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GateGipsy
April 30th, 2004, 07:38 AM
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MAJOR JOHN SHEPPARD
PLAYED BY - Joe Flanigan (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Flanigan,+Joe)
A gifted military pilot, posted at McMurdoch Air Force Base because it's the only place they will let him fly; Sheppard once defied a direct order and flew his helicopter to rescue two Rangers trapped behind enemy lines. Though people might see a good-ol' boy exterior, he is also a closet mathematical genius. He has a wry sense of humor and likes to pretend he's not as smart as he really is.
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Most of the time a perfect gentlemen -- who tries his best to be charming -- when he's pushed to fight he can be an absolute animal with single-minded purpose. He distrusts authority and always goes with his gut, letting his strong sense of common sense morality lead his actions. The character is listed as being between 35 and 40 years old.

http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/graphics/char_sheppard.jpg

jenniferhailey
May 3rd, 2004, 10:01 AM
Now he should be a good character! He looks a bit young to be commanding the Atlantis project though.

But, he's handsome and it seems he's probably a good actor, so... :)

ShadowMaat
May 3rd, 2004, 10:10 AM
Loved him on Cupid! Well... as much as you can love a character who's in direct competition with the lead (Jeremy Pivien) whom you love even more and want desperately to win... ;) Will be interesting to see Joe in this role...

Teal'c
May 3rd, 2004, 01:33 PM
He was good in Tru Calling (He he he, he got shot... but had a bulletproof vest!! :P)

GateGipsy
May 4th, 2004, 04:31 AM
missed that episode - tried to watch True Calling but just found it plain boring. Wanted to watch that one just coz Joe was in it, but got bored after five minutes and watched a re-run of Minder on Paramount 2!

James Holland
May 8th, 2004, 10:37 AM
He kinda reminds me of Col./ Brigadier General Jack O'Neill a little bit. But this guy is cool. I already Like him and the Atlantis Team Im going to be watching this till it ends which im hoping will go 7 seasons and then i'll start moving some stuff because i'll be on my own by the time it is over.

prion
May 13th, 2004, 04:31 PM
Right now he's a pretty face, with one of those ridiculously written character descriptions in which he can do virtually everything except make a nuclear bomb (maybe that was on page 2 :rolleyes: ) but I'll reserve judgement until I actually see the series. I've only seen the actor once, and he was trying to kill a woman with a baseball bat (CSI: Miami) so he can do mean and nasty... but it will also depend how they write the character.

Adamixoye
June 3rd, 2004, 03:51 PM
Any thoughts with the new commercials? Given the commercials, I can see him being an O'Neill variant...similar, but hopefully with some differences that the writers develop as the series moves along. Kind of like how Jonas was similar to Daniel, but also had some very distinct differences.

Oh no, did I just compare Jonas and Daniel?!? Look out, thread!

Torley
June 3rd, 2004, 09:31 PM
ANOTHER genius character... well, I'm going to see what happens with this Major John Sheppard before I pass judgment, but needless to say, I am fascinated. The show already has so many genius characters: Sam, Daniel, Jonas, numerous guest characters and aliens... we'll see.


He has a wry sense of humor and likes to pretend he's not as smart as he really is.

This could be interesting.

DarkQuee1
June 4th, 2004, 12:34 PM
Now he should be a good character! He looks a bit young to be commanding the Atlantis project though.


He isn't. Dr. Weir is.

J.

Indiana
July 3rd, 2004, 06:12 AM
In the latest Documentary Preview for Atlanits there is a scene between Sheppard and Ford talking about the Puddle Jumper. Sheppard is against the idea calling the little puddlejumper, Gateship one.

Is it just me or does he sound a bit like Owen Wilson in that particular scene?

Kliggins
July 3rd, 2004, 06:50 AM
I think the character looks promising from what I have seen in the commercial blips. The commercials with Joe and Amanda reviewing the applicants for the Get in the Gate Contest crack me up.

Lostinmyownvoid
July 3rd, 2004, 07:11 AM
I think the character looks promising from what I have seen in the commercial blips. The commercials with Joe and Amanda reviewing the applicants for the Get in the Gate Contest crack me up.

Eh, I the only part of it that is funny is the guy who makes a run for the gate and gets tackled.

rihannsu
July 4th, 2004, 05:11 PM
Is it just me or does he sound a bit like Owen Wilson in that particular scene?


I think so- I just can't figure out what the line is he's saying. Any help? :confused:

Indiana
July 5th, 2004, 04:52 AM
He says something like "gate ship one? No, no, thats all wrong"..."Ship? A little puddle jumper like this, no,no,no". Although if i could stick the DVD on I could be more precise.

shinyredpants
July 5th, 2004, 09:15 AM
i think he'll be awesome! i'm not really wanting to compare him with any of sg-1 just cuz well...its NOT sg-1. but i think he'll be as great as o'neill!

Adamixoye
July 21st, 2004, 05:02 PM
***BUMP!!!***

I know this has been discussed in other threads, but I am totally down with Sheppard. Sure, in some ways he is intended to be O'Neill 2.0, but he's doing a great job at it. Ultimately, though, I believe he is different enough so far and will continue to grow that way, e.g. his whole demeanor (the Kermit voice) and the "math genius" thing (I like O'Neill, but sometimes the "playing it dense" thing annoys me).

