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GateWorld
January 17th, 2006, 01:00 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 113</FONT>
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Adama attempts to forcibly remove Roslin from office, and presses forward in his plans to destroy the Base Ship orbiting Kobol. Starbuck successfully returns to Caprica.

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AutumnDream
January 22nd, 2006, 12:55 AM
This episode contains what is probably my favorite scene in all of television.

"Life has a melody, Gaius..."

Oh yeah. ^_^

And that song rules.

Mr. Seven
March 24th, 2006, 01:19 AM
I noticed something in this episode that I didn't before.

You know how Crash and Boomer jump right into Kobol's atmosphere? She said that Gaeta plotted the jump.

A few scenes before this he was drinking it up with Apollo, Crash, Dee, Baltar and Lee..he even told Baltar that he couldn't have anymore since he had a shift coming up.

Crash tells Boomer it's going to be fine, and not worry about it. I think he knew that Gaeta had a few too many and didn't want to give it away.

We find out in S2 of course that Gatea likes that Ambrosia drink quite a bit

DOIKECARTER
April 6th, 2006, 02:15 AM
This episode contains what is probably my favorite scene in all of television.

"Life has a melody, Gaius..."

Oh yeah. ^_^

And that song rules.


Itīs "The Shape of things to Come" and itīs the best one in all the series

Annie Sheppard
April 21st, 2006, 04:53 PM
omg that was an episode...action but also feelings thats what i like...;) and the end...wow...:rolleyes:...

Catsitter
September 7th, 2006, 02:49 PM
Wow, they packed a lot into that episode (although that bit where Boomer and Crashdown jumped into the atmosphere of the planet was actually in part 1).
My favourite line was, "No-one coerces Starbuck - believe me, I've tried."
The flying of the Raptor with nuke into the Basestar was a bit too similar to SGA Siege 2 and 3; who thought of it first? Probably both were thought of at about the same time?

I wonder when Sky Three will show Season 2? Can't wait!

kj16V
September 8th, 2006, 01:06 PM
omg that was an episode...action but also feelings thats what i like...;) and the end...wow...:rolleyes:...


S'funny that's exactly what I was gonna say!

Did anyone noticed that when Baltar was lying on the grass, that the grass was flattened out into the shillouette of an angel with outspread wings?
That bloke is such a ****.

I've only seen series one so don't spoil it if you know the following!: Do you reckon that this "God" that the Cylons keep banging on about is who-or whatever is the mastermind behind the Cylon plan?

Trek_Girl42
September 8th, 2006, 01:16 PM
Did anyone noticed that when Baltar was lying on the grass, that the grass was flattened out into the shillouette of an angel with outspread wings?
That bloke is such a ****.
Yeah- that was such a beautiful shot, absolutely stunning. :)


If you've still got all Season two to go, lucky you, there's nothing quite like seeing it all for the first time.

Catsitter
September 8th, 2006, 03:28 PM
Do you reckon that this "God" that the Cylons keep banging on about is who-or whatever is the mastermind behind the Cylon plan?

Don't know about that, but I was just reading in the BSG Companion that in an early draft of the script, RDM was going to have Baltar meet (in his hallucination) some guy with a beard who would introduce himself as God, and they were hoping he would be played by the actor who played Starbuck in the original series, but then they decided against the whole thing.

Trek_Girl42
September 8th, 2006, 05:53 PM
Don't know about that, but I was just reading in the BSG Companion that in an early draft of the script, RDM was going to have Baltar meet (in his hallucination) some guy with a beard who would introduce himself as God, and they were hoping he would be played by the actor who played Starbuck in the original series, but then they decided against the whole thing.
Yeah, that was in the LDYB Part II commentary.....that would have been insanely bizarre.....but they decided on the mythical baby instead. :)

Descent
September 8th, 2006, 06:06 PM
Yeah, that was in the LDYB Part II commentary.....that would have been insanely bizarre.....but they decided on the mythical baby instead. :)

I think it would've worked, guess thats just me. ;)

Trek_Girl42
September 8th, 2006, 06:52 PM
I think it would've worked, guess thats just me. ;)
I thought it sounded like a very cool idea, but I'm not sure how well it would have gone down for this show- it definitly would have been a massive gamble that would either have been a "jump the shark" moment, or something brilliant- I think Ron Moore said it came down to the network not liking it, but I haven't listened in awhile to remember exactly.

