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Indiana
July 19th, 2004, 11:36 AM
What did everyone think of the music in the Pilot from the opening theme to the music that played as Atlantis Rose to that what played as The Puddle Jumper escaped the Wraiths?

I liked the opening theme. It sounded like it was recorded in an orchestra rather than synthesized on a computer. It is not as catchy as the Stargate theme by David Arnold, but is still more epic than that of most TV shows out there. I like how the music in Stargate will try to reflect that of a big orchestra rather than that of an electric score.

The Atlantis Rising theme was the same theme we heard in The Lost City when jack let loose the Drones on Anubis and brought goosebumps to me.

I thought that the music accompanied the action well in this episode. It sounded exciting and not repetitive as usual. Although, I wonder if the music will suffer in both SG-1 and Atlantis with Joel Goldsmith doing scores on both the series. That means he will have to score 40 episode of music in a 9 year run. Pretty tough.

Indiana
July 19th, 2004, 11:40 AM
What film are you talking about?

Ugly Pig
July 19th, 2004, 01:41 PM
I thought they had just scored the film. I think next week (or whenever episode 2 airs), they'll probably have something else. Something they were allowed to spend more time on.
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're trying to say here? :S

Selmak
July 19th, 2004, 01:43 PM
I think he's trying to say there may be a different theme for they next episode since The Rising was only a pilot and didn't have a normal opening sequence.

Ugly Pig
July 19th, 2004, 01:48 PM
Oh, okay. That makes sense. Although the opening theme will probably be based on a theme used in the pilot (or vice versa, I suppose).

Oh - and contrary to what deluzion said, Atlantis is actually not shot on film at all, but on HD. There was actually a thread about that a little while back.

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 19th, 2004, 01:53 PM
I think he's trying to say there may be a different theme for they next episode since The Rising was only a pilot and didn't have a normal opening sequence.

That's the impression I got, too. I hope it was just a one time thing; I thought the opening theme score was pretty bland. I do agree that the music during the ep was good, though.

Indiana
July 19th, 2004, 02:58 PM
Bland? Hello, were you not humming it? You should listen to it. its some of the better music thematically i have heard by Joel Goldsmith. it's quite humable. Maybe not as humable as the SG-1 End Credits or the main theme, but pretty good especially for a TV movie.

Newbie
July 19th, 2004, 03:27 PM
i loved all the music that played in the pilot! And , may be, there is going to be a differet musci in the next ep, because i hope they'll get a title scene...with all the actors, etc...like sg1 has...so i don't think it can be bad

Ugly Pig
July 19th, 2004, 03:40 PM
Bland? Hello, were you not humming it? You should listen to it. its some of the better music thematically i have heard by Joel Goldsmith. it's quite humable.
For some reason, I couldn't get the theme from Star Trek Voyager off my mind all night after watching it... Seriously. :S

somme
July 19th, 2004, 03:59 PM
I hope the opening sequence isn't tacky. To be honest I think the SG-1 one is. I much prefer the image of a Sarcophagos, or Egyptian statue we used to have to, until season 6. I blame Jonas. lol.

Ugly Pig
July 19th, 2004, 04:07 PM
I hope the opening sequence isn't tacky. To be honest I think the SG-1 one is. I much prefer the image of a Sarcophagos, or Egyptian statue we used to have to, until season 6. I blame Jonas. lol.
I hate the Pharaoh opening. Not just because it's boring, but I do not find it graceful or stylish or whatever.

I mean, it's ripped straigth from the opening credits of the movie. It worked really well there, but with the abbreviated version used on SG-1 set to the faster paced version of the Stargate theme, it just doesn't. It doesn't fit! Plus, it seems really cheap. And it doesn't help that the video quality is not the best, either.

somme
July 19th, 2004, 04:15 PM
I prefered that to the new one. With the same footage every week, and the cast is introduced in a very tacky way I think. I mean yeah it doesn't really matter what the opening credits are like but still.

Actually I did quite like the Season 6 opening sequence, in the very first episode. I think that was just footage of the inner track on the gate moving. That was probably cheap as well, but sometimes cheap is cheerful. :)

Ugly Pig
July 19th, 2004, 04:16 PM
The "spinning gate" opening was actually pretty cool. My favorite is still the 'clips' opening from the early seasons, though. The one used on seasons 1 - 3 on the DVDs.

somme
July 19th, 2004, 04:22 PM
I haven't seen those, only own Season 6 on DVD so far. Have all the rest on VHS expcept for one here and there.

Chevron_nine
July 19th, 2004, 04:43 PM
I liked the theme played during the credits although it did remind me of star trek for some reason although The only Trek I really watched was Voyager. I'm about 99% sure they will use the same theme for the opening. One of the reasons I think so is because the music played for exactly 1 minute. I think it will work really well once into video is completed to go with it. I can picture the actors faces poping up to that music, as well as some action sequences.

