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Chevron_nine
July 19th, 2004, 12:24 PM
One thing I noticed is the gate-related props don't seem to go together.

The new gate should have 36 place-holder spots for symbols even though the bottom one's aren't visible. Although this doesn't really mean anything since it should be able to use more than 36-symbols since they're just lights. This is still kind of annoying though. The original gate had 39 symbols.

From Rising it seems to me like all Pegasus gates are this new model, not just the atlantis one like I previously assumed.

The new dialing computer has 37 buttons including the POO, as one of the buttons, it's the one in the middle.

The new DHD has 38 buttons including the POO, just like the old one. THE BIG BLUE BUTTON IS NOT THE POO. SEVEN SYMBOLS WERE CLEARLY DIALLED, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS, ANYONE WHO SAYS THE BIG BUTTON IS THE POO IS NUTS. There has been nothing in SG-1 to suggest they have ever used the button as a POO and I have never seen them CLEARLY dial less than 7 symbols. You can't judge how many buttons they dial by sound effects.

The puddle jumper seems to have even less buttons, but I don't have any clear pictures of it, so I can't judge that yet. There may be one or two more rows displayed vertically on the console, which were never visible.

Can't they just make props that should actually work together?

VirtualCLD
July 19th, 2004, 12:39 PM
When the Wraiths flew back home through the gate, there were only six sybols lit up on the DHD. Shepard even told Ford, "Burn those six symbols in your mind!" (paraphrased). I saw Rising several times and there were only 6 buttons lit. I can get a screen cap later, I'm not on the computer with the recording now. However, if I am wrong about that particular scene, please inform me. I also do not mean to say that other DHD scenes in SG-1 only had 6 symbols lit up. I'm sure there were plenty times that there were seven symbols lit on a DHD, not including the Big Red Button. All I'm saying is that in Rising, I could see how the Big Blue Button (or Bulb?) could be interpreted as the PoO, becasue only 6 symbols were lit.

EYU86
July 19th, 2004, 12:40 PM
Lemme watch rising for that part now
h/o tight

EYU86
July 19th, 2004, 12:42 PM
It was indeed 7 symbols lit up on the DHD

VirtualCLD
July 19th, 2004, 12:43 PM
OK, that's fine, I wasn't 100% positive, only 90%. Obviously that 10% bit me from behind.

What did Shepard say to Ford about remembering the symbols, word for word?


:: Thinks :: Wow, I can't believe I got that wrong. I even freeze framed to count the symbols b/c I was curious. you know I'll have to double check as soon as I get home, even though you're right.

EYU86
July 19th, 2004, 12:47 PM
The new gate should have 36 place-holder spots for symbols even though the bottom one's aren't visible. Although this doesn't really mean anything since it should be able to use more than 36-symbols since they're just lights. This is still kind of annoying though. The original gate had 39 symbols.

The new dialing computer has 37 buttons including the POO, as one of the buttons, it's the one in the middle.

The puddle jumper seems to have even less buttons, but I don't have any clear pictures of it, so I can't judge that yet. There may be one or two more rows displayed vertically on the console, which were never visible.
The new gate does have 36 spots for symbols, because 9 chevrons with 4 spots between each chevron equals 36.

The dialing computer thing I wouldn't know cuz I didn't count

The puddlejumper is a mystery, it looked like it had half of the symbols on the dialing computer on Atlantis. Really weird

aAnubiSs
July 19th, 2004, 12:53 PM
The Atlantis symbols are encased in a /\ so it goes /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ and so on with one /\ and one \/

Mio
July 19th, 2004, 12:55 PM
The new gate doesn't need 39 places for symbols, since they are generated by the gate as needed.

EYU86
July 19th, 2004, 12:57 PM
The Atlantis symbols are encased in a /\ so it goes /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ and so on with one /\ and one \/
You mean on the puddlejumper?

Mio
July 19th, 2004, 12:58 PM
You mean on the puddlejumper? The atlantis Dialing computer has triangular buttons. The puddle jumper has the same type of buttons.

aAnubiSs
July 19th, 2004, 12:59 PM
Mio is correct, both the dialing computer and the puddle jumpers dialing computer.

EYU86
July 19th, 2004, 12:59 PM
Oh, I knew that, but what about the puddlejumpers, my eyes are seeing right, right? There seem to be much less buttons.

aAnubiSs
July 19th, 2004, 01:00 PM
Because each button is infact two buttons fit together.

Mio
July 19th, 2004, 01:01 PM
There are 3 levels of buttons

Like:
buttons
.......\b
........\u
.........\t
..........\t
...........\o
............\n
.............\s
..............\buttons

EYU86
July 19th, 2004, 01:04 PM
ah so, okay, I understand

Chevron_nine
July 19th, 2004, 01:07 PM
I can see how you could think 6 symbols were lit up on the DHD beause two were lit up side-by side. I noticed that a lot of the time on SG-1 the symbol beside the POO is usually one of the one's lit up. Maybe this is how the myth of six symbol dialing came about.

Chevron_nine
July 19th, 2004, 01:22 PM
There are 21 symbols on the flat surface of the Jumper.

First Row - 5
Next row - 7
Farthest row - 9

If the tilted rows follow the same pattern we can assume the next row has 9 and the one on top 7. just like the dialing computer. This makes a total of 37 symbols in the Jumper.

