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January 2nd, 2006, 06:26 PM
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SG-1 discovers the village of Camelot on an alien world, and must face Merlin's security system when they go in search of an Ancient weapon. Elsewhere, Earth and its allies assemble a fleet when a working Ori Supergate is discovered.

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mi4si
March 10th, 2006, 05:00 PM
damn nice battle scenes.....not another cliffhanger....c'mon season 10..need a resolution... 4 ships....just 4 ships...

captainpash
March 10th, 2006, 05:00 PM
No!!!!

Was that a Deadlus class that was destroyed? I think it was. It might have been the Oddesuy. Considering there wasn't any main characters onboard. Too bad though it was a Wolf 359.

USMCgrunt
March 10th, 2006, 05:00 PM
She was a good ship and we barely knew her. RIP Odyssey you will not be forgotten.

marlowe54
March 10th, 2006, 05:00 PM
That wasnt the Odyssey, it was the Korelev.

Bthazor
March 10th, 2006, 05:00 PM
Wow, I want that hour of my life back. Was it just my imagination or did the Asgard ship run away??!

alz0rz
March 10th, 2006, 05:01 PM
That was amazing, did we lose one of our deadalus-class ships their at the end? OMG. NO

No, Not 5 Months Noo

GateMan2000
March 10th, 2006, 05:01 PM
Holy Cow! This episode overall was the best of the season! I can't wait for next season. We found out the the Asgard are peons to the Ori lol...Its going to be interesting to see how they come up with an offensive.

siXbrownSnakes2
March 10th, 2006, 05:01 PM
Holy hell.

NICE VISFX!!

The ending was great... having carter see the fleet getting destroyed from her space suit...

The beginning of the episode was terrible, but the end was quite amusing

For the slow start, I'd give it a ***, but my speculation is the Ori somehow saved all our heroes.

James_the_Wraith_Sympathiser
March 10th, 2006, 05:01 PM
Ummm....hate to ruin the party...but lots of us haven't seen 'Camelot' yet.

Spoiler tags next time, please (unless this is a prank).

EDIT*** Sorry, didn't mean to be the evil spoiler overlord, just thought someone had ruined the ep for me. I don't care about if the russian ship gets destroyed :P

AzgardCommander
March 10th, 2006, 05:01 PM
Did SG1 all die!? (Except for Sam)

SlytherinGal
March 10th, 2006, 05:01 PM
very good episode...but did they have to end the eppy like that...now, i will be wondering for months what happens...evil evil unmentioned tbcs

Seshat
March 10th, 2006, 05:02 PM
OOOOoooooOOOOO Can Martin Wood direct an episode or can he not?!! :)
(and where oh where was he the rest of the season?)

I can see now they poured all their $$$$ into THIS ep. :D

Jumper One
March 10th, 2006, 05:02 PM
Umm.. Spoilers?!!

I don't think that was Korelev, Mitchell and Daniel were on it. Odyssey was the only ship without Sg1 on it (Sam in space, Teal'c on the Lucian Alliance ship).

keppiezbt
March 10th, 2006, 05:02 PM
i thought the hour moved slow and the battle scene was rushed...however it was sooooooooo cool and i cant beleive 4 ships did that...sort of gives u the impression that wow we are screwed....look how big those ships are...they are like the size of a hive ship!!


as for the merlin part, we did all that and we find nothing...i mean that seems like a waste 45 minutes of the show!

AGateFan
March 10th, 2006, 05:04 PM
Did SG1 all die!? (Except for Sam)
Hmmm let me think about it......

Uh, ok, No SG-1 did not all die. In fact, I bet none of them died.... but of course, I dont really know for sure... just a my opinion.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
March 10th, 2006, 05:04 PM
It was almost a Flop episode (it turned out not to be one about 45 minutes in). I give it a ***.

No "To Be Continued" at the end really pi***d me off.

As of the teaser at the end, no S10/S3 clips, that's retar-- Stupid.

Jumper One
March 10th, 2006, 05:04 PM
SPOILERS!!

We can assume that that was the Odyssey blowing up, becuase it was the only ship without any members of Sg-1 on it.

Kilharae
March 10th, 2006, 05:04 PM
I love the "there is no magic"...BEEM... thingy I got a great laugh at that both times, but especially the second time.

Seshat
March 10th, 2006, 05:04 PM
Oh, and did I mention?

BRUCE! BRUCE! BRUCE!

LOVED the cameo appearance!! LOL :D

siXbrownSnakes2
March 10th, 2006, 05:04 PM
as for the merlin part, we did all that and we find nothing...i mean that seems like a waste 45 minutes of the show!

Yeah, IMO the Merlin storyline should have had a greater impact on the episode.

However maybe it will in season 10's premiere.

EDIT:


OOOOoooooOOOOO Can Martin Wood direct an episode or can he not?!!
(and where oh where was he the rest of the season?)

Directing Atlantis eps :D

skrip00
March 10th, 2006, 05:05 PM
Agreed. I wonder what happened the the Asgaurd ship... maybe thatll rescue SG-1 and run. But Korelev is about to die too. Ori wont leave any survivors.

TechnoBoY
March 10th, 2006, 05:05 PM
WOW! I gotta say! I enjoyed the last half of that episode so much! And the battle! Wow! Its been a long time since I actually thought they were in peril! And the Russians have a ship! And their all like blown up! Hehe! Exciting! Cant wait until June!

I am crossing my fingers on next season.

Now lets see how Atlantis is!

Wraith_Hunter
March 10th, 2006, 05:05 PM
I know for a fact it wasn't the Odyssey, because the Odyssey gets in a fight with two Lucian Alliance motherships in the S10 premiere 'Flesh & Blood'. It gets damaged in that battle but doesn't get destroyed in that either!

It was the Korelev, because the spoilers say Carter radios it for survivors, Daniel reassures her he made it out okay.

Lil Naitch
March 10th, 2006, 05:05 PM
I can't for this battle scene in Camelot. At last a real battle between earth's ships and the evil guys WITH THE ASGARD. No matter how it works out, it is going to be amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Eh, only one Asgaurd ship.

Oh, boy. That wasn't a battle. That was a massacre. I found it interesting that the shields on the Earth and Asgaurd ships worked while the Goa'uld ships shields didn't work at all. And I think we can safely assume it wasn't the Korlev that was destroyed, seeing that SG-1 was all aboard. Which is a good thing, since that means Checkov more than likely survives.

Awesome episode, though. Fully renenewed my interst in Stargate.

CKO
March 10th, 2006, 05:05 PM
holy frak.... *sulks* damn not five mo now..

thats what we call a very evil unmentioned TBC.

makes me wonder if the Russians were the ones that bit the dust..

stargatejunkie
March 10th, 2006, 05:05 PM
I honestly am so upset right now, because it really looks bad.....OMG is it july YET!! I hope things arnt what they appear and everyones okay....goodlord, is this real and i awake, someone pinch me!!:(

Mr. Jack
March 10th, 2006, 05:06 PM
A Fantastic Episode, but I can safely say that I hate the Ori so much now its not funny, worst enemy ever, you CAN'T fight back against them, which makes it retarded and fool hardy. At least we could fight back against the Goauld ground soldiers.

I mean COMMON, 50 ships vs 5 Ori, and not even ONE DIES!!! God, this is gonna turn into another "LOL SG-1 GOTSTA FIND ANOTHER SUPER WEAPON!"

Bthazor
March 10th, 2006, 05:06 PM
It was almost a Flop episode (it turned out not to be one about 45 minutes in). I give it a ***.

No "To Be Continued" at the end really pi***d me off.

As of the teaser at the end, no S10/S3 clips, that's retar-- Stupid.

It would have been good as part 2 of a 3 part finale, but come on, it leaves absolutely NO other solutions to the Ori azkicking other than that amulet.

Ludofjn
March 10th, 2006, 05:06 PM
THE Odossey DIED NOT THE KORO no sg-1 dead (sigh)

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Denanthor
March 10th, 2006, 05:07 PM
Well Telek wasnt on one of the 304s so we know hes all right. Now weather or not it was the Odyssey or the Korolve or not depends. I think it would be easier to destroy Odyssey seeing as how no SG1 was on it. But from what iv read it was the Korolv so they probably did what Pendergass did on the Prometheus beamed off to other ships or something. I wanted Sam to just put in the crystal we open the super gate and BAM WE WIN. BUT NOO Of course the dumb ori have to dial in 2 minutes early and they send there dumb egg looking like ships through and blow the hell out of our fleet. Of at least 10 Hatak 1 asgard ship and 2 304s. Jesus 14-4 and we get our ass kicked lol! I hope we fine that Pendant and find somehow to get it to the Ori Galaxy and Vaporize them on there own plane of existance

Jumper One
March 10th, 2006, 05:07 PM
I know for a fact it wasn't the Odyssey, because the Odyssey gets in a fight with two Lucian Alliance motherships in the S10 premiere 'Flesh & Blood'. It gets damaged in that battle but doesn't get destroyed in that either!

It was the Korelev, because the spoilers say Carter radios it for survivors, Daniel reassures her he made it out okay.


I can't wait to see how they pull that one off! :)

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
March 10th, 2006, 05:07 PM
Slow in the beginning, but it was good and classic SG-1. Nice to see Daniel weilding a book like that, and Mitchell wasn't bad at all in this ep - although to be honest, I would rather have seen Valencia battle the Black Knight as opposed to him. Towards the back half, very, very good - nice pace, awesome effects, great to see Carter out there, doing what she does best (save the day), liked the stuff about Merlin's weapon.

Overall, great episode: ***1/2

saxamoophone
March 10th, 2006, 05:07 PM
Yeah, the second all the SG-1 team was off the ship i was like "it's soooo blowing up."

But come on guys, you can't blow up TWO frickin' earth ships in ONE season. That just ain't right!

Should make things interesting with the russians having the only ship now thouh (in our galaxy).

Earth needs to just make the alpha site a massive ship construction area. I'm sure with all this atlantis and asguard technology we now have, we have found ways to increase ship production A LOT (like replicated materials or some techy thing like that?)

bub_spark
March 10th, 2006, 05:07 PM
This has got to be one of the most suspense driven season finales ever!!!! I was in a state of OMG!!!

Also i don't believe that any of the SG1 members died. If any did, the best bet would be Teilk (IDK how to spell his name).

Kugo89
March 10th, 2006, 05:08 PM
Spoiler
That had to be the Odyssey. We jsut got our collective @$$ handed to us.

bitnine
March 10th, 2006, 05:08 PM
Danny rushed to the console before we saw one of the Earth ships blow up, so I would imagine that's him beaming out. I have to say, I am going to be sad if Checkov is dead.

I still like my friend's comment for stopping the supergate before hearing the real plan, "I know! Use a supersized iris!"

jstgmr17
March 10th, 2006, 05:08 PM
Is it me, or could the "allied" fleet have done a worse job at just sitting in front of the Ori's ship's one weapon? All of the "allied" ships are small and maneuverable. I'm just saying we could have put up a better fight, we still would have lost, but it would have been a better fight.

skrip00
March 10th, 2006, 05:08 PM
It'll take time. Time Earth doesnt have.

zatniketel
March 10th, 2006, 05:09 PM
Whichever ship it was, too many non Ori ships are now lost. Between Earth battle cruisers, Ha'tak's and an Asgard battleship, they were definitely getting their collective butts kicked. I sure as hell hope Daniel can find that weapon.

CKO
March 10th, 2006, 05:09 PM
i think this ep will be tyin into S10 season opener... there's so much that is left unspoken.

Bragi
March 10th, 2006, 05:09 PM
Wow.

Well, at least the 304's shields held up to several blasts from that main weapon. That's good to know.

It's also good to know the normal Ha'tak's stood no chance.... so we know that defensively, the 304's shields would have stood up against the Goa'uld. Now if we could just convince the Ori they had never heard of us and get the System Lords back together..........

Jumper One
March 10th, 2006, 05:10 PM
This has got to be one of the most suspense driven season finales ever!!!! I was in a state of OMG!!!

