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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 614</FONT>
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Colonel O'Neill is charged with the murder of a politician, and the rest of the team must uncover a conspiracy to clear his name.

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bcmilco
June 12th, 2004, 06:05 PM
I liked the way they tied in old technology (s3 Foothold) with the on going NID/Kinsey arc.

I also liked the way the ending played out, and I'm not usually one for flashbacks.

I just love to hate that smarmy Kinsey too especially at the end I just wanted to deck him when he said "You just won me the Whitehouse". ;)

omnian
June 13th, 2004, 01:06 AM
I hadn't watched this episode until after I'd watched Season 7 so I was really wondering how Kinsey was there when he got shot in this episode :)

The image-inducer thingys were an unexpected twist too! I never thought they'd make a comeback......

lol, Teal'c interrogating the person who sold off the tech was priceless. I was laughing all throughout that scene. The expression on Teal'c's face is just too funny for some reason :p

Anubis
June 13th, 2004, 01:21 AM
This episode was great. And I loved the title

Rhydderch Hael
June 13th, 2004, 01:50 AM
Was holographic Jack wearing the same clothes he had on when mimicked by the machine in "Foothold"?

Selmak
July 11th, 2004, 07:57 AM
That Kinsey just won't die.

Anubis
July 11th, 2004, 07:58 AM
You know I think you might be right. They might be the same clothes

marcus
July 13th, 2004, 09:21 PM
I enjoyed this episode. Good mix of earth politics and a continuation from a previous episode.

I laughed out loud when out of nowhere Teal'c brutally clothes-lined that scientist he and Jonas were pursuing and then his description of events to Gen Hammond back at the base.

I must admit I was glad when I thought Kinsey was dead. I dont like the idea of him becoming President. I havent seen season 7 but I suspect he will help SG1 out sometime in the future, kind of like Maybourne's 180 from bad to bad but helpful.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 08:02 PM
I like that bad but helpful thing with Maybourne.

SeaBee
September 17th, 2004, 01:26 PM
Was holographic Jack wearing the same clothes he had on when mimicked by the machine in "Foothold"?

They should be, as the alien "photocopier" duplicated exactly what was passed through it. This should, however, mean that the guy Teal'c flattened should have been wearing his uniform, unless he was dressed in civvies when he was copied.

SecretArt
October 9th, 2004, 06:02 AM
They should be, as the alien "photocopier" duplicated exactly what was passed through it. This should, however, mean that the guy Teal'c flattened should have been wearing his uniform, unless he was dressed in civvies when he was copied.

Haven't seen foothold in a while so i may be mistaken, but wasn't Jack in BDU's when he was jabbed by alien Janet? Which means that it's possible that the dupilcated images weren't exactly of the clothes the person was wearing (it may have been what they were thinking about wearing or something)

SeaBee
November 8th, 2004, 04:08 AM
I've just re-watched "footholder", and it does seem that the copies are wearing the same uniform as the people replicated and hanging.

LMichelle
November 30th, 2004, 12:54 PM
Okay, despite how much Jack hates Kinsey he's not going to kill him. So I knew it had to be a double of Jack or it was Jack under the influence of some alien technology. It took them the whole ep to prove this. Please. :rolleyes:

Next episode, people. :)

emily_reich
November 30th, 2004, 01:01 PM
I've just re-watched "footholder", and it does seem that the copies are wearing the same uniform as the people replicated and hanging.

not davis... even the evil davises in both eps were wearing different stuff! :D
EDIT: sorry, i misread and thought you were talking about the two episodes, between which basically none of the doubles are dressed the same... but as for foothold itself, they never DO show daniel hanging, but i know he wasn't wearing that plaid shirt in the infirmary :D

oh well, overall it worked, but i do kinda wish they would be more consistent with the clothes...

still, both foothold and smoke and mirrors are among my faves (and foothold IS a fave) for their respective seasons :) (see my sig and i think you'll understand why :D :D :D)

Yu`
February 8th, 2005, 07:57 PM
Really good episode, I forgot all about the mimic technology.

Kinsey lived though :(

Easter Lily
February 23rd, 2005, 07:48 PM
I like the political stuff generally and I think Stargate does a reasonable job highlighting the political realities of such an eventuality... if everything else in our world is tainted by politics to some degree, it is inevitable that the Stargate programme would be similarly affected. Yup, I like the cloak and dagger stuff and this episode has a lot of cloaking and daggery stuff. ;)

Kinsey... well, who doesn't want a piece of that guy... he's the archetypal political villan... smarmy and condescending. No, I didn't think we would be rid of him that easily... but not to worry, he gets his comeuppence in the nicest piece of Stargate devised poetic justice in Season 8.

Agent Barret... hot stuff... played by Peter Flemming... has some nice moments there with Carter... So he's the pleasant face to the NID... well, he certainly has a face to drool over anyway... Speaking of nice looking men, Maj Davis also makes an appearance... him I also like... must be kinda fun playing the good and bad guy in the same episode.

Certainly felt like cheering when Carter made her appearance and promptly informed the NID conspirators that "General Hammond sends his regards"... and the man in black comes bursting through the door... Ha, it certainly felt good to see them get a taste of their own medicine.

The interrogation or non-interrogation (?) scene between Teal'c and Langham is priceless... how does Christopher Judge do it? The king of deadpan, I'm sure. :D

All in all, a very good episode with Stargate in full thriller mode.

kelmah
February 28th, 2005, 12:19 PM
I liked this ep

I kinda wished Kinsey had truly bought the farm, though

Beatrice Otter
February 28th, 2005, 11:45 PM
Okay, despite how much Jack hates Kinsey he's not going to kill him. So I knew it had to be a double of Jack or it was Jack under the influence of some alien technology. It took them the whole ep to prove this. Please. :rolleyes:

Next episode, people. :)
If you put it that way, it is predictable. But then, so are almost all SG eps. They meet an alien baddie, they fight it, they succeed. We know they're all going to survive (or if we don't, we know well in advance).

emily_reich
March 1st, 2005, 02:38 AM
I like the political stuff generally and I think Stargate does a reasonable job highlighting the political realities of such an eventuality... if everything else in our world is tainted by politics to some degree, it is inevitable that the Stargate programme would be similarly affected. Yup, I like the cloak and dagger stuff and this episode has a lot of cloaking and daggery stuff. ;)

Kinsey... well, who doesn't want a piece of that guy... he's the archetypal political villan... smarmy and condescending. No, I didn't think we would be rid of him that easily... but not to worry, he gets his comeuppence in the nicest piece of Stargate devised poetic justice in Season 8.

Agent Barret... hot stuff... played by Peter Flemming... has some nice moments there with Carter... So he's the pleasant face to the NID... well, he certainly has a face to drool over anyway... Speaking of nice looking men, Maj Davis also makes an appearance... him I also like... must be kinda fun playing the good and bad guy in the same episode.

Certainly felt like cheering when Carter made her appearance and promptly informed the NID conspirators that "General Hammond sends his regards"... and the man in black comes bursting through the door... Ha, it certainly felt good to see them get a taste of their own medicine.

