry with the US is understandable. Although nothing works between than Hammond and Kinsey's battle of words. Their is quite a bit of tension as the two justify their position to the rest of the world. Thor's appearence has a huge wow factor but at the same time it seems like a too easy solution for the problem of the bickering between the world powers.

garhkal
February 5th, 2012, 10:00 AM
And it was great watching the other powers quickly go "Ok, you win"

Lieutenant Sparrow
February 7th, 2012, 08:07 PM
I liked this ep more this time than I have on previous watches.

Kinsey was at his worst. I actually clapped at the end when Thor showed him up.

:thor:

LT. COL. John Sheppard
February 22nd, 2012, 02:20 AM
Why wasn't Australia in the meeting???????

AlexanderD
February 22nd, 2012, 02:24 AM
Australia doesn't sit on the UN Security Council, and at that point had played no role in the SG Program. The nations attending the meeting also represented the bulk of global military power. Australia was excluded for that reason.

Cluas
January 29th, 2013, 09:17 PM
I don't like these flashback shows, this was kind of cool though. And I understand they had to get the "new" viewers up to date (and possible save the budget). And the scenes in the Security Council was good, I like the actor playing Kinsey. Thor saved the day, but I missed Jack and the others, they should have been there - They could have brought Teal'c in to explain?

Falcon Horus
July 7th, 2013, 03:23 PM
Still want to airlock Kinsey! Totally love it when Thor puts him in his place. :p With that little finger in the air, "Supreme Commander Thor" ... he totally pwnd Kinsey!

Other than that, I find this a very boring episode. Not much else to say about it.

Baron Of Hell
July 8th, 2013, 01:46 AM
I dug this episode but I'm half drunk right now so what do I know. Thor was the shinning light but I didn't have a problem with anything else. Pretty good clip show.

Meaghan
July 11th, 2015, 07:03 PM
Kinsey should have known better than to pick THAT sort of fight in front of others.

THOR ROCKS!

Every time I see this episode and the Chinese Ambassador comes on, I keep on expecting him to be wearing the Dharma uniform and lab coat and going on about Namaste....

I seem to have heard somewhere that Thor was just a hologram. Was this just a fanfic thing?

garhkal
July 12th, 2015, 12:20 AM
Not sure. Never heard that thought before.

I Am Not James Spader
September 16th, 2015, 02:31 PM
Kinsey should have known better than to pick THAT sort of fight in front of others.

THOR ROCKS!

Every time I see this episode and the Chinese Ambassador comes on, I keep on expecting him to be wearing the Dharma uniform and lab coat and going on about Namaste....

I seem to have heard somewhere that Thor was just a hologram. Was this just a fanfic thing?

I knew I'd seen him before. ;)

Very disappointed that such a major event in the mythology is reduced to being a clip show.

Can someone explain the reasoning behind these type of episodes?

EDIT: While the the whole flashback element is unappealing, and does hinder the historical nature of the episode, Thor's last minute appearance with his support of Hammond and his putting Kinsey firmly in his place, is a great moment. :)

jelgate
September 16th, 2015, 04:48 PM
I knew I'd seen him before. ;)

Very disappointed that such a major event in the mythology is reduced to being a clip show.

Can someone explain the reasoning behind these type of episodes?

EDIT: While the the whole flashback element is unappealing, and does hinder the historical nature of the episode, Thor's last minute appearance with his support of Hammond and his putting Kinsey firmly in his place, is a great moment. :)
They are cheap and save money

garhkal
September 16th, 2015, 10:41 PM
They possibly also serve to bring newer folk to the show, up to speed on some of the main points of what has happened so far.

Anja
September 23rd, 2015, 12:50 PM
They possibly also serve to bring newer folk to the show, up to speed on some of the main points of what has happened so far.

I agree, I liked this ep and I really loved Thor and his little index finger - great! The ambassadors were well chosen - IMO. Would have liked to see a German ambassador though.

I Am Not James Spader
September 23rd, 2015, 03:15 PM
They are cheap and save money

Producers can save even more by not making an episode at all rather just making an episode to fill a quota. ;)

Unlike other TV shows, SG-1 has actually had a story to tell in their two "clip episodes". However, in both those episodes the story was hindered by the "clips". In this episode, for instance, the flashbacks could all have been told in dialogue* or we could get a story from something happening at the SGC while Hammond is at the briefing.

