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LOKI LOKI
March 17th, 2006, 09:34 AM
We know the ancients built repositories of all their knowledge and that Atlantis has a massive database on it. Whats the general consensus regarding the information in the two does Atlantis contain all the information stored in a repository. I assume yes because the repositories are quite small and Atlantis is huge in which case we should have a copy of the information in the ancient repository. (I assume by now we have copied and downloaded all the information from Atlantis's main computer database even if its a few hard drives worth at a time taken back with the Daedalus)

theStormWeaver
March 17th, 2006, 09:51 AM
Some believe that the MW Ancients were more advanced then the Lanteans. Thus the Ancient repository would have more information. Also, the Ancient repository does more than just download the info, it turns you into an Ancient.

Although Atlantis is huge, I can guarentee there are hundreds of instances of the database in the city. Plus thousands of rooms, lifesupport, communications, artificial gravity(Atlantis is a ship after all), and countless other systems.

deadman
March 17th, 2006, 10:00 AM
Some believe that the MW Ancients were more advanced then the Lanteans. Thus the Ancient repository would have more information. Also, the Ancient repository does more than just download the info, it turns you into an Ancient.

Although Atlantis is huge, I can guarentee there are hundreds of instances of the database in the city. Plus thousands of rooms, lifesupport, communications, artificial gravity(Atlantis is a ship after all), and countless other systems.
not likely MW and Lanteans aren't the same

Steve_the_Wraith
March 17th, 2006, 12:35 PM
Atlantis base the city contains a massive database of all Ancient knowledge, unfortunately its all written in Ancient and the database is sooo huge its hard to find exactly what your looking for

The MW repositories are different - they download all the ancient knowledge into your head and begins to change your brain chemistry (resulting in Ancient-like powers), however human brains aren't advanced enough to handle the process and it kills them


About the Ancients in Pegasus (Lantians) being different from the Ancients in the MW, its probably a load of bull - the Ancients of the MW left the MW on Atlantis and became the Lantians, then 10,000 years ago the Lantians returned to the MW.

As far as we know all the Ancients except those who escaped on Atlantis either wiped out or ascended during the plague. Infact most Ancient structures found in the MW predate the plague

WraithWarrior
March 17th, 2006, 04:11 PM
We know the ancients built repositories of all their knowledge and that Atlantis has a massive database on it. Whats the general consensus regarding the information in the two does Atlantis contain all the information stored in a repository. I assume yes because the repositories are quite small and Atlantis is huge in which case we should have a copy of the information in the ancient repository. (I assume by now we have copied and downloaded all the information from Atlantis's main computer database even if its a few hard drives worth at a time taken back with the Daedalus)

We are no where near finished copying all the data from Atlantis and when we do finally get all the info, we then have to study it, which will take even longer. Even the Asgard have not completed study of most of it, they have only just scratched the surface

gkyun
March 17th, 2006, 04:30 PM
Since the Ancients were so "advanced", shouldn't they have thought of having any instuctions on how to understand/study the knowledge stored inside those things?

Harekin
March 17th, 2006, 05:03 PM
No they didnt intentionally leave it for others to use!

LiquidBlue
March 17th, 2006, 05:30 PM
We are no where near finished copying all the data from Atlantis and when we do finally get all the info, we then have to study it, which will take even longer. Even the Asgard have not completed study of most of it, they have only just scratched the surface

I think you are confusing the issue. The Asgard have not made any comments regarding their ability to use or understand the Ancient database found in Atlantis. The did say that they had recovered a couple of the "head sucking" repositories and that they had barely scratched the surface of the information contained therein. We must recogize the fundamental difference between the Atlantis database and the MW repositories. Perhaps the most fundamental difference is that the Atlantis database is machine accessible and presumably indexed, the milky way repositories on the other hand do not seem to provision ay access other than the mental link, we have been given no clue as to the internal representation of the repository's information, no given to understand how one might be able to interpret the information.

Perhaps the greatest difference is in their purpose. Presumably, the Atlantis database represents the working knowledge of the inhabitants of the ancient city, and what ever historical and scientific data they wished to archive.

