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GateWorld
July 23rd, 2004, 04:25 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 803</FONT>
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The S.G.C. is put under quarantine after a mysterious infection leaves a Russian officer in the infirmary -- but the disease may not be a disease at all.

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taupecat
July 23rd, 2004, 06:33 PM
Okay, my first impressions...

1) Hey! We get the "Daniel goes crazy" ep of the season over with early.

2) Loved the "Who shot me?" eye nudge thing. ROFL!

3) Spoilers for Heroes 2....
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Could we please get the Asgard to resurrect Janet and get rid of Dr. No Personality? Pretty please?

4) What's with the frelling KS.... planet designation?? Don't all planets start with P (except that screwy one in "Bane" and the moon in "Prodigy"). It's been eight years people, we should all have this down by now. And damn my cable for having a spaz attack at the very end and missing Jack's comment. Will have to re-TiVo at 11.

5) I've given it two weeks, and I still don't like Sam's hair much. Or Teal'c's for that matter. Meh.

6) Did Daniel seem a little hyper? Me thinks he needs to cut back on the caffeine.

7) Too bad about the Russian guy. I kinda liked him. Jack seemed a little harsh to him in their first meeting, but since he was actually Anubis I guess I'm okay with it.

8) Oh, and about that, I totally didn't see that coming. Wow, for once I wasn't spoiled for the main plot point.

9) So what happened to Camulus? No sign of him this week. Guess he was in a holding cell or something. Kinda like where was Jonus in "Revelations"? You know he's around, but it's odd that no one mentions it.

As I said, gotta rewatch it for where the cable went wacko. But all in all, a good ep.

Edit: Okay, it wasn't *just* my cable but something wrong with Sci Fi, according to the posts in the General Discussion board. Well, hopefully the 11 o'clock showing will be spaz-free.

Ilios
July 23rd, 2004, 06:43 PM
Lockdown was very interesting, but good... they kept us guessing on what was happening till the very end.

Spoilers for Lost City Part 2...






For me, the Anubis twist was my favorite part of the episode. Seeing him without his force field was unnerving :)

I also didn't understand the planet destination at the end of the episode... *shrugs*

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 07:20 PM
I'll assume spoilers are implied...

My biggest question is: Why the hell didn't they activate the iris??! It can stop stuff incoming, but a shield works both ways!

Ilios
July 23rd, 2004, 07:24 PM
Spoilers...






Can Anubis go through the iris like he did through the wall?

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 07:26 PM
Spoilers...






Can Anubis go through the iris like he did through the wall?
If he were non-corporeal, he could, but I think Daniel or someone said he needed to be occupying a body to go through the gate... although why he should, I dunno. Oma never did...

Ilios
July 23rd, 2004, 07:28 PM
Oh then nevermind, just thought it up...

TechnoBoY
July 23rd, 2004, 07:29 PM
I wish they would bring Dr Fraiser back too! During the ep I kept wondering why they killed her in the first place. I dont like this doctor, I dont think I'll get used to her either. I saw her and was like, oh Doc Fraiser is dead. I dont really like her voice. She looked familliar though, cant think of where I saw her before.

Why did the Russian guy decide to be hero? I dont get it.

DownFallAngel
July 23rd, 2004, 07:32 PM
DId anyone have the Ghostbusters theme running through their head while this was going?

Also, what happened to Patient Doctor Confidentiality(SP?)? I mean come on, that doctor was treating Vascofk and she just went and blabbed it to Sam, who blabbed it to Daniel, as he was dying! I understand if she told Jack(Brightman-->Jack), but come on..Sam!? She is an f-ing physasyst!

IWantToBelieve
July 23rd, 2004, 07:33 PM
She was on Mysterious Ways. I think a lot has to do with how they did her make-up, Alisen Down is very pretty, but I think they overdid the hair/make-up, and didn't let any of her personality through.

I agree about Fraiser. I've been kind of miffed over that from the time the rumors got out. It was pointless to kill her off. :(

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 07:39 PM
I like Alisen Down, but Dr. Brightman came across as very flat in this ep. I think the heavy makeup job was to make her look older 'cause Alisen is very young-looking. I'd have to go back and rewatch Fraiser's first ep, but I think she was at least allowed to express SOME personality traits...

Brightman needs some quirks. Something to humanize her.

DownFallAngel
July 23rd, 2004, 07:52 PM
Jack as general....mad paperwork. Hammond never had that many file folders.

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 07:55 PM
Well, Hammond was probably good about keeping up with things like that. Plus, the transfer of power is still relatively new. Probably heaps and gobs of paperwork involved with that.

Loved the mention of the kitchen problems. They got the wrong potatoes! :eek: hehe

the adventurer
July 23rd, 2004, 07:59 PM
"CHILLY!"

Hilarious.

the adventurer
July 23rd, 2004, 08:01 PM
Oh thing bothing me, after how ONeil and Co. royaly skrewed Anubis. So you'd think when he took the Russian dude (with a Gun) he would have double tapped Jacks face, just to be sure.

uknesvuinng
July 23rd, 2004, 08:35 PM
Well, Hammond was probably good about keeping up with things like that. Plus, the transfer of power is still relatively new. Probably heaps and gobs of paperwork involved with that.

Loved the mention of the kitchen problems. They got the wrong potatoes! :eek: hehe
I bet Luke was absolutely livid. How can a man make general and not know anything about potato consistancy?

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 08:37 PM
I can see Luke getting increasingly irritated with Jack this season- and not because of Carter! Or, not just because of her...

Jack better watch it or he'll be lucky to get crackers and water. ;)

Persephone
July 23rd, 2004, 09:20 PM
This episode didn't exactly enthrall me, which is something I rarely experience with SG-1. I think part of the problem was that I'm starting to get itchy to get offworld. LOL

Still, it had its moments. Loved the potato part. Loved the "Who shot me?" part. Loved wondering how young General Hammond from 1969 stayed so wonderfully fit and youthful all these years ;) Entertained myself by trying to list exactly how many times and it what ways Sam has been possessed by something.

I wasn't anticipating the Anubis twist, and I also wasn't expecting that he'd overtaken Jack. At first I thought he might, in that corridor scene after he came out of Sam, but when they started the auto-detstruct I thought it was Jack trying to push Anubis into making a move again. I always enjoy when a plot twist surprises me, so... that was good.

Not sure about the new doctor, though I did recognize her from Mysterious Ways right off the bat. She did seem overly... professional, to use a euphamism, but I'm willing to give her a chance. We'll see what happens next week. I like her voice, though.

I still want to get offworld with the team, but Zero Hour looks interesting, too. :)

Elwe Singollo
July 23rd, 2004, 09:24 PM
I don't mind either kind of episodes, off-world or on, i still like them:) But the new doctor was a bit, well all in previous posts said what i was thinking, so i won't repeat. Because of spoilers, i had a hint who the villian in the episode would be, but didn't know if was true, but yes, liked it :)

Ilios
July 23rd, 2004, 09:27 PM
I don't mind either kind of episodes, off-world or on, i still like them:) But the new doctor was a bit, well all in previous posts said what i was thinking, so i won't repeat. Because of spoilers, i had a hint who the villian in the episode would be, but didn't know if was true, but yes, liked it :)

I don't mind on-world episodes either... though theres more action in off-world episodes... :S

Erik Bloodaxe
July 23rd, 2004, 09:33 PM
My biggest question is: Why the hell didn't they activate the iris??! It can stop stuff incoming, but a shield works both ways!

I had the same question, but it was kinda answered when it turned out they were actually tricking Anubis onto that ice planet. ;) Waiting around for the Ancients to get involved (something I don't think was going to happen since the whole Anubis mess probably wouldn't exist if they were more competent :rolleyes:), it likely would've entailed a miffed Anubis zapping all of them. :p

As to the need of a body: I believe the body was necessary for Anubis to find another shield again, but otherwise he likely could've gone through the gate all on his own.

-Bloodaxe

kiwigater
July 23rd, 2004, 09:42 PM
*sob* MISS JANET *sob*
Not much to be done about it now, but can't they warm the new Dr up a little!!
BTW, I think they mentioned at some point in the dim dark past that only planets (with habitable atmospheres??) have a P-____ designation. Didn't they mention M - for moon at some point????? :p You got me on what KS is for tho.. :D
Other than that, agree completely with Taupecat. Thrilled I didn't get spoiled on this Aunibis thing..... happy to see some resolution (after all it seemed a tad convinient that he could just die in an explosion... :p ).
I too thought Jack was merely trying to force Anubis's hand with the self destruct, its fun being out of the loop! (just don't try it every ep :p :D ).
LOVED the team stuff, now if only they could get offworld...

Major Tyler
July 23rd, 2004, 09:52 PM
I like how Jack still wears BDUs rather than the dressier short-sleeze shirt that Hammond often opted for.

Animalian
July 23rd, 2004, 10:09 PM
I know it has been said a million times but the whole Daniel not remembering was just hilarious. The WHOLE conversation was hilarious not just "Who shot me?". The potato thing was also hilarious. O.O "No!" ROFL!

Hohenzollern
July 23rd, 2004, 10:18 PM
So Anubis cannot leave/depart a frozen corpse or did he perhaps die with the Russian?

I was disappointed the O'Niell character did not rise to properly greet the character of the Russian officer. It turned out to be anubis, but still, that was not known at the time.

The episode did a good job of keeping us out of the loop. I thought, initially, that the Russian would be recurring character now and then. Thus I was hoping he was Navy and SPETSNAZ. Moot, of course, as he is now a popsicle.

The potato quandry was genius.

Star_Hunter
July 23rd, 2004, 11:26 PM
I liked it but my question was why did the major go ahead and use his key to start auto destruct...I mean you know O'Neill just shot Carter and Anubis appears to have left, then you have O'neill say come over here and lets turn on the auto destruct (only reason would be the blow the gate and I don't think they would do that even if that meant Anubis would escape) and you don't even seem to think hey maybe Anubis took over Jack now....If that was me I would of not have done so and would of ran to someone like Carter or someone else about it (depending on how fast she recoved form the zat) instead of just saying ok sir and then getting owned by Anubis...

Major Tyler
July 24th, 2004, 12:16 AM
If Colonel Vaselov was frozen fast enough, he might not be dead. Or maybe Anubis is keeping him alive to save himself. If/when a Goa'uld ship finds him, they may use a sarcophagus to revive him and then Anubis will leave him to make a shield or whatever. There is some hope, I really liked Alexi.

Major Kearney (AKA Young Hammond) was also cool, he should be Carter's 2IC.

Anubis
July 24th, 2004, 12:19 AM
Yeah, Anubis is a pretty smart dude!

morjana
July 24th, 2004, 12:42 AM
The SciFi Channel has updated both the "Stargate SG-1" and the "Stargate Atlantis" sites with episode synopses for tonight's episodes:


STARGATE SG-1

Download teaser for "Zero Hour":

http://www.scifi.com/stargate/teaser/index.html

"Lockdown" Episode Synopsis:

http://www.scifi.com/stargate/episodes/season8/0803/

Plus four photos and a General O'Neill sound byte -- "The Problem with Yukon Gold Potatoes"

http://www.scifi.com/stargate/episodes/season8/0803/oneal_clip.html


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STARGATE ATLANTIS


"Hide and Seek" Episode Synopsis:

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/season1/episode103/

Plus four photos

And a "Did You Know?" feature on:

According to Dr. Beckett, "We believe ATA, or Ancient Technology Activation, is caused by a single gene that's always on, instructing various cells in the body to produce a series of proteins and enzymes that interact with the skin, the nervous system, and the brain." In his experimental genetic therapy that could allow ATA with treated humans, "we're using a mouse retrovirus to deliver the missing gene."

Download teaser for "Hide and Seek":

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/season1/episode103/video_clip.html

Download the ORIGINAL Stargate Atlantis teaser:

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/video/teaser.html



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Morjana

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Richard Dean Anderson Fans
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Anubis
July 24th, 2004, 12:44 AM
Thanks for the links! I'm gonna go check them out now

Manic
July 24th, 2004, 01:04 AM
Sam and Daniel get possessed by an alien. Must be Tuesday...

I liked this episode, but only because Anubis was tied into it. If the entity had simply been another random alien or an intelligent virus... I would've been a tad miffed.

I loved Jack's idea to announce the lockdown was permanent. He knew that would make Anubis spring into action, and it worked like a charm. I was, like some of you, confused when he activated the self-destruct. I figured it was either Jack trying to draw Anubis out, or Anubis playing his final card. Turns out it was latter-ahoy.

Loved the surprise twist of Sam switching the dialing sequence. I was wondering why nobody closed the iris or simply shot him while he was in Vaselov's body (he's not in the opening credits, and he was dying anyway. Sounds like fodder to me). Then bam, they get stuck on a frozen planet. Vaselov's body can't dial, and Anubis is intangible.

Is anyone else really pissed at the Ancients? I wonder why they let this guy do whatever he wants. I know Oma couldn't have been the one who let him keep his powers. Hell, all she let Daniel keep was memories of his life, pre-ascension.

Anubis
July 24th, 2004, 02:28 AM
Yay for another Anubis episode. I'll probably download the episode this week, although I'm not in a hurry!

Anthro Girl
July 24th, 2004, 02:58 AM
I will post before I read this whole thread, so forgive me if I repeat anything.