ShadowMaat
July 21st, 2004, 05:12 PM
I have no idea where people are getting this "Kermit voice" thing. He sounds nothing remotely like Kermit to me.

I do like his broodiness, though, as long as they don't overplay it...

Stargate Agent
July 21st, 2004, 06:47 PM
I think he is a womanizer he was smooth talking all the woman in the pilot.

ylai
July 21st, 2004, 06:52 PM
Though people might see a good-ol' boy exterior, he is also a closet mathematical genius.
Come on. In two minutes of return, he had plenty of time to calculate 6!. A lot of people know at least:

4! = 24 (otherwise: 6 × 4 = ?)
5! = 5 × 4! = (4! × 10 ÷ 2 =) ?
6! = 6 × 5! = (4! × 10 × (6 ÷ 2) =) ?

You really only need 5 second for that.

ylai
July 21st, 2004, 07:27 PM
SPOILER ALARM!!!

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It would be infact much more impressive, if this happened instead:


Sheppard: When can you tell me where the Wraith took Col. Sumner and the others?
McKay: Even with the six symbols Lt. Ford provided, there are still hundreds of permutations...
Sheppard: 720.
McKay: Yes. ... I knew that of course, I was just surprised you do. ... And how many permutations would that be, if Lt. Ford forgot two symbols?
Sheppard: 669,600.
McKay: Oh, interesting... Major, have you ever thought about joining the science team?
;-)

ShadowMaat
July 21st, 2004, 07:32 PM
Would now be a good time to remind folks about the RULES REGARDING SPOILER SPACE (http://forum.gateworld.net/faq.php?faq=faq_cat_basics#faq_spoilerspace) here on the forum?

Adamixoye
July 21st, 2004, 09:40 PM
Spoilers for Rising, or, you know, whatever...
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I don't think the permutations question was supposed to show his mathematical genius all by itself. The point was McKay was surprised that Sheppard had even thought about it.

As for the poster who said he was a womanizer, I don't agree at all. He's charming, I suppose you could say he's a smooth talker of sorts. But I think Teyla implied that she felt he was actually respecting her, unlike Sumner. He's just got that cool, laid-back thing going on.

And I think his voice is cool, even though I said it has the Kermit thing going on. It's inexplicably a half-octave higher than you feel it should be, but not squeaky or screechy, and as I said about the character in general, very much laid-back.

And as for ship...hey what happens happens. Didn't the descriptions indicate that there would be some initial ship and then it would go away? So all those who are opposed to ship have that to hang their hats on. As for me, I don't care one way or the other.

ylai
July 21st, 2004, 11:03 PM
I don't think the permutations question was supposed to show his mathematical genius all by itself. The point was McKay was surprised that Sheppard had even thought about it.
Well, I think it is still kind of both, but just not to the extent of "genius" as people said here. I would dare to say that in most societies, people knowing that is not quite the majority. Also, deducing the factorial relation for this specific kind of permutation is not quite easy for people who never touched combinatorics before. Knowing that permutation of 6 symbol is 6! means that he in fact has some background in mathematics, and more importantly, did not forget it. He is therefore quite different than Sumner, or even O'Neill.

And on the other hand, you see McKay (while being a rather arrogant person) already being get used to skip details when talking to people without obvious scientific background. People like Weir, Sumner or O'Neill would be absolutely bored by the number 720. I think he is also surprised by the fact, that he is facing someone with sense for details, while Sheppard enjoys to express "don't take me to be that stupid (as other people)".

ylai
July 21st, 2004, 11:20 PM
Joe Flanigan
A gifted military pilot, posted at McMurdoch Air Force Base because it's the only place they will let him fly; [...]

Isn't it fair to mention the "gene-thing" if you already mentioned that with Dr. Beckett? His "gene-thing"-expression is even stronger.

VixyOwl (~~Ani)
July 21st, 2004, 11:30 PM
While we're on the math thing: Am I the only one who had to memorize the factorials up to 10 in high school?

Seriously. I never use that. Why? oh, why?

I like Sheppard, by the way. Didn't thunk--I tend not to thunk over the boyish ones. But I also don't require that :p to be a factor in liking male characters.

And while I don't hear much Kermit, per se, I do get a definite Luke Wilson vibe. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

ylai
July 21st, 2004, 11:50 PM
While we're on the math thing: Am I the only one who had to memorize the factorials up to 10 in high school?
Well, I did not have to memorize it. But up to 8! is not hard to do it without any help (including pencil and paper) and within few seconds.

6! is really easy to calculate, as I mentioned before (by taking advantage of the 2 × 5 factor in it, or transform it into 8 × 9 × 10 to do it directly and without knowing 4!, 5!).

7! (7 × 720 = 5040) is also just one step away from 6!.

8! (= 40320) is also quite easy (by taking advantage of the fact that 7! has a 0 on the 3rd digit).

9! also can be calculated with exploiting the 0 on the 4th digit, but you have to know 9 × 32 = 288 if you want to do it really fast.

On the other hand, it is not very useful to memorize factorials as big as 10!, because you will get a number (3628800) that (even without the 100 in it) is hard for further calculations. Often your life would be easier to simplify the calculation with 10! not calculated, rather than substitute it with an obfuscating value you memorized.