The interrogation or non-interrogation (?) scene between Teal'c and Langham is priceless... how does Christopher Judge do it? The king of deadpan, I'm sure. :D

All in all, a very good episode with Stargate in full thriller mode.


so what did we learn in smoke and mirrors: kinsey really is evil, agent barret/peter flemming is very cute, major davis is adorable and can be an awesome baddie if he wants to be, carter can be quite evil to the bad guys, and christopher judge is the king of deadpan :D

yep, i'd say it was a worthwhile episode ;) :p

it's one of my faves of season 6, alongside descent, the changeling, prophecy, and the other guys :D

hidden_envy
April 3rd, 2005, 03:49 AM
this was a good episode even if i did keep get confused...but it all made sence at the end!plus there was evil major hottie... :D

SilverRider
April 4th, 2005, 10:13 PM
this was a good episode even if i did keep get confused...but it all made sence at the end!plus there was evil major hottie... :D

I know....there's never enough of evil Davis.... :D :D

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
April 10th, 2005, 06:06 PM
i really liked this one episode... even had me thinking there was no way that Jack could not be guilty...

Chaka's_Mum
April 25th, 2005, 04:16 AM
I would like, if I may, to stand up for the slimy old fart (is there an element of contradiction there? Hmmm). I appreciate that there are people out there who would have been delighted if Kinsey had indeed snuffed it (hey, even his co-conspirators appear to want him dead!), but, personally, I'm rather glad he didn't.

If there was ever someone who personified the adjective 'Smarmy', it's 'Ole Bob' Kinsey. He's the archetypal grasping, self-interested politician, and that in itself is enough to make me want him to stay - just think of the 'boo-hiss' value he has!

On top of that, there has never been a time that his scheming hasn't been ultimately set back or even plain thwarted by something or someone at some stage - and that's such a satisfying thing to watch. But he's the proverbial Bad Penny - he just keeps on turning up. There's that old Jaffa saying: Cream rises to the top; so does scum. Okay, maybe it's not a Jaffa saying, but you get my point.

Now, at long last, it looks like he's finally managed to trump Jack for the first time ever - and you can see he's savouring the moment. But - and this is a major but - he's a baddie. He's heading for the White House (at least that seems to be the likely outcome of all this) and that's one heck of a rise. Given that he is a baddie, he will be subject to the 'innate justice in TV Show' rule, and sooner or later he's going to take a fall - I can't believe for a moment that he won't. The higher he rises before the rule kicks in and whups his butt, the more enjoyable and satisfyingly messy his fall will be. Who would want to miss that?

Now that's schadenfreude! :D

Beatrice Otter
April 25th, 2005, 10:43 AM
I would like, if I may, to stand up for the slimy old fart (is there an element of contradiction there? Hmmm). I appreciate that there are people out there who would have been delighted if Kinsey had indeed snuffed it (hey, even his co-conspirators appear to want him dead!), but, personally, I'm rather glad he didn't.

If there was ever someone who personified the adjective 'Smarmy', it's 'Ole Bob' Kinsey. He's the archetypal grasping, self-interested politician, and that in itself is enough to make me want him to stay - just think of the 'boo-hiss' value he has!

On top of that, there has never been a time that his scheming hasn't been ultimately set back or even plain thwarted by something or someone at some stage - and that's such a satisfying thing to watch. But he's the proverbial Bad Penny - he just keeps on turning up. There's that old Jaffa saying: Cream rises to the top; so does scum. Okay, maybe it's not a Jaffa saying, but you get my point.

Now, at long last, it looks like he's finally managed to trump Jack for the first time ever - and you can see he's savouring the moment. But - and this is a major but - he's a baddie. He's heading for the White House (at least that seems to be the likely outcome of all this) and that's one heck of a rise. Given that he is a baddie, he will be subject to the 'innate justice in TV Show' rule, and sooner or later he's going to take a fall - I can't believe for a moment that he won't. The higher he rises before the rule kicks in and whups his butt, the more enjoyable and satisfyingly messy his fall will be. Who would want to miss that?

Now that's schadenfreude! :D
You haven't seen the end of season 7 yet, have you? I think you're gonna love it! (Can I say that without spoiler space?)

Kinsey's a great character. Every show needs the Internal Adversary. True, there's the Rogue NID (which later becomes the Trust), but they're kinda faceless. Kinsey's a guy you just love to hate! (Simmons is dead, now, and Maybourne isn't really much of a bad guy any more--Kinsey's all that's left.)

emily_reich
April 26th, 2005, 02:51 AM
hehe... well ok, allow me to admit something here :p :o

the only reason i wish the NID guy had killed kinsey (and not as jack... only as major davis) is because then davis would have blamed for it, they wouldn't have caught the bad guy, and we could have gotten some juicy davis whump!! :D :D *iz hopeless :o*

Chaka's_Mum
April 26th, 2005, 03:50 AM
You haven't seen the end of season 7 yet, have you? I think you're gonna love it! (Can I say that without spoiler space?)

Actually, I have (and I've seen Season 8, too!) - and I certainly did love it! I'm just still trying to adjust to what I can post without spoiling and what I shouldn't. I wasn't sure how far I could go without hinting at things that those less fortunate than us haven't seen yet, and I wasn't sure if using spoiler tags in this case would just give away that there's more Kinsey to come - and he's going to get his comeuppance big time, particularly with that symbiote business in Season 8. Major Ouch!

Kinsey's an unprincipled, spineless, conniving worm. Gawd bless 'im.

QuiGonJohn
June 13th, 2005, 06:18 AM
I laughed out loud when out of nowhere Teal'c brutally clothes-lined that scientist he and Jonas were pursuing and then his description of events to Gen Hammond back at the base.

That was great!

Another episode with minimal Jack actually being in the scenes, even though the story was centered around Jack.

I was pretty sure Jack didn't do it. Though I thought maybe he did shoot and it was some kind of covert plan to look like Kinsey had been killed. Didn't think they were going to use the foothold device, nice how they did.

Chaka's_Mum
June 14th, 2005, 11:13 PM
It was indeed a 'tea-slopper' moment. Jack? our Jack? assassinating someone? Besides, what kind of black-ops expert carries out an assassination without taking any measures to disguise his identity given the prevalence of CCTV these days? Jack O'Neill may not be the sharpest blade in the kitchen cupboard, but he's not stupid either.

Unless, of course, someone's setting him up...*ding!* on comes the little lightbulb over the head. Aha!

Reviving the Foothold Aliens' devices was a neat idea. None of us could possibly have countenanced the idea that Jack would have developed such an outright hatred of Kinsey that he'd go introduce the old git to the business end of a high-powered rifle, but how did they pull off the 'fake' Jack? Naturally, I'd completely forgotten about the devices - so it never occurred to me that they'd be the culprits. I liked that.

I wonder what they would have done if they hadn't retrieved the device that had Jack's image on it. It wouldn't have been quite as convincing if it had been Daniel!

golfbooy
June 28th, 2005, 08:16 PM
Encourged by another thread, here's my totally engrossing, can't-be-missed "analysis" of Smoke and Mirrors.

