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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 611</FONT>
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A news reporter threatens to expose a top-secret military project, but when Carter and Jonas give her a tour of the X-303, they discover that she is a pawn in a much larger plot.

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omnian
June 13th, 2004, 05:51 AM
This was a strange episode for me. I was quite surprised at the news team being allowed a tour of the X-303 but even more so when Simmons and that Goa'uld came along.

This also paved the way for Unnatural Selection which is a great episode! :)

There's one thing I either don't get or can't rememeber: how did Simmons get onto the ship in the first place? This was probably addressed and I just can't remember, lol.

Mr Prophet
June 13th, 2004, 06:09 AM
Simmons was the hostage release deal: Give us Simmons and snakeboy or we blow up the desert.

SG_Mike
June 17th, 2004, 11:34 AM
I agree that the news crew getting a tour of the ship a little unlikely. But I also can see the probability of it actually happening. It was stated by Hammond that all material would be destroyed afterwards.

SeaBee
June 24th, 2004, 04:37 PM
The only problem I had with this ep was the lack of staff on the ship.

The thing is being built to help us with our defence of Earth, and an attack could occur at any time, so why wasn't anybody actually working on it?

Apart from that, excellent ep.
I loved the incandescant Jack rage.

bcmilco
June 24th, 2004, 11:53 PM
It was a Saturday. The union wouldn't allow them to work on a Saturday. ;) :p

Elwe Singollo
June 25th, 2004, 10:02 AM
It was a Saturday. The union wouldn't allow them to work on a Saturday. ;) :pSo... they were working on a day they aren't supposed to?

KorbenDirewolf
June 25th, 2004, 10:53 AM
Possibly, maybe for some reason it was cleared of all personell before the cameras came in.

Selmak
July 11th, 2004, 07:45 AM
The rule of thumb is always deny the government built big spaceship.

Anubis
July 11th, 2004, 07:47 AM
I loved Promotheus, espically in TLC

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 08:17 PM
I hope who ever though letting the reporters on the Promotheus was fired.

mishy_mo
October 4th, 2004, 01:45 PM
I hope who ever though letting the reporters on the Promotheus was fired.


your right but what are you gonna do when part of the GOVERMENT (rogue or not) is in on the plan

i like this episode we hear the name prometheus earlier in the season so i'm just glad to find out what it was !!!!!!!

greytop
October 5th, 2004, 09:44 AM
I hope who ever though letting the reporters on the Promotheus was fired.
Wasn't he killed by Smith.

SeaBee
October 24th, 2004, 06:43 AM
Just a little point,but if I was in charge of security at an ultra top secret facility, and a bunch of people with cameras and stuff were being allowed in, I would have dismantled their equipment and searched it for things like guns and zats! :p

DownFallAngel
October 24th, 2004, 07:31 AM
Just a little point,but if I was in charge of security at an ultra top secret facility, and a bunch of people with cameras and stuff were being allowed in, I would have dismantled their equipment and searched it for things like guns and zats! :p

I think it was stated that the president had cleared them and their equipment and what not.

Madeleine
October 24th, 2004, 10:06 AM
I think it was stated that the president had cleared them and their equipment and what not.

Do you think the president frisked them himself then? :p Cos he made a bit of a hash of it...

aschen
October 24th, 2004, 10:07 AM
Do you think the president frisked them himself then? :p Cos he made a bit of a hash of it...

If Clintin was the president, I doubt he'd pass up that kind of a chance. :cool:

DownFallAngel
October 24th, 2004, 11:09 AM
If Clintin was the president, I doubt he'd pass up that kind of a chance. :cool:

There is definately an 'o' in his name. lol

Also, if the president clears you, you can't go any higher that him, not in our country.

Madeleine
October 24th, 2004, 02:58 PM
If Clintin was the president, I doubt he'd pass up that kind of a chance. :cool:

I left that one wide open, didn't I :D

Lord Zedd
October 24th, 2004, 10:26 PM
I loved Promotheus, espically in TLC
yeah I loved Prometheus too :D I think it's one of the greatest episodes in season 6 What does TLC mean?I know a group that was named TLC with Lisa lazy eye Lopez but she died in a plain accident some years ago:( They had a big hit with 'no scrubs' so I don't think you mean the musicband.So what does it mean?

Anubis
October 25th, 2004, 02:58 AM
yeah I loved Prometheus too :D I think it's one of the greatest episodes in season 6 What does TLC mean?I know a group that was named TLC with Lisa lazy eye Lopez but she died in a plain accident some years ago:( They had a big hit with 'no scrubs' so I don't think you mean the musicband.So what does it mean?



That would be The Lost City. I only slightly mentioned it because I didn't want to give off spoilers for season seven. ;)

veneticuss
October 25th, 2004, 05:27 AM
There is definately an 'o' in his name. lol

Also, if the president clears you, you can't go any higher that him, not in our country.
Lol, that was definetly a typo :D

Darkstar
November 14th, 2004, 10:01 AM
this was a bolt outa the blue, how oh how did they build a ship that big in such a small space of time? :eek:
i mean the retro fitted death gliders took them about three years to build.
was it the ship from the eps nightwalkers?
somebody please tell me i can't sleep at night not knowing!!! :eek: :eek:

Mr Prophet
November 14th, 2004, 10:05 AM
They were working on the X-303 simultaneously with the 301 and 302; it had been under construction for several years by the time they got the naquadria to make the hyperdrive work.