ShadowMaat
July 22nd, 2004, 03:30 AM
I wonder if the producers realized when they wrote this that the things that would cause the biggest freakout among fans would be a stupid number. :P

It was a joke, people. A way of lightening the mood. McKay looks down on everyone who isn't himself and especially those in the military and the fact that Sheppard rattled off a number without even thinking about it temporarily derailed him. That's all that it means: Sheppard isn't as stupid as McKay thought.

Sheesh, it wasn't rocket science. ;)

I still don't get the voice thing. I like Sheppard's voice. I don't find it at all unusual or higher than I expected or anything. Of course, this also isnt' my first intro to Flanigan. :)

Buzz Lightyear
July 22nd, 2004, 03:58 AM
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ANOTHER genius character... well, I'm going to see what happens with this Major John Sheppard before I pass judgment, but needless to say, I am fascinated. The show already has so many genius characters: Sam, Daniel, Jonas, numerous guest characters and aliens... we'll see.
This could be interesting.

You generally don't get promoted in the military chain of command just for putting in the time. And you definitely don't get invited into the Stargate program unless you're extremely gifted in some capacity. There are no stupid grunts at the SGC, imo. They're all supposed to be the best of the best.

That having been said, Sheppard certainly wasn't invited along on the Atlantis expedition for any other reason than the fact that he has the magic gene and seems to be a "natural" as Weir puts it.

greytop
July 22nd, 2004, 08:16 AM
Maybe Jack also saw his young self in Sheppard. Weir probably saw his leadership ability in him also. I like the character. :)

prion
July 22nd, 2004, 08:27 AM
A gifted military pilot, posted at McMurdoch Air Force Base because it's the only place they will let him fly; Sheppard once defied a direct order and flew his helicopter to rescue two Rangers trapped behind enemy lines. Though people might see a good-ol' boy exterior, he is also a closet mathematical genius. He has a wry sense of humor and likes to pretend he's not as smart as he really is.

It's interesting to see how he's changed from the intial casting info... he was once listed as a southern gentlemen, and I'm glad that didn't happen as we sorta have that with Trip on Enterprise . And it was an attempted rescue, apparently, of three people. They didn't make it clear on the episode if the rescue actually went smoothly or not. The Scifi 'bio' also states that Sheppard requested McMurdo to get as far away as possible, which also makes sense as the 'black mark' on his record would probably have him grounded anywhere else.

VirtualCLD
July 22nd, 2004, 08:33 AM
Is McMurdoch Air Force Base real or fake and where is it located? I thought no millitary bases were allowed on Antarctica, so I don't think it's there, but I could be wrong.

Ilios
July 22nd, 2004, 08:38 AM
I think its fake but I don't know for sure.

ShadowMaat
July 22nd, 2004, 08:53 AM
McMurdo (http://www.nsf.gov/od/opp/support/mcmurdo.htm) is a real place. Follow the link for more info.

prion
July 22nd, 2004, 08:53 AM
Is McMurdoch Air Force Base real or fake and where is it located? I thought no millitary bases were allowed on Antarctica, so I don't think it's there, but I could be wrong.

McMurdo (not McMurdoch) does exist. McMurdo is civilian (chockful of scientists) as is US nationality, but military do seem to go in and out. I just posted a ton of lists over at Spoilme - the place is full of scientists so at least we know why Sheppard didn't mind going off on a potential one way trip with scientists :D

Here's one link


http://www.antarcticconnection.com/antarctic/stations/mcmurdo.shtml

i couldn't find any listing of a military base at McMurdo, but I think Sheppard was just glad to be flying anywhere considering the black mark.

prion
July 22nd, 2004, 08:56 AM
***BUMP!!!***

I know this has been discussed in other threads, but I am totally down with Sheppard. Sure, in some ways he is intended to be O'Neill 2.0, but he's doing a great job at it. Ultimately, though, I believe he is different enough so far and will continue to grow that way, e.g. his whole demeanor (the Kermit voice) and the "math genius" thing (I like O'Neill, but sometimes the "playing it dense" thing annoys me).

What does 'totally down with' mean?

Adamixoye
July 22nd, 2004, 08:58 AM
What does 'totally down with' mean?

It's a positive statement. I like his character a lot. Other colloquial phrases that apply: I am "on board". I am sold.

VixyOwl (~~Ani)
July 22nd, 2004, 09:54 AM
Well, I did not have to memorize it. But up to 8! is not hard to do it without any help (including pencil and paper) and within few seconds.

6! is really easy to calculate, as I mentioned before (by taking advantage of the 2 × 5 factor in it, or transform it into 8 × 9 × 10 to do it directly and without knowing 4!, 5!).

7! (7 × 720 = 5040) is also just one step away from 6!.

8! (= 40320) is also quite easy (by taking advantage of the fact that 7! has a 0 on the 3rd digit).

9! also can be calculated with exploiting the 0 on the 4th digit, but you have to know 9 × 32 = 288 if you want to do it really fast.

On the other hand, it is not very useful to memorize factorials as big as 10!, because you will get a number (3628800) that (even without the 100 in it) is hard for further calculations. Often your life would be easier to simplify the calculation with 10! not calculated, rather than substitute it with an obfuscating value you memorized.
:O !!!