To begin, a "neighbor" witnessed duplicate O'neill dumping the murder weapon in the lake right behind his own cabin. Right, sure. We've been told repeatedly throughout the show's history that Jack likes his cabin for its solitude, because its miles away from anyone or anywhere. Yet on this night, it just so happens a "neighbor" is watching the lake. This evidence his further predicated on the premise that Jack is dumb enough to dump the weapon on his own property. As if that's not asinine enough, we're supposed to believe that the FBI, President, military, etc., are so obtuse that they believe that the special ops trained colonel, leader of the planet's foremost secret team, is dumb enough to do such a thing. But OK, whatever. I was sure the story could only get better.

Yet, for an unknown, and apparently too unimportant to let us in on reason, Carter goes by herself to DC to visit "an old acquaintance". Who is this mystery man from her past, who can help free Jack? Much to my surprise, it's that ne'er-do-well, all-around nice guy (not that we know any of this about him yet) Agent Malcom Barrett, NID. Wait, wait, wait, who the hell is this guy? We've never met him before. Oh, hang on, he's the NID loser who tied Sam and Daniel up in Wormhole X-treme for no apparent reason whatsoever. I'll bet he developed his crush on Carter right then and there. Anyway, I'm sure he's ready and willing to vindicate O'neill, especially after he let those crafty aliens escape in Wormhle X-treme. But OK, whatever, he's gonna help.

And how's he going to aid Carter? Well, he can't say. You see, he's so important, so dangerous to the rogue NID that his office is bugged. Isn't that just the coolest. But, if she'll meet him in the park later, he'll tell her how he can help. OK, let's meet. And as it turns out, Agent Malcolm Barrett, NID, being the only truly honest, only trustworthy agent in the entire organization, just so happens to be on a "super-secret", "I shouldn't even be telling you this" mission to take down the rogue elements at NID. At this point my face is permanently cringed, as he continues to expound upon his visits to the White House, his lone man mission against the cancer that continues to elude all other investigators. OK, you're on a super-secret mission from the President. Whatever. What's next.

Well, Agent Malcolm Barrett, NID, just so happens to know the exact black-market location where the murder weapon was purchased. Lucky him, maybe this guy is good. Of course, unscrupulous as he is, the dealer is more than happy to squeal in exchange for his continuing to look the other way. And, it just so happens that the soon-to-be outed murderer handled another weapon while he was there. Savvy. You know, cause he wasn't planning to do anything illegal that might give others cause to identify him. He just wanted to murder a famous politico or some such. Whatever, OK. I can't wait to see where this goes now.

To my surprise, none of the above even comes close to being the ultimate contrivance in Smoke and Mirrors. That dubious distinction is saved for the B-plot. Enter Jonas and Teal'c. Apparently so confident in Major Carter's abilities (and buoyed by the fact that she's being aided by Agent Malcolm Barrett, NID), they remain in Colorado Springs to track down whoever stole the mimic devices. And this part of the story flows well, right over the cliff that is Jonas' steel trap of a memory. You're telling me that I'm supposed to believe that he remembers the face of an SF who just so happened to be stationed in the Gateroom when he first came to SGC. That's right, he's betraying his homeworld, carrying stolen naquadria, trying to vindicate himself and the savior of Kelowna, yet he remembers of the guy he walked past down the ramp. Wow. That IS impressive. Daniel could never have pulled that off. Not only that, but it just so happens that that SF was also duplicated by the Foothold aliens. AND, it just so happens that his was one of twelve devices we were able to salvage after the explosion in Foothold. OK, whatever.

Skipping ahead for brevity's sake, oh, who am I kidding. There's nothing brief about this post. Maybe I should stop now. But I haven't even got to the point about the rogue agent/murderer who's just waiting to blow Carter and Agent Malcolm Barrett, NID, to smitereens with his homemade bomb. Man, that'll look really cool. And Agent Malcolm Barrett, NID, can dive off the porch and lie on Carter. You know, for drama. Oh, that's right, and cause he likes her. That IS cute. All he needs are dimples and he'll have her in his arms in no time.

How's it all end you ask? Surely all of this mess has been leading to somewhere cool. But no, in an ironic twist that you could only see coming since Act I, where the scientist mentioned it, we reprogram the mimic devices with our own image. Lucky for us they had Carter on the project, as she's the only one who could make the devices sustain an image long enough. And Agent Malcolm Barrett, NID, earns Carter's respect. Damn, that IS satisfying.

All that ranting aside, I think AT and CJ are excellent in this episode. And, the scene between Kinsey and Jack in the end trumps anything else in the episode. Breaking him away from the rogue NID is clever. I'm sure he'll never need to be aligned with them again. Oh, damn, nevermind. Forget I said that. This is Stargate, and I suspend my disbelief quite a bit every week to enjoy it. For some reason I just can't stomach this episode.

Chaka's_Mum
June 29th, 2005, 03:42 AM
the scene between Kinsey and Jack in the end trumps anything else in the episode.

Wasn't it wonderful? Kinsey was smugness personified. He's probably been gagging to pay Jack back for all those times he's been thwarted by the Air Force Colonel From Hell (at least, that is how I assume he addresses the picture of Jack that he's pasted to his dartboard at home, anyway! ;) ).

And he's so clearly savouring every single solitary millisecond of it, too!

PugGate
July 1st, 2005, 09:01 AM
What I don't get is how someone is still alive after being shot with an armor piercing bullet.
Armor piercing bullets generally go through body armor, especially bullet-proof vests. Right? Kinsey should be dead.
And what the heck is with all these pineapples? They have a pineapple sitting outside in 'Frozen' too. Is this some writers idea of a crazy joke?
I loved Teal'c's interrogation scene. One of the series best scenes!

Atteria
July 1st, 2005, 09:09 AM
Encourged by another thread, here's my totally engrossing, can't-be-missed "analysis" of Smoke and Mirrors.

To begin, a "neighbor" witnessed duplicate O'neill dumping the murder weapon in the lake right behind his own cabin. Right, sure. We've been told repeatedly throughout the show's history that Jack likes his cabin for its solitude, because its miles away from anyone or anywhere. Yet on this night, it just so happens a "neighbor" is watching the lake. This evidence his further predicated on the premise that Jack is dumb enough to dump the weapon on his own property. As if that's not asinine enough, we're supposed to believe that the FBI, President, military, etc., are so obtuse that they believe that the special ops trained colonel, leader of the planet's foremost secret team, is dumb enough to do such a thing. But OK, whatever. I was sure the story could only get better.

Yet, for an unknown, and apparently too unimportant to let us in on reason, Carter goes by herself to DC to visit "an old acquaintance". Who is this mystery man from her past, who can help free Jack? Much to my surprise, it's that ne'er-do-well, all-around nice guy (not that we know any of this about him yet) Agent Malcom Barrett, NID. Wait, wait, wait, who the hell is this guy? We've never met him before. Oh, hang on, he's the NID loser who tied Sam and Daniel up in Wormhole X-treme for no apparent reason whatsoever. I'll bet he developed his crush on Carter right then and there. Anyway, I'm sure he's ready and willing to vindicate O'neill, especially after he let those crafty aliens escape in Wormhle X-treme. But OK, whatever, he's gonna help.