I take Davis monologuing SG-1's adventures over flashbacks any day of the week.


They possibly also serve to bring newer folk to the show, up to speed on some of the main points of what has happened so far.

While that may have one of the intentions, I don't see it working in the way this was presented here. The clips were random from the shows history and didn't work as a guide to the overall mythology.

If they'd just let the actors do it all in dialogue the episode would have been much more intriguing - especially when Davies and Cox were going at each other, rather than cutting into the fine performances with flashbacks.

jelgate
September 23rd, 2015, 04:33 PM
Television does not work that way. SyFy ordered a set amount of episodes and wants that set amount

Anja
September 24th, 2015, 02:00 AM
I think TV audience wants to watch action, not listen entirely to dialogues about action. The clips work for me but to each her own!!!

I Am Not James Spader
September 24th, 2015, 04:13 AM
Television does not work that way. SyFy ordered a set amount of episodes and wants that set amount

I'm not just talking about Stargate here, but clip shows in general.

As I said, SG-1 is rather unique in that they not only have story in these kinds of episodes, but a damn good story so unlike clip shows in other TV series these episodes aren't just fillers.

However, the SG-1 episodes in question are let by the addition of flashbacks. More O'Neill/Hammond vs Kinsey dialogue bests clips any day


I think TV audience wants to watch action, not listen entirely to dialogues about action. The clips work for me but to each her own!!!

SG-1 audiences get plenty of action. One episode out of 22 that lets an actor like Davies take centre stage and flex his talent a bit more is not a bad thing.

And you misunderstand what I mean by Davies and the rest describing the action with dialogue - I meant for Hammond and Kinsey to battle it out and tell the Stargate story with dialogue not to describe the various action clips in words. ;)

Falcon Horus
September 24th, 2015, 01:42 PM
And dialogue gets boring after a while...

I Am Not James Spader
September 24th, 2015, 02:55 PM
And dialogue gets boring after a while...

That depends entirely on the writing and the performances.

If you are suggesting that Davis and Cox couldn't deliver, I declare you to be wrong. :tealcanime44:

SG-1 delivers plenty of action on a week to basis. Even in episodes where there is no actual combat, there is alsways some level of action - for example in "Revisions" the walk through the toxic atmosphere, while uneventual, is exciting and gives the illusion that the environment is much larger in scope than it is, and the later scene were the zombified villagers corner SG-1.

Two dialogue heavy action free episodes in six seasons is not the end of the world. They are the only good parts of those episodes.

And the clips, especially in "Disclosure" are not sufficient to educate a new viewer on the show's growing mythology. Clips shows are lazy.:jack_new_anime25:

Falcon Horus
September 24th, 2015, 11:31 PM
You would basically be watching a bunch of men in a room, talking... It's like watching parliament in session and it gets boring really fast. If you have nothing else for 42 minutes, there's no way the attention of the viewer's going to stick.

Anja
September 25th, 2015, 02:09 AM
I'm not just talking about Stargate here, but clip shows in general.

As I said, SG-1 is rather unique in that they not only have story in these kinds of episodes, but a damn good story so unlike clip shows in other TV series these episodes aren't just fillers.

However, the SG-1 episodes in question are let by the addition of flashbacks. More O'Neill/Hammond vs Kinsey dialogue bests clips any day



SG-1 audiences get plenty of action. One episode out of 22 that lets an actor like Davies take centre stage and flex his talent a bit more is not a bad thing.

And you misunderstand what I mean by Davies and the rest describing the action with dialogue - I meant for Hammond and Kinsey to battle it out and tell the Stargate story with dialogue not to describe the various action clips in words. ;)

I think Kinsey would have run out of arguments very fast!!!

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 25th, 2015, 06:38 AM
I think you underestimate Kinsey.

Seaboe

Anja
September 25th, 2015, 10:56 AM
Nope, none of the episodes with him shows that he can argument well or that he has got things at hand to gain advantage and therefore the power he is thriving for.
But again, it's TV and so - to each his/her own!!!:rolleyes:

jelgate
September 25th, 2015, 04:26 PM
I would disagree. Especially Politics.