I've only got one viewing under my belt, but overall a good feeling. After all this talk and excitement about Atlantis this week, I was missing my ol' SGC. ;) O'Neill is fitting quite uncomfortably into his General status. Loved the crack about the potatoes (although Yukon Gold's actually do make great mash and crappy fries :rolleyes: Sorry General, but I'm sure Luke knows that!). Liked the fact that Anubis jumped through most of SG-1 and liked the scenes running 'round the SGC in general. Daniel had some great scenes with the Russian and Sam's eyes in the "who shot me?" scene were LOL funny. Hair-today-gone-tomorrow-Teal'c was amusing. You'd think they could fix that with makeup?:D

I can't think of more right now. It's too late and my mind is turning to mash. Basically, it was a good episode. Now we get to look forward to months and months of "Is Anubis Dead?" threads. :p

elhSG1
July 24th, 2004, 02:59 AM
Yeah, this was a great episode, was cool to see Anubis back even if it was just his energy. Had some great humorous moments. Can't wait until next week, the previews looked great!

Anubis
July 24th, 2004, 03:08 AM
Can someone tell me what actually happens to him? I want to be spoiled! :D

Anthro Girl
July 24th, 2004, 03:27 AM
More ramblings now that I've read the thread:

- Don't know about the "KS" thing. Somebody better ask at ComicCon this weekend. ;)

- The Russian was probably feeling guilty for bringing the "infection" and wanted to redeem himself. He figured he was dead anyway.

- This "avoiding spoilers" thing is pretty cool! :D Although I figured it was Anubis as soon as I saw the transfer scene at the ISS, I hadn't been spoiled on that, so it was a lot of fun.

- I kept waiting for Daniel/Sam/O'Neill to go straight-faced and say "Prepare to meet your doom!" Darn.

- The new doc...Brightman? She needs to go on a date...go dancing or something. ;)

- Since when did Gen. Hammond get a grandson and when did he join the SGC? :p (now watch that joke become theory)

- And what the heck is the military doing buying designer potatoes? Your tax dollars at work? Besides, they're Canadian potatoes! :eek: :p

Still have a warm, fuzzy feeling about the ep. YAY!

Anthro Girl
July 24th, 2004, 03:30 AM
Can someone tell me what actually happens to him? I want to be spoiled! :D
Anubis gets into a body and goes through the gate, but Sam changed the coordinates. Instead of the planet he planned to go to, he ends up at a tropical one where he opens a tiki bar, serves drinks with little umbrellas and learns to play the ukelele. :D

Hint: SciFi.com

Anubis
July 24th, 2004, 03:33 AM
lol As if..

Elwe Singollo
July 24th, 2004, 04:03 AM
Anubis gets into a body and goes through the gate, but Sam changed the coordinates. Instead of the planet he planned to go to, he ends up at a tropical one where he opens a tiki bar, serves drinks with little umbrellas and learns to play the ukelele. :D

Hint: SciFi.comI was about to say, yah, thats what happened, until the tiki bar part, haha... So sad for Anubis, well nevermind, its Anubis :rolleyes:

Anubis
July 24th, 2004, 05:01 AM
How can you say that! lol

ShadowMaat
July 24th, 2004, 06:02 AM
So Anubis cannot leave/depart a frozen corpse or did he perhaps die with the Russian?
Actually, I see no reason why Anubis couldn't just ghost off from the frozen world. He can pass through solid objects, so even if the Russian was flash frozen, he'd still be able to escape.

And ya gotta figure that the Ancients can't be everywhere at once. What reason would they have for keeping an eye on some remote frozen wasteland? Nothing is likely to happen there...

Slainte
July 24th, 2004, 06:29 AM
I like Alisen Down, but Dr. Brightman came across as very flat in this ep. I think the heavy makeup job was to make her look older 'cause Alisen is very young-looking. I'd have to go back and rewatch Fraiser's first ep, but I think she was at least allowed to express SOME personality traits...

Brightman needs some quirks. Something to humanize her.
I think TPTB are wise in introducing Dr. Brightman slowly and letting us warm up to her. Replacing any much loved person (or fictional character), especially one who died in the line of duty, has to be difficult. The replacement keeps her head down (figuratively), learns the situation and the people, acts completely professional, then, over time, asserts her own personality.

Dr. Brightman/Down has a lot to live up to, a pretty daunting task.
I'm more than willing to give her time and see what develops.

ShadowMaat
July 24th, 2004, 06:35 AM
The replacement keeps her head down (figuratively), learns the situation and the people, acts completely professional, then, over time, asserts her own personality.
We know that time-wise it has already been at LEAST a few months- likely more. She should have an established personality (within the context of the story) by now.

As for "asserting" one's self... Jonas did a pretty good job of establishing himself right off the bat and it would seem to me that if you want a character to be "accepted" then you should try and at least throw viewers a bone- something they can latch onto and say, "Hey, that's pretty cool of him/her." I'm not saying it should be shoved down our throats (which seems to be the usual tactic), but just a little something might be nice... something that can be built upon later.

Teal'c
July 24th, 2004, 06:44 AM
Anubis can probably, almost definately leave the frozen body. But trying to fly away from the planet without using his ascended powers... he didn't travel very fast so it would take a LONG time :P

Loved this ep, I was shouting for Anubis to escape in the end, because I didn't know if he would or not. Then of course Sam mentioned the planet she sent him to... :P

And Luke got pissy over having the wrong spuds :P

Slainte
July 24th, 2004, 06:47 AM
We know that time-wise it has already been at LEAST a few months- likely more. She should have an established personality (within the context of the story) by now.

We don't know when she was assigned. Even though Janet's been gone for a while her permanent replacement may not have arrived on post until quite recently.

I still think TPTB are smart to let us get to know Dr. Brightman slowly. She may never interact with SG-1 like Janet. Dr. Brightman may be more like the male doctor, Dr. Warner, and we may not see as much of her as we did Janet. Time will tell.

ShadowMaat
July 24th, 2004, 06:50 AM
Anubis can probably, almost definately leave the frozen body. But trying to fly away from the planet without using his ascended powers... he didn't travel very fast so it would take a LONG time
What I'm saying is, he could maybe use his ascended powers without the Ancients knowing it. They can't be EVERYWHERE at once, and some dead-end snowball in the middle of nowhere isn't likely to be high on their list of priority locations. Unless they go all "I feel a disturbance in the Force..." and blink instantly to the location. I think Anubis might have a bit of leeway. That was far too easy an end for him.

IWantToBelieve
July 24th, 2004, 07:13 AM
Brightman wasn't bad, really. She can hopefully grow into the job, but that depends on how much they write for her. She was stiff, but as it progressed I thought she loosened up enough for me to think she'll continue to improve as Doc. She has big shoes to fill.

And ironically, I fixed Yukon Gold's for dinner last night, and the mashed does have a different consistency, in case anyone wondered. :)

Anubis
July 24th, 2004, 07:20 AM
Yeah, it would take Anubis a long time to travel, with his powers it can be pretty fast within seconds I guess

aAnubiSs
July 24th, 2004, 07:34 AM
Why didn't Anubis go for the BC-303?

keshou
July 24th, 2004, 07:37 AM
Joe Mallozzi's production notes are now up at:

http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s8/making/803.shtml

Interesting that he originally planned to send Anubis to a fiery planet, rather than a frozen one. I think they made the right choice, loved the image of poor Russian guy standing like a popsicle on the planet.

keshou
July 24th, 2004, 08:01 AM
In general I liked "Lockdown" quite a bit and they managed to produce a standalone episode that still tied in to the Anubis arc. Definitely think we haven't seen the last of Anubis. Which amazingly doesn't both me much -- I liked him better as the dark "essence" than in his Darth Vader costume!

* I like seeing Jack adjust to the General role and as I hoped, he seems to be toning down the cosmic giddiness a bit without losing his sarcastic edge. Nice to see him try and outwit Anubis, showing his abilities as a competent leader.

* Liked the pacing of the episode. I already knew the twist (which was pretty well telegraphed in the opening sequence anyway), but Anubis jumping from person to person kept up the tension and we got to see Daniel being shot by all his team members and kickbut Sam in action. Jack got a lot of action and Teal'c got lines!

* Liked the team scenes and the humor. The group stuff was just enough to let us know that Jack and SG-1 are still a team in spirit if not in reality. :) Nice scene at the beginning and the "who shot me" scene was very funny with everyone rolling their eyes trying to avoid Daniel's question.

* Russian guy was a nice guest star and they managed to make him a sympathetic character (especially in his scenes with Daniel) so that we cared about his noble actions at the end.

There were some nits, already covered by everyone else. I'm still not sure about all the ascended rules. They seem to come and go as it's convenient. The new doc didn't have much personality but maybe they're just introducing the character slowly (verrryy slowly). Russian guy rising from his deathbed and making it to the gateroom without being stopped. Oh well, plot contrivances aside, I had fun watching it!.

Anubis
July 24th, 2004, 08:02 AM
I was reading the production notes earlier. They're good

Shipperahoy
July 24th, 2004, 08:09 AM
It was a good episode. Much more Jack in it than I thought that there would be. I actually thought it was a pretty good team episode even though Jack's not really part of the team anymore. I loved when Daniel woke up and asked who shot him. They looks that the other 3 exhanged were priceless. Eveyone got whumped in this one. Exept Teal'c that is. As for the doctor she was alright. She performed her function. TPTB probably don't expect her to take right away after how popular Janet was. I was kind of hoping that the Ancients would show up and kick some Anubis arse but the end was pretty good anyway. So if I understood the show right Anubis could leave the frozen Russians body and that frozen ice planet but he would be drawing the wrath of the Ancients on him right? I was a little fuzzy on that part.

Anubis
July 24th, 2004, 08:11 AM
I'm glad to hear there was a decent dose of Jack. I'm sure for the first three or four eps there will be quite a bit of him and it will start slowing a bit soon! :(

AgentX
July 24th, 2004, 08:20 AM
Loved the episode, it had me guessing for a large portion of it. I liked all the team interaction and all the humour of it all. It was thoroughly entertaining and even though I had read reports after it aired it did not dampen my enthusiasism.

2 for 2 this season, good job.

Brianamarie
July 24th, 2004, 08:53 AM
I loved the episode, and kept me giggling. My only nitpick was that the new doc had NO insignia on her uniform. Wearing a military dress uniform with no rank, and she's a doc? Don't think so. Someone fell asleep on the job! (Sorry, I'm military myself, so was curious, and then bugged about it. :D )

Poor Vaselov, shot down by Jack. Of course, he didn't seem to realize that he just needed the training before getting on an off-world team...

aAnubiSs
July 24th, 2004, 09:00 AM
I liked Vaselov. I liked him alot, too bad the way he left the show.

And Brianamarie: It wasn't Vaselov that wanted to go offworld. It was Anubis.

DarkQuee1
July 24th, 2004, 09:06 AM
DId anyone have the Ghostbusters theme running through their head while this was going?

Also, what happened to Patient Doctor Confidentiality(SP?)? I mean come on, that doctor was treating Vascofk and she just went and blabbed it to Sam, who blabbed it to Daniel, as he was dying! I understand if she told Jack(Brightman-->Jack), but come on..Sam!? She is an f-ing physasyst!

There's no such thing as patient/doctor confidentiality in the military. Sam was a superior officer to the doc and was working on a problem that affected the base. She had an absolute right to any pertinent information that the doctor had.

J.

Anubis
July 24th, 2004, 09:22 AM
I'm glad the new doctor has been welcomed. Look forward to watching her!

DarkQuee1
July 24th, 2004, 09:35 AM
I liked this episode, definitely more than NO. For one thing, it moved and had some real tension: you actually believed that the people at the base were worried and cared about what was going on (unlike the "Jack's frozen, ho hum" feeling of last week). I thought Jack is finding his feet as a General well (and I like that they gave a reason for his not wanting the Russian on SG-1 or any team at this time. And, yes, Jack *is* an "equal opportunity offender"--one of the reasons why I think that the Asgard don't have a problem with "little gray butts"; they know he talks to everyone that way!).

The previous posts on this thread have already pretty thoroughly covered a lot of the best parts of the ep and some of the questions ("KS" ????), but I did have a couple of problems I don't think I saw mentioned (I apologize if I missed them):


* How did Daniel know, almost at the end, that Anubis was on his way to the gateroom? He didn't seem to know that Anubis was inside Jack, or you assume he would have told Sam and Teal'c. So, what told him?

* The zats: their effect suddenly seems very inconsistent. Neither Jack nor Daniel seemed to be completely knocked out and both came around almost immediately, while Sam and some of the guards remained out cold. Pick one version of what a zat does and stick to it!


About the end: I think that Anubis is stuck. My impression was that this was *not* an inhabited world and he would have no one to jump to. On his own--assuming that there *is* a DHD there somewhere--he would be unable to dig the DHD out, clear away any ice or operate it. He might be able to do something if he used his powers, but that would bring the Others down on him immediately. (I'm also assuming that this planet was not on the Abydos cartouche, so a visit from the Goa'uld, especially as it appears so uninviting, would be unlikely.)


One interesting note: Jack and the planetary designations. They've given us evidence in the past that Jack doesn't "remember" the designations when he doesn't have to. Yet, in "2010", for example, he not only remembered that the designation in the note was one he had seen before, but he remembered it from an entire list of designations (and all of places to which they had not yet gone). Here, he knew exactly which world KSblah-blah was. Guess the general can't play some of the same games as the colonel.