ATimson
July 19th, 2004, 08:31 PM
For some reason, I couldn't get the theme from Star Trek Voyager off my mind all night after watching it... Seriously. :S

Well, the Voyager theme was written by the dad of the guy who's been doing the Stargate music recently.... :p

Indiana
July 20th, 2004, 06:31 AM
Iwas going to say that also. Joel Golsmith co-composed First Contact (I believe) with his dad Jerry, but nah, I did not think of Voyager at all. it sounded pretty original to me and I've got a pretty good ear when it comes to music ;)

Replicarter
July 20th, 2004, 10:32 AM
Yea I hate the pharaoh opening to, I didn’t see a new opening till season 6, but when you get season 1 on DVD, it has a totally different opening, why did they change it just for the DVD? And I can’t wait to see the opening for episode 3 of Atlantis, I hope they don’t make it like Stargate with the gate spinning and lots of clips.

VirtualCLD
July 20th, 2004, 10:36 AM
Yea I hate the pharaoh opening to, I didn’t see a new opening till season 6, but when you get season 1 on DVD, it has a totally different opening, why did they change it just for the DVD? And I can’t wait to see the opening for episode 3 of Atlantis, I hope they don’t make it like Stargate with the gate spinning and lots of clips.
No spinnig stargates in Atlantis, so probably no gate spinning clips in the title sequence.

Chevron_nine
July 20th, 2004, 10:37 AM
... I hope they don’t make it like Stargate with the gate spinning and lots of clips.
Well, seeing as how the gate doesn't mechanically spin anymore I don't think they will be doing that. They might do it with the lights, but I can't really picture it looking nice that way. My favourite opening was probably the one from early season six with just the close-up of the gate.

ATimson
July 20th, 2004, 10:42 AM
Iwas going to say that also. Joel Golsmith co-composed First Contact (I believe) with his dad Jerry

Well, it depends on how you define "co-compose"; each wrote pieces of music for the movie, but they didn't work together on the same pieces. ;)


but nah, I did not think of Voyager at all. it sounded pretty original to me and I've got a pretty good ear when it comes to music ;)

Same here, on both counts. :)

Replicarter
July 20th, 2004, 10:45 AM
lol, you new fine well what I meant, twas clearly a mistake. :rolleyes:

ATimson
July 20th, 2004, 10:47 AM
I didn’t see a new opening till season 6, but when you get season 1 on DVD, it has a totally different opening, why did they change it just for the DVD?

Almost all of the first three seasons (322 being the exception) used the syndication opening rather than the Showtime one. I don't know why they switched, but it corresponded with when they began recording commentaries, if that means anything.

(Did the 322 commentary make it onto the R2 or R4 DVDs? It's not on the R1 DVDs....)


And I can’t wait to see the opening for episode 3 of Atlantis, I hope they don’t make it like Stargate with the gate spinning and lots of clips.

Keep in mind, they don't have that much material to get clips from....

Whitster
July 20th, 2004, 11:15 AM
I thought the spinning gate opening from Redemption and the Head opening were the two best. I think the DVD clips opening from seasons 1-3 was really tacky and made it seem like a overly american show, like a sitcom or something especially the way the characters faces poped up with their names. The intro to season 6-onwards ain't too bad just the way the characters pop up is a bit cheesy still.

Replicarter
July 20th, 2004, 11:22 AM
erm, what do you mean by 'popup'?

And, syndication? is that a channel, and showtime? stargate is on sci-fi. and why would different channels have different openings?

Ugly Pig
July 20th, 2004, 12:39 PM
Yea I hate the pharaoh opening to, I didn’t see a new opening till season 6, but when you get season 1 on DVD, it has a totally different opening, why did they change it just for the DVD?
They didn't. That version was originally used in syndication. Or so I've heard.

DownFallAngel
July 20th, 2004, 12:40 PM
I don't remeber seeing it in syndication when I used to watch it on the Japanese channel.

Ugly Pig
July 20th, 2004, 12:42 PM
I wouldn't know about airings in Japan, but when they showed season 1 in Norway the versions they aired were identical to the DVD, except they were 4:3 instead of 16:9.

Wrathox
July 20th, 2004, 01:24 PM
The theme they played at the start of Atlantis reminded me of the theme from Water World. Which I love.

Indiana
July 20th, 2004, 01:43 PM
I'll have to say that I loved the Pharaoh motion control shot from the TV series. I saw Stargate ages ago and so when SG-1 came on I didnt know it was from the feature. I think its good because it's different from other shows, which feel that you have to have an in your face opening titles sequence to draw their viewers in. it's as if they think that if you don't have a cool, fast paced openeing sequence then you'll get bored and turn it off.