You see, now?
That was a waste of a perfectly good explanation!

(...you had to suspect that was coming...)

greytop
August 3rd, 2004, 12:37 AM
I think he is a womanizer he was smooth talking all the woman in the pilot.
He was just being polite. He reminds me of a cowboy in the Western movies.

IWantToBelieve
August 3rd, 2004, 04:29 AM
I knew nothing of Shepard/Joe Flanigan before the premiere, but he has soared past my expectations. I was actually a little worried based of the bio they put up, afraid they were going to make him a boxy character. I think a lot of why it works is becasue Joe Flanigan is able to inflect so much into his character. I picked my avatar before the premiere and a true sign of approval, I left it since then LOL! :) He's my favorite, hands down. His expressions and interplay with the other characters are spot on, love it!

CyberKnight
August 3rd, 2004, 12:35 PM
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I wonder if they are going to elaborate on what he did in the war that's even got O'Neil worried.

Adamixoye
August 3rd, 2004, 01:26 PM
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I wonder if they are going to elaborate on what he did in the war that's even got O'Neil worried.
They haven't already? It was just the fact that he didn't follow orders.

greytop
August 3rd, 2004, 01:40 PM
They haven't already? It was just the fact that he didn't follow orders.
Ditto. It was said in Rising.

Indiana
August 13th, 2004, 02:39 PM
Anyone seen Thought Crimes starring Joe Flanigan as a NSA agent? I'd tell more about it, but erm It's kinda cool if u pick it up and dont know what its going to be about.

http://www.stargatesg-1.net/tho_crims.jpg

Ancient 1
August 17th, 2004, 11:58 PM
His whole reason for going to Atlantis: Establish/contact intergalactic :D black market for ZPMs.

greytop
September 6th, 2004, 07:47 AM
Just finihed rewatch the Atlantis Premire, than I taped on VHS. It gave me a thought.

With Major Sheppard being a natural with the gene. Could he be the closest thing to a living Ancient that we have?

S0f4
September 6th, 2004, 09:23 AM
His whole reason for going to Atlantis: Establish/contact intergalactic :D black market for ZPMs.

haha

aschen
September 6th, 2004, 10:05 AM
Just finihed rewatch the Atlantis Premire, than I taped on VHS. It gave me a thought.

With Major Sheppard being a natural with the gene. Could he be the closest thing to a living Ancient that we have?
*Closest living descendant of the Ancients.*

Dr. Becket has it too though, as do a handful of other characters. It's only due to TPTB that he's a natural, as there is no point in having a person who is naturally able to control Ancient technology who isn't a main character.

greytop
September 6th, 2004, 01:10 PM
*Closest living descendant of the Ancients.*

Dr. Becket has it too though, as do a handful of other characters. It's only due to TPTB that he's a natural, as there is no point in having a person who is naturally able to control Ancient technology who isn't a main character.
Sorry about that and thank you for correcting me. :)

S0f4
September 6th, 2004, 01:36 PM
*Closest living descendant of the Ancients.*

Dr. Becket has it too though, as do a handful of other characters. It's only due to TPTB that he's a natural, as there is no point in having a person who is naturally able to control Ancient technology who isn't a main character.

Thats true, but one thing is Dr. Beckett and Sheppard are the only ones that truly have the gene and are descendants of the wraith. The others were injected or got it from the thing in the wall.

greytop
September 6th, 2004, 02:44 PM
Thats true, but one thing is Dr. Beckett and Sheppard are the only ones that truly have the gene and are descendants of the wraith. The others were injected or got it from the thing in the wall.
Wraith? Didn't you mean Ancients?

S0f4
September 6th, 2004, 03:51 PM
whoops..yeah thanks :o
(waves hand) you did not see that and will forget it so I can go back and correct it.

S0f4
September 6th, 2004, 03:54 PM
ahem...

Thats true, but one thing is Dr. Beckett and Sheppard are the only ones that truly have the gene and are descendants of the ancient. The others were injected or got it from the thing in the wall.

watcher652
September 18th, 2004, 12:46 AM
I'm surprised no one has wanted to discuss Major Sheppard since Sept 6. Maybe there's another thread?

Anyway, I'm really liking the Sheppard character. In "Home", when he closed the door after letting his buddies into the apartment, the look he had on his face was so moving. I knew he knew something wasn't right from that look. That was my "Wow, he's good!" moment with Joe Flanigan.

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we get to see the leader that Sheppard is. He was tough with Mr. Menarian. And his skills as a strategist were really used in that hostage situation. I thought Flanigan did a great job.

Mr. Seven
September 18th, 2004, 06:40 AM
I think Shepard is probably like a deceandant from the Ancients who came back to Earth after Atlantis sank into the ocean on the other planet.

The rest of them might be deceandants of Ancients before they left Earth?

Making Shepard a good many generations closer to them than anyone?

Although the explanation, "because he's the main character" works just fine as well.

That was a big coincidence that he just happened to be O'Neil's escort and he sat in that chair..and the coin landed the way it did..is this his destiny?

watcher652
September 18th, 2004, 07:49 AM
I think Shepard is probably like a deceandant from the Ancients who came back to Earth after Atlantis sank into the ocean on the other planet.

The rest of them might be deceandants of Ancients before they left Earth?

