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GateWorld
July 23rd, 2004, 05:27 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 103</FONT>
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The Atlantis base is threatened when the team discovers that an alien entity is in the city. McKay's experiment with Ancient technology goes awry.

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Selmak
July 23rd, 2004, 08:06 PM
Wow... this episode was much better then I though it would be... with some genuinely funny moments... I liked McKay's heroism at the end.

IWantToBelieve
July 23rd, 2004, 08:11 PM
Loved it! Loved the humor, and the camraderie between the characters all ready there. Some very good lines and good delivery. I'm staying up to watch it re-air, and I never do that, so that tells you how much I liked it!

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 08:12 PM
McKay totally rocked. But then, he always does. ;)

Interesting ep, but I think it was bad timing to have Lockdown and Hide & Seek air on the same night. Very similar themes and even some of the camera/FX tricks were the same. I didn't quite forget which show I was watching, but there were strong overtones of the former in the latter.

I wonder if the shadow-creature is the anti-ascended thing some of us have been suggesting. Too bad it's a one-use creature.

The view inside it was rather interesting....

Oooo, and one of the better non-McKay lines has to be "We're gonna need a bigger boat." ;) THAT is the way to do an homage sorta thing. Love Jaws...

Selmak
July 23rd, 2004, 08:17 PM
Dr. Weir obviously can understand spoken ancient (Hollings prayer)
Dr. McKay and others may be able to read ancient (the personal shield manual)

Mio
July 23rd, 2004, 08:19 PM
"And can we get rid of the 10,000 year old dead plants?!"


hehe.


Oooh, i love the openning tune.

Ilios
July 23rd, 2004, 08:21 PM
Yes the opening tune was very catchy and interesting!! :)

TechnoBoY
July 23rd, 2004, 08:22 PM
Since they could figure it all out so fast. I'm wondering why they dont just figure out where the ancients got it in the first place. Then they could just gate it back there.

I really liked the ep though! Good show!

GhostPoet
July 23rd, 2004, 08:22 PM
Loved it. Great story, fleshed out the characters a little more. GREAT humor. I'm really looking forward to the next episode.

The only thing that bothers me is having the people there...well, that bothered me till I found out that this is just a transitional phase. So i'm fine with it. :) Awesome series.

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 08:22 PM
You could hear elements of the original theme mixed in (which I liked), but it's still its own beast and the arrangement is quite nice, IMO.

Mio
July 23rd, 2004, 08:24 PM
Also, we learned:

A) The ancients created the rings. (The teleporting noise was the same in the elevator things)

B) They probably wanted a low budget method for travelling across the city, since they'd be doing it often.

Selmak
July 23rd, 2004, 08:25 PM
We got to see a small glimpse of the new dialing program when McKay dialed... It looked cool.

keshou
July 23rd, 2004, 08:26 PM
That *was* strange to have both Stargate episodes with somewhat similar themes on the same night. Anyway.....

Loved, loved, loved McKay. He gets all the best lines. Also loved Sheppard. And Sheppard and McKay banter. And McKay being the hero at the end.

Hee....
"I'm going to need a bigger boat"
"Size doesn't matter"
"That's a myth"
:D

The whole plot was pretty much your standard alien cloud creature loose in the station, but they provided a nice tie-in to the Ancients with the whole ascension theme. And we got a nice look at more of the set, which continues to be pretty impressive. They could spend several episodes just exploring the city.

I liked Weir this week, she was competent, seemed to be coming into form as the head of the team. Teyla continues to be my least favorite. But hey, she's got the mystical Wraith-sensing power, guess we have to keep her. :)

So not bad for the first regular episode. Thank goodness for McKay.

Mio
July 23rd, 2004, 08:26 PM
We got to see a small glimpse of the new dialing program when McKay dialed... It looked cool. Yes. And we got the Atlantis PoO!

Give me 12 minutes to download it off my TiVo, and I'll get a screenshot.

Selmak
July 23rd, 2004, 08:29 PM
Yes. And we got the Atlantis PoO!

Give me 20 minutes to grab it off my TiVo, and I'll get a screenshot.
thanks!! I would love to see it again!

DownFallAngel
July 23rd, 2004, 08:38 PM
Mio, thats awesome! Good Job!

Mio
July 23rd, 2004, 08:40 PM
If print screen worked on directx-type thingys this would be soooo much easier. but NOOOO.... <g> Gotta convert it over to another format, blegh.

the adventurer
July 23rd, 2004, 08:44 PM
I personaly don't like the Theme Music of Atlatis and I think the EDITING of the Intro is extreamly BAD. It's not inspiring Music or a well paced Slideshow, not like SG-1's (both incarnations)

IMO of course.

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 08:47 PM
Personally, I'm just as glad that the theme/opener isn't a knock-off of SG-1. The show is SUPPOSED to be different and I'm glad to see it exercising that right. :)

IWantToBelieve
July 23rd, 2004, 08:50 PM
I was pleasantly surprised. I thought it was a little to mellow for the premiere but they notched it up just that little bit that made it better for an opening theme for the show. I like it.

Mio
July 23rd, 2004, 08:56 PM
should seriously consider upping the amount of space we get to upload files:P

dannyh
July 23rd, 2004, 09:00 PM
It was odd that SG1 and SGA both had similar themes.. the ascended beings. I that it was pretty cool in a way, but wished it to be different, kinda got old watching 2 different casts play out the same game. The even ended the same way, w/ the ascended beings going through the gate.

Despite my above gripe, I am really starting to enjoy the Atlantis cast, i was hesitant at first, now its starting to sink in.

Viewing this episode by itself (without taking the sg1 episode in mind), I thought it was really cool, tayla was a strong leader for her people when she explained the "shadow is scared of fire". I thought that was cool.

McKay, OMG, you gotta love him. I was really worried the O'Neal sense of humor would be lost in SGA, now I realize we have McKay.

So Weir can understand spoken ancient, and McKay can read it, we are starting to make some headway eh?

Looking forward to next episode =D

DownFallAngel
July 23rd, 2004, 09:06 PM
Thanks Mio!

Mio
July 23rd, 2004, 09:07 PM
I posted a clean version of the PoO in the PoO thread. :)


Anyway, back to the episode....I like McKay :D

Ilios
July 23rd, 2004, 09:09 PM
Yes McKay was excellent in this episode, very funny!!

Liebestraume
July 23rd, 2004, 09:10 PM
Something kinda puzzles me about tonight's episode: was it suggesting that the Ancients had learned how to "ascend" by studying other sentient beings? Specifically, did they trap that "black cloud" just so that they could experiment on it/him? Somehow that clashes with the enlightened benevolence they seemed to have projected heretofore.

On a side note, McKay is kinda growing on me but Weir is starting to wear -- can't put my fingers on why, though.

Mio
July 23rd, 2004, 09:10 PM
I love how it fell off when Weir suggested he activate the device :P

dannyh
July 23rd, 2004, 09:14 PM
I love how it fell off when Weir suggested he activate the device :P

That was classic =)

uknesvuinng
July 23rd, 2004, 09:20 PM
Something kinda puzzles me about tonight's episode: was it suggesting that the Ancients had learned how to "ascend" by studying other sentient beings? Specifically, did they trap that "black cloud" just so that they could experiment on it/him? Somehow that clashes with the enlightened benevolence they seemed to have projected heretofore.

In the scene where they found the lab, I thought McKay said "studying a sentient". But on further thought of the conversation, I realized he said "studying ascension". He's Canadian. I don't recall anyone saying it was sentient; McKay made several references to how "stupid" the creature was and was only looking for food, though it clearly had an understanding of "fool me once, etc."

Liebestraume
July 23rd, 2004, 09:32 PM
In the scene where they found the lab, I thought McKay said "studying a sentient". But on further thought of the conversation, I realized he said "studying ascension". He's Canadian. I don't recall anyone saying it was sentient; McKay made several references to how "stupid" the creature was and was only looking for food, though it clearly had an understanding of "fool me once, etc."
Right, I thought he said "ascension" instead of "a sentient" as well. Still, no matter how "stupid" the creature was, he/it was clearly a sentient being. It surprised me a little that the Ancients would treat the creature like we do a lab rat. But I am actually quite happy if the Ancients turn out to be not quite as "nice" as they have appeared thus far. Makes them more interesting.

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 09:40 PM
Every peaceful, benevolent species has to have a few skeletons in their evolutionary closet...

And McKay definitely said "studying Ascension." Sometimes closed captioning comes in handy. ;)

airdish
July 23rd, 2004, 09:43 PM
And McKay definitely said "studying Ascension." Sometimes closed captioning comes in handy. ;)

I wouldn't have it any other way. I watch 95% of my TV with CC on. That why I always know what people say, I learn new words, and I can watch TV when people are loud in the other room.

Nolamom
July 23rd, 2004, 09:44 PM
Nice epi. BTW, does Rodney EVER stop eating (when he can eat, that is!)

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 09:46 PM
Nice epi. BTW, does Rodney EVER stop eating (when he can eat, that is!)
I love his obsession with food. Reminds me of me. ;) Although I think he probably has a slight edge over me in that department. At least he has food to eat when he wants it... and when he can eat it... hehe

keshou
July 23rd, 2004, 09:49 PM
I began using CC because of all the fast-talking guys on scifi shows (John on Farscape, Daniel on SG-1). Now I keep it on all the time...good thing since it appears McKay is joining the fast-talker list. ;)

Back on topic, I thought the CC indicated that at one point someone said the alien cloud was "sentient". I also remember (separately) McKay relating that the Ancients were "studying ascension". So I remember both.

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 09:52 PM
I do recall something about the cloud being sentient, yes, although McKay seemed to think it was more of an animal-level sentience, like that of a shark, as opposed to something "evolved" like a person.

Persephone
July 23rd, 2004, 09:56 PM
Nice epi. BTW, does Rodney EVER stop eating (when he can eat, that is!)

Lol- kind of like a very much missed Kelownan I can think of on SG-1 :)

I actually remember thinking the plots of the two episodes looked similar just from watching their previews back to back last week. It is odd and a little redundant that they both aired tonight. Strangely enough, though, I enjoyed the Atlantis rendition more.

As for the Ancients' supposed benevolence or lack thereof, I'm also glad to find more nuances to their society. As with any society, remember that they wouldn't all be bad or all be good (well, maybe the Wraith are an exception, I guess we'll find out- lol), but my point being... if the Ancients were a diverse people, it's realistic that they would have had (as a people) a variety of philosiphies and moral standards.

One thing that really tickled me about this episode was the "Mouse Trap" itself. If I'm not mistaken, it's the exact same prop that was used in "Sight Unseen." The reason I loved this, though, is that-- despite the obvious recycling of franchise props, lol-- when you stop to think about it, it makes sense. Both devices served functions along a similar line: to attract alien beings of another plane. I just enjoyed the continuity :)

The Atlantis theme music doesn't really jump out and grab me, but I agree that it should be different from SG-1, so... I'm neutral. LOL

Incidentally, it would seem that Dr. Weir's one personal item was a curling iron. LOL But I like the curly hair, actually.

(My friend Melyanna points out that perhaps her hair really is curly and her one personal item wasn't a straightener) ;)

keshou
July 23rd, 2004, 09:57 PM
I do recall something about the cloud being sentient, yes, although McKay seemed to think it was more of an animal-level sentience, like that of a shark, as opposed to something "evolved" like a person.
That's it! I recall the shark comparison now.

Totally different topic, but one thing that annoyed me were the kids. I hope they're going to be appearing very infrequently. Although the bit with Sheppard trying to scare them with his "Jason" story *was* kind of cute I guess.

dannyh
July 23rd, 2004, 10:07 PM
If i keep it up, I'll be a Jaffa warrior by tomarrow (like 7 posts tonight? YAY)

The kids make it more realisitic to me, I mean Atlantis IS a CITY. Its going to take people to maintain/inhabit it to help defend against the wraith right? I think the kids being there give it a not-so-military feel, kind of a way to stray away from the SG1 version of the stargate universe.

As always, just my thoughts.

/EDIT STARTS HERE/
Forgot to add in this comment:
They DO need to setup a "recreation" area though

Rusk
July 23rd, 2004, 10:08 PM
That's it! I recall the shark comparison now.

Totally different topic, but one thing that annoyed me were the kids. I hope they're going to be appearing very infrequently. Although the bit with Sheppard trying to scare them with his "Jason" story *was* kind of cute I guess.

Yes, that's why Sheppard made the "Jaws" joke later :D

Mckay is funny, but in the past I'd found him a bit annoying when he was around too much. However, he grew on me in this episode. I actually liked the Atlantis episode better, it had nice character development. Teyla hasn't made an impression yet, though.

I don't think they are going to make airing episodes of SG-1 and Atlantis that are so similar a habit. Probably just trying to expand upon acension and the Ancients early in the season as it will become more important later (in both series).

Ilios
July 23rd, 2004, 10:09 PM
If i keep it up, I'll be a Jaffa warrior by tomarrow (like 7 posts tonight? YAY).

You'll need 13 more posts to become a Mature Symbiote, not a Jaffa Warrior...

dannyh
July 23rd, 2004, 10:10 PM
You'll need 13 more posts to become a Mature Symbiote, not a Jaffa Warrior...

