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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 609</FONT>
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Tensions rise between the Tok'ra and rebel Jaffa at the S.G.C.'s offworld base when they are attacked by an invisible enemy.

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bcmilco
June 8th, 2004, 09:43 PM
One of my favorite episodes from this season. We get to see two of my favorite secondary characters Jacob and Bra'tac together for the first time.

I thought it was interesting to see the Tok'ra use the Stargate to vaporize their dead, nice cultural touch. ;)

This is also the first time we get to 'see' the Alpha site, and while it's not much to look at I like the fact that the SGC is estabilishing secondary sites and bases.

Elwe Singollo
June 8th, 2004, 10:18 PM
Yah, its really rare to see both of them together :), they are also 2 of my favorite seconday characters.

Anubis
June 8th, 2004, 11:12 PM
This episode was a good one with them all working together showing a strong army against that soldier. I also liked the ending

Elwe Singollo
June 8th, 2004, 11:14 PM
This episode was a good one with them all working together showing a strong army against that soldier. I also liked the endingThe knife... that killed them (well a few/couple of them) brought them together, it was such a poetic scene, haha...

Anubis
June 8th, 2004, 11:22 PM
The knife was a weird shape, and we really learned that Bra'tac is a smart man when it comes to weapons

Elwe Singollo
June 8th, 2004, 11:24 PM
I haven't seen the episode in a while, but did we see any 'hard feelings' between Bra'tac and Jacob/Selmak?

Anubis
June 8th, 2004, 11:27 PM
I think there was quite some tension between the two Jeffa and Tok'ra but that's about all

Elwe Singollo
June 8th, 2004, 11:28 PM
I remember now, the only 'tension' between the two races were the two that were actually fighting, verbally, and slighty physically (a little push), but both of them died anyway.

Crazedwraith
June 9th, 2004, 02:42 AM
I remember now, the only 'tension' between the two races were the two that were actually fighting, verbally, and slighty physically (a little push), but both of them died anyway.


Lol. How about the scene wear the all point zats and staffs at each. And jacks like: "Whu??"

Anubis
June 9th, 2004, 03:50 AM
That scene was great. I think Jack was surprised to actuall see all that. I was

bcmilco
June 9th, 2004, 01:10 PM
Yes, did you notice, in that scene, that we hear all the *zat pops up* sounds, but if you look only a couple of the zats are actually in the 'up' possition. ;)

Elwe Singollo
June 9th, 2004, 04:36 PM
Lol. How about the scene wear the all point zats and staffs at each. And jacks like: "Whu??"Oh yah, i remember that now. :) I guess they all are loyal to Jack and them, because he kind of helped out the bad situation.

Anubis
June 9th, 2004, 11:27 PM
You're right. There is so much noise. Only one or two are up

Elwe Singollo
June 10th, 2004, 12:33 AM
Did ya notice in the background above the base, it sometimes shows 'box-like' figures, in the commentary, they said it was actualy moving trucks with equipment and such, how creative... ;)

omnian
June 21st, 2004, 05:03 AM
All those Jaffa and Tok'ra in one place......I knew trouble was gonna start :p

I was devastated when it was suggested Bra'tac died! I mean, he's one of the coolest characters in the entire series! I was so relieved when he came back at the end though :)

The stand-off between the Tok'ra and the Jaffa where they're all pointing their weapons at each other is pretty cool too.

Ap-uat
July 1st, 2004, 05:16 PM
Isn´t that a bit odd that Bra´tac was so easily defeated by the ashrak...i mean, he´s a jaffa master...in enemies(or was it threshold?) we see Bra´tac training Teal´c who was blindfolded. The fact that he was training Teal´c in such manner implies that he himself has got to master this way of fighting...why couldn´t he use that against the ashrak(he did sense the ashrak on the tree but why not on the ground :S )

Anubis
July 1st, 2004, 11:14 PM
Good old Bra'tac lived to fight another day!

Selmak
July 11th, 2004, 07:39 AM
This is one of my favorite episodes... I like how Jacob, Bra'tac and Jack use there leadership positions.

Anubis
July 11th, 2004, 07:40 AM
Good old Bra'tac and his good knowledge and leadership. I think he was great in this episode even after what happened to him

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 08:19 PM
Malek was kind of a coward... leaving Bra'tac.

Genty
July 23rd, 2004, 10:30 AM
Too Predictable?

Anubis
July 23rd, 2004, 10:34 AM
I agree, he was a bit of a coward, but how would he fight the invisible guy?

