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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 602</FONT>
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Carter must find a way to save Earth from total destruction at the hands of the Goa'uld, who have turned the Stargate into a doomsday bomb. Rya'c joins Teal'c and Bra'tac on a dangerous mission to destroy the Goa'uld weapon.

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omnian
June 13th, 2004, 06:22 AM
This was a great way to open Season 6. The part where Teal'c, Rya'c and Bra'tac ringed into the middle of those Jaffa was amazing. Teal'c swinging his staff weapon about and shooting everyone was very cool and one of the most memorable parts of this episode.

It also showed the threat of Anubis to the SGC and the entire galaxy. His little speech from the end of the first part really got me looking forward to all the encounters Earth has with Anubis and the sort of weapons he has at his disposal.

SG_Mike
June 17th, 2004, 11:53 AM
I have to say I loved the aspect of Rya'c getting his chance to prove himself. Then SGC thinking that gate travel was done for good. Then the good news is shared.

bcmilco
June 17th, 2004, 03:53 PM
Leasing the Stargate was an interesting touch too ;)

Elwe Singollo
June 22nd, 2004, 01:01 AM
Darn Russians :)

gate traveler
July 4th, 2004, 02:02 PM
The X-302 is AWESOME!

greytop
July 4th, 2004, 08:49 PM
I liked the way Jonas got Sam to think of moving the Stargate was her idea at first. He acted like he was innocent about how they got it into the mountian.

Anubis
July 4th, 2004, 11:11 PM
Hehehe! lol That scene was great, he just said it drinking his coffee

greytop
July 6th, 2004, 04:41 PM
Did you notice that all through pts. 1 & 2 that Jonas was carrying a notebook around most of the time?

AgentX
July 6th, 2004, 05:15 PM
Did you notice that all through pts. 1 & 2 that Jonas was carrying a notebook around most of the time?

That guy just loves to learn. He so would have been beaten up in high school on Earth. :)

Selmak
July 11th, 2004, 07:27 AM
I like how McKay got redeemed in the end.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 08:26 PM
I like sam's quote... I liked you more when you were a jerk.

greytop
July 20th, 2004, 01:23 PM
Hehehe! lol That scene was great, he just said it drinking his coffee
Maybe his coffee was spike with something.

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 08:53 PM
Leasing the Stargate was an interesting touch too ;)
That opens the door to more Russian involvement later on.

Baal_Lord
September 10th, 2004, 11:51 AM
great part in this episode (if it is, hopefully memory is rihgt) is when the russian colonl is yell9ign at sam saying why wasnt i informed of X-302 and joans says it this man is very upset

greytop
September 10th, 2004, 12:09 PM
Your memory is correct. That is what happened.

omnian
September 10th, 2004, 12:48 PM
I wonder where Colonel Chekov (?) went after Season 6....I miss him :(

If he HAS shown up then my memory is worse than I thought :o

greytop
September 14th, 2004, 12:09 PM
This could of been posted on either thread but since I am on this one....

Could the reason that Jack and Sam couldn't accept Jonas, besides the thing with Daniel, is because they had a run with a former Jonas, who set himself up as a god (The First Commandment, S1)?

Baal_Lord
September 14th, 2004, 02:33 PM
This could of been posted on either thread but since I am on this one....

Could the reason that Jack and Sam couldn't accept Jonas, besides the thing with Daniel, is because they had a run with a former Jonas, who set himself up as a god (The First Commandment, S1)?
i completly forgot about that guy! it mihgt be true, but jonas is a lot different then the other, the other was just crazy!

SeaBee
September 19th, 2004, 08:17 AM
Ahh, an excellent episode. :D
I loved the "protective father" stuff from Teal'c, especially when, in the end, Rya'c gets to save the day, and he realises his son really has become a great warrior and a man.

Daniel's_twin
November 8th, 2004, 04:21 PM
I'm watching this episode right now, and I am hating that stupid, idiotic, moronic, *goes on for another half hour of hateful terms* Dr. Rodney Mckay. They just operated that EM pulse of his and he almost killed Carter. This is just another reason why I am glad he is now in Pegasus. So very happy for Carter. So very very happy for her. :cool:

Major Fischer
November 8th, 2004, 04:36 PM
I'm really finding myself with an intense dislike for Jonas. I'm sorry Shadow, I tried to give him a chance for you, I just find him annoying.

Madeleine
November 8th, 2004, 06:12 PM
:: Thwaps Fischer ::
:p

Major Fischer
November 8th, 2004, 06:16 PM
:: Thwaps Fischer ::
:p

hey, it's certainly not a "he's not daniel" thing or anything against CN. I just find his character intensely annoying, I can't even put my finger on it but it is very viseral. I think it may be his ernestness for somethings and his lack of earnestness for other things that would seem to follow. I just can't find sympathy for him now.

Madeleine
November 8th, 2004, 06:21 PM
Ah, sorry, you can like and dislike who you please. But he's got a bit more to do in the next three eps, so you might get more of a feel for him.

:: crosses fingers - but not like that :: :)

TheWarrior
February 8th, 2005, 05:02 AM
Just a small nitpick or query on this episode.

When Shaq'rel ringed Teal'c, Bra'tac and Ry'ac down he must have had to go into hyperspace to get away from the Gliders. But how did he get back to ring the three back up, surely Anubis fleet would still be in orbit and more troops would be on the planet.

A great second part to the two parter, McKay and Carter in the medical room and Carter not hearing what he said was funny. Those two get on well in the end, and Jonas comes up with two ideas that help out. The only reason he comes up with the ideas is because he is seeing things from a different perspective.

