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GateWorld
February 8th, 2006, 08:31 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 213</FONT>
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Sun is injured in a failed abduction, leading the castaways to fear that the Others may have returned. Jack and Ana Lucia have trouble finding volunteers for their army, and Sawyer recalls a past con.

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Morbo
February 8th, 2006, 08:54 PM
I posted this in the main part of the forum because this thread wasn't made yet, so here's a link to it.
it has to do with the episode, and its kind of interesting:

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=23882

CougRon
February 9th, 2006, 01:35 AM
Well, so much for Sawyer turning into a good guy.

I figured out right away that Sawyer had an accomplace in getting the guns but I guessed wrong. I was thinking it would be Anna Lucia (she thinks everyone is not afraid enough and showed a lot of interest in getting access) but I was rather shocked when it turned out to be Charley.

Cinephilic TV Addict
February 9th, 2006, 04:13 AM
This is the best ep of s2 so far. this is one of the few from the season that actually deserved to be on the air.

FoolishPleasure
February 9th, 2006, 05:24 AM
Certain gave us a whole new spin on Sawyer, and Holloway certainly got to show what kind of actor he is.

That whole Sawyer/Charlie thing at the end was spooky and sets things up to be quite interesting down the road.

Good to see Sayid coming out of his funk and working with Hurley.

Excellent episode!

Vee
February 9th, 2006, 10:28 AM
Fantastic episode. Certainly my favorite of season two by far.

Sawyer was a scumbag. Good. I don't want to see him turn into Golly Gee Willikers Mr. nice guy. It's not who he is and I thought the story on the island along with his flashback were very true to character. I find his motivations ambiguous at best. Which is exactly why I like him so much. It does seem as if he wants to be hated. I'm not sure he would know how to cope with being accepted by everyone in the group. He's stuck in a strange place with no apparent escape so he clings to the only familiar thing he has: running a con.

The agreement with Charlie was quite creepy. The scene at the end in the jungle sent chills down my spine. I'm intrigued at the possible avenues this story has opened up.

Locke's motives are still baffling. He seems to be plotting something. He's always been a rather mysterious character but has been even more so lately. What exactly is he doing? Is he trying to protect everyone or is he up to something else? Interesting.

Overall a really great episode. I was very disappointed in the last episode and am somewhat gratified to see Lost back in form.

ItsDan
February 9th, 2006, 12:01 PM
Sawyer has an interesting way of doing good things in a way that people can still hate him for it. Sawyer actually saved the group by taking the guns away, not letting them attack the others.

Jack is taking a major turn from the cool, resposible doctor, to a more vengeful character. Jack many episodes ago would never have handed a gun out to Jin to go after the others (not that he did of course, but he wanted to).

Charlie is definately pissed at Locke and has his own motivations. Jack is clearly upset at Kate for making him walk away from Michael, from getting more out of the others, etc.

Finally this season is getting interesting. Hey maybe next week we can see the same exact thing but from Charlie's point of view!

cindyz
February 9th, 2006, 02:18 PM
A complete and total shake up!! I agree that Jack is becoming a pain in the mikta...and Locke...is up to something.....Charlie's jealous....how typical of him...he really isn't a bad egg...now Sawyer...hmmm that boy just got more interesting.....poor Kate...she has no idea what she is in for!. I believe Sawyer really does love her.....and where is Mr. Eko? oh and good for Charlie to turn down the drugs from Sawyer...although he did look tempted!

SG1Atlantis
February 9th, 2006, 02:36 PM
Very good episode. Nice plot twist at the end with Charlie. I would have been a little more surpising if they put him in more scenes in the episode, even just in the background. They he wouldn't have been "suspiciously absent" though no one seemed to notice. I still didn't see it coming though.

I personally don't think Sawyers "gone bad" (well bader) like some people have said. I think he's just fed up with Jack and Locke running everything. He only took the guns so he could start having some control over what's gonna happen with the whole "army" thing and everything else thats been happening. And who could blame him? After the whole hunting party thing and constantly taking orders from Jack and Locke, its gotta get to him. He probably only made the deal with Charlie b/c he knew it would help him gain that leverage. Charlie gets revenge on Locke and Sawyer gets a position of power.

Still gotta wonder how they got the guns if Locke was moving them and w/out him seeing them take um.
It's nice to see the regular feel of Lost coming back. Just hope they keep it up.

Vee
February 9th, 2006, 02:46 PM
Did anyone else notice Kate's mother in Sawyer's diner flashback? Small world.

erinanderson
February 9th, 2006, 05:21 PM
Did anyone else notice Kate's mother in Sawyer's diner flashback? Small world.

