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April 30th, 2004, 11:13 AM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 607</FONT>
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Jonas' people ask Earth for military aide in an impending war with their rival nations, but his former mentor offers another solution: a resistance movement ready for a coup.

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bcmilco
June 12th, 2004, 04:52 PM
Wasted Opportunity. This episode could have really been a great episode for Jonas, instead it was more about the Doctor and his illness. Too bad because I really like Jonas and wish they had done more to develop him. :(

As it stands this episode is at or near the bottom of my list for s6.

Elwe Singollo
June 12th, 2004, 05:04 PM
I thought it was going to be about Jonas (well it kinda was), but it was about that ill dude who saw things :( I was interested in that one part where Jonas is saying he is now part of SG1 and stuff (i think thats this episode? yes?) Not my favorite S6 episode either.

ShadowMaat
June 12th, 2004, 05:04 PM
As it stands this episode is at or near the bottom of my list for s6.
Mine too. Which is really infuriating, especially since I'm a Jonas fan! :( It was one of the few times (at that point) where I felt that I'd been cheated by TPTB. Sadly, it was a portent of things to come...

And ya know, it wouldn't have taken that much to turn this into a real Jonas ep. Some better dialogue, shift the emphasis in some scenes, maybe add a few scenes that show us just what it is Jonas has to miss about Kelowna. Because as it stands, I could never figure out what he liked about the place. The people are a bunch of cliched, greedy, paranoid, bureaucratic SOBs, we saw NOTHING of the planet itself other than the industrial sections and the government buildings- hardly beautiful, and if he had any family or friends at all, we never saw them, either. Or heard reasons why they weren't around.

Waste, waste, waste. *sigh*

Elwe Singollo
June 12th, 2004, 05:08 PM
Wasn't their main reason to returning there was because...? Trade, or was it because that crazy old man asked SG1 to? Hmm, i'm gonna have to watch that episode again.. Yah, i want to know if Jonas has family, or had some too. Although Jonas's planet is supposed to be 100 years behind Earth, to me it looks a little more advanced than that.

bcmilco
June 12th, 2004, 05:56 PM
I keep expecting the head guy (can't remember his title :S) to say something like "your family has been asking about you" and Jonas to ask how they were and what they were doing.

It would have made for some great tension as it was I didn't feel like he had any reason to stay on Kelowna because I didn't feel like he had any ties there, which he must have or he wouldn't have gone back, right? :rolleyes:

ShadowMaat
June 12th, 2004, 06:35 PM
I keep expecting the head guy (can't remember his title :S) to say something like "your family has been asking about you" and Jonas to ask how they were and what they were doing.
I'd see it in reverse. Jonas asks, "Have you spoken with my father?" and the Honcho guy (I can't remember either) says something like, "Your family believes you are dead, killed by Dr. Jackson's attempts at sabotage." Or maybe "Your family has been informed of your return, but they have no wish to see you. I don't blame them." Something really cold and harsh and agonizing. Er. But then I tend to go for angst rather than comforting when it comes to Jonas. It's actually really horrible. He's such a happy character and every chance I get I try to make him miserable. :( Maybe his family was vacationing in Kelowna-Disney and were rushing back to see him or there was a big happy reunion scene offscreen where his family assures him they knew he was a good kid and they still loved him or something...

Definitely agree with the lack of ties thing. All I got from ANYTHING to do with Jonas's connection with Kelowna is that he was loyal to his country because it was his country. Nothing more, nothing less.

bcmilco
June 12th, 2004, 07:15 PM
I'd see it in reverse.

I saw it as Honcho Guy trying to guilt trip Jonas into returning, but when you put it like you did I can see it your way too ;)


Definitely agree with the lack of ties thing. All I got from ANYTHING to do with Jonas's connection with Kelowna is that he was loyal to his country because it was his country. Nothing more, nothing less.

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I think part of the reason Jonas' return felt so abrupt to me is that because I didn't feel he had anything to return to I couldn't understand why he'd want to return. It just felt 'off' too me.

ShadowMaat
June 12th, 2004, 07:22 PM
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I think part of the reason Jonas' return felt so abrupt to me is that because I didn't feel he had anything to return to I couldn't understand why he'd want to return. It just felt 'off' too me.
Exactly! Now this would be the time, I think, for Honcho Guy to lay on the guilt trip to get Jonas to return. Whatever "ties" Jonas may or may not have had to Kelowna, I think the predominant reason he returned was flat-out guilt. He felt responsible for what happened and felt that he had to return to try and "set things right." I didn't even have a sense of loyalty tied to it that time, just heaps of guilt. Poor [email protected] And thanks to the way the ep played (barely focusing on what happened to him) I never felt that anyone even TRIED to stop him or tried to convince him that he didn't have to go. I'm sorry, but that whole goodbye scene still leaves me thinking that Jonas was really hurting over his decision to leave (wherein, IMO, he felt he had no choice due to the whole guilt thing) and everyone else was pretty much "don't let the gate hit you in the ass on the way out." Like they couldn't wait for the scene to get over so they could get on to more important things. :mad:

I know I'm biased, but it still really irks me...