On the other hand we do not know the purpose of the MW repositories. We can easily imagine that they were placed by the plaque afflcited ancients to aid future races. Or perhaps they were used to in the actual ascension process, giving the Ancients the knowledge they needed to ascend. Perhaps they even served a different purpose. We have seen that dispite their great knowledge, ascended being are not omniscient. We even saw that Anubis, despite his ascended knowledge, desired possesion of a repository. Therefore the respositories may fulfill a function that we do not understand.

To return to the topic. The MW repositories seem to be more powerful, at least they have the power to force understanding and ability upon a user, but at the same time they are pretty much useless to use. On the other hand the Atlantis database is accessible. I could not say whether one contains information the other does not.

Harekin
March 17th, 2006, 05:36 PM
The repositories seem so good because think about it like this. If you have all that knowledge in your head...you can construct whatever you want because if you know it all then you understand it. You cant just tell the database what your problem is and it will build a solution. Like Jack knew how to build the disruptor because he had a major understanding of exactly what he needed to build.

WraithWarrior
March 18th, 2006, 03:38 AM
I think you are confusing the issue. The Asgard have not made any comments regarding their ability to use or understand the Ancient database found in Atlantis. The did say that they had recovered a couple of the "head sucking" repositories and that they had barely scratched the surface of the information contained therein. We must recogize the fundamental difference between the Atlantis database and the MW repositories. Perhaps the most fundamental difference is that the Atlantis database is machine accessible and presumably indexed, the milky way repositories on the other hand do not seem to provision ay access other than the mental link, we have been given no clue as to the internal representation of the repository's information, no given to understand how one might be able to interpret the information.

Perhaps the greatest difference is in their purpose. Presumably, the Atlantis database represents the working knowledge of the inhabitants of the ancient city, and what ever historical and scientific data they wished to archive.

On the other hand we do not know the purpose of the MW repositories. We can easily imagine that they were placed by the plaque afflcited ancients to aid future races. Or perhaps they were used to in the actual ascension process, giving the Ancients the knowledge they needed to ascend. Perhaps they even served a different purpose. We have seen that dispite their great knowledge, ascended being are not omniscient. We even saw that Anubis, despite his ascended knowledge, desired possesion of a repository. Therefore the respositories may fulfill a function that we do not understand.

To return to the topic. The MW repositories seem to be more powerful, at least they have the power to force understanding and ability upon a user, but at the same time they are pretty much useless to use. On the other hand the Atlantis database is accessible. I could not say whether one contains information the other does not.

Thta is what I meant about the Asgard barely scratching the surface, from the repositories. The repositories are usless for us to use but we dont know whether it would be for the Nox or the Tollan, etc. and as for the Nox I think they have actually used a repository before seeing as they know what they know and their tech is very similar to that of the ancients.

TjomasC
March 18th, 2006, 04:33 AM
I think that the two main "repositories" of information, the head grabber and the Atlantis database do serve different purposes, but I think probably contain much of the same information. The difference is how they go about it. I think that the head grabbers are there to give a person an in depth view and understanding of all the information thats in it, mostly I think, to stop somone like the Go'uld from ever using the information. It didn't just give you the information, it gave you the experience to use it wisely.

The Atlantis database on the other hand, was in an Ancient city, for use by the Ancients, and so didn't have any of those safeguards. I bet they felt that they where safe there.

I wonder though if they planted any of those head grabbers in the Pegasus galaxy, or if they thought it was to risky once the wraith appeared.

WraithWarrior
March 18th, 2006, 04:38 AM
I think that the two main "repositories" of information, the head grabber and the Atlantis database do serve different purposes, but I think probably contain much of the same information. The difference is how they go about it. I think that the head grabbers are there to give a person an in depth view and understanding of all the information thats in it, mostly I think, to stop somone like the Go'uld from ever using the information. It didn't just give you the information, it gave you the experience to use it wisely.

The Atlantis database on the other hand, was in an Ancient city, for use by the Ancients, and so didn't have any of those safeguards. I bet they felt that they where safe there.

I wonder though if they planted any of those head grabbers in the Pegasus galaxy, or if they thought it was to risky once the wraith appeared.

Maybe they never needed to because the meeting place of the four great races was in the MW and so that seems like the best place to put those and as for a safeguard against the Gou'ald, I donbt think so seeing as Anubis was after it and obviously knew he could use it.