Oh ya, my mistake :), anything will be better than a Prim'tah

Ilios
July 23rd, 2004, 10:11 PM
Oh ya, my mistake :), anything will be better than a Prim'tah

No problem :o

aaobuttons
July 23rd, 2004, 10:27 PM
I enjoyed this episode. I thought it did a good job of fleshing out the background people. I saw alot of them in their everyday lives and got a feeling that they were part of the show, not just the background for Sheppard and Co.

I like the new theme music. I was neutral on it when I first saw it, and then when I saw the re-air I realized it fit in really well with the vibe of the show. Its slower and more expansive, not fastpaced and short. Definetly more like a exploritory city feel, and not a military adventure feel.

I'm still not liking Teyla, she has no personality and is way to soft spoken to be a leader of her people.

Oh, and I like the kids, don't know why, but I do.

kiwigater
July 23rd, 2004, 11:02 PM
Lol- kind of like a very much missed Kelownan I can think of on SG-1 :)
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As for the Ancients' supposed benevolence or lack thereof, I'm also glad to find more nuances to their society. As with any society, remember that they wouldn't all be bad or all be good (well, maybe the Wraith are an exception, I guess we'll find out- lol), but my point being... if the Ancients were a diverse people, it's realistic that they would have had (as a people) a variety of philosiphies and moral standards.
I hadn't thought of this, guess i haven't spent that much time contemplating the Ancients really.... They ARE much more interesting as a flawed species...


One thing that really tickled me about this episode was the "Mouse Trap" itself. If I'm not mistaken, it's the exact same prop that was used in "Sight Unseen." The reason I loved this, though, is that-- despite the obvious recycling of franchise props, lol-- when you stop to think about it, it makes sense. Both devices served functions along a similar line: to attract alien beings of another plane. I just enjoyed the continuity :)
LOL! I was wondering the same thing!!! Hey, that thing looks kinda familiar.... :p :D


The Atlantis theme music doesn't really jump out and grab me, but I agree that it should be different from SG-1, so... I'm neutral. LOL

eh. Didn't much make an impact. Except for the oddest reason (and I can't put my finger on it) it reminded me of the Enterprise opening... not the music per se, but the feel of the CG shots/ships (??? :S )


Incidentally, it would seem that Dr. Weir's one personal item was a curling iron. LOL But I like the curly hair, actually.

(My friend Melyanna points out that perhaps her hair really is curly and her one personal item wasn't a straightener) ;)
THANK YOU!!! I was beginning to wonder if I was going crazy!!! About the first thing I thought was.... "what the heck happened to Dr Weir's hair??? Wasn't it STRAIGHT last week??" :p :D :D :D
Other than that, definitely enjoyed the snarkiness :D , (I shot him... LOL!), funnily enough I enjoyed SOME aspects of having kids around - it adds a dynamic and dimension that is lacking in SG-1 (not saying I WANT it in SG-1, in fact I really don't, just that its nicely different - reminded me a bit of TNG).

It really is a bit odd that the two SG eps were so similar.... *shrugs* I'll take what I can get!

Icemancmd
July 23rd, 2004, 11:02 PM
Shepperd: He's ok, he just fainted
McKay: Can't we just say Passed out?

Icemancmd
July 23rd, 2004, 11:03 PM
You'll need 13 more posts to become a Mature Symbiote, not a Jaffa Warrior...

I am a Jaffa :D

Major Tyler
July 23rd, 2004, 11:07 PM
I loved everyone in this Episode! I was crying out for McKay to save the day and I'm glad I was not disappointed. I also liked Aiden's scene with Jinto..."Stuff happens." :)

Selmak
July 23rd, 2004, 11:09 PM
I am a Jaffa :D
That is VERY off topic.

gwangung
July 23rd, 2004, 11:18 PM
Heh. As of now, the TRUE major protagonist of this series is actually McKay. His character is going through the most changes, and they're of the classic hero mold - flawed character rises above his faults to achieve great things. He did a Hero move...though with the help of a superscience crutch. It's only a matter of time before he throws away his crutch.... :D

Archivekeepr
July 24th, 2004, 12:13 AM
*Sigh* It's becoming official that while I still love the Stargate universe, I have not enjoyed much from Atlantis. "Hide and Seek" was your general alien-loose-on-board episode. Yes, I'll admit that I actually liked it better than "Rising" plot-wise, but it's still not making me holler with joy or anything. It's so disappointing, especially since I was very much looking forward for a good episode. Below are a few notes:

- Although I liked the idea that the Ancients were a race of mixed nuts, like the human race, I didn't really like the idea that they were "experimenting with ascension" through the means of a shadowy energy blob; that just seems lame to me, but I'll talk more about that later. Further more, I believe that the whole "mixed nuts" issue was already demonstrated in SG-1's episode, "Ascension." Think about it, if the ascended can wipe out an entire planet of people, possibly numbering in the millions, just because they had in their possession a powerful weapon; while they fully had the ability to disable, remove or even tinker with the said weapon to make it ineffective- I think that already demonstrated that this isn't a group of fairy godmothers.

- More about that lame energy blob issue: Up until now, we've always been told implicitly by various lines in "meridian" and "abyss" that ascension is essentially a mystical spiritual journey, in which you become a powerful energy being, mainly because you no longer need your biological body. It was shown that while you could regain your corporal body, it would require one of the others to re-ascend. This would fit if it WAS a mystical situation, since normal people might not be able to cast aside all of the human negative emotions in order to become ascended and therefore need a bit of help from your glowy friends. But, now that we've got the Ancients who apparently studied ascension as a biology project, it becomes very FUBAR-ed.

If ascension really is biological and part of any species' evolutionary process, why couldn't anyone just ascend? I mean, just build yourself a big genetic machine and WHAM! Glowy time! For that matter, why didn't Nirrti just glowed herself up in "metamorphsis?" She had the mother of all genetic tweaking machines. Hell! Orlin could have build, or just gated to wherever there was an Ascend-a-tron and zapped himself! He didn't need the others at all! Bottom line, the concept of ascending be a genetic thing is absolutely nonsense even in the basic principles. Think of it, ascension converts the biological body, flesh, blood, cells, everything, into living energy- So, why would there be DNA left over if there are no cells? There's been two episodes so far and two big biology mistakes;BW and RCC, read the signs- GET A BIOLOGY TUTOR! Now, if they had implied that the whole ascension process was an atomic or subatomic thing, I would have kinda bought that, since energy would still require atoms and it's components.

- McKay: Although he looked absolutely like a pig when he was scrafing down those energy bars, at least the man is still snarky and funny. I think that the scene where he fainted was just too convienent to be anything but threatric, but I digress.

-Weir, Teyla and Ford: Weir didn't really push my buttons either way in this episode, she just said the things a leader would probably say and yelled commands when she's supposed to, that's it. That only interesting thing that showed up is that apparently one of the five languages that she's supposed to know is Latin. Which, for an international political player, would be logical. Good job on that one, TPTB. As for Teyla, I still think that they can stop paying Rachel to play her and just put the clothes on a mannequin and have a tape recorder play back the lines, since she's just as stoic as ever. But, at least she demonstrated that she does have some sort of a brain, since she suggested sending the entity to somewhere else. Before I forget, what the hell is that lighting thing that she burnt the candle with? Ancient lighter? Meh. Now, don't even get me started on Ford, who they just blobbed because they need to demonstrate that the blob is dangerous.

-Sheppard: He's still cute with that scruffy chin fuzz and no real signs of MEGA!Sheppard this week, so at least that's good.

Overall, I think that TPTB are still just doing average Scifi template loading episodes, with no real character development except just enough arguing and technobabble to make it barely presentable. *Shakes head, sighs* You were capable of SO much more, Atlantis.

gwangung
July 24th, 2004, 12:42 AM
- More about that lame energy blob issue: Up until now, we've always been told implicitly by various lines in "meridian" and "abyss" that ascension is essentially a mystical spiritual journey, in which you become a powerful energy being, mainly because you no longer need your biological body. It was shown that while you could regain your corporal body, it would require one of the others to re-ascend. This would fit if it WAS a mystical situation, since normal people might not be able to cast aside all of the human negative emotions in order to become ascended and therefore need a bit of help from your glowy friends. But, now that we've got the Ancients who apparently studied ascension as a biology project, it becomes very FUBAR-ed.

If ascension really is biological and part of any species' evolutionary process, why couldn't anyone just ascend? I mean, just build yourself a big genetic machine and WHAM! Glowy time! For that matter, why didn't Nirrti just glowed herself up in "metamorphsis?" She had the mother of all genetic tweaking machines. Hell! Orlin could have build, or just gated to wherever there was an Ascend-a-tron and zapped himself! He didn't need the others at all! Bottom line, the concept of ascending be a genetic thing is absolutely nonsense even in the basic principles. Think of it, ascension converts the biological body, flesh, blood, cells, everything, into living energy- So, why would there be DNA left over if there are no cells? There's been two episodes so far and two big biology mistakes;BW and RCC, read the signs- GET A BIOLOGY TUTOR! Now, if they had implied that the whole ascension process was an atomic or subatomic thing, I would have kinda bought that, since energy would still require atoms and it's components.


a) Who said it was entirely physical or biological? Moreover, who said that the physical methods weren't a dead end? Or a necessary but not sufficient step. We simply don't know enough about the process.

b) Ascension, of course, would not convert the entire body. At least not the way you think. You shed dead cells, etc. as you live, leaving all that DNA around to be examined. I doubt ascension would "convert" all the skin, hair and all the other type of cells you left behind hours and days before....

morjana
July 24th, 2004, 01:36 AM
The SciFi Channel has updated both the "Stargate SG-1" and the "Stargate Atlantis" sites with episode synopses for tonight's episodes:


STARGATE SG-1

Download teaser for "Zero Hour":

http://www.scifi.com/stargate/teaser/index.html

"Lockdown" Episode Synopsis:

http://www.scifi.com/stargate/episodes/season8/0803/

Plus four photos and a General O'Neill sound byte -- "The Problem with Yukon Gold Potatoes"

http://www.scifi.com/stargate/episodes/season8/0803/oneal_clip.html


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STARGATE ATLANTIS


"Hide and Seek" Episode Synopsis:

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/season1/episode103/

Plus four photos

And a "Did You Know?" feature on:

According to Dr. Beckett, "We believe ATA, or Ancient Technology Activation, is caused by a single gene that's always on, instructing various cells in the body to produce a series of proteins and enzymes that interact with the skin, the nervous system, and the brain." In his experimental genetic therapy that could allow ATA with treated humans, "we're using a mouse retrovirus to deliver the missing gene."

Download teaser for "Hide and Seek":

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/season1/episode103/video_clip.html

Download the ORIGINAL Stargate Atlantis teaser:

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/video/teaser.html



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Manic
July 24th, 2004, 02:51 AM
"I didn't faint. I passed out... from manly hunger."

McKay totally stole this episode, in terms of humor. Or rather "humour," since he's Canadian and all. I was laughing at him from the beginning. I thought it was great how he told Dr. Beckett that medicine was about as scientific as voodoo, but Beckett explained the process of grafting the ancient gene into his DNA in the most complicated way possible. My opinion on that is mostly swayed by my ideas on the title of "doctor." I think it's great that physicists and archeologists can achieve advanced degrees, but I always associate the term "doctor" with medical pros. It's like that episode of SG-1 where someone assumed Daniel was a medic. But I digress.

Sheppard testing McKay's invulnerability thingy... priceless.
"I shot him!"

Teyla was no more stiff than Teal'c was during his first few episodes. Personally, I didn't come to love Teal'c until season 3. So that's saying something.

Dr. Weir's hair... interesting. It actually makes her look less uptight, which is good.

I have nothing to say about Ford. He was there, he got turned into cannon fodder (which, according to the rules of sci-fi, should've happened to the other guy), and he talked to a kid.

Sheppard had a few good moments. I liked how he would try to explain something (Friday the 13th, football), end up having to explain something else (a hockey mask, a hail mary), and still trying desperately to explain even more (the game of hockey, who Mary was). Storytelling is not one of his strongest suits, but at least he can hold your attention.

They explained the creature was probably used to experiment with ascension, but they never clearly stated that the creature was that similar to an ascended being. For all we know, the blob-cloud-shadow-thingy might've given the Ancients the idea of living in a pure-energy state, but the method we've seen people ascend in past episodes of SG-1 might be the results of a different experiment. After all, the Ancients ascended in the Milky Way, but this creature they were experimenting on was left in Pegasus.

ShadowMaat
July 24th, 2004, 06:51 AM
Not to add to the fluff factor of this thread, but... since they're on an ocean world, maybe there's more humidity in the air making Wer's hair curl. Stupid explanation, I know, but I live on an island and I know that certain types of weather cause my hair to curl like mad.

Good to see that the Ancients are, as someone put it, "a flawed species". Perfection is nice, but it's a little unrealistic, IMO.

Have I mentioned how much I love McKay?? ;) And he didn't look like a pig when he was scarfing the energy bar. :P

IWantToBelieve
July 24th, 2004, 07:04 AM
Coming from a victim of natural curly hair, it doesn't look that good without a curling iron. :)

I agree, it made her seem softer, think it was a good move on their part, although I'm sure it'll change throughout.

I'm in luv with Shep. His character is adorable. He's got very good expressions, and his acting just feels right on all the time. He and McKay play off each other beautifully, and this episode really highlighted that ability.

