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GateWorld
February 8th, 2006, 07:34 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 214</FONT>
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Rousseau leads Sayid to a prisoner she has captured, believing him to be one of the "Others" -- prompting Sayid to go to great lengths to learn the truth of the man's identity, and bringing up memories of his first initiation as a torturer.

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manybleemsago
February 15th, 2006, 07:25 PM
It was great seeing Rousseau again. I hope they do more with that character.

This episode felt the most like what a Lost episode should be. My only complaint, and it's a big one, is the plot development that has Sayyid being seduced into becoming a torturer by Americans. Apparently, a 23 year old soldier in the employ of Saddam Hussein was never exposed to that kind of behavior until he met them nasty 'Mericans. BAER

Yeah, whatever.

:mckay:

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
February 15th, 2006, 07:33 PM
It was an interesting ep. All I want to know is when they are just going to let that clock hit zero, and not even try to type in the code. Here's what I think will happen when it hits zero: Video iPods pop out from the ceiling, and they find out that it's actually a reality show.

Red Tigress
February 15th, 2006, 07:36 PM
I thought it was really interesting that one army guy was most likely Kate's dad...connections and all that. But I just thought it was a great effect with Locke and Jack fighting and hearing Sayiid scream and the background...what great tension!

Osiris-RA
February 15th, 2006, 07:41 PM
Pretty good episode. I'm not much of a Sayid fan, but he's ok. His character's kind of funny to me, but he's cool.

1. Ana Lucia just walk away from seeing someone lurking in the woods? I'm sorry, isn't this our paranoid one of the Island? No, "Why, what you gonna do, I'm going with."?? Uh..*blink* a tweed out of character there...

2. Danielle! Whoot! She seemed a bit soft though...ok, very soft. Methinks the old Danielle would have tortured the chap herself...unless it was intended for Sayid to be the one to torture him...

3. Kate's daddy knowed Sayid! Whoo, another of them crossovers! Love it!

4. Would a soldier of another army so easily succumb to torturing one of his own for the enemy? What kind of allegiance is that? If a soldier was dedicated to whatever cause he was working towards, he'd rather be the torturee than do something like that just to save his own skin. Behavior like that, your people tend to brand you a coward.

5. The Glyphs, great stuff. I was hoping that like metal sheets would start slamming down over the walls and a console would unfurl from the floor and The Voice Of God would start counting down or something. Then Locke put them in anyway! What a blip! Ruined my fun! I'd have just let whatever go down and get it over with. But...then that's for the season finale, eh? :p

6. Sayid going nuts. Boy, you don't get him pissed easily, but you do he's a real peckerwood, ain't he? :p Then that mysterious look from that chap. Hot air baloon, huh? I have a feeling that's not the only source for hot air. All through that, I'm wondering, what IS it that's being hidden that these people would sacrifice themselves for it. It has to be something cosmically gigantic. And methinks that people from the Lostie's pasts are part of it. That chap tells Sayid he'll need his new 'skills' for later use? Is that so, Soldier...or is that...Agent? Or Official? Doctor, perhaps? Hmmmmmmmmmmm?

7. So Sayid was trained - or ratherm unleashed by Americanos, eh? ...I'm still trying to digest that he'd actually DO what the enemy tells him to. What kinda sissy is he?

Overall, great ep. The Glyphs were worth everything.

Red Tigress
February 15th, 2006, 07:47 PM
Well, the Americanos did have that tape of the guy he tortured killing all his family members in that village. Don't know if it was legit or not. That was one motivation. There might have been more they just didn't reveal. Though, I don't know for what purpose.

And a smiley-face air balloon? Come ON. That guy IS full of hot air, i totally agree. I started singing "99 Luft Balloons" under my breath. And if you had what you thought at the time was your own private island would you stay in a cave for FOUR MONTHS? Not likely.

Also, at the end with Sayid talking to Charlie, did anyone get the impression that Sayid was trying to recruit his own, Anti-Jack Army? could it be CIVIL WAR looming on the horizon?