J. :)

DarkQuee1
July 24th, 2004, 09:55 AM
Oh, one thing more: I really don't agree with the criticism of Dr. Brightman. I have no idea if they even intend to make her anything more than one of the second-level characters on the show (in fact, they might have every intention of downplaying her role, to avoid Janet comparisons), but I didn't have a problem with her last night. She needs to warm up and be more lively? "Lockdown" was not the ep for that. She came across as exactly what she needed to be under the circumstances: completely professional.

J.

Ugly Pig
July 24th, 2004, 09:57 AM
Well, I just finished watching last nights new episode for the first time. I haven't read any posts made since it aired, because I didn't want my view of the episode to be colored by other peoples reaction to it. Also, my big head considers


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Lockdown'

to be the only opinion of any value, heh heh. And I enjoyed the show, but felt it flew by a little too fast - no doubt due to me being spoiled by double-length episodes two weeks in a row. Also, the copy I watched seemed to be missing something at the very beginning. It can't have been much more than a few seconds, though.

So: The russians are back, huh? I wonder where they've been for the last year and a half. Have the russian SG team even been mentioned since 'Metamorphosis'? In any case, Jack seems to have gotten over his distrust of Russians in general - his reluctance to put the colonel on the team was obviously not due to his nationality.

Speaking of Jack, I found this episode to be surprisingly Jack-heavy. I knew he would be in it, but I didn't expect him to be front-and-center for so much of it with RDA's even-more-reduced schedule this year. I'm thinking TPTB made the right decision by having him put in charge of the SGC.

Yet, even with him being present to such a high degree there wasn't much of the usual banter other than a few exchanges regarding Jack having shot Daniel. Humor-wise, this episode wasn't a big one. The funniest moment for me was when Jack asked Daniel if he knew how to 'take away Anubis' options' and Daniel responded with a blank stare.

I also laughed at the final shot of frozen Anubis, although I suppose it does leave the door open for him to return (Can semi-ascended beings freeze to death?).

Overall, I found the episode to be pretty good. Nothing outstanding, but certainly enjoyable. Now I'm looking forward to watching last nights Atlantis episode in a few hours!

aAnubiSs
July 24th, 2004, 10:02 AM
Semi-Ascended? He seemed quite ascended to me, passing through walls and stuff. Why is he black and not white btw? Maybe he didn't find the Ancients way to ascend.
And no, I don't think he can die. Unless it's 0 K.

keshou
July 24th, 2004, 10:04 AM
Speaking of Jack, I found this episode to be surprisingly Jack-heavy. I knew he would be in it, but I didn't expect him to be front-and-center for so much of it with RDA's even-more-reduced schedule this year. I'm thinking TPTB made the right decision by having him put in charge of the SGC.

As I recall, Robert Cooper said in an interview that Jack would be heavy in the beginning of the season (as SG-1 supports the launch of Atlantis), used sparingly in the middle of the season, and then we'll have more "Jack" in the last part of the season. Just a different way of allocating RDA's time this year.

Anubis
July 24th, 2004, 10:08 AM
Piggy, I enjoyed reading your post. I can't wait to watch it now! Gets excited!

Ugly Pig
July 24th, 2004, 10:22 AM
Semi-Ascended? He seemed quite ascended to me, passing through walls and stuff.
Ahem! I know twisting and turning anything and everything that is said or shown in the show in every possible way is "what we do" but do we really need to make an issue out of this?

Yes, Anubis is only partially ascended. We know this from previous episodes. It is a fact. End of story.

Anubis
July 24th, 2004, 10:24 AM
I agree with piggy, it's a fact. He ascended didn't make it all the way and got stuck!

sshspooky
July 24th, 2004, 10:30 AM
I agree with piggy, it's a fact. He ascended didn't make it all the way and got stuck!

didn't he ascend all the way then not get booted out properly so was stuck partly ascended?


not having seen this ep, i would say the anubis probably didn't ascend again and was still stuck half ascended, since it was mentioned his human form was all to do with the black cloak/suite he wore.

Ugly Pig
July 24th, 2004, 10:31 AM
didn't he ascend all the way then not get booted out properly so was stuck partly ascended?
Correct.

Mio
July 24th, 2004, 10:42 AM
One question I had. Since Anubis was only partly ascended, how did they know he even HAD his powers anymore?

Ugly Pig
July 24th, 2004, 10:49 AM
One question I had. Since Anubis was only partly ascended, how did they know he even HAD his powers anymore?
My thoughts exactly. We've never seen him using any powers, so who's to say he still has them? For all we know, the only thing that makes him part-ascended could be the fact that he is made up of energy.

TechnoBoY
July 24th, 2004, 11:16 AM
Yey, I'm happy I now know why the new doctor looks so familliar.

Anthro Girl
July 24th, 2004, 11:43 AM
Semi-Ascended? He seemed quite ascended to me, passing through walls and stuff. Why is he black and not white btw?
Black/grey floating thing = universal sci-fi designation for "evil". ;) Don't you know the rules? :D

taupecat
July 24th, 2004, 12:16 PM
Oh, one thing more: I really don't agree with the criticism of Dr. Brightman. ... She needs to warm up and be more lively? "Lockdown" was not the ep for that. She came across as exactly what she needed to be under the circumstances: completely professional.

I don't think she needed to be any more lively or whatever, she just needed a personality... any personality. Happy and bubbly, a mean-ass b*tch, something. She reminded me of those half-asleep goa'ulded people from "Nightwalkers".

More notes...

Why, after Sam zatted Daniel, did it take him so long to radio anybody once he woke up? Was he just getting used to people shooting him and thought nothing more of it?

I knew when Jack was arming the auto-destruct that it was Anubis. Anything else doesn't make sense, since destroying the mountain would've done nothing to a being that can pass through solid objects (nor would it have destroyed the gate, probably). But question... doesn't it take two ranking officers to turn off the auto-destruct? I believe this had been mentioned several times.

Elwe Singollo
July 24th, 2004, 12:16 PM
Heehh, yah, i was about to say that, black=evil, white=good, haha... But not in a racist form that is :cool:

Anthro Girl
July 24th, 2004, 12:42 PM
Heehh, yah, i was about to say that, black=evil, white=good, haha... But not in a racist form that is :cool:
Unless you're talking about Sauron, of course. :D

BTW (and back on topic), I made some lighthearted criticism of the Dr. Brightman character - I said she needed to go dancing, but I believe everyone in the SGC needs more boogie-time. :D It's her first appearance and she (Brightman) is replacing a beloved character's role. They can't just remove one well-developed doctor character and plop another one down in her place. Brightman had ample authority and expertise, which was what she needed for this episode. If it's warranted, I'm sure she'll develop as a character as time goes on.

Ugly Pig
July 24th, 2004, 01:02 PM
If it's warranted, I'm sure she'll develop as a character as time goes on.
Exactly - if it's warranted. I honestly don't think anyone would have a problem with her if they hadn't been used to Janet. Not because people are mad that she's replacing Janet the same way people disliked Jonas for replacing Daniel, but without being used to the Dr. Fraiser character I don't think anyone would have expected Dr. Brightman to be anything more than what she was in this episode: A generic doctor character, needed by the plot. Just because TPTB decided to evolve Janet beyond that doesn't mean they'll do the same thing to this character. Not this late in the game.

Anubis
July 24th, 2004, 01:02 PM
As lmj said for colours, evil races dress in dull colours such as gray and black as other races like the Nox where a creamy white and the Asgard. Well, they don't wear anything, but that's not the point! lol

Bucky
July 24th, 2004, 05:08 PM
We don't know when she was assigned. Even though Janet's been gone for a while her permanent replacement may not have arrived on post until quite recently.

I still think TPTB are smart to let us get to know Dr. Brightman slowly. She may never interact with SG-1 like Janet. Dr. Brightman may be more like the male doctor, Dr. Warner, and we may not see as much of her as we did Janet. Time will tell.



Exactly - if it's warranted. I honestly don't think anyone would have a problem with her if they hadn't been used to Janet. Not because people are mad that she's replacing Janet the same way people disliked Jonas for replacing Daniel, but without being used to the Dr. Fraiser character I don't think anyone would have expected Dr. Brightman to be anything more than what she was in this episode: A generic doctor character, needed by the plot. Just because TPTB decided to evolve Janet beyond that doesn't mean they'll do the same thing to this character. Not this late in the game.

Yes. That's what I think, too. I figured that Alisen Downs played--or was told to play--Dr. Brightman as flat and professional in order to keep her separate from Janet. Yes, it makes us miss Janet more, but I think we supposed to miss her. They killed off the character; and they've already done the "Not Quite Dead" bit a few too many times already. I we can't have Janet Fraiser, then, yes, a "generic doctor" is more to my taste. A new CMO, just brimming with personality would, would have struck me as callous, as if the writers/directors didn't value the character they created.

Bucky

Newbie
July 24th, 2004, 06:13 PM
Oky I liked the ep. We got to know what happened to Anibus. And now he's on the ice planet....but question....can an energy being be frozen in a cold weather, imho, nope...an i wrong? anyway...the new doctor looked russian and her voice was low...that was kinda scare...she looked out of plave to me...but it's all good...because she will never replace Frasier...so i guess i loved the ep :D

MadJaffa
July 24th, 2004, 06:46 PM
KS = Killer Snow

Don't you guys know anything?

Elwe Singollo
July 24th, 2004, 07:04 PM
I don't think the new doctor will ever replace our beloved Dr. Frasier, but i don't think that was the new doctors purpose of the episode anyway, like in previous posts above this one (and in other threads about this subject), maybe they needed a doctor to play a part, anyone really, so yah, thats what i think.

WraithKing
July 24th, 2004, 07:40 PM
Oky I liked the ep. We got to know what happened to Anibus. And now he's on the ice planet....but question....can an energy being be frozen in a cold weather, imho, nope...an i wrong? anyway...the new doctor looked russian and her voice was low...that was kinda scare...she looked out of plave to me...but it's all good...because she will never replace Frasier...so i guess i loved the ep :D

Well, Anubis did survive in the cold of space for several months, I think he can stand a little snow.

Newbie
July 24th, 2004, 07:55 PM
yeah...so what was the point....lol....? i guess we haven't seen the last of him...but hopefully ancients deal with him, soon!

chiefchucky
July 24th, 2004, 09:09 PM
well at the very least anubis can slowly float to some other planet with a stargate and possess an animal then dial the gate although that could take a thousand years but hey if they make another spinoff placed in the future they could do an episode about anubis coming back as a main enemy and go through the 'old' files with flashbacks.

p.s. just think about how pissed anubis would be!

Bobthespirit
July 24th, 2004, 09:50 PM
One thing about this episode..I can't quite decide why I think that Russian did what he did at the end.

I can think of two...

Good reason:

Knew he would die and wanted to save General O'Neall.

Bad reason:

Adrian Conrad's reason.

The good reason seems more likely, and if that is the case, it's a better episode, but I don't know...

Major Tyler
July 24th, 2004, 11:23 PM
Bad reason:
Adrian Conrad's reason...the good reason seems more likely, and if that is the case, it's a better episode, but I don't know...Adrian Conrad's reason was to be healed by the blending with the symbiote. Clearly blending with Anubis had the opposite effect, so we can be sure it wasn't the "bad" reason.

Anubis
July 25th, 2004, 12:09 AM
I'm guessing energy can be frozen. But I'm not sure about what happened to Anubis. Perhaps's he'll freeze perhaps he knows of a way to exit the planet? Interesting question.

Torley
July 25th, 2004, 03:16 AM
Dr. Brightman, I like her voice. I liked the way she enunciated her lines. I'm not going to draw any comparisons to Dr. Frasier because they are different in their own merits and the show has moved on... but I'll miss Janet *sobs* Brightman totally has bewitching, hypnotic eyebrows.

Yes, I too was humming Ghostbusters... thinking they needed a resident Slimer and one of those fancy traps (created with knowledge from the Repository of the Ancients :P) to snag Anubis.

Vaselov looks very much like a certain adult entertainer. I'll go no further as this isn't an appropriate place to mention, but I couldn't help but notice the resemblance. What a sacrifice he made... hey, maybe frozen, he didn't die, but he'll be thawed out later like anti-cryo and they'll make him better and let him join SG-1 for his troubles -- or something ;)

The "KS" planet designation, since it seems deliberate, does seem to be a clue pointing to something interesting.

Anubis is "immaterial" so I think if the walls don't affect him, the cold likely doesn't either. But I don't know for sure.

How do we know the whole planet is chilly and not just the area around the gate? Look at Earth; it's got so many diverse climates and ecosystems. If Anubis heads south I'm sure he can possess a sperm whale and use it to get his way ;)

Anubis
July 25th, 2004, 03:17 AM
I agree with everything you said. The new doctors voice is pretty darn nice!

Elwe Singollo
July 25th, 2004, 08:34 AM
I thought otherwise about the Doctor's 'voice', i don't know, it seemed so dull to me, but if shes going to be the regular doctor, they better make her have a better personality, because yes, i don't want a dull character on a week to week basis, i mean, chevron guy has a personality!

Anubis
July 25th, 2004, 08:40 AM
It took us a while to know Janet, so it will the new one also!