SGSlugger
June 12th, 2004, 07:38 PM
I enjoyed this episode. I agree though, that they could have added some more 'Jonas' into the mix.

I liked Dean Stockwell, as I enjoyed him in Quantum Leap.

Crazedwraith
June 13th, 2004, 02:56 AM
It was starnge because hallucination Jonas was carying a pistol that seemed to be firing deadly bullets and yet it had the red pistol butt of an Intar??

Mr Prophet
June 13th, 2004, 04:02 AM
It was starnge because hallucination Jonas was carying a pistol that seemed to be firing deadly bullets and yet it had the red pistol butt of an Intar??

That's because Dr Keiran knew what Jonas' weapon looked like (oo-er), but having never seen an intar fired he assumed that it was just a regular pistol.

ShadowMaat
June 13th, 2004, 05:39 AM
And yet they never explain how Kieran knows what an intar looks like. Why else would he imagine a glowing red light on the bottom of the gun?

I thought Corin did a fantastic job in this ep and right from the start I felt Jonas was "off" in some scenes. Never twigged to the reason until it was actually revealed, so at least THAT part worked. But the rest of it... bah.

Mr Prophet
June 13th, 2004, 05:57 AM
I assume that Jonas was carrying an Intar when he comes through the Stargate. Even if they then surrender their weapons, SG-1 usually go through armed. I'd need to check back on the ep to make sure.

ShadowMaat
June 13th, 2004, 06:03 AM
I assume that Jonas was carrying an Intar when he comes through the Stargate. Even if they then surrender their weapons, SG-1 usually go through armed. I'd need to check back on the ep to make sure.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't, but feel free to check. ;) I can't imagine that Stargate Command would actually issue intars to team members for use in the field- I had the impression that they were for training scenarios only. And if they ARE issued, then Shadow Play is the only ep in the show's history where it happened.

To be perfectly honest, I didn't think Jonas was carrying a gun of ANY kind in that ep, except possibly a zat.

Mr Prophet
June 13th, 2004, 06:08 AM
I'm not sure they issue him with anything but a pistol until Unnatural Selection, but I will check when I have the time (possibly at some point in 2007!). Whether he always had an intar because they didn't trust him with live ammo I don't know; I don't think he actually fired a gun until US either.

bcmilco
June 13th, 2004, 09:25 AM
In the Audio Commentary I think PDL said something about using an intar because it was just slightly off. But didn't have any explination as to how the Doctor would know what an intar was :rolleyes:

I agree with Shadow's erlier comment CN did a great job making Hallucination!Jonas seem just slightly 'off' without giving it away.

SGSlugger
June 14th, 2004, 07:08 AM
I'm not sure they issue him with anything but a pistol until Unnatural Selection, but I will check when I have the time (possibly at some point in 2007!). Whether he always had an intar because they didn't trust him with live ammo I don't know; I don't think he actually fired a gun until US either.

That's what I was thinking. Jack gave him a crash course on the P-90 and made practice until he had blisters.

Anubis
June 14th, 2004, 07:39 AM
Jonas had a P90 from this point onwards. We see Jonas playing around with it in Promethus

KorbenDirewolf
June 15th, 2004, 10:36 PM
I somehow got the impression that the First Minister and Quinn were somehow related, or at least had some sort of personal relationship. Although it never is stated that way it a few scences it seemed that Quinn was expecting a more personal conversation, rather than the just business talk they had.

Anubis
June 15th, 2004, 11:18 PM
Perhaps they used to be good friends or something and the FIrst Minister got a higher promotion than Jonas

bcmilco
June 15th, 2004, 11:24 PM
Perhaps they used to be good friends or something and the FIrst Minister got a higher promotion than Jonas

I assumed they became friends because Jonas worked for the First Minister. IIRC, Before he left, Jonas was an advisor to the First Minister.

omnian
June 21st, 2004, 04:58 AM
This was confusing at first :S

The thought that the old man was suffering from mental illness because of the naquadriah experiments never crossed my mind! I thought it was kinda strange though, in the sequence where him and 'Jonas' are going to meet the resistance.

