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prion
January 4th, 2006, 03:30 AM
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060104/law066.html?.v=41

EXCERPT:

Commencing Summer 2006, SPHE will begin adding bonus BD Java games, and other anticipated features, to new release titles including Underworld Evolution that will street day-and-date with DVD. The studio announced it will also deliver four catalog titles per month beginning this Summer, accelerating to 10 titles per month by the fourth quarter 2006. Also being readied for Summer release is the complete television series of sci-fi favorite, "Stargate Atlantis," in high-definition.

*click on link above for entire PR release*

Agent_Dark
January 4th, 2006, 04:04 AM
Hmmm, interesting :)

Skydiver
January 4th, 2006, 04:30 AM
so are thse blue ray discs backwards compatible with existing dvd players? or will folks be expected to trot out and plunk down more money to buy a special deck just to play them?

Nem2k
January 4th, 2006, 05:02 AM
nothing to get too excited about imo, i dont believe blu-ray is backwards compatible with current dvd players as they use red lasers which have a different wavelength

and not to mention youd need a HD TV in order to take full advantage of the medium :rolleyes:

Skydiver
January 4th, 2006, 07:10 AM
so, unless they happen to release both red AND blue ray versions, they're really segregating the show off, putting it into an unavailable format? Kinda like releasing it in PSP only. which is great if you have a play station, an expensive coaster if you don't

Nem2k
January 4th, 2006, 07:16 AM
lol well they are releasing a version for red laser machines, theyre just normal DVDs :)

but i think the idea behind it is they want to get people to upgrade their machines to blu ray players as theyll be making them backwards compatible with DVDs as well

so i wouldnt call it segregating the show off, just merely future proofing it and making it accessible to the next generation of technology, its just a shame theyre not gunna be giving away blu ray players and HDTVs with the orders :rolleyes:

Skydiver
January 4th, 2006, 09:32 AM
yeah. it's the same way with wanting all the tv stations to go pure digital in a few years. yeah, sure, it'll be a 'cleaner and nicer signal' (althuogh digital is by its very nature on or off, there's no inbetween like there is with analog)

but the folks that came up with the idea didn't stop to think about how few companies that are out there that can build the new towers required, how much it would cost local stations, and how freaking expensive the tv's are.

they need to handle it like they have cell phones, where the cell phone companies basically give away the tech for free to commit you to paying for service.

i know there's no way i could afford a hdtv and i doubt i'll be clamouring to be the first on my block to get a blue ray either

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 4th, 2006, 10:40 AM
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=33949


The movie studios announced the release of several SF&F movie titles on the upcoming new high-definition Blu-ray Disc technology, which holds up to five times as much information as current DVDs, the ComingSoon.net Web site reported.

Qasim
January 4th, 2006, 10:49 AM
Use the search n00b!!! Theres a thread about this in Stargate News :D

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 4th, 2006, 11:06 AM
Cool, but I'm not going to buy them on Blu-Ray, I', just going to continue to buy them in good old DVD format

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 4th, 2006, 11:08 AM
Use the search n00b!!! Theres a thread about this in Stargate News :D
You know I just saw that.

ToasterOnFire
January 4th, 2006, 11:45 AM
Ooh! Fifth Element and Stoker's Dracula! Those should be fabulous in HD!

Odd though that Sony owns both Atlantis and SG1 yet there's no mention of the latter getting HDized...

Still, I recommend waiting this one out for a while. Blu Ray is going to be competing with HD-DVD and it's likely that there's only going to be one winner in the media format war. I'm not going to even think about buying a player and discs until there's a clear victor.

Darren
January 4th, 2006, 01:16 PM
This is all next-generation stuff, meaning techies with lots of money will buy it this year and the rest of us will get around to it a few years down the road when it's cheap and more prominent. Then you'll think of your DVD player like you do your VCR.

Supposedly the new high-def players will also play your current generation DVDs ...

Merentha
January 4th, 2006, 01:40 PM
Ahh, this is why I've been holding off buying the regular DVDs. After watching SGA in HD up here in Canada, it's really hard to go back to regular tv or even regular DVDs. It just looks brilliant!

Too bad Sony's evil and will no doubt cripple these discs with DRM :p

And unfortunately this is also true...