Osiris-RA
February 15th, 2006, 07:55 PM
at the end with Sayid talking to Charlie, did anyone get the impression that Sayid was trying to recruit his own, Anti-Jack Army? could it be CIVIL WAR looming on the horizon?

Ah, thought I was the only one thinking that, lol. I can actually see more of a Civil War happening rather than a Losties vs The Others battle. The Losties already have so much dissention amoung them. Certainly not the stuff armies are made of. Everyone either has a grudge against each other or has blackmailed each other or something. The members of the Warmaking Panel seem to have different ideas about how to take the fight to the Others, and they dont' seem to trust each other much...time will tell.

Red Tigress
February 15th, 2006, 07:59 PM
Ah, thought I was the only one thinking that, lol. I can actually see more of a Civil War happening rather than a Losties vs The Others battle. The Losties already have so much dissention amoung them. Certainly not the stuff armies are made of. Everyone either has a grudge against each other or has blackmailed each other or something. The members of the Warmaking Panel seem to have different ideas about how to take the fight to the Others, and they dont' seem to trust each other much...time will tell.

The Others sure would be happy if all the Losties killed eachother off. And I think you're right, alot of them seem to have more beef with eachother than with any other group(s) on the island.

ShadowMaat
February 16th, 2006, 03:19 AM
I'd like to know if Tariq was actually in that video the Soldierboy showed Sayid, 'cause my first thought was, "The Americans did that, now they're just trying to pin it on Tariq."

If Balloon Guy had really been on the island for four months, wouldn't he have heard the plane crash? I mean, an airliner doesn't exactly break in half quietly and the pieces (and people) made a fair bit of noise on landing.

Dunno. Could be he was far enough away not to hear it, but what would be the point of bringing in an "outsider" at this point? And so soon after the Tailies were reuinited with the Fusies? ;)

I remain suspicious of our new friend. But mostly those damn hieroglyphics are driving me buggy. :P

MarshAngel
February 16th, 2006, 04:12 AM
I remain suspicious of our new friend. But mostly those damn hieroglyphics are driving me buggy.

Wishing you read Ancient Egyptian? So do I. I want to know what that was about too.

I love how Sawyer can't understand why anyone wouldn't be his friend this week :rolleyes: yeah. Can't imagine why myself.

I love Sayid and it's awesome to see him being focused on again but now I can't get the image of him dancing in that horrible movie Bride & Prejudice out of my head.

FoolishPleasure
February 16th, 2006, 04:50 AM
Really good episode, and I'm stumped about those red hieroglyphics.

I got the impression that Sayid had already been exposed to torture tactics previously as he seemed to know which impliments to pick up and what to do. I doubt the Americans gave him a crash course - he was picked for a reason, and it wasn't to translate, as we found out in the end.

More Rousseau! But she wasn't in it for long. Drats.

Sayid's prisoner - I would have asked him where the heck his balloon was. If he crashed on the island, the remnants of that balloon have to be somewhere.

Sayid going to Charlie. Smart move Sayid. Charlie knows where the guns are. ;)

Sawyer - sigh. Thought he was going to show some compassion. Frog murderer! :p

I love Hurley!

Thermonuclearboy
February 16th, 2006, 05:08 AM
Wild theories:

Rousseau knows more than she's telling. Rousseau is involved with the Dharma Inititative in some way, I'm sure of it. She may have been like Desmond, shipwrecked and then recruited into pushing the button, then going native when another person (Kelvin?) arrived. Or she may have been part of the original Dharma team before the Incident. The fact that she just HAPPENED to capture an Other and turn him over to Sayid says to me that she's manipulating him. For what purpose, I'm not sure yet. Maybe to bring war upon the Others.

I believe that our new friend is an Other, but I also don't believe that his story is false. Maybe he did crash-land on the Island and got "recruited" by the Others just like Rousseau's daughter Alex. "Mister Friendly," our bearded Other leader, doesn't act like he was born in a savage island society. He must have had another life before coming to the Island. Which implies that at least some of the Others weren't born on the Island, but had joined the group or had been kidnapped into it.