Overall though, I thought this was quite a good episode.

omnian
June 29th, 2004, 01:07 PM
I've just realised something..........the bloke who plays Dr Kieran (sp?) also played one of the main characters in Quantum Leap! I love that show! Amazing.

greytop
June 29th, 2004, 01:11 PM
I think Jonas at one time said that Dr. Kerian was his professor. I don't remember when he said it so I may be wrong.

Elwe Singollo
June 29th, 2004, 01:24 PM
I thought it was his professor as well...

ShadowMaat
June 29th, 2004, 02:34 PM
I think Jonas at one time said that Dr. Kerian was his professor. I don't remember when he said it so I may be wrong.

JACK: Friend of yours?
JONAS: He was, uh, one of my teachers at University and then he recruited me into the Naquadria project. We've been working together side by side the last six years...

greytop
June 29th, 2004, 09:09 PM
Thanks for quote, ShadowMaat. :)

Anubis
June 29th, 2004, 11:14 PM
That was his professor all right. The actor that plays him is a decent one

Selmak
July 11th, 2004, 07:40 AM
I love to see Dean Stockwell when ever possible... it was well acted.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 08:21 PM
Got my hopes up... turns out he was crazy.

SeaBee
September 19th, 2004, 09:20 AM
This was a neutral episode for me. Some nice acting, but the story was a little too weak for me.

mishy_mo
October 4th, 2004, 02:08 PM
i have to admit i really don't like this one for some reason it's just ... lacking, so much so that when ever i watch my DVD i just skip this ep i haven't seen it in about a year and i'm still pretty sure it's rubbish!

Major Fischer
November 15th, 2004, 05:20 PM
I'm having overwelming feelings of... why should I care? Not a good sign.

And random rant. Ties. Ties are a modern fashion trend that makes little sense on earth and I don't see why aliens would have an overwelming urge to tie little nooses around their necks and run around either.

LMichelle
November 16th, 2004, 06:03 AM
It's hard for me to see Dean Stockwell as anybody but "Al." I was disappointed that Dr. Kieran was suffering from mental illness.

As many of you all said, I wished this had been a more Jonas-centered episode. :(

Yu`
February 7th, 2005, 05:34 PM
I know the emphasis wasnt on Jonas, but Dean Stockwell more than made up for it IMO, being a huge QL fan.

GateTraveler
February 7th, 2005, 06:34 PM
I'd be willing to bet the writers had just gotten back from seeing "A Beautiful Mind" when they wrote this. Not tied quite as closely as Window of Opportunity was to Groundhog Day but mighty close.

This ep was meh in my book.

valaCB
May 25th, 2005, 01:52 PM
I've just realised something..........the bloke who plays Dr Kieran (sp?) also played one of the main characters in Quantum Leap! I love that show! Amazing.
Lםve that show too. :)
anyway, i thought that the episode was average BUT, i love the ending. so emotional

QuiGonJohn
June 10th, 2005, 05:00 AM
I liked this. But as others said, they could have done more with Jonas or even the Kelowans.

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 06:12 AM
Creepy episode if we never went back Jonas wouldnt have ever had the feelinf about wanting to go back and then he could have stayed on!

Perriman33
September 21st, 2005, 06:57 AM
I can't think of anything specifically bad about this one but it's still not one of my favourites. The story was quite clever and kept me guessing for ages but it's not an episode that you can watch again and again.
The whole episode seemed to be about the professor which is not what Sg1 is normally about, none of the main characters were featured enough for my liking. :(

Metarock Sam
September 24th, 2005, 01:31 PM
It took me a few episodes to understand this episode but then I did get the jist of it. IT made you feel sorry for the Professor as he seemed to be such a nice guy.

walter_MacChevron
October 31st, 2005, 08:15 PM
Meh, it was alright IMO...nice to see that TPTB tried to show some of Jonas' backround

Callista
February 3rd, 2007, 08:53 AM
This was sort of a so-so episode for me. I liked that we got some back-ground for Jonas, and the fact that the whole "Resistance" was just in the Professor's mind was kind of cool.

I love Dean Stockwell as "Al", but I've got to say he didn't really thrill me here. Whenever he did that thing with his eyes...slightly widening them...he made me think of the episode of Quantum Leap where he was the devil. I guess I just have a hard time seeing him as anyone but Al.

My kids and I are watching all the episodes in order and this is the first one where my youngest daughter looked at me and said: "Mommy, why is this so boring?" I said: "I don't know, but it is pretty boring." I don't think I'd ever watch it again.

