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GateWorld
March 2nd, 2006, 12:24 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 215</FONT>
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When Claire's baby falls ill, she joins Rousseau and Kate on a mission to the facility where she was held after her abduction -- and remembers what happened to her during those forgotten weeks. Jack and Locke attempt to keep their prisoner a secret.

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ItsDan
March 2nd, 2006, 12:43 PM
Excellent episode!

Loved seeing the girls go out to kick butt on their own. Loved the revelation that there is a connection between Ethan and the Others (okay maybe not a revelation, but the guy tried to hide the connection before). Loved the costumes and fake hair they found. Excellent.

Thermonuclearboy
March 2nd, 2006, 12:50 PM
We do now know a bit more about what motivates the Others, thanks to this episode. But all in all I was a bit disappointed. I was hoping for a more sinister explanation to Rousseau's presence on the Island. And Claire is getting on my nerves. I guess it's true; once you have kids you become insufferable. She can die next. Please?

I'm looking forward to the looming civil war between Locke and Jack, its fires stoked by "Henry."

Tok'Ra Hostess
March 2nd, 2006, 12:53 PM
Fantastic episode!

Okay, so the older guy Claire saw in her flashbackie: was that the officer in last week's ep who got Sayid to torture his fellow captive?

He did tell Sayid that one day he'd need his new skills to get the answers he wanted.

Since they showed glue and a fake beard, does that mean that the older man was also the boat captain who took Walt?

KatG
March 2nd, 2006, 01:07 PM
Not sure about the older guy. I think the one Claire saw in the flashbacks is the same one from the boat and that confronted Jack/Locke/Sawyer in "The Hunting Party", but not sure if he's the one who taught Sayid to be a torturer.

And was it just me, or did everything in the bunker seem like it was really old and had been abandoned for a really long time? It looks where Claire was held, but "when" was she actually held there?

Hatcheter
March 2nd, 2006, 01:36 PM
Okay, so the older guy Claire saw in her flashbackie: was that the officer in last week's ep who got Sayid to torture his fellow captive?The actor who plays the bearded guy isn't listed in the credits for 'One of Them'.



Since they showed glue and a fake beard, does that mean that the older man was also the boat captain who took Walt?

That was definitely the same guy. You can tell by his voice, it's very distinctive. I find it pretty amazing that the shabby stranded sailor appearance was a disguise. The Others are more sophisticated than we've been led to believe for the last half-season. A fully equipped nursery, a full surgical team...there's something pretty big going on on this island.

Red Tigress
March 2nd, 2006, 02:49 PM
I don't think the guys that kidnapped Claire and Walt are the same as The Others. in other words, I don't think the people that work for the Dharma Institute are the same as the others. Think about it. We know Ethan worked for these guys, but back in S1 when they were tracking him, he left prints and we know the others leave no tracks and are totally silent, as seen in the episode where Jin and Eko hide and see the bare feet go by and the teddy bear on the string.

On a totally seperate note, wow, Claire was drugged to high-heaven.

jenks
March 2nd, 2006, 09:17 PM
The only bit I didn't like was at the end where Locke was so easily affected by the prisoners mind games, I'd of thought it would of been obvious what he was trying to do...

Morbo
March 2nd, 2006, 10:13 PM
Excellent episode.
Anyone who is complaining after last night seriously needs to get their head out of places where heads aren't supposed to be.

Very interesting too. The hatch did look quite abandoned, but the flashbacks couldn't have actually taken place more than 2 months ago.
But it definitely had to have happened on the island because of the Rosseau, the girl getting Claire out, and when Ethan was talking to Zeke about making the list - and that they had a manifest.

More and more I'm starting to think the plane was crashed on purpose.
The plane did have a Dharma logo on it remember,
and here's a screenshot I took of the mobile over the baby's crib in that room in the Med bunker..oh, hey look, oceanic airlines!

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4134/vlcsnap18879300xt.jpg

also, ethans keychain was a dharma logo, and so did his canteen.
also i saw a picture showing that the logo on ethan's canteen is the same logo that was on the shark

ItsDan
March 3rd, 2006, 04:18 AM
Military Guy is Kate's Father.
Old boat guy (and guy in the woods) is someone different.

The guy in a greenish suit is boat guy, without his costume.

The writers have said the plane crashed for a very specific reason.

How are people unsure when the flashbacks happened? They were the days Claire was kidnapped by Ethan in Season 1.


Something strange also. When Claire had the dream (with Locke's weird eyes and hearing a baby cry), she sees a baby in a crib. Over the crib is....an airplane mobile. It's an oceanic airlines logo, and I think the dharma logo (definately something on the tail) but the Oceanic logo is different than the one in Maternity Leave. Could be a prop error though.