Also i don't believe that any of the SG1 members died. If any did, the best bet would be Teilk (IDK how to spell his name).


... You mean Teal'c? :)

MoebiusStrip
March 10th, 2006, 05:11 PM
HOLY CRAP!!!

The Korelev went boom...I mean come on...there has not been an episode with the Russians that they did not get KEELED over or screwed over....so no shock there.

I hope the Asgard ship escaped with its grey little behind intact.

A little slow, but the last 15-20 minutes was worth it.

But very very solid finale. 4/5.

MarshAngel
March 10th, 2006, 05:12 PM
That was good. Of course I don't see anything short of divine intervention getting them out of this one. And by divine I mean Ancient.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Arthur will be back...at least if the wisdom of the primitive but faithful over the technologically advanced but faithless should triumph... which it often does.

If this war keeps going this way we'll be out of ships in a minute.

The Ori weapons sound like drones. nice.

Veleiro
March 10th, 2006, 05:13 PM
Teal'c is with the lucian alliance. We did not see the fate of that ship.
Highlight spoiler

But the Odyssey is blown up.. no SG1 members on it

spg_1983
March 10th, 2006, 05:14 PM
Wow! A cliffhanger!?!? I didnt think SG-1 even remembered how to do that!! Ok Despite the problems I have had with this season that final battle redeemed it. Now as long as they don't frak it up next seasons premiere maybe SG-1 is on its way back? Dare I hope?

-So one shot from Ori ship = insta death for anything we can send against them? I think it is safe to say we are ****ed?

-I really like Kvasir, his (his? her? it?) sense of humor and wit is refreshing treatment for the team since most of the time they are talked to like they are gods and know everything and can do everything.

-The asgard send only one small ship? I know they are still rebuilding their empire, but its been almost 2 full years and with their manufacturing capabilities they would have been able to constructed a hell of a lot of ships by now. And its not like this is a threat that would be isolated to this galaxy. The Ori have now gotten a taste for expansion and if they did managed to take over this galaxy they are gonna eventually find out about the Asgard galaxy, especially since they have already revealed their prescence with the one ship. If they are going to commit themselves to the cause they could have made a full commitment.

Now the bits that bothered me.
-The Free Jaffa can only muster 6 or 7 Ha'tak? The goa'uld have thousands of them, even if they didn't get even most of them they should still have been able to muster a couple dozen at least.

-I still can not stand the Lucien alliance arc. It is ridiculous. If it was maybe a group of rouge Jaffa forming the "gang" then yes I could maybe believe it because they would be in position to seize the goa'uld ships as well as have the numbers and the training. But a bunch of human thugs forming a fleet? Where did they get the ships from? Where are the hundreds of jaffa that manned them?

Bragi
March 10th, 2006, 05:14 PM
Yup... looks like the spoiler leaks about Korelev's destructions were a red herring.

It's good to know the 304's shields could stand up to several direct blasts from that main weapon though. Had it ever come down to a Goa'uld fleet versus 304 fleet, we know that defensively we would've held our own.

Wraith_Hunter
March 10th, 2006, 05:14 PM
Spoiler
That had to be the Odyssey. We jsut got our collective @$$ handed to us.


From Flesh & Blood:

Elsewhere, the Earth ship Odyssey squares off against a group of Goa'uld motherships under the control of the Lucian Alliance, a group of criminals that have banded together to fill the power vacuum left by the Goa'uld ("The Ties That Bind"). The ship is damaged and key systems are offline, including the hyperdrive and the Asgard transporter. The Asgard Vasir works to repair it.

That must be a miracle, perhaps Jesus was an ascended ancient after all & he resurrected it! ;)

It was the Korelev, goto the S10 folder & read the spoilers for 'Flesh & Blood'/

JanusAncient
March 10th, 2006, 05:14 PM
The activation of the SuperGate was amazing! The Ori have arrived, the way they utterly destroyed most of the ships in their path. The Korolev is gone. Shall be layed down in the dust, I loved everything about this episode, except perhaps the weapon capable of cancelling out ascended beings, I still don't think a lowly human should be able to do this, but I'm willing to put this aside. It looked like Adria was coming, I will wait appropriately for the season premiere.

Another thing Katherine Isabelle, what a lovely girl!

Denanthor
March 10th, 2006, 05:15 PM
Season 10 Spoiler It is said in the episode Summary for the first episode of season 10 Daniel gets on board one of the Ori ships. It also says that Carter signals for any crew members of the Korolv Aparently destroyed by the Ori. So im assuimg it was the Koro that gets destroyed they just beamed off.

Dani347
March 10th, 2006, 05:16 PM
I thought maybe we could manage not have to hear the Ori preaching. I thought the episode would be all about them as Ancients and energy and gates and weapons and ships. But, they just had to put that part in at the end.

I should have seen it coming that the girl was going to pull the sword out of the stone when she was fencing with her brother. I kind of wish she had done some fighting of the black knight. I was surprised that no one seemed a little miffed off at a girl pulling the sword.

Okay, tptb? When you split up the team with Mitchell and Daniel going off and Sam and Teal'c going off, I want to see the two pairs together. Okay, Mitchell and Daniel were together, but couldn't Teal'c and Sam have a few scenes together before Teal'c ran off? And, why did he think the Lucian Alliance would be good allies? I suppose all the help you can get, but what made him think of them specifically?

I don't know the name of the Asgard that was there, but I thought it was funny that he was so snarky. "Really?"

Easter Bunny. Also funny.

I was scared when Daniel was talking with wet hair that they were going to have him with the glasses off the whole episode. It didn't look like it was raining. This leads me to conclude that I not only prefer Daniel in glasses, I prefer him with dry hair.

Okay, so is Sam floating in space? Did she go through the wormhole? Can people float around in space like that, even with the suits? I mean, don't you die or something?

Ugh. Flashbacks to season 8 episode where the solution was shooting the device.

No comment on the battle except I would have preferred that no message was sent through. Big sh*t blowing up space battles aren't my thing.

No surprise that they didn't find the weapon.

Tyanos
March 10th, 2006, 05:17 PM
I was in a state of OMG!!!

I... duh... I... uh.... eh.... I think I just soiled myself. July cannot come any faster.

Maybe the 'rebel' faction of the Ancients will accend those that died on the Oddesy or the Korlev? Who knows.

And now the cable signal is screwing up for Atlantis! Fnord!

ancientaction
March 10th, 2006, 05:18 PM
the ancients didn't help, if that answers anybodys questions, ONE asgard vessel is there, dozens of htaks. but the ancients didn't help, and that pisses me of

CKO
March 10th, 2006, 05:18 PM
screwed basically... but im wondering if it means that Merlin's weapon is perhaps on Atlantis... (ya never know)

Ludofjn
March 10th, 2006, 05:20 PM
why no asguard fleet and what about the orion?
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MoebiusStrip
March 10th, 2006, 05:20 PM
screwed basically... but im wondering if it means that Merlin's weapon is perhaps on Atlantis... (ya never know)

Ten Bucks says that the names that the guy said to Daniel in the temple are Stargate addresses or something to that nature.

Bragi
March 10th, 2006, 05:20 PM
Seeing as how the entire principle cast of SG-1 signed on for next season... no.... I don't think Teal'c, Mitchell, and Daniel are dead.

And I know what you mean Ancientaction........ but then again, I've hated the Ancients ever since they stopped Daniel from saving Abydos.

Dani347
March 10th, 2006, 05:21 PM
Oh, and did I mention?

BRUCE! BRUCE! BRUCE!

LOVED the cameo appearance!! LOL :D


Who is Bruce?

Ludofjn
March 10th, 2006, 05:22 PM
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MoebiusStrip
March 10th, 2006, 05:22 PM
Who is Bruce?

Bruce Campbell...you have to be a Evil Dead fan to get it.

CKO
March 10th, 2006, 05:23 PM
thats possible... but guess we'll find out when S10 begins... also was it just me or did it seem like Vala was about to go into labor.

Dani347
March 10th, 2006, 05:24 PM
If this war keeps going this way we'll be out of ships in a minute.



You promise?

mgehman
March 10th, 2006, 05:24 PM
Bruce Campbell...you have to be a Evil Dead fan to get it.
Where was he?

siXbrownSnakes2
March 10th, 2006, 05:24 PM
I think he's refering to Bruce Woloshyn, the VisFX Supervisor at Rainmaker. He was helping get sam's space suit on.

tony
March 10th, 2006, 05:25 PM
SPOILER FOR NEXT SEASON ASWELL





why are you all assuming that it was teh odey that was blown up? i thought the next season spoilers already said the odey has a fight with the lucian alliance and someone is searching for people that made it off the russian ship....... you dont have to say the ody was blown up because no SG-1 where on it.... mitchell said before it was blown up "I am going for the fighter bays... he and daniel probably got out on the fighters. the ody wasnt blowun up sorry :)

MoebiusStrip
March 10th, 2006, 05:26 PM
thats possible... but guess we'll find out when S10 begins... also was it just me or did it seem like Vala was about to go into labor.
In Season 10, she does go into labor and the child get rapidly aged...she (the child) is supposed to the leader of the Ori army for the purging of the galaxy

yaaayoubetcha
March 10th, 2006, 05:26 PM
crappy buildup to a great ending.

the whole camelot plot just seemed like an attempt to go with the theme of the season but didn't really achieve much.

while i like the whole Arthurian thing they tried this season, this seemed a bit of a flop.

the Ori supergate however, was pretty darn good. Always like a good space battle and the implied power of the Ori fleet was great. cool looking ships with what i assume is the power source shielded out in the open like that.

somebody above mentioned wolf 359, but it struck me more as a Dominion type a thing.

same effect.

for the most part found this season pretty bland....hopefully they pick it up a bit next season.

MoebiusStrip
March 10th, 2006, 05:27 PM
I think he's refering to Bruce Woloshyn, the VisFX Supervisor at Rainmaker. He was helping get sam's space suit on.
Usually Bruce Campbell does A TON of cameos so I think it was that, but I could be dead wrong. I have it recorded so I will watch it again after Atlantis.

lord O'neill
March 10th, 2006, 05:28 PM
holy **** i thought we will win. since we got so many ship we will kick their ass and my hope came up more when i saw a Asgard warship with us and teal'c brought in more ship we will win. [mod snip] WE DOOM HOW THE HELL WE CAN Defeat SOME ONE WITH THAT KIND OF FIRE POWER JUST 4 THE HAVE A FLEEET OF THOSE WE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WE LOST a SHIP already THE Odyssey NOOOOOOOO:eek:

Ote_4_T
March 10th, 2006, 05:28 PM
I think that the ancients while they didn't do a damn thing as a whole maybe a group of 2 or 3 of them helped uh-send (Spelling not my friend). Why because I need a hook.

The end.

siXbrownSnakes2
March 10th, 2006, 05:29 PM
Well it was the guy who did the tour of that one place in that one video posted here awhile ago... :D

Whichever bruce it is :)

jrd231
March 10th, 2006, 05:30 PM
Spoilers: highlight
Chew on this for a second, the best shot they had was the first Ori weapon being fired and the Korolve (sp?) and Odyssey shields (which are Asgard) held up and the H'atak vessel in the picture got toasted. We finally get a fair assessment of Asgard technology. The Asgard ship seemed to be holding up just fine as well, its' weapons just couldn't do any damage. It was flying around taking hits and shooting at the same time. As for toothless enemy, I don't think so anymore. It was just amazing to see earth ships, gou'ald ships, and asgard ships all working together.

ToasterOnFire
March 10th, 2006, 05:31 PM
I hope the Korlev didn't get destroyed - it would be an awfully convenient way to drop the Russian/Chinese Stargate conflict plotline.