Major Tyler
July 25th, 2004, 08:46 AM
How do we know the whole planet is chilly and not just the area around the gate? Look at Earth; it's got so many diverse climates and ecosystems. If Anubis heads south I'm sure he can possess a sperm whale and use it to get his way ;)Yeah, remember in "Solitudes" when Carter went to the surface of Antarctica and called it an "ice planet." She assumed the entire world was like that from just the gate area. I wonder how far from the gate they scout.

Mio
July 25th, 2004, 08:47 AM
Yeah, remember in "Solitudes" when Carter went to the surface of Antarctica and called it an "ice planet." She assumed the entire world was like that from just the gate area. I wonder how far from the gate they scout.
Did anyone see a DHD?

TameFarrar
July 25th, 2004, 09:47 AM
Overall I really enjoyed this episode. It was a nice change of pace to have EVERY member of the TEAM doing something that was pertinant to the storyline and everytime they were on screen they were doing it.
Instead of having two or three different stories going on at once that continously divided my attention it was nice to have the show continously flow.
I loved the *team* banter yet again, the *Apt Warming* Teal'c asking if he must prepare a meal. My first thought was "What would he cook?" Made me think of Klingon food. The whole three man team/potatoe thing was hilarious.

I wasn't too distracted by the new Dr and I too think that was the plan. Introduce her gradually.
I agree with a lot of points already mentioned so no need to repeat.

Again, I was just enjoying that the whole team was part of the story and every one of them had a part in it, heck even Teal'c had lines every time he was on screen. So for an earth based episode I was pleasently surprised.

Scarym1
July 25th, 2004, 09:53 AM
One thing about this episode..I can't quite decide why I think that Russian did what he did at the end.

I can think of two...

Good reason:

Knew he would die and wanted to save General O'Neall.

Bad reason:

Adrian Conrad's reason.

The good reason seems more likely, and if that is the case, it's a better episode, but I don't know...

I was bothered by what the russian charactar did as well. I was thinking why in the world did he do that. It still bothers me. How did he manage to get from the infirmary to the gateroom without being stopped? Were there no nurses or guards around? Just how far is it from the infirmary to the Gateroom? I wish we could have gotten a sense of what he was thinking. Why did he even think he could do anything to help?

Other then that. I liked this ep. Poor Daniel.:rolleyes:

Major Tyler
July 25th, 2004, 09:59 AM
Why did he even think he could do anything to help?Because he is a Colonel in the Russian Air Force and just as capable as his American counterparts. Plus, he knew he was dying so he really didn't have to worry about getting killed.

Jonas Quinn
July 25th, 2004, 10:04 AM
I was bothered by what the russian charactar did as well. I was thinking why in the world did he do that. It still bothers me. How did he manage to get from the infirmary to the gateroom without being stopped? Were there no nurses or guards around? Just how far is it from the infirmary to the Gateroom? I wish we could have gotten a sense of what he was thinking. Why did he even think he could do anything to help?It's kind of ethnocentric to think that the American personnel can handle the situation, but the decorated Russian Colonel is useless. Who's to say he couldn't come up with a better way to defeat Anubis?

He probably didn't want to sit around and do nothing while he waited for death. When he noticed O'Neill was in danger, he sacrificed himself because he was dying...plain and simple.

Ugly Pig
July 25th, 2004, 12:17 PM
Bad reason:

Adrian Conrad's reason.
He didn't do it for that reason. Conrad did it because he knew a symbiote would heal him, but Anubis is not a goa'uld symbiote anymore. The Russian knew Anubis wouldn't heal him - having been posessed by Anubis is why he was dying in the first place.

Lugal
July 25th, 2004, 06:29 PM
Did anyone see a DHD?

Nope

Mio
July 25th, 2004, 07:30 PM
Nope
There. he's stuck :)

VixyOwl (~~Ani)
July 25th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Exactly - if it's warranted. I honestly don't think anyone would have a problem with her if they hadn't been used to Janet. Not because people are mad that she's replacing Janet the same way people disliked Jonas for replacing Daniel, but without being used to the Dr. Fraiser character I don't think anyone would have expected Dr. Brightman to be anything more than what she was in this episode: A generic doctor character, needed by the plot. Just because TPTB decided to evolve Janet beyond that doesn't mean they'll do the same thing to this character. Not this late in the game.
But if you're an actor, isn't projecting a character ALWAYS warranted? :)

(I *really* don't intend that to be a snarky comment. I can't figure out a better wording, though--please don't take it as an offense! :) )

VixyOwl (~~Ani)
July 25th, 2004, 07:50 PM
Two questions, in addition to those already posted:

1. Why didn't they try tretonin on Vaselov? If they did, why didn't she mention she'd tried it--she gave Daniel and/or O'Neill the rest of his treatment history (in more detail than needed...)

2. What on Earth (or off it) would make us believe that the Ancients would step in if Anubis used his Ancients' powers? They didn't at the end of last season!

Anthro Girl
July 25th, 2004, 07:58 PM
But if you're an actor, isn't projecting a character ALWAYS warranted? :)
Not offended (on Piggy's behalf :) ). I don't understand why people say she had no character in that episode. I disagree with that. I felt she had the right amount of development for what was needed by that character in that episode.

VixyOwl (~~Ani)
July 25th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Fair enough. That's a matter of opinion, so we're golden, there.

Myself, I thought that they introduced 2 new characters, and wrote off the wrong one. As you say, though, she may develop. We can only hope...

LoneStar1836
July 26th, 2004, 01:43 AM
I really enjoyed the episode. It was a good team episode IMO. Good action even for an Earth-based ep. Loved the humor. :D When it turned out to be Anubis, it kind of surprised me, though I guess it shouldn’t have, but I didn’t give any thought as to what the entity was that boarded the International Space Station when I first saw it. From the commercial trailers for the episode, I was expecting Daniel to come back from a mission infected with something. Must say the commercials kind of spoiled it for me because I had already deduced that poor Daniel was going to be shot by Jack and then later zatted by an infected Carter. Just had never figured it would be Anubis that would cause the base to go on alert.

I know this nit pick would have lead to only a 15-minute show, but why did Anubis alert the medical staff to the Russian when he had taken over Daniel? All he had to do was hide the guy in the closet or something, and nobody would have probably missed him at least until Daniel had gone off-world with SG-11, barring that there were no security cameras in the room.

I also though Major Kearney was a little stupid for following “Jack’s” order to set the self-destruct. I know Jack is his superior, but with what was happening, you would think he would be a little more keen on questioning why the self-destruct was going to remedy the problem since Anubis is non-corporeal. Yeah, it would prevent him from using the gate, but they already had a handle on that because all you had to do was zat anybody who attempted to go through the gate.

I know these are random thoughts, but I guess Anubis did not shoot Jack at the end because he figured they might shut down the gate, but if I were he, I would have jumped at the chance to kill the guy who destroyed my empire. Also I guess they were hoping that with the lockdown, Anubis would just eventually get tired of waiting around and risk being found out by the Ancients in order to return to his base otherwise there was no way they were going to be able to physically catch him and get rid of him. So that leads you to wonder how Jack was going to know if Anubis was really gone, because if the Ancients had been alerted to him, I doubt they would have battled it out at the SGC or informed Jack that the problem had been resolved. Even with the fake announcement to lockdown indefinitely, Anubis could have just waited it out until they resumed gate travel. What are a couple of months or years to him?

BTW, the above are just nit picks and not criticisms of the show because I still enjoyed the episode. :D

Didn’t much care for the doctor, but I liked the Russian. Too bad they couldn’t have kept his character, but you knew what was coming there at the end. Overall, it was a quality episode IMO, and I’m hoping next week’s is just as good or better. :)

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 26th, 2004, 05:13 AM
Ack! 150+ posts by the time I got to this thread!

I enjoyed Lockdown. It felt like a good, solid episode with convincing team intertactions. Everybody got to play and nobody seemed to hog the camera. The Russian was GOLDEN, from start to finish! I will miss him. :( He could have been a very sympathetic recurring character. Oh, well, maybe his actions will make life easier on the next bunch of poor Russians sentenced to Jack's authority. "/

Not sure if it's the sound on my squinty-vision version, but Daniel sure seems to talk fast.... I loved his acting throughout, though, and I'm glad to see that different quality to his and Jack's friendship continuing from season seven. Less antagonism, more true buddy stuff. :)

Now Jack has shot each member of his team. :p

Anubis ....

I don't get that he didn't kill his worst enemy; didn't he find out, after blending with Jack, that Jack was personally responsible for blowing him and his army out of the sky? What else might he have learned about the state of Ancient tech on Earth, the Gate addy to the Pegasus galaxy, etc? Was it the Russian who prevented him from killing Jack? Would a host have such control with a guy like Anubis inside him? Or would killing Jack, who has the Ancient gene, bring down the wrath of the thus-far apathetic Ascended?

Did Sam give the addy a "KS" designation??? :S Anybody here know what kind of heavenly body that might refer to? He's obviously not stranded on a planet or moon, or comet or asteroid, or....

I also really, really enjoyed seeing the other members of the SGC playing a more personable role - the security guard who wasn't to keen on Jack's order to activate the self-destruct, for example, but there was an overall feeling of reality to the way the extras were acting. It felt less scripted, know what I mean?

Rock on, season eight! :D

ShadowMaat
July 26th, 2004, 05:44 AM
I'd like to know why Anubis didn't kill people in general. He only "wounded" the airmen he shot, whereas you'd think he'd aim for the head or the heart.

If TPTB were to be asked, my guess is they'd excuse it as "the will of the host" exerting an influence to keep Anubis from actually killing anyone. :rolleyes: Sounds a bit hooey-ish to me, but that's the most "reasonable" excuse I can imagine.

Anubis
July 26th, 2004, 07:02 AM
I agree with Shadow. Anubis should or is more violent than we see here. Why was he being so 'generous' for a change? :D

Major Tyler
July 26th, 2004, 07:34 AM
If TPTB were to be asked, my guess is they'd excuse it as "the will of the host" exerting an influence to keep Anubis from actually killing anyone.I think you're right. Since Anubis had no physical form, he couldn't control people completely on a basic level. Sure he could make them walk and talk and punch people in the face, be when it came down to it, he couldn't make his "host" murder people. That's why Daniel didn't shoot to kill, that's why Anubis only used one shot from a zat, and that's why Vaselev didn't kill General O'Neill.


:rolleyes: Sounds a bit hooey-ish to me, but that's the most "reasonable" excuse I can imagine.Better than Anubis killing Jack...then they might have to replace RDA with Clone Jack...j/k :P.

Anubis
July 26th, 2004, 07:38 AM
I don't want Jack to be replaced by clone! lol

Ugly Pig
July 26th, 2004, 08:02 AM
I'd like to know why Anubis didn't kill people in general. He only "wounded" the airmen he shot, whereas you'd think he'd aim for the head or the heart.
Well, he didn't really have any reason to kill anybody. And as long as he had to keep moving from person to person, maybe he figured he might as well not kill off any potential hosts?

ShadowMaat
July 26th, 2004, 09:02 AM
Well, he didn't really have any reason to kill anybody.
I never saw Nuby as the sympathetic type. "Oh, well this is just some poor guard in the wrong place at the wrong time, so I'll shoot him in the arm so he falls down. Maybe he'll get some workman's comp out of it to help make up for my inconveniencing him." :P

He's tried to destroy the entire planet a couple of times, now, why suddenly balk over a few individuals?

Besides, imagine Daniel's angst, waking up to find out he'd killed a couple of people. That's great character development, that is. ...At least from the perspective of the surviving characters. ;)

Ugly Pig
July 26th, 2004, 10:10 AM
I never saw Nuby as the sympathetic type.
Well then, what about my 'potential host' reasoning? Anubis didn't know how long he'd have to stay there, and posessing people over long periods would kill them. Maybe he was just playing it safe by keeping as many humans around as possible. Also, the more people around the more difficult it becomes for the humans to find out which one he's in.

Or, he's just a horrible shot. The shots of Anubis' POV that we saw where somewhat obscured, maybe his eyesight just isn't that great in his current state. :D

Major Tyler
July 26th, 2004, 11:50 AM
Well then, what about my 'potential host' reasoning?It's a good theory, but I still think Shadow's "host influence" theory is more likely.

Or he could just be a horrible shot, who knows? :p

Manic
July 26th, 2004, 03:09 PM
It doesn't make much sense that he would keep people alive as potential hosts. If I was Anubis, I'd start possessing people as soon as the lockdown was initiated. I'd force all of the SGC personnel to kill eachother until there was only one host left. Then I'd waltz my hosted self through the gate unhendered.

Bobthespirit
July 26th, 2004, 06:23 PM
Well, he was able to make it to the gate room for the same reason Teal'c made it there in A Man Inside. :D

You know, how it seemed Kawalski was strangling him to death and then he just sort of walks off...

As much as I miss Janet, I like it how they are willing to kill characters who seemed to have magic producer protection. I'd sacrifice a character I like in the interest of making it seem like in future plotlines, that other characters I like might die. In too many scifi programs it's like 'Okay, it looks like they're in trouble, but they're obviously all going to get out alive. Next?'

And I like how the Russians are being more incorporated in the show. Maybe this new doctor will turn out to be a cool character. Unfortunately, since this is either the last or penultimate season, she'll get even less chance to win us over than Jonas.