Tok'Ra Hostess
March 3rd, 2006, 08:12 AM
Military Guy is Kate's Father.


No I don't mean Kate's father, but the older officer with the white stubble beard. Kate's dad was in the back of the truck with Sayid. The officer I'm thinking of is the one who got out of the passenger side of the truck and talked to Sayid - the one who gave him the money.

ItsDan
March 3rd, 2006, 11:05 AM
http://www.thetailsection.com/gallery/albums/2x14/normal_oneofthem-promo08.jpg

http://www.thetailsection.com/gallery/albums/2x152/normal_lost.2.15.maternity.leave0220.jpg



You're saying these are the same people?

Stryd0r
March 3rd, 2006, 11:11 AM
I believe the one in Sayid's flashback is played by Clancy Brown, who's played such roles as the guard from Shawshank Redemption and the Drill Sergeant from Starship Troopers. He's definitely not the hairy man seen on the island.

Nyarlathotep
March 3rd, 2006, 11:15 AM
The dude who gave Sayid the money was The Kurgan in Highlander and certainly not the one in this episode :)

Anyway, excellent episode - however I did find it a bit odd how easily Locke fell for the old 'why do you let him call the shots?' ploy. I guess Locke could have been really wound up about it for a long time and having someone spell it out for him has sent him over the edge but from my point of view that would have set my alarm bells ringing. I certainly would have asked myself why does this man want to cause dissent? He must be hiding something...

In any case I think that absolutely confirms he is 'one of them'.

FoolishPleasure
March 3rd, 2006, 12:00 PM
The actor who plays the bearded guy isn't listed in the credits for 'One of Them'.
TPTB sometimes do that to fool the audience. On "X-Files", Nick Lea had a few episodes where he wasn't listed in the credits, to purposely shock the fans when Krycek would suddenly show up in a small scene.

DJFavorite
March 3rd, 2006, 12:21 PM
http://www.thetailsection.com/gallery/albums/2x14/normal_oneofthem-promo08.jpg

http://www.thetailsection.com/gallery/albums/2x152/normal_lost.2.15.maternity.leave0220.jpg



You're saying these are the same people?

Thanks for the pics. Those are the two guys people have been wondering about.

Tok'Ra Hostess
March 3rd, 2006, 12:34 PM
http://www.thetailsection.com/gallery/albums/2x14/normal_oneofthem-promo08.jpg

http://www.thetailsection.com/gallery/albums/2x152/normal_lost.2.15.maternity.leave0220.jpg



You're saying these are the same people?

Yup. Thanks. These are the two I was thinking of. They look quite alike to me. Both have white hair and a receeding hairline and there is a, what... 10 year difference between the first Gulf war and the present day? The makeup crew would account for that fact when they made up the island guy.

My tv gets terrible reception so taping the show is out of the question, but can anyone compare the voices of these two characters?

I just think that is too co-incidental that they show us this guy right after the Sayid Tortures the New Guy ep.

Thermonuclearboy
March 3rd, 2006, 01:03 PM
I know my character actors, and those two are most definitely not the same guy. One's Clancy Brown and the other's M.C. Gainey. Completely different.

We know a few things about the Others now. We know that they believe there's a disease on the Island, and we know they don't have enough vaccine for everyone. So they're trying to only give it to the "Good" people. Thus, when castaways wash up on shore, they insert a mole to find out who the good people are, and take them away to their facilities. We know that Ethan was their plant among our survivors, and we know Hurley's census forced him to act before he'd finished his list of good people. It's very possible that the Others sent Henry to finish Ethan's job. I find it very hard to believe that an Other would blunder into a snare trap set by a crazy old French woman unless he MEANT to get caught.

We also know that Alex is still alive, and that's she's "good." Allegedly. I find it hard to believe that she, having been raised by the Others from the time she was an infant, could possibly be anything different than they are. I think she had another motive for releasing Claire. But then, I was wrong about Rousseau too, so who knows.

KatG
March 3rd, 2006, 01:22 PM
Yup. Thanks. These are the two I was thinking of. They look quite alike to me. Both have white hair and a receeding hairline and there is a, what... 10 year difference between the first Gulf war and the present day? The makeup crew would account for that fact when they made up the island guy.

My tv gets terrible reception so taping the show is out of the question, but can anyone compare the voices of these two characters?

I just think that is too co-incidental that they show us this guy right after the Sayid Tortures the New Guy ep.

Don't know who the second guy is in real life, but the first guy was in Higlander the Movie as Kurgan, and in Earth 2 as the guy with the little girl.