Now you have to wonder, did O'Neill choose Jonas because of what Carter and Teal'c said to him, or was it because he didn't want a Russian on the team. I don't think we'll ever know.

Spiderman
February 8th, 2005, 05:27 AM
Just a small nitpick or query on this episode.

When Shaq'rel ringed Teal'c, Bra'tac and Ry'ac down he must have had to go into hyperspace to get away from the Gliders. But how did he get back to ring the three back up, surely Anubis fleet would still be in orbit and more troops would be on the planet.

A great second part to the two parter, McKay and Carter in the medical room and Carter not hearing what he said was funny. Those two get on well in the end, and Jonas comes up with two ideas that help out. The only reason he comes up with the ideas is because he is seeing things from a different perspective.

Now you have to wonder, did O'Neill choose Jonas because of what Carter and Teal'c said to him, or was it because he didn't want a Russian on the team. I don't think we'll ever know.

I think that it was because of what Carter and Teal'c said but he just didn't want to admit it and than with the ultimatum that there should be a russian member of SG.1 well than it hit O'Neill that what Carter and Teal'c and what Jonas said.I think that O'Neill liked Jonas only he wouldn't admit it

PugGate
May 6th, 2005, 05:02 PM
The first part of the episode is hilarious! I kinda feel sorry for all the new people that have been rejected by O'Niell. I think it's funny to see how Carter acts so angry at Jonas in the beginning, especially when she keeps reminding him the the General ordered her to help him out.

Anubis345
May 6th, 2005, 05:08 PM
yeah and he does that the rest of season six to maybe he likes to read in teh heat of the battle and that will show him how t fight better lol

PugGate
May 11th, 2005, 06:54 PM
Why would the Ancients build a weapon that was capable of using a stargate as a means of destroying a whole planet?

Madeleine
May 11th, 2005, 09:32 PM
Maybe it wasn't a weapon and that's just a secondary purpose. It's main function would have had to be something biiiig though; it might have been designed for some sort of planetary engineering a la the Aschen's trick of turning gas giants into suns.

QuiGonJohn
June 8th, 2005, 06:05 PM
This was a very good close to the season opener two parter. A lot of action and story. So now the SGC has the Giza Starate again!

Daniel's_twin
June 9th, 2005, 06:58 AM
Yeah. Now if only they didn't have to rent it... :cool:

Sela
July 18th, 2005, 06:46 PM
This is one of the better episodes of this season. I really like Jonas and McKay in this episode and the 'B' story about Teal'c & son is great.

Anubis69
August 28th, 2005, 11:47 AM
In a season of some terrible episodes, one or two average ones and some great episodes...this is one of the better ones. We get to learn that little bit more of the ancients, learn of our new resident bad guy anubis, and we get some pretty good team interaction. IMHO a highlight of S6.

Beatrice Otter
August 28th, 2005, 09:07 PM
The first part of the episode is hilarious! I kinda feel sorry for all the new people that have been rejected by O'Niell. I think it's funny to see how Carter acts so angry at Jonas in the beginning, especially when she keeps reminding him the the General ordered her to help him out.
On the DVD there's either a commentary or a documentary on that episode someone mentions that the reason Carter blows hot and cold on Jonas in this ep was because they weren't sure whether they wanted her to like him or resent him for Daniel's death at this point, so they filmed most of the scenes with the two of them both ways. Unfortunately when it was cut together, they ended up using some of the "liking" scenes and some of the "resenting" scenes instead of choosing one or the other.

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 06:31 AM
Ahh really i didnt know that thankss ... green for you!!!

Anyway A great end to the two parter start of Season 6 looking good for another year!!

Perriman33
September 15th, 2005, 11:37 PM
Nice two parter that has a couple of different story threads. From sam and rodders trying to stop gate exploding to teal'c and his son doing the same thing from the other end.
I liked anubis's melodramatic gloating it almost makes jacks day to here it! And the way jonas gives out suggestions in an understated way is great I think his character is quite good and gets better through the season,its nice to see daniel again but jonas is slowly written in to the season and has his own special position on SG1. :)
As for the ancients weapon, that is HUGE and fairly pointless for it's size, I'm presuming the ancients had another use for it! :confused:
And lastly teal'c and his son had a good connection on screen it was nice to see teal'c being something other than stoney faced. Ry'ac was played well and was a good character! :)

walter_MacChevron
October 31st, 2005, 08:04 PM
loved this episode just as much as the first part....seeing as how I view it as one long episode

Elite Anubis Guard
November 19th, 2005, 08:33 AM
Just watched this again since I have just brought S6 on DVD. I love this episode, it's a fantastic introduction to Jonas and it's a shame he was just snobbed off.

Loved the story and the fact that it couldnt just be fixed.

desert fox
June 21st, 2006, 04:42 AM
Godd season opener and a very cool two-parter. I wonder if Anubis would try to attack Earth with ships now since his Stargate weapon was destroyed and Agard is not a threat for his new shielded ships anymore. I like the way they jettisoned the gate to space and Ra'yak's death glider attack on Stargate weapon.