Teal'c
July 24th, 2004, 07:32 AM
I'm loving Atlantis even more! McKay was hilarious, this was soooo much better than I expected. And the main cast are gelling togther so well (except Teyla unfortunately...). Can't wait for 38 Minutes :D

aAnubiSs
July 24th, 2004, 08:06 AM
I guess Teyla will be the outsider in the beginning, just like Teal'c was.

Persephone
July 24th, 2004, 08:46 AM
Not to add to the fluff factor of this thread, but... since they're on an ocean world, maybe there's more humidity in the air making Wer's hair curl. Stupid explanation, I know, but I live on an island and I know that certain types of weather cause my hair to curl like mad.

Hmmn, that's a fair point. Could very well be, although as IWantToBelieve, for most humidity tends to add up to the frizz factor (I, too, am an unfortunate victim), however there is always the leeway of TV magic in this case. ;)


I agree with whoever it was that pointed out just because the Ancients were experimenting with this darkness thingy for ascension research doesn't necessarily mean it had anything to do with how they eventually figured out how to do it. I believe it truly was a spiritual journey, in the end.

Shipperahoy
July 24th, 2004, 08:55 AM
I really enjoyed this episode. I love Shepard and I LOVE McKay. Thus far they haven't really given the others much to do so it's hard to say. I'm sure they'll flesh them out more in upcoming episodes. So far they've given Dr. Beckett more to say and do than Lt. Ford and he's not even in the credits. I have a feeling they're going to do with him what they did with Dr. Fraiser and have him be in the series pretty much constantly but not put him in the opening credits. This show has definately got the comic quotient in high amounts. I haven't laughed that hard in a while. Have I mentioned how much I love David Hewlitt? Having Lockdown and Hide and Seek air back to back did seem a little bit like deja vu but I still liked it.

aAnubiSs
July 24th, 2004, 09:06 AM
Ascension has nothing to do with any spiritual stuff or anything like that, I am 100% sure of that. Both regarding stargate and real life.

There comes a time when a species have no need for a physical body, it's evolution. You get there by waiting for it to happen, or get there by manipulating youself. Starting to pray and stuff doesn't make people ascend.

Oma helps the "right" people ascend, because they don't want any more Anubis' ascended. That doesn't mean Oma got there by going all spiritual.

Bacardi
July 24th, 2004, 09:29 AM
but o'neill is the more evolutionarily advanced. daniel was just a normal human so it had2 be either spiritual or oma did something to his dying body that accellerated the process, and the enlightenment treatment was to help explain the ascension.

the fact that the ancients were experimenting with ascension tells me that for all their rules about not accelelrating the natural ascension process, thats what they appeared to be doing for themselves.

they probably had witnessed energy beings on one of the worlds they visited, captured the darkness thingy and were trying to determine how they cud turn themselves into that form..

Rusk
July 24th, 2004, 09:53 AM
Ascension has nothing to do with any spiritual stuff or anything like that, I am 100% sure of that. Both regarding stargate and real life.

There comes a time when a species have no need for a physical body, it's evolution. You get there by waiting for it to happen, or get there by manipulating youself. Starting to pray and stuff doesn't make people ascend.

Oma helps the "right" people ascend, because they don't want any more Anubis' ascended. That doesn't mean Oma got there by going all spiritual.

The ones who follow Oma are few of many, they just follow the spirtual path as Oma does. The other Ancients who have acscended aren't neccesarily as spiritual as Oma and her followers are. Likea AnubiSs says, they could have just reached that point in their evolution, and studying non-corporeal beings like the blob lead them down that path.

Don't assume that all acsension is spiritual, we already know that Oma's followers aren't the only people who can acsend. That doesn't mean they made an "acension machine", however.

aAnubiSs
July 24th, 2004, 09:56 AM
O'Neill isn't spiritual at all from what I've seen, yet Daniel offered him ascension.

DAL SHAKKA MEL
July 24th, 2004, 10:30 AM
My favorite scene was when weir said that McKay should stay behind and Mckay's jaw droped and the sheild fell off.

DarkQuee1
July 24th, 2004, 10:52 AM
No more enamored of the series after this episode than last week's. The cast/characters still don't do anything for me. And--unlike with many of my fellow posters on this thread--McKay is wearing out his welcome. For me, he's one of those characters where a little goes a long way.

I can't believe that, after only "two days" (according to McKay. It may be a little longer), Beckett would try to make a DNA change in a human after no (apparently) real time for any detailed experimentation on the mice. This undermined Beckett's character for me: for the sake of a plot device, they had him act like an irresponsible idiot.

Didn't this ep contradict "Full Circle"? According to FC, some of the Ancients were able to ascend to escape a plague. There's no indication in Ayianna's holographic explanation last week of any plague around (they left the city because of the Wraith), yet they seemed to be experimenting with ascension anyway.

Again, unlike many of the posts I've seen here, I really liked to opening credits and I *love* the theme. Like it better than SG-1's, in fact.

J.

uknesvuinng
July 24th, 2004, 11:10 AM
I can't believe that, after only "two days" (according to McKay. It may be a little longer), Beckett would try to make a DNA change in a human after no (apparently) real time for any detailed experimentation on the mice. This undermined Beckett's character for me: for the sake of a plot device, they had him act like an irresponsible idiot.

He had been testing the procedure for a period of time before they went to Atlantis. McKay was the first human test, mostly because of legal reasons. It's "legal" in Pegasus.


Didn't this ep contradict "Full Circle"? According to FC, some of the Ancients were able to ascend to escape a plague. There's no indication in Ayianna's holographic explanation last week of any plague around (they left the city because of the Wraith), yet they seemed to be experimenting with ascension anyway.


Actually, their studying ascension no more means they needed the immediate out than earth's alpha site means the earth has been conquered by the Goa'uld. The plague forced them to ascend or die. They were studying ascension before that. The plague just required them to ascend, it didn't create their interest in it.

Liebestraume
July 24th, 2004, 01:32 PM
Good to see that the Ancients are, as someone put it, "a flawed species". Perfection is nice, but it's a little unrealistic, IMO. Not to add to the fluff factor of this thread, but since you brought it up ... :p

As mentioned up thread, the apparent imperfection in the the Ancients only makes them a more interesting species and the whole story more engaging. For instance, the episode made it fairly clear the black-cloud-shodowy-blob, albeit sentient, was evolutionally primitive, what with foreshadowing of the opening sequence (i.e., the lab rat and the gene therapy) and the character dialogue. But, primitive according to whom? The Goa'uld might have argued that it was okay to enslave the "primitive" humans, but we certainly don't see it that way. So, where does one draw the metaphysical line? Would the ability to communicate make all the difference?

ShadowMaat
July 24th, 2004, 01:34 PM
So, where does one draw the metaphysical line? Would the ability to communicate make all the difference?
And how do you define communication? Just because "we" can't understand it doesn't mean that it/they don't have some way of conveying information...

Liebestraume
July 24th, 2004, 01:52 PM
And how do you define communication? Just because "we" can't understand it doesn't mean that it/they don't have some way of conveying information...
Good point. So, again, where and how one draws the line? It just seems that, however one defines the boundary, it variably ends up being quite self-centered.

Manic
July 24th, 2004, 03:06 PM
I can't believe that, after only "two days" (according to McKay. It may be a little longer), Beckett would try to make a DNA change in a human after no (apparently) real time for any detailed experimentation on the mice. This undermined Beckett's character for me: for the sake of a plot device, they had him act like an irresponsible idiot.
He had mentioned that they were doing these experiments on rats for a while, but the FDA wouldn't allow him to test it on humans. Since there's no FDA in Pegasus, he decides to test it out on McKay. The fact that it works makes him look like a freaking genius. While Frasier was simply a great medical doctor, I think Beckett might be both a medical doctor and a biologist.

Selmak
July 24th, 2004, 03:35 PM
Carson said he was experimenting with it on Earth but couldn't get proper FDA approval... even though he was in Antarctica?

Ugly Pig
July 24th, 2004, 03:45 PM
Just got through watching last nights new Atlantis episode. I haven't read any comments about it yet, so everything I have to say about it might have already been discussed in detail. In any case:


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Hide and Seek'

I've got to say right away that after the spectacular premiere last week, this episode wasn't nearly as interesting by comparison. It wasn't bad, it just wasn't particularly exciting. Might have something to do with how the Athosians featured quite a bit in it, and so far they kind of bore me. Hopefully, that will change in time.

The episode did have an interesting plot point, however: That the Ancients may not have ascended naturally. This is actually something I've been thinking about for quite a while. Maybe I'll type up a post sharing my thoughts on this subject one of these days. Should be interesting to see how TPTB will follow up on this.

The story regarding the shadow creature wasn't all that exciting, if I am to be honest (which I hear is good). Still, the last couple of minutes were kind of cool, with the dark mist covering the gateroom. I really liked how it was resolved, though - McKay got to be the hero! Yay!

Not surprisingly, McKay also provided the best humorous moments. I loved his scenes early in the episode, especially when he got pushed off the balcony! 'In-vul-nerable!' My favorite pieces of dialogue for this episode was when Sheppard admitted to having shot McKay, as well as McKay after he got punched in the face: 'Notice that he didn't even hesitate!'. Heh heh... Good stuff! His 'I'm gonna die' routine got a little old over the course of the episode, though.

Oh well... While it wasn't the best thing I've seen, the episode was at least worthwhile. And hey, the preview for the next episode actually looks really, really promising.

furry
July 24th, 2004, 06:24 PM
I wasn't impressed by Hide and seek either. Most of the time I just tuned out while working on the computer.

Does anyone else find that father character annoying?

RunOrDie
July 24th, 2004, 06:32 PM
Personally I rather liked the episode. However, the kids and the socializing scenes just seemed to drag on forever and reminded me of some of the worst Enterprise episodes.

Also sometimes the actors mumble incoherently or talk at 100 miles an hour, especially McKay. Maybe it's because he's Canadian or something. And don't get me started on the irish accent :)

ShadowMaat
July 24th, 2004, 06:38 PM
Also sometimes the actors mumble incoherently or talk at 100 miles an hour, especially McKay. Maybe it's because he's Canadian or something. And don't get me started on the irish accent :)
Some people just speak naturally fast. It has nothing to do with nationality. Puh-lease! Peter DeLuise can be pretty speedy when he gets going on a subject, too. Last time I checked, he was American.

As for the accent, Beckett is a Scotsman, so if you're trying to make it an Irish accent, yeah, it's going to sound bad. ;)

RunOrDie
July 24th, 2004, 06:42 PM
As for the accent, Beckett is a Scotsman, so if you're trying to make it an Irish accent, yeah, it's going to sound bad. ;)

Heh, I was thinking scottish but wrote irish. That'll teach me to reread my posts :P

Newbie
July 24th, 2004, 06:43 PM
I like the epsiode....McKay finally showed his bravery....! My mouth was open when they said that Ancients researched ascention...WOW...so we probably will get to know some more info about that in the later ep, and i can't wait for it. Basically the ep deserves, imho, maximum possible points!

Selmak
July 24th, 2004, 06:48 PM
I think McKay's bravery is going to be used as a plot device to get Sheppard to put him on his off-world team.

Elwe Singollo
July 24th, 2004, 06:51 PM
I was kind of ''áhh'' when Mckay couldn't get the device off of him, and even though i don't like the character much, i still felt bad, although i knew deep inside, he'll find a way to get it off.

As for fast-talking Mckay, if i understand what the person is saying, then i have no problem :)

ShadowMaat
July 24th, 2004, 07:02 PM
I think McKay's bravery is going to be used as a plot device to get Sheppard to put him on his off-world team.
I would have figured McKay was a natural for Shep's team, anyway, by dint of fact that he's the smartest of the crew and he knows the most about the gate and whatnot.

chiefchucky
July 24th, 2004, 10:19 PM
I really enjoyed this episode probably more than rising. I was sort of wishing that they would have sent the darkness to the wraith colony. That would have been a nice touch.

Major Tyler
July 25th, 2004, 12:30 AM
I really enjoyed this episode probably more than rising. I was sort of wishing that they would have sent the darkness to the wraith colony. That would have been a nice touch. That would have been AWESOME! Why didn't anyone think of that?! That would have been much cooler, and they would have dealt an incredible blow to the Wraith.

Obviously that ship would have immediately drawn the creature too it, even though the Shadow would be in orbit. After it was done draining that naquadah reacter it would have been HUGE and caused a lot of damage to the Wraith "mothership," and maybe would have killed a few of the SOBs in the process! We would have had our revenge for Colonel Sumner, to some degree.

A disappointing missed opportunity (sigh). I almost wish you hadn't said anything about it. :) Good idea!

Edit: Oooh, it gets even better! The entity would likely stay around the Stargate while it was draining the naquadah reactor. The Wraith would send Darts to investigate, and they would get "eaten up" by the Shadow and cause it to grow larger, and surround the gate more.

It any Wraith Darts dialled the Gate and tried to escape, the entity would draw power from the gate (for at least 38 minutes) and grow exponentially larger. So, the Wraith would not be able to use the gate, which keeps Pegasus safe, and Wraith could not escape.