And how's he going to aid Carter? Well, he can't say. You see, he's so important, so dangerous to the rogue NID that his office is bugged. Isn't that just the coolest. But, if she'll meet him in the park later, he'll tell her how he can help. OK, let's meet. And as it turns out, Agent Malcolm Barrett, NID, being the only truly honest, only trustworthy agent in the entire organization, just so happens to be on a "super-secret", "I shouldn't even be telling you this" mission to take down the rogue elements at NID. At this point my face is permanently cringed, as he continues to expound upon his visits to the White House, his lone man mission against the cancer that continues to elude all other investigators. OK, you're on a super-secret mission from the President. Whatever. What's next.

Well, Agent Malcolm Barrett, NID, just so happens to know the exact black-market location where the murder weapon was purchased. Lucky him, maybe this guy is good. Of course, unscrupulous as he is, the dealer is more than happy to squeal in exchange for his continuing to look the other way. And, it just so happens that the soon-to-be outed murderer handled another weapon while he was there. Savvy. You know, cause he wasn't planning to do anything illegal that might give others cause to identify him. He just wanted to murder a famous politico or some such. Whatever, OK. I can't wait to see where this goes now.

To my surprise, none of the above even comes close to being the ultimate contrivance in Smoke and Mirrors. That dubious distinction is saved for the B-plot. Enter Jonas and Teal'c. Apparently so confident in Major Carter's abilities (and buoyed by the fact that she's being aided by Agent Malcolm Barrett, NID), they remain in Colorado Springs to track down whoever stole the mimic devices. And this part of the story flows well, right over the cliff that is Jonas' steel trap of a memory. You're telling me that I'm supposed to believe that he remembers the face of an SF who just so happened to be stationed in the Gateroom when he first came to SGC. That's right, he's betraying his homeworld, carrying stolen naquadria, trying to vindicate himself and the savior of Kelowna, yet he remembers of the guy he walked past down the ramp. Wow. That IS impressive. Daniel could never have pulled that off. Not only that, but it just so happens that that SF was also duplicated by the Foothold aliens. AND, it just so happens that his was one of twelve devices we were able to salvage after the explosion in Foothold. OK, whatever.

Skipping ahead for brevity's sake, oh, who am I kidding. There's nothing brief about this post. Maybe I should stop now. But I haven't even got to the point about the rogue agent/murderer who's just waiting to blow Carter and Agent Malcolm Barrett, NID, to smitereens with his homemade bomb. Man, that'll look really cool. And Agent Malcolm Barrett, NID, can dive off the porch and lie on Carter. You know, for drama. Oh, that's right, and cause he likes her. That IS cute. All he needs are dimples and he'll have her in his arms in no time.

How's it all end you ask? Surely all of this mess has been leading to somewhere cool. But no, in an ironic twist that you could only see coming since Act I, where the scientist mentioned it, we reprogram the mimic devices with our own image. Lucky for us they had Carter on the project, as she's the only one who could make the devices sustain an image long enough. And Agent Malcolm Barrett, NID, earns Carter's respect. Damn, that IS satisfying.

All that ranting aside, I think AT and CJ are excellent in this episode. And, the scene between Kinsey and Jack in the end trumps anything else in the episode. Breaking him away from the rogue NID is clever. I'm sure he'll never need to be aligned with them again. Oh, damn, nevermind. Forget I said that. This is Stargate, and I suspend my disbelief quite a bit every week to enjoy it. For some reason I just can't stomach this episode.

[color=blue] Sure you didn't miss anything? Nothing else to add? And are you sure we got the point? :D ;)

Very well thought out post, well written too. Nice to see humor and sarcasm, along with the ability to write and spell, is is still alive and well on the Forum. :)

Beatrice Otter
July 2nd, 2005, 09:38 AM
What I don't get is how someone is still alive after being shot with an armor piercing bullet.
Armor piercing bullets generally go through body armor, especially bullet-proof vests. Right? Kinsey should be dead.
And what the heck is with all these pineapples? They have a pineapple sitting outside in 'Frozen' too. Is this some writers idea of a crazy joke?
I loved Teal'c's interrogation scene. One of the series best scenes!
Yes, but we know the shot entered his body--if it had been stopped by some kind of body armor, he wouldn't have been in a coma in the hospital, y'know? Some bruises, maybe a cracked rib, that's it. Just being shot doesn't necessarily mean instant death. Not if there's a good hospital/emergency room nearby.

SilverRider
July 3rd, 2005, 12:40 AM
[color=blue] Sure you didn't miss anything? Nothing else to add? And are you sure we got the point? :D ;)

Very well thought out post, well written too. Nice to see humor and sarcasm, along with the ability to write and spell, is is still alive and well on the Forum. :)



I think he/she forgot about using Davis :P :D

zats
July 13th, 2005, 05:33 PM
Smoke And Mirrors: incredibly marginal yet still somehow manages to inhabit a few bytes of precious space in my mind.

Okay, okay. So it wasn't that bad. A few small bits were funny. A few small bits were weird but fine. And I like the title. It fits very well.

But none of the above can salvage a plot so full of holes that it might as well be knit lace.

I'm not going to go into a full treatise of all this ep's shortcomings (surprised? Yeah, me too). Golfbooy does a more-than-adequete job of that here (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=4329340#post4329340). Matter of fact, I'm going to break with the incessant negativity and talk about the halfway decent stuff:
a. The opening. Hooked me like a trout. Of course, it let go again not long after, but still...it gave that 'suspension of disbelief' business my drama teacher's always rattling on about a good shot. So kudos. [No, I didn't think Jack had actually shot Kinsey, but it did make me want to see how they were going to pull this ep off. Really.]
b. The bit where Teal'c reaches out and smacks the guy behind the house. :D
c. "You can get up now." Okay, so it's another annoying side plot in which the extra of the week falls madly in love w/ Sam, but it's still slightly funny.
d. The end. Good Lord, I love hating Kinsey.
e. Good acting by RDA, AT, CN, & CJ. The usuals.

So: lots of shiney stuff. Now if only there was a reasonable plot...

Chaka's_Mum
July 27th, 2005, 04:18 AM
d. The end. Good Lord, I love hating Kinsey.

Me too! All hail the smarmy git!:D

Lida
July 27th, 2005, 05:15 AM
The end of Smoke and Mirrors was the BEST thing about it......not exactly one of my favorites, although I could name worse. :(

KorbenDirewolf
July 27th, 2005, 10:24 AM
if you mean the bit after it goes "Executive Producer ect, ect, ect" I'd have to agree with you, Lida.

gateroom
August 8th, 2005, 04:40 PM
That Kinsey just won't die.
Poor kinsey finally met his end in full Alert.
I wasn’t sorry to see him gone
He was making to much trouble

LuvsJonasQuinn
August 9th, 2005, 01:52 AM
I hate Kinsey (I think it's fitting what eventually happens to him on the show) but this was a good episode. I loved how the team was working the angles to get Jack cleared. I love that General Hammond trusts Jonas so much that he broke policy and told him about the foothold situation they'd had a few years ago. Sam working with Agent Barrett was good - I think he has a crush on her. I loved how well Jonas and Teal'c worked together looking for the missing scientist. The way Teal'c stopped the guy from running was funny.LOL Jonas cleared the fence really good and can definitely run fast. I liked how he came up with a solution to get the guy to tell the truth after Teal'c just sat in the room staring at the scientist until he cracked.LOL

jckfan55
August 9th, 2005, 09:55 AM
Poor kinsey finally met his end in full Alert.
I wasn’t sorry to see him gone
He was making to much trouble
although you didn't reveal how, remember to watch out for spoilers. I believe we're supposed to use spoiler tags for anything past season 7.