Area 51-and-a-Half
April 13th, 2007, 03:34 AM
This is the worst episode ever. The resistance is portrayed in purely sympathetic terms, the last best hope against a government desperate enough to use WMD's to survive. Am I the only one who felt like the writers were repudiating America's legitimacy due to our involvement in World War 2?

The Kelownan naquadrium project very closely parallels our own Manhattan Project, right down to the specifics of the famous nuclear accident, just substitute plutonium for naquadrium, so I can only assume the writers meant for the Kelownans to be American-equivalents.

Would we really want the Roosevelt Administration overthrown by a violent coup simply because he authorized the Manhattan Project? Apparently the Canadian who wrote this episode thinks so. He needs to go back to Canada and advocate the violent overthrow of his own stinking government. Roosevelt had his flaws, but he did what he had to to defend us from the Nazis and Imperial Japanese.

If it weren't for America fighting a total war much like the Kelownans were about to (actually the Kelownans were more like the British in 1940-41, standing alone after the Ribbentrop Pact, but it is clearly America in the writer's crosshairs here) we'd all either be speaking German or dead, depending on our religion or race.

Imagine this: a team of technologically advanced humans visits America around November 1941. The Russians and Germans have joined forces and wiped out the British. We're on the verge of completing the Manhattan Project, and not a minute too soon because the Germans and Russians are preparing to throw the full weight of their military might upon us.

Okay, so we're about to use our nukes to defend the world's last surviving democracy when the alien SG-1 team decides the "resistance" (which would almost certainly be Soviet-backed Communists, as we had effectively wiped out all Nazi insurgencies) can put a stop to our WMD program if they help give the insurgents a little nudge. WT everloving F? That's supposed to be heroic?
Oh, and there's Einstein (Jonas-equivalent) begging FDR to "return to the negotiating table" with Hitler and Stalin, maybe give up a little land. Oh, you mean like Chamberlain gave up Czechoslovakia at Munich? Your genius slips the bounds of physics -- you're a political genius, too!

I was pulling for the Kelownans. If they're like us they're fighting Nazis and Communists with everything they have, just like we would've had to had the Ribbentrop Pact held, and the "morally-superior" SG-1 were wrong and hypocritical to pass judgment on the Kelownans for wanting to remain free from Nazi oppression.
If Kelownia is like 1940's America then SG-1 is overthrowing a legitimately elected democracy and leaving it at the mercy of Nazi and Communist enemies, in which case SG-1 are terrible villians, useful fools for whichever government was backing "the resistance" (which thankfully didn't actually exist.)

What a horrifying message: if the two writers of this episode had their way we'd all be speaking German and the Jewish religion would no longer exist. Oh, but we wouldn't have built nuclear weapons. What a relief.

P-90_177
May 1st, 2007, 03:28 AM
errr you do realise that the whole point was that there was no resistance it was all in jonas' old professors head because of working to close to the naquadria. even jonas was a figment of his imagination in some scenes.

Area 51-and-a-Half
May 4th, 2007, 09:37 PM
Jonas and SG-1 didn't know the resistance was fake until the end of the episode.

They were actually considering participating in the violent overthrow of a sovereign democracy because they disagreed with its foreign policy.

Except for the cover-up of the nuclear accident the Kelownan government didn't have anything particularly wrong with it -- no apparent racism or imperialst ambitions or suppression of freedom of expression, and Jonas was obviously a dissident and yet allowed to reach a position of great power and responsibility, so we're talking about a fairly classical-liberal government. Were the Kelownans the least bit repressive Jonas would be on a blacklist if not in a cell.

That Jonas doesn't see any difference between his own government and that of what are presumably Nazis and Communists fits perfectly with the attitude of pacifists in our own history of that era. Differences between Nazis, Communists, and Democrats are "meaningless" in the eyes of a true pacifist -- Orwell's essays on this phenomenon were scathing -- and Jonas is true-to-form. That SG-1 wouldn't recognize the type and take what he said with a grain of salt is ludicrous. They're supposed to be military officers.

The Kelownans' only "crime" apart from officially blaming Dr. Jackson for the accident (unofficially they held no grudge against Dr. Jackson and apologized when SG-1 confronted them) was in being willing to defend their liberal democracy by whatever means necessary. That begs the question of what they were defending their democracy from, which we never really got an answer to. Since the only clue we're given is American history we must presume their opponents were Nazis and possibly Communists.

How far would we in the United States have gone to defend democracy? Were we wrong to kill so many resisting the Nazis and Soviets? Should we all instead either be speaking German or lying dead in a concentration camp?