I believe that there is no disease. The only people we've heard discussing the disease have been Rousseau, who's a bit whacked; the new guy, who cannot be fully trusted anyway; and Desmond, who's been trapped in the bunker for years and would only have known what Kelvin had told him. I think the disease was a fabrication of the Dharma group, either as a cover story for the Incident or as a means to control their subjects.

These are my theories. They may yet be disproven.

ItsDan
February 16th, 2006, 07:03 AM
Didn't Sayid tell Hurley or someone in Season 1 that the americans trained him to torture?

FoolishPleasure
February 16th, 2006, 08:24 AM
Didn't Sayid tell Hurley or someone in Season 1 that the americans trained him to torture?
You may be right. I don't have the season 1 DVD's to review.

The "Other" guy's last name was Gale. Remember Dorothy Gale. ."Wizard of Oz" Dorothy. Plus, the Wizard escaped Oz in a balloon. *LOL*

yaaayoubetcha
February 16th, 2006, 09:58 AM
really wish there was a screen cap of the hieroglyphs.

Red Tigress
February 16th, 2006, 10:10 AM
really wish there was a screen cap of the hieroglyphs.
Somebody took one. I think it's in this thread:

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=24277

FoolishPleasure
February 16th, 2006, 10:14 AM
really wish there was a screen cap of the hieroglyphs.
I got into thefuselage briefly around noon, and they did have screen caps up and were discussing the Egyptian stuff, then I got booted out again. Since then I just get ye olde "server busy" stuff. The consensus seemed to be one of the glyphs represented the word "die". There was argument about the rest of it.

Red Tigress
February 16th, 2006, 10:17 AM
I got into thefuselage briefly around noon, and they did have screen caps up and were discussing the Egyptian stuff, then I got booted out again. Since then I just get ye olde "server busy" stuff. The consensus seemed to be one of the glyphs represented the word "die". There was argument about the rest of it.

"Die"? That's kinda...freaky. Once again, I still like the "depart" theory, but uh, die could work too. Keep us updated!

V-MAN
February 16th, 2006, 12:42 PM
Finally found out why Hurley is still a fat<mod snip> he has a food stash that none knew about.

Red Tigress
February 16th, 2006, 01:41 PM
Do you think he's had it there the entire time he's known about the Hatch? I would have thought animals would get into or someone else would find it... It's also a little weird no one's noticed it missing.

ShadowMaat
February 16th, 2006, 01:44 PM
Hurley was in charge of inventorying the food. Folks can't miss what they didn't know they had. ;)

I AM a bit disappointed in him, though. All that fussing about being afraid people will hate him and he does the one thing guaranteed to piss off a lot of people if they find out.

Red Tigress
February 16th, 2006, 03:18 PM
Oh right, i forgot he was in charge of that. I still think it's horrible that Sawyer crushed that frog in front of him, though. The look on his face...and also about his mom throwing away his turtle. What a horrible childhood!

VirtualCLD
February 16th, 2006, 04:54 PM
I obviosuly wasn't paying too much attention to the episode. It took me several minutes to realize that the CIA-type American that "recruited" Sayid was one of the Others (the guy that was on the boat when Sawyer was shot and the guy who talked to Jack). Of course, now we really know that he ain't a nice guy, but I wonder how he came to be on the island.

Red Tigress
February 16th, 2006, 05:03 PM
Are you sure? It didn't look like the same guy to me. Can we find any screen caps to compare the two?

VirtualCLD
February 16th, 2006, 05:15 PM
Not just the look, but the voice, that's what I first recognized. I kept thinking, "I've seen this actor before, where have I seen him? I think it was on another show, in jungle maybe, a jungle on an island, with torches. Couldn't be survivor becauseI don't watch that... wait, it was Lost, I saw him on Lost... what show am I watching again? Oh, Lost... Hey!!"