Major Fischer
November 22nd, 2004, 05:27 PM
I'm having serious suspension of disbelief problems here. Primarily because of the small number of guards on this camera crew. I can understand not wanting the crew to take pictures of the people building the ship, but why not spare fifty or a hundred SFs?

The governments multibillion dollar space craft was stolen way to easy IMO.

Mr Prophet
November 23rd, 2004, 09:20 AM
I'm having serious suspension of disbelief problems here. Primarily because of the small number of guards on this camera crew. I can understand not wanting the crew to take pictures of the people building the ship, but why not spare fifty or a hundred SFs?

The governments multibillion dollar space craft was stolen way to easy IMO.

Or, you know, at least a couple of big guys to pat them down and run their gear through an x-ray.

Oh looky! A gun!

KayMan2k
November 23rd, 2004, 09:37 AM
I'm having serious suspension of disbelief problems here. Primarily because of the small number of guards on this camera crew. I can understand not wanting the crew to take pictures of the people building the ship, but why not spare fifty or a hundred SFs?
Every guard hired to watch over the project is another person who has to learn about alien technology and another potential security breach. Anyway, with the NID behind the plot.. they probably could have paid off/replaced the guards for that day.


The governments multibillion dollar space craft was stolen way to easy IMO.
Well, they did have help from an alien and Q :)

Major Fischer
November 23rd, 2004, 09:37 AM
Or, you know, at least a couple of big guys to pat them down and run their gear through an x-ray.

Oh looky! A gun!

Exactly!

Mr Prophet
November 23rd, 2004, 09:40 AM
Exactly!

Maybe they used the famously x-ray invisible Glock 17.

Except, you know...that's cobblers.

Major Fischer
November 23rd, 2004, 09:45 AM
Maybe they used the famously x-ray invisible Glock 17.

Except, you know...that's cobblers.

hehe. You're right.

IIRC there is more metal in the slide and mechanical parts of the Glock 17 than in some all metal handguns. But it wouldn't surprise me if they had heard that old line.

Mr Prophet
November 23rd, 2004, 09:48 AM
hehe. You're right.

IIRC there is more metal in the slide and mechanical parts of the Glock 17 than in some all metal handguns. But it wouldn't surprise me if they had heard that old line.

It's been common parlance since Die Hard II - where they describe it as a porcelain gun.

Filipino
January 6th, 2005, 08:28 PM
I read over at TVTome that O'Neill had a scene with Hammond wherein Jack wanted to name the X-303 "Enterprise". Would anyone know what scene comes before or after this? The copy I have (SciFi) appears not to have it. :(

Erik Pasternak
January 6th, 2005, 08:37 PM
I read over at TVTome that O'Neill had a scene with Hammond wherein Jack wanted to name the X-303 "Enterprise". Would anyone know what scene comes before or after this? The copy I have (SciFi) appears not to have it. :(
It's actually O'Neill and Carter in "Unnatural Selection."

greytop
January 6th, 2005, 08:39 PM
I read over at TVTome that O'Neill had a scene with Hammond wherein Jack wanted to name the X-303 "Enterprise". Would anyone know what scene comes before or after this?
The scene before the one you are talking about is where Jack was talking to Hammond via hologram.

The scene afterwards is the one where the boys were eating the frozen stuff and Jack wanted Teal'c's ice cream.

Filipino
January 6th, 2005, 08:42 PM
greytop: those scenes you mentioned are missing. :( Would the "Enterprise" scene be in "Unnatural Selection"?

Update: it is in "Unnatural Selection"

greytop
January 6th, 2005, 08:48 PM
greytop: those scenes you mentioned are missing. :( Would the "Enterprise" scene be in "Unatural Selection"?
Yes, they are, my apologies. My mind it tired. :p
I don't remember that Enterprise was mention in Pometheus, except when the director's commentary is on.

Filipino
January 6th, 2005, 09:24 PM
no problem i'd be confused myself as it was a 2 parter. :)

corey2002
January 13th, 2005, 05:11 PM
did anyone else notice how wierd the scene when Col.Simmons was pushed out was?
it had a semi-no-gravity/slowmotion/badcamera work feel to it,there was an *odd*look shared by o'neill and teal'c, and simmons looked like he was trying way too hard.

great ep though-the X-303 was AWESOME!

Yu`
February 8th, 2005, 03:14 AM
This was good if you can get over the illogic of a news team being allowed on and the US giving into terrorists.

Good cliffhanger though.

PugGate
May 2nd, 2005, 05:31 PM
-Where was Carter when she was confronted by the reporter? She was in some parking lot somewhere.

-I find it hard to believe that the NID were going to follows the Goa'uld's instructions and go to the coordinates that he gave them. Soooo friggin' stupid.

-RDA did an awesome job of doing the 'I'm a pissed of colonel and someone is about to be dismembered'!

valaCB
May 28th, 2005, 10:51 AM
so so episode, loved the X-303!

twiggy
May 28th, 2005, 02:20 PM
i kinda liked this ep. it was an interesting (for lack of a better word) way to introduce the Promethias. but weak in other aspects. but i still love it coz it's stargate

greytop
June 7th, 2005, 10:03 PM
I thought Simmons made a better Goa'uld than the other guy. Otherwise, an okay episode.