Apparently the writers of the show think so, or they simply weren't thinking at all.

heyjude8905
April 1st, 2008, 02:26 PM
Ok when jonas friend umm the sick guy is taking jonas the the "resistance" why is the gun that jonas has just one of the stun ones (with a red light on the bottom)....it didn't make sense to me...:jonas:

editorguy
April 1st, 2008, 03:09 PM
If you had a choice between killing someone in defence or just stunning them... which would you choose?

Also... keep in mind... Jonas wasn't even there.

Also... it was probably a mistake... but.... whatevs.

shrap
April 1st, 2008, 03:51 PM
Wasn't it used to give viewers a clue that things may not be quite what they seem?

ShadowMaat
April 1st, 2008, 08:58 PM
It was one of several clues to hint that all was not as it seemed, although how Dr. Kieran knew what an intar looked like (if not what it does) is another matter. ;)

captain jake
July 4th, 2008, 10:13 PM
It was one of several clues to hint that all was not as it seemed, although how Dr. Kieran knew what an intar looked like (if not what it does) is another matter. ;)

Couldn't it just be a prop mistake? Maybe they didn't have any regular pistols on set or maybe they thought they had brought the normal gun but accidentally brought an Intar instead.

Trig
November 7th, 2008, 03:35 AM
Watched this the otherday, I have a question.

When Dean Stockwells character is with Jonas and there being followed to the undergrounds base, just before he falls and Jonas and the security guy are shooting at eachother Jonas appears to be using one of those stun gun type things with the red crystal on the bottom, guessing this was just a props mistake as theres no way he (DS) would know/have seen one of these guns before...

smurf
November 7th, 2008, 02:11 PM
The intar shooting bullets was a clue to the viewer that something wasn't right with the scene. Dr. Keiron doesn't know what an intar is, so it would be a fair assumption on his part that the gun shaped weapon that Jonas carries shoots bullets like all the other gun shaped weapons he's seen.

Little side note: Jonas doesn't get to carry a weapon which shoots bullets until Unnatural Selection. And if only giving him intars and zats is Jack's way of avoiding giving him a lethal weapon (trust issues and the like), he really didn't think that one through...

gatechick
November 16th, 2008, 05:15 PM
Watched this tonite. Not one of my favorite episodes. But if I understood correctly ( I was washing dishes and listening to the show, so maybe I got some things wrong.) the kelownans wanted military tech or aid or something like thast. earth wouldn't give it to them because they would use it to harm others on their own planet. But wasn't earth kind of doing the same thing. they wanted technology but wouldn't share with other countries, even when they had a treaty with russia. Not that they planned to use the tech against other countries, but i am sure if they had to they would have. Maybe I got the ep all wrong.

Butlersgate
March 14th, 2009, 08:34 AM
Watched this tonite. Not one of my favorite episodes. But if I understood correctly ( I was washing dishes and listening to the show, so maybe I got some things wrong.) the kelownans wanted military tech or aid or something like thast. earth wouldn't give it to them because they would use it to harm others on their own planet. But wasn't earth kind of doing the same thing. they wanted technology but wouldn't share with other countries, even when they had a treaty with russia. Not that they planned to use the tech against other countries, but i am sure if they had to they would have. Maybe I got the ep all wrong.

well through SG-1 you see many occasions where they are Hypocrites, we are human after, surprise surprise

The Stig
May 11th, 2009, 11:07 PM
Wasted Opportunity. This episode could have really been a great episode for Jonas, instead it was more about the Doctor and his illness. Too bad because I really like Jonas and wish they had done more to develop him. :(

As it stands this episode is at or near the bottom of my list for s6.

Agreed. This was a pretty weak Jonas ep.

balo
May 14th, 2009, 06:57 AM
This was a boring episode


Rating : 4 / 10

AVFan
September 23rd, 2009, 07:48 AM
Wow, I was going over episodes in Hulu this week and came across this one. Apparently I missed it while going through the S6 box set because I had never seen it before lol. (I've seen almost every episode twice, and some episodes multiple times.) So to come across an episode that I hadn't seen was a pleasant surprise.

Not that this was an exciting episode or anything.