I Am Not James Spader
September 28th, 2015, 01:16 PM
You would basically be watching a bunch of men in a room, talking... It's like watching parliament in session and it gets boring really fast. If you have nothing else for 42 minutes, there's no way the attention of the viewer's going to stick.

Then you underestimate the intelligence and ability of your fellow fans.

People are not thick and don't need to thrown "shiny trinkets" in order to keep their attention. Writers need to use their imagination and put a bit more effort in rather then taking the easy way out.

I Am Not James Spader
September 28th, 2015, 01:16 PM
I think you underestimate Kinsey.

Seaboe


Agreed.

I Am Not James Spader
September 28th, 2015, 01:23 PM
Nope, none of the episodes with him shows that he can argument well or that he has got things at hand to gain advantage and therefore the power he is thriving for.
But again, it's TV and so - to each his/her own!!!:rolleyes:

He was doing just fine in this episode. A few more minutes wasn't going to kill the writers.

At the very they could have had a sub plot of events back at the SGC - perhaps a funny store of O'Neill standing in for Hammond dealing with all the everyday events of a base commander.

jelgate
September 28th, 2015, 01:43 PM
Think you're underestimating how much of the 43 minutes is used from the clips. As for a side story, besides being pointless adding in RDA would only add more money not save it like clip shows are designed for

hedwig
September 28th, 2015, 02:32 PM
At the very they could have had a sub plot of events back at the SGC - perhaps a funny store of O'Neill standing in for Hammond dealing with all the everyday events of a base commander.

Which was what was done in Season 8 when Jack WAS the base commander ("Zero Hour"). :)

Falcon Horus
September 29th, 2015, 12:57 AM
Then you underestimate the intelligence and ability of your fellow fans.

It's not the fans you should think of - they'll watch no matter what. It's the casual viewers that will go away and never come back.

TV-shows aren't just made for the fans who come back every week to watch it, and put everything else on hold. Otherwise Firefly would still be on the air. Casual viewers make up a whole bigger group and it's their attention you need to be able to keep.

Anja
September 29th, 2015, 12:00 PM
Casual viewers of a serial like Stargate do have difficulties in understanding what's really going on - I know.
When I watched one ep now one ep then I - and I don't think I'm dumb - did not get who they were and what it was all about.
Therefore I'm sure a serial show is written mainly for fans who watch regularly.

jelgate
September 29th, 2015, 12:44 PM
I wouldn't call Stargate a serial. With the exception of SGU its not hard to watch an episode at random. I know that how I started watching the show.

Shows are never for just fans. Their is a difference between fans and people who watch a show almost every week.

Falcon Horus
September 29th, 2015, 02:06 PM
I wouldn't call Stargate a serial. With the exception of SGU its not hard to watch an episode at random. I know that how I started watching the show.

Same here.

No clue what was going on but watched all the same cause it was a thrilling adventure.


Shows are never for just fans. There is a difference between fans and people who watch a show almost every week.

Indeed.

I Am Not James Spader
October 1st, 2015, 06:25 AM
Think you're underestimating how much of the 43 minutes is used from the clips. As for a side story, besides being pointless adding in RDA would only add more money not save it like clip shows are designed for

True, there isn't enough time in the areas taken up by clips to get in a secondary plot.

However, since there isn't that much time taken by the clips then it shouldn't be that much effort to add dialogue instead. :D


Which was what was done in Season 8 when Jack WAS the base commander ("Zero Hour"). :)

That was the future though - I'm talking about the writers at the time of development. ;)


It's not the fans you should think of - they'll watch no matter what. It's the casual viewers that will go away and never come back.

TV-shows aren't just made for the fans who come back every week to watch it, and put everything else on hold. Otherwise Firefly would still be on the air. Casual viewers make up a whole bigger group and it's their attention you need to be able to keep.

In that case you are insulting everyone - the writers, the actors and everyone watching. :)

People are not stupid and are quite capable of following a story without having their hands held.

And yes, TV shows aren't just for the fan base, but the fan base is a part of the audience. One "dialogue heavy" episode out of all the action heavy episodes of the previous five years that is aimed more towards the fans is not going to kill the ratings. And any casual viewer unable or uninterested in such an episode probably can't follow anything else in the show either. Any viewer who "wouldn't come back" was going to leave eventually.