The only reason they probably didn't use 36 or 39 symbols is because they wouldn't be able to make a nice hexagon-like shape:p



DIALING COMPUTER
../\/\/\
./\/\/\/\
/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\/
.\/\/\/\/



PUDDLE JUMPER
./\/\/\/\
/\/\/\/\/\
console is tilted here
\/\/\/\/\/
.\/\/\/\/
..\/\/\/

Each row should have a horizontal line inbetween so the buttons arn't diamonds, but triangles. The dot's are just there because the board doesn't want to put spaces in.

Erik Pasternak
July 19th, 2004, 01:46 PM
I can see how you could think 6 symbols were lit up on the DHD beause two were lit up side-by side. I noticed that a lot of the time on SG-1 the symbol beside the POO is usually one of the one's lit up. Maybe this is how the myth of six symbol dialing came about.Yeah, I originally saw six, but on closer inspection, I realized seven were lit up, WHICH IS WRONG! And before you disagree, let me explain. The Dial-Home-Device (DHD) has two rows of buttons, each with the same number (19). Two equal numbers added together MUST BE an even number (38). And since we've never seen a blank button, you have to assume that there are 38, not forty. The 'gate has 39 symbols, meaning the center button MUST be the PoO.

EYU86
July 19th, 2004, 01:48 PM
DIALING COMPUTER
../\/\/\
./\/\/\/\
/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\/
.\/\/\/\/



PUDDLE JUMPER
./\/\/\/\
/\/\/\/\/\
console is tilted here
\/\/\/\/\/
.\/\/\/\/
..\/\/\/

Each row should have a horizontal line inbetween so the buttons arn't diamonds, but triangles. The dot's are just there because the board doesn't want to put spaces in.
Thanks for the visual representation.

Chevron_nine
July 19th, 2004, 02:12 PM
Yeah, I originally saw six, but on closer inspection, I realized seven were lit up, WHICH IS WRONG! And before you disagree, let me explain. The Dial-Home-Device (DHD) has two rows of buttons, each with the same number (19). Two equal numbers added together MUST BE an even number (38). And since we've never seen a blank button, you have to assume that there are 38, not forty. The 'gate has 39 symbols, meaning the center button MUST be the PoO.
I agree that there are 38 symbols on the DHD, I know this for a fact, I've counted them. There has never been anything to indicate that all stargate symbols MUST be on the DHD. It can be missing a symbol, just like the new computer. There might be a symbol that is never used in addresses.

In CoTG daniel had to look at the DHD to determine the POO. Why does he need to determine it if it's the Big Red button? This was the pilot so we might as well disregard this fact.

In solitudes Sam looked at the DHD and said "This has to be the POO I've never seen it before". -paraphrased

It's a fact that the POO is a symbol on the gate this has been shown is a few episodes.

Another question that I just thought of, some planets have an ordinary constellation as a POO symbol, In this case what's filling the extra gap on the gate? Is the symbol just doubled?

aAnubiSs
July 19th, 2004, 02:19 PM
Our galaxy's DHD doesn't have to be exactly the same, just like the gates aren't the same.

diskiller
July 19th, 2004, 07:01 PM
Our galaxy's DHD doesn't have to be exactly the same, just like the gates aren't the same.

I think.. we might just have to accept.. that this is SciFi.. and that the writers/production/propguys/etc have screwed up.

Yeah there's 38 symbols on Version 1.0 DHDs, and 39 symbols on Version 1.0 Gates. Where that last symbol is, who knows,
especially if the red button is not the PoO. Which i don't think it is. In CotG and Solitudes, there were clearly
references to the PoO symbol on the DHD.

In atlantis, there appears to be only 37 symbols on the computerised DHD to make it look cooler in a hexagon. Again, maybe
a production error. Or maybe there are only 37 symbols for pegasus galaxy addresses as opposed to 39. Then again, the
Version 2.0 DHD's still had 38 buttons (guys that counted - am i correct?) so there lies another possibly problem. Or maybe
the Version 2.0 DHD has two rows of 17 buttons making 36 as opposied of two rows of 18 making 38. Who knows!

This means that pegsaus Version 2.0 gates/dhd's cannot dial all milkway gates as some of those gates may require the
38th or 39th gate symbol that the Version 2.0 DHD does not have to dial it.

Thats the best i can think of for now. Perhaps, hopefully, this will all get clarafied in future episodes.

EYU86
July 19th, 2004, 07:13 PM
Or it will be a goof that will never be corrected or explained because its just a TV show.

Mio
July 19th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Or it will be a goof that will never be corrected or explained because its just a TV show.
Just a TV show?!

JUST A TV SHOW?!

::stares::

EYU86
July 19th, 2004, 07:48 PM
Yes, just a TV show
::gotta keep telling myself its just a TV show, nothing to get overly excited about::

Just a TV show...

Just a TV show...

Just a TV show...

Just a TV show...

Just... THE BEST DAMN TV SHOW THAT WAS EVER MADE!!!

EYU86
July 19th, 2004, 07:50 PM
I apologize for my outburst, it was uncalled for.
When I supress my feelings for too long it happens.
Again, I'm sorry.

diskiller
July 20th, 2004, 01:53 AM
Just... THE BEST DAMN TV SHOW THAT WAS EVER MADE!!!

I have to absolutely agree!!

I've been a total StarGate fan since the SG-1 pilot aired in Australia (the day after they aired the Movie).

I was hooked, and am to this day!