By the way if there is anyone here who watches Battlestar Galactica ; you shall recognize chief of Galactica flight deck ( Aaron Douglas ) as Jaffa leader who captured and interrogated Teal'c:tealc:

meredithchandler73
October 20th, 2006, 11:33 AM
Really liked this two-parter as well. McKay was as annoying in this as he was in the first episode he appeared in. (In the earlier episode - when he tells Carter he has always been attracted to dumb blondes. My jaw dropped. "Oh no he di'int!") His apology to Carter sorta softened me up. But Carter's line to him at the end about being more attracted to him when she hated him - I don't buy that. It was funny and I liked the reaction it produced, but I think Carter has better taste!!!

Question - I know that the Russian Colonel (?) talked about renting the gate to the Americans, but for some reason the way I heard General Hammond at the end, I thought the deal that was worked out meant one large payment of money. And they had to turn over the plans for the X302 and argree to having a Russian join the SGC on missions. I guess I should go back and watch it. Maybe my ears are playing tricks on me. Basically because I don't think the USA should be renting the gate indefinitely!!!

saberhagen83
October 21st, 2006, 12:26 PM
Question - I know that the Russian Colonel (?) talked about renting the gate to the Americans, but for some reason the way I heard General Hammond at the end, I thought the deal that was worked out meant one large payment of money. And they had to turn over the plans for the X302 and argree to having a Russian join the SGC on missions. I guess I should go back and watch it. Maybe my ears are playing tricks on me. Basically because I don't think the USA should be renting the gate indefinitely!!!

Carter asked Hammond what they had to do to get the gate. Hammond said something like "Good 'ole American dollars, Major". Not sure if he means they pay it as a rent or if they have actually bought the gate from the Russians.

meredithchandler73
October 22nd, 2006, 04:01 AM
Carter asked Hammond what they had to do to get the gate. Hammond said something like "Good 'ole American dollars, Major". Not sure if he means they pay it as a rent or if they have actually bought the gate from the Russians.

You are right. It isn't absolutely clear in this episode, but they make it clear in a later episode. I guess most people heard this line and figured the US was renting the gate (since that was a suggestion made by the Russian liaison) while I took it to mean it was bought outright.

Cascade
August 15th, 2007, 03:59 AM
I liked this episode, and part one before it. :) A good start to season six methinks.

I really like Jonas now so far, and I hope that Carter and O'Neill warm up to him more during the season. All the scenes with Jack flying the X-302 (I think that's what it was anyway?) were great, and the Sam/Rodney scenes were fun. :D I fail to believe though that she ever found Rodney attractive. :S He's so annoying!

One thing that bothered me, was when the Stargate was destroyed in space, and the events leading up to it, nobody mentioned the fact that Teal'c was off-world, not to mention the other SG teams that were off-world. They got a brief mention from Hammond when it seemed the Stargate programme was done forever, but I thought more scenes before this would of showed the team at SG Command being a bit more concerned for Teal'c, but oh well. Maybe they got cut out.

Extrenix
September 12th, 2007, 07:20 PM
its funny to see Hammond speaking about the X-303 plans when they only show us Prometheus several episodes later.

Ilana
October 2nd, 2007, 09:22 AM
I just watched this again, and I have two questions:

What changed from their closing up the Stargate program, to, it seemed, getting the new stargate the next day (weren't the terms the same the day before??).

How did Ryack get hold of a death glider? ...and did he just ring Teal'c and Bratac up to his ship and then to the cargo ship???

I'm sorry, I hope these questions aren't stupid and confusing.

Vampyr
October 2nd, 2007, 06:46 PM
Well, it's not like this all shown in chronological order. Sometimes we can jump a few days into the future when skipping to a new scene.

To answer your questions:
Ryac took one from a nearby Jaffa camp- it didn't just materialize out of thin air. Now when you see Ryac ringing them aboard (I think this is how it happens, need to watch the ep again to be sure), I'm dead sure the pilot of the ship picked him up after the crash, then when picking up Teal'c and Bratac, Ryac operated the rings so the pilot didn't have to.

Ilana
October 3rd, 2007, 08:44 AM
Thanks for your answer... I get it about the cargo ship.

I guess the new stargate could have been incorporated in a smoother way...

smurf
October 3rd, 2007, 11:27 AM
The Russians offered to make their stargate available - to be used from Russia - but it was decided that since, as far as the everyone knew, Anubis could try again with his weapon they couldn't take the risk of using it. Once they found out that the weapon had been destroyed they opened up for business, and managed to get the Russians to agree to loan the stargate by offering good old-fashion dollars.

sabbon
March 24th, 2008, 06:48 AM
Well, I'm new and have only recently started watching. Just got up to this brilliant two parter (the best so far imo). Anubis looks like he's gonna be a HUGE threat!

Also, I saw another thread asking if there were any other BSG actors in Stargate after Season 5s Proving Ground. Well yes, this episode! Aaron Douglass (The Chief in BSG) plays the head Jaffa on the world Teal'c and Bre'tac are on (the guy who interogates them).

So far I have been highly impressed by the series, and it only keeps on getting better. Shmae about Daniel though, I'll bet he'll be back.

Sp!der
June 10th, 2008, 09:39 AM
just saw it again...
loved that episode. sadly mccay was not in many more episodes in sg1....
i just love him.

captain jake
July 4th, 2008, 09:42 AM
I love how smart Jonas is and yet at the same time he isn't cocky about it at all. I did think it was kind of weird that none of the people in that room had thought about taking it out of the mountain. Though I suppose the element of time comes into play, they did have to wait until it was slightly more desperate circumstances (The 3 2 1 paradox I suppose). Great episode.

generaloneill
July 22nd, 2008, 06:39 AM
Godd season opener and a very cool two-parter. I wonder if Anubis would try to attack Earth with ships now since his Stargate weapon was destroyed and Agard is not a threat for his new shielded ships anymore. I like the way they jettisoned the gate to space and Ra'yak's death glider attack on Stargate weapon.