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 08:17 PM
He could have shot at the thing dragging Bra'tac... not run away... Teal'c was right to rough him up a bit.

Lugal
August 3rd, 2004, 04:10 PM
He could have shot at the thing dragging Bra'tac... not run away... Teal'c was right to rough him up a bit.

I agree, he could have tried harder, and I liked how it was only Selmak that convinced Teal'c to let him go.

I also liked how Jack said to Bra'tac and Jacob, basically I'm gonna need every bit of influence you both have.

KorbenDirewolf
August 4th, 2004, 11:24 AM
What? You mean you think that Tok'ra should have risked HIMSELF? No There were plenty of Tauri and Jaffa Rebels left for him to go get.

Starfury
August 19th, 2004, 09:31 AM
OK, is it just me or is Bratac a ZATARC!?

Seriously. An Ashrak left him for dead? You mean the nearly unstoppable super-assassins who kill Jaffa by stabbing them through their symbiote and their heart? We're supposed to believe that he was so incompetently sloppy that he didn't make absolutely sure that when he had one of the leaders of the Jaffa rebellion at his mercy, that he was really dead?

Consider all the reminders we got in this episode about the existence of Zatarcs, how they're made, etc. We see the Zatarc detector. They use the phrase "Divide and conquer" (the title of the episode where Zatarcs were introduced) pointedly.

And then Bratac comes limping back to save the day, but he's not even really that badly hurt (his symbiote probably helped to heal him, but the Ashrak would have known that!) and nobody's even a little suspicious?

Either Bratac is a zatarc, or it's the sloppiest writing ever. And I don't buy sloppy writing any more than I buy sloppy assassination.

SeaBee
September 19th, 2004, 08:57 AM
Yes, did you notice, in that scene, that we hear all the *zat pops up* sounds, but if you look only a couple of the zats are actually in the 'up' possition. ;)
The problem there is with the cost of props that actually work. There are only a few available, the rest are just for show. :)

Apart from that, a good ep., IMO.

mishy_mo
October 4th, 2004, 01:53 PM
this was a really good ep but the only strange thing about it was that a title used in the fourth season (divide and conquer) would be far more suited.

Jack had said this in this ep and thats what got me thinking

mind you it might be some consious tribute to the last time we seen the zanex (lol za'tarc) detector used

Major Fischer
November 22nd, 2004, 03:48 PM
Quite a nifty little episode. Foreshadows Death Knell nicely.

Erik Pasternak
November 22nd, 2004, 03:57 PM
Quite a nifty little episode. Foreshadows Death Knell nicely.
Indeed it does. Although, just by seeing this episode, I don't think anyone could imagine us and the Tok'ra going to blows.

LMichelle
November 23rd, 2004, 12:26 PM
Eh. This episode bored me.

jckfan55
November 23rd, 2004, 04:08 PM
The first time I saw this I thought Bra'tak might actually be a goner. I agree, Malek could have done *something* other than run off and save his own bacon. Of course, the Tokra are always quick to write people off--in contrast to humans (SGC) who don't like to leave anyone behind. I liked how Jack told Tealc "stop" in this half-hearted way when T was strangling Malek. :)

greytop
November 27th, 2004, 05:05 AM
I like the episode because of all the things mentioned so far. I also believe that this is the first one that Jonas only had one scene in.

immhotep
November 28th, 2004, 07:15 AM
i think this i possible the best non- major plot episode ever. its got everything, action, culture, jaffa, tokra, goauld, carters technichal bits. The characters are great, you get the tokra and jaffa and why they hate each other( something thats kinda bugged me since they want the same thing). you get the tokra doing their whole science and subtifuge thing and the jaffa (bratack) showing off thier skill as warriors. you get politics and ethics from all side. and you get to see how cool both/ all side look when the do the fight scene, i love how they get thier weopens out, kinda sums both races up.
its great to see the humans not being the centre of attention(they should do a non human spin off,(sorry all you humaniods) i just think if there wernt humans mucking thing up then the alien race of the universe would make graet plots on their own). although they seem in charge, oneil admit he need all of them. in my opinion this episode sybolises the entire war with the goauldm it not going to be possible if everybody fights amounst themselves. the speach at the end by bratak is one of the best writers have come up with.
in a pole this would be up there with all the season finales past and present for shere genius. in one episode everything i love about stargate i involved in a giant metaphor for stargate SG-1.

immhotep
January 15th, 2005, 02:54 AM
can someone reply!