Making Shepard a good many generations closer to them than anyone?
I don't think having the Ancient gene, however he has it, gives Sheppard any more advantage than anybody else when it comes to activating the Ancient technology. It's just a part of him, like he has dark hair. What gives him the advantage is his personal way with dealing with the world.

You saw how he has lightning fast reflexes and can think on his feet when that probe came after O'Neill and him in "Rising". You know he must have a great imagination to be able to picture that bachelor pad so realistically the Mist thought it was real. And Sheppard had multiple things going on in his reality. Weir and McKay were really only dealing with one person at a time. Sheppard had a whole party going on with all the different personalities in a place that wasn't even real.

I think its his ability to quickly picture what he needs that lets the Ancient tech come up with the maps and devices that pop up when he needs them. He didn't need to be trained, it just comes naturally to him.

I think Sheppard actually has something in common with McKay. They both deal with the physical world. Sheppard deals with what he can see and touch, which sometimes makes him not so good at dealing with people. He doesn't have the patience for the dance of negotiations. McKay deals with the physical world, too, although he deals more with abstractions and that makes it harder for McKay to connect with the outside world.

watcher652
October 16th, 2004, 11:43 PM
Anyone seen Thought Crimes starring Joe Flanigan as a NSA agent? I'd tell more about it, but erm It's kinda cool if u pick it up and dont know what its going to be about.

http://www.stargatesg-1.net/tho_crims.jpg
This movie is airing on USA this month. Peter Horton isn't on the dvd cover?

Thoughtcrimes
Directed by Breck Eisner. Starring Navi Rawat, Peter Horton, Jocelyn Seagrave, Joe Flanigan, Joe Morton.
A government researcher has an ulterior motive for training a young woman to control her telepathic gift. 120 minutes- USA, 2003, (CC)

Tue Oct 19 04:00P on USA Network
Wed Oct 20 01:30A on USA Network
Thu Oct 28 11:30P on USA Network
Fri Oct 29 08:00A on USA Network

Other things to see Joe in this month:

The Other Sister
Directed by Garry Marshall. Starring Juliette Lewis, Diane Keaton, Tom Skerritt, Giovanni Ribisi, Poppy Montgomery, Sarah Paulson, Linda Thorson, Joe Flanigan, Juliet Mills, Hector Elizondo.
A woman resists her mentally challenged daughter's bid for independence and romance with a like-minded baker. 165 minutes- USA, 1999, (CC), Video, SS

Sun Oct 17 08:30A on TBS Superstation


Family Album
Directed by Jack Bender. Starring Jaclyn Smith, Michael Ontkean, Joe Flanigan, Kristin Minter, Brian Krause, Leslie Horan.
Based on Danielle Steel's novel of a celebrated actress-filmmaker whose family life is marked with love and strife. 240 minutes- USA, 1994, (CC)

Sun Oct 24 03:00P on Lifetime

Thanks to tv-now.com

greytop
October 18th, 2004, 06:49 PM
Are the show times Eastern?

watcher652
October 19th, 2004, 12:11 AM
Are the show times Eastern?Yes, excuse me, I forgot to mention that the schedule is for the Eastern Time Zone.

watcher652
October 19th, 2004, 11:23 AM
I've seen The Other Sister before. I didn't know who Joe Flanigan was so I didn't remember him.

greytop
October 19th, 2004, 02:10 PM
I just watched Thought Crimes. I give it a 5, in a scale of 1-10.

The show was okay. Joe did show in it until the middle of it.

CultTVGirl
October 22nd, 2004, 01:23 AM
After watching the first couple of episodes of Atlantis, a few things strike me about Major Sheppard.

Firstly, I've only been watching him for two episodes, but I feel like I've been watching him for years. The character is so incredibly likeable that you just warm to him straight away. It's like watching an old friend. Some people might say it's because Sheppard is like Jack O'Neill. Yes, his sarcastic humour is similar to O'Neill's, but I think that's where the similarities end. I don't look at Sheppard and think of O'Neill at all. Sheppard's a totally new, interesting character.

On the other hand, we don't really know that much about him at all. In the first episode, when everyone was leaving Earth and saying goodbye to their loved ones, Sheppard was just sitting all alone. Did he really have no-one on Earth to say goodbye to? It makes me wonder a bit about his background. It seems there's a lot more to Sheppard than meets the eye, and I hope we get to find out more about his past and what drives his character in future episodes.

Also, he's really hot... ;)

Furling God
October 22nd, 2004, 03:26 AM
Sheppard seems like just another action guy to me. Replacable.

Weir, McKay, Beckett have become indispensable, and to some extent Ford and Teyla too. I mean you remember them when the show is over. I tend to forget about Sheppard.

So why is he so important, well... he was lucky that:


- In Rising the Ancient drone manage to miss his helicopter a dozen of times. Surprising though... drones being more efficient with more powerful Guld ships in The Lost City...

- He's the only one who has the ancient gene full so they really need HIM to manage Ancient tools. The damn ******* has the keys of the car :rolleyes:

- When he killed his first Wraith she happened not to regenerate precisely in the part he pierced.

- When he did a nice forward roll in The Storm he managed not to suffer from all the hard objects in his backpack, and could continue the fight...


Apart from that I see him as the renegade pilot type, more like Harrison Ford in Star Wars, but less interesting, more politically correct.