By the way if there is anyone here who watches Battlestar Galactica ; you shall recognize chief of Galactica flight deck ( Aaron Douglas ) as Jaffa leader who captured and interrogated Teal'c:tealc:

Aaron Douglas has been in SG-1 prior to redemption part 2
He played another jaffa called Moac (bra'tac made it sound like his name was mark which i thought was odd for a jaffa) in maternal instinct he was injured when apophis attacked chulak he died
shortly afterwards in the SGC infirmary

Maternal Instinct
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Redemption part 2
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L E E
August 2nd, 2008, 10:27 PM
I love how smart Jonas is and yet at the same time he isn't cocky about it at all. I did think it was kind of weird that none of the people in that room had thought about taking it out of the mountain. Though I suppose the element of time comes into play, they did have to wait until it was slightly more desperate circumstances (The 3 2 1 paradox I suppose). Great episode.

I agree about Jonas. I didn't think about taking the gate out too until Jonas pointed it out. This is another great season opener. How many gates have they destroyed so far?

Jack may be limping, but he still kicks ass. And I love that the idea came from him about jumping to hyperspace while the x-302 was carrying the gate. I love it whenever Jack drops the dumb act. And seems to only do it in life and death situations.

A Wraith Named Bob
August 11th, 2008, 09:23 AM
I just watched this episode and I thought it was pretty good. I thought Ray' ak (sp?) was going to die...

Colonel Carter
December 17th, 2008, 07:06 PM
I wonder where Colonel Chekov (?) went after Season 6....I miss him :(

If he HAS shown up then my memory is worse than I thought :o

No worries, he comes back, as the commander of the ill fated Korolev. No worries, I liked Chekov too.

Butlersgate
March 14th, 2009, 08:41 AM
Go jonas!

The Stig
May 11th, 2009, 10:58 PM
Jonas did good in this ep. But Teal'c, Ryac and Bratac stole the show.

vzzzzzbx
May 25th, 2009, 11:29 AM
Great 2-parter to start S6, shame Anubis wasn't in part 2 though. Love the banter between Carter and McKay,and though Jonas was only in this Season I didn't really mind the character.

MechaThor
July 13th, 2009, 10:36 AM
Just watched this 2 parter again, really strong episodes. Everyone was great in it: Hammond, Jonas, Mckay, Sam, Bratac and them two random scientists, all great.

It was great that they finally explained and even showed us how the gate got into the SGC when its bigger than all the doors.

However this time I noticed a small mistake, that I am not sure has been mentioned before. As when Carter and McKay where telling O'Neill that they had to rewrite some code to allow the F302 not to abort when going into hyperspace towards the end of the epsiode, Carter says something along the lines of...
:sam: "We are going to write a new command code that will prevent the F302 from automatically aborting when it detects an unstable WORMHOLE"

That of course is incorrect since she should have said "WINDOW" since they actually did not want the F302 to abort when it detected an unstable hyperspace WINDOW, which is made out of Sub Space and not a Wormhole like a Gate (as far as my Stargate mythology is aware, that is).

Its a small mishap, that don't spoil the epsiode. Infact I only just noticed it after watching this epsiode a fair amount. However its a fun Stargate trivia fact.

jsonitsac
August 22nd, 2009, 12:03 PM
I loved how the title of this episode worked with how everything wrapped up. Teal'c redeemed himself in Raya'c's eyes; Jonas redeemed himself to Jack (although I thought Jack was unfairly hostile to him), Rodney redeemed himself to Sam, and the USA redeemed itself to the Russians. It was almost as if the plot lines worked to put SG-1 on a totally fresh page to face the future threats to Earth. In all, this was a pretty good episode. Obviously it was plot driven, but it had good character moments as well.

techwork
September 27th, 2009, 09:50 AM
The Russians offered to make their stargate available - to be used from Russia - but it was decided that since, as far as the everyone knew, Anubis could try again with his weapon they couldn't take the risk of using it. Once they found out that the weapon had been destroyed they opened up for business, and managed to get the Russians to agree to loan the stargate by offering good old-fashion dollars.

No Probably by this time Russian got interstellar spaceship with cloak device. And so began to make money on the already unwanted gates. And for their mission began to use the gates to one of the neighboring planets. Cheaper and Safe ;)

es!
December 9th, 2009, 03:37 AM
I liked this two-parter a lot, but something still bothers me.

Isn't a stargate "connected" to its planet through the address? Remember, SGC wasn't able to dial to the gate aboard Apophis' mothership once it left the orbit?

Then why does the wormhole stay stable after the gate jumps out of hyperspace so far away from Earth?

gateship15
December 9th, 2009, 03:50 AM
i like this episode its one i need to watch again. i love when sam figures out what to do. i like this is a two parter it keeps u wanting to know what is going to happen until u get to watch the second part

Tachyon
January 10th, 2010, 09:04 PM
Both parts of Redemption work for me very well. This is one of my favorite two parters, without a doubt. We have Anubis, Earth on the verge of the doom again, and we see McKay there as well. This has it all. :D

jelgate
January 10th, 2010, 09:13 PM
I could have done without McKay and the inclusion of Anubis seemed kind out of place with the rest of the story. But despite that Redemption is a good episode. I especially like the F-302 with Stargate

mrscopterdoc
March 21st, 2010, 01:18 PM
I could have done without McKay as well. Where was Janet?
I am glad Jonas is now part of SG1.

maneth
October 5th, 2010, 10:48 AM
I miss Daniel like hell, but Jonas is growing on me. Poor guy, he had a tough start. I still want to punch McKay, though! I hope we'll see more of Rya'c now that he joined the fight.