SilverRider
June 7th, 2005, 10:57 PM
Simmons was better than Maybroune.

Still enjoyed the ep. Major D was a bouns :D

QuiGonJohn
June 12th, 2005, 06:02 AM
Loved this episode. Great introduction to the Prometheus.

zats
July 13th, 2005, 05:46 PM
I know I've seen this ep, just don't remember much of it.

What was good (and has remained in the leakey seive that is my mind):
a. That shot where the Prometheus is rising out of the hanger. I just like it for some inexplicable reason (y'know, like that scene in The Matrix after Trinity's shot the agent and he's falling back while the gun recoils...sort of the same thing. Not quite. Whatever).
b. For some reason, I always remember this:
Teal'c: "Does the ship not possess a docking bay capable of receiving the X-302?"
Davis: "We don't have any ready to fly."
Jack: "We've got the death glider from Anubis."
[Teal'c and Jack bolt. Davis hollers after them]
Davis : "The radar system on the X-303 is still incomplete. Fly into through the lower bay. They'll never see you coming!"
Just the way he shouts after them...I dunno.
c. When Sam cuts through the wall. Why does this make me happy? I don't think it's because of the torch (my therapist says we've got the pyromania under control). Maybe there's something shiney in it. I'll have to check.

So. That's it. A few random snippities that I remember and like.

My, that was a pointless post, wasn't it?

Mainer82
July 31st, 2005, 01:50 PM
did anyone else notice how wierd the scene when Col.Simmons was pushed out was?
it had a semi-no-gravity/slowmotion/badcamera work feel to it,there was an *odd*look shared by o'neill and teal'c, and simmons looked like he was trying way too hard.

great ep though-the X-303 was AWESOME!

This was a great episode. I love the scene between Jack and Teal'c eating the ice cream... One thing I did not like was when Jack kicked Simmons out of the air lock... Jack would of been frozen / decompressed.

L-JADE
August 1st, 2005, 11:44 PM
As an episode goes, I like Prometheus, it has action and teamwork and ice-cream scene (which is so rare... :p )
What I don't like is the design of Prometheus itself.. at a glance it kinda look like the face of a Labrador dog/puppy (big head, small feet) and it kinda out-of balance.
With F301/302 design so aerodynamic, this one so different. I know this is a Goaul'd design, but Alkesh/Mother-ship do not look like that at all... no wonder the Snakeboy jeers at it.

Icebox
August 4th, 2005, 11:59 AM
Overall, it was a good episode, I really loved the small beats in it. Loved the reporters reaction when she found out Jonas was an alien too, that was great.

zats
August 5th, 2005, 05:12 AM
As an episode goes, I like Prometheus, it has action and teamwork and ice-cream scene (which is so rare... :p )
What I don't like is the design of Prometheus itself.. at a glance it kinda look like the face of a Labrador dog/puppy (big head, small feet) and it kinda out-of balance.
With F301/302 design so aerodynamic, this one so different. I know this is a Goaul'd design, but Alkesh/Mother-ship do not look like that at all... no wonder the Snakeboy jeers at it. [heeheehee!]

LuvsJonasQuinn
August 9th, 2005, 01:38 AM
The guys looked great in black. :) I loved how Jonas tried to stop them from taking off by hiding the crystal. I liked how Jack and Teal'c were working from th outside and Sam and Jonas were working from inside the ship to stop the bad guys. I loved Thor showing up at the end when they didn't know where they were in space. I find it kind of interesting that someone from the press now knows the truth about what's going on out in space.

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 06:13 AM
At last a ship built by us humans!! maybe tiny comapred to an Asgard but we are still learning!

walter_MacChevron
October 31st, 2005, 08:23 PM
Pretty good episode but why couldnt they name it enterprise????;) ......and TPTB you have to slow down a little because by the end of S9, earth will have three ships.....its not realistic one seemingly takes years to build

cafine_us
November 1st, 2005, 12:05 PM
The Prometheus was Earth's first ship. It would naturally take longer to build it than to build later ships. At the current point in Stargate history (mid season 9), we have blueprints for the basic ship. Now all we need is money and possible small improvements.

solar wind
November 1st, 2005, 05:25 PM
Funny, I thought the ice cream scene was in the next episode, Unnatural Selection. Am I wrong?

desert fox
July 7th, 2006, 05:50 AM
Good episode although a little bit weak. The whole spaceship hijacking schame was interesting but those fake camera crew went in quite easily to X-303 and took control of it. For such a highly classified project , security should've been best. Loved how our team managed to get back the ship through. Carter sabotaging machines , Teal' and O'Neill boarding with F-302 fighter. The Goa'uld infested Simmons was creepy. Good they have spaced him !

captain jake
July 7th, 2006, 06:08 AM
Well they did do a full background scan on all of them one was even in the military I believe. What other precautions would you have had them take?

desert fox
July 7th, 2006, 06:12 AM
There should have been a full security detachment inside/outside ship and with camera crew. They should have been observed constantly by cameras. There should have been a lockdown procedure. Besides it seemed NID agents were seemed bluffing. If they blew the engines they would have died also.

captain jake
July 7th, 2006, 06:24 AM
Well they had guards on them but who would have thought they would be carrying zats. However I agree they should have had More security personnel.