JacksCSM
August 9th, 2005, 10:16 AM
Someone asked about the 're-appearing' pineapple.

Peter Woeste (who's been with RDA since Macgyver) is the Director of Photography, and has directed various episodes is the 'pineapple' guy. This is Peter's 'signature' just like Peter DeLuise and Martin Wood's cameo appearances in each episode they direct.

There's a reference out there that lists the various cameo's and stuff. Will hunt around and see if I can unearth it.

Chaka's_Mum
August 9th, 2005, 10:56 PM
Sam working with Agent Barrett was good - I think he has a crush on her.

Thank heavens she doesn't reciprocate, though - he's rather nice and I'd hate to see him being claimed by 'Curse of Carter' at some future date. :D

SilverRider
August 9th, 2005, 11:16 PM
He did ask her out in S7 :P

Chaka's_Mum
August 10th, 2005, 03:20 AM
I guess he just likes to live on the edge! :D

SilverRider
August 10th, 2005, 11:56 PM
haha....he sure does :D :D

Poor guy was crushed after Cater told him she was seeing someone *lol*

Chaka's_Mum
August 11th, 2005, 03:37 AM
And he'll never know what an escape he had...;)

zats
August 11th, 2005, 06:18 PM
He does if he's read her file. But hey, you'd think the little killing-of-the-male thing would have doomed the black widow species long ago...

[Clearly, there are no limits of what men will do for sex]

[Sorry, guys. Pithy at the moment]

SilverRider
August 11th, 2005, 10:08 PM
True, zats.....but then again he might have found someone nice :) ;)

zats
August 12th, 2005, 01:29 PM
Not last we saw. Didn't he ask her out in 'Resurrection'?

SilverRider
August 12th, 2005, 10:31 PM
That's what i said few posts above silly :D :D :D

zats
August 13th, 2005, 03:01 PM
Whoops.

[wince]

Uber
August 15th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Okay I have a question for anyone who wishes to answer it...but you have to have watched Foothold.

Supposedly they recovered 12 mimic devices from the SGC...but in Foothold, all the aliens at the SGC incinerated themselves (we know the Daniel one didn't because he "expired" later on [well as far as we know...I mean, we got that information from Maybourne after all]).

I can understand how Area 51 had four duplicating devices...one for Jack, one for Daniel, one for Major Davis and one for Janet. But where did all other ones come from?

I'm just sayin'...

:cool:

SilverRider
August 15th, 2005, 09:30 PM
I believe the others were one's left behind once the Aliens in Foothold were dead.

JacksCSM
August 18th, 2005, 05:42 PM
If my memory serves correctly ....

Remember in the "Foothold" episode they had various other 'bit' players, i.e., the guy in the elevator, the guys that were 'hunting' Teal'c, and Siler can all be counted as aliens. The aliens also 'processed' that one guy when Jack, Major Davis and BG Hammond were hanging from the ceiling. All of these folks would have to be counted into the 12.

LuvsJonasQuinn
August 20th, 2005, 02:01 AM
Thank heavens she doesn't reciprocate, though - he's rather nice and I'd hate to see him being claimed by 'Curse of Carter' at some future date. :D
I'm glad she didn't feel the same too. Especially since I'm a Sam/Jack shipper.:D

SilverRider
August 20th, 2005, 10:24 PM
"Curse of Carter" ???? when did this happened? :P

Chaka's_Mum
August 21st, 2005, 11:13 AM
I thought it seemed rather appropriate given that virtually every bloke who has ever fallen for Sam seems to end up dead sooner or later. :D

I thought Pete got off quite lightly, really. Despite that skirmish with Osiris, he managed not only to stay alive but to actually propose! Now that's staying power...

SilverRider
August 21st, 2005, 11:00 PM
I thought it seemed rather appropriate given that virtually every bloke who has ever fallen for Sam seems to end up dead sooner or later. :D

I thought Pete got off quite lightly, really. Despite that skirmish with Osiris, he managed not only to stay alive but to actually propose! Now that's staying power...

haha! So true! Expect Jack manage to keep distance :rolleyes:

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 06:22 AM
Sam working with Agent Barrett was good - I think he has a crush on her. oh well good ep full of twists thats what Staragte is all about!!

Perriman33
September 24th, 2005, 12:10 AM
It was good to see alien technology being used for once,even if it was to frame jack! Good bit of detective work by sam and agent barrett.
It's nice to have a couple of episodes on earth fighting other humans who seem to be more of a challenge than the goa'uld! :)

Metarock Sam
September 24th, 2005, 01:16 PM
I didnt really like this episode as it didnt really have the gate in it. I mean thats the focus of the show the gate and it wasnt even used.

walter_MacChevron
October 31st, 2005, 08:27 PM
Nice to see they went back to that foothold tech, but glad that there's not an overwhelming amount of earth eppys in this season.....

Nem2k
November 20th, 2005, 08:16 AM
just watched this episode again and im thinking there are quite a few plot holes:

1. that guy who used the mimic device to kill kinsey as davis and oneill...he works for the NID and has never been to the SGC. but at the end Sam used a mimic device to mimic him...how? when was he ever scanned by the scanner thing from foothold?

2. when that guy used the device to mimic jack to purchase the weapon. he went in and handled a second weapon which is how Sam and Barrett got his prints...again, how? If he was mimicking Jack, then why arent Jacks prints on that weapon?

3. and once again, that guy with the mimic devices (sorry i cant remmeber his name lol) he was given the task of killing Kinsey at the beginning and as far as he knows, he succeeded. However he was just in a coma but Barrett said that nobody was allowed to know that he was still alive because they needed him to bring down the shadow NID. So if it was such a big secret and nobody, not even Sam, knew Kinsey was still alive....how did the guy with the mimic device know? Because he went into the hospital to finish the job, but who told him Kinsey isnt actually dead?

:rolleyes:

smurf
November 20th, 2005, 09:31 AM
1) When first referenced, Sam mentions they tried to get the mimic machine to work but couldn't get it to hold an image for more than a few minutes. They stuck the bad guy in the machine after they grabbed him.

2) The mimic device apparently projects a holographic image, not changes the form of the wearer. Don't think about it too hard. :p :D

3) Major Davis is one of the original mimic copies, and was told about Kinsey. I assume they told the fake Davis accidentally.

Beatrice Otter
November 20th, 2005, 11:06 PM
1) When first referenced, Sam mentions they tried to get the mimic machine to work but couldn't get it to hold an image for more than a few minutes. They stuck the bad guy in the machine after they grabbed him.