MoebiusStrip
March 10th, 2006, 05:31 PM
Well it was the guy who did the tour of that one place in that one video posted here awhile ago... :D

Whichever bruce it is :)

Indeed...I am too busy watching Atlantis to actually go back and see which Bruce it is. :)

marlowe54
March 10th, 2006, 05:34 PM
I hope the Korlev didn't get destroyed - it would be an awfully convenient way to drop the Russian/Chinese Stargate conflict plotline.
Not really....there are plently of ways to keep the plotline alive. I am sure Season 10 will have its fair share of it, even if the K is destroyed.

walterIsTheMan
March 10th, 2006, 05:38 PM
Wow those Ori ships kicked our ***. It sucks that we lost the Korolev already. And wtf is with the Asgard sending only one ship?

I also don't see what good it's going to do even if they find the weapon to destroy the Ori. Even if they succeed, thats not going to stop the crusaders. They don't see the Ori all the time but they still worship them. Even if we kill the Ori that won't stop them from believing.

Wally West
March 10th, 2006, 05:39 PM
well i am both Scared AND Angry.

scared that the Ori are that powerful and Angry that we are that Weak.

and this is my First Post!

ToasterOnFire
March 10th, 2006, 05:40 PM
Eh, this ep was mostly a loooooooong and booooooring plotline with Merlin, magical knight holograms, swordfighting, and a pointless search for a weapon. And at the end they tried to cram in a space battle. The space battle and the supergate were great if a bit rushed, but pretty much everything else was meh. I was hoping for more action and suspense for a season finale.

I'm also getting tired of all the transporting. :S

keppiezbt
March 10th, 2006, 05:40 PM
another thing...i like how the asgard was like ooo well we figured it out lol..

it was good to know how the merlin device worked....

someone said we need divine intervention..ie ancients.....pretty much how it works now....i like it cause i like the ancients but i dont like it b/c its overly used

Uber
March 10th, 2006, 05:41 PM
Question.

How is it that Mitchell caught the sword? Wasn't it established in Avalon that only the one who pulled the sword can use it?

Lil Naitch
March 10th, 2006, 05:42 PM
Is it me, or could the "allied" fleet have done a worse job at just sitting in front of the Ori's ship's one weapon? All of the "allied" ships are small and maneuverable. I'm just saying we could have put up a better fight, we still would have lost, but it would have been a better fight.


With their first shot, the Ori disabled the engines on the Oddesy. They tried to get them back on-line, but were unable.

And why does everybody think the Korlev kicked? All the major cahracter were on that ship, while nobody of consequence was on the Oddesy.

ancientaction
March 10th, 2006, 05:44 PM
it really said that the only person who could use the sword is sombody 'pure of heart' both the girl and mitchel were that.

i really think that the ancients should have interveined, we made our stand. we don't want the ori here. thats something the ancients should help us with. at least, merlin should have interviend, (that is if he was still acended, or reacended.)

Uber
March 10th, 2006, 05:44 PM
Spoilers: highlight
Chew on this for a second, the best shot they had was the first Ori weapon being fired and the Korolve (sp?) and Odyssey shields (which are Asgard) held up and the H'atak vessel in the picture got toasted. We finally get a fair assessment of Asgard technology. The Asgard ship seemed to be holding up just fine as well, its' weapons just couldn't do any damage. It was flying around taking hits and shooting at the same time. As for toothless enemy, I don't think so anymore. It was just amazing to see earth ships, gou'ald ships, and asgard ships all working together.I thought that it was established in Ethon that Asgard shields were no match for Ori weapons though...

sindicate
March 10th, 2006, 05:46 PM
maybe the Satellite was 100X more powerful than the Ori Ships weapons are

unless the Prommie had older shields and they figured that was enough

Skydiver
March 10th, 2006, 05:54 PM
Question.

How is it that Mitchell caught the sword? Wasn't it established in Avalon that only the one who pulled the sword can use it?
who needs continuity????

it's overrated ;)

Lil Naitch
March 10th, 2006, 05:55 PM
It might be that the Prometheus had early generation Asgaurd shields, and the sataleite weapon was far more powerful than a ship, which would also require energy for life support, engies, and other basic systems.

NakedJehutyV2
March 10th, 2006, 06:00 PM
it's spelled korolev and pronounced as such.


looks like asgard upgraded 304 shields. so their won't have a problem.





i hope s10 ep1 will have an asgard fleet come in and at least damage one. then escape with survivors

Bthazor
March 10th, 2006, 06:01 PM
Just look how fast the ships fired, no major power up sequence (though that could have been based on makeshift parts in the satellite) the shots were probably weaker.

I guess I AM the only one who didn't see the Asgard ship fire even one shot and then run away (while taking direct fire it seemed).

NakedJehutyV2
March 10th, 2006, 06:05 PM
It might be that the Prometheus had early generation Asgaurd shields


that's what i've been saying all along. also all earth asgard shields are their older ones. prommie's were older

Bthazor
March 10th, 2006, 06:09 PM
that's what i've been saying all along. also all earth asgard shields are their older ones. prommie's were older

Thats nothing more than conjecture though. (as are most things on here, but I see you tend to state it as fact)

Erised
March 10th, 2006, 06:10 PM
...that was just.. WOW

siXbrownSnakes2
March 10th, 2006, 06:13 PM
And why does everybody think the Korlev kicked? All the major cahracter were on that ship, while nobody of consequence was on the Oddesy.

See season 10 spoilers.

kymeric
March 10th, 2006, 06:14 PM
How about we threaten to use the weapon on the ANCIENTS if they dont wipe out the ORI for us?

O'Neil
March 10th, 2006, 06:16 PM
Tonights "Camelot" episode was a waste of time in my opinion. I could have told everyone how it was going to end up. All the time spent looking for merlin's device, and they didnt find it, then the girl pulls the sword out of the stone, (why didnt mitchell grab it?), then it was VERY OBVIOUS that the earth ship and ha'taks were going to be no match for the ori ships.

Lets face it, earth has some pretty wimpy weapons and shields. I think its about time we get a new ship with better shields and massive weaponry. And the deal with carter getting stranded out by the supergate. I saw that one coming before it even happened.... but I guess the writers have to make it this way in order to leave us in suspense until the new season starts.

Oh well, perhaps season 10 will be different. :rolleyes:

Bthazor
March 10th, 2006, 06:20 PM
but I guess the writers have to make it this way in order to leave us in suspense until the new season starts.

Cliffhangers are not mandatory, but some writers seem to think so or just can't help themselves.

MarshAngel
March 10th, 2006, 06:25 PM
How about we threaten to use the weapon on the ANCIENTS if they dont wipe out the ORI for us?

Because in order for this weapon to work the element of surprise is necessary. We aren't exactly going to announce our plans to destroy them to the Ori. If we threaten the ancients we can't exactly stop them from just taking the weapon can we.... and besides, we're not that evil and hopefully not that dumb.

JastersLegacy
March 10th, 2006, 06:26 PM
Not bad for Evil Toilet Ships of Doom.....

Can't we just... like.... flush 'em?

lord O'neill
March 10th, 2006, 06:29 PM
this my second post in gateworld . i ****ing piss you right walteristheman the Asgard sending only one ship now they will get the report that their ship was destory and the International Oversight Advisory (I.O.A.) who cancle the 304 in the last episode will then decide to make more 304 which that will help them to defeat the :( are ori

npattis
March 10th, 2006, 06:31 PM
From the season 10 spoilers, it was the Korelev that was destroyed.

Amanda Eros
March 10th, 2006, 06:38 PM
Normally I'm completely pessimistic, but I will say this. I liked how they chose that girl to commit that selfless act, and because of that she was able to pull the sword from the stone. She didn't do it for herself, she did it for Cam, and that's the stuff that makes real good leaders.

edain
March 10th, 2006, 06:39 PM
The thing I had trouble understanding was the fact that the 'Good' guys(We'll call them that I guess) would stand there and take those shots from the Ori ships. I mean come, those beams were moving at half the speed of smell... Oh well it was a pretty wicked ending and I am looking forward to seeing how Atlantis plays into the whole situation. Bring bacl the slugs; at least we could beat them in mostly one episode...

Seastallion
March 10th, 2006, 06:40 PM
Wow..! :eek: That was a great episode..! :D

*cry* I can't wait to see the next season..!

It's gonna be so... :cool:

Down with the... :docianime09: :prioranime01: :prioranime01: :prioranime01: :prioranime01:

Dani347
March 10th, 2006, 06:45 PM
Normally I'm completely pessimistic, but I will say this. I liked how they chose that girl to commit that selfless act, and because of that she was able to pull the sword from the stone. She didn't do it for herself, she did it for Cam, and that's the stuff that makes real good leaders.


Okay. I was wondering what selfish act, but you mean pulling the sword in order to help Mitchell, right?

Skydiver
March 10th, 2006, 06:49 PM
Not bad for Evil Toilet Ships of Doom.....

Can't we just... like.... flush 'em?
lolol

Skydiver
March 10th, 2006, 06:50 PM
Normally I'm completely pessimistic, but I will say this. I liked how they chose that girl to commit that selfless act, and because of that she was able to pull the sword from the stone. She didn't do it for herself, she did it for Cam, and that's the stuff that makes real good leaders.
that was a nice surprise.

although i i half expected her name to be Joan ;)

ForeverSg1
March 10th, 2006, 06:51 PM
Well from what I could see going back through tivo there were...

Four Ori ships against the

Korolev
Odyssey
9 Gou'ald Vessels
1 Asgard Vessel
3 Lucien Alliance Vessels

and by the end of the episode four Gou'ald vessels, one Lucien Alliance vessel, and the Korelev were completely destroyed.

Like others have already said, the beginning of the episode was really slow to me and while the ending was exciting it just seemed too rushed. :(

Poor Sam, she just gets to float out there in space watching Earth's ships and their allies be massacred by the Ori. Talk about feeling completely useless. :(

Seshat
March 10th, 2006, 06:59 PM
I think he's refering to Bruce Woloshyn, the VisFX Supervisor at Rainmaker. He was helping get sam's space suit on.
Absolutely!! (see my sig)


Usually Bruce Campbell does A TON of cameos so I think it was that, but I could be dead wrong. I have it recorded so I will watch it again after Atlantis.
Yes, you are dead wrong. :p I was referring to Bruce Woloshyn.

And I'm a SHE. (gee whiz!) :D

Dani347
March 10th, 2006, 07:02 PM
Absolutely!! (see my sig)

I'm afraid your sig doesn't really help. So, Bruce is Bruce Woloshyn, and Bruce Campbell wasn't in the episode?

Seshat
March 10th, 2006, 07:13 PM
I'm afraid your sig doesn't really help. So, Bruce is Bruce Woloshyn, and Bruce Campbell wasn't in the episode? Sorry it's too subtle for you guys, but that's Bruce IN my sig. :P

I'm aware that not everyone here pays attention to the special effects guys who create the climactic space massacre you just witnessed, but I find their creativity and skills very impressive and am always delighted when the behind-the-scenes stars make cameos. ;)

MasySyma
March 10th, 2006, 07:15 PM
Tonight's episode was . . . unusual. I enjoyed parts of it and mocked parts of it, but the episode worked in a rather unusal way.

The Good:
I like that a girl was involved in the Arthurian tradition, and her support of the team was believable. I appreciate that nothing romantic was involved, and the episode showed SG-1 having to negotiate with other planets again.

The shot with Vala at the end was very nice. In fact, I missed her in this episode.

I enjoyed that the alien races of the galaxy finally came together to fight the Ori, and I enjoyed that unlike the somewhat easy victory of Lost City Part 2 Earth lost a bit and clearly has some weapon development to do.

The team dynamic wasn't great across all of the members, but when present, it was well done.

The Bad:

Episode Pacing--This episode was slow: dreadfully slow until the end. While it was a decent episode, I didn't like it as a season finale. This should be number 19, not 20. Everything in the episode was needed, but I didn't like the way Season 9 ended. It's a good season, so I would have liked a better send off.

Exploding consols and flying ensigns--The slow motion battle damage sequence brought out my saracastic side. If the Ori had said "We are the borg. Prepare to be assimilated," the flying no-name characters and interior explosions would have been worth it, but otherwise I wanted to see more of Carter's reaction to the space battle or maybe the fleet denting one of the Ori ships. A communication from Vala, obviously coded, would have been nice.

