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    The Daedalus Spoilers for Conversion, The Hive and Critical Mass

    Col. Caldwell was complaining that the constant traveling between galaxies is taking its toll on the Daedalus, especially when they push the engines. Why dont tptb just add another hyperdrive on the next ship that comes out. That way they'll have one intergalactic and one regular-galactic hyperdrive. They'd only then use the intergalactic one for traveling between galaxies. Then when they're not in a hurry to get somewhere in a galaxy they use the non-intergalactic. That way it'll give the intergalactic drive more time to cool down.

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    A better idea would be to use the Daedalus, as oh i don't know, a battleship! instead of intergalactic taxi service. Its really a waste of manpower and resources to constantly having it shuttle back and forth between earth and atlantis. Have it stay there and only make the trip back and forth every couple months or so. Atlantis can still send reports back to earth through the gate and communicate with them regularly, radio signals can travel both ways through the gate. Constantly having the Daedalus leaving and returning to the same system is a good way to tip the wraith off Atlantis is still intact and what was the point of spending tens of billions of dollars on Daedalus and the combined hundreds of thousands of man hours training her crew just to use them as a ferry? They could have built a real transport ship with greater capacity and efficiency for a fraction of the cost and time as for Daedalus. Daedalus is never around when it's needed because it is always in transit to and from earth. Keep it at Atlantis and use it for support and defense of their operations. And build a real transport ship for travel between the galaxies if needed.

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      #3
      Originally posted by freyr's mother
      Col. Caldwell was complaining that the constant traveling between galaxies is taking its toll on the Daedalus, especially when they push the engines. Why dont tptb just add another hyperdrive on the next ship that comes out. That way they'll have one intergalactic and one regular-galactic hyperdrive. They'd only then use the intergalactic one for traveling between galaxies. Then when they're not in a hurry to get somewhere in a galaxy they use the non-intergalactic. That way it'll give the intergalactic drive more time to cool down.
      For the exact same reason that in 'Aurora', the Ancients were upgrading their standard drive to Intergalactic. Not to use it in another galaxy, simply because it's more powerful & also allows for far quicker travel times within the same galaxy.

      Simply put, stop Daedalus doing such regular runs, keep it in Pegasus. Then have it go back 2/3 times per year maximum. This keeps them fairly isolated from Earth again, which gives it back it's isolated look & feel that S1 had. They can simply put it down to too much usage on the drive. Daedalus can then be used to explore the Pegasus galaxy for most of the year instead of being an intergalactic ferry service, which really serves no purpose other than giving the staff more time back home. However if you consider that they would be a chosen select few 'Best of the best' then getting the chance to study in another galaxy with some of the most advanced tech that's beyond their wildest comprehension. Then a few more months back home wouldn't be much of a sacrifice, would it!

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        #4
        Originally posted by freyr's mother
        Col. Caldwell was complaining that the constant traveling between galaxies is taking its toll on the Daedalus, especially when they push the engines. Why dont tptb just add another hyperdrive on the next ship that comes out. That way they'll have one intergalactic and one regular-galactic hyperdrive. They'd only then use the intergalactic one for traveling between galaxies. Then when they're not in a hurry to get somewhere in a galaxy they use the non-intergalactic. That way it'll give the intergalactic drive more time to cool down.
        Or, why not just put intergalactic hyperdrives in all our battle cruisers...

        But I think the idea of building an actual cargo ship with a larger capacity is a good idea.

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          #5
          its the only idea,the deadalus is a warship, if its not going to be used kicking wraith ass it should be used kicking prior ass.
          its not that hard to mock up a cargo ship, create a massive, flimsy ship constrcuted of leftover trinium and naquadah from 303 production, add an alkesh hyperdrive, light shielding and some sublight drives, add one or two rail gun fro light defence and bingo there ya go...you get the promethius X version, but hey it would of been a much smart move to have the prommie do the ferrying.
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            #6
            Originally posted by jenks
            Or, why not just put intergalactic hyperdrives in all our battle cruisers...

            But I think the idea of building an actual cargo ship with a larger capacity is a good idea.
            That's what they have done, they all have Intergalactic capabilities now, even Prometheus which actually has the exact same Hyperdrive as Daedalus.

            Cargo ships aren't a good idea, simply because they will be far larger & so will need far more power to even go at the same sppeds as Daedalus. If they already had that extra power then I'm sure they'd be using it on Daedalus to boost the shields & drive, much like the ZPM could take it down to 4 days from 18 originally.

            So they would need to build them like cruisers to even have a chance of making it, rather than making it defenceless. It needs 302's Rail Guns, Warheads etc even to just stand any sort of attack against an incoming enemy. So unless they find an Ancient transport ship of sorts, then it really isn't a plausible idea with the Wraith hovering around.

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              #7
              my point being that cargo vessel in fact any kind of vehicle specialisaton is better than having one type of ship any trying to have that perform every concievable operation.
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                #8
                Originally posted by Wraith_Hunter
                That's what they have done, they all have Intergalactic capabilities now, even Prometheus which actually has the exact same Hyperdrive as Daedalus.