Crazedwraith
January 15th, 2005, 06:00 AM
to what? You didn't ask any question that I could tell.

immhotep
January 17th, 2005, 12:59 PM
well could u have an opinion on it then?

Yu`
February 7th, 2005, 09:39 PM
So why was it safer to Jonas to stay at the SGC? That was lazy writing IMO.

In fact Jonas being left out of it so lamely nearly spoilt it! Daniel Jackson would have gone with them.

Great episode but the fact Bra'tac wasnt killed was a bit stupid.

TheWarrior
February 8th, 2005, 04:53 AM
So why was it safer to Jonas to stay at the SGC? That was lazy writing IMO.

In fact Jonas being left out of it so lamely nearly spoilt it! Daniel Jackson would have gone with them.

Great episode but the fact Bra'tac wasnt killed was a bit stupid.

Jonas wasn't in this episode as if I remember right from what I read somewhere - the actor Corin Nemec was getting married or was otherwise engaged with something else. The writers then decided to write him out - and when watching the episode I can't see where he could have fitted into the story really, as most of SG-1 had their own tasks to complete.

greytop
February 8th, 2005, 07:16 AM
Jonas wasn't in this episode as if I remember right from what I read somewhere - the actor Corin Nemec was getting married or was otherwise engaged with something else. The writers then decided to write him out - and when watching the episode I can't see where he could have fitted into the story really, as most of SG-1 had their own tasks to complete.
Jonas was in the scene where Jack, Carter, and Hammond were in talking together right afte Carter found that someone had the naquada generator to overload.

TheWarrior
February 8th, 2005, 09:49 AM
Jonas was in the scene where Jack, Carter, and Hammond were in talking together right afte Carter found that someone had the naquada generator to overload.

I was referring to the fact Jonas wasn't in the episode much, I am aware of the scene he was in. He wasn't in the rest of the episode due to his marriage or some other important event he had to attend.

greytop
February 8th, 2005, 10:12 AM
I was referring to the fact Jonas wasn't in the episode much, I am aware of the scene he was in. He wasn't in the rest of the episode due to his marriage or some other important event he had to attend.
Sorry, I missed understood your post.

TheWarrior
February 8th, 2005, 10:45 AM
Sorry, I missed understood your post.

Mah - I just didn't explain in much detail thats all.

Why can't we see more of Pierce, I liked this character.

They make him appear in a few Season 6 episodes and then he disappears only to return once and then disappear again.

greytop
February 8th, 2005, 11:19 AM
Mah - I just didn't explain in much detail thats all.

Why can't we see more of Pierce, I liked this character.

They make him appear in a few Season 6 episodes and then he disappears only to return once and then disappear again.
I like him too. He isn't even mention the Omnipedia.

Yu`
February 8th, 2005, 07:53 PM
Ok I can understand Corin's wedding is more important, but they way he was written out was really lame.

TheWarrior
February 9th, 2005, 10:22 AM
Ok I can understand Corin's wedding is more important, but they way he was written out was really lame.

They wrote him out just like they have done with Daniel in the past, Daniel was written out in certain episodes and the excuse was he was offworld with another SG team.

TheWarrior
February 9th, 2005, 10:24 AM
I like him too. He isn't even mention the Omnipedia.

Pierce and Reynolds in an SG team, if we have to follow another SG team like in Heroes get Pierce and Reynolds together.

Two great SG team members and maybe Griff, started to like him as well. Its a shame they write a character into the storyline and episodes and then he disappears. The main one has to be Ferretti, where the hell he go. He should come back some time before the end maybe, but I have heard he is in Moebius: Part II.

Yu`
February 9th, 2005, 07:56 PM
They wrote him out just like they have done with Daniel in the past, Daniel was written out in certain episodes and the excuse was he was offworld with another SG team.

Yeah he was offworld studying something which makes sence, but they didnt even bother giving Jonas a decent reason to not be there.

TheWarrior
February 10th, 2005, 04:52 AM
Yeah he was offworld studying something which makes sence, but they didnt even bother giving Jonas a decent reason to not be there.

He had just returned from a dig with SG-2, thats why Jacob couldn't dial the SGC as Jonas was coming back. So he'll would have studied the new artifacts they found or something.

GatetheWay
February 12th, 2005, 09:21 PM
Saw this episode again last night. I never did fully appreciate it when it had first aired. It was one of the best of season six and may even be one of my most favorite Stargate episodes ever. It was done very well and was beautifully written. It was great seeing Jack interact between Jacob and Bratac and trying to be diplomatic even with his prejudice against the Tokra because of Kanan.