Karec
March 18th, 2006, 04:47 AM
Since the Ancients were so "advanced", shouldn't they have thought of having any instuctions on how to understand/study the knowledge stored inside those things?

They did. The MW reposetory's are the last anceint made technology(Most likly)

They we're made to pass on the knowleage of a dieng race.
Like the room said "The place of our lagacy". Why whould a race make something like that unless they know their gonna die? The returners from pegasus made those things. They look like the last technology the alterans made meaning its the newest and most likly made by the lanteans(It looks like the orlin cannon).

Atlantis may hold just as much knowleage but its not made like a reposetory.

LOKI LOKI
March 18th, 2006, 07:33 AM
When they are considering destroying atlantis they say we could take about 9% of the database on the hard drives they had so i think taking a copy for studying and safekeeping in the MW galaxy should have been done by now

Also yes the repositories put it all in ur head but i think its our brains that reorganise it into useful stuff sub consciously as they cant handle the information. If it happened to everyone then the asgard could have used the repositories repeatedly as they have the ability to take the info back out so they could think hmmm we have a prpoblem stick their head in solve it and then take the database back out again.

WraithWarrior
March 18th, 2006, 07:41 AM
^They probably have started to download/copy some of the database onto the hard drives and take it to the MW now that the Deadulus is making return trips to Atlantis and if not they should have done, I mean TB hard drives are out now and although they still wont hold much compared to the Ancient database, they will hold more than GB hard drives and if the Deadulus takes 100 TB hard drives to Atlantis everytime it goes and takes 100 back to the MW then we could have hundreds of scientists studying it

Steve_the_Wraith
March 18th, 2006, 10:29 AM
^They probably have started to download/copy some of the database onto the hard drives and take it to the MW now that the Deadulus is making return trips to Atlantis and if not they should have done, I mean TB hard drives are out now and although they still wont hold much compared to the Ancient database, they will hold more than GB hard drives and if the Deadulus takes 100 TB hard drives to Atlantis everytime it goes and takes 100 back to the MW then we could have hundreds of scientists studying it
They have. In "Avalon" and "Prototype" SG-1 refer to information from the database sent back by Atlantis

WraithWarrior
March 18th, 2006, 05:10 PM
They have. In "Avalon" and "Prototype" SG-1 refer to information from the database sent back by Atlantis

Kool. There I go ago again not payin attention to that stuff :( *slaps self*

Ludofjn
March 18th, 2006, 05:33 PM
atlantis was an ANCIENT occupied city the ones in the milkyway were a marker to show they actually existed

GateR_mk
April 2nd, 2006, 03:12 AM
We know the ancients built repositories of all their knowledge and that Atlantis has a massive database on it. Whats the general consensus regarding the information in the two does Atlantis contain all the information stored in a repository. I assume yes because the repositories are quite small and Atlantis is huge in which case we should have a copy of the information in the ancient repository. (I assume by now we have copied and downloaded all the information from Atlantis's main computer database even if its a few hard drives worth at a time taken back with the Daedalus)

You assume too much..
Your first assumption deals with the storage capacities of the repositories and Atlantis itself. We don't know the totality of the contents of either database so its ridiculus to assume that they have the same contents.

Second Assumption: We don't know the meathod of storing either Ancient Database, so you cannot say that their size dictiates thier storage capacity.

Third Assumption: The Expediton was able to completely copy the entire ancient database. It has been confirmed that only parts of the database were transfered. It would take a LOT of hard drives because the database is HUGE.

Remember, when you assume, you make an a$$ of u and me

Artha O'neill
April 2nd, 2006, 05:34 PM
We know the ancients built repositories of all their knowledge and that Atlantis has a massive database on it. Whats the general consensus regarding the information in the two does Atlantis contain all the information stored in a repository. I assume yes because the repositories are quite small and Atlantis is huge in which case we should have a copy of the information in the ancient repository. (I assume by now we have copied and downloaded all the information from Atlantis's main computer database even if its a few hard drives worth at a time taken back with the Daedalus)

Well, I believe that the repository(ies) were for inhabitants of the MW, to one day combat advarsaries of the Altera.