Carter in Space: What is up with that? While I understand why she is in space and I can accept that she needs to be there for some currently unknown plot device, I have a problem with her reaction. No tears, shreiks, nothing. She simply stares as Ori ships began kicking the fleet around. Sam has emotions, and this would have been a great place to demonstrate them.

Overall, the episode was a good, but not great. It didn't give the season a climatic note of finality. It set up a great arc so that the first episode of Season 10 should be fantastic, but for a finale, it wasn't the best. 8/10.

Peoples_General
March 10th, 2006, 07:22 PM
I think Sam just staring shows thats she's in a state of complete shock. She obviously has never seen a battle... excuse me... a MASSACRE, like that.

She was used to the thought of the Ha'Taks being powerful vessels. And now she sees them being obliterated in one shot.

Not to mention possible thoughts going through her mind like...
"How the f*** do we fight these guys???"

metroid
March 10th, 2006, 07:33 PM
It was the korelev that got hit, you can only get this from the season 10 spoiler so think before stating total bull****.

I thought it was rather dissapointing that they made the Ori ships pretty much invincible. We didn't even scratch their hulls.

Also they should have done more with the Merlin story, instead, we're left with nothing.

ForeverSg1
March 10th, 2006, 07:38 PM
PEOPLE STOP SAYING THE ODYSSEY WAS THERE. IT WASN'T THERE. THEY EVEN SAID IT COULDN'T COME BACK BECAUSE IT WAS STILL IN PEGASUS.

It was the korelev that got hit, you can only get this from the season 10 spoiler so think before stating total bull****.

I thought it was rather dissapointing that they made the Ori ships pretty much invincible. We didn't even scratch their hulls.

Also they should have done more with the Merlin story, instead, we're left with nothing.

Actually it was the Odyssey there. It believe it was the Daedalus that was still in the Pegasus galaxy. I don't think they would switch commanders of a ship and that was definitely the commander for the Odyssey.

Amanda Eros
March 10th, 2006, 07:39 PM
Okay. I was wondering what selfish act, but you mean pulling the sword in order to help Mitchell, right?

Maybe I should rephrase. Normally the boys of the village try to pull the sword out of the stone when they come of age. If it was your chance to do it, what would you have in mind. "Oh, if I pull this out that would be totally awesome for me!" And maybe in the back of their minds they would be thinking of Arthur coming back.

Now we know a good deal of Ancient technology opperates from the will of the individual controling it. Such as when Shepard asked for a scanning device in Rising, he got a scanning device.

Perhaps the Sword in the Stone had some sort of Ancient technology that could sence the state of mind the person pulling on it. She was likely thinking that he needed the sword and the device was able to sence that.

It's just a theory of course, most of what I say is, but I at least think it makes sence.

So yes, that was the selfless act. Not selfish.

metroid
March 10th, 2006, 07:41 PM
Actually it was the Odyssey there. It believe it was the Daedalus that was still in the Pegasus galaxy. I don't think they would switch commanders of a ship and that was definitely the commander for the Odyssey.

Oops!

Your totally right, i meant daedalus and typed odyssey

* edits post *

warmbeachbrat
March 10th, 2006, 07:41 PM
PEOPLE STOP SAYING THE ODYSSEY WAS THERE. IT WASN'T THERE. THEY EVEN SAID IT COULDN'T COME BACK BECAUSE IT WAS STILL IN PEGASUS.

Wasn't it the Daedelus in the Pegasus Galaxy?

thorshammer
March 10th, 2006, 07:42 PM
Really slow start, but when it got to the last 10 minutes, it was the best battle ever!!! My mind was totaly blown away :thoranime09:

Spin
March 10th, 2006, 07:44 PM
Wow.. just wow, this episode was one of the most intensive episodes i've seen in a very long time, .. Ive been watching SG-1 since day one and I must say I am very impressed in the battle scene at the end of this episode.. It left me speechless, Im eager as always for the upcoming season.. Well done! You guys yet again, have me hooked =]

Amanda Eros
March 10th, 2006, 07:46 PM
that was a nice surprise.

although i i half expected her name to be Joan ;)


:lol: That would have been funny. Though Joan was French, and Arthur was Anglo? The French didn't come over until 1066. Unless the legend is from after that, not sure...?

binkpmmc
March 10th, 2006, 07:46 PM
Normally I'm completely pessimistic, but I will say this. I liked how they chose that girl to commit that selfless act, and because of that she was able to pull the sword from the stone. She didn't do it for herself, she did it for Cam, and that's the stuff that makes real good leaders.

Maybe SHE can be the leader of SG1 next season - seems they will take anyone without any SGC or Gate or off-world, or ground combat experience so I say let her have it - it cannot be any worse . . . .

the fifth man
March 10th, 2006, 07:52 PM
I have to say, I definitely wasn't disappointed with this finale. "Camelot" was simply stunning. I'd give it three and a half out of four stars, no doubt in my mind. Cam was great, Daniel was great, etc. You get where I'm going with this.:D The battle scene at the end was just unbelieveable. I can't get over how extensive it was. I can barely get over the Ori dispatching with "our" ships so easily. I so can't wait to see this pick up next season. Bring on July.:)

Hatusu
March 10th, 2006, 08:03 PM
That space battle scene was supercalifragelisticexpialidocious! :D
Go Martin Wood! Go Bruce W!

Hatusu
March 10th, 2006, 08:06 PM
I so can't wait to see this pick up next season. Bring on July.:)
I wonder how long Carter can hold her breath? :P

the fifth man
March 10th, 2006, 08:07 PM
That space battle scene was supercalifragelisticexpialidocious! :D
Go Martin Wood! Go Bruce W!

I'll sure second that.:D It was something special.

the fifth man
March 10th, 2006, 08:07 PM
I wonder how long Carter can hold her breath? :P

Hopefully for four months.:)

Callista
March 10th, 2006, 08:08 PM
I wonder how long Carter can hold her breath? :P
Probably about 4 months.

(D'oh, Fifth Man beat me!!)

Astrofighter
March 10th, 2006, 08:10 PM
I wonder how long Carter can hold her breath? :P

A suit like that can have a tank of air that lasts well over 10 hours

Peoples_General
March 10th, 2006, 08:14 PM
Here's how the people/characters reacted when the battle happened...

Kvasir :thoranime09: Has his ship fly around and fire some shots... then RUNS. (smart move... albeit cowardly imo)

Sam :samanime24: was stunned when the gate activated and those massive Ori ships came through.

Teal'c :tealc44: and his Lucian Aliance "buddies" comes into the battle... like cows talking into a slaughter house.

Cam :cameron21: gets into fly-boy mode and hops on an F-302.... like those little vessels will do anything against the massive Ori ships.

Daniel :danielanime05: jumps onto a console. How he ends up on the Ori ship in S10 is beyond me.....

Meanwhile aboard the Ori ships....
:docianime09: :prioranime01: :prioranime01: :prioranime01: :hallowed:
*all together* "PWN3D!!!"

SylvreWolfe
March 10th, 2006, 08:14 PM
So at the end of Camelot you have the Ori ships kicking the snot out of the earth vessels and the Lucian Alliance. And Carter is floating around in space watching this battle.
So is this the end of Carter?
Could it be that they are going to kill off Carter so Vala will have a larger role in season 10?? I could so go for Vala having a real large role in season 10...that would so rock...

Hatusu
March 10th, 2006, 08:14 PM
Slow in the beginning, but it was good and classic SG-1. Nice to see Daniel weilding a book like that, and Mitchell wasn't bad at all in this ep - although to be honest, I would rather have seen Valencia battle the Black Knight as opposed to him. Towards the back half, very, very good - nice pace, awesome effects, great to see Carter out there, doing what she does best (save the day), liked the stuff about Merlin's weapon.

Overall, great episode: ***1/2
I agree. It felt odd that it wasn't Valencia. I was rooting for her.

majorsal
March 10th, 2006, 08:15 PM
watched the episode. it was alright. the last few minutes were more, whatever, but...

being as sam's my fave character, i liked the part where she went out in the space suit. kind of scary with her being stuck out there while all hell is breaking lose.

on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being best, i give this a 6. and *only* because i enjoyed the sam parts.

not a bad ep, just not great.

i guess this entire season has just been a let down of mammoth proportions for me, so to end... yeah, whatever.




sally :sam:

the fifth man
March 10th, 2006, 08:15 PM
So at the end of Camelot you have the Ori ships kicking the snot out of the earth vessels and the Lucian Alliance. And Carter is floating around in space watching this battle.
So is this the end of Carter?
Could it be that they are going to kill off Carter so Vala will have a larger role in season 10?? I could so go for Vala having a real large role in season 10...that would so rock...


Nah, Carter will be in Season 10. And probably some of season 3 of Atlantis. And that suits me just fine. Vala can fit in while still having Carter around. You see, I'm hoping for the best of both worlds.:D

SylvreWolfe
March 10th, 2006, 08:17 PM
Nah, Carter will be in Season 10. And probably some of season 3 of Atlantis. And that suits me just fine. Vala can fit in while still having Carter around. You see, I'm hoping for the best of both worlds.:D


That will work too. I just think Vala is such a breath of fresh air for a show that has been on this long...

the fifth man
March 10th, 2006, 08:18 PM
i guess this entire season has just been a let down of mammoth proportions for me, so to end... yeah, whatever.
sally :sam:

I'm really sorry to hear that. Personally, I thought this ep was a great ending to a great season. Hope you give next season a go.

the fifth man
March 10th, 2006, 08:20 PM
That will work too. I just think Vala is such a breath of fresh air for a show that has been on this long...

Oh, I won't deny that. Both Vala and Mitchell bring something new and special to this show. And since it was already special, they just make it that much better.:D

majorsal
March 10th, 2006, 08:21 PM
So at the end of Camelot you have the Ori ships kicking the snot out of the earth vessels and the Lucian Alliance. And Carter is floating around in space watching this battle.
So is this the end of Carter?
Could it be that they are going to kill off Carter so Vala will have a larger role in season 10?? I could so go for Vala having a real large role in season 10...that would so rock...


are you saying you *want* sam to be killed off so vala can take over the female lead role? please tell me you're not saying that.


sally :samanime24:

alaskannut
March 10th, 2006, 08:22 PM
Okay...veeeerrryyyyy long, slow beginning....but the last 15 minutes....

HOLY. MOTHER. OF. GOD.:eek::eek:

We are SO in it now

Of SG-1's gonna find the amulet and the world and all:p...but until then....:eek::eek:

Mitchell82
March 10th, 2006, 08:23 PM
All I can say is holly ****! I have loved every episode of season nine and this episode confirms why. The stat was a little bit slow but i still liked the Merlin story. It would have been too easy and quick to find an imidiate answer. I loved the whole magic beamy thing:cameron: Then wholy **** the Ori ships are so powerful we can't scratch them! Excelent ending for the season and in my opinion excellent season.
Bring on season 10!

Hatusu
March 10th, 2006, 08:27 PM
That's interesting. I did not like the first half of the season at all. I almost quit watching. I'm much happier with the second half.

NakedJehutyV2
March 10th, 2006, 08:29 PM
anyone here speak russian?

if so could ya post what was said during the russian dialog on KOROLEV?

esoap524
March 10th, 2006, 08:32 PM
I have to say, I definitely wasn't disappointed with this finale. "Camelot" was simply stunning. I'd give it three and a half out of four stars, no doubt in my mind. Cam was great, Daniel was great, etc. You get where I'm going with this.:D The battle scene at the end was just unbelieveable. I can't get over how extensive it was. I can barely get over the Ori dispatching with "our" ships so easily. I so can't wait to see this pick up next season. Bring on July.:)

I loved the "there's no magic" followed by, well, magic.

And that was quite the cryptic ending, wasn't it?

Again, Teal'c had the well placed lines that made me laugh.