The talk between Jacob and Jack about Kanan was well written and acted. It revealed some of the post angst, which is very rare, Jack was going through since Baal’s torture. Though Jack seemed very cold in his half-hearted attempts to stop Tealc from strangling one of the Tokra, the viewer can understand why he was acting that way.

This episode contained much foreshadowing of the future of the Jaffa-Tokra-Tauri alliance, which made it all the more interesting.

immhotep
February 13th, 2005, 08:54 AM
i think its the best non-major plot eps. of the show

lionel_pendergast_rocks
February 13th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Every time this episode is on, i watch it. Its up there on my list of favorite s6 episodes. I don't know why i like it so much. Maybe bacause it shows the Tok'ra, Jaffa and Tauri all working together. But even beter is that cool stand off between the jaffa and Tok'ra. Awesome ep...

immhotep
February 13th, 2005, 01:31 PM
its one of my favourate episodes full stop read my post and ull see y; i jsut love it when the takra and jaffa and the SGC are together it such a great dynamic; one of my favourate features of the show is how the SGC interects and bond with other races and this ep. is just the best example ive found.

greytop
February 13th, 2005, 02:16 PM
Every time this episode is on, i watch it. Its up there on my list of favorite s6 episodes. I don't know why i like it so much. Maybe bacause it shows the Tok'ra, Jaffa and Tauri all working together. But even beter is that cool stand off between the jaffa and Tok'ra. Awesome ep...
I totally agree. I like what Bra'tac said toward the end about the Ashrack's (sp) knife bring everyone together as one instead of fighting amongst themselves.

immhotep
February 14th, 2005, 06:09 AM
best speach bratak has made.

PugGate
May 2nd, 2005, 05:58 PM
-Who cares if the Ashrak has a GDO? It doesn't have the code to open the iris and Anubis probably has about five GDO's now because he killed SG-12 in the beginning of this ep.

I loved the scene where Teal'c was choking Malek. :D

greytop
May 2nd, 2005, 06:04 PM
-Who cares if the Ashrak has a GDO? It doesn't have the code to open the iris and Anubis probably has about five GDO's now because he killed SG-12 in the beginning of this ep.
I can. If Anubis was smart, which he was, he would have his men start putting in random numbers into the GDO. Eventually they would get the right code.

Matt G
May 3rd, 2005, 08:52 AM
And the SGC would have picked up a series of dodgy codes and thought 'hmmm...'. Yes, Anubis might have tried that trick, unless his guys got lucky with the first five tries tops though, he'd have come up empty!

Stricken
May 19th, 2005, 08:10 AM
Every time this episode is on, i watch it. Its up there on my list of favorite s6 episodes. I don't know why i like it so much. Maybe bacause it shows the Tok'ra, Jaffa and Tauri all working together. But even beter is that cool stand off between the jaffa and Tok'ra. Awesome ep...

I love this episode for the wxact same reasons, it was brilliant + Bratac's speech was the right thing also NO JONAS except for a small clip, YES

valaCB
May 27th, 2005, 10:26 AM
I was devastated when it was suggested Bra'tac died! I mean, he's one of the coolest characters in the entire series! I was so relieved when he came back at the end though :)


me too. glad Bra'tac stay.
Jack was soooooooooooo funny as allways.... love him :)
and where was Jonas??? :S

AncientKnowledge
May 27th, 2005, 11:30 AM
Yes, I really did like this season 6 episode............Bra'tac is always the best,him and his leadership skills,he always seems to amaze me......

QuiGonJohn
June 11th, 2005, 05:29 AM
I liked this episode. It will be interesting to see if the Free Jaffa and the Tok'ra maintain a level of trust between each other after this.

Stricken
June 17th, 2005, 03:19 AM
me too. glad Bra'tac stay.
Jack was soooooooooooo funny as allways.... love him :)
and where was Jonas??? :S

It was explained that he was comeing back with artifacts and the Tok'ra couldnt dial into Earth, and for some strange reason Jack said not to send anyone which IMO seems strange when the assasin cant go through an incomeing Wormhole!

This is on of my favourites, i have no idea why it just is, every time its on i watch it!