Little side note: Jonas doesn't get to carry a weapon which shoots bullets until Unnatural Selection. And if only giving him intars and zats is Jack's way of avoiding giving him a lethal weapon (trust issues and the like), he really didn't think that one through...
Really? I never noticed this before. I did see the red crystal though and thought it was some sort of mistake. Hmm... little tidbits. Always nice to have.
For those who didn't see it. (spoilered for size)

http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/sg1_season6/607-ShadowPlay/screencaps/normal_sg1_607_0891.JPG

Overall episode rating: 4/10

Tachyon
December 7th, 2009, 02:56 AM
An alright episode for me. I like the quarreling ambassadors - man can they fight! Tee hee. And I also liked the little twist with Jonas' former professor. Didn't see that coming when watching the episode for the first time.

mrscopterdoc
March 22nd, 2010, 02:21 PM
I felt sad for the professor, and glad we got to see a bit more into Jonas but this was a very slow episode for me.

LoneStar1836
September 12th, 2010, 11:53 AM
Doing a complete rewatch of SG-1. This one has never been a favorite or all that good even but wasn't quite as bad as I remembered it to be. Still a waste of an episode as far as Jonas is concerned. It should have focused more on him.

Anyway this was something random I happened to think about. Just how did SG-1 get back through the gate with the Naquadria that Dr. Kieran had secretly stashed? Did they just take it out of all those containers and put it in their pockets?

Plenty of hypocrisy to go around in this one as far as SG-1 goes as well as them stealing that Naquadria.

maneth
October 7th, 2010, 10:33 AM
Yeah, stealing that naquadria was a bit much for me too. And I really felt sorry for the nutty professor.

zainea13
December 7th, 2011, 01:47 AM
I agree on the theft of naquadria, even though the last post was over a year ago, I'm the first post for this rewatch.

Anyways, couple of things I thought about. Why didn't they offer to trade cell phones, computers, internet, radar, none of them are inherently militaristic, I know they can be used to that means, but they are capable of so much more and aren't weapons like the surface-to-air missiles they wanted. Computers may aid them in their own development, and the internet and cell phones offer up faster communications.

Just a thought or two.

LeftHandedGuitarist
December 15th, 2011, 11:52 AM
One word review for this one: meh.

To expand upon that: this is an episode filled with wonderful and interesting actors, who are given nothing wonderful or interesting to work with.

RATING: 5 out of 10

Matt G
January 7th, 2012, 01:39 PM
And I stuck a VHS into my Hall of Res machine....

1. So, we return to Kelowna and SG1 had every right not to give the government military tech given previous experience.

2. Having said that, they really walked into that trap when they suggested taking part in international negotiations...puhleese...

3. To counteract that ranter earlier...the resistance in this case was meant to be an international organisation trying to overthrow all three governments NOT the equivilent of Soviet-loyal communists in 1940s America(and given that the Ribbentrop pact didn't last very long...that wasn't a great comparision anyway). A better comparision would be an organisation looking to take down both the US and Soviet governments similtaneously circa 1947-8. Attempting to do a deal with the resistance was worth a go...they had naquadriah after all.

3. Interesting to give Jonas split loyalties...might have been slightly more interesting had the First Minister twisted his arm into something bigger but this was still a pretty solid JOnas ep.

4. Was certainly gutting for Jonas to see that Kieran had lost the plot, though more obvious second time round than first time round.

Solid enough ep.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 10th, 2012, 03:53 PM
Thought it was kind of boring episode.

Tomorrow, the yearly Comedy Episode.

Krisz
January 10th, 2012, 05:25 PM
On re-watching I did appreciate it more as the solid Jonas episode it is. I never really took much notice first time round how wonderfully Jonas found his place on SG-1 and was so useful in many ways with his observations.

Poor Jonas was really put on the spot in this episode. I loved the tension of his return to Kelowna and sitting with his own people at the negotiating table and not able to agree with the reasons they wanted military technology from Earth, even if it meant the death of his people in a horrible destructive war.

Certainly no surprise to see that the victims of the Naquadria bomb research continued to mount and Jonas' mentor was the latest victim.


It was great to see 'Al' again! Loved 'Quantum Leap'! Stargate certainly managed to get some memorable actors from other shows and movies I've liked over the years. :D

Jae'a
January 11th, 2012, 09:31 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/31564.html)
It's mostly about Dean Stockwell's char, as he's one of my favourite actors. :D
Quantum Leap is an obvious reference, but I recommend Stephen King's film 'The Langoliers' to anyone. He's awesome in that. :)

zainea13
January 11th, 2012, 04:23 PM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/31564.html)
It's mostly about Dean Stockwell's char, as he's one of my favourite actors. :D
Quantum Leap is an obvious reference, but I recommend Stephen King's film 'The Langoliers' to anyone. He's awesome in that. :)

I have a question, that post was basically a summary of the episode. Was it supposed to be a review?