TheWarrior
July 27th, 2004, 12:49 AM
Ok hopefully these questions haven't been answered in earlier posts I would have posted Saturday morning but very busy.

1: The opening scene in space when was that - was it a few days after Anubis was destroyed or after the events of New Order?

The above question has been asked cuz when the Russian Colonel arrives and we later find he went to see the man who was in the space station so their had to be a gap between the events of the space station and the Russian Colonel arriving.


Thats my main question really when did the events take place also how did Teal'c get to the gate room so quickly he has done it before everyone else can not get there but he can and he's armed.

2: Daniel was zatted by Carter but he seemed to not be fully affected by it, has he been zatted so many times he is used to it and was able to fight the charge of the zat. Basically did he do an O'Neill in Exdous and fight off the electrocal charge of the zat blast.

hope they haven't been asked before.

VirtualCLD
July 27th, 2004, 06:21 AM
SPOILERS for Lockdown




1) We did hear Carter say that the opening scene took place several months ago. What that means exactly, I don't know. It could have happened shortly after Anubis's ship was destroyed, or there could have been even more time between TLC and that scene. It was probably shortly after TLC that scene occurred. This would also make sense with the timeline for New Order and Stargate: Atlantis "Rising."

2) I think it was more of the help from Anubis's presense that kept him concious. I would like to know, if he was zatted a second time, would he have died since he wasn't knocked out yet?


EDIT: To avoid double posting, I'll add this:

I would have loved to see the technician played by Pierre Bernard ("The Recliner of Rage" guy) get shot up by posessed Daniel trying to escape through the stargate. For a while, that's what I thought would happen. I saw the first "Late Night" clip of the actual "Recliner of Rage" skit, but I never got to see the clip of the "Late Night" clip where Pierre gets to visit the set of SG-1. I only saw the Lowdown, so I was expecting Daniel to kill Pierre's character. That would have been slightly humerous.

Jack: What's the last thing you remember?
Daniel: I was getting ready for my mission to P3x-242...
Jack: Wait, wasn't that AFTER you shot that technician? I thought Anubis made you do that..
Daniel: Um... yeah, that's right! Anubis made me do that... yeah!

TheWarrior
July 27th, 2004, 07:29 AM
SPOILERS for Lockdown

2) I think it was more of the help from Anubis's presense that kept him concious. I would like to know, if he was zatted a second time, would he have died since he wasn't knocked out yet?


EDIT: To avoid double posting, I'll add this:


But Anubis wasn't in Daniel when Carter zatted him so Anubis's presense couldn't have kept him concious.

Danny-boy
July 27th, 2004, 07:37 AM
I know this has nothing to do with anything people are talking about right now, but i loved when Daniel kept asking "Who shot me?" :D

VirtualCLD
July 27th, 2004, 07:54 AM
But Anubis wasn't in Daniel when Carter zatted him so Anubis's presense couldn't have kept him concious.
OK, I'm confused, I'll have to watch the episode again. I thought you were talking about the scene where Daniel was shooting up the gate room. He was still posessed by Anubis then... If you were talking about when posessed Carter zatted Daniel, I thought he went down pretty quickly with little-to-no hesitation. I could be wrong, which is why I'll have to watch the episode again.

EDIT: And yes, the "Who shot me?" sequence was classic! :)

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 27th, 2004, 04:11 PM
Did Sam give the addy a "KS" designation??? :S Anybody here know what kind of heavenly body that might refer to? He's obviously not stranded on a planet or moon, or comet or asteroid, or....



Why, yes, TH, Sam did give that addy a KS designation. ;)

I Googled dictionary of astronimical terms(gotta love google!) and the best I could come up with was Kelvin:

(after Lord Kelvin, 1824 - 1907) The Kelvin temperature scale measures an object's temperature above absolute zero, the theoretical coldest possible temperature.

So I figure that maybe Daniel's finally getting to them, and they're sorta, kinda, giving Gate destinations names instead of just numbers(season 1, Broca Divide). But, Sam being Sam, she'd give the names of Earth's top scientists to the places she gets to name. And, hey, the place was chilly. :p

Of course, my theory stalls at "S." I have no idea how to explain "S."

:D

chiefchucky
July 27th, 2004, 06:41 PM
Why, yes, TH, Sam did give that addy a KS designation. ;)

I Googled dictionary of astronimical terms(gotta love google!) and the best I could come up with was Kelvin:

(after Lord Kelvin, 1824 - 1907) The Kelvin temperature scale measures an object's temperature above absolute zero, the theoretical coldest possible temperature.

So I figure that maybe Daniel's finally getting to them, and they're sorta, kinda, giving Gate destinations names instead of just numbers(season 1, Broca Divide). But, Sam being Sam, she'd give the names of Earth's top scientists to the places she gets to name. And, hey, the place was chilly. :p

Of course, my theory stalls at "S." I have no idea how to explain "S."

:D
system maybe?

Andy867
July 27th, 2004, 08:02 PM
well, you figure that for the past 7 seasons, they have been giving planets their names through a binary system, like P4X-639 (good episode planet), so why not a KS-797 or whatever?

greytop
July 28th, 2004, 05:51 AM
Since Camulus was granted asylum in New Order, how come he wasn't mentioned in Lockdown? Had he been moved off base before now?

And why wasn't Teal'c taken over? He doesn't have a symbiote anymore.

Elwe Singollo
July 28th, 2004, 05:57 AM
Since Camulus was granted asylum in New Order, how come he wasn't mentioned in Lockdown? Had he been moved off base before now?

And why wasn't Teal'c taken over? He doesn't have a symbiote anymore.I think they didn't mention Camulus because he wasn't important i guess, but i don't think they would move him out of the SGC just yet, but i guess a little mention should have happened :eek:

I guess Anubis doesn't like Jaffa bodies :D But yah, me was wondering the same thing.

Andy867
July 28th, 2004, 06:02 AM
my guess is that Anubis figured that joining with Teal'c wouldnt have made much difference whereas getting into Daniel, O'Neill or Carter would have proved more useful, or perhaps the "goa'uld" in anubis resented Teal'c and would rather posses a human than a shol'va.

Its possible that Steve Bacic wasnt available for shooting that episode, which would explain why he was never mentioned or shown, which in turn could be written off by the writers saying that he had been transported somewhere off base for interrogation (and to keep him away from the stargate)

Anubis
July 28th, 2004, 06:23 AM
Andy, you might be correct. I'm sure Anubis didn't even think about Teal'c unless he didn't have any other choice. But he chose who he did for a reason!

Andy867
July 28th, 2004, 07:23 AM
Its also possible that since Teal'c did have a symbiote at one point, and since his genetic make-up originally required a symbiote, he might have been immune to Anubis. Or Anubis didnt even know that Teal'c didn't possess a symbiote (since he didnt want to risk using his powers even to check teal'c out, since it would have revealed himself to the Ancients)

Anubis
July 28th, 2004, 07:24 AM
Maybe the trotenian makes them immune to another symbiote. Now there's a question!

greytop
July 28th, 2004, 10:03 AM
How did DJ know that Anubis was in him? Was it because he had been ascended once and knew when someone that had been ascended, like Anubis that could go from one person to another.

Ugly Pig
July 28th, 2004, 11:28 AM
Maybe the trotenian makes them immune to another symbiote. Now there's a question!
Ah, but Anubis is no longer a Goa'uld symbiote. The normal rules don't apply! :D

Andy867
July 28th, 2004, 11:40 AM
but if you remember, Daniel Jackson said that the Goa'uld in anubis had ascended, so essentially it was still the goa'uld symbiote, just in a pure-energy form, so its plausible that since Teal'c had a symbiote of his own, plus he is using the immune system of a Tok'Ra symbiote (Tretonin), it might not be possible for anubis to join with Teal'c.

Ugly Pig
July 28th, 2004, 11:46 AM
Yes, but my point it that since Anubis is a half-ascended blob of energy, him taking over human hosts probably doesn't affect them the same way as a physical takeover by a normal Goa'uld would.

Of, course, this is just speculation. :)

Anubis
July 28th, 2004, 11:49 AM
Ah, but Anubis is no longer a Goa'uld symbiote. The normal rules don't apply! :D


lol I guess you're right *grins* :D

Elwe Singollo
July 28th, 2004, 01:27 PM
Was Anubis a Goa'uld symbiote ever since his first appearance on the show?

Andy867
July 28th, 2004, 01:28 PM
But if you remember, both Vaselov and Daniel described themselves as being simply observers in their own body, which is what a symbiote does, especially a goa'uld. And the fact that Vaselov's immune system was failing would also show that a symbiote's genetic make-up was also present, since a symbiote replaces a host's own immune system.

Elwe Singollo
July 28th, 2004, 01:41 PM
But while Anubis was in Vaselov's body, he didn't really replace his immune system, he was damaging it, but i guess i can't be sure of anything anymore since the last thing we see of him is on the freezing planet.

Nolamom
July 28th, 2004, 07:19 PM
Because Anubis isn't an actual symbiote, per se, but rather an ascended being, he woudn't necessarily have the capability of replacing the host's immune system. He may *suppress* it, leading to all sorts of acquired immune deficiencies...

Andy867
July 28th, 2004, 10:17 PM
Well, maybe not replace, but I agree that like tretonin, the symbiote/larval goa'uld does suppress the host's own immune system, but my guess is that it would take time to suppress it, which Anubis had while in Vaselov.

Having been ascended and finding out about what Anubis really was, he might have remembered what kind of energy Anubis gave off when Daniel confronted him in Full Circle (when Anubis exposed himself to Daniel), and when Anubis possessed him and Daniel felt the energy, and later recollected it, he knew it was Anubis.

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 29th, 2004, 06:47 AM
But if you remember, both Vaselov and Daniel described themselves as being simply observers in their own body, which is what a symbiote does, especially a goa'uld. And the fact that Vaselov's immune system was failing would also show that a symbiote's genetic make-up was also present, since a symbiote replaces a host's own immune system.

Would an energy-based creature have genes?

I know, I know: so why is the immune system the first to go? I haven't a clue.

I don't think Anubis is a Goa'uld, since his forced descension, but I do think that he still thinks like a Goa'uld, and thus, uses hosts the way he's always used them.

Maybe he'd been out of a physical body for such a long time that he couldn't remember how to keep control. Is blending like riding a bike? :p

Anubis
July 29th, 2004, 06:52 AM
lol Riding a bike is quite a good example. You may be correct. He might not be a Gou'ald at all. Perhaps he was a ordinary person who wanted to be as evil as the Gou'ald, and figured out how to ascend and become this very evil system lord! :D

VixyOwl (~~Ani)
July 29th, 2004, 07:21 AM
Because Anubis isn't an actual symbiote, per se, but rather an ascended being, he woudn't necessarily have the capability of replacing the host's immune system. He may *suppress* it, leading to all sorts of acquired immune deficiencies...
Yes. If only Earth had a viable drug to replace immune systems decimated by a Goa'uld...

Wait a minute?!?!?

VirtualCLD
July 29th, 2004, 07:30 AM
But Anubis's presence was more of an infection, the immune system was working to fight the infection, but losing badly. Even the "miracle" drug/cure would probably not have worked. There are limits to our immune system as well as the drug. Even a symbiote/parasite can't heal everything.

VixyOwl (~~Ani)
July 29th, 2004, 07:40 AM
My point is: they didn't try tretonin.

TRETONIN! Hello... worth a try, no?

ShadowMaat
July 29th, 2004, 07:45 AM
I thought the same thing. A larval symbiote replaces the immune system and the tretonin replaces the larva, so... Worth a shot, desperate thing tho it may be. If he's gonna die anyway, right?

VixyOwl (~~Ani)
July 29th, 2004, 07:52 AM
Yes. I mean, the bottom line is that writers wanted him to be dying.

Why, I don't know. If he'd been healthy, he would have made an even more noble sacrifice--actually, they probably wanted him to be dying so that the SGC folks don't feel the need to go after him to try to save him.

Anyway, they wanted him to be dying, so anything they *would* have tried wouldn't have worked. But what they actually *chose* to have killing him was something that the show has dealt with at least twice a season, ie immune system disorder. So they had a lot of things to try.

It's a minor point, but it just seems sloppy. And those minor, sloppy points add up.

If they didn't want to take the time to say, "We can't contact the Tok'ra, we've tried the healing device, and we've tried tretonin--and they didn't work. Now we're trying the drug cocktail used to treat HIV, but I don't have much hope" then they'd have done better to say "we don't have any idea what's going on, but he's dying."

Andy867
July 29th, 2004, 08:07 AM
It is possible the tretonin wouldnt have worked since it didnt work on the one female Jaffa in Birthright. So, like a symbiote, tretonin might only have a 50/50 chance of working in an individual. But I agree with the notion that in order to prevent people from "liking" Vaselov, the writers "wrote" him off quickly by having him go to an Ice planet.

VixyOwl (~~Ani)
July 29th, 2004, 08:15 AM
Well, that's a slightly different point. And one I hadn't thought of.

I wasn't thinking that they wanted Vaselov to be unlikable. Actually, having someone dying usually makes them *more* likable to me (even Apophis...) But it does mean "Hey! Don't get attached; we're killing this one off."

But I was thinking that as long as Vaselov's a goner anyway, no rescue attempts would be necessary.

