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    Scientific Space Time (Enigma)

    Hi all, im having trouble understand what space time 'Omac' from Enigma
    (1:16) was talking about, (in red) here: ( http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s1/transcripts/116.shtml )

    -- Outside Mountain Complex --

    The starry sky is shown. Omac, and Danny walk thru a clearing.

    OMOC: The co-ordinates.

    Danny hands him a notebook. He looks at it, and takes some device off of his arm, and puts it on the ground. He activates it, and it hums, and a light shines up. Danny watches as the light shoots up, and disappears into the starry sky.

    JACKSON: Listen, I'm no astronomer, but won't that take thousands of years to reach the Nox world?

    OMOC: Why would it?

    JACKSON: Well, that's just a laser, right? I mean... light takes a long time to travel that far.

    OMOC: (Takes a twig in his hands) The distance between these two points seems far. Until you do this. (He bends the twig to where the ends meet)

    JACKSON: OK... OK, I remember this from college physics. One of our scientists, Einstein, explained this the same way. You are talking about actually folding space.

    OMOC: No. You wouldn't understand.

    JACKSON: No, I guess not. I just hope the Nox do.

    The shot goes to over their heads, they are looking up. Shot then goes to the sky.



    How could he send the message that fast if he is not bending space time???

    I need help with this one big time....any speculations would be great!
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    #2
    its sumthing about bending space like creating wormholes in another way then using the stargate....

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      #3
      I think it was meant to be funnier more than anything, simply stating that whatever concepts the 'laser' employed were far beyond what he would understand.
      "For now, you are in need of food and rest, and I am in need of armor"

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        #4
        Originally posted by Morphiex
        its sumthing about bending space like creating wormholes in another way then using the stargate....
        Yes, and the power reguirements would not be so great either, so it could fit in that small device.

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          #5
          ftl

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            #6
            Originally posted by Morphiex
            its sumthing about bending space like creating wormholes in another way then using the stargate....
            Thats not right, because Omac said it 'was not' bending/folding space time...so if he isant folding bending space, what is he doin?
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              #7
              Maybe that's not what Omac meant. To me it seems more like Omac wasn't saying that that's not how it worked, he was just frustrated with Daniel's "primitive" choice of words. It's like if I tried to explain relativity to someone and they responded "oh so speedy stuff gets heavy" I might just give up on it explaining it.

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                #8
                It's like if I tried to explain relativity to someone and they responded "oh so speedy stuff gets heavy" I might just give up on it explaining it.

                He picked up a stick from the ground and bent it. I think he was prepared for the 'kindergarten explanation' route .
                "For now, you are in need of food and rest, and I am in need of armor"

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                  #9
                  ah the tollan, so arrogant. Sry but it's not like a wormhole, because a wormhole doesn't fold/bend space. I think it's more on the lines of a type of Sub space ftl communication device that Omac figures us privimitve humans wouldn't understand. Even though were not so prmitive now lol

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by adk06
                    ah the tollan, so arrogant. Sry but it's not like a wormhole, because a wormhole doesn't fold/bend space. I think it's more on the lines of a type of Sub space ftl communication device that Omac figures us privimitve humans wouldn't understand. Even though were not so prmitive now lol

                    fold and bend space is exactly what a wormhole does...

                    you have two point in space but the lenght between the two points is considerably loong , so then you fold space to bring the two points closer toghether and by doing so , u create a rip in space wich is the "hole" , and thus you have a tunnel from point a to point b .....

                    that is the basic idea of what a wormhole does....

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                      #11
                      I think it as has to do with bending space. It is different because he is sending information and not an actual solid object. That, and it was writen in to make them look that much more advanced.

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                        #12
                        another thing to remember is the tollans at that point were very against telling any less advanced people anything about their technology,

                        so while danial might have been basicly right and he was bending space omac prob didn't wanna tell him anything while they were still trapped on earth where they technology was kind of vulnerable to being stolen

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                          #13
                          I always figured that the signal didn't actually travel through 'normal' space anyways. I was thinking it probably tunneled through subspace. What is the fastest way to china? A trip over the surface of the Earth, or tunneling through it? Subspace is a bit similiar, as the universe is shaped like a balloon in essence. The 'surface' of the balloon/universe is what we think of as space, but the area 'beneath' or 'inside' the balloon would be like subspace/hyperspace. If you tunnel through the shorter route by going 'beneath' normal space, you can make the trip much faster.
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                            #14
                            You do know that china isn't on the other side of the world right? Or well depends on where you are.

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                              #15
                              How about Like a radio signal travels faster than a physical object. Or a high speed internet connection that travels in packets of information. Then instead of just folding or bending space, it's like a slinky, where it stretches and collaspes in on itself, then like a bow and arrow where the tension is built up along the bow string and ZAP. Kind of like a combination effect if any of this is possible.. Just a wild thought.

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