Jae'a
January 12th, 2012, 08:23 AM
I have a question, that post was basically a summary of the episode. Was it supposed to be a review?
Part review, part for my own reference, because I've forgotten a lot of the episodes :P
(Plus, I sometimes have trouble knowing what to say for some episodes.. I might change some entries at a later time... Meh, maybe I'm not up to doing these damn things, I don't know...)

jelgate
January 14th, 2012, 01:11 PM
I like this one because its primarily a Jonas episode and I love Jonas. He was welcome addition after Daniel left. A character I felt was getting stale. Anyway, this episode is nice because it explores more about Jonas and his people. The petty bickering of Kelowana and how Jonas feels brought perspective in how this character thinks and just truly the kind of screwed up world he lived in. Political tension is not new for SG1 but the personal investment of Jonas makes it interesting to see. I aslo enjoyed the mad ravings of Jonas old professor who was posioned with naquadria.. The first time I saw this episode I didn't fully realize he was hallucinating until the very end. My background in the real world deals with radiation and its not surprising that that radiation could lead to such serious neurological conditions. In fact I'm surprised it didn't give more serious physical problems

Lieutenant Sparrow
February 3rd, 2012, 05:24 AM
Not to bad of an ep. Kept my interest at least.

Good to see more of Jonas and his world even under those circumstances.

Sad to see his professor lose it.

Starry Starry Night
August 10th, 2012, 12:48 PM
I wish there would have been more Jonas in this episode.. It should have concentrated more on him than the professor IMO...

I quite strongly disagree with a view that there was anything related to nazis or Soviet union on the planet. There is no indication of that. I think if there was such a situation, Jonas would have brought it to SG-1's attention.. And like someone pointed put, the eesistant, that only existed in the professor's head, was supposed to be agains all three governments. Not that it matters, because it wasn't real..

What I found interesting was that after having met so many more advanced races who rrefused to share technology with earth, the SGC was now on the other side of the negotiations... I wonder if ot made them more unrstanding about this point of view...

All and all, not among my favourite episodes...

Cluas
January 28th, 2013, 09:53 AM
As many others said, negotiations are boring. And SG1 couldn't argue 'cos we have the same problems here on earth, there was no way around that.
And they just stole the naquadia in the end
:danielanime08:

Not amongst my favorites. Until this episode, season 6 have been great, but this is way under average. Not saying I didn't like it. But it was really close to boring ...

Falcon Horus
July 2nd, 2013, 04:14 PM
This is such a sad episode for Jonas. And also hit a little too close to home with the professor's all out vivid hallucinations. That scene at the end where Kieran sees the man from his imaginary resistance and Jonas looks a little dubious... yup, that's exactly right.

Anyway, the Kelonans are setting themselves up for mass destruction. Weapons of mass destruction don't bring peace, they bring destruction and death. In war, nobody wins cause in the end we all loose something. The capacity of the loss depending on the magnitude and scale of the conflict.

Politically, this is a very interesting episode cause we are telling the Kelonans to talk diplomacy. To share knowledge... and let that be something the US can't do themselves. So, that would be calling the kettle black right?

Trig
July 3rd, 2013, 04:59 AM
Easy to talk the game rather than play it eh..
Then people with big bombs go mardy when other people that arent "friends" try to get big bombs to level the playing field suddenly everyones involved and you end up with trade blocks etc. hardly fair lol

Baron Of Hell
July 5th, 2013, 03:49 AM
At first I didn't like this episode but after we find out the doc is crazy I started to like it. However, after thinking about it more I don't like it because of the negatives already stated. This was a real roller coaster for me.

Getting into a little more what I didn't like at first was the bad acting. Once I learned the bad acting was the fake shadow play I thought it was a nice touch. Then the thief, glowing gun and absolute hypocrisy killed the episode for me in the end.

Anja
September 26th, 2015, 06:40 AM
Quinn loyal to the Tauri, that fits. Nice dialogues, well-meant lying and hope for the future.
I liked Quinn in this one very much, I think the writers did a good job in developing his character although some of you gaters here don't agree.

BethHG
July 10th, 2018, 06:41 AM
I thought this was a fair episode. I loved the Jonas moments of conflict, and you could see how he truly cared for the professor. I think that the professor is quite brilliant to come up with the Resistance that was against all three governments--if only it really existed.

I didn't really feel bad about them taking the niquardria. Probably makes me a bad person.:P

Might doesn't make right, that is for sure.

Falcon Horus
August 25th, 2018, 09:43 AM
Nope, still not a fan of the theme of the episode. Watching someone with auditory and visual hallucinations, and paranoia to boot, is literally so close to home that it makes me uncomfortable watching the episode. It gives me that unsettling feeling that I'd rather like to ignore -- when real life is reflected I'll take a pass. K, thx!