Can't complain about the direction they took though. :)

MB.Eddie
November 6th, 2006, 06:25 AM
Good ep. Lee holding the gun to Tigh was surprising. And what about the Commander getting shot. Crickey. The scene where Number 6 fought with Starbuck for the arrow was cool too.

MechaThor
November 18th, 2007, 11:03 AM
Shame. After actually starting to get into and like the show on my marthon series 1 DVD boxset watching this weekend, These two final episodes completely spoilt the show.

I mean a stupid gold painted arrow! WTF! and theirs too much stuff about god/s. and the stupid rubbish about this arrow and the cylons love for god took it to far.

For start the arow stuff makes no sense
-1. its a stupid gold painted arrow (who uses arrows thousands of years in the future?)
-2. why out of all the stuff in the museaum was its case the only one not turned into rubble?
-3. If the Cylons love god and the prophacy so much why did they not take the arrow for themselves?
-4. Why did the Humans not take it in the 1rst place? Even if many do belive it was a load of rubbbish, surly some beliver would have saved it?
-5. All the god rubbish that goes with it. Not that i don't like god, its an intresting subject but i am feed up of having shows beat on about him/her/it. I get enough of it in Heroes!

Then we have the half human half cylon child. YUK. how many more sci-fi shows do I have to wtach half human half the bad guy on?
And the cool Dr guy is a good character by his robot in his head is getting confusing.

After that I am in no rush to watch series 2. I will stick with the much better Stargate Atlantis series 4 thank you!

The_Carpenter
March 4th, 2008, 06:16 AM
Wow, I agree that the arrow should of been more of a name for a holographic map rather than an actual arrow no idea what they are going to do with that lol

as for the ending kinda came outta no where anyway Gaius is going to be in deep doodoo when he gets back to the ship either his detector doesnt work and he lied or it does and he knowingly let a cylon loose on the Galactica what a stupid boy.

LordAnubis82
September 25th, 2008, 11:45 AM
i just got one thing to say about this ep....

Starbuck vs. No. Six = one HELL of a chick fight.

Sp!der
November 6th, 2008, 12:33 PM
yeah baby...good finale for a show....
.....tomorrow i'll start with season 2...hope commander adama makes it ;)
love this guy....

Pharaoh Atem
November 19th, 2008, 07:00 PM
yeah baby...good finale for a show....
.....tomorrow i'll start with season 2...hope commander adama makes it ;)
love this guy....

i think that was the key to the shows successes going to into season 2

how many shows put bullets in there lead character at the end of a season

Rodney_Mckay
October 22nd, 2010, 11:03 AM
I love reading past comments and comparing them to now... so just ignore me bumping :D


-1. its a stupid gold painted arrow (who uses arrows thousands of years in the future?)

*BSG Finale -don't click if you haven't watched every ep/season ! :):
Hurr Hurr, thousands of years in the past you mean xD

Ulkesh47
November 12th, 2010, 10:45 AM
What can you say about an episode that so effectively develops its plot threads for dramatic counterpoint and provides a shock ending that still gives a visceral impact even if you know it's coming? Also, the final shot of this episode is unto a painting in its visual construction.

Of course, the music over the sequence in the Opera House enhances it so pointedly that it is almost sickening to think of a "typical TV score" with it. This sequence is key to the story as a sort of mystical bow that is tied over all of the various plot thread resolutions provided here.

Two questions, one which I have a probable answer for...
1. Why didn't Six kill Starbuck? (Perhaps Leoben has told the other Cylons about her destiny, that the Cylons can't interfere with?)
2. Did Boomer black out and sabotage the bomb release on the Raptor? If not, that was a pretty shameless plot contrivance.

There are several similarities between BSG and Lost; they had first seasons that were largely grounded but towards the end put more emphasis on lofty concepts that expanded the mythology of each show. Many jumped ship when this happened, but I'm fine with it as long as disbelief can be suspended (it's much more complicated than that, but let be the operative phrase), which BSG arguably violated at one point but I digress.