Once the entity was done draining the Terran naquadah reactor, the Wraith Darts, and the Stargate (whenever it was active) it would seek the next largest power source; the Wraith "mothership." Of course the Wraith would have to survive, but the Shadow attack would limit their capability (and they could possibly lose their mothership) which helps level the playing field and allow us humans from Earth to be able to effectively defeat the Wraith (eventually) when the Ancients could not.

The story practically writes itself! The only flaw I could see is if the entity went to the Sun as the largest power source instead of the ship, but if it's smart enough not to go back to its cage, its smart enough not to go after a star. :p

gwangung
July 25th, 2004, 01:53 AM
I really enjoyed this episode probably more than rising. I was sort of wishing that they would have sent the darkness to the wraith colony. That would have been a nice touch.

Or not. Perhaps the Wraith knows all about this creature...and knew how to use it to destroy Ancient colonies.

Think the Atlantis gang would need more information before they decide to do that kind of thing...

Ugly Pig
July 25th, 2004, 03:12 AM
I would have figured McKay was a natural for Shep's team, anyway, by dint of fact that he's the smartest of the crew and he knows the most about the gate and whatnot.
Besides, judging by dialogue between Sheppard and Teyla, he's already put his team together. That, by the way, is something that annoyed me a little: It only got mentioned in passing, and we weren't even told who the team members would be. What made him pick Teyla? Who else did he pick? Are we meant to just assume everyone in the opening titles got picked?

Manic
July 25th, 2004, 03:32 AM
Besides, judging by dialogue between Sheppard and Teyla, he's already put his team together. That, by the way, is something that annoyed me a little: It only got mentioned in passing, and we weren't even told who the team members would be. What made him pick Teyla? Who else did he pick? Are we meant to just assume everyone in the opening titles got picked?
I was just assuming that was something they were going to make clear when they finally go off-world. There wasn't much point in telling us who's on the team in this episode, because it wouldn't have made any difference. It still would've gone by in the midst of conversation, because the entire personnel was acting as a team.

redtwo
July 25th, 2004, 06:59 AM
I really enjoyed this episode probably more than rising. I was sort of wishing that they would have sent the darkness to the wraith colony. That would have been a nice touch.

That's just what we need, the Wraith learning to ascend. They don't know how smart these Wraith are or what kind of technologies they have. I would think they would leave them be until they can better asses the situation. They are going to come after Atlantis anyway, its better if they don't have a bigger reason than just to feed.

My humble opinion

Major Tyler
July 25th, 2004, 09:41 AM
That's just what we need, the Wraith learning to ascend.I don't think they'd learn to ascend by being killed by an energy being. They'd have to capture and study it...I doubt they have the equipment ready for just such an occasion. Plus it took the Ancients millions of years of study, and thousands of years of mental discipline to Ascend. I don't think the Wraith are into Zen things.


They don't know how smart these Wraith are or what kind of technologies they have. They can't be too smart if they let a couple humans just waltz in and kill their Keeper. And their technology wasn't that impressive to be honest...their Darts didn't even have shields.

Mio
July 25th, 2004, 09:46 AM
the jumpers don't have shields either. But at least they have Glowy Jellyfish, a large stock of them, apparently. And Even 1 jellyfish is enough to take down a dart.

Allthough, in TLC, the GJODs could destroy things, and still exist....in Rising, when they hit a dart, they were destroyed...

Major Tyler
July 25th, 2004, 09:56 AM
the jumpers don't have shields either.I never claimed they did.

raeble
July 25th, 2004, 03:33 PM
That great big mangly jesus irritates me as well. Then there's the kids, I can just hear the line "Ginko Bolo has something to say to you" being spoken every single week after the little brat has fingled something he shouldn't have. The extra's bill must be huge on Atlantis. I bet as the season goes on and they get more strapped for cash, we'll see less and less 'atmostphere personnel'.

Ugly Pig
July 25th, 2004, 03:49 PM
Watched the episode again today with my usual group. We had it projected on some taped-together cloth or something which was hanging on the wall (which made me want a projector even more than I already did) and satisfied our manly hunger by ordering pizza. For some reason, I liked it much more the second time around ('Hide and Seek', that is - the pizza I only ate once). McKay definately made the episode. That guy is just getting cooler and cooler.

And I have to mention the opening credits sequence. I just love it! And that goes for both the visuals and the theme music. And I loved how Goldsmith weaved in the other Atlantis theme in there (the theme that was first heard in 'Lost City'... in this version it's the 'choir' part). Just great.

Teal'c
July 25th, 2004, 04:52 PM
I have to say again, it was brilliant! Everything is just so great! I'm literally going through the great things in my head and there are too many to write down! :P

Torley
July 25th, 2004, 06:14 PM
Well, everyone knows my previous early statements about me hoping Lt. Ford doesn't end up like Mayweather of Enterprise -- i.e. few on-screen moments save the occasional episode for himself here and there, and little to do. We're only on the 2nd episode so I hope this changes over the long term. As of right now and what I saw in "Hide and Seek" (featuring Anubis' cousin, LOL, a strange parallel between the episodes), I'm not happy so far with Ford.

He let out SUCH a terrifying scream when the darkness got him, but afterwards... just a FEW burns? Oh c'mon, I was hoping it'd be far more horrifying and scarrific than that and that they'd have to find some Ancient healing technology. He just had a few red patches that we could see, and that was it. Not terribly scary, and something akin to a staged horror movie :)

I hope McKay's device is not a one-off and that if it really is depleted, that they can find some way to recharge it for him. After all, it could be kind of an interesting dynamic contrast, as he isn't exactly a bona fide "courageous" type -- and maybe the shield helps him get braver over time but it isn't a magical device that always works.

If you want a truely terrifying "darkness", check out Stephen King's short story "The Raft". If THAT happened to Ford, I'm sure we'd all have problems sleeping. ;)

Newbie
July 25th, 2004, 07:40 PM
wierd....i heard some one say that Teyla is not being developed enough....it's not that...to me all the character are being developed almost equally. and Ford is in no way like Mayweather...im really sure...he already had more lines then Mayweather in the first season :D i think you rush to judge way too fast...it was just the 3rd epsiode of the 1st season, give them more time....they only have 20eps for a season right now.

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 26th, 2004, 08:10 AM
This ep was fun! It had me LOLing a lot. MacKay and Beckett and MacKay and Sheppard are shaping up to be good teams to watch.

So these Ancient were some cruel dudes, eh? Imagine, keeping that poor sentient creature trapped in that awful cage, alone and hungry, for some 10,000 years!

Yup, those pesky Ancients caused lots of mischief during their time.... ;)

It was nice to see a little interaction between the only two female leads, if even for only one small scene.

I liked how the names & places of real persons, like Doug Flutey(sp?) and real teams and real movies were used. Very cool touches. There's an almost unscripted feel to this show, so far, and I like it!

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 26th, 2004, 08:23 AM
I was pleasantly surprised. I thought it was a little to mellow for the premiere but they notched it up just that little bit that made it better for an opening theme for the show. I like it.

I agree. I thought the Rising opener was bland, but I kinda expected that. This week's was a nice blend of Rising's, SG-1's and it's own, I think. There's not too much, but just enough of SG-1 in the music to know the two series are family. :p

VirtualCLD
July 26th, 2004, 10:00 AM
He let out SUCH a terrifying scream when the darkness got him, but afterwards... just a FEW burns? Oh c'mon, I was hoping it'd be far more horrifying and scarrific than that and that they'd have to find some Ancient healing technology. He just had a few red patches that we could see, and that was it. Not terribly scary, and something akin to a staged horror movie.

SG-1 Lockdown SPOILERS







Have you ever been struck by lightning (that's what they compared it to)? I know I haven't, but I also know that most of the damage is internal, not external. Just because someone looks ok doesn't mean they are ok. Take the russian in Lockdown. He was dying but he didn't look any worse than Ford. I don't know about you, but I would have screamed about as loud as Ford if I was in that much pain.

chiefchucky
July 26th, 2004, 10:22 AM
I probably would of fainted

Edit: Scratch that I would have passed out from manly hunger. hehe

greytop
July 26th, 2004, 06:03 PM
The kids make it more realisitic to me, I mean Atlantis IS a CITY.
They DO need to setup a "recreation" area though
They Do need a "recreation" area or the kids would be all over the place. It would keep the kids out of the way and they would have a place to run.

I like the ep.

april_flower75
July 26th, 2004, 08:33 PM
I probably would of fainted

Edit: Scratch that I would have passed out from manly hunger. hehe

lol, nice one, you had me actually laughing out loud.

The episode was my favouritest episode EVER. And i think its funny how they play up the whole McKay being canadian thing.

Mio
July 26th, 2004, 08:40 PM
They Do need a "recreation" area or the kids would be all over the place. It would keep the kids out of the way and they would have a place to run.

I like the ep.
Just shove em out the window. Teach them how to swim.

AgentX
July 26th, 2004, 08:41 PM
For me, McKay made this episode watchable. I just hope he isn't always primarily used for comedy.

gwangung
July 26th, 2004, 09:43 PM
It was nice to see a little interaction between the only two female leads, if even for only one small scene.



Aha! Now I'm twigging as to why some people dislike Weir and Teyla!

I note that they haven't written many scenes for Weir to unburden herself. She has no confidant and hasn't been able to step out of "leader" mode. She's unable to show character because she hasn't had any scenes to show character. It's strictly business as usual.

The NATURAL way to show this is to have scenes between Weir and Teyla, who, by all rights, should be a co-equal with Weir (and is in some one a superior in that she's a hosting race to humans). However, in these two episodes, Teyla has not been written as that--a planetary head of state...she's been written as an underling and as a cog in the Stargate Atlantis team. That robs both Teyla and Weir of valuable characterization time.

Selmak
July 27th, 2004, 06:06 AM
You can compare Weir to Hammond... remember in the first episode Hammond was a straight military guy... I hated him... but his character developed and he became lovable... I think/hope the same will happen with Weir.

Ilios
July 27th, 2004, 06:31 AM
You can compare Weir to Hammond... remember in the first episode Hammond was a straight military guy... I hated him... but his character developed and he became lovable... I think/hope the same will happen with Weir.

Yeah, I just think that we have to wait and see if Weir can really grow into her character... which I think she will but it might just take some time. :o

Danny-boy
July 27th, 2004, 08:45 AM
This was one of my favorite parts of this episode (i may not have the wording exactly right):

Weir: "This is the way you decided to test the shield?"
Sheppard: "No, we did some other things first."
McKay: "He shot me."

I probably got the wording totally wrong, but you get the point and you probably know what im talking about.

VirtualCLD
July 27th, 2004, 12:01 PM
Close, reverse McKay and Shepards lines and you pretty much got it (obviously the pronouns will need to change to match). Also, I think Weir said something more like "And you thought throwing him off the balcony was the best way to test it?", then McKay, and then Shepard's famous "I shot him" line. :D

Nolamom
July 27th, 2004, 07:33 PM
Finally asked the hubby what game *exactly* was it that Sheppard loved - it was the 1984 National Championship between Boston College and Miami. Doug Flutie won the Heisman trophy that year...(sorry, it was just bugging me!)

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 28th, 2004, 05:51 AM
Doug Flutie won the Heisman trophy that year...(sorry, it was just bugging me!)

Ah, could someone please tell me what MacKay responded, that made Teyla ask if he played hockey, too? With my old age, squinty-vision sound and MacKay mumbling at 100/kph, I think I'm gonna be missing a lot of the dialogue, this year. :(

And, no, squinty-vision doesn't have subtitles - yet.

greytop
July 28th, 2004, 06:10 AM
I think it was something like that he played for Canada (Canadian football) after he got out of college.

april_flower75
July 28th, 2004, 10:05 AM
I thought it was something about the team they were watching playing in Canada. Like they went on to play in Canada or sumthing.

GhostPoet
July 28th, 2004, 10:28 AM
Close, reverse McKay and Shepards lines and you pretty much got it (obviously the pronouns will need to change to match). Also, I think Weir said something more like "And you thought throwing him off the balcony was the best way to test it?", then McKay, and then Shepard's famous "I shot him" line. :D

The look on Shepards face when he said that is classic. Cracked me up so much.

Anthro Girl
July 28th, 2004, 12:16 PM
I thought I'd replied to this already, but after watching part of it during the rebroadcast last night I realized I hadn't.

I really liked Hide & Seek and I think MediaSharX's review (http://www.mediasharx.com/index.php/tv/2812) is spot-on in calling it a money-saving "bottle" episode. However, I still don't understand the "Hail Mary" reference...but that's probably because I despise football. I know, I know...how terribly un-American of me. :p

Ugly Pig
July 28th, 2004, 12:22 PM
Don't worry about it... Me, I can't stand soccer. But if I were to say so out loud here in Norway I'd get stoned to death. :)

VirtualCLD
July 28th, 2004, 12:38 PM
Don't worry about it... Me, I can't stand soccer. But if I were to say so out loud here in Norway I'd get stoned to death. :)
What?! You call it soccer? I thought every country except the US called soccer football. I'm confused now. Anyway, the "Hail Mary" is usually a very long, last resort, forward pass the quarterback makes. This usually occurs when the offense is on the completely oppositte end of the field, and some catcher/runner guy runs all of the way down the field and the QB throws him the ball. Runner/catcher thingy guy looks over his shoulder and caches the ball while running full tilt. QBs usually do this if the offense is about to lose control of the ball. I'm sure you absolutely didn't want to hear that, so I'm happy to help. :D :D

I don't follow football either, but when you play in a pep band for college and you attend every home game... well, you get the idea.