2) The mimic device apparently projects a holographic image, not changes the form of the wearer. Don't think about it too hard. :p :D

3) Major Davis is one of the original mimic copies, and was told about Kinsey. I assume they told the fake Davis accidentally.
3. Or there were more holes than Barret thought, which, given that this is the NID we're talking about, is certainly possible.

Callista
February 26th, 2007, 06:42 PM
This was the only episode I hadn't gotten around to seeing yet. I kind of wish it had stayed that way.
I didn't see anything remotely Stargate in this whole episode.

I've never liked the NID.

Agent Barrett is kind of boring.

I hope Jonas remembered to go back and get that secret file out of the bushes where he threw it when he was chasing scientist guy.

I know we had a bunch of mimic devices, but where exactly was the scanner they used so that Sam could look like the assassin?

As my husband commented at the end:

I think this episode was wearing one of those mimic devices cause that sure looked like an episode of "The X-Files" to me. (albeit a bad one)

Two_L's
May 2nd, 2007, 05:51 AM
Maybe I'm the only one, but I actually didn't mind this episode. :o Even though Stargate is meant to be sci-fi, I always enjoy the earth based stories. I like the fact that every season has a few episodes set on earth because it shows us a different angle to the characters and to the show itself; that sg-1 is just as capable in resolving mysteries and political issues as it is when fighting goa'uld. We are also able to see how politics and government matters affect the SGC program.


And, the scene between Kinsey and Jack in the end trumps anything else in the episode.

Definitely! That scene was awesome, even though Kinsey comes out on top. I can't stand that man, which I guess is the purpose of his character :P

Also, Teal'c taking out that guy with his arm was classic! :lol:

Chaka's_Mum
May 2nd, 2007, 10:08 AM
Hmm. I don't hate this episode - primarily because I'm a Kinsey fan. I think Ronny does a superb job playing the wretched old idiot. I have to agree that that brief moment when Ol' Bob finally thinks he's got one over on Jack is classic. Ah, pride comes before a fall!

I'd include an evil grin at this point - but there doesn't appear to be one...

Chezlee
January 20th, 2008, 11:02 PM
I agree with some that major davis very attractive ;) other than that without any idea that this episode would be about it is pretty good in that you have the conflicting thought of whether of not Jack really did kill Kinsey. Not my facorite but not bad. Also..Why do the fingerprints not match? If someone already mentioned this im sorry I just didnt feel like reading 4 pages of comments, but if it takes on the entire image, and the image feels real to others, why wouldnt the fingerprints match the image?

StargateSG8
May 27th, 2008, 01:16 AM
I'm not sure if this has been already mentioned in this topic, i spotted something funny with christopher judge, when sam, hammond, jonas and himself are walking up the flight of stairs together, a few minutes into the episode, teal'c tries to walk kinda side by side with jonas, but jonas keeps walking in front of him, and just when he is about to go off camera, you can see teal'c laughing! did anyone else spot this?

gatechick
May 28th, 2008, 04:30 PM
I agree with some that major davis very attractive ;) other than that without any idea that this episode would be about it is pretty good in that you have the conflicting thought of whether of not Jack really did kill Kinsey. Not my facorite but not bad. Also..Why do the fingerprints not match? If someone already mentioned this im sorry I just didnt feel like reading 4 pages of comments, but if it takes on the entire image, and the image feels real to others, why wouldnt the fingerprints match the image?


This is my own thoughts so someone can correct me if I am wrong. But din't the fingerprints not match because what the devices did was only to create the illusion of seeing someone else? So everything else would remain the same, because you weren't really that person but an illusion of that person?

captain jake
July 6th, 2008, 06:43 AM
Very interesting,

I wish they would have allowed Kinsey to be killed, why did they have to bring him back. I did find it interesting that the assassins last name was Devlin, a name which should be very interesting to those who have seen season 4 of Atlantis (Devlin medical technologies). My favorite part of this episode was how they brought back the mimicking devices into the story. I hate when they encounter technology and it is never mentioned again, so this episode was very refreshing.

DanJack
July 21st, 2008, 03:03 PM
Very interesting,

I wish they would have allowed Kinsey to be killed, why did they have to bring him back. I did find it interesting that the assassins last name was Devlin, a name which should be very interesting to those who have seen season 4 of Atlantis (Devlin medical technologies). My favorite part of this episode was how they brought back the mimicking devices into the story. I hate when they encounter technology and it is never mentioned again, so this episode was very refreshing.

I agree Jake. It was cool to see them bring back that tech. The Devlin name that's sometimes used in the series is a salute to Dean Devlin who wrote/produced the original Stargate film.

L E E
August 2nd, 2008, 08:28 PM
Oh man. The last scene was very painful to watch. Jack having to need Kinsey to clear his name. Ugh...

Overall, I liked the episode. The NID, for once, is on the good side.

LordAnubis82
September 6th, 2008, 02:17 PM
good episode, just one thing though. they were sitting in the briefing room watching a tape of O'Neill in the hallway of the building where Kinsey was shoot from and no one asked the obvious question and that is: "if O'Neill was Special Ops trained then why would he allow himself to be seen on cam? wouldn't he have taken out the cam and any other surveillance first? they are trained to be stealthy u know."

L E E
September 19th, 2008, 12:03 AM
good episode, just one thing though. they were sitting in the briefing room watching a tape of O'Neill in the hallway of the building where Kinsey was shoot from and no one asked the obvious question and that is: "if O'Neill was Special Ops trained then why would he allow himself to be seen on cam? wouldn't he have taken out the cam and any other surveillance first? they are trained to be stealthy u know."

yeah. i immediately noticed that too. as usual, i just blame the plot.

hedwig
October 10th, 2008, 12:07 AM
I really liked this episode. Well, except for Jack being framed. But that had to be there in order for the team to be able to exhonerate him. Even though Hammond brought the Airman in to take Jack into custody, Hammond states right out that he doesn't believe Jack did it. And a bit later when Hammond and Carter are coming up the stairs, they both say they know for sure the Colonel didn't do it. And then Hammond puts the rest of SG1 on leave in order to put their full efforts into finding out exactly what happened and how to free Jack.

Love the trust and back-up there. Not a single question about whether he was innocent. I liked that Sam got to check out things in her dress uniform - more impressive and very businesslike. Though I also thought she looked great in her casual girl clothes when she met Barrett in the park, and then the black suit when they went to check out the house that blew up. She seemed very confident in what she was doing and wasn't going to take any crap from Barrett about sharing information.

I was also bothered by the so-called evidence of finding the gun in the lake. I thought there was a pond at Jack's cabin; it isn't a lake. And having a neighbor claim to have seen him dumping something in the lake, ... well there are no neighbors near enough to his cabin to see anything, plus even if it had been Jack he would have waited until really dark and dressed himself in black clothing so nobody lurking around uninvited would even see him doing anything. Obviously somebody was paid to claim they saw him doing that, but it never came up again.

Kinsey - will I have nothing to say about him. (**jerk that he is**).