Red Tigress
February 16th, 2006, 05:19 PM
Not just the look, but the voice, that's what I first recognized. I kept thinking, "I've seen this actor before, where have I seen him? I think it was on another show, in jungle maybe, a jungle on an island, with torches. Couldn't be survivor becauseI don't watch that... wait, it was Lost, I saw him on Lost... what show am I watching again? Oh, Lost... Hey!!"


:lol: That's as logical conclusion as any, I suppose. In any case, I'd still like to see some pics. I have to keep an eye out for these "Others" you speak of... :cameron:

Thermonuclearboy
February 16th, 2006, 05:23 PM
I obviosuly wasn't paying too much attention to the episode. It took me several minutes to realize that the CIA-type American that "recruited" Sayid was one of the Others (the guy that was on the boat when Sawyer was shot and the guy who talked to Jack). Of course, now we really know that he ain't a nice guy, but I wonder how he came to be on the island.

That's not him. It's a different actor and a different character altogether.

VirtualCLD
February 16th, 2006, 05:34 PM
Maybe you're right. Anybody know the actor's name who played that CIA-type guy?

EDIT: So the bearded man, as he's reffered to in teh credits, who is with The Otehrs, is played by M.C. Gainey, and his name is not listed in the credits as the CIA guy (I'll just call him that now). So my question still remains, what actor played the CIA guy, because he sounds familiar (as in I saw/heard him in anohter show), but I can't place his voice.

MarshAngel
February 16th, 2006, 05:50 PM
The CIA guy is Clancy Brown. He played brother Justin in HBO's Carnivale. He has a very distinctive voice.

Red Tigress
February 16th, 2006, 05:53 PM
Mystery solved! Hooray! :cameron:

Now we just need to solve the mystery of why Sawyer's such a jerk to tree frogs...

MarshAngel
February 16th, 2006, 06:21 PM
Mystery solved! Hooray! :cameron:

Now we just need to solve the mystery of why Sawyer's such a jerk to tree frogs...
There's no mystery. Sawyer's a jerk, period. We're just occasionally confused by his pretty face and flirty accent.

Red Tigress
February 16th, 2006, 07:23 PM
There's no mystery. Sawyer's a jerk, period. We're just occasionally confused by his pretty face and flirty accent.

Aw man, that gets me every time.;)

V-MAN
February 17th, 2006, 12:38 AM
Maybe you're right. Anybody know the actor's name who played that CIA-type guy?

EDIT: So the bearded man, as he's reffered to in teh credits, who is with The Otehrs, is played by M.C. Gainey, and his name is not listed in the credits as the CIA guy (I'll just call him that now). So my question still remains, what actor played the CIA guy, because he sounds familiar (as in I saw/heard him in anohter show), but I can't place his voice.

He's been in quite a few films as well, Shawshank Redemption (Captain Byron T. Hadley) and Starship Troopers (Sergeant Zim).

warmbeachbrat
February 17th, 2006, 06:38 AM
He's been in quite a few films as well, Shawshank Redemption (Captain Byron T. Hadley) and Starship Troopers (Sergeant Zim).

I remember him most from Earth 2 (a show that was killed way before its time) and the Highlander movie (playing the really disgusting bad guy).

VirtualCLD
February 17th, 2006, 08:35 AM
Still, I think that would have benn very Lost-esque is the Bearded Guy and the CIA guy were one in the same. Maybe that would have been too Lost-esque though.

Part of me wants to believe that we haven't see the last of that CIA guy, actually, come to think of it, I may have seen him in the credits of an upcoming episode, but that could be wishfull dellusion. It's very possible that he's just some random guest star who played the role of someone from one of the survivor's pasts, but Lost is rarely "random" or "coincidental."

Tok'Ra Hostess
February 17th, 2006, 08:54 AM
really wish there was a screen cap of the hieroglyphs.

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1615

click on the photo for more.