A great finale for BSG's largely triumphant first season. If I were to venture a guess, I would say that S1 is RDM's favorite season given that he admitted that the writing staff worked better in the 13 episode format than the 20 episode format. This finale was the best episode of the season, followed by "The Hand of God" with "33" bringing up the 3 slot.

10/10

Average Rating for Season 1: 6.3 (in other words, a solid season)
Here's looking forward to Season 2, which produces two of the series' worst offerings and its second-greatest.

Professor_S
June 2nd, 2011, 06:08 PM
Just beyond brilliant.

It starts with the music. McCreary's "Kobol's Last Gleaming" is hauntingly beautiful, and "The Shape of Things to Come" is epic. There's a reason why McCreary's tracks are almost all (except for "Black Market" and "Two Boomers") part of my top-100 tracks (by play count). McCreary is a genius!

As a couple people have said now, this episode is just loaded with action and character moments, and that's what makes it so excellent.

Man oh man, the Six/Kara fight has to get a mention here! I love the way it was choreographed - none of the usual prissy cat-fight garbage you usually get when two women are fighting on tv. This was a serious, no holds barred fight and it was awesome. Helfer and Sackoff really brought it!

The stand-off on Colonial One - I have such respect for the way Roslin handled the situation, and I love the way MM played it. I also respect Lee's decision - I'm usually pretty ambivalent about his character, but he made the right move.

The Opera House - It's so awesome watching this scene after seeing the whole show through to the end. Set up for so much. "The shape of things to come" indeed!

The End - Talk about a "HOLY FRAK" moment! I remember not being able to pick my jaw up off the floor the first time I saw it. Still gets me, even when I know what's coming. I came to BSG late, so lucky for me, I never had to wait for S2; I cannot even imagine what that must've been like, waiting months to see what happened!!!!

What a brilliant end to a brilliant inaugural season.

chaddergate
June 6th, 2011, 11:20 AM
Just beyond brilliant.

It starts with the music. McCreary's "Kobol's Last Gleaming" is hauntingly beautiful, and "The Shape of Things to Come" is epic. There's a reason why McCreary's tracks are almost all (except for "Black Market" and "Two Boomers") part of my top-100 tracks (by play count). McCreary is a genius!

I've been meaning to get the Bear McCreary soundtracks for a long time now....because I believe the music makes a show. I have watched shows & movies in the past, and thought, "this would be much better, if the music didn't suck". And, the main reason my wife watched BSG with me when it originally aired WAS for the music.



The End - Talk about a "HOLY FRAK" moment! I remember not being able to pick my jaw up off the floor the first time I saw it. Still gets me, even when I know what's coming. I came to BSG late, so lucky for me, I never had to wait for S2; I cannot even imagine what that must've been like, waiting months to see what happened!!!!

What a brilliant end to a brilliant inaugural season.

And, yes, the end of this episode is EPIC.

Professor_S
June 6th, 2011, 04:31 PM
I've been meaning to get the Bear McCreary soundtracks for a long time now....because I believe the music makes a show. I have watched shows & movies in the past, and thought, "this would be much better, if the music didn't suck". And, the main reason my wife watched BSG with me when it originally aired WAS for the music.

And, yes, the end of this episode is EPIC.

It's so true. It's amazing the amount of work the music does in ostensibly visual media. You should definitely grab them if you can (the soundtracks, that is) - they truly are brilliant.

mrscopterdoc
June 19th, 2014, 09:52 AM
So many twists I was not expecting!!

garhkal
June 19th, 2014, 03:32 PM
The flying of the Raptor with nuke into the Basestar was a bit too similar to SGA Siege 2 and 3; who thought of it first? Probably both were thought of at about the same time?


It's also been done in other sci fy shows iirc. But when it was done here, imo there was more impact. Especially with the conformation of Boomer being a cylon.



I've only seen series one so don't spoil it if you know the following!: Do you reckon that this "God" that the Cylons keep banging on about is who-or whatever is the mastermind behind the Cylon plan?

I always thought it was ironically linked that there were 12 cylon models, 12 human colonies (each with a patron god), ONE race of humans, and One cylon god..


1. Why didn't Six kill Starbuck? (Perhaps Leoben has told the other Cylons about her destiny, that the Cylons can't interfere with?)

I think it was more her toying with starbuck, than anything else.