Hornet
December 28th, 2010, 09:17 PM
Great opening to a new season with a 2 episode story

My only disappointment was not being able to see how Teal'c and co. got out of the planet after they destroyed the weapon.

patsbabe
August 30th, 2011, 10:54 AM
Hi Guys im rewatching this epsiode on Sky and I have a question. is that supposed to be Airforce 1 that the X302 is strapped on to?

hedwig
August 30th, 2011, 11:59 AM
Hi Guys im rewatching this epsiode on Sky and I have a question. is that supposed to be Airforce 1 that the X302 is strapped on to?

No. It wouldn't be Air Force One for something like that; if it was AF1, it would have some kind of sign on it that said it was. It's just a similar size to Air Force One. At one time, similar planes were used to transport the Space Shuttles back to wherever they took off from, which is what this always reminds me of.

This two-parter is one of my favorite episodes throughout the series. I really like how Jonas was used in the episode and how he figured out what to do with the gate.

And as annoying as I find McKay to be, I liked him in this as well. And Colonel Chekov is a favorite, too, so it was fun to see him in the episode.

I found it interesting that when Sam volunteered to take the F302 out to try and contact the Asgard that Jack immediately piped up and volunteered to go as well. I suspect he was using it as an excuse to get away from Colonel Chekov's anger.

garhkal
September 5th, 2011, 03:39 PM
IIRC there is a 4 pack of dedicated 747 jumbo jets for the shuttles.. which is what that 302 was more than likely on.

Dave2
December 8th, 2011, 10:37 AM
Does anyone remember that is brave outstanding young Rya'c who saves the SGC program!!!
An outstanding episode and this time I have no significant "criticisms" for the writers.
The element of bringing in Rya'c was exquisite......A fifteen or sixteen year old boy destroys the weapon of the most fearsome goa'uld!!
Let's hear it for Rya'c !!!! And his training done by MASTER BRA'TAC!!

LeftHandedGuitarist
December 11th, 2011, 10:13 AM
Good conclusion to the two parts. I'm definitely liking Jonas a lot more this time around. The show has, once again, a bigger feeling than what has been done in previous seasons.

Since I'm a bit more unfamiliar with SG-1 from season 6 onwards, having not really seen these episodes since first broadcast nearly 10 years ago, I got very intrigued when Gen. Hammond mentioned the "X-302 and X-303". I can't remember what that is! (Don't spoil the surprise for me, please.)

I enjoyed the first part of this more, due to the character development and humour, but this was certainly an episode I can hold in high regard. Carter is wearing far too much makeup at this point in the show, though, it's not attractive.

RATING: 8.5 out of 10

Seaboe Muffinchucker
December 18th, 2011, 06:17 PM
For those who missed it earlier, this is what the real thing (http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/ts_sf_photogallery.html)looked like: the Phantom Ray on the back of one of Nasa's 747s. Note that in real life the ship is mounted farther back. Other than that, the special effects guys got it pretty close (note, this is a gallery of photos; the one with the Phantom Ray on the 747 is among them).

Seaboe

Matt G
January 2nd, 2012, 02:23 PM
Tuesday night...and the end of the SG1 season opener...

1. McKay was still rubbing me up the wrong way here.

2. Jonas was still not quite...clicking for me. I'm not sure if he and Jack were ever that tight and I'm pretty sure Jack signed Jonas up purely to avoid having a Russian on the team.

3. Ah...Aaron Douglas as a Jaffa.

4. "It also helps to be lucky" :)

5. Impressive work Ry'ac...we were 'that' close to Earth losing the Gate!

Pretty good ep.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 3rd, 2012, 03:53 PM
Excellent conclusion to the beginning of Season 6.

I still love that pianist line. It's so corny, and so like McKay.

Jack once again saves the planet Earth from destruction, with an idea Carter got from Jonas (which answered an long standing question of the series).

Tomorrow, a mysterious ship appears in orbit of Earth, SG-1 and Jacob investigate.

Jae'a
January 4th, 2012, 08:12 AM
My LiveJounal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/30215.html)

No more McKay for little while... :P

Krisz
January 7th, 2012, 01:17 PM
Steps up the action, the SGC trying to work out how to prevent "their doom!" to quote Anubis, love how SG-1 pays a fond homage to the old black and white cinema reels of the likes of 'Flash Gordon' with the great corny 'dramatic dialogue'! Great visual of the X302 and stargate sitting on top of that 747!

Love the way Rya'c comes into his own as a warrior with his quick thinking, saving the day on stealing the death glider and destroying the Ancient weapon. No doubt left in Teal'c's mind after this feat! :D

The weapon we see here turns out to be amongst many potential disasters left around by the Ancients for others to find and unleash hell with! I've wondered what the Ancients built it to do in the first place, was overloading a stargate's capacitors the original idea or was it something Anubis discovered he could use it for?! So begins the race between Earth and Anubis to find various bits of Ancient technology in a bid to destroy each other.

jelgate
January 7th, 2012, 01:56 PM
This a fantastic conclusion to a fantastic two parter. I didn't even hate McKay that much in this episode and you know from me that says a lot. The guy comes off decent with this episode. The last episode was all about running around looking for solutions but this episode is we have the solution now lets fix it. Jonas is not in this episode that much but I love the part that he is in. His idea seems so simple of a solution that its almost like Jonas have a "Jack moment." That whole action scene of Jack flying the X-302 with Stargate strapped to it was cool. That whole scene looked almost movie quality to me. I have a hard time believing Rya'c could steal a death glider when the planet is so heavily guraded and am left a little curious how they escaped the planet so easily when it was so heavily guraded

Lieutenant Sparrow
February 2nd, 2012, 01:53 AM
I didn't hate McKay in this ep like I did in the other ep.