ItsDan
March 3rd, 2006, 01:44 PM
He was also Zim in Starship Troopers


http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1997_Starship_Troopers/Thumb/997STS_Clancy_Brown_004.jpg


Both have distinctive voices, just not the SAME voice :)

Jonzey
March 3rd, 2006, 01:47 PM
TPTB sometimes do that to fool the audience. On "X-Files", Nick Lea had a few episodes where he wasn't listed in the credits, to purposely shock the fans when Krycek would suddenly show up in a small scene.
Like Apophis in that Sokars planet ep?

jonno
March 3rd, 2006, 04:21 PM
Wow. That was interesting. Completely NOT what I was expecting to have happened in the time Claire was taken.

Does this mean Ethan and co are actually Dharma operatives - or are they a set of Others who have taken over a Dharma facility (do we know which of the six facilities that one was?).

I still think there are two different sets of others - Ethans lot, and the ones with no shoes.

Tok'Ra Hostess
March 3rd, 2006, 05:13 PM
Oh well, chuck another wacky theory out the window....

Okay, thanks guys, for helping me out with that. One day I'm gonna upgrade my antique tv for something with clear sound/picture. :D

Osiris-RA
March 3rd, 2006, 05:26 PM
Loved this episode! I liked the premise of an on-island flashback. Very cool! Twas great being back in the jungle, that fresh crisp air, funky weather, great stuff. And Ethan's back! Whoop whoo whoo!! Claire/Ethan interaction was entertaining and hilarious. I'll sure squeeze some icons outta that one, lol. Eko speaks! Good to see The Man talking. He scared the bejesus outta me with that knife stuff. *shudder* What a guy!

I feel a little more secure now about the Others and the Island. We've seen what they're up to, have an idea of what they want with the Losties. I'm now suspecting it was all for Claire. But crash a plane for one Aussie chick? That's a bit out there, ain't it mate? So maybe they've got some kind of Invasion of the Baby Snatchers thing going. That Entertainment Weekly (or whatever) article posting one big theory leaves lots for pondering upon. Could be...

Meanwhile, 3 weeks for the next ep? They're killin' me, they're really killin' me...

Red Tigress
March 3rd, 2006, 09:50 PM
I feel a little more secure now about the Others and the Island. We've seen what they're up to, have an idea of what they want with the Losties. I'm now suspecting it was all for Claire. But crash a plane for one Aussie chick? That's a bit out there, ain't it mate? So maybe they've got some kind of Invasion of the Baby Snatchers thing going.

So in regards to the preview for the next ep and Sun getting pregnant...do you think the Others are gonna knock up every chick on the island? Haha, let's get busy!

Drahc42
March 6th, 2006, 04:38 PM
I think it was a fantastic episode. One thing I didn't realized is that Eko was being taken when he killed those "others". I thought he tried to save the other taken one. So that means that the Others thought he was a good one... So they didn't know is past, or at least is pre preist past...

Tok'Ra Hostess
March 6th, 2006, 06:21 PM
I think it was a fantastic episode. One thing I didn't realized is that Eko was being taken when he killed those "others". I thought he tried to save the other taken one. So that means that the Others thought he was a good one... So they didn't know is past, or at least is pre preist past...

That's assuming that 'good' has something to do with morality in this case.

The others might simply mean good for the purposes of their experiment.

Morbo
March 8th, 2006, 09:04 AM
here's a interesting picture regarding possible indications into the identity of Henry gale.

i'll link to it so those who don't want to see it don't have to - but i don't think its much of a spoiler/surprise
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1633/doctorgale1fn6qx.jpg

KatG
March 8th, 2006, 09:06 AM
Oooh. That's interesting.

Formerhost
March 12th, 2006, 02:31 PM
here's a interesting picture regarding possible indications into the identity of Henry gale.

i'll link to it so those who don't want to see it don't have to - but i don't think its much of a spoiler/surprise
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1633/doctorgale1fn6qx.jpg

That's really interesting...

BTW, I don't remember it from the first season, so somebody please refresh my memory - was Danielle's daughter taken from her or she died? 'cause I wondered whether this girl who saved Claire could be Danielle's daughter.

KatG
March 12th, 2006, 04:27 PM
She was taken when she was a week old.

Formerhost
March 13th, 2006, 01:04 AM
She was taken when she was a week old.

Thanks!

dirtymatt
March 14th, 2006, 01:27 PM
We know a few things about the Others now. We know that they believe there's a disease on the Island, and we know they don't have enough vaccine for everyone.