Their obvioslsy, post Atlantis, in design.:daniel:

Jarnin
April 3rd, 2006, 01:05 AM
I think the repositories might be a way for an ancient to back up their memories, sort of like how the Asgard back up themselves and transfer that into new cloned bodies.

I mean, ascension sounds like a wad of fun, but apparently there have been many people who ascended and had problems with the whole "non-interference" rule. Oma, Orlin, Athar, Daniel, Merlin, etc...

Perhaps some decided they needed a back-up plan in case ascension wasn't all it was cracked up to be; afterall, if you descend with intentions of interferring in mortal affairs, the other ascended beings erase your memories and, sometimes, leave you naked lying in a field.
So, in order to get around the ascended rules, some ancient(s) made a backup of their memories before they ascended, that way, if things turned out different than expected, they could descend and carry on with all their knowledge up to the point that they ascended.

thomashortoncc
April 3rd, 2006, 01:38 AM
Some believe that the MW Ancients were more advanced then the Lanteans. Thus the Ancient repository would have more information. Also, the Ancient repository does more than just download the info, it turns you into an Ancient.

Although Atlantis is huge, I can guarentee there are hundreds of instances of the database in the city. Plus thousands of rooms, lifesupport, communications, artificial gravity(Atlantis is a ship after all), and countless other systems.

I do believe this is the only way of explaining the blatant inconsistencies between the two series of Stargate, which is annoying because I really wished they were the same. I.e. differences in design and use of technology, as well as obvious differences in all lantians seen in Atlantis and behaviour exhibited by RDA and Ayiana. I just think they are one evolution of humanity (created by the weapon on Dha'kara) using the knowledge left by the former after they were wiped out for not converting to origin. It would explain why the alterans who attempted to create a time travelling device, which didn’t work during the time of the plague and why we have seen a puddle jumper with the technology of lantian design. I think the alterans were more advanced in certain areas (i.e. more culturally, physically and mentally advanced) the lantians who used alteran technology being more advanced technologically speaking. Lantains being more like us to the point of not being as mentally developed as alterans were and have to use artificial ascension

Jarnin
April 3rd, 2006, 06:16 AM
There were three civilizations of ancients, not two.

1. Altera - This group includes all the ancients that lived before the plague.

2. Lantian - This group includes all the ancients that survived the plague and eventually moved to Pegasus.

3. Avalonian? - This group includes all the ancients that returned to Earth from Atlantis following the Lantian-Wraith war.

It was the last group that made the repositories in the Milky Way. Also, the repositories, I think, hold an ancients memories, which is why they're so hard to decipher, and dangerous to download into your noggin.

thomashortoncc
April 3rd, 2006, 06:30 AM
Hmm i dont think the remains of the ancients could be called a seperate civilization - it was however this period of time that those ancients more than likely formed the great alliance. i still stand by the fact that Repositories match the tech used in the gate weapon, the weapon on Dha'kara and the the most important i think for evidence of the age of the ancients, the failed time travelling device from "Window of Opportunity". this definately came before the destruction of the Alteran race by the plague. I do think the Repositories however were used for consciencous thou cool idea

carcatcher
April 3rd, 2006, 09:43 AM
I think that jarnin is right on the basis that the Ancient civilization spanned many MILLIONS of years, so it is reasonable to belive that they devoloped into 3 or more distinct societies. In ten thousand years alone on our planet, how many countries and kingdoms have rose to power and fell again, each one unique, but all have been human in construction with differnt designs and ideas. It is not that hard to understand how over a very large time period, everything changes, even planets.

Welsh_Guy
April 3rd, 2006, 10:15 AM
It does make u wonder what the ancients did after they came back to the MW Galaxy after leaving Atlantis & whether they built anymore technology or left a copy of the database like with the Ancient repository.

Exiled Master
April 3rd, 2006, 04:47 PM
There probably is a repository in Atlantis, but only in a Siege-like situation should it come into play.

Harekin
April 3rd, 2006, 07:09 PM
Id say the repositories are left around so the humans they spawned with the Dakara device could learn to advance...when we first saw the Repositories they were accompanied by the message "We are the Ancients, this is our legacy".