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 29th, 2004, 10:12 AM
Vasselov knew that his situation was hopeless, and he also knew that Anubis would be in big trouble with the Ancients as soon as he tried someting Ancient-y(at least that's what we're supposed to believe, now. :rolleyes: ).

I see what Vasselov did as 1) saving O'Neill, the base and humanity, and 2) forcing Nuby into a position where he'd soon be forced to do something illegal in Ancientland, seeing as Vasselov wouldn't be around long on planet Kelvin.

VirtualCLD
July 29th, 2004, 10:45 AM
I don't think Vasselov knew where he was going, I just think that he wanted to save O'Neill since Vasselov knew he was going to ie anyway.

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 29th, 2004, 11:11 AM
I don't think Vasselov knew where he was going, I just think that he wanted to save O'Neill since Vasselov knew he was going to ie anyway.

No, I agree, he must have been as surprised by the ambiance as ol' Nuby.

VirtualCLD
July 29th, 2004, 11:20 AM
Hmmm.... If Vasselov did know, would Anubis have been able to find that out my "scanning" his mind?

DownFallAngel
July 29th, 2004, 11:22 AM
Ummm, I would guess so. But then again, we don't know if Anubis knew that the DHD was covered under ice and snow. He could have just said F-it, and then walked through hoping to gate to another world. If he needed to, he would have gated and then allowed the Kawoosh to destroy the russian, allowing anubis to escape from the body and enter the SG.

Elwe Singollo
July 29th, 2004, 11:26 AM
Well i guess Anubis isn't as gone as Apophis is then :rolleyes:

kitty_cat31
July 29th, 2004, 11:38 AM
Did anyone notice that Daniel Jackson was wearing three patches on his uniform when he was leaving to go off-world in this episode, right before he started shooting guards? The first two were of course the pyramid and the SG1 patch, but just below the SG1 patch there was a third triangler looking one. Does anyone know what the new patch means?

Major Tyler
July 29th, 2004, 12:33 PM
Did anyone notice that Daniel Jackson was wearing three patches on his uniform when he was leaving to go off-world in this episode, right before he started shooting guards? The first two were of course the pyramid and the SG1 patch, but just below the SG1 patch there was a third triangler looking one. Does anyone know what the new patch means? It was the USAF insignia patch.

http://www-rucker.army.mil/6weather/usaf.gif

Andy867
July 29th, 2004, 01:03 PM
Ummm, I would guess so. But then again, we don't know if Anubis knew that the DHD was covered under ice and snow. He could have just said F-it, and then walked through hoping to gate to another world. If he needed to, he would have gated and then allowed the Kawoosh to destroy the russian, allowing anubis to escape from the body and enter the SG.

If you remember what carter said, she had changed the dialing coordinates after Anubis had entered them, so there was no way for Vaselov or Anubis to know about the change in destination. And I doubt even Anubis as energy could last in the Kawoosh since it lets off ENORMOUS amount of energy, and seeing as how he would be trapped in the body when it would be destroyed, its possible that he also might come to NOT exist.

Elwe Singollo
July 29th, 2004, 01:50 PM
Goodbye Anubis :( One Q, did it explain if Anubis' needed a body to survive when without his cloak?

Andy867
July 29th, 2004, 02:16 PM
Without some kind of shield, Anubis wouldnt be able to physically interact with our world since he is just an immaterial, energy lifeform. Which means that if he cant have a shield/body to project his image, the association of Anubis and his reputation of being beyond ruthless would die.

Elwe Singollo
July 29th, 2004, 03:00 PM
Once again, poor Anubis, maybe he can possess an animal in the area, or can he only go into human-like hosts.

Andy867
July 29th, 2004, 07:39 PM
Well, from what we have seen in The Tomb, the goa'uld can go into most animals and creatures, though that merc Aris Boch seemed to have something in his DNA or some gene that rejects the symbiote. Though as it has been debated endlessly since Lockdown, since Anubis isnt a symbiote physically, he may be able to possess ANY lifeform, cept possibly any Jaffa still having a symbiote for just the matter that the symbiote would fight off anubis' possession of the host.

JMallozzi
July 29th, 2004, 08:08 PM
At that point, Carter had overridden the original dialing sequence and input a new destination. At that point, she was able to control where Anubis ended up and sending him to that frozen wasteland was their best option.

JMallozzi
July 29th, 2004, 08:10 PM
Anubis doesn't require a body to go through the gate. However, by the time he was found out (in Daniel), he never got another opportunity. Also, he would have needed a host body to dial the gate in the first place.

ShadowMaat
July 29th, 2004, 08:15 PM
Anubis doesn't require a body to go through the gate. However, by the time he was found out (in Daniel), he never got another opportunity. Also, he would have needed a host body to dial the gate in the first place.
So what was the point of the confrontation in the gateroom? Why risk staying in ANY physical body and risk someone coming along and shooting/zatting you? And why accept the Russian's offer? SGC folk are gonna be less likely to shoot Jack than some random Russian dude. And if Anubis thinks he's going back to his secret base or whatever, then he should feel safe enough there to not need a body. Or so I would think...

JMallozzi
July 29th, 2004, 08:16 PM
Re: the mashed consistency of Russets vs. Yukon Golds. Its true. We found out the hard way last Christmas when my sister made mash that had the consistency of glue.

JMallozzi
July 29th, 2004, 08:18 PM
Re: the Ancient rules.

Anubis could fly around all he want. However, if he uses his powers as an ascended being (as Daniel was about to at the end of Full Circle before he was snatched), then that would sound the alarm.

JMallozzi
July 29th, 2004, 08:24 PM
"So what was the point of the confrontation in the gateroom? Why risk staying in ANY physical body and risk someone coming along and shooting/zatting you?"

- At that point, Anubis assumed he was going to get away scot free and, given the choice, better to leave through the stargate in someone's body and then ditch it when you're offworld than actually float through the gate and let everyone know you survived the attack that destroyed your fleet.

"And why accept the Russian's offer? SGC folk are gonna be less likely to shoot Jack than some random Russian dude."

The SGC folk, maybe - however, it was the Russian who had the gun out and he appeared more than willing to shoot Jack.

" nd if Anubis thinks he's going back to his secret base or whatever, then he should feel safe enough there to not need a body. Or so I would think..."

True but, again, he would need some sort of vessel (ie. a human host) to interact with this material plane.

ShadowMaat
July 29th, 2004, 08:36 PM
Good points. And I suppose after all this time, even his most loyal followers would have deserted his base. Hmm...

So can you tell us if Anubis really did allow himself to freeze to death? Or is he just sleeping? ;)

aAnubiSs
July 29th, 2004, 08:39 PM
Might already have been answered, but I'll ask anyway.

Did anubis gain access to the persons knowledge? Atlantis address for example.

DJFavorite
July 29th, 2004, 08:58 PM
Overall, I thought the episode was a good one.

Someone pointed out that they didn't see a DHD on the planet they sent Anubis. Well, if you remember that the DHD doesn't have to be in close proximity to the gate to work. So there is the possibility that Aunbis escapes the planet.


Also, anyone notice that they didn't need to answer Daniel's question about "Who shot me?" because by the end of the episode all three of them did. Teal'c and Sam zatted him but only Jack fired a bullet at him. So techincally they all three shot him. (My poor Daniel, :( .)

ShadowMaat
July 29th, 2004, 09:02 PM
The DHD could also be buried under a snowdrift.

Vasselov (however you spell it) was, what, at least chest deep, wasn't he? And the DHD is more waist height. Depending on the tallness of the individual. Vassy was kinda tall, wasn't he?

Of course, to me, EVERYONE is tall...

TameFarrar
July 29th, 2004, 09:18 PM
Re: the Ancient rules.

Anubis could fly around all he want. However, if he uses his powers as an ascended being (as Daniel was about to at the end of Full Circle before he was snatched), then that would sound the alarm.
Will the fact that the Ancients are even allowing Anubis the freedom to reek havoc all over the universe ever be addressed? They seem to be willing to step in and STOP Daniel but they won't stop Anubis. That seems very one sided.

Tame

Anthro Girl
July 29th, 2004, 11:54 PM
So can you tell us if Anubis really did allow himself to freeze to death? Or is he just sleeping? ;)
BOOM! And Joe falls silent... ;)

I don't think Vaselov (sp?) was chest deep. I'd have to get up to go figure it out for sure, but I think he was kneeling and his legs were almost covered.

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2004, 03:19 AM
Well, he was partially covered, anyway. And the snow could still have drifted over the DHD. Or it could have been out of frame.

If there was no DHD, you may as well ask why there was no MALP, either, since the SGC would have bad no way of retrieving it. :P

KorbenDirewolf
July 30th, 2004, 06:07 AM
Will the fact that the Ancients are even allowing Anubis the freedom to reek havoc all over the universe ever be addressed? They seem to be willing to step in and STOP Daniel but they won't stop Anubis. That seems very one sided.

Tame

Simple. the Ancients would step in if he'd attempted to use his powers to cause trouble. But since he choose to do it the old-fashioned interacting-with-the-material-plane way the Others couldn't interfere with Anubis. They only interfered with Daniel because he was using the powers...

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 30th, 2004, 07:13 AM
So Joe....

KS?

:)

Andy867
July 30th, 2004, 07:19 AM
Simple. the Ancients would step in if he'd attempted to use his powers to cause trouble. But since he choose to do it the old-fashioned interacting-with-the-material-plane way the Others couldn't interfere with Anubis. They only interfered with Daniel because he was using the powers...

Well, technically using the knowledge of the Ancient themselves that he learned when was temporarily ascended should be considered using the powers because if he hadn't ascended and learned the technological secrets, then the System Lords would have used Anubis to wipe their Ha'Taks with, but due to his knowledge of previously-unknown ancient technologies, he was able to make a quick rise to power.

With Daniel, they had use Jack and the Ancient repository, which is why the Ancients couldnt interfere then. My big question is if the SGC will find some way of communicating with the "Others" to find out how to deal with Anubis since apparently his immaterial form cant be simply destroyed.

VirtualCLD
July 30th, 2004, 07:22 AM
Yeah, I have a gripe about that. Why is it the Ancients wouldn't let Daniel descend with the knowledge he gained while ascended, but they allow Anubis to retain his knowledge?

Andy867
July 30th, 2004, 07:31 AM
My guess is that since they weren't able to make Anubis completely leave the ascended form, he would have retained some knowledge, but not nearly enough to be able to repair any knowledge or technological things he finds.

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 30th, 2004, 07:50 AM
Yeah, I have a gripe about that. Why is it the Ancients wouldn't let Daniel descend with the knowledge he gained while ascended, but they allow Anubis to retain his knowledge?

My theory:

With Nuby I don't think it's a question of "letting" so much as Nuby outwitting the Ascended. We are finding out more, in Atlantis, about just how the Ancients ascended. Not to spoil it for anyone, but let's just say that the old adage, "there's more than one way to skin a cat" comes to mind. :)

Nuby probably got kicked out for the same reason Daniel did: fooling around with the material world, but Nuby was in a better position to protect himself against the descension process.

Daniel was ascended by a frowned-upon cult leader who was treading veeery carefully just on the line of what the Ancients would tolerate. Since Daniel got to ascend without having to "read the manual" as Nuby (and, erm, others)had had to do, then when he got kicked out I figure he wouldn't have had a clue about how to keep his Ascended memories/abilities, either.

marimba26
July 30th, 2004, 08:17 AM
We know that time-wise it has already been at LEAST a few months- likely more. She should have an established personality (within the context of the story) by now.

As for "asserting" one's self... Jonas did a pretty good job of establishing himself right off the bat and it would seem to me that if you want a character to be "accepted" then you should try and at least throw viewers a bone- something they can latch onto and say, "Hey, that's pretty cool of him/her." I'm not saying it should be shoved down our throats (which seems to be the usual tactic), but just a little something might be nice... something that can be built upon later.

Okay, I *know* I'm way behind here but...

I agree with you.

Shadow, you okay? Do I need to get the smelling salts?

Yes, it's true, I agree with you. She should have an established personality, Jonas did and I liked him for it. Janet seemed established when she came on the scene in Broca. Her spark of personality came right through immediately.

As for the new doctor, well it remains to be seen. I know she had big shoes to fill but I wish they had given her a *little* more personality (okay, I would have settled for *any* personality). And the hair and makeup, well, I'm not going there. She seems to be a very pretty woman from her pics, it's like they uglied her up on purpose, oy!

Andy867
July 30th, 2004, 08:30 AM
The thing with Jonas is that he felt responsible for what happened to Daniel Jackson and he felt obligated for going above and beyond normal procedures and socializing in order to make feel some self-worth after what he felt should have been him on the death bed and not Dr Jackson.

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2004, 09:00 AM
The point is, he had SOMETHING, even in Meridian, before the accident. And Janet had "something" too from the first moment we met her. Heck, even Luke managed to get in a sneer in his 30 seconds of fame. There have been other characters from whom we have seen flashes of individuality, no matter how small their actual role- that little Jaffa kid who karate kicked someone in that one ep stands out, too, and the poor bugger who kept smacking Teal'c with the door in WOO, but from Dr. Brightman, who has the potential to be fairly important (or at least has the potential to speak more than three lines) we get nothing. Or I got nothing from her, anyway.