Lucky Rya'c has some skills with flying a death glider.

garhkal
February 5th, 2012, 10:01 AM
Which makes me wonder when he ever got training..

Lieutenant Sparrow
February 5th, 2012, 09:37 PM
Indeed. Unless Bra'tac took him for some lessons.

Cluas
January 28th, 2013, 12:14 AM
Best episode so far.
Even though it seemed a little too convenient that Rya'c Teal'c and Bra'tac got away alive .... Guess "It helps to be lucky" ;)

I loved Jonas, and I even liked McKay. The piano talk was awesome. Oh and now they are "leasing" the Giza gate, gotta love the russians for that.

All the characters had some really amusing lines. Except for Dr. Fraiser, were was she?? Missed her...
If this is the standard of season six, I will be very satisfied ...
:jack:

Whooops, just checked the ratings of season 6 - It's a downward spiral
:jack_new_anime05:

jelgate
January 28th, 2013, 12:37 PM
Ratings tend to go on a downward spiral. Its the commn trend. As for Fraiser a doctor really wasn't needed for this episode

Cluas
January 28th, 2013, 01:30 PM
Ratings tend to go on a downward spiral. Its the commn trend. As for Fraiser a doctor really wasn't needed for this episode

I've reached ep 10 and you're absolutely right, thanks for the answer. (I still missed Fraiser)

Falcon Horus
June 29th, 2013, 03:41 PM
McKay -- he's hilarious in this one.

Seems we lost Lt. Simmons again. And we bribed the Russians into giving us their stargate.

Lots of daring plans, and Jonas just lending a hand while drinking a gallon of tea.

Rya'c stealing a glider - daring - and destroying Anubis' set-up. SWEET!!

Baron Of Hell
July 4th, 2013, 05:33 AM
Really liked this episode. Highlights would be teal'c and son B plot and Mckay and Sam bonding. I think this might be my favorite two parter.

There weren't to many things I didn't like. Baby Teal'c flying a death glider was odd. Where did he learn that and where did he get a glider to practice on? And I have no idea how they got off of the planet with all those ships in orbits actively looking for them. Those are the only things I had problems with the rest of the episode was pretty good.

Cluas
July 5th, 2013, 01:52 AM
Those are the only things I had problems with the rest of the episode was pretty good.

Rya'c was just plain lucky, he said so himself in the end. AND he had been trained by Master Bra'tac :D

Seaboe Muffinchucker
July 10th, 2013, 11:21 AM
Does this (http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2011/february/frontier_feb_phantom_ray_harrier.pdf)look familiar to anyone here? :D

The real thing only a smaller ship. Nice to know the FX guys got it right.

Seaboe

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
July 23rd, 2013, 08:29 PM
you know i always wondered something, say they did close the gate in 2002 after Anubis attacked Earth, wouldn't it be easier to just oh i don't know, move "Stargate Command" to the Alpha Site and continue their mission there?

Scofield
July 23rd, 2013, 11:25 PM
Eeeh..It wouldn't have been the same. They wouldn't have had the resources from earth, the base wouldn't have been as nice as the original one, and let's face it..tha ratings would have decreased..not a thing to wish if hoping for more stargate.

I agree that Mckay wasn't as annoying as it was in the first episode in which he appeared..in fact, it wasn't even annoying, ok maybe a bit. I liked that moment where Sam says to Jack that:"What about you, sir? You have a way of seeing things simple, do you have any ideea" or something like that, don't remeber it accurately. After that, there comes the replica in case of mental block..i'm hungry.

fems
July 24th, 2013, 05:48 AM
you know i always wondered something, say they did close the gate in 2002 after Anubis attacked Earth, wouldn't it be easier to just oh i don't know, move "Stargate Command" to the Alpha Site and continue their mission there?

And how do you suppose they would get to the Alpha Site without using the gate on Earth? Or get supplies there? People have to actually move to another planet and can never return if they can't use/don't have a Stargate on Earth anymore. Not to mention there is no way to keep an eye on them like that, with TPTB being on Earth, including the POTUS, aka commander in chief, and the JCS giving the SGC its orders/mandate.

garhkal
July 24th, 2013, 01:57 PM
True.. Though it depends if we already have the 303 up and running or not.

fems
July 24th, 2013, 02:01 PM
True.. Though it depends if we already have the 303 up and running or not.

Prometheus wasn't introduced until Prometheus, which is episode 6x11 and even then it wasn't completely finished yet. So it was probably still in developmental/building stage by the season six premiere.

Meaghan
July 7th, 2015, 06:29 PM
I just rewatched this 2 parter, and I liked it better this time.

The one goof that I saw was them all talking about kilometers per hour and how many km Jack had to be above the Earth before anything could be done. The RCAF would have used km in their measurements....and I guess they assumed that since it was filmed in Canada then KM would be used. But this show features the USAF--wouldn't they have used miles instead?