Perriman33
September 21st, 2005, 07:08 AM
Good episode for all jacob and bra'tac fans. The story was good with loads of tension between the jaffa and tok'ra.It kept me guessing the first time I watched it and the assassin was quite a toughie for them to take out.
They go on about the goa'uld fighting amongst each other but the jaffa and tok'ra are just as bad. :)

Metarock Sam
September 24th, 2005, 01:22 PM
This episode wqas great not only for actually putting the free Jaffa and the Tokra together for once but because of the reintroduction of the Ashrak. As many people may have forgotten about these deadly assasins.

walter_MacChevron
October 31st, 2005, 08:18 PM
Loved this episode as it dealed with many political aspects coming to a head between rivaling factions of the galaxy

HirogenGater
January 23rd, 2006, 10:29 AM
I liked this episode. It will be interesting to see if the Free Jaffa and the Tok'ra maintain a level of trust between each other after this.

I hope so.

skeezix
March 11th, 2006, 03:03 PM
This episode was awesome based solely on the fact of Jack's badassery when he says "Alright, everyone get down!" and then procedes to machine gun everything in an almost 360 degree radius, basically revealing the location of the Ashrak. This action goes perfect with Jack's character. The Jaffa and the Tok'ra would never do something like this. It would take someone like Jack to say, "screw it I'm just going to shoot everything."

Oh yea, the rest with the speech and stuff was good too. :)

mckaychick
March 12th, 2006, 01:28 PM
Yeah this was a great episode!! Had some good lines from jack.

Darkstar
April 6th, 2006, 02:39 AM
not bad at all, great to see conflict between Tok'ra and Jaffa, this episode planted the seeds for the alliance breakup, shame really when at the end of the episode it give you a sense that the alliance will go on and that the hidden nemy that had fought so hard to kill them all brought them all together but i should have known better :D

desert fox
June 22nd, 2006, 12:58 AM
One of the best episodes I have watched so far. At the beginnig , arrival of Tok'ra survivors to Alpha Site , introduction of new Tok'ra characters , their surprise of seeing Alpha Site and so many Rebel Jaffa , tension among Tok'ra and Jaffa , killings , O'Neill firing machine gun and at the end speech of wise Bra'tac. All them were quite good.

Althrough I expected Alpha Site to be a little more advanced. There were tin huts only:)

Matt H
June 27th, 2006, 05:59 PM
I guess this episode was OK, because except for the awesome return of Bra'tac, it was lacking in that x-factor that makes SG-1 itself. BTW, Jonas was with SG-2...whoever asked that.

Matt H

Callista
February 9th, 2007, 06:42 PM
Eh. This episode bored me.

Thank you! I thought I was all alone in that.

I don't know why. I guess it had a good enough story. It had some shooting. I really like Bra'tac and Jacob. But yet, I found myself wondering at several points: "I wonder what Jonas and Hammond are doing? Maybe Walter and Siler are teaching Jonas how to play poker or something....I'd rather watch that."

Two_L's
April 24th, 2007, 06:34 AM
This episode was awesome based solely on the fact of Jack's badassery when he says "Alright, everyone get down!" and then procedes to machine gun everything in an almost 360 degree radius, basically revealing the location of the Ashrak. This action goes perfect with Jack's character. The Jaffa and the Tok'ra would never do something like this. It would take someone like Jack to say, "screw it I'm just going to shoot everything."

Oh yea, the rest with the speech and stuff was good too. :)

That scene rocked! :jack_new_anime25: It was very cool and very Jack ;)

I thought the episode was really good. We got Bra'tac and Jacob together which was nice to see, and they each had some great speeches. Jacob talking with O'Neill early on, and then Bra'tac's speech at the end. I liked the mystery of not knowing of it was a Tok'ra or Jaffa behind the murders, and then having the twist of it being neither. There was also some great action scenes! I was quite surprised that they left Jonas out, but I guess if Corin Nemec was getting married, that was more important ;) But apart from that, I loved it! :D

garhkal
April 24th, 2007, 12:38 PM
That scene rocked! :jack_new_anime25: It was very cool and very Jack ;)

I thought the episode was really good. We got Bra'tac and Jacob together which was nice to see, and they each had some great speeches. Jacob talking with O'Neill early on, and then Bra'tac's speech at the end. I liked the mystery of not knowing of it was a Tok'ra or Jaffa behind the murders, and then having the twist of it being neither. There was also some great action scenes! I was quite surprised that they left Jonas out, but I guess if Corin Nemec was getting married, that was more important ;) But apart from that, I loved it! :D

And that blade was cool..

But i do agree, that scene was atypical jack.

sabbon
March 31st, 2008, 02:49 AM
Well, as some may know I'm doing the noob route of watching stargate for the first time, and just got up to this ep.