They would have blown them if there was only one other choice.

desert fox
July 7th, 2006, 07:51 AM
Well they had guards on them but who would have thought they would be carrying zats. However I agree they should have had More security personnel.

They would have blown them if there was only one other choice.

They have brought zats in ! They haven't even been searched properly.
My living room has better security !

captain jake
July 7th, 2006, 07:53 AM
I agree well my living room doesn't but I get your point.

Pharaoh Atem
July 26th, 2006, 05:32 PM
our first time we got to see prommie :) this was a good episode loved jacks reactio nwhen he got on site

Scoobing
August 16th, 2006, 04:59 AM
Yes, me too, that ep was just shown on Sky One again yesterday and I was just coming to the thread to mention it. Jack's reaction is great in a kind of "I told you so" way and he really sells the part of Davis' superior coming down on him hard, yet still, it's really funny.

:)

SamCarterFan
January 28th, 2007, 02:23 AM
I was just watching this older episode and I noticed something that bugs me, maybe one of you can help me with this...
on the prometheus sam kicked that guys ass and then two other men came around the corner pointing guns at her. then one of them started approaching her. that scene took a rather long time I think. He kept coming closer but he had a zat in his hand why not use it right where he stood then?
I think he didn't want to shoot her, I think he wanted to do something else if you catch my drift. is it just me or do other people noticed that too? so what would've happened if jack and teal'c didn't show up...

Pharaoh Atem
January 28th, 2007, 05:14 AM
I was just watching this older episode and I noticed something that bugs me, maybe one of you can help me with this...
on the prometheus sam kicked that guys ass and then two other men came around the corner pointing guns at her. then one of them started approaching her. that scene took a rather long time I think. He kept coming closer but he had a zat in his hand why not use it right where he stood then?
I think he didn't want to shoot her, I think he wanted to do something else if you catch my drift. is it just me or do other people noticed that too? so what would've happened if jack and teal'c didn't show up...

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/Atem_03/boom07.gif

huh i'll have a lok later ......if i have season 6 :(

SamCarterFan
January 28th, 2007, 07:52 AM
yes please do, I would really like to know what you guys think

Callista
February 12th, 2007, 06:55 PM
I really don't like this episode. They give a tour of the Prometheus to a reporter? As someone else said above, I can't believe they wouldn't look inside the cameras! I went to hear a President speak once and they opened up my little regular camera....no way would they not look into a big video-camera. The fight scene was really awkward and I'm not buying that Jack can just grab Teal'c by the shirt and keep him from going out the airlock. I find the NID to be incredibly boring.

What I really don't understand is how they can call this a two-parter! This episode and Unnatural Selection have absolutely nothing to do with each other. I suppose there was a mid-season break or something and they needed some sort of suspense to hold people over.

The one bright light on the horizon is that "Prometheus" is followed up by what I think is one of the best episodes in the whole series....

Bring on "Unnatural Selection"!!!! (AND HURRY!!!!)

Two_L's
April 26th, 2007, 06:50 AM
I quite liked this episode. It was a bit strange that the TV crew were allowed onto the ship without better security around, but Prometheus looked pretty cool. I liked O'Neill's fury at finding out what happened, even though it kinda made me laugh :P


I was just watching this older episode and I noticed something that bugs me, maybe one of you can help me with this...
on the prometheus sam kicked that guys ass and then two other men came around the corner pointing guns at her. then one of them started approaching her. that scene took a rather long time I think. He kept coming closer but he had a zat in his hand why not use it right where he stood then?
I think he didn't want to shoot her, I think he wanted to do something else if you catch my drift. is it just me or do other people noticed that too? so what would've happened if jack and teal'c didn't show up...

I did notice that! I also thought that he "wanted to do something else" because he gave Sam a weird look before he started approaching her. :eek: Good thing Jack and Teal'c showed up when they did. ;)

cavalierlwt
September 4th, 2007, 05:53 PM
They should have just brought Simmons and Adrian Conrad (the Goa'uld) down to where the hijackers could see them, perhaps on a security cam, and just put a put a bullet in both their heads. No more Simmons, no more Conrad, no more money, no hyperspace coordinates, parties over. Tell the hijackers if they hurt any of the crew, then they won't be leaving alive, guaranteed.

Maybe have the President bring in the head of NID and tell him, "You have about two hours to get those people out, hostages unharmed, ship unharmed, or we're dismantling the NID"

They've had way too many 'rogue' NID elements to the point where you could easily make the case the the NID, in the balance of things, is ultimately an enemy of the US (and the Earth)

garhkal
September 5th, 2007, 03:29 PM
True.. though i wonder if they would have still blown the ship.

Chezlee
January 20th, 2008, 07:30 PM
This is an ok episode but Unatural selection is TONS better :) the ice cream scenes is one of my favorite out of the whole season.