For 5 years they had the Pharaoh titles. In syndication they created a montage opening sequence because they felt they needed something cool to hook their audiences. The Showtime network was subscription so they felt they believed their viewers were paying for that channel so they wanted to see what was on it. In Syndication oweer, it's free so they felt they had to make that catchy, hooky sequence.

Although, originally the reason for the Pharaoh opening titles was that they didnt have a lot of cool shots to create a montage. So they went with the feature titles and stuck with it for five years. When they left showtime they decided to change. So the Pharaoh sequence is really a Showtime thing :)

ATimson
July 20th, 2004, 07:16 PM
And, syndication? is that a channel, and showtime? stargate is on sci-fi. and why would different channels have different openings?

Showtime is another cable channel, a premium one like HBO (where you have to pay money specifically for that channel, as opposed to Sci-Fi). It was where the first five seasons of SG-1 aired.

Syndication isn't a cable channel, but rather a distribution method. The show is sold to specific stations (those airing hour-long dramas are usually ones in the UHF band, belonging to Fox, UPN, and the WB), rather than a network; each station gets an episode a week, and chooses when within that week to air it. The syndicated episodes are two or three seasons behind the original broadcasts on cable. (Other examples of syndicated shows include the original runs of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, the first four seasons of Babylon 5, and Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda--which is still airing in syndication its fifth season, but will be a week behind the episodes on Sci-Fi.)

uknesvuinng
July 20th, 2004, 10:18 PM
Showtime is another cable channel, a premium one like HBO (where you have to pay money specifically for that channel, as opposed to Sci-Fi). It was where the first five seasons of SG-1 aired.

Syndication isn't a cable channel, but rather a distribution method. The show is sold to specific stations (those airing hour-long dramas are usually ones in the UHF band, belonging to Fox, UPN, and the WB), rather than a network; each station gets an episode a week, and chooses when within that week to air it. The syndicated episodes are two or three seasons behind the original broadcasts on cable. (Other examples of syndicated shows include the original runs of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, the first four seasons of Babylon 5, and Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda--which is still airing in syndication its fifth season, but will be a week behind the episodes on Sci-Fi.)

Interestingly enough, we have a Fox station in our area that shows Andromeda episodes in syndication a week ahead of Sci-Fi. I think WGN shows them a week ahead as well on Sunday nights.

Anthro Girl
July 21st, 2004, 12:27 AM
I didn't mind the Pharoah opening sequence (although it did work better the movie), but my favorite is the no-clips, spinning gate opener for Season 6.

I wrote this somewhere else, but the music being played when they first get to Atlantis and are exploring the city is from SG-1's episode The Light. Joel Goldsmith has been doing the scores for SG-1 all along and I've found them to be quite beautifully crafted. His dad is quite a famous film and television composer (Gunsmoke, Twilight Zone, Planet of the Apes, Alien, Omen, several Star Trek movies and series), so it runs in the family. :)

Torley
July 21st, 2004, 01:13 AM
To be fair, electronic music can sound just as "big" than any acoustic symphony orchestra. Some of those pad sounds and other synthetic leads are YUGE (in the Donald Trump sense) :). Although if you want to sound like real instruments, for authenticity's sake, then use real instruments! ;) Don't make a cat pretend to be a dog because it won't work out, play on the strengths of both.

I've heard too many hackeneyed ripoffs of the greats like John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith with big orchestral blasts, and I enjoy Joel's work in his own right and light to shine. There are many misunderstandings about which can do what, and does anyone else remember how dramatic the music on Star Trek: TNG generally was before the end of the 3rd season? Then it kind of got more subdued from there, which wasn't my taste. I like the catchy melodies, but I've got to hear what the end result is. Stargate SG-1 has had many memorable themes and scores composed by a handful of contributors over the years, but consistently good I think.

ATimson
July 21st, 2004, 04:14 AM
Interestingly enough, we have a Fox station in our area that shows Andromeda episodes in syndication a week ahead of Sci-Fi. I think WGN shows them a week ahead as well on Sunday nights.

That'll change next season; they're behind now because their deal to air GRA was signed mid-season.

ATimson
July 21st, 2004, 04:18 AM
There are many misunderstandings about which can do what, and does anyone else remember how dramatic the music on Star Trek: TNG generally was before the end of the 3rd season? Then it kind of got more subdued from there, which wasn't my taste.

That would coincide with the firing of Ron Jones (since he consistently went over budget; we got excellent scores like "Best of Both Worlds" from him, though) and Rick Berman reining in the other composers. There was an occasional outstanding score after then, though mostly for "event" episodes: "Way of the Warrior" and "Broken Bow" both come to mind.