Carter's doing a Crichton ('scapers will recall episode 4.11 mid season cliff hanger for reference).

And Vala's doing an Aeryn--SPOILER: is this really the best time to go into labor?

All in all, nice humor and action and suspense. Gives me something to look foward to, that's for sure!

Hatusu
March 10th, 2006, 08:40 PM
I just caught the battle scene again. This time I was more aware of the slow motion camera cuts between the ships' bridges. The music was rising. The outside space scenes were terrible and beautiful at the same time. It was almost operatic.

Peoples_General
March 10th, 2006, 08:43 PM
Niet.

Although, I was hoping to hear one of them scream...
"Svyataya khuya!!!" (holy {Mod Snip}!!!)

Famous
March 10th, 2006, 08:44 PM
New here, but I've been watching Stargate for a while now. I thought tonight's episode was a great ending to a very good season. I enjoyed the Daniel/magic lines, as well as Mitchell's swordfight with the Black Knight. The battle at the end was really, really awesome. One question - does anybody know if it was the Odyssey or the Korolev that we saw blow up at the end?

keshou
March 10th, 2006, 08:45 PM
Thought the first part was a bit slow - not a big fan of the Arthurian/Merlin trappings as they come off a bit hokey imo.

The last 10-15 minutes were pretty tense during the big space battle. The pacing and music really added to the suspense. Have to admit the Ori ships were more impressive than I thought they'd be. Great job by the special effects team.

Vala watching from the bridge reminded me of Londo Mollari in B5 - except of course he wasn't pregnant with a magical alien child. ;)

So lots of peril for our heroes. But I bet they'll all be back. :)

Peoples_General
March 10th, 2006, 08:48 PM
I think that the Kvasir on the Asgard ship wasn't just running away. He probably came by the Super-Gate to beam aboard Carter into this ship before fleeing the scene of the batt... I mean, massacre.

It pretty obvious. Kvasir would be concerned for his human colleague.

IMO, its about time the Asgard built a 3rd class of starship and call it "Samantha Carter Class". :D ;)

As for a "Teal'C class" Asgard ship.... maybe a large ship the size of a Hive or Ori vessel?

OMG! Kvasir stole Sam from Thor! So much for those Sam/Thor ship threads! LOL! :lol:

Stncold
March 10th, 2006, 08:49 PM
That was great, Awesome episode all around.

To whoever one of the early pages who was saying something about Daniel's hair being wet, there was water dripping off the roofs, so its safe to assume it had rained.

Easter bunny, haha. I think after 9 years we've learned that CJ has great comedic timing, why can't we see more of it?

MS did a great job at subtly showing Daniel's annoyance at the broken record Merlin.

Control crystal shooting seems to be becoming more and more popular, but its not neccessarily unwelcome.

Sam's shock at the massacre, great job AT.

John Noble and the girl who played Valencia were good.

One thing that would have been awesome to see in this episode but sadly wasn't there would have been for Odyssey+Korolev+Hatak's+Kvasir's ship to "focus fire" on one of the toilets. Who knows, maybe we would have even taken one of them out.

Waiting for S10.

alaskannut
March 10th, 2006, 08:50 PM
New here, but I've been watching Stargate for a while now. I thought tonight's episode was a great ending to a very good season. I enjoyed the Daniel/magic lines, as well as Mitchell's swordfight with the Black Knight. The battle at the end was really, really awesome. One question - does anybody know if it was the Odyssey or the Korolev that we saw blow up at the end?
The Korolev...Odyssey is mentioned several times in spoilers for next season

PugGate
March 10th, 2006, 08:51 PM
Okay, so is Sam floating in space? Did she go through the wormhole? Can people float around in space like that, even with the suits? I mean, don't you die or something?



Yeah, it's called cosmic rays. They're little protons moving at the speed of light and slice through your DNA.

So what was with the Black Knigt dude? He can kill the librarian dude, but Cam just gets shocked?

majorsal
March 10th, 2006, 08:52 PM
I think Sam just staring shows thats she's in a state of complete shock. She obviously has never seen a battle... excuse me... a MASSACRE, like that.

She was used to the thought of the Ha'Taks being powerful vessels. And now she sees them being obliterated in one shot.

Not to mention possible thoughts going through her mind like...
"How the f*** do we fight these guys???"


(((sam)))


my hero --> :sam59:




sally :)

JackGyver
March 10th, 2006, 08:55 PM
I'm too tired to give a proper run-down of the episode... just random thoughts.

Pretty disappointing. Didn't feel like a season finale, with the exception of parts of the space battle. I have a sinking feeling that the next episode is going to be full of cliched quick fixes. I hope they prove me wrong, though. And admittedly I was a little surprised by how it ended... Surprisingly anti-climactic, it just kind of fizzled. I don't like how vaguely it ended, either. It wasn't the worst of the season, but it's definitely not the best.

I'll keep this spoiler-free and vague, but I really hope they tie the season premiere into Atlantis.

Galilahi
March 10th, 2006, 08:57 PM
Loved it!! That battle OMG!! Amazing.

Valencia's hat bugged me.

Cam's battle with the Black Knight was great.

I kept waiting for john noble to light himself on fire.

can't wait for s10!!

sg1niner
March 10th, 2006, 08:57 PM
so.... the Ori are here.. (spoiler) the wraith are coming.. Sams hanging out in space.. and here we are waiting to meet our fate in July. ... good episode.. Cant wait for Season 10.

sgeureka
March 10th, 2006, 09:03 PM
So...

Unless I've missed something in other episodes, we still don't know what Alternate!Mitchell from Ripple Effect was referring to with "When the time comes... Cut the green one", right?

seinfeldsg1
March 10th, 2006, 09:03 PM
I cant believe the asgard sent only one ship into that battle, probably the gimpiest asgard ship Ive ever seen too. Its been an entire season since the replicators were destroyed, surly the asgards should have several "Oneil" class warships completed by now that should have been in that battle.

darman
March 10th, 2006, 09:03 PM
Yeah, it's called cosmic rays. They're little protons moving at the speed of light and slice through your DNA.

So what was with the Black Knigt dude? He can kill the librarian dude, but Cam just gets shocked?


That's the way he killed the librarian, with constant shocks.

TechnoBoY
March 10th, 2006, 09:04 PM
I kept waiting for john noble to light himself on fire.

I knew he looked familliar!!!! OMG!

Daniel shooting the control crystals seems really short sighted to me.

I hope they didnt kill Chekhov! One of my fav recurring characters! I hope we see more Russians next season!

I havent been this excited about SG1 in awhile!

Their fleet did seem pretty pathetic though. 1 Argard ship, 2 earth ships, and a couple of Hatak ships, everyone knew they would get pwned!

Famous
March 10th, 2006, 09:05 PM
The Korolev...Odyssey is mentioned several times in spoilers for next season



Hmmm, so what does that mean for Daniel? He was still onboard when it blew up, or it looked that way anyways

Bobthespirit
March 10th, 2006, 09:17 PM
Huh...

At this point, it's kind of like...

"Oh, look! Another massively overpowering force is hovering above us, about to unleash horrible godly wrath on us. Oh, whatever shall we do. Whatever shall we do. This is such a terrible thing. Nothing can save us now!

Wait! We just learned about some new weapon that kill the enemy! How fortunate we are to discover this new weapon just in time! We art saved!"

This is, frighteningly, starting to remind me of Power Rangers. The bad guys would start acting all menacing, and the good guys would obtain just enough power to fight back and win. Then, the bad guys would come back with an even more menacing power, and just then, the good guys would be given some new power that was strong enough to fight them. Later, rinse, repeat.

It's like the show is endlessly going through a cycle with a predictable course, and they've gone so far ahead in technology that the winner is determined by just whoever pushes the more powerful red button.

I may or may not watch season ten, depending on whether *anything* original happens in the premiere.

Pharaoh Atem
March 10th, 2006, 09:21 PM
one that confuses me sorry but at the end it looks like one of the earth ships get destroyed am i wrong or is this done on purposes to bug me till July grrrrrrr

great epsiode besides the above wording

carmon was great

and old style SG-1 episode with a season 9 twist

Thor 22
March 10th, 2006, 09:23 PM
First, what happened to them during the battle? There was like one shot of the ship fighting but it never showed them taking damage like they showed the jaffa and human vessels.

Second, Im pretty sure the Asgard didnt come to fight because they only sent one ship. I know they are sitll trying to get back on their feet from the replicators, but just one ship? Come on now.

Bragi
March 10th, 2006, 09:37 PM
You might want to throw a spoiler warning up in your thread title, dude.

Anyway, since you asked: Spoilers ahoy!

Kvasir was onboard Odyssey shortly before the battle began, and it's likely he was onboard during the battle. We see a BC-304 getting destroyed, since Sam was off the ship, Teal'c was onboard an Ha'tak, and Daniel and Mitchell were aboard Korelev, it's likely that Odyssey was destroyed.

If Kvasir was onboard, then he is now dead.

Kvasir's O'Neill was in the battle, and she didn't appear to take any damage, or be destroyed. It's likely that of all the ships in the battle, the O'Neill class ship was the only one to do any damage to the Ori vessels.

Since the battle was pretty much over as the episode came to a close (no more Ori main guns firing, and just a couple of Ha'taks blowing up) I would think that the Asgard ship was either destroyed, neutralized, or fled. Of course, season ten could open up with the resumption of the battle, the Asgard ship saving the day by beaming the survivors of the combined Earth, Jaffa, and Lucian fleet (including poor Sam stranded by the Supergate) aboard the O'Neill class ship and then getting the hell out of dodge.

Scyld
March 10th, 2006, 09:38 PM
I cant believe the asgard sent only one ship into that battle, probably the gimpiest asgard ship Ive ever seen too. Its been an entire season since the replicators were destroyed, surly the asgards should have several "Oneil" class warships completed by now that should have been in that battle.

O'Neill class vessel:

http://www.stargate-tech.net/pagepics/oneillfire.jpg

Asgard ship seen in the season 9 finale:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8756/image03040215tv5187ah.jpg

That WAS an O'Neill class warship in the battle, dude.

Spin
March 10th, 2006, 09:40 PM
Niet.

Although, I was hoping to hear one of them scream...
"Svyataya khuya!!!" (holy {Mod Snip}!!!)

lol nice

Scyld
March 10th, 2006, 09:41 PM
I cant believe the asgard sent only one ship into that battle, probably the gimpiest asgard ship Ive ever seen too. Its been an entire season since the replicators were destroyed, surly the asgards should have several "Oneil" class warships completed by now that should have been in that battle.Anyway, even though the asgard sent in their gimpiest ship, it didnt look like the ori weapon was haveing much of an effect on it the way it was when tearing through the other ships, my guess is that in the season 10 premier, the asgard ship is probably still out there and more than likely beamed all the important characters to safty.
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That WAS an O'Neill class warship in the finale of season 9.

verbalkint
March 10th, 2006, 09:42 PM
I loved Teal'c showing his aggitation and annoyance with Cam's overconfidence. He didn't even try to hide his displeasure. Is it just me or was it completely stupid and out of the storyline for Merlin to hide treasure in his chamber when that was actually where he worked on his science projects. There wasn't even a legend for the townspeople to chase about treasure.

Another observation I had was holy crap those Ori ships did not look that frickin' huge in "Crusade". Dare I say it but I think a trip to the MW galaxy by the Wraith is the only thing aside from the Ancients destroying the Ori fleet that can save our tails. Let the Wraith come in mass and fight the Ori and then we do battle with them would be the best course of action.

Remembering the earth ships shields standing no chance versus goual'd weapons brings a smile to my face when I sit and remember the scene where the earth ships deflect the first Ori shot for the most part while a hatak gets blown up.

Why didn't we copy the plans for the Ori space satellite weapon on that planet in Ethon while we were on friendly terms with the new leader of the government before there was a nuclear war eliminating them as an ally?

Good God Sam, she was just stuck on the side of the supergate in disbelief over the slaughter she was witnessing.