It was one of the better of series 6, but did nobody else think that this was an awesome homage to Predator? The distorted POV shots, the bongo jungle music, Bra'tac getting dragged away, were all highly reminiscient of that awesome film. Also the shot with Jack and the HUGE M60 echoes the minigun mowing down the forest scene.
It also helps that it was an awesome epsiode, pretty much putting to rest the conflict between the jaffa and tok'ra. That said, the tau'ri still seem to be slightly wary, which is only fair as they ARE part goa'uld.

chevron3
April 14th, 2008, 12:21 PM
wow, i really liked this ep.liked seeing bra'tac and jacob together for an ep. also liked how the tok'ra & jaffa had 2 trust each other.Liked Bra'tac's little "speech" @ the end.

captain jake
July 4th, 2008, 10:44 PM
This was my third time watching this episode, but it was the first time I realized that Artok was played by Link Baker the actor who played Lieutenant Barber in "The Light".

In general this is an awesome episode, linking the Jaffa and Tok'ra together for future battle against the Goa'uld. However, it is obvious that the Tok'ra are at the end of their war with the Goa'uld. It's a shame that recent events have left the Tok'ra so devastated.

Ventio
September 9th, 2008, 10:29 AM
I love this episode. It really puts things into perspective.

I loved the bit when Carter realises they can use the naquada generator to make the enemy visible and tries explaining it to Jack and he goes

''are you about to tell me you can make the invisible guy visib-''

Sam- '' Yes sir''

''Thats all i need...''

L E E
September 19th, 2008, 12:05 AM
i loved that scene when jack pulled his knife and when he went rambo on the assassin.

Murzin
October 25th, 2008, 02:01 PM
i read the first 3 pages, and nobody has mentioned when jack pulled out the "big gun" and sharted shooting.

that was cool imo

Butlersgate
March 14th, 2009, 08:25 AM
i read the first 3 pages, and nobody has mentioned when jack pulled out the "big gun" and sharted shooting.

that was cool imo

i don't see how it would of worked, if he shouted GET DOWN i think the assassin would of done the same, which he must of done if he didn't get shot, but this episode is just amazing with the tok'ra and jaffa tensions it just had the recipe for a brilliant episode

Dinoman
March 24th, 2009, 05:18 PM
finally, a long-lost 'for cryin' out loud' from Jack!

The Stig
May 11th, 2009, 11:11 PM
Very good episode. You can't go wrong by sticking a bunch of jaffa and tokra on a planet and seeing what happens.

balo
May 15th, 2009, 07:21 AM
Nice to see the Tok'ra and Jaffa trying to work together.
Lots of action so I can't complain . Not my favourite but still good.


Rating 7 / 10

jsonitsac
August 29th, 2009, 03:31 PM
Over all it was a pretty good episode. I liked how the tension continued to build until they finally realized it was an ashrak that was responsible for the killings. I guess I would have preferred to see more of the murder-mystery than the hunt and action scenes, although when Jack grabbed that SAW that was pretty cool.

mrscopterdoc
March 22nd, 2010, 09:08 PM
Not my favorite but still a good episode.

asdf1239
March 30th, 2010, 01:56 PM
i dont see why the writers make the tokra look so bad. they're a much more interesting faction than the jaffa

koroush47
September 19th, 2010, 08:20 AM
best part :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsFUAADMX8M

maneth
October 8th, 2010, 09:43 AM
Loved this one! I'm so glad Bra'tac made it back alive.

ChulaksPrincess
January 10th, 2011, 05:17 PM
It sure took some serious talking on Jacob and Jack's part to keep Teal'c from killing that Tok'ra. I'm so glad he listened to them. I thought Bra'tac was gone for good, but I am glad that he survived.

Dave2
December 13th, 2011, 02:47 PM
Why does Jacob Carter usually talk in his own voice but other Tok'ra usually talk in the deep symbiote voice? Why did Jonas get left out of this episode and with hardly any action taking place at the SGC??

Matt G
January 10th, 2012, 02:12 PM
I stuck a VHS into my Hall of Res Machine...

1. The ep sounded cool enough from the outset.

2. If memory serves, Corin had a wedding or something on therefore had to be largely written out of this ep.

3. Didn't think I'd ever get to see Bra'tac and Jacob in the same ep.

4. Jack O'Neill as a diplomat, he didn't do too badly here, probably needed a warrior to talk to other warriors.

5. Then Jack with that 360 shot...woha...

6. And Bra'tac's comeback! :)

Very cool ep.

mathpiglet
January 12th, 2012, 07:50 AM
Why does Jacob Carter usually talk in his own voice but other Tok'ra usually talk in the deep symbiote voice? Why did Jonas get left out of this episode and with hardly any action taking place at the SGC??