Also, in Rising, he was clearly a foil to Sumner. Now as time is passing by he becomes more and more military. "Action Sheppard".

FoolishPleasure
October 22nd, 2004, 05:44 AM
I don't find Sheppard to be much like O'Neill. He seems more "John Creightonish" to me. Maybe it is just the sarcasm he tosses around. I do like the character and Joe is rather easy on the eyes. ;)

Since Sheppard was thrown into the Atlantis mix at the last minute and didn't really know what was going on, I think Sumner should have been kept around a few more episodes to help ease him into the overall story. With Sumner and Sheppard knowing each other better, Sheppard's actions towards Sumner in the hiveship would have been more personal and difficult to deal with.

watcher652
October 23rd, 2004, 09:51 AM
SciFi repeated Childhood's End last night.

Sheppard is making their introductions:

Sheppard: I'm Sheppard. This is Rodney, and Teyla... (looks back at his host) You say you're an Elder?

Interesting that Sheppard used his last name for himself, but introduced McKay by his first name. And poor Ford doesn't get either of his names mentioned, although I'm sure Sheppard would have introduced him as Ford.

I'm waiting for some race to think Ford's first name is Lieutenant. :)

CultTVGirl
October 26th, 2004, 01:23 AM
I've just realised where I've seen Joe Flanigan before!!

He was in a couple of episodes of Dawson's Creek as Vince, the fisherman. I remember watching those eps (and not so very long ago, as I've bought the DVDs) and thinking he was pretty hot. But when Atlantis started, I didn't make the connection. Now I remember him though!

Have also seen him in an episode of Tru Calling. Note to myself - need to be more observant! ;)

watcher652
October 26th, 2004, 01:35 PM
I've just realised where I've seen Joe Flanigan before!!
Check out Joe Flanigan's credits (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0281167/) on imdb.com. Then you can look for him when you watch those programs.

Merlin7
November 6th, 2004, 03:55 PM
I am a huge fan of John Sheppard and the actor who plays him. I love how Joe brings Sheppard to life.

I think there is so much that can be done with Sheppard. That he has the most natural use of the gene. We haven't seen devices appear for anyone else. That he's a Math Genius. All things that should, and I hope WILL, be used in the future.

Just curious to know. What kinds of scenarios would you like to see for the Major? Such as things to happen with Sheppard in future eps and such. All specs of course. :D

blingaway
November 6th, 2004, 06:23 PM
Just curious to know. What kinds of scenarios would you like to see for the Major? Such as things to happen with Sheppard in future eps and such. All specs of course. :D

A good whumping, preferably in the rain. :D

Merlin7
November 6th, 2004, 07:48 PM
A good whumping, preferably in the rain. :D

Heeee. That totally works for me.

John&Teylaalltheway
November 7th, 2004, 08:14 AM
I too am a big fan of Joe and Shepherd is my favorite SGA character among the men and agree alot can be done with him ..
I'm still hoping a Teyla/John romance starts developing but as long as John is front & center I'll watch SGA and my hope is to see more scenes of him without his shirt on LOL

Pam

Merlin7
November 7th, 2004, 09:59 AM
I too am a big fan of Joe and Shepherd is my favorite SGA character among the men and agree alot can be done with him ..
I'm still hoping a Teyla/John romance starts developing but as long as John is front & center I'll watch SGA and my hope is to see more scenes of him without his shirt on LOL

Pam

You said exactly what I feel. So long as John is front and center in SGA. I'm watching. I wouldn't mind an eventual John and Teyla pairing either.

greytop
November 10th, 2004, 04:07 PM
It seems both Sheppard and Teal's likes turkey sandwiches.

WraithWarrior
November 12th, 2004, 06:47 AM
Now he should be a good character! He looks a bit young to be commanding the Atlantis project though

He may be a bit young to be commanding the Atlantis project, but he is a really good leader and really funny. He has a good sense of humour and I think that he is a corresponding person to Jack in SG-1, because he has the same type of humour and is very cocky

watcher652
December 22nd, 2004, 12:34 AM
There is a four page article with Joe Flanigan in issue 3 (Jan 2005) of Dreamwatch. I found my copy at Borders Bookstore (US). Matthew Fox of the TV series "Lost" is on the cover.

Photos from The Defiant One and Hot Zone. Interview was done after the season wrapped production.

OT, there is also a 5 page article with Amanda Tapping in the same issue.

CultTVGirl
December 22nd, 2004, 08:02 AM
There is a four page article with Joe Flanigan in issue 3 (Jan 2005) of Dreamwatch. I found my copy at Borders Bookstore (US). Matthew Fox of the TV series "Lost" is on the cover.

Mmmm....I wonder if this is included in the new UK issue.

*runs to the shops*

And I loved Shep's Die Hard routine in "The Eye" last night. But was I really the only one disappointed that he didn't strip down to his vest? ;)

Atlantis1
December 22nd, 2004, 10:44 AM
I think without Major Sheppard there would be an empty spot in the show for me. While SGA is my favorite scifi right now, it could very well drop from that spot without the major and JFs acting talent. Makes one understand how the people who favor SG-1 and O'Neill feel about possibly losing RDA& character in the future.