I Am Not James Spader
September 10th, 2015, 03:52 AM
I was a little disappointed that Jack saved the day at the last minute. I think it would have been better if that last plan had failed and everyone had expected to die with minutes while on the alien world Rya'C destroyed the weapon at the second.

Perhaps the writers were looking for a way to return to just one Stargate on Earth but they could have managed this by simply dropping it in the Atlantic and later SGC recovers it but the power surge has made it unusable.

Great episode though and I like how the they make the financial cost the reason why the Russians don't want their own program. I can't figure out Jack's attitude to the Russians though. What exactly have they done that has offended him?

The Russians want alien technology and to be kept in the loop from the SGC in the same way as the SGC wanted it from the Tollan and Tokra. O'Neill cribs no end when the aliens don't stick to the deal, so what right has he moan about the Russian making the same complaint.

EDIT: Regarding McKay - when did the producer first begin to develop Atlantis? Was Rodney only intended to be an SG-1 recurring character who proved so popular that he was brought on the new show or was he brought into SG-1 with the intention that he'd feature in the spin off?

Was Shanks' absence simply that he wanted to work on other projects? Did he leave with the intention of returning the following season?

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 10th, 2015, 06:25 AM
I can't figure out Jack's attitude to the Russians though. What exactly have they done that has offended him?
Jack's problem with the Russians stems from being a Cold War baby. It's an old-fashioned attitude that becomes more and more bewildering to non-Cold War babies as time passes.

Basically, from the late 1940s through the 1970s, the Russians were THE bad guys (and therefore not to be trusted) to most Americans.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
September 11th, 2015, 01:56 AM
EDIT: Regarding McKay - when did the producer first begin to develop Atlantis? Was Rodney only intended to be an SG-1 recurring character who proved so popular that he was brought on the new show or was he brought into SG-1 with the intention that he'd feature in the spin off?

McKay was originally not a character in Stargate Atlantis, until someone remembered David Hewlett's character in SG1. I think David may have auditioned for a different character altogether. I vaguely remember reading something about it - I think in the SGA season 1 companion guide.


Was Shanks' absence simply that he wanted to work on other projects? Did he leave with the intention of returning the following season?

Michael wanted to focus on other things, and when that didn't turn out the way he hoped, he came back to SG1. Too bad, cause I really liked Jonas Quinn.

Or so I heard...

Anja
September 24th, 2015, 02:14 AM
Much was said about Shanks but he never was completely gone throughout this season.
Nice second part, much action, good characters interacting and new heroes like Ry'ac.
Great lines, but the pianist lines unfortunately don't work in German!!

Claire98909
November 9th, 2015, 02:09 PM
Eww, Carter kissed McKay on the cheek at the end of the ep! She doesn't actually like him, does she? <SNIPPED>

Britta
November 9th, 2015, 03:31 PM
It was the cheek, I wouldn't read too much into it if I were you.

Anja
November 9th, 2015, 08:24 PM
Eww, Carter kissed McKay on the cheek at the end of the ep! She doesn't actually like him, does she? <SNIPPED>

Well, you can be nice to somebody even if you don't like that person - it's called politeness.

BethHG
July 8th, 2018, 06:21 PM
This a fantastic conclusion to a fantastic two parter. I didn't even hate McKay that much in this episode and you know from me that says a lot. The guy comes off decent with this episode. The last episode was all about running around looking for solutions but this episode is we have the solution now lets fix it. Jonas is not in this episode that much but I love the part that he is in. His idea seems so simple of a solution that its almost like Jonas have a "Jack moment." That whole action scene of Jack flying the X-302 with Stargate strapped to it was cool. That whole scene looked almost movie quality to me. I have a hard time believing Rya'c could steal a death glider when the planet is so heavily guraded and am left a little curious how they escaped the planet so easily when it was so heavily guraded

I agree with jelgate's post here. In fact, I wondered how Rya'c managed to steal a death glider as I saw that scene.

I love Jonas, I truly do.

jelgate
August 5th, 2018, 05:56 PM
I got tired of waiting for FH. Also im skipping part 1. I find a hard time separating the two parts. The whole episode fliws like a TV movie. It's also better than Stargate Continuum. I really like the episode balances out so everyone gets something to help save the planet. Even Tewlc. I guess the random insertion of Anubis is stange and I thought their should have been more Jonas. Im calling it an excellent

BethHG
August 6th, 2018, 05:19 PM
I totally agree with you!

Seaboe Muffinchucker
August 7th, 2018, 06:51 AM
This is one of my favorites (not skipping part 1, but treating 1 & 2 as a single episode) because for once they let Jack be funny and competent.

I will also post (for the third time) a picture of the real thing: 747 with a Phantom Ray (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Phantom_Ray_UCAV_on_the_Shuttle_Carrier_Aircraft.jpg/300px-Phantom_Ray_UCAV_on_the_Shuttle_Carrier_Aircraft.jpg). Just because I think it looks so cool, and because the FX folks in Stargate came so close to getting it right.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
August 9th, 2018, 10:44 AM
I got tired of waiting for FH.

Because yours truly was on vacation -- the Scottish highlands and coast, and infamous Loch Ness, though no sight of Nessie anywhere. And cool weather, no melting. And Pictish forts and stones, and medieval Jacobite castles, and battlefields, and York (you know, one half of the War of the Roses -- the white one in this case -- Lancaster is the red one, which we passed on our way up to Scotland).


Also im skipping part 1. I find a hard time separating the two parts. The whole episode fliws like a TV movie.