From what little I've seen of Alisen in other places, I get the impression she likes to go for understatement, but she usually manages to get in a couple of quirks in the process. I just wish there'd been a little more to Brightman than what we got. She isn't just a doctor, she's THE Doctor and I'd like to be able to look forward to seeing her again.

marimba26
July 30th, 2004, 09:02 AM
The thing with Jonas is that he felt responsible for what happened to Daniel Jackson and he felt obligated for going above and beyond normal procedures and socializing in order to make feel some self-worth after what he felt should have been him on the death bed and not Dr Jackson.

Yes, you're right here. What I'm mainly talking about is personality quirks--like the weather channel bit (that STILL cracks me up) or the uniform bit. Having recently rewatched Redemption, I remembered how much I really liked him from day 1. No doubt I was upset that Daniel died, just as I'm upset that Janet died but I have always liked Jonas (and I REALLY miss him), I thought he was a good sport and made a good addition to the show. I was really disapointed when they didn't keep them both in S7 but that is another thread...

Anyway, back to the personality quirks. Jonas's quirks came through almost instantly, as did Janet's in Broca. Just thought that the new doctor was a bit flat is all--still willing to give her a chance to improve and hopefully she will. :D

TameFarrar
July 30th, 2004, 09:07 AM
Simple. the Ancients would step in if he'd attempted to use his powers to cause trouble. But since he choose to do it the old-fashioned interacting-with-the-material-plane way the Others couldn't interfere with Anubis. They only interfered with Daniel because he was using the powers...
So the entire time, prior the demise of Abydos Anubis *never* used his powers?? The destruction of Abydos, wasn't that a weapon of the Ancients that Anubis used? So wouldn't that in fact have been using his superior abilities to an unfair advantage? I know, actually a moot point now.
I just think that particular aspect really hasn't been explained all that well.

Shipperahoy
July 30th, 2004, 09:09 AM
Well it was Dr. Brightman's first episode and she does have some rather large shoes to fill (actually they're probably very little shoes given Teryl's size, but you know what I mean). She did seem a little bland but I also think my opinion of the character is colored by the fact that she's replacing a beloved character who was around for seven seasons.

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2004, 09:12 AM
Now see, I liked Fraiser, but I wouldn't say she had a big impact on me and while her death was sad, I didn't find it traumatic. And when Jonas was brought in to "fill the gap", well... I sure didn't hold it against him. ;) I loved him for being himself.

marimba26
July 30th, 2004, 09:13 AM
Now that I've read the thread, I just thought I'd put in my two cents for what it's worth... :D

Overall, I liked the ep in general--

Good use of RDA's time--got sick of the way he would just come in to snark, then leave in S7. Don't mind less screen time as long as it moves the plot. So far, so good this season.

Loved the "Who Shot Me?" bit, the eye thing had me ROFL!

As I've already said, I thought the doc was flat. And you're absolutely right, Shadow--she is the CMO, FCOL!!!! I think even McKenzie was more enchanting, just MHO. Not to say that she was bad--just a bit boring (even the hubs thought she was boring). I'm all for easing her in or whatever but how about an expression on her face? I guess she was going for "grave concern" but it fell a bit flat. Maybe she'll get better...

I was spoiled but I liked that it was Nuby. Cool Twist.

Don't agree that it was fast, I liked it timing-wise. I thought it was paced appropriately.

EXTREMELY glad to see "kick-butt" Sam back--I MISSED her!!!!!! Liked seeing the guys get whumped (gotta love that) but I'll save my opinions on that for the drooling threads...

Anyway, overall a good ep in general--REALLY looking forward to the return of Ba'al tonight!! Can't wait to see how Jack reacts!!!

Andy867
July 30th, 2004, 09:15 AM
So the entire time, prior the demise of Abydos Anubis *never* used his powers?? The destruction of Abydos, wasn't that a weapon of the Ancients that Anubis used? So wouldn't that in fact have been using his superior abilities to an unfair advantage? I know, actually a moot point now.
I just think that particular aspect really hasn't been explained all that well.

Actually, if you remember, Anubis had used just the knowledge of the Ancients to develop the weapon, but in order to keep the Others away, he devised a way to use the "Eyes" of the major players of the System Lords to power the weapon. It seems like he can use the knowledge, he just cant throw lightning, etc.

Well if you remember Dr Weir from TLC, bit griped about her in Part 1 and how she seemed so one-dimensional, but after some time, people were wanting Jessica Steen back instead of Torri Higginson. So for Brightman, just give her time and see what develops.

TameFarrar
July 30th, 2004, 09:21 AM
Well it was Dr. Brightman's first episode and she does have some rather large shoes to fill (actually they're probably very little shoes given Teryl's size, but you know what I mean). She did seem a little bland but I also think my opinion of the character is colored by the fact that she's replacing a beloved character who was around for seven seasons.
:) the fact that she is "replacing" a character is why I was so happy she didn't pull my eye. I now know she is there, but nothing really grabbed me and that was ok. I too liked Janet, but I wasn't tramatized by her death.
The overall episode was very emotional for me, but the loss of Janet would have been trivialized to me if the new Dr would have come into the scene big and flashy.

I was already a bit annoyed that there WAS a new FEMALE Dr. my thought was if you needed a Female you should have kept what you already had. Teryl is a fabulous actress. ut I too thought that Jonas could have been worked into the SGC as well.

Anyway I go off an tangents :) Since she came into the scene quietly I can get used to her. So the next time she is on-screen and I won't resent the fact that she is replacing an actress I enjoyed and I can just enjoy the new character she is bringing

marimba26
July 30th, 2004, 09:22 AM
Now see, I liked Fraiser, but I wouldn't say she had a big impact on me and while her death was sad, I didn't find it traumatic. And when Jonas was brought in to "fill the gap", well... I sure didn't hold it against him. ;) I loved him for being himself.

Well, that is the point, after all--he WAS himself! Quirks and all from day one. As was Frasier IMHO. And several other characters. Chevron Guy, for instance. He never says much but I like him. He doesn't say much other than "Chevron 1..." but when he has lines, it feels natural.

BTW--if you read this thread again JM, PLEASE offer my sincere thanks to whoever gave Chevron Guy lines in NO! (Though I suspect it was you and PM :D)

Ugly Pig
July 30th, 2004, 09:29 AM
Well, he was partially covered, anyway.
Not really. He was just kind of sitting there in the snow, appearantly frozen stiff. He'd only been there for a few seconds, though, so I think he'll get covered up nicely soon enough. :D

marimba26
July 30th, 2004, 09:35 AM
Well if you remember Dr Weir from TLC, bit griped about her in Part 1 and how she seemed so one-dimensional, but after some time, people were wanting Jessica Steen back instead of Torri Higginson. So for Brightman, just give her time and see what develops.

I actually liked Dr. Weir from the get-go. Her first interaction with Daniel (the phone thing) was cute. Wasn't keen on Tori in the beginning but the personality quirks of the character were there from the very first and that's what I'm getting at, I think.

Nothing wrong with the actress (though the hair and makeup were a bit school-marm-ish), I'm sure she's plenty talented or they wouldn't have hired her.

Just saying that I didn't think the *character* gelled that well. As I have said now several times, maybe she'll improve. I'm hoping she will. My first impression however, is that the character was a bit too crisp and formal--rather starched. In Broca (and I really don't like to keep drawing comparisons to Janet here because I have never expected her to be Janet), Janet was serious and professional but not as formal and stiff. Jonas, despite the awful outfit in Meridian, had a personality as well.

Quite frankly, she's not going to fill Teryl's shoes but I don't think any one expects that of her--it wouldn't be realistic. I'm not pining away for Janet (though I did like her and I do miss her). I understood the reasons for killing her--drama and all. I'm just saying that, if I am to like this character, I want her to be more in keeping with the rest of the SGC (a *not* so formal group) or at least make her an obvious "fish out of water" so I can enjoy watching her character develop along those lines.

Now that you've had your chapter of "War and Peace" for the day, I'll shut up :D

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 30th, 2004, 09:54 AM
So the entire time, prior the demise of Abydos Anubis *never* used his powers?? The destruction of Abydos, wasn't that a weapon of the Ancients that Anubis used? So wouldn't that in fact have been using his superior abilities to an unfair advantage? I know, actually a moot point now.
I just think that particular aspect really hasn't been explained all that well.


Um... bit of confusion, here. All Ancients may be Ascended, but not all Ascended are Ancients. ie: Daniel, Anubis, and Jaffa(strongly hinted at in MI).

Nuby can use Ancient tech all he wants, fool around with it, make alterations, destroy whole planets with it, etc, and the Ascended wouldn't even give a sign that they'd noticed. But just let him use Ascended power in the realm of mortals and that (apparently) will get their attention.

I think.... :S

Anthro Girl
July 30th, 2004, 09:57 AM
If there was no DHD, you may as well ask why there was no MALP, either, since the SGC would have bad no way of retrieving it. :P
Yes, but they obviously knew the planet was "chilly". ;) Hmmm....

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 30th, 2004, 10:06 AM
Yes, but they obviously knew the planet was "chilly". ;) Hmmm....

There may well be a MALP under all that snow.... :p

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2004, 12:23 PM
There may well be a MALP under all that snow.... :p
*lobs snowballs at TH* :P

I also wasn't paying much attention to angles and distances, but is there any chance the DHD simply wasn't in frame? Or did they pan in from a noticeable distance?

Major Tyler
July 30th, 2004, 12:28 PM
I also wasn't paying much attention to angles and distances, but is there any chance the DHD simply wasn't in frame? Or did they pan in from a noticeable distance?The MALP may have being driving around to survey the area, and got frozen some distance from the gate. But the most likely answer is that anything we did not see was not in the frame...for whatever reason.

Ugly Pig
July 30th, 2004, 01:41 PM
I also wasn't paying much attention to angles and distances, but is there any chance the DHD simply wasn't in frame?
The camera was initially close in on the guy's face, then pulled back. The DHD could very well be out of frame.

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 30th, 2004, 02:01 PM
[QUOTE=ShadowMaat]*lobs snowballs at TH* :P
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TH starts to build snow fort for defense against SM's onslaught. What's this? A metalic arm.... Digs deeper. It's the MALP! TH sets MALP to snowball throwing mode. MALP buries SM....:D

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2004, 02:07 PM
Ha! David will come to my resc- um... OK, bad example... My hot temper will melt the snow? :D

I'm kinda surprised by the DHD controversy. It never even crossed my mind to wonder about it because I figured it was just out of frame. And it could still be covered by snow. :P

And I still want to know what happened to Anubis. No way I'm buying that as his ultimate end.

Anthro Girl
July 30th, 2004, 02:20 PM
I'm kinda surprised by the DHD controversy. It never even crossed my mind to wonder about it because I figured it was just out of frame. And it could still be covered by snow. :P
<queue sinister music...> Do we know? Will we ever know? Only the Shadow knows... :D

no no...not that Shadow, silly. :p

Ugly Pig
July 30th, 2004, 02:20 PM
And I still want to know what happened to Anubis. No way I'm buying that as his ultimate end.
As long as they don't show us that he is positively dead, I think it is reasonably safe to assume he'll be back at some point...

JMallozzi
July 30th, 2004, 03:16 PM
"Will the fact that the Ancients are even allowing Anubis the freedom to reek havoc all over the universe ever be addressed? They seem to be willing to step in and STOP Daniel but they won't stop Anubis. That seems very one sided."

Daniel was using his powers as an ascended being (ie. that tell-tale swirl of energy that left his hands) in trying to stop Anubis in Lost City. Anubis possesses knowledge he has retained form his time as an ascended being, but he has yet to actually use his "super cosmic powers" to effect change in this galaxy.

Anthro Girl
July 30th, 2004, 03:29 PM
Anubis possesses knowledge he has retained form his time as an ascended being, but he has yet to actually use his "super cosmic powers" to effect change in this galaxy.
Thanks, Joe! That's what I thought. :D

"Super cosmic powers"...the technical term. I like it! :)

TameFarrar
July 30th, 2004, 05:27 PM
Thanks, Joe! That's what I thought. :D

"Super cosmic powers"...the technical term. I like it! :)
I am going to have to agree with you here :D I like that phrase as well

Let's just hope Daniel starts to remember SOMETHING as well. That would make things a bit more interesting!!!

Andy867
July 30th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Somehow I get the feeling that as a mortal, material being, Daniel won't be able to use the powers he possessed while he was ascended because if you remember Orlin, he said that things like controlling the forces of nature was easy, or it used to be, meaning he couldnt when he became mortal again.

Nikkirose
July 31st, 2004, 01:11 PM
Did anyone else notice Carter's walk while she was 'possesed' by Anubis?? It seemed a bit more confidant(sp?) than her usual walk. I hope we get to see it more often. Plus she got to kick ass in this episode (I miss that), maybe shes just gearing up for when she kicks Pete's @$$ out. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_103.gif Sorry he's just not a character I like...but anyway back OnTopic.. this episode was good but it could have been a bit better!

Elwe Singollo
July 31st, 2004, 01:36 PM
Imo, it was good, and above most of the bad episodes in S7 :)

KorbenDirewolf
August 2nd, 2004, 11:11 AM
So the entire time, prior the demise of Abydos Anubis *never* used his powers?? The destruction of Abydos, wasn't that a weapon of the Ancients that Anubis used? So wouldn't that in fact have been using his superior abilities to an unfair advantage? I know, actually a moot point now.
I just think that particular aspect really hasn't been explained all that well.
I'm guessing that that is how it went. As for unfair advantage: If they should have stopped Anubis at Abydos, then they should have stopped Jack in Lost City.