Dr Tim
December 22nd, 2004, 02:51 PM
I like Sheppard so far,he can be kinda of a jerk at times... but its rather entertaining.

lord-anubis
December 23rd, 2004, 09:55 PM
i like sheppard him and mckay are my favs i like when there in a secen together

there funny in befor i sleep and the defiant one

Sheppard's Girl
December 26th, 2004, 07:38 PM
Hi, I'm new! I just wanted to state that Sheppard is my fave character. Ahem, he's taken over Jack's place in my heart, LOL! I still love Jack, but it's great to have Sheppard now too!!!!

Easter Lily
December 26th, 2004, 09:01 PM
Hi, I'm new! I just wanted to state that Sheppard is my fave character. Ahem, he's taken over Jack's place in my heart, LOL! I still love Jack, but it's great to have Sheppard now too!!!!

Love your signature... Sheppard's Girl... you sure live up to your username. ;)

Easter Lily
December 26th, 2004, 09:23 PM
I think without Major Sheppard there would be an empty spot in the show for me. While SGA is my favorite scifi right now, it could very well drop from that spot without the major and JFs acting talent. Makes one understand how the people who favor SG-1 and O'Neill feel about possibly losing RDA& character in the future.

I'm with you... I don't think the show will be the same without Sheppard. I don't think he's that replaceable... there isn't another pilot of his skill and ability in the expedition (Markham perhaps). Who else is going to trade insults with McKay with the same degree of eloquence? It's really lovely to see the connection with everyone on the team and the respect that they have for his leadership ability.
JF is a fabulous actor, very expressive and has great comic timing. It doesn't hurt that he's got leading men's looks as well. ;)


Just curious to know. What kinds of scenarios would you like to see for the Major? Such as things to happen with Sheppard in future eps and such. All specs of course.

Stuff that you've mentioned, Merlin, like the closet mathematical genius, his natural ability with Ancient tech but I would really, really love to see the chair again.

greytop
December 27th, 2004, 03:53 AM
Stuff that you've mentioned, Merlin, like the closet mathematical genius, his natural ability with Ancient tech but I would really, really love to see the chair again.
I was looking at GW picture of Mobeius. I believe I saw the chair in those.

Sheppard's Girl
December 27th, 2004, 09:18 AM
Love your signature... Sheppard's Girl... you sure live up to your username. ;)

Well thank you! It's very easy to work with pictures of this man!!

greytop
December 27th, 2004, 01:45 PM
I was looking at GW picture of Mobeius. I believe I saw the chair in those.
Wrong show, Easter Lily. Mobeius is SG-1. :o

It was pictures of The Seige, instead.

Easter Lily
December 27th, 2004, 06:10 PM
Wrong show, Easter Lily. Mobeius is SG-1. :o

It was pictures of The Seige, instead.

No problems, Greytop... just thought for a while there that there was going to be a CROSSOVER!
Can't wait for The Siege... should be fun anyway...

Easter Lily
December 27th, 2004, 06:12 PM
Well thank you! It's very easy to work with pictures of this man!!

Yeah, the camera loves him... and he is great eye candy.

watcher652
January 4th, 2005, 11:01 AM
Have you seen Joe on the TV Guide close up that's running right now? He gives a little behind the scenes tour during the filming of The Siege. He and David have some really funny banter about a stunt David is shooting.

Remaining show times (US Eastern)
1/4 9pm
1/5 3pm
1/6 1am
1/6 6pm

There’s about 3 minutes for the Stargate Atlantis segment, about 18 minutes into the program.

smallgirl
January 4th, 2005, 03:07 PM
I was a bit dubious about the idea of SGA at first. Being so fond of SG-1 made me wary of an addition to the SG universe that could potentially tarnish the concept. So far, I'm pretty pleased with it. I don't think it's in the same league as SG-1 but that's partly a case of nothing being able to compare to my first love. The fact that I'm enjoying it so far and look forward to each new episode despite almost willing myself at the start not to like it is a good sign.

A lot of my enjoyment has been down to Sheppard as a character and therefore Joe as the actor. Some of that is due to him being ' extremely easy on the eyes' but as I wasn't initially particularly captivated by seeing him in the promo pictures it's more to do with the character. The actor can be Adonis but if the character sucks then I won't feel any compulsion to keep watching. I found the character of Sheppard appealing right from the start of the Pilot episode and he has continued to be so and that has just made me notice how 'fine' he is more. Sheppard is similar to O'Neill in terms of the humour but he is different enough in other aspects to make you want to find out more about him. I love O'Neill in SG-1, he cracks me up but I think there may potentially be more layers to Sheppard's character than O'Neill's if the writing does the show justice in the future.

I would like to see a possible Sheppard/Teyla romance because it would be precisely the kind of opportunity that could be used to reveal more layers to his character. Although one of SG-1 strength's was that the romance element was kept to a minimum and not allowed to wreak the kind of havoc that you can get on other shows. A romantic scenario would have to handled on SGA with great care. I generally just want to see lots of different situations for his character to show more than his already well established ability to kick bad guy ass!! I like the action a lot but the eps on SG-1 I always enjoyed the most were ones where the individual characters were put in situations either on their own or with just one other character that required them to handle things using more than just military prowess and quick thinking.

Small question:-
Is it just me or does Dr Weir have the hots for Sheppard?