Final thoughts: It was SO hilarious seeing the single Asgard ship speeding around looking like it was dropping depth charges on the Ori ships then zooming away. At least they were smart enough to actually try and avoid direct shots--have we not learned anything from ETHON?--and why in the heck was the entire galaxy looking for the supergate but only 9 hataks show up? It should have been literally hundreds of ships awaiting the 1st wave of Ori ships. Why in the hell did homeworld security wait until now to start rushing ships into production. They already knew the Ori were coming so they should have went to full production mode and cranked out at least 3 more ships by now. Overally the ending has served its purpose and wet my appetite for season 10.

seinfeldsg1
March 10th, 2006, 09:43 PM
I dont think so, they showed a shot of it right next to the tauri ship and a few pyramid ships and it looked like it was the same size. It should have been MUCH bigger than that if it was an oneil class ship.

Scyld
March 10th, 2006, 09:44 PM
Look at the two photos. See also that they were probably not all seen at the same distance from the Ori ships. Perspective can be tricky in space.

Peoples_General
March 10th, 2006, 09:47 PM
That WAS an O'Neill class warship in the finale of season 9.

He probably hasn't seen any of the earlier season episodes. The O'Niell Class ships are about as large as the Ha'Taks. So both the Ha'Taks, O'Niells, and of course our little BC-304s would look like fighters compared to the massive Ori starships.

seinfeldsg1
March 10th, 2006, 09:49 PM
I dont know the oneill class warship looked much bigger the 1st time it was introduced but in this last episode it didnt look any bigger than a gould mothership, thats what made me think maybe it was something else...

Kanten
March 10th, 2006, 09:57 PM
While we're on the topic of the Asgard, was anyone else kinda disappointed it was Kvasir joining the fight instead of Thor? One would think he would be the first to volunteer to help MW in the fight.

Actually, wasn't this the first season of SG-1 that Thor hasn't appeared in? If you include holo-Thor from S1 that is. I miss that little guy.

-Major Woody
March 10th, 2006, 10:02 PM
The Korolev...Odyssey is mentioned several times in spoilers for next seasonYeah, and the writers have NEVER changed the storyline between the time the episodes are pitched and the time they are actually filmed, or given false clues to keep plotlines a secret. :rolleyes:

My observations and opinions:

(Are spoiler tags necessary for scenes in an episode in a thread dedicated to that episode? If you haven't seen the episode and don't want to be spoiled, don't click on the episode's thread.)

1. The Odyssey was destroyed, not the Korolev.

No members of SG-1 were on the Odyssey. Mitchell never made it to a 302, and Oma can't save Daniel's ass this time, she's busy.

2. The Asguard ship didn't run from battle.

It most likely made a strafing attack towards the gate so it could beam Carter aboard. Getting closer should help them get a lock on her.

3. Carter is perfectly fine in her spacesuit.

It's a suit designed to be used in space. Unless she gets hit by a stray shot, she should be OK until she is rescued.

4. The Ancients can't help fight the Ori fleet.

They are committed to non-interference in the affairs of lower beings (mortals.) The Ori ships are crewed by humanoid warriors and commanded by Priors (who are still mortal, despite being given advanced powers.)

Plot holes:

1. How did they know which side of the supergate was the front side?

2. How did they know the exact design of the supergate's control crystals?

Answers to these questions and more when season 10 premieres in 16 weeks or so.

Auralis
March 10th, 2006, 10:02 PM
You are roight, from the size it looked not like a O'Neill, just from the shape of it.
A real O'Neill also fires other weapons as seen in new order.

j619pinoy
March 10th, 2006, 10:09 PM
That did not look like an O'Neil class ship. It looks like a plain old Asgard ship to me. I'm sure since the Asgard are rebuilding their civilization they would still use their older ships and not completely switch over to the 0'Neil class right away.

BTW...I think the Vasir guy ran! Did any of you see the ship get destroyed?

Astrofighter
March 10th, 2006, 10:11 PM
1. The Odyssey was destroyed, not the Korolev.

No members of SG-1 were on the Odyssey. Mitchell never made it to a 302, and Oma can't save Daniel's ass this time, she's busy.
Plot holes:

1. How did they know which side of the supergate was the front side?

2. How did they know the exact design of the supergate's control crystals?

Answers to these questions and more when season 10 premieres in 16 weeks or so.

Here i'll give you a link to prove to you that the Odyssey was not destroyed.

Beware though it leads to spoilers about season 10's first episode but it gives you absolution on which ship was destroyed.

http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s10/1001.shtml

Half way down in the answer and explanation you seek. We already know that the 304 can beam its crew off the ship very quickly. Also we know the Alterans had teleportation tech, not sight to sight, but given 10,000 more years...no reason why the Ori dont have it and found daniel on the ship and beamed him to the one that vala is on.

For your questions about the gate, they have an asgard ship with super advanced scanners on it...a race that knows every single little thing about stargates and any variations...you dont think they can figure out the front from the back?

verbalkint
March 10th, 2006, 10:12 PM
But the question is how? Both ships engines were disabled thats why they couldn't retreat. That is the one question i'm anxious to see answered in the season 10 premiere.

GoVols
March 10th, 2006, 10:20 PM
No way, it showd the Asgard ship for tonights episode next to one of our ships and it was the same size, perhaps a little smaller. I remember an episode earlier where the Promethious (whitch is similar size to the Odesy) was fit inside of the cargo bay of an O'neal class ship. This was in essence a "shuttle craft" for the Asguard. Perhaps they wanted to see the capabilities of these ships before commiting one of their premier ships to battle.

Kanten
March 10th, 2006, 10:25 PM
I remember an episode earlier where the Promethious (whitch is similar size to the Odesy) was fit inside of the cargo bay of an O'neal class ship.

When was that? :confused:

Akai
March 10th, 2006, 10:27 PM
Yeah, it's called cosmic rays. They're little protons moving at the speed of light and slice through your DNA.

So what was with the Black Knigt dude? He can kill the librarian dude, but Cam just gets shocked?

Sorry to nitpick here...but cosmic rays are not just protons. Cosmic rays are really a mixture of many kinds of radiation, both EM and particle. Protons are matter, which means they cannot travel at the speed of light (however in space they do commonly get to about 90% of it). After visible light, the spectrum goes to UV, then X-rays, then gamma rays. The extremely high frequency means they can pass through almost anything, but because of that they also have very little impact on the matter they do pass through. It takes a LOT of EM to actually do any damage because of that. Cosmic rays are basically a mixture of high energy particles from stars, X-rays and gamma rays (also from stars), and other things like neutrinos. On Earth's surface, the atmosphere stops most of it, in space there is no protection at all from radiation. The particle radiation from stars (very high energy protons, neutrons, and electrons, this is usually referred to as the "solar wind") obviously cannot go the speed of light, the "solar wind" is usually around 90% of the speed of light. The EM components all go the speed of light. Space suits do provide some protection, but extended exposure can still be dangerous, which is why we haven't found a way to get people to Mars safely yet. The extended time in space would cause a lot more radiation exposure than is considered safe. Astronauts have to deal with much higher radiation levels than the natural background here on Earth. Even with the protection of space suits and the spacecraft, radiation levels of about 100x the natural background levels on the planet's surface are common. While staying a few days or a week in space is not enough to cause any serious effects, a long stay of months can be, since radiation effects are cumulative. The best way to describe cosmic rays is to say that it is the "background" radiation in space, with no atmosphere or anything else to provide any shielding. The background radiation on the surface of Earth is MUCH lower because particle radiation is either diverted by the magnetic field or stopped by the atmosphere if the magnetic field doesn't stop it. The magnetic field has no effect on EM, however the atmosphere blocks the vast majority of this as well. Incidentally, a 50,000 ft flight in an aircraft also causes much increased radiation exposure compared to the natural background levels on the surface. But it's not enough to cause any issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_rays

seinfeldsg1
March 10th, 2006, 10:27 PM
No way, it showd the Asgard ship for tonights episode next to one of our ships and it was the same size, perhaps a little smaller. I remember an episode earlier where the Promethious (whitch is similar size to the Odesy) was fit inside of the cargo bay of an O'neal class ship. This was in essence a "shuttle craft" for the Asguard. Perhaps they wanted to see the capabilities of these ships before commiting one of their premier ships to battle.

Im definantly in agreement here, the asgard ship tonight, It may have resembled an oneill class ship in looks only, but it was WAY too small to be one.

wilhil
March 10th, 2006, 10:31 PM
I am honestly wondering if it was the Odyssey and not the other ship that was destroyed

The only info we have otherwise is one text excert, and we may have seen some amazing weapons, ships, supergates and more from the ori, but we have not yet seen beaming technology, although not saying this is not possible, it is however likly if they possessed it, to get up to the 'city of the gods' they would use it instead of rings... so how could they of got daniel and mitchell out..

personally from watching to much sci fi and taking the warnings on the site where it says spoilers can change, I think it is was the Odyssey that was destroyed, as there are no characters on there that could be re occuring, and unless they are killing checkov? off and they managed to get a nocked out mitchell, and daniel out.... it just seems unlikly, and frankly if they are willing to say in a spoiler, I am suprised there was not a inside shot going bright of the ship being destroyed a.k.a. prometheus, and some other things in stargate..

Anyway, and whatever it was, I can not wait for the start of the next series! :)

AcuraTL
March 10th, 2006, 10:37 PM
First off, Earth should of known what was comming. The Prometheus was destroyed by a single Ori satellite weapon made from technology less advanced than earth. They could atleast somehow steal the satellite and study its shield and weapons technology.

Second, was it just me or was the ori ships weapon slow? I mean its powerful and all but the shot took a while before it actually hit. With this in mind, im pretty sure all our vessel are pretty fast and can dodge the shots. And we all know moving target are harder to hit.

Third, how in the world did our shots miss the ori HUGE vessel. In the begining of the battle, it showed several shots missed and yet we are able to target certain area of the Ha'tak vessel. They should of beamed a gate buster nuke near the ori vessel and let if off.

Forth, I kinda find it hard to believe that they couldnt destroy the gate because carter removed a panal with her bare hands.

Fifth, Sucks for the russians. Thier first mission with thier first vessel and it gets destroyed. funny ****

Imgnryflagdotcom
March 10th, 2006, 10:59 PM
I don't think that was an Oneil class ship, I think it might be a daniel jackson class. I think the asgard should've sent more ships, I mean, if it takes them like 2 minutes to get to our galaxy, the we could've sent a message asking for more ships.

But I wonder what happened to the ships that didn't get blown up...

The ship that was destroyed (304) was the Korelev

I bet that the asgard (What's his name again? Ksavir or something?) turned tail and ran, so did the Lucian Alliance.

Hawaii_Boy_808
March 10th, 2006, 11:04 PM
Here are some pics of the O'nell Class WarShip.


http://photobucket.com/albums/f239/Hawaii_boy_808/th_untitled20.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f239/Hawaii_boy_808/untitled20.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/f239/Hawaii_boy_808/th_untitled19.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f239/Hawaii_boy_808/untitled19.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/f239/Hawaii_boy_808/th_untitled18.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f239/Hawaii_boy_808/untitled18.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/f239/Hawaii_boy_808/th_untitled17.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f239/Hawaii_boy_808/untitled17.jpg

j619pinoy
March 10th, 2006, 11:12 PM
Yeah... looks like it really was an O'Neil class ship that eventually turned tail...poor Asgard. Well, better to have gotten away than to be turned into a firecracker.

NotAscended
March 10th, 2006, 11:17 PM
Forth, I kinda find it hard to believe that they couldnt destroy the gate because carter removed a panal with her bare hands.


The problem was she didn't have her P90. As Daniel demonstrated, all you have to do is shoot the control crystals to break something. :)

Kanten
March 10th, 2006, 11:18 PM
I don't think that was an Oneil class ship, I think it might be a daniel jackson class.

Daniel Jackson class:

http://www.stargate-tech.net/pagepics/djsmall.jpg


That did not look like an O'Neil class ship. It looks like a plain old Asgard ship to me. I'm sure since the Asgard are rebuilding their civilization they would still use their older ships and not completely switch over to the 0'Neil class right away.