                Cargo ships aren't a good idea, simply because they will be far larger & so will need far more power to even go at the same sppeds as Daedalus. If they already had that extra power then I'm sure they'd be using it on Daedalus to boost the shields & drive, much like the ZPM could take it down to 4 days from 18 originally.

                So they would need to build them like cruisers to even have a chance of making it, rather than making it defenceless. It needs 302's Rail Guns, Warheads etc even to just stand any sort of attack against an incoming enemy. So unless they find an Ancient transport ship of sorts, then it really isn't a plausible idea with the Wraith hovering around.
                A ship specifically designed as a cargo ship could still be far smaller than Daedalus or Prometheus and still have a larger capacity. 90% of the battleships bulks are likely given over to all the various weapons and science systems as well as ammo support plus the 302 bays and support facilities. A cargo ship would just need to be a series of big empty rooms for holding lots of pallets and then some engines, shields and a bridge. So they could have the same power systems as the Battleships and operate just fine with the same hyperdrives.

                The cargo ships would not need signifigant defensive capabilities at all. Our hyperdrives are Asgard, they are really really really fast. The Wraith can not even come close to matching our ships speeds in hyperspace. By the time a Wraith ship detected the cargo ship it would have come and gone and the Wraith would never be able to catch up. As long as the ship varied its route each trip the Wraith would never be able to stop them.

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                  #9
                  why vary the route even, i highly doubt that a race with a worse hyperdrive than i could construct would be capable of even detecting hyperspace trails or windows forming...at present only the asgard have had that ability.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by immhotep
                    why vary the route even, i highly doubt that a race with a worse hyperdrive than i could construct would be capable of even detecting hyperspace trails or windows forming...at present only the asgard have had that ability.
                    Yes but on the off chance that they can they can't lay some sort of trap (yes I know given how pathetic the wraith have been shown it is extremely unlikely, im just speaking in hypotheticals) and by varying the route it prevents them from being able to predict where the chip keeps going so suspicion is drawn away from Atlantises system. Even with how abysmally stupid the wraith are if ships keep going in an out of the system along the same path they may start to wonder why since atlantis is supposedly destroyed. I would say that they should set protocal that the ship must have some point in an empty stargateless system or in space between systems be the first stop when comming into Pegasus and then a series of zig zaggin jumps be taken to various systems or spaces between systems before jumping straight to Atlantis to ward against the possibility of being scanned. I know its extreme but given the fact that Wraith techology and capabilities varies wildly from each episode from incredibly powerful and cunningly intelligent to patheticlly weak and stupider than a pet rock its entirely possible that the writers would make it possible.

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                      #11
                      i think the likely hood of them detecting the multiple energy burst in the zig zagging is more likely than them detecting one straight path. it takes energy to open the window if 5 massive bursts of energy are reported within day or hour of each other regularly thr wraith bound to investigate wheras if on energy burst regularly is activated in old lantian space then the wraith are less likely tovestigate given that they would assume the energy burst is just leftover technology form the deadalus or the atlantis blow up, or just from good ol alteran leftovers.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by spg_1983
                        Yes but on the off chance that they can they can't lay some sort of trap (yes I know given how pathetic the wraith have been shown it is extremely unlikely, im just speaking in hypotheticals) and by varying the route it prevents them from being able to predict where the chip keeps going so suspicion is drawn away from Atlantises system. Even with how abysmally stupid the wraith are if ships keep going in an out of the system along the same path they may start to wonder why since atlantis is supposedly destroyed. I would say that they should set protocal that the ship must have some point in an empty stargateless system or in space between systems be the first stop when comming into Pegasus and then a series of zig zaggin jumps be taken to various systems or spaces between systems before jumping straight to Atlantis to ward against the possibility of being scanned. I know its extreme but given the fact that Wraith techology and capabilities varies wildly from each episode from incredibly powerful and cunningly intelligent to patheticlly weak and stupider than a pet rock its entirely possible that the writers would make it possible.
                        Zigzagging around the galaxy would just increase the chances of being detected.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by immhotep
                          i think the likely hood of them detecting the multiple energy burst in the zig zagging is more likely than them detecting one straight path. it takes energy to open the window if 5 massive bursts of energy are reported within day or hour of each other regularly thr wraith bound to investigate wheras if on energy burst regularly is activated in old lantian space then the wraith are less likely tovestigate given that they would assume the energy burst is just leftover technology form the deadalus or the atlantis blow up, or just from good ol alteran leftovers.
                          Im not saying they should just pick random points, it would be prescouted points and systems to be sure they are free of wraith. That way if the wraith can detect the ship passing by in hyper they cant plot its course.

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                            #14
                            Hyperspace in SG isn't like Hyperspace in SW is it? I thought they could adjust their heading while they were in Hyperspace. They have shown that they can detect things along their path and drop out failry easy while in hyperspace, and I think there is an episode where Bra'tac and Teal'c adjust course in a Ha'tak while in Hyperspace without dropping out. Am I mistaken?

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                              #15
                              No, I think you're right. I'm pretty sure they can too.

                              They just need to get their hands on another ZPM to power the gate. Or rig up a few mk naquada generators to power the gate maybe.

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