Ugly Pig
July 28th, 2004, 12:39 PM
What?! You call it soccer? I thought every country except the US called soccer football. I'm confused now.
Actually, you're right - we don't call it soccer here. I just refer to it as soccer when speaking English to avoid confusion. :)

Anthro Girl
July 28th, 2004, 12:40 PM
Indeed. Best keep your mouth shut about that. I went to two HUGE football universities. It was nuts. The whole town practically shut-down during games. They would play the game on the radio in the grocery store. Going to the library was a traffic nightmare. It turned out to be the best time to go to the movies. ;) When I got a job at a university, I can't tell you how thrilled I was to find out that their football program was canceled due to lack of funding. ;)

Back /on-topic: I sort of do get the "Hail Mary" reference, but it was more like "oh...I get it...football reference...ugh". ;) Still liked the ep, though.

VirtualCLD
July 28th, 2004, 12:43 PM
Ah, fortunately, my school sucks at football, so the games themselves weren't a big deal... except for one game called "The Longest Running College Football Rivallry" TM by ESPN.... Anyway, yeah, the "Hail Mary" refference seemed very targetted at US fans. Kind of singles out the international fans a little bit.

Anthro Girl
July 28th, 2004, 12:47 PM
I guess it was one of those "Let's bonk you over the head with the idea that Sheppard is an AMERICAN" kind of things. ;) It could have been baseball. I would have preferred baseball. Unfortunately, (American) football is seen as more "macho".

VirtualCLD
July 28th, 2004, 12:57 PM
I guess it was one of those "Let's bonk you over the head with the idea that Sheppard is an AMERICAN" kind of things. ;) It could have been baseball. I would have preferred baseball. Unfortunately, (American) football is seen as more "macho".
True, I agree it's a testement/blatant reminder to Shepard being American. Of course if they wanted a really "macho" sport, there's always Australian rugby (aka Aussie Rules Football). :D

Anthro Girl
July 28th, 2004, 12:59 PM
True, I agree it's a testement/blatant reminder to Shepard being American. Of course if they wanted a really "macho" sport, there's always Australian rugby (aka Aussie Rules Football). :D
Aye, but I didn't see any mud on Atlantis. :D

chiefchucky
July 28th, 2004, 03:32 PM
Not to change the subject but just think of sky diving with the mcay sheild thingy that would be soooo awesome you wouldn't even need a parachute! When it came to landing you could make a wille coyote crater and you wouldn't even be hurt at all!

Skydiver
July 28th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Aye, but I didn't see any mud on Atlantis. :D


they can make some. they got a ton of 10,000 year old dead plants (totally ignoring the fact that they'd be dust by now) and plenty of water so......mud.

ShadowMaat
July 28th, 2004, 07:53 PM
they got a ton of 10,000 year old dead plants (totally ignoring the fact that they'd be dust by now) and plenty of water so......mud.

Maybe there's more to those plants than we realize. Maybe they aren't really dead. Maybe they're just... SLEEPING... *cues ominous roll of thunder AND spooky music*

Or maybe I've seen too many bad scifi movies. ;)

Shipperahoy
July 28th, 2004, 07:55 PM
They can always take up water polo.

I didn't even think about them pushing the Shepard is American thing while I watched it. I guess because I have a husband who lives for football season (and hockey season) I just thought it was normal male behaviour.

Anthro Girl
July 28th, 2004, 09:37 PM
Or maybe I've seen too many bad scifi movies. ;)
Have you been watching SciFi on the weekends again? Bad, Shadow...bad! ;)

Anthro Girl
July 28th, 2004, 09:41 PM
They can always take up water polo.

I didn't even think about them pushing the Shepard is American thing while I watched it. I guess because I have a husband who lives for football season (and hockey season) I just thought it was normal male behaviour.
Better water polo than synchronized swimming, I guess.

I think the sports thing is the "stereotypical macho" male behavior thing. Gets the Point across quickly and with minimum exposition. ;)

legoman
July 29th, 2004, 01:58 AM
How come no one gave a rats arse that Mackay was a walking dead man?
I mean, its obvious to viewers that he's not going to die being a main character and all, but the writers could have at least made the other characters show a little more concern.

ComicDiva
July 29th, 2004, 04:12 AM
Finally got the chance to discuss Atlantis.
Woop-die-doo

You know what I liked the most about this episode? Character Developement.
I'm a big Buffy fan and Mckay reminds me A LOT of Xander. Ok, so he's the funny guy who always gets himself in danger, but he is also the heart, that human spirit that just won't quit.
Now, Sheppard is american. There's nothing wrong with that. He's into footbal, O'neil was into fishing. I dig that. I'm also wondering how many football tapes has he brought with him cause he might get bored pretty fast with that one game. Also... he looks good in black. *drool*
Did anybody else feel that him leavin the kid behind with possibly, a big ol' wraith was slightly out of character? We don't know much about him but after making such a big case about "leaving our people behind" in the last episode, he seemed a little quick to abandon the little tyke just so he could "establish perimeter".
I sit and wonder, why do I dislike Teyla? Maybe because of the way she is written... yup, definetely it. Sheppard... you can do better, trust me.

All in all, a very enjoyable episode and I can't wait for next week.

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 29th, 2004, 06:48 AM
How come no one gave a rats arse that Mackay was a walking dead man?

But he wasn't. Peter knew about the fact that the shield imprints on its wearer; how many others knew before he told Weir? And Weir has good instincts. She knows Rodney's tendancy toward extreme negativity and that it was unlikely that the Ancients would develop a shield that would kill the wearer.

Surely if, as time went by and no change occured, putting Rodney in actual danger, we would have seen more rat's arses offered in sympathy. (And I could just see the guys lining up to give Rodney such a gift. :p )

ShadowMaat
July 29th, 2004, 06:53 AM
It isn't that they didn't care, they just know he has a tendency to exagerrate and be overdramatic and it seemed highly unlikely that the shield would really pose a life-threatening danger.

As TH said, if time had worn on and it became evident that the shield wasn't going to shut off, they may have shown more concern, but they figured the shield had a "mental component" and that eventually he'd be inclined to want it turned off.

VirtualCLD
July 29th, 2004, 07:00 AM
Did anybody else feel that him leavin the kid behind with possibly, a big ol' wraith was slightly out of character? We don't know much about him but after making such a big case about "leaving our people behind" in the last episode, he seemed a little quick to abandon the little tyke just so he could "establish perimeter".


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I thought that going back and establishing a perimeter was the "right thing to do" as Shepard once put it. This is because if there was Wraith around, then everyone could be in danger. It's better to fall back, establish a secure perimeter, then go out looking for the boy. It's kind of like Separd taking the Athosians back to Atlantis first, then going after the prisoners. I see what you're saying, but I think Shepard is a soldier first with a duty to protect the larger group first, then attempt to rescue anyone "outside" who may be in danger.

Newbie
July 29th, 2004, 11:17 AM
I loved how Sheppard made fun of Canadians :D !!! And I totaly didn't get the whole Hale Mary thing..prolly cause I'm not born by the right ways...pls explain.

Thorette
July 29th, 2004, 11:30 AM
I know I'm way in the minority here but McKay gets on my nerves. He is SO negative he would have been my last choice of someone to get marooned in another galaxy with. He can be funny at times but I prefer Shepards and the Scot's humor. I keep hoping he'll mature or his charater will change as the series goes on. Some hope with him finding his courage at the end of Hide and Seek.

I like the show, enjoy the humor, and endure McKay.

VirtualCLD
July 29th, 2004, 11:42 AM
I loved how Sheppard made fun of Canadians :D !!! And I totaly didn't get the whole Hale Mary thing..prolly cause I'm not born by the right ways...pls explain.
Go back to page 6 on this thread.

Ugly Pig
July 29th, 2004, 02:44 PM
Not to change the subject but just think of sky diving with the mcay sheild thingy that would be soooo awesome you wouldn't even need a parachute! When it came to landing you could make a wille coyote crater and you wouldn't even be hurt at all!
Wouldn't be much fun if the device shut down while in mid-air.

"Uh-oh"... :D

chiefchucky
July 29th, 2004, 05:50 PM
Wouldn't be much fun if the device shut down while in mid-air.

"Uh-oh"... :D
that could suck but it would also suck if someone shot you right when it turned off.

David85
July 29th, 2004, 07:19 PM
I don't want to look through 100pages so....

Did they release the ratings yet?

aAnubiSs
July 29th, 2004, 07:49 PM
Not that I know of.

Anthro Girl
July 29th, 2004, 08:06 PM
How come no one gave a rats arse that Mackay was a walking dead man?
Weir called it. She had a suspicion that it was all in his head and since Ancient tech can read minds...well... :D Besides, during the time-period that was the episode, he wasn't in danger of anything except having to go to the bathroom. :p

Jonas Quinn
July 29th, 2004, 08:40 PM
...except having to go to the bathroom.Would it be tactless if that turned out to be the reason the device deactivated? All of the sudden McKay says, "Oh, gosh! I really have to take a dump," and the shield fell off. That might have been mildly amusing.

Manic
July 29th, 2004, 11:14 PM
How come no one gave a rats arse that Mackay was a walking dead man?
I mean, its obvious to viewers that he's not going to die being a main character and all, but the writers could have at least made the other characters show a little more concern.
The only thing Rodney McKay was in danger of was starving to death and dehydration... and maybe a bladder infection if he "held it" for too long. A person can live for about half a week without food or water, and this episode took place over the course of one day and one night. Plus Weir and that one other scientist were about 90% sure it was psychological.

Z_2
July 30th, 2004, 08:40 AM
I liked that the creative types for Stargate Atlantis have used the neatest fully-functional pda/multimedia player to power on the naquadah generator! Well, I thought that was neat!

To compare, the Zodiac is at www.tapwave.com. A keen-eyed Zodiac owner captured its bit part at the following link:

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Wobble/zodiac.jpg

Is there more than one "style" of naquadah generator, or will all of them on this series have a Palm OS pda to control it? That would be neat to see! What other "everyday" objects have you seen that were adapted for a different use as a prop in the SG world?

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2004, 08:50 AM
You already posted this tapwave thing once, do you really need to do so again?

And I say again that the shield was likely one way and Rod would have had no trouble relieving himself. :P

Z_2
July 30th, 2004, 09:28 AM
You already posted this tapwave thing once, do you really need to do so again?
Well, I didn't notice this episode-specific thread till I posted in the general Atlantis section, and I thought I could give my $.02 where it applied. And if people who can give input read one area and not the other, they might post helpful info that I might otherwise miss. So yeah, the second post was appropriate for the thread. But sorry for bothering you.

Major Tyler
July 30th, 2004, 09:32 AM
I thought the Tapwave thing was cool...thanks.

zen.monki
July 31st, 2004, 08:46 PM
I liked this episode except for the way the military personell went around pointing their firearms at the "shadow" creature. It made me want to laugh.

Did anyone else think it was odd to see them sitting on a couch watching a football game on a big-screen with popcorn?! I mean, I know they have a lot of cool technology but I doubt the Ancient's display panels have RCA jacks built in. And sure the Atlantis team has a lot of talented people, but I doubt figuring out how to connect my VHS tape / DVD to a big-screen is gonna be high on anyone's priority list.

And while I'm griping: everyone seems to have brought off-duty clothes plus their regular working clothes. Doesn't that seem a little frivelous?

I liked the theory about the Ancients studying the creature in order to learn how to ascend. Hmm. I wonder why the holo-message from the Ancients didn't mention anything like "sorry, but no one is home at the moment. We've all ascended to another plane." That brings to mind two more questions:

1. If the Ancients all ascended, I wonder why did some enter into human-history (references to the Atlantis legend originating from Ancients who lived in ancient Greece, etc..) at all?

2. Why do the Ancients help some people ascend and not others when they die?

sshspooky
August 1st, 2004, 01:27 AM
And while I'm griping: everyone seems to have brought off-duty clothes plus their regular working clothes. Doesn't that seem a little frivelous?

Well I'd rather they wear off duty clothes when their of duty then to always wear those uniiforms all the time so they start to stink up the place!

Tok'Ra Hostess
August 1st, 2004, 06:07 AM
[QUOTE=zen.monki]
1. If the Ancients all ascended, I wonder why did some enter into human-history (references to the Atlantis legend originating from Ancients who lived in ancient Greece, etc..) at all?

A valid question, ZM. Maybe there was racism among them, or some other social/economical/political caste system. Maybe "modern" Earth only got the cast-outs, the criminals, from the Ancient's POV.


2. Why do the Ancients help some people ascend and not others when they die?


Because it isn't the Ancients who help people ascend, it's the Ascended who help people ascend.

The Ascended are not made up only of Ancients who've ascended. Many other species have also ascended, and the Ancients are most likely not the first to have done so. Ascendedland is a melting pot of species, but it wants to be an exclusive club - excluding any who can't figure out Ascension for themselves, I guess.

Oma was bannished from the club when she started her little cult, but she was either not bannished as completely as Orlin was(Ascension) or, like Anubis, Oma figured out how to prevent her descension, only she did a better job of it than Nuby did.