My guess is it is because Jacob is a fairly new Tokra, or that in the presence of his daughter, he is more likely to take control.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 12th, 2012, 03:40 PM
I like this episode, top 10-15 (yeah I know, out of 22).

The Tok'ra and the Free Jaffa are at each others throats, and at the end, we're all friends.

The best scene was Jack and the BFG, showed Jack was a badass.

Tomorrow, the origins of the Tok'ra.

Krisz
January 12th, 2012, 05:28 PM
One of the top episodes of the season for me.

BRA'TAC: This single blade did what we could not. It has brought us together. This blade has spilled the blood of Jaffa, of the Tok'ra and of the Tau'ri. By the hand of our common enemy, it has made us brothers. Together, we have ensured it will never spill our blood again.

A wonderful emotive end to a well executed series of events.

Two former mortal enemies facing off with only Jack and the SG teams, with Bra'tac and Jacob's respected standing amongst their own people between them.

An invisible enemy doing the divide and conquer bit. Great 'Predator' moment of Bra'tak being watched from above through the Ashrak's eyes and then attacked and dragged off. Only Arnie with the big gun was missing to shred the forest afterwards! However, Jack did get to do the gun bit later! :P

For me the scenes when they went Ashrak hunting has one of the best uses of a BC forest in a Stargate episode. Gives a great alien feel to the scene with all the trees draped with the moss fronds.

Jae'a
January 13th, 2012, 02:31 PM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/32100.html)
I never get tired of this one. :)

jelgate
January 15th, 2012, 04:23 PM
This single blade did what we could not. It has brought us together. This blade has spilled the blood of Jaffa, of the Tok'ra and of the Tauri. By the hand of our common enemy, it has made us brothers. Together, we have ensured it will never spill our blood again.


I just love that line. Its classic Bra'tac in something he would say. This episode I think addresses the hostility between the Tok'ra and Jaffa. I think it was something that needed to be addressed. Being on former different ends of the sides thier was bound to be some kind of tension between these two alien species. It was fun watching these two clash as they work out the differences. I also like seeing Jacob and Bra'tac interact as their respective leaders. We never really have seen these two in the same scene before. It was interesting while the Tok'ra and Jaffa fight the two leaders got along. Maybe a understanding of leadership. The only real compliant was Jack taking out that huge machine gun seemed random and pointless.

Lieutenant Sparrow
February 4th, 2012, 09:36 PM
A pretty good ep.

Gotta agree that it's great to see Bra'tac and Jacob in the same ep together.

Bit of a different take on the Ashrak compared to the one that killed Jolinar.

Cluas
January 28th, 2013, 12:17 PM
Very good episode, divide and conquer, also reminded me of "predator"

:bratacanime13:

I really thought Bra'tac was dead this time (no not really)

Mrs Selmak
May 2nd, 2013, 01:35 PM
Just watched this on tv in the UK. I'm a very late fan to the Stargate series since 2012, yep very, very late lol. Great episode, love the interaction between the three sides and the tension. The only sensible people in this one are Sam, Selmak and Bratac. Even O'Neill's prejudice against the Tok'Ra is getting annoying, his attitude makes as much sense as African Americans assuming all white Americans are racist since only White Americans join the KKK.

Falcon Horus
July 4th, 2013, 02:29 PM
Divide & Conquer

Or in this case, put the Jaffa and Tok'ra against one another and the problem will resolve itself. :p Except the Tau'ri are meddling in the affairs of the Goa'uld again. Good thing too or we would have had a civil unrest in the resistance.

More applicable at the end was the phrase: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Anyhow...

Another one of those episodes that has some really cool shots, like O'Neill firing the 50cal. -- quite spectacular. Or Bra'tac kicking some serious butt, or more accurately is getting kicked down but he fought bravely nonetheless. And the end scene where he makes that speech and throws the dagger into the ground.

We stand... united!

Cluas
July 5th, 2013, 01:54 AM
And the end scene where he makes that speech and throws the dagger into the ground.

We stand... united!

I loved that ending :)

Sini
November 9th, 2013, 09:11 AM
Every time this episode is on, i watch it. Its up there on my list of favorite s6 episodes. I don't know why i like it so much. Maybe bacause it shows the Tok'ra, Jaffa and Tauri all working together.