Anyhow, it's an interesting episode where we learn that Kelona cares more about killing people than talking diplomacy and saving their own, and others. It's a bit annoying that we never get to see the representatives of the other two nations, which makes it a copy of The Other Side -- less with the genocide though using a naquadria bomb probably ticks all the same boxes.

Command learned their lesson though so that's a positive note. And poor Jonas, naquadria continues to take everything he holds dear away from him one way or another.

How would you rate SG-1's "Shadow Play?"

Excellent
Good
Fair -- not a fan of the episode. Was actually dreading to watch it, hence why it took me so long to do so.
Poor
Terrible

BethHG
August 25th, 2018, 12:57 PM
You didn't have to watch the show, especially if caused dread. :(

jelgate
August 25th, 2018, 01:30 PM
In a rewatch I like to watch the good and bad.

Falcon Horus
August 25th, 2018, 02:51 PM
You didn't have to watch the show, especially if caused dread. :(

There are plenty more episodes that I don't like watching for different reasons but as with Demons in season 3 I will watch them at least once more and then, possibly, never again.

The Shrine in SGA is another one that hits really close to home (same person as with the hallucinations).

jelgate
August 25th, 2018, 03:11 PM
I have a hard time watching The Shrine as well because of my grandma's Altizhemiers

jelgate
August 28th, 2018, 11:35 AM
Ive got to disagree with FH on this one. To me this has nothing to do with a person losing their mind like the elderly do with dementia. This is a guy who is suffering from radiation poisoning. Ive never heard a person develop schziophrenia from radiation but that is another story. I actually like this one too see how Jonas interacts with Kelowna now that is no longer part of that world. Specifically how stupid they are but I imagine we were similar during our Cold War. I'll give it a good

Falcon Horus
September 2nd, 2018, 03:41 PM
3-episode quiz: Shadow Play, The Other Guys & Allegiance (https://goo.gl/forms/slhAT8BOzCiIBw5M2)

Jigsaw puzzle: Shadow Play (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=J4AIYHXZ)

Who Knows
September 2nd, 2018, 05:40 PM
10.09

Falcon Horus
September 3rd, 2018, 12:44 AM
That's a nice number -- rolls of the tongue. :)

BethHG
September 4th, 2018, 07:50 AM
9:21

jelgate
September 5th, 2018, 02:18 PM
That's a nice number -- rolls of the tongue. :)
6 minutes 52 seconds sounds better

hedwig
September 5th, 2018, 02:49 PM
10:05

hedwig
September 5th, 2018, 02:50 PM
I have a hard time watching The Shrine as well because of my grandma's Altizhemiers

I had the same problem with the episode because of my Mother. :(

blueray
September 5th, 2018, 06:31 PM
I have a hard time watching The Shrine as well because of my grandma's Altizhemiers

That one was a hard one for me too. My grandfather died from Altizhemiers. It was really well done, however I've only watched this one once.

Falcon Horus
December 5th, 2018, 01:29 PM
Tried solving a jigsaw on my tablet/PC and I didn't do too bad on it. A touch screen actually works well: 7:10.

Sidenote: my laptop is currently acting up with technical issues. I'm running some scans (diagnostic and virus/malware/adware).

Seaboe Muffinchucker
December 6th, 2018, 07:27 AM
My laptop's biggest technical issue is that it's almost 8 years old. Ancient in laptop terms.

Seaboe

Chaka-Z0
December 6th, 2018, 10:11 AM
My laptop's biggest technical issue is that it's almost 8 years old. Ancient in laptop terms.

Seaboe

Offtopic but I am really satisfied with my ASUS laptop I bought this year, supposedly the nano-tech has advance quite a lot. The high-performance are quite expensive (around 1500-2,000$), but others in the 500-1200 range are quite affordable. Depends what you need it for.

Supposedly the batteries have considerably evolved, I can game on my laptop unplugged for about 2 hours, 1 hour for demanding games with high quality graphics. Back then? The Laptop wouldn't last 20 mins.

hedwig
December 6th, 2018, 10:58 AM
My laptop's biggest technical issue is that it's almost 8 years old. Ancient in laptop terms.

Seaboe

I have a desktop Compaq Presario PC that is around 10 years old and is mostly working fine. :)

Falcon Horus
December 8th, 2018, 02:35 PM
Found the problem. Laptop crashed during the last round of windows updates so I couldn't get my profile to work (notwithstanding I'm the administrator user on my puter). I did a total scan and then did a profile reset. Worked wonders.

I'm back in business.