This leads me to believe that the Ascended, though powerful, are not all-powerful. Maybe Orlin was just a simple, normally law-abiding citizen of Ascendedland, and not very good at being a "criminal." Folks like Oma and Anubis, OTOH, may be more troublesome to the Ascended authorities, like the Mafia and certain revolutionary elements of Earth societies - hard to catch and even harder to prosecute.

Just my theory, and subject to change. :p

zen.monki
August 1st, 2004, 07:21 AM
Because it isn't the Ancients who help people ascend, it's the Ascended who help people ascend.

Whups! I think I knew that, but didn't express myself correctly. Thanks for the correction.



Ascendedland is a melting pot of species, but it wants to be an exclusive club - excluding any who can't figure out Ascension for themselves, I guess.

I think you're right about them wanting to be an exclusive club. I was disappointed that they never made any connection to some wider phenomenon or human legends (like: "this explains spontaneous human combustion!").

I loved the episode where SG-1went to the little temple on Keb, I think it was, where one of the Ascended (Omat, right?) had instructions for how to ascend. Other than that instance it just seems that this person or that person is picked to ascend (always convenient to the storyline).

That reminds me of something I've been wondering about: whatever happened to that Goa'uld / human child?

zen.monki
August 1st, 2004, 07:31 AM
I think I may have realized an answer to my earlier question about why all Ancients didn't ascend. It may have simply been that not everyone can... I mean, not everyone is cut out to be an engineer, an artist, a doctor, a lawyer or a Zen Master. It could be that they all had the knowledge, but some couldn't apply it and they fled to other worlds as the Wraith-threat grew too large.

ShadowMaat
August 1st, 2004, 07:38 AM
I'm going to assume everyone has seen FULL CIRCLE by now, but if you haven't, skip this message.

As for the idea of not everyone being "able" to ascend... Oma (or whoever) ascended the entire population (as far as we know) of Abydos. They didn't spontaneously choose to do it, it was done for them. And I'm pretty sure that there were at least a few among them who would not, under normal circumstances, be considered "worthy" of ascension. So how is it that the Abydans can all be ascended, but some of the Ancients themselves were unable? Couldn't they just have asked for help?

My guess is that some of them, for whatever reason, CHOSE not to ascend. And/or there could have been a group or groups that were chosen to remain behind to keep things running smoothly for as long as possible. Whether they volunteered or were conscripted to such an assignment could have interesting consequences, as could the reasons why some would want to stay behind, anyway.

Ugly Pig
August 1st, 2004, 10:44 AM
Did anyone else think it was odd to see them sitting on a couch watching a football game on a big-screen with popcorn?! I mean, I know they have a lot of cool technology but I doubt the Ancient's display panels have RCA jacks built in.
I just assumed the expedition team brought the TV. It never even occured to me that it could have already been there, and I doubt it was the case.

zen.monki
August 1st, 2004, 11:01 AM
I got the impression they didn't bring the TV with them from Weir's incredulity about him bringing the football game on tape/disc. Why would they need a TV? I doubt they can pick up Dish or DirecTV.:)

Anthro Girl
August 1st, 2004, 11:09 AM
I just assumed the expedition team brought the TV. It never even occured to me that it could have already been there, and I doubt it was the case.
It didn't look like any of "our" TVs to me. It looked like an Ancient display of some sort and McKay obviously found some way to hook up a video feed. ;)

ShadowMaat
August 1st, 2004, 11:11 AM
So here's a question... if Shep's item was a video tape of a game, who brought a VCR? And why? Or would that be necessary equipment for recording/playing/storing information?

Anthro Girl
August 1st, 2004, 11:14 AM
So here's a question... if Shep's item was a video tape of a game, who brought a VCR? And why? Or would that be necessary equipment for recording/playing/storing information?
Silly Shadow. ;) Who needs a VCR when you've got a laptop? :D

chiefchucky
August 1st, 2004, 11:16 AM
maybe he had the game on his comp and burned it to a vcd disc.

ShadowMaat
August 1st, 2004, 11:21 AM
Ah. How twentieth century of me. :P Think there's anything else on the disc, then?

Anthro Girl
August 1st, 2004, 11:24 AM
Ah. How twentieth century of me. :P Think there's anything else on the disc, then?
Star Trek? Star Wars? ALF? Baywatch? ;)

ShadowMaat
August 1st, 2004, 11:27 AM
Star Trek? So they can watch and learn and figure out good excuses to remove Shep's shirt? ;)

Newbie
August 1st, 2004, 06:40 PM
i didn't see a TV there....i think it might been a projector with a few games....or may be different ppl brought different things and then Sheppard got a really smart idea of putting those things together for the whole city ;)

chiefchucky
August 1st, 2004, 07:48 PM
well beings that you can only put 80 minutes on an average disk he probably had just that one game on it(even though football games run longer than 80 min I think).

Z_2
August 1st, 2004, 10:16 PM
Hi there-

I had a question about that "one personal item per person" deal. In the room where they were watching the football game, there also was a foosball table. Do you think that was community property, or did someone bring it along as their one item? Just curious.

Liv
August 4th, 2004, 03:16 AM
I really liked this episode. Sheppard is still my favourite character, with McKay a close second. Lots and lots of humour and character development.

I adored the opening scene with Beckett and McKay:

"I am manipulating your DNA... (then cheerfully) Here we go!"

And I loved Shappard´s sheepish remark, "Just checking", right after they find out that McKay´s invulnerability-device may not be such a good thing after all.

All of McKay´s "I´m a dead man" comments were hilarious. As were the fainting/passing out remarks.

Weir still bothers me. So does Teyla and her people. Can´t really explain it, I just don´t feel any kind of connection to them yet.

chiefchucky
August 6th, 2004, 11:38 AM
I wonder what would happen if McKay walked into the Stargate with the sheild on?

ShadowMaat
August 6th, 2004, 12:12 PM
Good question. Would it prevent him from being dematerialised?

Z_2
August 6th, 2004, 12:44 PM
And would the personal shield prevent McKay from getting beamed up by the Darts too?

chiefchucky
August 6th, 2004, 09:42 PM
Good question. Would it prevent him from being dematerialised?
and if so would Mckay be hurled through space? Becuase maybe the gate breaks down things because thats the only way they could come out the other side in one piece?

watcher652
October 8th, 2004, 02:45 PM
Just revisiting this thread since the episode is being shown again tonight.

I didn't reread all of this thread, so I don't know if this was mentioned the first time, but I noticed something when I was rewinding my tape last night.

At the end of the episode when we first see McKay passed out on the floor of the Gate Room from the point of view of the Control Room, he's flat on his back with his legs straight out in front of him. His legs are pointing toward the Gate, like he was backing away, and then passed out. He was at the side of the MALP when he threw the generator into the Gate. When the Darkness cleared, the MALP is in front of McKay, so I presume he took a couple of steps back toward the stairs before he passed out.

But when we see Sheppard at McKay's side, McKay has his right leg bent. Later on, before McKay wakes up, we see again see McKay with his legs stretched out straight in front of him.

Just a little "Huh?" that caught my eye. I usually don't see these things, I'm so involved with the story.

greytop
October 8th, 2004, 09:22 PM
Watch the rerun tonight. So I don't if this has been mention or not.

What I notice that MacKay wasn't hungry until Grogan and Beckett mention food, when he had the shield operated. Not to MacKay fan mad at me, this made me think that sometimes that the food thing is in his head. :rolleyes:

Major Fischer
October 8th, 2004, 09:28 PM
....this made me think that sometimes that the food thing is in his head. :rolleyes:

I'd bet it's most of the time.

watcher652
October 9th, 2004, 01:46 AM
What I notice that MacKay wasn't hungry until Grogan and Beckett mention food, when he had the shield operated. Not to MacKay fan mad at me, this made me think that sometimes that the food thing is in his head. :rolleyes:
Well, how many times do you discover that you're hungry when somebody else talks about food? I know that happens to me. :) He was probably so worried about just trying to get the shield off, he didn't realize that he was hungry. :D

It's funny what you notice when you already know the story. Sorry if any of these points were made the first time around, but I didn't want to reread the whole thread.

Apparently McKay and Beckett have had at least one talk together where they've discussed women since Beckett didn't object when McKay talked about their mutual uncoolness with them. Maybe at that party in Rising, part 2?

I loved how Sheppard was like a little kid playing with a new toy when he tossed McKay over the side of the balcony.

Later, back in the infirmary, when McKay tries to drink the cup of coffee and it runs down the front of the shield, it didn't occur to me that the coffee must have been a special effect.

In that scene in the briefing room when Teyla volunteers her people to help with security, Weir kind of brushes her off. "We'll find other ways the Athosians can contribute." Ugh, how formal! Sheppard seemed more diplomatic towards Teyla than Weir appeared to be. I liked how Sheppard says it's not that they don't trust the Athosians, but they have to be trained in the weapons and tactics. And he had a funny line when he said, "We're very cautious intergalactic explorers." Here's one of the first times we see Sheppard going with his gut. He just knew Teyla was trustworthy. Weir has to think about it. Her training makes her more cautious. It looks like a good balance.

I noticed more twitchiness by McKay that I didn't remember the first time I saw the episode. He does this finger wiggling thing I didn't remember seeing before. I don't think McKay does this any more, I think this was just to show how nervous he was in the first days at Atlantis.

Also, I think this is where we first see that distracted, "doom and gloom" look on his face we've come to know so well. You see it when they were watching the football game. How awful to be sitting between 2 bowls of popcorn and not be able to eat any!

I didn't notice the first time that it looks like they were watching the football game in one of the conference rooms off of the Control Room. You can see the Gate in the background when Weir walks in.

When Halling was saying his prayer to the Ancestors, I missed that wide eyed look McKay had as he watched Halling speak. I wonder what was running thru McKay's mind right before he passed out?

After Sheppard and Grodin encounter the Darkness, they're up in the Control Room discussing the experience with Weir and McKay. When McKay says "if this thing feeds off of energy, then we could be in big trouble", he's talking with a power bar in his hand, evern though he can't eat it. I thought it was funny that you could see the word "Power" when he was talking about energy.

When Sheppard and McKay go into the "closet" and then are suddenly in the research lab with Jinto, McKay says, "It must be a transporter." Sheppard comes back with, "We can name it later." McKay's name stuck, since in future episodes they are still calling it a transporter. I'm such a scifi person, I didn't realize that McKay was making a Star Trek reference when he called it a transporter. I wonder what it looks like from the inside after the doors close.

When McKay turns on the console in the research lab, it makes a sluggish noise as it powers up, like it hadn't been on in centuries. That was a nice touch.

That was a cute line when Sheppard told Ford that he was "going to be back to pretty boy in no time."

There was also a nice sound effect when the personal shield turned off when Weir was volunteering McKay to stay with the Darkness container. That's how McKay knew to put his hand up to catch it, else it would have fallen to the floor.

What was that thing McKay was eating in the Control Room when Sheppard was trying to catch the Darkness? First I thought it was a sandwich, then I thought it was some kind of meat turnover. I have a small tv and not so clear cable.

I see the Atlantis uniform jackets have inside breast pockets since McKay had stashed away his personal shield in the left one.

When the Darkness came rushing into the Gate Room, it was massive. But it came thru entrances on both sides of the staircase. In order to do that, the two corridors must come together behind the staircase.

Hmm, that's all I can think of for now.

Liv
October 10th, 2004, 01:52 PM
Just rewatched this episode and made a point to look out for the things you listed, watcher. It really is interesting the things you discover when watching it several times and concentrating more on the details than the main story.




I loved how Sheppard was like a little kid playing with a new toy when he tossed McKay over the side of the balcony.
Loved that too. :D



Also, I think this is where we first see that distracted, "doom and gloom" look on his face we've come to know so well. You see it when they were watching the football game. How awful to be sitting between 2 bowls of popcorn and not be able to eat any!
I really didn't think about that until you mentioned it, but it's so true, he looks positively ready to jump out of his skin (well, okay that might be overstating it a bit, but he sure does look a bit jittery). 'Course he could just as well be contemplating his impending doom. :p




What was that thing McKay was eating in the Control Room when Sheppard was trying to catch the Darkness? First I thought it was a sandwich, then I thought it was some kind of meat turnover. I have a small tv and not so clear cable.
Not sure, but it looked like a half-eaten sandwich to me.

One thing that I reacted to, this time around, was when McKay was explaining to Ford how to work the chrystal thingies to open the door just as the Dark!Cloud was approaching. Ford stops in the middle of everything and asks "You sure about this?" which made me wonder: what's the point of a question like that? (Rhetorical question, on my part ;)). Just about anything that could happen at that point is better than being attacked by a large Dark Cloud that wants to essentially eat you alive, IMO.

Major Fischer
October 10th, 2004, 01:56 PM
I loved how Sheppard was like a little kid playing with a new toy when he tossed McKay over the side of the balcony.

And Weir had that "I'm stuck in another galaxy with a bunch of ten year olds..." look ;) Good moments.

greytop
October 10th, 2004, 09:17 PM
I think MacKay was eating one of those power bars, they seem never to run out of in Altantis.

watcher652
October 11th, 2004, 11:03 PM
Not sure, but it looked like a half-eaten sandwich to me.
Yeah, I guess, but it seemed a little thicker in the middle and less so near the edge. That's why I thought it was one of those meat turnover things. Maybe it was just a thick sandwich that they had to thin out at the edge so stuff wouldn't fall out as McKay ate it.