This is how I feel. I love watching this episode, it's just so great to see them (ultimately) working together, and even better to see Jacob/Selmak and Bra'tac together on screen. The character interactions are what makes this episode. I also think the episode is visually quite pretty, there are a few frames that are just stunning, even though most of the episode is shot with gravel as a backdrop. Despite some possible holes in the story that have been mentioned in this thread, I really enjoy this episode each time I see it.

LionHamster
April 8th, 2015, 12:03 AM
Lol. How about the scene wear the all point zats and staffs at each. And jacks like: "Whu??"

That didnt seem like a fair stand off i mean zats need 2 shots to kill the staffs need 1

LionHamster
April 8th, 2015, 12:05 AM
Malek was kind of a coward... leaving Bra'tac.

No it was the only intelligent move I mean the **** was he going to do

Anja
September 25th, 2015, 11:29 AM
This ep shows the differences between the Tok'ra, the Jaffa and the Tauri. I missed somebody saying: Your ways are not the only ways - I don't know which of them were the most likable or should I say dislikable. Nice shooting scene although I'm not a friend of weapons.
I love the scene in the end: Bra'tac and the knife - moving!

:vortex04:

Nirude
June 10th, 2016, 07:29 AM
Amazing episode, one of my favorites of season 6. Very Predator-like obviously. I like Jacob's play on "if it bleeds, we can kill it"... "if we can see it, we can shoot it" :P

garhkal
September 27th, 2017, 12:13 PM
I am wondering how different this ep might have been, had the events of the "Cure" episode been Before this one?

BethHG
July 10th, 2018, 06:55 AM
A good episode that built a good foundation for the Jaffa and the Tok'ra to be allies.

I loved that Bratac saved the day and gave an awesome speech at the end.

Falcon Horus
September 2nd, 2018, 02:46 PM
Gonna cheat a little and quote myself...


Divide & Conquer

Or in this case, put the Jaffa and Tok'ra against one another and the problem will resolve itself. :p Except the Tau'ri are meddling in the affairs of the Goa'uld again. Good thing too or we would have had a civil unrest in the resistance.

More applicable at the end was the phrase: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Anyhow...

Another one of those episodes that has some really cool shots, like O'Neill firing the 50cal. -- quite spectacular. Or Bra'tac kicking some serious butt, or more accurately is getting kicked down but he fought bravely nonetheless. And the end scene where he makes that speech and throws the dagger into the ground.

We stand... united!

I still agree with my previous assesment of this episode, and I'd like to add that Malek is a coward and why did they add the sounds of zats closing in that stand-off moment? There were no opened zats to speak of. As far as I could tell all the zats were in the closed position to begin with.

This definitely remains one of my favorite season 6 episodes.

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jelgate
September 3rd, 2018, 04:45 AM
I too quite like this episode. It makes sense that the Jaffa and the Tokra would have a lot of bad blood even if they are working together. You can just look at the history that this scenario happens all the time. It is a little slow going to identify the mystery of the Ashrak but that largely doesn't bother me as the focus is exploring and then fixing the bad blood. I kind of like Bra'tac knife metaphor. I still find Jack doing a 360 with the machine gun to be pointless. I give it a good

Who Knows
September 3rd, 2018, 05:28 PM
9.43

BethHG
September 4th, 2018, 08:24 AM
8:53

AleksisMi
September 6th, 2018, 07:51 PM
it was missing arnold schwarzeneger, but it was a good episode etc

perhaps as a tokra, or some sg team member, or leading a squad of guest stars lol

AleksisMi
September 6th, 2018, 07:53 PM
ahah he could even appeared as the governer of california getting to meet the tokra and the jaffa and taking up arms to help hunt the problem :p

jelgate
September 9th, 2018, 07:55 PM
6 minutes 59 seconds and 13/15

Platschu
October 16th, 2018, 02:46 AM
I have just rewatched this episode. Quite nice, but the body count was a bit high.

I love that shot when the Jaffas and Tok'Ra are holding weapons to each other. Well done. :D

I have noticed little mistakes.
1. When the Tok'Ra escape through the gate, the chevrons are not lit on the Stargate.
2. if the Ashrak was a Goa'uld, how could the Tok'ra not sense his presence if Bra'tac and Teal'c were capable?

Jonas was strangely written out of this episode. He and Hammond had only one scene. :P

hedwig
October 16th, 2018, 02:18 PM
9:42

Falcon Horus
December 8th, 2018, 02:45 PM
Adding a 7:06 to the list.

We're averaging out quit nicely on this one. :D

jelgate
December 8th, 2018, 04:38 PM
If only you were 8 seconds fqster

Falcon Horus
December 10th, 2018, 03:56 AM
There's always next time... :p