I Am Not James Spader
October 1st, 2015, 06:26 AM
I wouldn't call Stargate a serial. With the exception of SGU its not hard to watch an episode at random. I know that how I started watching the show.

Shows are never for just fans. Their is a difference between fans and people who watch a show almost every week.


And then there is the "casuals".

Falcon Horus
October 1st, 2015, 08:09 AM
In that case you are insulting everyone - the writers, the actors and everyone watching. :)

You really have no idea how entertainment works, do you?


People are not stupid and are quite capable of following a story without having their hands held.

Yes, they unfortunately are. Not all of them, but that's the nature of the thing.

jelgate
October 1st, 2015, 08:38 AM
You really have no idea how entertainment works, do you?





I do. And yes one bad show can kill the ratings. Its happened before. Its always interesting when episodes fans on message boards don't like gets high ratings

I Am Not James Spader
October 1st, 2015, 09:11 AM
You really have no idea how entertainment works, do you?



Yes, they unfortunately are. Not all of them, but that's the nature of the thing.

There is a big difference between "how entertainment works" and "how productions studios/networks" work.

And to your other statement - wow!!!!

Who exactly is the "not all" in that and how how are these elite different to the rest?

I Am Not James Spader
October 1st, 2015, 09:12 AM
I do. And yes one bad show can kill the ratings. Its happened before. Its always interesting when episodes fans on message boards gets high ratings

Sorry, I don't follow what you mean.

Anja
October 1st, 2015, 12:11 PM
You really have no idea how entertainment works, do you?



Yes, they unfortunately are. Not all of them, but that's the nature of the thing.

I think this is not the right way of reacting to a sensible post. Why are you doing this? Sometimes it seems as if a Goa'uld writes your posts. I am sure I'm not the only one with that opinion.

Falcon Horus
October 2nd, 2015, 02:11 AM
There is a big difference between "how entertainment works" and "how productions studios/networks" work.

You're right. I made a mistake in mixing the two up.

Nevertheless, the fact remains that you can't capture an audience with dialogue alone.


Who exactly is the "not all" in that and how how are these elite different to the rest?

Viewers are fickle. You have those that flip through channels for a living, and have no patience whatsoever. There are those who watch when they have time and probably won't waste there time on 42 minutes of dialogue unless it's a talkshow. Then there are the fans who will watch the show - whether they will appreciate 42 minutes of dialogue is another matter (you obviously do, I don't).

And then there are those who might watch a show, and have their choice led by reviews, or someone telling them to watch a certain show, or follow the herd.

That's what I meant in my previous comment...


I think this is not the right way of reacting to a sensible post. Why are you doing this? Sometimes it seems as if a Goa'uld writes your posts. I am sure I'm not the only one with that opinion.

Excuse me?!? :confused:

Did you miss the part where it says discussion board. We don't have to agree with one another, and if I hurt Not James' feelings in any way, I apologize to him.

By the way, I've been called many things already on the board, but Goa'uld really is the first time. Must be the Falcon Horus callsign. Though in the show it was Horus-The-Elder, Heru'ur.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 2nd, 2015, 06:24 AM
Sorry, I don't follow what you mean.

I'm not Jelgate, but I think he's saying that sometimes episodes fans don't like get high ratings overall, which is interesting.

(I think he also edited that post).

Seaboe

jelgate
October 2nd, 2015, 08:07 AM
I'm not Jelgate, but I think he's saying that sometimes episodes fans don't like get high ratings overall, which is interesting.

(I think he also edited that post).

Seaboe

Stupid autocorrect

It happens and proves one of the most important fandom rule that we are a minority. A lot of fans hated BrainStorm and it was one of the higher rates shows for SGA S5

Falcon Horus
October 2nd, 2015, 11:10 AM
A lot of fans hated BrainStorm and it was one of the higher rates shows for SGA S5

And I'm still trying to wrap my brains around that one... :confused:

jelgate
October 2nd, 2015, 12:30 PM
Their are several reasons. A big reason is most people who watch TV don't have obsessive irrational hate for characters. Most don't have emotional attachments to characters

Falcon Horus
October 2nd, 2015, 01:24 PM
Their are several reasons. A big reason is most people who watch TV don't have obsessive irrational hate for characters. Most don't have emotional attachments to characters

Fandom would be so dull without it. :p

jelgate
October 2nd, 2015, 02:27 PM
True but even the viewers who watch every week don't put the amount of love or hate to characters like some fans do. That mentality is a big factor (among others) why fans and viewers ideas don't always line up

Falcon Horus
October 3rd, 2015, 05:06 AM
Damn, I hate it when you're right. You are truly the master.