Um... bit of confusion, here. All Ancients may be Ascended, but not all Ascended are Ancients. ie: Daniel, Anubis, and Jaffa(strongly hinted at in MI).

Nuby can use Ancient tech all he wants, fool around with it, make alterations, destroy whole planets with it, etc, and the Ascended wouldn't even give a sign that they'd noticed. But just let him use Ascended power in the realm of mortals and that (apparently) will get their attention.

I think.... :S
That seems to be the size of it.



And I still want to know what happened to Anubis. No way I'm buying that as his ultimate end.
I don't know, but it sure looks like that what they're selling.

Tok'Ra Hostess
August 2nd, 2004, 12:24 PM
My hot temper will melt the snow? :D

You paying attention, Vasselov? ;)

ShadowMaat
August 2nd, 2004, 12:26 PM
You paying attention, Vasselov? ;)
If he were cuter, I'd offer to warm him up. ;) Aren't Russians supposed to be hot-blooded? Obviously not hot-blooded enough, though. Poor Vassy. I liked him a lot better than certain other characters I could mention...

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August 2nd, 2004, 01:38 PM
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I don't know, but it sure looks like that what they're selling.


I saw a quote from--I think it was RCC--that seemed to suggest that there would be an ep in the second half that brings closure to Daniel's story with Anubis. I took that to mean that Nuby finds yet another way to get back into the action.


J.

Mr. Seven
September 21st, 2004, 08:14 PM
Yeah, there is no way a frozen body can hold him..I mean all he has to do is leave it and then go out into space right?

Major Fischer
September 21st, 2004, 08:17 PM
Threads Well, we know he gets away, but I rather doubt he just floats off into space. After all, floating around in space didnt' seem to make him a happy black cloud in this episode.

Mr. Seven
September 21st, 2004, 08:20 PM
Maybe coincidentally a vessel in hyper space might come by the planet and he hitches a ride on that...

Can you imagine what would happen if he..

SPOILER FOR NEW ORDER

hooked up with those replicators?

That would be a major threat.

Andy867
September 22nd, 2004, 07:23 AM
My guess is that some alien species detected the Gate energy and went to inspect it, found Anubis in the Russian's body, and brought him aboard and dethawed him and once he was free, he slowly took over the ship so that he could get back to his planet which has the forcefield generator.

SilverCatofBast
October 8th, 2004, 06:01 PM
BIIIG problem with this epp (something I noticed first time through, but just didn't have the time to post then) --
Anyone else here familiar with Harry Potter?
First book, Sorcerer's Stone, Philosopher's stone in England...
Voldemort, the bad guy, had done so many things to ensure his immortality waaay before the book starts, and he was 'killed' - but not quite. Some of the things worked, and - guess what - he was a non-corporeal beagin capable of inhabiting other bodies but incapable of doing spells.
Oh, and the snakes he inhabits (mentioned in a later book) die a little fast, though the human he inhabits in book one is only detrimentally affected by Voldie because Voldie is a bad guy...
Anyhow, this plot, Anubis, 'infection', he's gotta get past the gauntlet to make himself all-powerful again, non-corporeal...
Do the writers read Harry Potter?
Big problem...

Major Fischer
October 8th, 2004, 06:04 PM
That's hardly an idea that originated with Harry Potter.

Andy867
October 8th, 2004, 10:18 PM
Ok, I can tell ya now that the writers are definitely NOT big fans of HP, so any reference to the two is VERY VERY LOOSE, Its like trying to say stargate is related to Young and the Restless (S/J)

SilverCatofBast
October 9th, 2004, 07:44 AM
still - I DO have a point.
It's pretty funny to see overt tributes to Star Wars in SG-1 sometimes - but it bugged the heck out of me to see that the Vader-substitute is capable of inhabiting people just like some one else from a FANTASY story!
The whole thing irked me and there wasn't enough comedy to overcome that - in retrospect, I think this episode was worth watching only in tying up a few loose ends (and pointing out which ones are still loose) and seeing how Jack likes his office.
Otherwise? Pretty worthless. Definently one for me to miss here on out.
Later!

Major Fischer
October 9th, 2004, 10:53 AM
still - I DO have a point.

Not a big one in my opinion. Any relation is tangental and, as far as I can tell, a tortured tangent.

Ugly Pig
October 9th, 2004, 12:22 PM
Do the writers read Harry Potter?
Big problem...
I'm sorry, but you're really reaching here. Anubis' state in this episode was a natural progression of what has happened with him up to this point in the series. So it happens to share a few vague similarities with Harry Potter... Big deal.

TheWarrior
October 19th, 2004, 12:47 AM
Remember UK Sky Viewers

SKY ONE at 8:00 tonight Lockdown airs! :)

Anubis
October 19th, 2004, 01:15 PM
Remember UK Sky Viewers

SKY ONE at 8:00 tonight Lockdown airs! :)



Yay, Anubis returned. Better than I expected and Anubis caught my eye at the start in space.

Poor Daniel getting shot by Jack and everyone just stares around the room with the face "It wasn't me". :)

Crazedwraith
October 19th, 2004, 01:24 PM
So-So episode. Jack really hasn't adjusted well to being a General, he still is short sighted towards Russians and is basically being the same old O'neill just with stars. Seriously this episode could have been Season 5 and it would have been much different.

Andy867
October 19th, 2004, 01:28 PM
Poor Daniel getting shot by Jack and everyone just stares around the room with the face "It wasn't me". :)


Actually, the look on their face when he asked Who Shot Me is more of *ahem**COUGH*JACK*COUGH*AHEM* And they kind of nodded their head or rolled their eyes a certain direction

Anubis
October 19th, 2004, 01:29 PM
Actually, the look on their face when he asked Who Shot Me is more of *ahem**COUGH*JACK*COUGH*AHEM* And they kind of nodded their head or rolled their eyes a certain direction



So true, but they were looking around as if "Well, who do you THINK it was?" ;)

shelsfc
October 19th, 2004, 01:45 PM
There was some nice team stuff, like the discussion about the fourth member. And then poor Daniel, "Who shot me?!?" lol! Loved how the other two sort of glanced at Jack.

I felt a bit sorry for the Russian col., even before he got sick...

The new doctor is ok, but she's no Janet. She seemed a little bit cold.

Daniel stealing jello from the other patients, lol!!

There was a nice little bit of Jack & Daniel stuff in Jack's office.
Poor Jack, buried under paperwork...:p

Good ep, it was nice to see the team more or less together again.

Watters87
October 19th, 2004, 02:03 PM
Good episode. You really do feel sorry for the Russians. Very good scene when daniel asked who shot him. Sam slightly nodding her head in Jack's direction LOL. Still a very good start to season 8.

Andy867
October 19th, 2004, 02:14 PM
And if you notice Teal'c and his eye movement ( I Believe)

michelleb
October 19th, 2004, 02:35 PM
Notice how Jack said 'you did well, son' just before he shot kearney. very hammond-like thing to say, i thought.

and everyone got to shoot daniel this episode!

Dodger
October 19th, 2004, 06:38 PM
I only just saw this episode and liked it a lot but I’m missing Hammond terribly. :( Good episode though :)

tara3583
October 19th, 2004, 08:36 PM
Once again a nice epiode, loved the pile of
paper work that Jack was plowing throuh and
i love the fact that he's still in his "green"
uniform.
I felt really sorry for the Russian bloke as
i liked him and would have loved to see him
on another team, ummmm wonder if Anubis is
really dead.
Also lol at how many times Daniel got shot,
talk about Danny whomping! and Sam's sideways
look to Jack when Daniel asked who shot him,
lol very funny!
Just knew Anubis was going to end up in Sam at
some point and what trail of bodys she left
in her wake in trying to get to the Gate! and
poor old Jack first having to shoot Daniel
then once again Sam it's a wonder Jack's still
sane:)

Madeleine
October 20th, 2004, 03:00 PM
The 'who shot me?' scene was priceless.

The entire ep was good. It was a pretty humdrum concept for a plot, but very well executed. My only quibble was with the doctor; I can see I'm not alone.

The ending was really good, and the SFX team did well with that final shot. Such a sad way for that poor Russian chap to go. Is Anubis frozen inside him?

Andy867
October 20th, 2004, 03:02 PM
Only time will tell (course with the forums being a subsite of GW, all the spoilers are on the front page (sort of))

Matt G
October 20th, 2004, 03:54 PM
1. I'm a Jack O'Neill fan but even I recognised that he was being slightly arsey with Vasselov who seemed the best Russian character yet! OK...so SG1 would be out of reach for a variety of reasons but,,,

2. The eyebrow stuff was cool.

3. The new Doc looked quite fit in the original photos but the character doesn't seem to work.

Andy867
October 20th, 2004, 04:20 PM
For me, it seemed like Gen O'Neill was kind of suspicious on why Vasselov was so eager to go through the gate, even without proper training, which indicates a lack of respect for personal safety.

Matt G
October 21st, 2004, 06:20 AM
Well even Jack was prepared to admit that Vasselov had a 'slick resume' so he could have been looking for a new challenge and thought that Stargate travel wouldn't be anything he couldn't handle.

CultTVGirl
October 22nd, 2004, 01:41 AM
The 'who shot me?' scene was priceless.

Definitely my favourite part of the episode. So funny. :D


My only quibble was with the doctor; I can see I'm not alone.

Yeah, I miss Fraiser. The new doctor looked evil - I kept thinking she was Anubis! :(

SeaBee
October 22nd, 2004, 04:39 PM
Most excellent episode.
I loved the whole "who shot me?" scene, especially the bit where Carter does the eye flick and nod! LOL at that.
I guessed that it was Anubis when the cloud entered the space station, and I didn't understand why The Russian officer did the "Hero" bit at the end, but apart from that I thought it was a great ep.

Major Fischer
October 22nd, 2004, 04:42 PM
Most excellent episode.
I loved the whole "who shot me?" scene, especially the bit where Carter does the eye flick and nod! LOL at that.
I guessed that it was Anubis when the cloud entered the space station, and I didn't understand why The Russian officer did the "Hero" bit at the end, but apart from that I thought it was a great ep.

I think he figured he was going to die anyway and he'd rather die on his feet than in a foreign hospital bed.

SeaBee
October 22nd, 2004, 05:02 PM
I think he figured he was going to die anyway and he'd rather die on his feet than in a foreign hospital bed.
Yep, I guess that's probably it.
I must admit to thinking "Red Shirt" when he marched into Jacks office, so I wasn't surprised when he copped it. :)

Elite Anubis Guard
October 23rd, 2004, 01:33 AM
i found some aspects of the plot predictable, but i still enjoyed it and some classic comedy scenes in it aswell, who shot me?

Albion
October 26th, 2004, 03:28 AM
1. I'm a Jack O'Neill fan but even I recognised that he was being slightly arsey with Vasselov who seemed the best Russian character yet! OK...so SG1 would be out of reach for a variety of reasons but,,,

I think I forgot to mention this aspect in my previous post on this one. But I really love this aspect of the episode. The fact that it was so obvious that Jack just didn't want anyone assigned to SG-1. Because that would be an acknowledgement that things had changed for him - that he was off the team officially. (For the most part). And so he was putting off that decision for as long as possible. Signified, I think, by his slightly embarrassed look when Daniel asked him if he had anyone else in mind for SG-1 then, if not the Russian. It was a very nice little character moment, I thought.

Now that I've watched this one a couple of times and it's 'settled in' in my head, I find that I do wish there was more reaction from the team to Sam's apparent death. There was a distinct 'been there, done that' feel to things, which was rather off kilter and odd. Maybe it was deliberate, I don't know. An acknowledgement that they have been there, done that, countless times, and that they're getting slightly blase about losing friends and then having them miraculously come back unscathed. I suppose that would be kind of human wouldn't it, if this was real life. OTOH, I don't really expect real life from my fantasy shows. It's not real life. Few military teams would have as much luck at survival as SG1 have. They'd probably all have been dead for real three seasons ago. :p So if it's a choice between realistic and honest emotion, I'll take the emotion every time, guys, if you're listening. ;) It didn't have to be anyone breaking down in hysterical tears - but to just not have it mentioned at all, zero reaction was very, very weird. A couple of lines of dialogue would have done the trick.

Albion :)

D.C.
November 4th, 2004, 12:56 PM
Lockdown aired last night on Australian TV. I had already spoiled the Anubis stuff, but still thought it was pretty cool. It would be cool to have a fourth on SG-1 and a Russian or Tok'ra would be awesome. I liked how they locked down the base. Some of the scenes in this episode reminded me of Season One and Two... especially the fight in the gate room with Dr. Jackson, as well as at the end with Jack and the Russian officer. I liked how they split the base into three sections, but Sam managed to break through the different sections pretty fast. Good episode. :)

Lord Zedd
November 4th, 2004, 01:16 PM
yeah and when the huge door closed that was also a scene I saw from season 1 or other seasons.That is just to fill it up and it is cheaper.It is a short scene you all saw

D.C.
November 4th, 2004, 01:23 PM
Yeah, I think that's just a stock shot like the SGC Mountain shots.