Just liked how the team got really involved in sorting things out and got their guy off the hook, except that he had to show up with Kinsey and shake his hand ... which he undoubtedly wanted to do something else with, but couldn't.:)

Hornet
November 29th, 2008, 07:48 AM
Kinsey is such a jerk I wished he really got killed, lol. The way he turn the whole event into a heroic act of his own.

Then again I wouldn't expect any less from real life politician, LOL.

Butlersgate
March 14th, 2009, 08:37 AM
Kinsey is such a jerk I wished he really got killed, lol. The way he turn the whole event into a heroic act of his own.

Then again I wouldn't expect any less from real life politician, LOL.

so true, he is so far up his own arse you just wanna shoot him, like jack :D

Detritus
April 23rd, 2009, 04:50 PM
One thing that always bugs me about this episode is that Kinsey goes from being shot and in a coma to back on his feet and up walking around like nothing happened the next minute.

He should have been laid up in the hospital fir weeks recovering,

The Stig
May 15th, 2009, 12:55 PM
this was a really good episode and i am glad they brought the changy technology back. only problem with the ep is that kinsey lived.

balo
May 22nd, 2009, 07:33 AM
Great episode , no Stargates but the mimic devices was cool enough .

Loved the way Teal'c and Jonas worked together , especially when they captured Dr Langham .

Only bad thing about this episode is that Kinsley is still alive.


Rating : 7 / 10

vzzzzzbx
June 4th, 2009, 06:19 PM
I thought this was a pretty good episode. Kinsey is certainly one of those characters most people love to hate, and you just gotta love Teal'c's interrogation technique :D

MyzteriouZ
June 27th, 2009, 06:13 PM
They should have got MS back for this episode, and have "Daniel" be the assassin :P (in the opening scene) I actually waited and waited for MS to appear after Sam told Jonas that there is one for "Daniel" (thought it was weird for her to mention a dead guy, so figured it would have so future meaning in the epi, silly me :P )

Teal'C and the fist of steel strikes :) and his silent interrogation was cool, I think I would give in too, just see him across the table, staring at you :D

Billz
August 30th, 2009, 02:48 AM
Who was the person who played the Gun salesman that Sam and Agent Barret talk to in this episode? You know, the bald guy. Otherwise known as 'dude who sounds like a lady'.

Ulkesh47
August 31st, 2009, 10:13 AM
Who was the person who played the Gun salesman that Sam and Agent Barret talk to in this episode? You know, the bald guy. Otherwise known as 'dude who sounds like a lady'.
It was either John Mann or James Michalopolous.

mrscopterdoc
March 23rd, 2010, 05:15 PM
Not my favorite episode but seeing Teal'c clothsline the guy and "interrogate" him was awesome :P

and why won't Kinsey DIE????

maneth
October 10th, 2010, 11:06 AM
Yeah, I wanted to see Kinsey die too... Teal'c's clothesline tackle was awesome. But I'm glad they brought back the alien hologram devices, they're cool.

Lunaeclipse
February 8th, 2011, 07:34 PM
It was either John Mann or James Michalopolous.

Yeah I think it was Mann, they mention him by name in the Directors commentary..

Lunaeclipse
February 8th, 2011, 07:36 PM
Not my favorite episode but seeing Teal'c clothsline the guy and "interrogate" him was awesome :P

and why won't Kinsey DIE????

to be fair, the title gave us the idea that it was all a ploy...

Dave2
December 15th, 2011, 12:21 PM
It's a well plotted episode. And you see in yet one more episode how RDA got his request for less screen time, which I personally feel detracts from the show in Season 6. Of course the on-world episodes must have also been an obvious budgetary savings, which I find a bit disappointing.

Question: Sam mentions that the mimic devices required scanning the person being mimicked. I don't recall in Foothold a segment where the alien creatures scanned anybody before taking on their appearance.

hedwig
December 15th, 2011, 12:31 PM
Question: Sam mentions that the mimic devices required scanning the person being mimicked. I don't recall in Foothold a segment where the alien creatures scanned anybody before taking on their appearance.

That's because we weren't shown that. Sam's comment takes the place of us getting to see it happen. It happens all the time in TV. Rather than taking the time to create a machine that can do the scanning, the writers have a character make a comment in reference to it, so the audience knows how it was done.

fems
December 15th, 2011, 12:50 PM
Actually, around 26 minutes into Foothold we see Fraiser and some airmen placing another airman into the scanner.

Dave2
December 15th, 2011, 01:22 PM
Right, that room where people were hanging from the ceiling. OK, that was the scanner. Got it now.


Actually, around 26 minutes into Foothold we see Fraiser and some airmen placing another airman into the scanner.

fems
December 15th, 2011, 01:24 PM
Well, the actual scanner wasn't the room, but that grayish thing on the floor where they inserted the airman and afterwards the airman would be hanging from the ceiling like the others.

Trig
January 9th, 2012, 02:38 AM
Just watched this on a rewatch (bit behind) Erm, Peter Kelamis (SGU's Adam Brody) didnt even recognise him until the credits rolled...

Matt G
January 17th, 2012, 02:15 PM
I stuck a VHS into the Halls of Res machine...

1. Sort of new the plot prior to the ep...certainly an interesting fix...

2. Interesting that the Foothold incident got buried so deep...

3. Very well spotted Jonas...

4. First time Barrett's really of use.

5. Only plothole...how did they get Devlin's banner for the mimic device?

6. Teal'c staring out Langam. :)

7. And Jack couldn't bring himself to smile...

Cool ep.

Kratos_Goauld_of_War
January 19th, 2012, 06:42 AM
Haven't seen foothold in a while so i may be mistaken, but wasn't Jack in BDU's when he was jabbed by alien Janet? Which means that it's possible that the dupilcated images weren't exactly of the clothes the person was wearing (it may have been what they were thinking about wearing or something)

I think, since it copies a person, whoever is wearing the device can easily change clothes. Remember, Jack was in BDU's, but when they were on the plane with Maybourne and Carter, he was in civies. (Foothold)

So you can use the device and change clothes. It would be a pretty useless device if you could only be wearing what that person was wearing when they were scanned.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 19th, 2012, 03:13 PM
I thought it was a pretty memorable episode because Kinsey finally gets what's coming to him, or does he?

Not mentioning Foothold in the Previously on, was sneaky, but good.

Forgot that Peter Kelamis was in this episode.

Tomorrow, Maybourne is back and is trapped on another planet with Jack.

Jae'a
January 20th, 2012, 07:51 AM
Meh, not one of my faves... Teal'c is great in this ep though :D

My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/33428.html)
That's weird, the LJ question of the day on the front page is "Who do you think would make a great US president?"
Well, we know who we wouldn't want! :lol:

Krisz
January 21st, 2012, 12:16 PM
One of the best Earth based episodes.

Loved the inventive way the mimic devices were used to frame Jack, and increase the feeling of paranoia that anyone could be replaced to further the interests of that shady group of businessmen.

'Brody' looked so different in this episode!