*bows to the might of Jelgate*

Nirude
June 16th, 2016, 01:15 PM
One of my favorite episodes, bar none.
Old post, but that seems rather excessive for a clip episode? :P Other than the ending and Kinsey story, it's rather poor. The representatives from England, China and France are also very annoying. Should of at least brought in some good actors if the script wants them to do a wtf face everytime an alien ship is mentioned. ALIENZ OMGZZ, TWO ALIENZ? OMGZ.

Anja
June 17th, 2016, 01:22 AM
I think they were just the way they were meant to be - I liked them and the ep.

Falcon Horus
December 2nd, 2018, 08:55 AM
At some point, I probably thought this was a fine episode but it has little rewatch values, especially when you're in the process of doing a rewatch.

I didn't find it particurlarly interesting and admit to putting it on pause halfway through cause I was bored.

The only redeeming quality is Supreme Commander Thor dropping by and telling Kinsey off.

How would you rate SG-1's "Disclosure?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

Seaboe Muffinchucker
December 3rd, 2018, 08:00 AM
I think, as clip episodes go, they did their best with what they had. That said, I don't care that much for it myself.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
December 19th, 2018, 02:34 PM
3-episode quiz: Metamorphosis, Disclosure & Forsaken (https://goo.gl/forms/xHc0qwPR7KdvrbwB2)

Jigsaw puzzle: Disclosure (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=9MJGOK1C)

Who Knows
December 19th, 2018, 04:39 PM
10.03. I was starting to like you, but after all that black I am not too sure now http://smilies.sofrayt.com/^/aiw/fie.gif

Falcon Horus
December 20th, 2018, 07:31 AM
10.03. I was starting to like you, but after all that black I am not too sure now http://smilies.sofrayt.com/^/aiw/fie.gif

I know... I'm sorry... Considered not using it, then forgot and jigsaw'd it anyway.

Who Knows
December 20th, 2018, 03:33 PM
It is OK FH, I am only joking. Just glad the jigsaws are back. http://i.imgur.com/LKr9yHW.jpg

Falcon Horus
December 21st, 2018, 01:13 AM
It is OK FH, I am only joking. Just glad the jigsaws are back. http://i.imgur.com/LKr9yHW.jpg

No, it's okay... the feedback is good so I can't keep that in mind for future jigsaws. :) After all, many more to come. :)

Chaka-Z0
December 21st, 2018, 09:31 AM
Well well, I just tried the quiz and scored a horrible 7/15 :(

I just failed SG class. But I haven't seen these epi in a while so I went by memory! ... and... I suck ! lol

Falcon Horus
December 21st, 2018, 10:01 AM
Well, you didn't flunk out entirely. :p

hedwig
December 21st, 2018, 11:34 AM
9:56

Chaka-Z0
December 21st, 2018, 11:55 AM
10:58 - Almost 3 minutes wasted looking for Hammond's bald forehead, which was behind my puzzle for some obscure reasons

Falcon Horus
December 22nd, 2018, 02:15 AM
Ah yes... loosing track of pieces happens a lot here too.

jelgate
December 22nd, 2018, 01:31 PM
I quite like this episode. I'm not anti clip.shows if the story behind clips is compelling. This clip show applies with the political power struggle between Hammond and Kinsey. I think I sympathize with the Chinese ambassador. I wouldnt trust our word either. It's a good

jelgate
December 22nd, 2018, 06:34 PM
5 minutes 56 seconds.

Hammond's face for me actually helped

BethHG
January 8th, 2019, 02:27 PM
9:30

Falcon Horus
January 27th, 2019, 07:47 AM
7:07

I hate myself for all the black... what was I thinking?

jelgate
January 27th, 2019, 07:55 AM
You were thinking of beating the master. You failed

Falcon Horus
January 27th, 2019, 09:37 AM
You were thinking of beating the master. You failed

Spectacurlarly I might add.