Still, I recommend waiting this one out for a while. Blu Ray is going to be competing with HD-DVD and it's likely that there's only going to be one winner in the media format war. I'm not going to even think about buying a player and discs until there's a clear victor.
*keeps on waiting*

Qasim
January 4th, 2006, 01:50 PM
Still, I recommend waiting this one out for a while. Blu Ray is going to be competing with HD-DVD and it's likely that there's only going to be one winner in the media format war. I'm not going to even think about buying a player and discs until there's a clear victor.http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/storage/story/0,10801,107441,00.html

creed462
January 4th, 2006, 02:01 PM
It sounds cool, but instead of High Defination, I'd rather have more eps in the current fromat, Or even more eps with VHS, There is only so much the eye can detect

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 4th, 2006, 02:48 PM
http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/storage/story/0,10801,107441,00.html
Thanks for that link, Qasim.

toranoko
January 4th, 2006, 02:54 PM
Pretty cool. But with news about holographic discs coming up, Blue-ray doesn't sound as awesome. Time will tell though.

Drax
January 4th, 2006, 03:36 PM
I build up a collection of 265 DVDs (including all available seasons of Stargate SG-1), and they throw this at us. Standard DVD hasn't even been mainstream for six years. This is corporate greed that's going to hit where it really hurts.

Eoin
January 4th, 2006, 04:40 PM
The blu-ray (or HD-DVD) thing was gonna happen sooner or later
I kinda like the idea of films and Stargate being released on blu-ray, but then again i kinda dont see the point, Toshiba (or one of those japanese companies) are currently developing a disc that use's a laser with an even lower wave length to the blue laser (violet i think). It can store up to 500GB, with that kinda space you could have all of the seasons of SG1 and SGA on one disc :D
But then again what if the disc broke :eek:, I suppose everything has its good bits and bad bits
:)
*Waits impatiently for the blu-ray players to be released*

Qasim
January 4th, 2006, 04:47 PM
They come next year but they wont be cheap

Edit: I mean this year *still thinking its 2005* :D

Skyler
January 4th, 2006, 05:19 PM
I build up a collection of 265 DVDs (including all available seasons of Stargate SG-1), and they throw this at us. Standard DVD hasn't even been mainstream for six years. This is corporate greed that's going to hit where it really hurts.

I agree. Do they expect people to re-buy ALL of SG1 if they re-release it, and re-buy season 1 of SGA? Although I just recently bought a HD-TV and it would make sense for me to convert, I think its greed.

The only way I would see it being acceptable is if they offered SG1 as an entire series set for a LOW price (like around 70 or so dollars) and BOTH seasons of SGA as a set as well.

wilhil
January 5th, 2006, 01:27 AM
This will be a nightmare releasing blue ray disks before blueray vs hd-dvd is even thought of, I guess we can only hope that this war will mean that studios will try and do a price war to get people more interested in one format

I have just purchased series 1 - 7 of SG1, and wa going to buy SGA 1 and SG1 8 about 3 months after they are released (when they price drop), Should I wait for the new format,

I already think that whenever SG1 does end, (I hope never...) they will release new box sets like they do with every other show.

I was fine rebuying certain products when we moved from VHS to DVD, instant skipping, better quality.... well everyone knows that dvd is better, but frankly I will hate it if they expect people to rebuy everything for DVD > blueray.

I guess they will just add some extra features only available if you buy a box set...

Ahh sorry, just going on a rant here!

edit - lol, guess I am not alone in thinking like this! I read parts of the first page and made my reply!

Skydiver
January 5th, 2006, 04:43 AM
there will always be some completists that will re-buy, but frankly i just tracked down all the seasons, i'm not gonna start over and shell out several hundred dollars just to get a couple of hours of specials

they can take their greed and stick it

i think the only way this would work is if the blue ray discs are cheaper than the old ones. yes, cheaper.

i mean, the tech behind blue ray is just a way for the movie companies to stick more content on less discs, saving them production costs....so pass it on.

sell a season for $20, use the cost effectiveness to get people hooked on the new format, which means taht the old format can be phased out. if they do it the other way around, making the new seasons - presuming they re-release - more expensive, it'll be a relative flop.

people don't have the disposible income they had a few years ago, and many are sick and tired of movie companies doing thier 'yeah, we've added 15 minutes, now you HAVE to buy this new version' endless cycle of paying 2-3 times over for the same stuff

you want people to embrace this new tech, make it cheap.