Really? Wow....I think I'll have to go watch that episode again and see if I can spot her. Definitely one of my faves for season two, I love how multi-demensional they make Sawyer's character to be, you wanna like him but at the same time you can't, you don't know what drives him to be the way he is. I didn't want to see him get all lovey dovey with Kate, that's just not his way. I like how Jack is changing and becoming less one demensional. He has a vengeful side along with the whole wanna save everyone thing. I want to know see more of Charlie going dark side on us. That was quite the twist, something I didn't see coming. I totally thought Ana Lucia would be the one, but she may turn out more goody two shoes than we think. Great episode, can't wait till next week!

wizelf
February 9th, 2006, 10:31 PM
This was a great show! I somehow figured Charlie had something to do from the start of the show, but I didn't expect Sawyer to have planned the whole thing. That ending was creepy!

If they found Charlie dragged Sun, they are going to kill him. Perhaps Sawyer will blackmail Charlie in the future?:eek:

Red Tigress
February 12th, 2006, 10:23 PM
I have to agree with Charlie plot twist. The group I watch it with all had a "Woah, no way!!" moment. And as for Kate accusing that Sawyer wanted everyone to hate him...why do you think that is? It was also a nice change to see Locke at a total loss as to what to do for a change. The look on his and Jack's face when Sawyer's plot was finally unveiled was priceless.

Fatewarns
February 14th, 2006, 05:26 PM
I think it shows Sawyer is very complex.

NotAscended
February 14th, 2006, 11:36 PM
Sawyer has an interesting way of doing good things in a way that people can still hate him for it. Sawyer actually saved the group by taking the guns away, not letting them attack the others.



Interesting observation. I must admit, I almost cheered when Bad-boy Sawyer returned to the screen, just because I was glad to see him being back to his bad self. But you're right ... he was actually doing a good thing, in taking away the tools the group would have used to just go and get themselves killed.

If nothing else, this episode showed that Sawyer is much, much smarter than he generally lets on.

Morbo
February 15th, 2006, 07:10 AM
i don't think taking the guns away had anything to do with him being smart and saving the group at all.

sawyer is a selfish man. he wants whats his, and he's not afriad to take what others need. look at what he is. he's a con man. he whole life is a lie.
he never has other peoples best interests in mind (usually).
he took the guns because its something they want. it's something they need. and now, they need to go to him to get it.
kate said it i think, he wanted to find a way for people to hate him again. because its who he is.
he was smart, yes, in the way he manage to con locke, and jack, and get charlie to help him steal and hide the guns. but that move had nothing to do with keeping the others from going out and getting killed.

FeloniousMonk
February 15th, 2006, 11:28 AM
At the beginning of Sawyer's speech I thought for a moment that he was going to reveal himself to be one of the Others. After his speech I made a comment to my roommates: "See? Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns."

Had Jack and Locke distributed the weapons and trained everyone to use them this situation would've been diffused. There's no need for Jack's "army", just simple firearm safety training and shooting instruction for those who want it (which Locke and Sayid would seem to be the best to offer though for all we know there's a lifelong NRA member among the survivors).

Instead they allow one of the few known criminals to be the only one with access to any weapons. Sawyer isn't going to start rounding up folks and killing them any time soon but he still shouldn't be the only one in control of the guns. Jack and Locke made a very stupid mistake in this case.

raqqers
February 15th, 2006, 02:22 PM
Loved this episode!! My fave so far this season too!
Sawyer was getting 'too nice' ...great to see bad boy Sawyer back :)

ItsDan
February 16th, 2006, 08:08 AM
Had Jack and Locke distributed the weapons and trained everyone to use them this situation would've been diffused. There's no need for Jack's "army", just simple firearm safety training and shooting instruction for those who want it (which Locke and Sayid would seem to be the best to offer though for all we know there's a lifelong NRA member among the survivors).


Half of them would be dead right now. There have been too many times where people have been VERY upset with other survivors, and if access to them was too easy, and the person too emotional, someone could end up dead.

FeloniousMonk
March 15th, 2006, 11:44 AM
Half of them would be dead right now. There have been too many times where people have been VERY upset with other survivors, and if access to them was too easy, and the person too emotional, someone could end up dead.
Half of them? Please.

By the time the weapons were discovered many of those events you mentioned had been resolved. When the weapons were discovered everyone should have been notified and those with training should've taken it upon themselves to train the others and then allow for an even distribution of the weapons.

The little society they have going on there is already disgusting as it is. Jack is a damn emperor, forcing his own decisions upon everyone else. There's no voting or discussion on issues; Jack and Locke just hide information from each and from everyone else. Were I in a situation like you can be damned sure that there would be some kind of democratic process to make decisions and choose leaders.

Then again that wouldn't make for interesting storylines.