Jonas and Teal'c worked really well together on their bit of the investigation. Teal'c definitely stole the show in this episode with stopping Langham's escape and his interrogation technique of leaving the guy to imagine what might happen to him at his hands if he didn't talk, and looking at Teal'c's expression you really don't want to know! :eek:

Our disingenuous friend Kinsey's use of Jack's situation was wonderfully irritating, "Smile Colonel, you've just won me the election."

jelgate
January 22nd, 2012, 03:00 PM
Once again this season seemed to have the intent of ending the major plot arcs. This episode aimed to wrap up the rogue NID and arrest the heads. Yes The Committee takes on a new form but for all purposes gives the impression they had been wrapped up in this episode. But in S4 it was shown that Kinsey was on the rogue NID side so I have to wonder why they changed sides with him and tried to kill Kinsey. As far as I remember this was never answered. Besides that it was a nice corspiracy plot to find out the rogue NID behind this assination. Like many Earth the story is complicated on the people behind the attack making it interesting to watch but it was predictible the mimic devices were behind. I always laugh when the doctor runs right into Teal'c arm.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
January 23rd, 2012, 08:48 AM
I thought it was answered in season 8, Jelgate. Can't remember the name of the episode, though.

Seaboe

hedwig
January 23rd, 2012, 08:56 AM
I thought it was answered in season 8, Jelgate. Can't remember the name of the episode, though.

Seaboe

Most likely "Full Alert", S8. :)

Lieutenant Sparrow
February 7th, 2012, 12:25 AM
This season is full of these average eps. It's either a really good ep or a really bad one.

It was cool seeing the mimic devices again. And Teal'cs awesome close line on Brody.

Brody puts on some weight for Universe haha.

Gate_Builder
February 7th, 2012, 10:05 AM
I liked this episode somewhat, but it became a bit predictable near the end when the NID heads were about to get busted. (Incidentally, I just saw one of those mimic devices for sale on ebay. I don't know if it was a replica, or if it was one of the actual used on the show though.)
I was also wondering on this episode, has anyone checked continuity wise to see if the clothing that the mimic subjects were wearing matched the clothing they wore in the "Foothold" episode? If I remember correctly, the aliens had a scanner that scanned the individual which was then programmed into the device. I don't think we ever see that scanner used again by SGC personell, so I'm guessing that the stored images in the devices are still of the old scans, and therefore, should match identically. (Hopefully I'm not being too much of a geek here) :D

Cluas
January 29th, 2013, 08:48 AM
Fine episode. Kinsey, mimic devices, Teal'c as an interrogator.

We didn't even see the stargate. But I don't mind :jack_new_anime07:

sparrowhawk85
June 11th, 2013, 07:55 PM
in S4 it was shown that Kinsey was on the rogue NID side so I have to wonder why they changed sides with him and tried to kill Kinsey. As far as I remember this was never answered.

to answer your question 6 years later, if you still remember the episode;

It was because the NID good guy blackmailed him into giving the names of his big business associates. Apparently he had some crap on Kinsey. (The bench seen with Carter.) Funny, if I was one of those arrested at the end, I would surely try my best to expose Kinsey after the fact.

hedwig
June 11th, 2013, 08:45 PM
to answer your question 6 years later, if you still remember the episode;

It was because the NID good guy blackmailed him into giving the names of his big business associates. Apparently he had some crap on Kinsey. (The bench seen with Carter.) Funny, if I was one of those arrested at the end, I would surely try my best to expose Kinsey after the fact.

The episode is "Smoke & Mirrors" and the good NID guy is Agent Malcolm Barrett. :)

Falcon Horus
July 6th, 2013, 07:00 AM
A typical frame job with an alien twist.

Nice to see Barrett and Carter working together. :)

Jonas, Teal'c and Janet teaming up at the base... and O'Neill not doing much else but wait.

Kinsey -- can we airlock him?

Teal'c stopping the scientist... oh, that had to hurt. :p He was injured, Teal'c, how did that happen? General Hammond's hilarious. :p

Anja
September 25th, 2015, 12:10 PM
I think nobody really believed O'Neill being an assassin - but the other characters could prove useful again. And they did good!!! Hammond very worried, O'Neill very angry and the rest of the team very busy.

Claire98909
October 26th, 2015, 02:17 PM
Haven't seen thsi epi in a while. Can't remember if Carter reciprocated Barrett's feelings or if he just annoyed her.

Falcon Horus
October 26th, 2015, 02:25 PM
There was flirting, I think.

hedwig
October 26th, 2015, 03:22 PM
Haven't seen thsi epi in a while. Can't remember if Carter reciprocated Barrett's feelings or if he just annoyed her.

She didn't reciprocate his feelings. She was just pleasant and businesslike throughout.

Science
May 25th, 2016, 03:25 AM
I really don't like these flashback episodes and this one was almost completely pointless. Besides the concept that we finally told other countries about the Stargate, nothing new was given. And turning the announcement into a makeshift trial was utterly silly. I'm sure he'll be dealt with in a future episode but I wish O'Neill had killed that senator.

Falcon Horus
May 25th, 2016, 04:27 AM
Clip episodes are a way to save budget for bigger episodes.

Nirude
June 13th, 2016, 03:31 AM
This wasn't a clip episode. Science seems to be talking about two episodes at once or something. :/

Britta
June 13th, 2016, 02:46 PM
The episode Science is referring to is Disclosure (6x17).

Falcon Horus
September 24th, 2018, 02:09 PM
Meh... It has its moments but for the most part it's meh...

Love seeing Teal'c, Jonas and Janet work things out at the base, backed by Hammond.
And enjoy the team-up between Barrett and Carter.

It's an Earth episode that misses a bit of schwung. I mean, I simply couldn't care less if Kinsey lived or died. He's a pain in the mik'ta.

Just meh...

How would you rate SG-1's "Smoke and Mirrors?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

jelgate
September 24th, 2018, 02:10 PM
Neck?

Falcon Horus
September 24th, 2018, 02:13 PM
Neck?

Eh... nope. :p

jelgate
October 25th, 2018, 11:12 AM
I quite like this episode even if its another RDA disappears episode. Unlike a lot of people I Don't hate NID episodes. I especially like the interaction between Barret and Sam and the sci-fi mystery. If their is a compliant the rogue NID story should bof of ended here. Ill give it a good

Falcon Horus
November 18th, 2018, 09:24 AM
3-episode quiz: Sight Unseen, Smoke & Mirrors & Paradise Lost (https://goo.gl/forms/UHfctii4SHJJpEj33)

Jigsaw puzzle: Smoke & Mirrors (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=6KKRFNXH)

Who Knows
November 18th, 2018, 04:07 PM
16:48. http://smilies.sofrayt.com/^/aiw/sorry.gif

Too long between jigsaws is my excuse. http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/buddyicons/373a.gif

Who Knows
November 18th, 2018, 09:05 PM
12:37

Falcon Horus
November 19th, 2018, 01:31 AM
Too long between jigsaws is my excuse. http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/buddyicons/373a.gif

I'm sorry -- this is indeed entirely my fault. :p

BethHG
November 23rd, 2018, 03:21 AM
12:26 for me

jelgate
December 19th, 2018, 06:43 PM
8:30

Falcon Horus
December 22nd, 2018, 01:38 PM
8:44