Vyse
January 5th, 2006, 07:47 AM
I'm glad I didn't pick up Atlantis yet! I will be getting a PS3 eventually, which will use Blu-Ray so I'm happy. May HD-DVD go down in flames!

Vyse
January 5th, 2006, 07:52 AM
they can take their greed and stick it

i think the only way this would work is if the blue ray discs are cheaper than the old ones. yes, cheaper.

i mean, the tech behind blue ray is just a way for the movie companies to stick more content on less discs, saving them production costs....so pass it on.



Well it is also impossible for movies, shows, etc... to be shown at true HD resolutions. These resolutions are 720p, 1080i, and the most recent 1080p. Standard DVDs can't hold enough space to go beyond standard progressive scan whivh is 480p. Standard definition TVs only run at 480i. While it is true for most movies, shows, etc... will not benefit from the new format, movies like Star Wars Episode III shot with digital cameras will look lightyears better on an HDTV with a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD disc.

Vyse
January 5th, 2006, 07:58 AM
Let me just give a quick overview of what some of these HD terms mean.

"i" stands for interlaced. Interlaced is when the picture is split into two fields, even and odd. The TV refreshes the lines of the odd then the even about 1/16th of a second later.
"p" stands for progressive. In progressive resolutions the picture is scanned all at once creating a smoother picture.

The numbers like 720, and 1080 represent how many pixels are shown on screen. The more pixels the more detail you can have.

One funny thing about HD, you have been sitting in front of an HD monitor for years and maybe have not realized it. Your computer monitor is a HD display, it's just taken a while for TVs to catch up!

Qasim
January 5th, 2006, 08:12 AM
i mean, the tech behind blue ray is just a way for the movie companies to stick more content on less discs, saving them production costs....so pass it on.Actually for hd-dvd they have to modify their existing manufacturing process slightly but for blu-ray they need a new system and that is gonna cost big $$$

prion
January 5th, 2006, 08:36 AM
What kills me is that SGA is filmed in HD, yet I can't get decent reception off the SciFi channel. Grrr.....

Qasim
January 5th, 2006, 08:38 AM
There are other ways.....

Arative
January 5th, 2006, 08:47 AM
Skydiver, unless you recieve all your programming over the air with an antenna, then you don't have to worry about buying a new tv in Feb, 2009, date mandated by the Federal Government for stations to make the switch from analog broadcasts to digital. If you have cable, you don't need to worry at all about the switch. If you still use an antenna to recieve your TV signal, then you buy a digital converter and the government is even talking about giving people vouchers to get the converters. In the long run, converting to digital signal will actually help the US. Here is a decent article about the changes coming up
http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/04/technology/pluggedin_digitaltv/index.htm

As far as Blu-ray and HD-DVD, just like when dvd technology first came out, the first players are going to be $1000 and only those people that absolutely have to have the newest and shinest piece of technology will plop money down for them. Plus with 2 competeing formats, either one has the possibility of going the way of the betamax. I don't think it has to do with corporate greed so much as it has to do with coming out with newer and better technology. Standard DVD technology isn't going anywhere for next 5-10 years, until the prices began to drop so you can get a HD-DVD or Blu-ray player for $30 from Wal-Mart. Personally before I buy a single high definition dvd I want to wait to see which format wins out or they make dvd players that are dual format as well as backwards compatiable. I also think that which ever format the Porn industry picks, will be the format that wins out so I'll wait to see which format they pick.

Skydiver
January 5th, 2006, 09:37 AM
Skydiver, unless you recieve all your programming over the air with an antenna, then you don't have to worry about buying a new tv in Feb, 2009, date mandated by the Federal Government for stations to make the switch from analog broadcasts to digital.

i do. :)

we have a satelite dish, but it's the c-band kind and the rest of my local programming is off air.

and, one thing the feds didn't think about is the large rural areas of this country. people don't have cable because there IS no cable, not when you live 30 miles from the nearest town. that's not quite my case, we stopped using local cable about 20 years ago as they kept jacking thier prices up and up and up. eventually we will have to make a decision because more and more stations are leaving c-band and going digital, however this mandate WILL cut off a good chunk of rural residents. there are individuals out there to whom tv isn't a necessity of life, but a luxury and something they turn on when there's soemthing on or if there's a need, such as in severe weather.