As to how they built the ship so fast. Carter mentioned when they first got onto the ship that they had been working on it since the discovery of a crashed ship in Alaska. Im prettys sure this wasn't true, it may have been a way to avoid telling about the stargate. I do believe, however, that the Asguard may have helped with some hints here and there because she mentions the "little gray men" which I believe is the only true part of her statement.

I dont think they would have been so "thorough" with the camera crew because there were some guards, Super Carter and Jonas were there and, lets face it, they had no idea that these people knew anything about the ship or about zats. And it wasnt as if the president or anyone equally important was there, and at the very least it never would have crossed anyones mind that these people coule FLY the ship once they took over.

Come to think of it. How did they get down to the ship? Only Carter, Jonas, and the two media people went down in the elevator and there was no one else on the surface with carter and Jonas. So who brought the camera people down, and so they were in the control room BEFORE Carter and entourage got there?

p.s. Lady with heavy makeup and black jacket is SCARY! *shivers* And the look that guy gives her isn't a lustful one IMO but he had proven Kinda evilish, or at least doesn't mind to kill and I get the distinct impression he likes to play with his food before he eats it. A couple seconds more would have gone something like this

Evil man struts up zat held ready: "So, you thought you could stop us little girly." And proceeds with a list of reasons why they are smarter then carter. belittle her make a few routine comments about her pending demise etc... Bad Guy 101 :D

FN-P90
June 20th, 2008, 11:31 AM
The Ep had a few holes but i genealy liked it Unatural Selection was better thow

captain jake
July 5th, 2008, 12:29 AM
Colonel Simmons is DEAD!!!

Jack has his revenge, and now we don't have to deal with Adrian Conrad. It wasn't like he was ever going to give us anything of value and he was far to dangerous to keep alive. It was interesting to find out that the asgard are constantly monitoring out solar system. Not to mention how cool it was to see how large the Asgard ships are compared to the X-303. I wonder how many Asgard are on that one vessel.

Butlersgate
March 14th, 2009, 07:14 AM
Colonel Simmons is DEAD!!!

Jack has his revenge, and now we don't have to deal with Adrian Conrad. It wasn't like he was ever going to give us anything of value and he was far to dangerous to keep alive. It was interesting to find out that the asgard are constantly monitoring out solar system. Not to mention how cool it was to see how large the Asgard ships are compared to the X-303. I wonder how many Asgard are on that one vessel.

it always seems that there is one asgard to each ship in every episode, but yeah i am soo so glad he is dead that w****r!

The Stig
May 15th, 2009, 12:41 PM
the introduction of earths first major ship was a great move by the writers. it showed the importance of the stargate program.

balo
May 19th, 2009, 07:27 AM
The start of this episode was a bit strange , it was a great introduction to the Prometheus but why was it empty , no security , how can they bring with them a zat gun just like that?

But can't complain about the rest of the episode.

Rating: 7 / 10

vzzzzzbx
June 1st, 2009, 07:07 PM
No wonder O'Neill was pissed off when he arrived, the security was pretty poor for supposedly the most secure facility on the planet. And how stupid of the NID guys leaving the Goa'uld alone unguarded, duh! They obviously trusted him way too easily.

es!
December 14th, 2009, 12:03 AM
Carter was so hot in this ep! I mean, she's always hot, but especially in Prometheus :p

gateship15
December 14th, 2009, 12:12 AM
this was a fantastic episode

mrscopterdoc
March 23rd, 2010, 11:14 AM
Not one of my favorite episodes. I do like seing the Asgard and thank goodness Simmons is dead.

maneth
October 9th, 2010, 10:31 AM
I'm glad Simmons is dead too and that they spaced the *******!

But yeah, the lax security bugged me too. I loved that O'Neill wanted to call the ship Enterprise.

stargatetravler
January 20th, 2011, 07:43 AM
I didn't even know they had been building a space ship. This episode caught me off guard. I was seriously like "WTF, did I miss something? When did they start building this?". It was a great ship. Its a shame it got destroyed, although, the Daedelous class ships weren't too bad, especially when they got their hands on Asgard technology.

stupidoctopus
June 6th, 2011, 04:38 PM
I didn't even know they had been building a space ship. This episode caught me off guard. I was seriously like "WTF, did I miss something? When did they start building this?". It was a great ship. Its a shame it got destroyed, although, the Daedelous class ships weren't too bad, especially when they got their hands on Asgard technology.

Wish I had gotten a spoiler alert on that one..

hedwig
June 13th, 2011, 11:34 AM
Given that the site where the Prometheus was being built was supposed to be the most secure site on the face of the planet (according to O'Neill), it was incredibly easy for people to just walk in and grab the ship. Excuse me, but people just drive up to the little building in the middle of a desert (sort of), and there's barely any sort of military presence in place. And they only have two military escort to go down into the bowels of the site to the ship, instead of a whole group of them. And their TV equipment isn't checked before they're even allowed onto the site. If it had, I would think at least some of their weapons would have been discovered.

Even if it was a TV crew and reporter being allowed onboard, it seems extremely out of character for there to have been so few security personnel around the site. There was nothing seen around the site when the first two vehicles drove up.

And yet immediately on finding out the Prometheus was being hijacked, security people, tents, etc. were almost immediately onsite and set up. This is the kind of security that should have been available from the beginning.