One thing that I reacted to, this time around, was when McKay was explaining to Ford how to work the chrystal thingies to open the door just as the Dark!Cloud was approaching. Ford stops in the middle of everything and asks "You sure about this?" which made me wonder: what's the point of a question like that? (Rhetorical question, on my part ;)). Just about anything that could happen at that point is better than being attacked by a large Dark Cloud that wants to essentially eat you alive, IMO.At that point, they weren't quite sure what would happen if the Darkness touched you. Maybe Ford was worried that he would get something like an electric shock crossing the crystals like when you touch live wires in an electric outlet. Little did he realize his encounter with the Darkness was going to turn out like being struck by lightning.

I get the impression that Ford doesn't really believe McKay is "the smartest guy here", to quote Weir (and McKay!). Maybe Ford is letting McKay's bragging attitude color his judgement.

HIj'Qa
October 15th, 2004, 09:10 AM
Might Jinto have the Ancient gene, to have activated the transporter in the first place? Some Earth people put the boxes in the 'closet' and obviously didn't notice or activate anything.
Or would the tech reactivate when anybody did the right thing?

greytop
October 15th, 2004, 09:18 AM
Might Jinto have the Ancient gene, to have activated the transporter in the first place? Some Earth people put the boxes in the 'closet' and obviously didn't notice or activate anything.
Or would the tech reactivate when anybody did the right thing?
That ot the people from Earth did not go far enough into the closet to activate the transporter.

watcher652
October 15th, 2004, 03:25 PM
Might Jinto have the Ancient gene, to have activated the transporter in the first place? Some Earth people put the boxes in the 'closet' and obviously didn't notice or activate anything.
Or would the tech reactivate when anybody did the right thing?
As just a really high tech, glorified elevator, I wouldn't think you would need the Ancient gene to activate the transporter.

KUtrekkie
October 15th, 2004, 04:40 PM
As just a really high tech, glorified elevator, I wouldn't think you would need the Ancient gene to activate the transporter.

It didn't really do much until Sheppard and McKay stepped all the way inside and Sheppard touched the map-screen-thingie (why, yes, that's a technical term :p ), zipping them off to the lab. Weir used the transporter in "The Storm" and she doesn't have the ancient gene, so the gene may be necessary to turn on the transporter in the first place, but it's not necessary to make the transporter function. Does anyone know if the "closet" shown in "Rising"? That would have made for a nice touch of foreshadowing.

Greytop may be right that the people putting the boxes in there didn't go far enough inside to activate the map-screen-thingie OR it could have turned on and no one noticed since there were all sorts of things (lights, instruments, etc.) kicking on when the expedition arrived. Maybe the screen-thingie was obscured by a massive stack of boxes/containers that someone was carting around. There are a dozen possibilities that would make good plot bunnies for a willing fic author. ;)

Allison

Anubis
October 26th, 2004, 02:04 PM
Quite a good episode really, just finsihed watching it on Sky One.


I liked how McKay just supposedly let the device 'fall off' from him when the time come that he may have been needed.


I liked Sheppard's dialogue and actions throughout the episode and we're finally getting to know Teyla a bit more. :)

shelsfc
October 26th, 2004, 02:22 PM
Good episode.

I'm loving the Rodney/Sheppard and Rodney/Beckett dynamics. Actually, Rodney/whoever!!

Shooting him & throwing him off the balcony to test the shield, lol!

They were being quite patronising to Teyla, that annoyed me, although I liked that Sheppard did want to tell her about the self-destruct.

So far, I think Sheppard is my favourite character. I love that he's good with the kids, and lol @ him trying to explain 'Hail Mary' - "Did I mention how much I like ferris wheels?"

Glad we saw some more of Ford, he was so sweet with Jinto (sp?)
"Stuff happens" lol!

Go Rodney at the end!
'He passed out' :D
The whole fainting/passing out thing was very funny!

Did Sky cut out on anyone else? I didn't see anything after he woke up. :(

greytop
October 26th, 2004, 02:24 PM
I liked how McKay just supposedly let the device 'fall off' from him when the time come that he may have been needed.
But he came through in the end. I also like McKay isn't hungry until someone mentions drinking something or his favorite pastime, Food!!!! :) :D

Watters87
October 26th, 2004, 02:56 PM
Good solid episode. When Sheppard pushed McKay off the Balcony I was in stitches laughing :D . McKay and Beckett interchange superb as in the pilot.

Shels, Sky also cut out on me after McKay woke up. :(

Matt G
October 26th, 2004, 03:35 PM
Hmmm...

Generally decent ep - looks like they're still settling things down though.

1. The McKay/Beckett double act seems to work nicely!

2. The only thing that bugged me about the US football watching scene was that Beckett(being the highest profile Brit) didn't bowl in, overhear the convo and say 'That's not football!'

3. Teyla came accross more as a mother figure than anything else to the Athosians - and whoever said that it was an insult for her to just be a member of Sheppard's team...Teal'c was the equivilient of Army chief in Apothis's service.

somme
October 26th, 2004, 03:40 PM
Sky didn't cut out on me. :S

Twas a cool episode. Am eagerly awaiting the second half of the series. I want this city to get powered up. I hope it happens soon.

watcher652
October 26th, 2004, 04:04 PM
Shels, Sky also cut out on me after McKay woke up. :(
For those of you who were cut off, here's what happens in the last scene. I don't think I have to put this in spoiler tags since this is the episode thread. But let me know and I'll edit it if I have to.

After the Darkness leaves thru the Gate, we see McKay is lying flat on his back on the Gate Room floor, feet facing towards the Gate. It looks like he fell after taking several steps backward since he's behind the disabled MALP. Sheppard, Teyla, Weir and Grodin run down the stairs. Sheppard reaches him first and kneels on one side of McKay. Weir kneels on the other side. Weir picks up the unlighted personal shield from McKay's chest.

Weir: McKay?

(She hands the shield to Grodin)
Grodin: It must have been drained by the entity.

(Sheppard activates his radio)
Sheppard: Medical team to the Gate Room.

(Weir touches McKay)
Weir: He's not burnt. He's breathing. McKay? McKay?

(McKay opens his eyes and blinks at those above him)
McKay: What happened?

Weir: You did it.
McKay: I did?
Weir: It went through the gate.

(Sheppard smiles at McKay)
Sheppard: You must have passed out.

(McKay waves a hand towards Sheppard)
McKay: Oh, thanks for not saying the other thing.

(Sheppard stands up from his kneeling position and turns to Teyla)
Sheppard: Now, that was a Hail Mary.

(Sheppard, Teyla, Grodin and Weir smile. McKay starts to sit up as the medical team comes into the Gate Room. McKay, still sitting, moves his shoulders and head like he hurt his back or neck from falling backwards onto the hard Gate Room floor. The medical team is now at McKay's side)

McKay: Thank you. Take your time. Man down.

(McKay, still sitting, continues to move like he's testing to see if everything still works)

End scene.

Terok
October 27th, 2004, 02:39 AM
Good episode, but very similar to SG-1's third episode this season 'Lockdown'. What was more interesting to watch was the interactions between the characters and how their relationships are building up. As said, I think Rodney has great scene's and interaction with nearly everybody, great character and very funny.

CultTVGirl
October 27th, 2004, 04:47 AM
Weir: He's not burnt. He's breathing. McKay? McKay?

I thought it was odd how Weir called him McKay all through this episode (and especially in this moment) when she called him Rodney through all of "Rising." It seemed kind of impersonal. Are they not friends anymore?

Also, why weren't people more worried about poor little Rodney? Were they all really that confident that the shield would turn itself off? What if it hadn't? Nobody seemed to care!! :(

Loved the episode though - especially all the Rodney stuff (surprise, surprise)!

Glad to see some more of Ford. I like him a lot now. Poor thing! And Teyla got more to do, which was good.

Perhaps the little children will start idolising Rodney now, rather than Major Sheppard. You know, now that he's saved Atlantis and all! ;)

One point of interest - Weir said they were all allowed to take one personal item to Atlantis with them. Sheppard took a copy of a footie game (gotta love that!). But what did Weir take with her?

My money's on her hairdresser. Her hair did look suspiciously well-styled in this episode! :D

Major Fischer
October 27th, 2004, 04:55 AM
I think they all understood that Rodney was panicking enough without them feeding his fear. It wasn't that they weren't concerned at all, but that what would showing him that they were concerned do? Make him worry and suffer more?

As for the name thing, I think the writers don't really have a feel for writing civilians yet. At least in the early episodes they are very inconsistant with the way they handle writing Weir. It's even worse in 38 Minutes, but I think that's becuase originally 38 Minutes was supposed to be episode 2 and not episode 3.

watcher652
October 27th, 2004, 11:25 AM
I thought it was odd how Weir called him McKay all through this episode (and especially in this moment) when she called him Rodney through all of "Rising." It seemed kind of impersonal. Are they not friends anymore?
I wondered about that myself in an earlier post. Especially when she had just shouted "Rodney!" before he went into the Darkness. And she called him Rodney earlier in the episode, too, in the research lab right before the shield fell off McKay's chest.

But here's how I reconcilled this. She was giving him an order to wake up and thought he would respond more to an order with his last name than his first.



Also, why weren't people more worried about poor little Rodney? Were they all really that confident that the shield would turn itself off? What if it hadn't? Nobody seemed to care!! :(
I just think they really believed the Ancients wouldn't leave something dangerous around with no warning. Although if the gene therapy didn't take, that would have been a situation that wouldn't have occured to the Ancients and McKay would really be in trouble.



One point of interest - Weir said they were all allowed to take one personal item to Atlantis with them. Sheppard took a copy of a footie game (gotta love that!). But what did Weir take with her?

My money's on her hairdresser. Her hair did look suspiciously well-styled in this episode! :D
You're not the first to notice her hair! And there have been comments about her seemingly endless supply of blouses, too.

SeaBee
October 27th, 2004, 03:48 PM
I really enjoyed the ep.
The look of glee on Sheps face when he pushed McKay off the balcony and mentioned that he had also shot him was a scream.
I also thought the scene between McKay and Beckett when he got the injection was good too. Those two really work well together, it seemed really natural.
Nice effect when McKay goes into the dark entity.
Good ep.

Terok
October 28th, 2004, 06:20 AM
I thought it was odd how Weir called him McKay all through this episode (and especially in this moment) when she called him Rodney through all of "Rising." It seemed kind of impersonal. Are they not friends anymore?
Maybe it's because Weir is in command of the operation at Atlantis, and may now feel it inappropriate to be informal infront of others members of the team.


I liked the effect when McKay goes into the Darkness as well. Just a thought, I may be unclear, but if the Personal Shield was programmed to work only with the first person who used it wouldn't it only work with the ancient that wore it originally and not McKay? Maybe it hadn't been wore before, who knows?

Elite Anubis Guard
October 28th, 2004, 10:58 AM
i thought it was great, the idea that the ancient had to research accesion was cool.

i loved how sheppard the rodney interacted in this.


"and you thought you test it out by throwing him off a balcony?"

"that wasnt the first thing we tried.....I shot him :D.....what? it was only in the leg!"


hehe im liking this guy!

greytop
October 28th, 2004, 11:01 AM
i thought it was great, the idea that the ancient had to research accesion was cool.

i loved how sheppard the rodney interacted in this.


"and you thought you test it out by throwing him off a balcony?"

"that wasnt the first thing we tried.....I shot him :D.....what? it was only in the leg!"


hehe im liking this guy!
Which one? Sheppard or McKay?

Elite Anubis Guard
October 28th, 2004, 11:08 AM
sheppard, and mckay, theyre both great!

Madeleine
October 28th, 2004, 12:48 PM
Oh how I love Rodney! And Carson! Shepperd (who I like but not vastly, yet) endeared himself to me a bit more in the opening scenes too. The looks on the boys' faces when they tell Weir that Sheppherd had shot MacKay was just perfect. Ditto with the simultaneouls realisation that McKay probably couldn't eat.

The plot was humdrum. Teyla is still leaving me cold. Weir was fine, Ford too. The SFX were okay till the end, where they became awesome.

I'd watch it a second time, but probably not a third. The beginning might get a couple of extra rewatches on its own though.

Elite Anubis Guard
October 29th, 2004, 04:28 AM
lol i wud watch it just for the pushin him off the balcony and the i shot him comment!

Terok
October 29th, 2004, 07:23 AM
Still not really liking Teyla either. Maybe she'll get an episode soon to expand her character a bit.

Crazedwraith
October 30th, 2004, 02:21 PM
Liked it. Liked the slight Teyla + her people/Weir friction. I though the Testing McKay's shield was well done as well as the physcological details of its working.

Liked Beckett "well lets just say its legal in the pegasus galaxy

WraithWarrior
November 15th, 2004, 07:25 AM
Liked how the ancients were developed further and how they were found not to be some super race of people and that they had to study Ascention. Does anybody know what that ascended creature was exactly?

greytop
December 7th, 2004, 06:40 PM
I am watching the episode, right now. It got me to wondering about Rodney's gene thepary. Maybe in the later seasons, somehow the thepary works for a while then goes terribly wrong. That would be an interesting concept and probably very funny, IHMO.