Beliskner class:

http://www.stargate-tech.net/pagepics/belshield.jpg


The original "massive" O'Neill

http://www.stargate-tech.net/pagepics/oneillsmall.jpg


That one isn't exactly what I'd call massive in comparison to the one in Camelot. When shown in the terrestrial atmosphere, it's of course going to look massive with all the smaller structures nearby. Remember how much bigger Prometheus would look when it wasn't in space?

Just a little more comparative evidence. It was definitely an O'Neill in the battle.

j619pinoy
March 10th, 2006, 11:22 PM
Sorry...I meant the episode CAMELOT.

Damn, the ending to season 9 was a total curve ball. I never would have expected the season to end like this. After all the speculation going around on this forum, I thought I had an idea as to how it was going to end but I was way wrong.

So this so called..."We lose an ally but gain an ally..."

Who did we actually lose as an ally?

Kanten
March 10th, 2006, 11:23 PM
The only one I can really think of is the Sodan, though we didn't have them for very long.

Enva
March 10th, 2006, 11:26 PM
Wow that battle sequence was cool, would have loved some more asgard ships. Hopefully the first ep of season 10 will resolve some of the loose threads regarding the effectivness of the fleet's weapons and exactly the status of the asgard ship ie damage etc. At least then we know if there is any chance of fighting untill they find the ancient weapon.



Btw Hatusu I love your signature. I always wanted to see Hatshepsut put in the series as a goauld, given how early historians viewed her, plus mysterious death ;)

RealmOfX
March 10th, 2006, 11:36 PM
Bait the hook.....

Reel them in .....

2ndgenerationalteran
March 10th, 2006, 11:39 PM
i have no idea how mitchel tealc and daniel made it out of this one, and i'll mis chekov

ideadman
March 10th, 2006, 11:42 PM
You might want to throw a spoiler warning up in your thread title, dude.

Anyway, since you asked: Spoilers ahoy!

Kvasir was onboard Odyssey shortly before the battle began, and it's likely he was onboard during the battle. We see a BC-304 getting destroyed, since Sam was off the ship, Teal'c was onboard an Ha'tak, and Daniel and Mitchell were aboard Korelev, it's likely that Odyssey was destroyed.

If Kvasir was onboard, then he is now dead.

Kvasir's O'Neill was in the battle, and she didn't appear to take any damage, or be destroyed. It's likely that of all the ships in the battle, the O'Neill class ship was the only one to do any damage to the Ori vessels.

Since the battle was pretty much over as the episode came to a close (no more Ori main guns firing, and just a couple of Ha'taks blowing up) I would think that the Asgard ship was either destroyed, neutralized, or fled. Of course, season ten could open up with the resumption of the battle, the Asgard ship saving the day by beaming the survivors of the combined Earth, Jaffa, and Lucian fleet (including poor Sam stranded by the Supergate) aboard the O'Neill class ship and then getting the hell out of dodge.


I agree w/ you however
I dont think the asguard ship was destroyed because that would be a huge event and it would be shown during the ep. I figure the first ep of season 10 it will swoop in and pick up the remaining characters from teal'cs ha'tak, odyssey, and sam.

Nintendos-neutrinos
March 10th, 2006, 11:42 PM
Kinda reminded me of the Wolf 359 battle with the Borg in ST:TNG

A little more pathetic of a fleet this time around, though.

The Ori ship weapons have a long recharge time - you'd think the smaller ships, esp the Hat'aks, would be able to outmaneuver them. Oh well, not like their pea shooters could mess with the seemingly impenetrable shields.

Good thing Carter didn't get caught in the supergate Kawoosh, that's one heck of a vortex. Kinda silly she can just remove the panel and plug in a jerry-rigged crystal (with the Asgard never actually seeing a supergate component)

ideadman
March 10th, 2006, 11:46 PM
i have no idea how mitchel tealc and daniel made it out of this one, and i'll mis chekov


I really think it was the Odyssey since there were no main characters aboard that ship.

ForcedToRegister
March 10th, 2006, 11:48 PM
Kind of drawn out but overall an enjoyable episode...except for the very minor fact that less than a minute in and the writters managed to hit up a lil pet peeve of mine =( "Begs the question" does not mean "raises the question" (if you're interested http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question )

Looks like lots of stuff is going to blow up season 10 =)

2ndgenerationalteran
March 10th, 2006, 11:50 PM
youve gotta be kidding the asgard would take heavy losses before they take 1 ori ship down. seems as if the 304s could take 2 hits the asgard can probably take a total of 4. but their fire seemed to be quite solid on the ori ships, id say if they have sublight capabilities they could be a nuisance being that the ori ships primary weapon is fixed and the whip would have to turn to fire, we'd have to be the small kid who runs around the bully, except we would shoot at them but wed take 2ndary fire

2ndgenerationalteran
March 10th, 2006, 11:51 PM
i agree, sad though we loose 2 ships in 1 season, if you count the one we gave to the rusians then 3, its so sad

2ndgenerationalteran
March 10th, 2006, 11:57 PM
dont we love how thats all we remember or other langs?

gatelover12
March 11th, 2006, 12:01 AM
Ask Tracy Jane, or perhaps Gen Blue. *nodnod*

Peoples_General
March 11th, 2006, 12:11 AM
Not really (about learning languages), the first phrase in Russian I taught myself to speak was...
"Ya tebya lyubliu."

It's not cuss word or phrase, infact those are terms of endearment. ;)

Peoples_General
March 11th, 2006, 12:15 AM
Lost ally = Col. Chekov on the Korelev, which was destroyed
Gained ally = Lucian Alliance, whom we get on our side as cartels aren't into bowing before the Ori

Peoples_General
March 11th, 2006, 12:16 AM
It's the Korelev that gets hit...

gatewonderer114
March 11th, 2006, 12:18 AM
I didn't get to see the first 30 mins of it, but the last 30 minutes, WOW!!! I love the ending, everything just blowing up and Sam is out there watching along with Vala. Season 10 is going to rock.

Lieutenant Colonel Davis
March 11th, 2006, 12:19 AM
Everyone thinks the Odyssey bit the dust. I am going to spell this out for you, plain and simple.

Trace over with mouse
The Korelev Bit The Dust!!!!!

Zeppan
March 11th, 2006, 12:28 AM
SPoilers

From all looks of it, it looks like it was the odyssey since they basically couldnt manouver without sublights....

But as said somewhere else i believe that the main argument that it was the koralev that was mashed.. is because Odyssey appears in future episodes(am i correct??)

2ndgenerationalteran
March 11th, 2006, 12:32 AM
then how does Daniel and Mitchel survive?

Lieutenant Colonel Davis
March 11th, 2006, 12:32 AM
SPoilers

From all looks of it, it looks like it was the odyssey since they basically couldnt manouver without sublights....

But as said somewhere else i believe that the main argument that it was the koralev that was mashed.. is because Odyssey appears in future episodes(am i correct??)
You are correct. In the season ten section you find this (http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s10/1001.shtml) and it says Carter was radioing to see if anyone surived the Korelev mis-hap.

Cecil Brax
March 11th, 2006, 12:39 AM
Hey There Everyone,

First Posts are fun. Actually signed up because it wont let me browse as a Guest.

Anyone want to give a little bit of a detailed rundown on the Episode? Heard alot, but I havn't gotten a chance to watch it yet. Darn work and being moving.

Thanks!

- Joe

Sancus
March 11th, 2006, 12:44 AM
Personally I think it's a rather unfortunate decision. It would have been a very interesting dynamic to have the Odyssey destroyed and to have Earth's primary ship crewed by the Russians.

At this point, having it be destroyed so soon after making a major plot point about the Russians getting the ship in exchange for continuing the Stargate contract is kind of a cop out. The move really "shook things up" on the international front, showing that the Russians are a force and really do care about getting their fair share of Stargate-related technology, and now we're just back to the same ol' with the Americans controlling all the ships available to Earth.

It's disappointing, I tell you.

Zeppan
March 11th, 2006, 12:46 AM
You are correct. In the season ten section you find this (http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s10/1001.shtml) and it says Carter was radioing to see if anyone surived the Korelev mis-hap.

well everything does seem a bit wierd now that i read that......

In the description

SPOILER

:::::::::::::..it says that the odyssey squares of AGAINSt a few ships of the lucian alliance which makes little sense? since they basically just fought side by side....


Anyway i think we need to aknowledge that it matters little which ship was destroyed really....

we know more or less for a fact that all characters will most likely survive... Either beemed off in last second by the Asgaard or maybe even the ORI for unknown purposes.....

We might argue that the koralev is under russian control but in the episode i saw absolutely no problems in cooperation and the russians did whatever Daniel and mitchell asked them to do without questions...



What i do want to comment on(dont know if this is the right place) is the Ridiculous Size of the Ori ships...If we look right after the sequence where odysseys captain is informed that they have lost Sublight engines... We can see that the Size of the ori ships compared to the COMBINED size of the whole fleet is vast... One Ori ship is basically the size of like 10 hattacks if not more...i mean i would expect more of a technological superiority of the ORI to win this battle... but in this case it seems to be the simple fact of SIZE DOES MATTER rather than the technological advancement... i mean fine they have a Super gun.. but whats from stopping all the other races from building an equally large gun.. just build a ship but make Everything bigger...

Sencerd
March 11th, 2006, 12:52 AM
then how does Daniel and Mitchel survive?

They went on the 302's ;)

2ndgenerationalteran
March 11th, 2006, 01:00 AM
what proof do we have?

Peoples_General
March 11th, 2006, 01:01 AM
Forth, I kinda find it hard to believe that they couldnt destroy the gate because carter removed a panal with her bare hands.

Because the SuperGate itself is made of indestructable (unless against exploding singularity) material. As for the panel.... well the Asgard sensors detected it. Last time I checked Asgard were more advanced than the Goa'uld/Jaffa.

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What annoyed me about the Lucian Alliance is how they sent about 3 ships, when a few scenes before the battle, they had a LARGE fleet of Ha'Taks and Al'Keshes. IMO, they should've sent more ships.

Heck, Netan the Lucian Alliance leader was with Teal'c. If he wants to survive, he should've sent in more ships.... for a bigger slaughter-fest for the Ori. But at least the more targets, the more chances for Netan's Ha'Tak (w/ Teal'c aboard) to escape.

Peoples_General
March 11th, 2006, 01:28 AM
The Oddyssey had its engines damaged and were basically stuck floating around. Whereas the Korelev was still able to move around. Correct me if Im wrong, but I think the BC-304 looked like it flew into those Ori beams, which means its moving.

GTA Trans Am man
March 11th, 2006, 01:29 AM
hello people i'm new here....anyways from what i've read of the season 10 spoilers..................it was the Korelev that gets destoryed and not the Odyssey and some how daniel and the rest of the crew of the korelev gets beamed aboard one of the ori shipsbut anyways in my opinion this was a great EP.....as soon as i seen the Ha'tak ships getting wiped out with one or 2 blast from the ori ships and the earth ships lasting longer then the Ha'tak ships my jaw droped......

Lieutenant Colonel Davis
March 11th, 2006, 01:33 AM
They went on the 302's ;)
Danny boy was on the bridge, cam was near the fighter bay.

BigBadBob
March 11th, 2006, 01:37 AM
big ships. very big ships.

Fox McCloud
March 11th, 2006, 01:40 AM
Has anyone got the picture of the Prometheus infront of Thors O'Neill ?
It looked bloody huge then!

reddyj31
March 11th, 2006, 01:52 AM
You know what's great...is we all really don't know what happened....I can't wait until July to see what the H%ll happens next.

I loved how Vala was on one of the Ori ships basicly flipping her wig.

I love Tivo....I am going to watch it again and see if I can find all the things everyone was talking about.

Im pissed the season ended...:-)

Sencerd
March 11th, 2006, 01:56 AM
Danny boy was on the bridge, cam was near the fighter bay.