And poor Major Davis having Jack yelling at him like it was his fault. He never seems to quite get a break from being snipped or yelled at by someone. And he hasn't been very effective in dealing with people in the past - his "visit" to Julia in the limo fell flat; his threat to Simmons in the van taking him to the site fell flat. He needs a different scriptwriter to give him better lines to deliver.

I'm wondering how far Simmons was actually willing to go with his threat to detonate the engines. I seriously doubt he was willing to let himself be killed for his convictions. He was too greedy and wanted all those weapons too badly to allow himself to be killed like that.

garhkal
June 15th, 2011, 03:44 PM
From being mil, one of the best ways to protect something is to make it look unobtrusive.. something like they had set up, would have been a great way to make others not even think there was a ship building facility underground...
Having lots of people come in/out, with all sorts of weaponry WOULD HAVE.

hedwig
June 18th, 2011, 09:18 AM
From being mil, one of the best ways to protect something is to make it look unobtrusive.. something like they had set up, would have been a great way to make others not even think there was a ship building facility underground...
Having lots of people come in/out, with all sorts of weaponry WOULD HAVE.

Even so, one would think an extremely thorough search of all the TV equipment would have been done before the TV people were allowed anywhere near the place. And I don't think they would have missed something like those zats or the guns they obviously had. And again, I don't think having only two airmen along as guards was enough for something like that. They were taken out far too easily. In my opinion, that whole thing was handled incredibly sloppily.

garhkal
June 22nd, 2011, 03:11 PM
That i agree with.. BUT perhaps the powers that be who were to do so (kinsey) paid off the guards.

Dave2
December 14th, 2011, 01:55 PM
How realistic could it possibly be for a space vehicle to open its bay doors and not have everything sucked out especially with lack of oxygen. Simmons was pulled out as if he were on an aircraft at 20,000 feet instead of a space vehicle in orbit.

LeftHandedGuitarist
December 20th, 2011, 02:01 PM
Not a great episode. Besides the fact that it's just a bit dull, it's also one of the most preposterous things Stargate has ever done. The sudden appearance of Prometheus, a giant ship, is stretching believability too far. They would have had to have spent years and years on it (Carter mentions something about the idea beginning in 1978, but her subsequent line with Jonas makes it sound like she's just bull****ting the reporters).

Carter knows almost everything about the ship by the looks of things, but doesn't appear to have been particularly involved in the project. Even more unbelievable, Jonas also has a detailed understanding of the ships systems. When did either of them find the time for this between all their SG-1 adventures?!

As mentioned above, the ease at which the camera crew take over the "most secure facility on the planet" is ridiculous. Add to that a bunch of useless bad guys and you have the makings of a pretty weak episode.

I was not a fan of Stargate introducing Earth ships, what I enjoyed about Stargate was that it differed from Star Trek, and this was a big step in that direction. Also, Prometheus is a damn ugly ship design. At least the terrible Adrian Conrad is out of the picture, but it's a shame Simmonds had to go after so few appearances.

The miraculous apperance of the Asgard is also pretty silly. Loved O'Neill getting angry, though.

RATING: 6 out of 10

Seaboe Muffinchucker
December 22nd, 2011, 07:21 PM
The ship bugs me. It's supposed to be able to fly in atmosphere, designed by human beings who are very used to aerodynamic designs, yet it looks like a lego model, all sharp edges. It's about as aerodynamic in appearance as a brick. Yes, I know, its engines mean it doesn't have to worry about atmosphere. But did it have to be ugly?

Seaboe

hedwig
December 25th, 2011, 01:26 PM
Carter knows almost everything about the ship by the looks of things, but doesn't appear to have been particularly involved in the project. Even more unbelievable, Jonas also has a detailed understanding of the ships systems. When did either of them find the time for this between all their SG-1 adventures?!

In some of her non-existent spare time, apparently Sam helped design and build the engines for the Prometheus, as well as assisting in the building of the thing. It was probably a few of her clones that were manufactured in order to use her many talents to their fullest - between being on SG1, going on missions, being a scientist, helping build space ships, apparently being on call 24/7 for anyone at the SGC who needs help. :)


As mentioned above, the ease at which the camera crew take over the "most secure facility on the planet" is ridiculous. Add to that a bunch of useless bad guys and you have the makings of a pretty weak episode.

I agree with Jack with his "did anyone bother to do a background check on these guys". They should also have inspected every bit of camera equipment the TV crew brought with them, but nothing was said about any of that. They should also have frisked each person from the TV station that was going to see the Prometheus. Maybe a bit of overkill, but it would be understandable given it was a TV crew with a reporter highly motivated to get that kind of information to the public, who would likely have gone to great lengths herself to obtain some secret information she would then broadcast (regardless of confidentiality agreements and the like).

Matt G
January 13th, 2012, 02:35 AM
I stuck a VHS ep in the machine...

1. Now before going into this ep I knew what Prometheus was, my surprise that Donovan knew about Prometheus but knew zippo about the SGC.

2. Was surprised that the producer guy was in on the raid.

3. Don't think I've ever seen Jack more POd before or since.

4. Those guys were possibly trying to make sure Sam wasn't armed or more likely hadn't read the Evil Overlord or henchman lists.