Na'onac
January 5th, 2005, 07:39 AM
This is probably my favourite episode of the show so far as there are several funny and brilliant moments, my favourite being the part where Rodney is pushed off the balcony by Sheppard!

Also adds a nice look into the progress of Rodney's Gene Therapy.

thorshammer
April 22nd, 2005, 06:39 PM
I liked that Rodney get to be the hero. :D

P-90_177
September 22nd, 2005, 02:37 AM
This was a perfect follow up to rising. It took a step back from all the action and let the characters expand and let the viewers know them a little better, especially Mckay and Shepard. I loved the humour between those two as well as Beckett. The bit with Shep shoving Mckay off the platform was genius and the follow up about how it wasn't the first think was even better

Mckay: Oh believe me this wasn't the first thing we tried.
Shepard (smiling): I shot him!

Lord Zedd
September 22nd, 2005, 01:25 PM
I liked that Rodney get to be the hero. :D
yeah :p same here I liked it too

Chris Allan
October 23rd, 2005, 10:22 AM
This is one of my favourite episodes of the Season. It really started to get the character relationships in place, particularly McKay/Sheppard. The shield testing scene was pure genius, (I shot him). it was a shame to have it air on the same day as SG1's Lockdown though. I think the producers should take into account the episode order of the other series and re-shuffle episode orders so that it doesn't happen in the future.

mckaychick
February 18th, 2006, 03:58 PM
this is my favorite episode of the show. I have seen this episode 30 times and love it every time. Mckay was brilliant and loved the sheppard/mcay scenes.

Tanner1234
March 21st, 2006, 05:05 PM
My one question about this episode is How does Holling hurt his leg? He didn't hurt it during Rising 1 or 2, and then at the start of Hide and Seek Weir mentions that he got hurt and he uses crutches.

Mattathias2.0
March 21st, 2006, 05:49 PM
He fell down Lantean stairs??? :P

Mattathias

Nerual
March 22nd, 2006, 04:52 AM
Shame he wasn't wearing one of those shield devices-IN-VUL-NER-ABLE!!!

Eirual.

mckaychick
April 1st, 2006, 02:16 PM
He fell down Lantean stairs???

captain jake
April 8th, 2006, 06:30 PM
I think they were trying to show how weird of an environment it is for his people. They arent used to stairs and stuff like that.

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
April 26th, 2006, 01:04 PM
right i can't be bothered to read though 11 pages so i am sorry if this has already been addressed
with the force feild on how did rodney, take a whizz, take a dump, bretheand touch all the buttons on the ancient technology

captain jake
April 26th, 2006, 07:00 PM
He probably didn't "take a dump" or a "whizz" and if he moved the force field moved so he could push things that were outside the shield. And the air thing I assume that it would let air in for some reason.

Syera
April 29th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Well, being as how a shield device that would kill you of asphyxiation in a matter of minutes would be fairly well worthless... I'd expect it would be designed to allow air through. ;)

captain jake
May 2nd, 2006, 07:56 PM
Yes but there is always the chance they never got it to work properly like the time travel device in "window of opportunity"(also built by the ancients).;)

woody
May 3rd, 2006, 05:04 AM
Really good episode, one of the better ones in the first season and as for Rodneyt glad he was the hero and well some funny segements in it :D

captain jake
May 3rd, 2006, 03:46 PM
Why did you like it so much??

McClance
July 11th, 2006, 02:20 AM
I loved McKay's ordeal with the personal shield. :jack_new_anime06:

Though, when ever I think about it, I can't help but to wonder... What if McKay had to take care of some bodily functions?

McClance
July 17th, 2006, 02:43 AM
After watching this episode again tonight, I noticed an error in this one. Shouldn't Rodney have a bit of a difficult breathing through the shield. If he can't even get a drop of coffee (or whatever) into his mouth...

This little problem came to me toward the end when he was walking through the Shadow.

woody
July 17th, 2006, 10:18 AM
Good point, but well if it was built to protect them there should be a way of
02 getting in but well if coffee anddrinks don't unless it allows gasses and isn't gass proof is the only reason i can think of.

Orovingwen
September 26th, 2006, 04:58 PM
maye the shiel just prodect things going to him, that means he could fire a gunshot and the bullet would go through the shield to the target but not a bullet can hit him. so the shield doesn't appear until something comes towards him as for air I think he wouldn't survive in space, so no "bottle"-shield like the one Gioa'ult use. you see actually that th eparticles in the nebula/creature that wants to attac Rodney go against the shield so think if it's "just gas" it wouldn't work.
Just think of Rodney must go to the rest room and the shield wouldn't let anything go through *eww*

great Episode, only Jinto was a bit booring. Not per se only that it was too long.
McKay was really great and really good looking in the black fog/smoke/whatever. And Shep realy happy with "I shoot him" ( I guess Istarted here with "mmh.. slash?")

Likes Carson and Grodni here "Mr. Untouchable" *hihi* or in the beginning:
McKay: You got your eye on anyone?
Beckett: err. Not really.
McKay: Actually I was talking to the mouse. *turns to Beckett* but. uh. now you mention it some of those athosian women are pretty hot. And we did just save them for the wraith so we got to trade on that while we can you know? Before they discover that we're not actually that cool.

oh and of course

Beckett: I'm surprised you're so eager to volunteer for this Rodney.
McKay: Well you know me always eager to help.*cringes*
Beckett: right...

*hehe* love them here!

SaberBlade
October 28th, 2006, 09:37 PM
Either I am blind, or I missed something, but can anyone tell me what happened to Halling?

I got the impression he was hurt because of something Atlantis related, but I don't recall anything being shown or said about the cause of his injury. He looked fined in Rising but then ended up using crutches in the this episode.

Someone said something like "We don't want anyone getting hurt the way Halling did" and I can't remember the how or why surrounding the injury.

greytop
October 28th, 2006, 09:43 PM
I don't think they ever did say.

Catsitter
October 29th, 2006, 03:58 AM
I think I read in an interview a long time ago that Christopher Heyerdahl had picked up the injury in between filming episodes and so he genuinely did have a bad leg in that episode, so they quickly wrote that line in to cover it, but it will take me a while to track down the interview...!

SaberBlade
October 29th, 2006, 02:39 PM
If you can find the interview, that would be great. However just knowing that they decided add his injury at least gives some sort of closure despite the character's injury was never revealed.

meredithchandler73
November 11th, 2006, 12:41 PM
I just started watching Atlantis, so I've only seen this episode and the pilot. I didn't think this was quite as good as Rising, but I there were enough good things in the episode to like. Loved McKay! I found him quite annoying on SG-1 (I know he's supposed to be annoying - but for me it was bordering on "I don't want to watch him") and I couldn't imagine his character on a show every single week. But I like him. And yay - he even got to be the hero at the end.

Angela V
January 6th, 2007, 12:57 AM
Was watching this with the kids and hubby. My neice is visting and loved this episode. She kept giggling at Rodney. My son was really scared of the black smoke at one point. Hey, he's only 6! I did point out that this is Stargate and to remember Daniel has "died" a few times and has always come back. :)

Silverwings
February 1st, 2007, 04:36 PM
OK, so I'm late to this party... but I wanted to chime in on a few things.

One, I liked McKay in this episode. He's a twit, but he's shaping up to be a better character than he was on SG-1.

...and my favorite line in the show is one of his: (something to this effect)
"I didn't believe in ghosts. Then we came to the Pegasus galaxy and met these things called the Wraith that can drain the life out of you with these little suckers on their hands. What the hell is that?"

His sentiments echo my own... please tell me that the Wraith aren't a cheap schlocky way to interject "horror" into the Gate mythos. Yeah, I've only watched the first few episodes, but doggone it, they are just lame excuses for vampires. I hope that Atlantis has done better than that since then. Stargate SG-1 didn't usually stoop to this sort of gross-out "monster of the week" nonsense to drive interest.

Good characters and interesting dialogue drove the best of that show... and now we have some of the same... plus hand vampires? What is that all about?

So... does it get better? Please?

Randy_Watson
March 1st, 2007, 04:38 AM
Don't know if this has been discussed, but when Sheppard is watching the football game Weir says something like "you are allowed one personal item and you brought this?"

But later on we see he has the novel War and Peace and he has a poster of Johnny Cash in his bedroom. It's pretty minor, but kind of annoying. Maybe the posters were just a communtiy item pool that they could draw from.

That said, doesn't it seem like they packed sort of light when they came? It's not like they were in danger of weighing down the gate. Everyone should have had a giant backpack and a couple of roller suitcases.

Ozzy O'NeiLL
March 11th, 2007, 04:33 AM
Don't know if this has been discussed, but when Sheppard is watching the football game Weir says something like "you are allowed one personal item and you brought this?"

But later on we see he has the novel War and Peace and he has a poster of Johnny Cash in his bedroom. It's pretty minor, but kind of annoying. Maybe the posters were just a communtiy item pool that they could draw from.

That said, doesn't it seem like they packed sort of light when they came? It's not like they were in danger of weighing down the gate. Everyone should have had a giant backpack and a couple of roller suitcases.

That sounds of somewhat of a plothole there... hadn't noticed before.

Maybe "You were allowed one personal item and you brought this?" just sounded better to the writers than "only a few personal items"... I don't know. It's relatively unimportant plothole-wise methinks. Especially given that slipups like that are generally quite absent throughout the series.

Hide and Seek was one of the (many) great McKay eps btw. :D All his remarks about dying from hunger eventually and not being around anymore - priceless. And he decided to be the hero in the end, too, by venturing into the darkness to lure the energy creature through the stargate. Gotta love McKay :)

Wraith~Girl
May 16th, 2008, 03:08 PM
McKay:"Oh, believe me. This isn't the first time we've tested it."
Sheppard: "I shot him...in the leg!"

I love this episode. That scene in the beginning when Sheppard pushes McKay off the balcony reminds me of my cousins and I. :sheppard:

Flossy
May 17th, 2008, 02:06 PM
McKay: 'I'm a dead man...'

It's a brilliant episode! One of my all-time faves. LMOA with the balcony scene. Oh, and the...

BECKETT: 'Captain Untouchable.'

gateship15
August 18th, 2008, 03:19 AM
i like this ep because it shows that Rodney can be a hero when need be.i also like the fact that they tease him about fainting and that rodney finally gets his wish about using Ancient technology.

Butlersgate
February 25th, 2009, 11:30 AM
hillarious intro, great episode

Rose "Snapjinx" McKnight
February 27th, 2009, 08:46 AM
Okie dokie. Don't know if it's been said yet, but there was a minor moment that got me thinking.

FORD: "You sure it'll do enough damage?"
MCKAY: "Ever see a 20-kiloton nuclear explosion?"
SHEPPARD: "I have."
(everyone stares at him)
SHEPPARD: "Not up close."

Where the heck would he see something like that? It's one of those character backstory things that made me really curious.

gateship15
March 2nd, 2009, 01:33 AM
i agree were would u see one of those i now wish they told us because it would have been a great thing to know

escyos
May 15th, 2009, 04:05 AM
this ep is good, loved how we got to see the city for the first time

gateship15
May 15th, 2009, 04:52 PM
it looked fantastic the city of Atlantis underwater

nmmb
July 13th, 2009, 06:25 PM
I loved McKay's ordeal with the personal shield. :jack_new_anime06:

Though, when ever I think about it, I can't help but to wonder... What if McKay had to take care of some bodily functions?


That would be funny, a little private swimming pool...:mckay:

gateship15
July 14th, 2009, 12:01 AM
lol true i would have hated to be him if that problem had arisen

ktebid
February 5th, 2010, 02:02 AM
rewatched this today. I lol-ed when Sheppard tossed McKay off the balcony, I loved the boyish excitement they shared. I thought it very McKay-ish when the device fell off, and his reaction, and yet he redeemed himself at the end.

gateship15
February 7th, 2010, 12:49 AM
lol i like the excitement as well and i love rodney redeemed himself in the end

mrscopterdoc
June 6th, 2010, 08:30 PM
This is one of my favorite episodes of this season. For one thing, it is a little bit creepy/scary [at least the first time I watched it] and then of course there is the whole Rodney getting thrown off a balcony and getting shot in the leg :P

Cold Fuzz
June 28th, 2010, 12:51 AM
I watched Hide and Seek for the first time in a long time. It was an incredibly strange experience to see all the characters back at the beginning of the story. Especially strange was how McKay wasn't nearly as...unlikeable as he was in later seasons. I now wonder about some of the choices TPTB made in later seasons. What if the Athosians stayed in Atlantis? What if Weir stayed on? What if the ensemble was more balanced, with Beckett, Ronon, and Teyla being utilized more in seasons 4 and 5?

So many interesting possibilities--and all because of seeing what the show and characters were, and knowing what they would be later. :)

Gamma626
September 2nd, 2010, 07:04 PM
Just finished this episode. Still a great episode. Not my favorite of the season for sure, but it had some fantastic character moments. The scene with John, Rodney, Ford and Teyla watching football is priceless! Same with Weir's "And you didn't invite me?"

Great line. Great scene.

Also, all of Rodneys human shield scenes were some of the best Rodney moments we ever got!

maneth
November 9th, 2010, 10:30 AM
Atlantis rising to the surface was really cool. Rodney with the shield was great! A far cry from that horrid little man in SG-1.