Well either that or they beamed off, theyre not gonna be dead are they, so they got off somehow

Peoples_General
March 11th, 2006, 01:57 AM
Has anyone got the picture of the Prometheus infront of Thors O'Neill ?
It looked bloody huge then!

It's the first pic in Hawaii_Boy's post.

Peoples_General
March 11th, 2006, 02:00 AM
That scene with Vala kinda reminded me of a scene in Babylon 5 where Londo was watching his people used Mass Drivers to bombard a planet.

Kanten
March 11th, 2006, 02:04 AM
The Oddyssey had its engines damaged and were basically stuck floating around. Whereas the Korelev was still able to move around. Correct me if Im wrong, but I think the BC-304 looked like it flew into those Ori beams, which means its moving.

I think both 304's were unable to move. Chekov stated that the Korelev had lost power, so it was likely to be floating around too. Either way, I'm going to hate seeing either ship go, especially if the CO goes with it. Chekov's been around so long, and I was just starting to like Emerson, and think he should get more than just two appearances. Losing Pendergast is enough for one season. :(

Wish they would've at least shown us which 304 it was that got hit, but I think the writers intentionally did that to us.

JanusAncient
March 11th, 2006, 02:04 AM
I just noticed that the kawoosh was no ordinary kawoosh, it was like a flame reaching out. Carter said that with the singularity they could maintain a wormhole almost indefinitely, now will not the Ori be able to do the same thing, and prevent them from sending the Ancient weapon through. Something else, did the Ori know that they were going to dial the SuperGate, because almost immediately after that crystal was installed, the SuperGate came to life.

reddyj31
March 11th, 2006, 02:11 AM
The picture is out of context...from the picture the Asgard ship is directly in front of the camera....you cant tell how far back the Prometheus is.

It's hard to judge ship sizes in a 3 dimensional landscape.

Yes..Im a little late in the discussion :-)

stargate maniack
March 11th, 2006, 02:14 AM
When was that? :confused:


i believe it was in season 6's unnatural selection when thor camed to us and asked for our help and the Prometheus wasn't ready yet...but he fixed it and then he released the prometheus...don't know if you remember the scene

http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/ship/thorsship611/05.jpg

so the asgard ship from the ep is definetly not a o'neill

Kanten
March 11th, 2006, 02:16 AM
I just noticed that the kawoosh was no ordinary kawoosh, it was like a flame reaching out. Carter said that with the singularity they could maintain a wormhole almost indefinitely, now will not the Ori be able to do the same thing, and prevent them from sending the Ancient weapon through. Something else, did the Ori know that they were going to dial the SuperGate, because almost immediately after that crystal was installed, the SuperGate came to life.

I'm guessing it was just a case of really, really, really, really bad timing, because the ships came through almost immediately. The Ori were ready to go.

st00rm
March 11th, 2006, 02:17 AM
i think that the ori ships are about the same size as the wraith hive ships
(if you look at allies you see the size of the dedalus and the hive ship)

Peoples_General
March 11th, 2006, 02:34 AM
I dunno... I think the Ori ships are larger.

The Ha'Taks are about 2x the length of the BC-304s, yet even these looked like fighters when they flew around the Ori starships.

SGFerrit
March 11th, 2006, 02:37 AM
I'm too tired to give a proper run-down of the episode... just random thoughts.

Pretty disappointing. Didn't feel like a season finale, with the exception of parts of the space battle. I have a sinking feeling that the next episode is going to be full of cliched quick fixes. I hope they prove me wrong, though. And admittedly I was a little surprised by how it ended... Surprisingly anti-climactic, it just kind of fizzled. I don't like how vaguely it ended, either. It wasn't the worst of the season, but it's definitely not the best.

I'll keep this spoiler-free and vague, but I really hope they tie the season premiere into Atlantis.

You mean like the first episode of Atlantis season 2?

reddyj31
March 11th, 2006, 02:39 AM
Oh I agree...I think the Ori ships are much bigger than the "Good guys" ships. I was just commenting mostly on the picture above with the Asgard ship and the Promethius (sp)

reddyj31
March 11th, 2006, 02:43 AM
what proof do we have?

I just watched that space battle 5 times (love tivo) and you know what have found out.....absolutely nothing. The only thing that looked possible is the Asgard ship did a bombing run and then disengaged...They could beam people out then.....but what kinda looked funny was the scene right after ...a ship got destroyed in the distance and it "looked" like the Asgard ship.

Guess we'll find out in July.

I personally think no main characters (IE SG-1) will die....too much work to get viewers to like Mitchell and Vala and then go ahead and kill off another main character. I didnt think the show would do as well as it did with RDA leaving the show.

SGFerrit
March 11th, 2006, 02:44 AM
Huh...

At this point, it's kind of like...

"Oh, look! Another massively overpowering force is hovering above us, about to unleash horrible godly wrath on us. Oh, whatever shall we do. Whatever shall we do. This is such a terrible thing. Nothing can save us now!

Wait! We just learned about some new weapon that kill the enemy! How fortunate we are to discover this new weapon just in time! We art saved!"

This is, frighteningly, starting to remind me of Power Rangers. The bad guys would start acting all menacing, and the good guys would obtain just enough power to fight back and win. Then, the bad guys would come back with an even more menacing power, and just then, the good guys would be given some new power that was strong enough to fight them. Later, rinse, repeat.

It's like the show is endlessly going through a cycle with a predictable course, and they've gone so far ahead in technology that the winner is determined by just whoever pushes the more powerful red button.

I may or may not watch season ten, depending on whether *anything* original happens in the premiere.

Comparing SG-1 to POWER RANGERS? I know some people have said bad things about this season but that is a step to far.

I don't think antone cares if people with that attitude continue to watch,k because basically, the show is better off without 'fans' like you.

Peoples_General
March 11th, 2006, 02:44 AM
Oh I agree...I think the Ori ships are much bigger than the "Good guys" ships. I was just commenting mostly on the picture above with the Asgard ship and the Promethius (sp)

Oh... I was actually refering to the post about mines saying that the Ori ships are about as big as the Hives.

I think the Ori starships are bigger than the Hives. They should be after all those are ships of the uber badguys.

Peoples_General
March 11th, 2006, 02:53 AM
You know some of the best things are remakes and etc. Don't tell me that you hate the current BSG, because its a remake of the original one back in the 70s? Thus "un-original".

As for comparing SG1 to PowerRangers... no. As SGA is more fitting for PowerRangers. Check out the intro music for Power Rangers Lost Galaxy over the SGA intro scenes. :D Watch both videos.. and I find it very odd as to how the S1 intro and the PRLG intro music are almost syncronized... :S
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=25286
Shep = Red Ranger
Ronan = Black Ranger
Teyla = Yellow Ranger
Cadman = Blue Ranger
McKay = Pink Ranger lol

Anyhow, the whole Ori story line is great IMO. It gives us stuff about the Ancients we never knew of before.

Looking at the pod-components of the SuperGate. Pod's design look very much like that of the Puddle Jumper. Which makes me wonder.... do the Ori have fighter craft?

Count
March 11th, 2006, 02:53 AM
Just to clarify, it wasn't identified which ship got blown apart, for all we know, it was Odyssey, after all, it's character shields were down with Carter, Mitchell, Teal'c and Daniel off the ship.

Jarnin
March 11th, 2006, 03:21 AM
I've got mixed feeling about this episode. The first 30 minutes was slow. Not slow as in setting up the episode, slow as in completely redundant. They spent 30 minutes looking for something that will end up being the entire focus of season 10, just as the tablet that mentioned the "Lost City" set up the quest to find Atlantis in season 7.

Another thing that's really starting to bug me is the repeated use of the "weapon quest" plot to kill the big bad of the month. I mean, they've used this formula 5 times in the last 3 seasons! I'm really getting tired of the "Anti-BigBad Weapon" plot.
What ever happened to the team going in under cover and taking out superior forces with just a handful of specialists and a truckload of luck?

And then there is the scale of the things in the VFX shots; the scales seemed completely out of whack to me. For example, in Beachhead Carter clearly says that the "objects" that made up the supergate in that episode were about 10 meters in length. Then we see shots in Camelot of the same objects, and they're more like 30 meters in length. How exactly did those supergate sections fit through the stargate to get to our galaxy? There's no way.


This episode was definitely one of the better ones this season, but I haven't really liked much of season 9. To me, it seemed like they were trying to introduce too much new material while not revisiting enough of the old stuff. I liked alot of the ideas of season 9, I just don't like the way it was done. Alot seemed rushed, while other bits seemed to be purposely dragged out. I don't know, maybe it's just me.

pertsson
March 11th, 2006, 03:30 AM
I did never see the asgard ship blow up, their shields seem to hold better then all the other ships (not so strange). However it is a possible solution that they (the asgard) beemed the other guys of the ships on the verge of destruction and then escaped to hyperspace???

andrewag
March 11th, 2006, 03:42 AM
For all the aussies (and brits down the track), the head town guy is Australian and is playing a part in Home and Away at the moment.

GateMan2000
March 11th, 2006, 03:55 AM
From what I seen, any ship...i don't care if its Earth, Jaffa, Asgard, Wraith or even Atlantian for that matter would be owned by the Ori toilet ships.

ancientaction
March 11th, 2006, 04:03 AM
still the asgard sent one vessel. , in fact, i would say, that the asgard aboard wenrt prepard, the asgard were hoping that carter would be able to disable the gate before it opend. if the asgard knew something was gonna happen, im sure they would have had several 'oniell' class ships ready

kazzyk
March 11th, 2006, 04:07 AM
There is so much I could say but i wont--it was complete garbage. Even as someone who has not cared much for S9--I expected better for a finale.
Really--I can not believe how far the show has sunk in just one season.

S10 will end mid-season.

KRiZ
March 11th, 2006, 04:09 AM
From what we know the Asgard O'Neill class, the prommie could fit between its rear pylons and look tiny, that wasnt that same type of ship in "camelot"

The one in camelot didnt look much bigger than the 304s, also the argument that it looks similar doesnt say anything, car manufacturers do it all the time, their models look similar just larger than each other example being peugeot 106 and 306

Also considering the original beliskner class was larger than 3 hataks together (Thors Chariot)

Peoples_General
March 11th, 2006, 04:13 AM
From what we know the Asgard O'Neill class, the prommie could fit between its rear pylons and look tiny, that wasnt that same type of ship in "camelot"

The one in camelot didnt look much bigger than the 304s, also the argument that it looks similar doesnt say anything, car manufacturers do it all the time, their models look similar just larger than each other example being peugeot 106 and 306

Also considering the original beliskner class was larger than 3 hataks together (Thors Chariot)

Those weren't Ha'Taks, but the pyramid landings.

valha'lla
March 11th, 2006, 04:17 AM
The asgard probaly only sent one ship to test the ori ships after their experience with the replicators and the Gou'ald ancient sheilds of anubis they oviously learned something that they can't expect to win one on one let alone one to many(may see a new asgard ship next year if this is the case). That or they are pre ocupied and could not spare any more ships the good old plot device.

Jonzey
March 11th, 2006, 04:26 AM
There is so much I could say but i wont--it was complete garbage. Even as someone who has not cared much for S9--I expected better for a finale.
Really--I can not believe how far the show has sunk in just one season.

S10 will end mid-season.
You know your opinion isn't the only one that matters, right?

veX
March 11th, 2006, 04:27 AM
I also think that they should have send more than 1 ship...but I bet this 1 ship survived and beamed all the important characters out...I wonder if we see the battle continuing with 1 asgard ship against the 4 ORI ships..at least 1-2 minutes until carter is beamed aboard :)

OpiumTom
March 11th, 2006, 04:31 AM
We see that Asgard technology is not that bad.
You have to remember, there ist only 1(!) Asgard ship (vs. 4 Ori vessels) and it's the only ship which is able to take several hits and is still flying around...
Hatak -> 1 Hit -> Toast
304 -> 2-3 Hits -> Toast
Asgard -> 2 Hits -> still goin'