5. OK, the Asgard ship showing up was a slight Dues ex Machina but it set up an awesome so they're forgiven.

jckfan55
January 13th, 2012, 06:09 AM
A good adventure--but all based on terrible security. :(

LT. COL. John Sheppard
January 13th, 2012, 06:17 AM
A good adventure--but all based on terrible security. :(
cough cough usaf security cough

Seaboe Muffinchucker
January 13th, 2012, 06:43 AM
3. Don't think I've ever seen Jack more POd before or since.

What about Red Sky? I think he was more POd in that.

Seaboe

LT. COL. John Sheppard
January 13th, 2012, 06:45 AM
What about Red Sky? I think he was more POd in that.

Seaboe
true that was scary

mathpiglet
January 16th, 2012, 12:21 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Sure the security was lax, but I can see the AF getting complacent at times. This will make them sit up and take notice.

Great visual effect of the ship rising out of the ground!

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 16th, 2012, 03:54 PM
Great midseason finale.

Now, Earth has its own spaceship, unfortunately the Asgard need it now. I don't think that will end well.

It's a shame that this is the only 303-class that will ever be built

Tomorrow, those nasty Replicators are back, and now they're human.

Krisz
January 16th, 2012, 07:33 PM
I loved the 'clunky' look of the Prometheus, it had that look of experimentation about it, really showed it was Earth's first attempt at building a spaceship! It was my favourite ship in the Stargate universe until the Destiny came along. Even got to play around on the set and sit in the captain's chair, so it's always great to see the Prometheus again on screen after that fun experience!

Prometheus was just another example of Earth's early attempts at well, being out there in space! This is what I liked about early Stargate, they had to work a bit harder, putting stuff together with a bit of a hit and miss approach.

That's why I like this episode, they went for it big time with the X303, not expecting it to be of use in the near future but they were learning. Great idea for the villainous Simmons to use the Goa'uld to finish the work and get his just deserts for trying to get one up on the Goa'uld before it did it to him.

There were some moments that didn't really work, the fight sequence before the Goa'ulded Simmons was airocked was not well done at all. If it was meant to be slow motion, why did it look like a load to kids playing mock slow motion fighting?! Also agree about the security, or lack of it, it was ludicrously easy for the bad guys to get on board without being thoroughly searched, no way should they have been able to bring zats along with them!

Still, by ignoring these odd moments it is always an entertaining episode overall for me. :)

Jae'a
January 17th, 2012, 12:18 PM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/32560.html)

jelgate
January 21st, 2012, 02:07 PM
Are we suppose to believe that the rogue NID are behind the leak of Prometheus? Because if not it irks me that we never found out who leaked the information. I also want to know how the camera crew got behind camera crew. I can understand the people being clean but what I don't understand is how the crew could sneak a few zats into the X-303. That would be an interesting one to answer. Besides that it was a good episode. I like seeing Jonas and Sam doing things on their end to shut down Prometheus while at the same time Jack and Teal'c tried something to "save" the day. It showed that while apart the two still work as a team. Plus Simmons finally died which is a plus. The Replicators seems tacked on to end on a cliffhanger

hedwig
January 21st, 2012, 02:09 PM
Are we suppose to believe that the rogue NID are behind the leak of Prometheus? Because if not it irks me that we never found out who leaked the information. I also want to know how the camera crew got behind camera crew. I can understand the people being clean but what I don't understand is how the crew could sneak a few zats into the X-303. That would be an interesting one to answer. Besides that it was a good episode. I like seeing Jonas and Sam doing things on their end to shut down Prometheus while at the same time Jack and Teal'c tried something to "save" the day. It showed that while apart the two still work as a team. Plus Simmons finally died which is a plus. The Replicators seems tacked on to end on a cliffhanger

Probably because it is a cliffhanger. :p:D

fems
January 22nd, 2012, 12:20 AM
Are we suppose to believe that the rogue NID are behind the leak of Prometheus? Because if not it irks me that we never found out who leaked the information. I also want to know how the camera crew got behind camera crew. I can understand the people being clean but what I don't understand is how the crew could sneak a few zats into the X-303. That would be an interesting one to answer. Besides that it was a good episode. I like seeing Jonas and Sam doing things on their end to shut down Prometheus while at the same time Jack and Teal'c tried something to "save" the day. It showed that while apart the two still work as a team. Plus Simmons finally died which is a plus. The Replicators seems tacked on to end on a cliffhanger

Perhaps a member of the Rogue NID was the one who rigged the screening of the camera crew and 'overlooked' their zats as well...

bookwormjules
January 22nd, 2012, 06:45 AM
This was another great episode of the season, and I loved the cliffhanger. I was very pleased when Simmons was dealt with. And I enjoyed the scene between Teal'c and Jack afterwards.

I never really thought about how the camera crew was "overlooked" so easily. They may have had just background checks done on them, but with where they were being so secure, they would have at least scanned the equipment. So I'm going to have to go with what Fems said as the best reason why they got in their and took over so easily. Or it's a big plot hole that was overlooked.

Lieutenant Sparrow
February 5th, 2012, 03:10 AM
I actually liked this ep even though a few of you didn't.