Nyarlathotep
February 17th, 2006, 09:46 AM
Not just the look, but the voice, that's what I first recognized. I kept thinking, "I've seen this actor before, where have I seen him? I think it was on another show, in jungle maybe, a jungle on an island, with torches. Couldn't be survivor becauseI don't watch that... wait, it was Lost, I saw him on Lost... what show am I watching again? Oh, Lost... Hey!!"

Yeah, he was The Kurgan in Highlander and was also in an episode of Enterprise.

As you can tell, he gets around a bit :)

99.9% sure he hasn't been in Lost before though.

As for the ep - thought it was great! Reminded me why I started watching this show in the first place - man, was I annoyed when Locke got the code in in time :)

Tiret
February 18th, 2006, 12:05 PM
Now we just need to solve the mystery of why Sawyer's such a jerk to tree frogs...
Oh! That made me so mad! I really hoped he wasn't going to actually do that. The minute he realized he'd been caught acting like a decent human being (petting the frog, seeming to let it grow on him) he has to compulsively go and crush the poor thing! He really wants everyone to hate him. Guilty, guilty Sawyer. To hurt the poor little froggy! I say...KILL THE MURDERER!!! (No, not really. But I would sure slap him.)

Red Tigress
February 18th, 2006, 11:15 PM
Oh! That made me so mad! I really hoped he wasn't going to actually do that. The minute he realized he'd been caught acting like a decent human being (petting the frog, seeming to let it grow on him) he has to compulsively go and crush the poor thing! He really wants everyone to hate him. Guilty, guilty Sawyer. To hurt the poor little froggy! I say...KILL THE MURDERER!!! (No, not really. But I would sure slap him.)

I'd probably leave frog guts in his tent everynight for a week, as payback. It's probably really hard to get the smell out, too.

Tok'Ra Hostess
February 19th, 2006, 05:19 AM
I'd probably leave frog guts in his tent everynight for a week, as payback. It's probably really hard to get the smell out, too.


Somehow I just can't picture Hurley crushing tree frogs for their guts, though, even if it is for a worthy cause. :mad:

I think it's time Hurley and Locke team up to teach this brute a lesson. Hurley could bring the frogs and Locke the hallucinagens.

A plague of frogs... giant, noisy....:D

ShadowMaat
February 19th, 2006, 07:05 AM
I actually liked the gratuitous frog violence. But really, Hurley kinda sealed the frog's fate with all his talk about it going off and finding a nice girl frog and settling down 'cause that would automatically entail dozens (or hundreds) of little baby frogs all interrupting Sawyer's peaceful afternoon. :P One frog is bad enough, but DOZENS?! Good on him for snuffing out the wee froggy life before it became a multiple frogicide. ;)

Red Tigress
February 19th, 2006, 04:24 PM
Somehow I just can't picture Hurley crushing tree frogs for their guts, though, even if it is for a worthy cause. :mad:

I think it's time Hurley and Locke team up to teach this brute a lesson. Hurley could bring the frogs and Locke the hallucinagens.

A plague of frogs... giant, noisy....:D

Oh man, he'd rue the day he ever crushed a tree frog!!! :D

Metarock Sam
July 20th, 2006, 01:45 AM
This was sucha brilliant episode and definatly had the old lost feel to it.
Sayids flashbacks were great and really worked in this story. Some episodes have the feeling where we want to see whats happening in the flashbacks and not the episodes or vice versa but these flashbacks worked very niceley.

It was good seeing Kate's Dad. This is interesting cos in the last episode Sawyer breifley met Kate's Mum. Perhaps the show is trying to make out that all the characters revolve around Kate :P.

Good to See Rousseau again although she definatly should have been in the episode longer and if she really thought that Henry Gale was an other she would have tortured him like she did to Sayid unless she thought Sayid was better at torturing people which is why she handed Gale over to him.

sidenote: Henry Gale I believe is the name of Dorothy's uncle in the Wizard of OZ.
I believe Hery is an other. This is because of that look at the end he gave Sayid.

The Heiroglyphs were spoooky. I just cant wait for them to actually let the button countdown all the way to 0 and not input the code.

all in all a fantastic episode with a real LOST feel to it. 10/10.