I know she has a guy back on earth but I don't know even in the Pilot I got the vibe that she warmed to him faster than she did anyone else and she'd known all the others for longer. Maybe it was just because Sumner didn't really respect her whereas Sheppard did that she seemed so appreciative of his presence. It was the way she called him 'John' at one point early on that seemed particularly affectionate. She calls McKay 'Rodney' too but it never sounded quite as personal. Sheppard is easy going and laid back and therefore easy to like, Teyla and Ford warmed to him straight away but with Weir there just seems a bit more to it. In the ep where they went home in their minds she just came over a bit needy when she was visiting him in his quarters to check if he was going to leave Atlantis and she practically lost it when she was being told by 'Hammond' that Sheppard had said he didn't need her back on Atlantis. Professional pride was part of it but the whole ' I know Major Sheppard and he wouldn't say that' came over a bit strong. Sheppard doesn't give the same vibe back, he's chummy with everyone though he does seem extra fond of Teyla.

Esther

Easter Lily
January 4th, 2005, 05:49 PM
I was a bit dubious about the idea of SGA at first. Being so fond of SG-1 made me wary of an addition to the SG universe that could potentially tarnish the concept. So far, I'm pretty pleased with it. I don't think it's in the same league as SG-1 but that's partly a case of nothing being able to compare to my first love.

I was the same... my first reaction when I heard that there was going to be a spin-off series was "Why?". I was pretty skeptical about an entire tv show based in a city... thinking... "Eeek... how interesting is that going to be?" Since the pilot, I've become an Atlantis convert... in fact I like it more than SG-1 (which is not to say I don't like it either). It sometimes reminds me of a very good play which relies on witty banter and a building up of tension to capture the audience's attention. Sort of like Hitchcock's Rear Window.


A lot of my enjoyment has been down to Sheppard as a character and therefore Joe as the actor. Some of that is due to him being ' extremely easy on the eyes' but as I wasn't initially particularly captivated by seeing him in the promo pictures it's more to do with the character. I found the character of Sheppard appealing right from the start of the Pilot episode and he has continued to be so and that has just made me notice how 'fine' he is more.

Yeah, there's not a lot to dislike about Sheppard, is there? ;) It's obvious that JF carries his responsibility as leading actor admirably. :D


I would like to see a possible Sheppard/Teyla romance because it would be precisely the kind of opportunity that could be used to reveal more layers to his character. Although one of SG-1 strength's was that the romance element was kept to a minimum and not allowed to wreak the kind of havoc that you can get on other shows. A romantic scenario would have to handled on SGA with great care. I generally just want to see lots of different situations for his character to show more than his already well established ability to kick bad guy ass!! I like the action a lot but the eps on SG-1 I always enjoyed the most were ones where the individual characters were put in situations either on their own or with just one other character that required them to handle things using more than just military prowess and quick thinking.

While I agree that a plot device like romance could occasionally be used to reveal more aspects to Sheppard's character, I believe it is just one of different ways in which this can be achieved. I worry about "ship" between main characters in sci-fi... I'm not against it per se... but I worry when it's introduced from nowhere and I worry that it'll degenerate into "Days of Our Lives". Possible spoiler for "Sanctuary" I suppose Sheppard has already had a taste of romance in the Pegasus galaxy with the priestess from "Sanctuary" and true, he did look shy and cute for one brief moment, I didn't think it did much to drive the overall story.

But the most important reason why I don't support a Teyla/Sheppard romance is because I don't see it... I don't feel that they have that kind of chemistry between them.


Small question:-
Is it just me or does Dr Weir have the hots for Sheppard?

I know she has a guy back on earth but I don't know even in the Pilot I got the vibe that she warmed to him faster than she did anyone else and she'd known all the others for longer. Maybe it was just because Sumner didn't really respect her whereas Sheppard did that she seemed so appreciative of his presence. It was the way she called him 'John' at one point early on that seemed particularly affectionate. She calls McKay 'Rodney' too but it never sounded quite as personal. Sheppard is easy going and laid back and therefore easy to like, Teyla and Ford warmed to him straight away but with Weir there just seems a bit more to it. In the ep where they went home in their minds she just came over a bit needy when she was visiting him in his quarters to check if he was going to leave Atlantis and she practically lost it when she was being told by 'Hammond' that Sheppard had said he didn't need her back on Atlantis. Professional pride was part of it but the whole ' I know Major Sheppard and he wouldn't say that' came over a bit strong. Sheppard doesn't give the same vibe back, he's chummy with everyone though he does seem extra fond of Teyla.

I don't think it's just you... I'm sure quite a lot of people on the Weir/Sheppard Ship thread think so too. I, myself, on the other hand, don't really see it... perhaps Weir does "have the hots" for him but it seems to me that I would "lose it" too if my second-in-command turned around and acted contrary to what I think he should have said in such a situation. I don't think that it was anything more the fact that she found it incredulous that Sheppard would have agreed with Gen Hammond's assessment of the situation. Perhaps she felt betrayed that a team member would go behind her back on this matter. Romance? Well, I'm not so sure about that...

There are some lovely moments in the latter episodes between Weir and Sheppard but then like you say, Sheppard has great moments with everyone. I don't know if the writers are heading in that direction but like you, I think they need to tread very, very carefully.