Seeing Prometheus for the first time (again) was great. Even under the circumstances. The ships of Stargate are just one of the reasons why I love Stargate. And I actually quite like the design of Prometheus. Just doesn't look as good as the Daedalus class ships.

One thing I do agree on is the camera crew thing. Should not have been so easy for them to get weapons aboard.

aintright
August 28th, 2012, 06:12 PM
Rewatching my discs to prep for D*C. Forgot how cool angry Jack was in this ep. And then the scene where Simmons/Goa'uld is booted from the ship. The great little moment where Jack fixes Teal'c's jacket after he retrieves him from nearly following out the door.

Must say it is those little moments that i so miss.


teehee!!:jack_new15:

Cluas
January 28th, 2013, 02:20 PM
Two words: Yes & Yes

This ep had it all. Poor security (my only complaint). Angry Jack, the coolest spaceship ever, an evil tv-producer, rogue NID, Simmons, the Goa'uld, Asgard (and Thor) and even replicators. WOW.
Jonas was thinking fast, Sam was also SO cool, she got away and managed to sabotage the plan. Jack and Teal'c just in time as usual
This is surely one of the greatest episodes ever. Can't wait for the conclusion. So I'll stop my "review" here. Have to watch it now...

:jack: :tealc: :sam: :jonas:
:thoranime09:

Falcon Horus
July 5th, 2013, 12:01 PM
Major Davis is going to misplace their new ship in space. Good thing they bring it back in one piece in the end.

So, that's how Adrian Conrad meets his sticky end. And I'd totally forgot about Simmons getting airlocked, which is funny because when he and Teal'c are battling it out, I yelled "Airlock!"... :p

"We can't name it the Enterprise, Sir."

Me and O'Neill: "Why not?"

That's so lame. :p

Falcon Horus
July 5th, 2013, 12:16 PM
Addendum

Spotted a fun continuity thing: in one shot there's a greasy finger on Carter's visor when she's cutting through the door, next shot we return she's still cutting but the greasy print is gone. :p

Anja
September 26th, 2015, 06:29 AM
See they even clean up greasy fingerprints!
Good ep, Carter very clever and O'Neill all military. Exciting, bad things coming - can all the bad ones be eliminated in time?
Who is to blame for letting them all in - armed and all.
Jonas Quinn very cute again.

BethHG
July 10th, 2018, 07:08 AM
Two words: Yes & Yes

This ep had it all. Poor security (my only complaint). Angry Jack, the coolest spaceship ever, an evil tv-producer, rogue NID, Simmons, the Goa'uld, Asgard (and Thor) and even replicators. WOW.
Jonas was thinking fast, Sam was also SO cool, she got away and managed to sabotage the plan. Jack and Teal'c just in time as usual

This says it all for me. :D

altair
August 19th, 2018, 01:06 PM
My first look at Prometheus, and it's a handsome episode visually, and I liked Sam and Jonas working on their own. As for the story, weak security, etc...well, it's TV. I'm sure ANY crew would have been searched, but TV is like opera...you don't go to it for the plots.
O'Neills's rant is pretty good, but Sam figuring out a plan, welding her way out is pretty good. She needs to be a general, but I should wait for later seasons.
Hated to see Simmons go, he was a nice villain. He always looks like Charles Schumer, one of my least favorite politicians. Much like NID...I'm sure if they're still around, they're working on a way to get rid of Trump.
I also thought Prometheus set looked good, had the feel of a yet-to-be-completed ship.

BethHG
August 19th, 2018, 02:20 PM
The Prometheus set did look great!

Falcon Horus
September 22nd, 2018, 08:00 AM
Not gonna lie, this episode sucks.

The story is of poor quality and Colonel Simmons meeting that ending feels like an afterthought. In fact, I think it really was an afterthought.

Anyhow, not much to comment on this episode other than that I was bored throughout.
No redeeming qualities other than perhaps seeing Major Davis again. I like that character.

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BethHG
September 22nd, 2018, 03:52 PM
11:06

Who Knows
September 22nd, 2018, 09:06 PM
12.03

hedwig
September 23rd, 2018, 11:47 AM
10:37

jelgate
September 27th, 2018, 07:06 AM
The good times are over it seems. I sense this is where me and FH will diverge. I for one like this episode. Unlike most people, I actually like NID episodes. I do question how the camera crew was able to sneak on the Prometheus and those guards on. That said I like the Die Hard feel of Sam sneaking around is hilarious and I kind of liked the reporter even if she was trying to expose the SGC. Plus I liked seeing Simmons final meeting his end. I call this a good with 6 minute 41 seconds

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 28th, 2018, 06:44 AM
How bizarre--I agree with Jelgate more than Falcon Horus. That said, I think the Prometheus is ugly and totally un-aerodynamic. I have a hard time believing engineers born on earth would design a spaceship that handles in the atmosphere without making it aerodynamic (ask me what I think of the F-302 if you want a real rant).

Seaboe

jelgate
September 28th, 2018, 11:41 AM
If you want to open that can of worms, none of the Stargate spaceships are aerodynamic

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 1st, 2018, 06:32 AM
I agree completely.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
October 3rd, 2018, 04:00 AM
That's it, the end of the world is near... :p

Falcon Horus
December 22nd, 2018, 01:08 PM
6:37