I watched both one after the other -- does make it hard to review them as two separate episodes. I apologize in advance if they mingle in the quiz.
Also, according to Robert Cooper in the Companion, Redemption was never intended as a two-part episode but the script was too long and then Brad discovered a genormous plothole in the middle so they rewrote it into a two-parter instead.

*******

The spinning intro is still there --- this does not bode well for the rest of the season. I initially thought this was going to be the season where I would get an intro with all the characters but alas... not yet... or possibly wrong season. Although I do remember there was a different intro on the downloads (yes, I pirated SG-1 when it aired in the US).

Anyway... part 2 continues with the troubles of part 1: Anubis is using our gate as a weapon, Teal'c and Bra'tac and Rya'c are trying to save the Tau'ri from Anubis' end of the wormhole, and Jonas is still being ignored while Carter has to find a way to work together with McKay and not be creeped out by his behavior. -- hashtagmetoo

It's quite action packed and the tension to counter Anubis' assault is rising. It puts everyone on edge but I so love it when Jonas is standing on the ramp and he's wondering how they got the gate inside, and Carter tells him and her eyes lit up and all he does is smile. Good boy, Jonas!

Why oh why didn't we think of this sooner... oh wait, we'd only have had one episode and no action-packed two-parter. I mean, Rya'c killing it in that glider. Don't underestimate the boy, Teal'c. :p

And Jonas gets to joing SG-1 (so that there isn't room for a Russian officer but meh... details)

How would you rate SG-1's "Redemption, Part 2?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

jelgate
August 9th, 2018, 11:01 AM
Im on vacation to. I opted to just stay home and do nothing. Well as much as the dogs let me

Falcon Horus
August 9th, 2018, 12:40 PM
Im on vacation to. I opted to just stay home and do nothing. Well as much as the dogs let me

I'm home now... until next week wednesday. Thursday is back to work day -- unfortunately. :(

jelgate
August 9th, 2018, 01:01 PM
Ive only got two more days left. Maybe I should be sick on Sunday

Falcon Horus
August 9th, 2018, 02:47 PM
3-episode quiz: Redemption I, Redemption II & Descent (https://goo.gl/forms/hTi6rxS2IvjbcvpB3)

Jigsaw puzzle: Redemption, part II (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=9SB6DUCW)

BethHG
August 9th, 2018, 07:24 PM
I would love to go to Scotland one day! It sounds like you had a great time, FH!

7:26

Who Knows
August 9th, 2018, 08:54 PM
8.53

Falcon Horus
August 10th, 2018, 03:01 AM
I would love to go to Scotland one day! It sounds like you had a great time, FH!

We had a blast. :D

Seaboe Muffinchucker
August 10th, 2018, 06:32 AM
I'll note for the record that York is not in Scotland. :D

I've been to York a lot as a relative by marriage lives there. I love walking the walls.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
August 10th, 2018, 04:17 PM
I'll note for the record that York is not in Scotland. :D

Well no, it was our stop on the way down back to London. Lancaster being the stop on the way up to Scotland. :)

We did a brief walk on the wall, on our way back to our B&B and the car still parked there.

jelgate
August 11th, 2018, 08:18 AM
If Who Knows beats me, I'm leaving

*later*

4 minutes 48 seconds

BethHG
August 11th, 2018, 08:42 AM
Who knows had a time of 8:53

jelgate
August 11th, 2018, 08:45 AM
This I know. Its better than he usually does

BethHG
August 11th, 2018, 09:18 AM
Then he should be applauded! :D

ReganX
August 17th, 2018, 12:48 PM
Another great episode.

I missed seeing Teal’c with the team, but his storyline was well-handled, and played a key role in the story, rather than his plotline being filler. I’m not overly keen on Rya’c as a character, but I thought that he was used effectively in this episode. It was a good coming of age story for him.

Sam and McKay play off one another very well in this episode. I think that it worked as an occasional thing, but it would not have had the same impact if McKay had stayed as a regular or if Sam had moved to Atlantis as a scientist rather than as leader. I could do without McKay’s comments about attraction, but it is to his credit that he was able to recognise that he had made a mistake, and also that he could admit to being jealous of Sam rather than hiding behind arrogance and bravado. For me, it humanises the character, and this episode made me receptive to the idea of McKay as a regular on Stargate: Atlantis.

I liked his speech about science being an art, and he’s quite right that Sam is an artist.

The plan to fly the stargate away from Earth was inspired. Nice job for both Sam and Jonas.

The sequence where Jack flies away with the stargate attached to the X-302 was wonderful. It was a great moment for Jack as a character too, showcasing his bravery, as well as his faith in Sam’s plans. It also showed that, while he may joke around at times, he can be serious when the situation calls for it, not to mention calm in an unbelievably high-pressure situation, so much so that he was able to think of using the hyperdrive.

He went above and beyond in this episode, and deserved the President’s offer of any assignment he wanted.

What I love about this episode was that saving Earth was a group effort. We have Sam, McKay and Jonas coming up with ideas, Jack flying the stargate away, and Teal’c, Bra’tac and Rya’c destroying the weapon, which allowed the SGC to resume operations with the Russian stargate.

The ending with Jonas on the team was lovely.

A second well-deserved Excellent for Season Six.



I'll have to give the jigsaw a shot tomorrow.

hedwig
August 17th, 2018, 06:31 PM
Puzzle: 9:16

Falcon Horus
October 28th, 2018, 02:04 PM
And part 2 is much faster done: 06:19