We know that Ethan was claiming that they don't have enough vaccine. Ethan was manipulating Claire into giving up her baby without a fight, I see no reason to believe he was telling the truth.

We don't even know for sure that there's a virus. Danielle has lost it, so she's not a reliable source. Ethan and The Others have lied about a number of things, so they aren't reliable. Desmond was injecting himself with something that he apparently thought was very important, possibly a vaccine, but maybe he was just told it's a vaccine, it could be saline solution.

What we do know is that so far none of the survivors have gotten sick, nor have we seen a single person get sick (outside of the baby who got a cold).

Metarock Sam
July 26th, 2006, 02:38 PM
another brilliant episode !!!!
Finally after all our waiting we finally got to learn what happned to Claire when she was taken and boy did she go through alot. I mean being totally drugged up to make herself believe that she wanted to give up the baby and so that the others could kill her for her baby.
At least now we now properly know Ethan was an other even though his tracks were sloppy (perhaps he was upset over the loss of Claire and couldnt think straight).
We also got to see the bearded man without his beard which is false (im guessing the eyebrows too) and the hat which means that the others really know what they are doing.
I am certain now that Henry is an other . It was just so prominent at the end when he was playing his mind games.
Although this station looked abandoned I think it must have been done fairly recently . Perhaps the Others saw Claire and Co coming and since Rousseau is a mad French Chick with weapons they probably decided to make it look abandoned when really it wasnt (the box with the beard etc is proof of this).
I cant wait to see what next week brings (and I damn E4 for getting rid of the previews at the end of the episode >:()

rarocks24
July 27th, 2006, 05:55 PM
I think Ethan's the daddy.

Cam_Mitchell
July 28th, 2006, 06:18 AM
I think Ethan's the daddy.

Wha? we allready know who the dad is lol. If you saw the first series she was pregnent on the plane. lol

--Gaz--

The Prophet
July 31st, 2006, 08:27 AM
We know that Ethan was claiming that they don't have enough vaccine. Ethan was manipulating Claire into giving up her baby without a fight, I see no reason to believe he was telling the truth.

We don't even know for sure that there's a virus. Danielle has lost it, so she's not a reliable source. Ethan and The Others have lied about a number of things, so they aren't reliable. Desmond was injecting himself with something that he apparently thought was very important, possibly a vaccine, but maybe he was just told it's a vaccine, it could be saline solution.

What we do know is that so far none of the survivors have gotten sick, nor have we seen a single person get sick (outside of the baby who got a cold).

What's interresting to note, is that the Hanso Foundation have apparantly been producing Pandemics, that are Cross-Species (Ape-Human) infecting. They'ver also been records (when I say records, Persephone has 'uncovered' them) that they have been releasing these diseases into the wild (I think there were soem cases in Mongolia, or somewhere like that)... Maybe they released a/this disease on the island (maybe accidentally, maybe it was part of The Incident?), that's why they're's this vaccine... The others would probably know about it, seeing as they seems to know the workings behing the island (The Show's hinting towards them being ex-Dharma Scientists, IMO) & Desmond would probably know about it from his Dharma Predecessor... (I've encased this in spoilers, just in case)

The Quarantine on the Blocked Hatch Door might have soemthing to do with it too...

(Spoilers from Live Together, Die Alone)
But from future episodes, it seems that Desmond's Predecessor was facading that it was due to the Island being in a Nuclear fallout, making Desmond stay inside the hatch while he went out in the Haz-Mat suit

mentalmichael
August 2nd, 2006, 07:17 AM
Well it was a good, tense episode, but how sodding stupid were the three women? Yeah, just walk into a hatch which you know was occupied by the others with only one pistol and one rifle. Good plan.

I think there are two groups on the Island - the "military" others and the others who "whisper", whoever the hell they are. I'm also wondering where they are based - I'm not sure but I thought that the Orientation video mentioned 3 stations. If this is true then we've already seen all three stations (the hatch, the place that the tailies were living in, and now the "nursery".) I'm guessing that there are other stations around the island, and maybe even a central control centre.

Finally, I'm intrigued by the fact that the man with the fake beard is not the leader of the "military" others - a suggestion that they might be Dharma operatives, perhaps?

So, a tense + thought provoking episode, but seriously, how stupid can you get?

Puddle Jumper One
September 17th, 2006, 03:01 PM
Hey, this could be nothing but ive read alot of peoples theorys about whats going on but no one has ever mentioned this: in this episode when ethan is about to inject clair, he opens a cabinate and then it shows the vial`s on a shelf, iv never seen the numbers written like they are there:

4-81516-23 42

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/543/4815163242ie9.th.jpg (http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4815163242ie9.jpg)

What do you guys think?