these folks will be cut off because they will not have the money to pay on a converter, or maybe they wont have the inclination to pay whatever it is for something they watch 10 hours a week.

jazz!
January 5th, 2006, 09:43 AM
The blu-ray (or HD-DVD) thing was gonna happen sooner or later
I kinda like the idea of films and Stargate being released on blu-ray, but then again i kinda dont see the point, Toshiba (or one of those japanese companies) are currently developing a disc that use's a laser with an even lower wave length to the blue laser (violet i think). It can store up to 500GB, with that kinda space you could have all of the seasons of SG1 and SGA on one disc :D
But then again what if the disc broke :eek:, I suppose everything has its good bits and bad bits
:)
*Waits impatiently for the blu-ray players to be released*



You maybe thinking of this: HVD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc) ?

Drax
January 5th, 2006, 10:24 PM
I'm not confident that Hi-Def discs are going to sell as well as distributors hope. My prediction is that it will become a medium purely for enthusiasts the way Laser Discs did in the 1990's. Most people really don't care if you can see the details of every pore of RDA's face in over a thousand lines of resolution.

I'm quite content with Standard DVD the way it is. I've seen Star Wars Episode III - Revenge of the Sith on a large plasma screen and the level of quality is mind-blowing. Hi-Def, of course would be better, but it's not worth it so soon. What do I do? Keep my existing DVDs or ditch them and start all over again? And again, and again. Because you know they'll release something else in the next five years called "Supa-Hi-Def", then later it'll be "Supa-Dupa-Mega-Ultimate-Hi-Def-3D". It will never end.

Qasim
January 5th, 2006, 10:31 PM
"Supa-Dupa-Mega-Ultimate-Hi-Def-3D". It will never end.LOL Indeed

newtrekker
January 5th, 2006, 11:40 PM
I'm definitely not going to buy them until HDTVs are cheap, which are over $1000AUS at the moment and the Blu-ray players and discs will be cheap also.

BigBadBob
January 6th, 2006, 03:46 AM
not surprising, isn't Sony the developers of the Blu-Ray technology?

Eoin
January 6th, 2006, 05:04 PM
You maybe thinking of this: HVD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc) ?
It might be, ill see if i can find the site with the info on it :)

creed462
January 8th, 2006, 04:23 PM
not surprising, isn't Sony the developers of the Blu-Ray technology?
Yes, among others, I like the fact they will be so roomy, But I rather have more shows per disk then better quality, I can tell the differnce between DVD, and VHS but it is really worth it to me, and to think of the extra lines of resolution, It may not be nessessarry... The human eye can only detect so much, after a while it is only wasted infomation. So say I'd rather have more eps.:)

Drax
January 9th, 2006, 03:02 AM
Also, the High Definition format won't do any good for the first few seasons of SG-1 as they were shot in 16mm. Every grain on the film is completely visible on standard DVD anyway.

methuselah
January 15th, 2006, 06:53 AM
anyone considered recording capablities? I still haven't switched to DVD because the VHS is still the only one with a settled format for recording to removable media. All current DVD's have the +,-, +/-, or some variety of each. Also that required a lot of time to be released.

Resident-Seven
January 23rd, 2006, 07:20 AM
To all the people saying "The human eye can only detect so much", I'd like to point out that while this is true, we sure as hell aren't there yet. Go play a pc game in 1024x768, then play the same game in 1600x1200, if you can't see the difference your eyes are screwed.

I recently got a new pc which I can play games in 1600x1200, the only reason I would ever go back to 1024x768 is if a game was far too taxing for my system, which will be a while.

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray movies had better be in 1080p, 720p would be a nice improvment, but it would also be a little half-arsed.

Merentha
January 23rd, 2006, 11:24 AM
HD-DVD and Blu-Ray movies had better be in 1080p, 720p would be a nice improvment, but it would also be a little half-arsed.
If you're unlucky enough to have a tv without HDCP, you'll be getting little over DVD resolution *big sigh*

High-Def Down-Converting Forced (http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6300812.html)

Totally agree that anyone with decent vision can see there's a big difference between hi def and standard def.

Resident-Seven
January 23rd, 2006, 12:52 PM
All three of my tvs suck, none of them are even flat or widescreen. But it would still be nice to have the higher end option for when I do get better tvs.

CardassianVole
November 1st, 2007, 03:14 PM
Has there been any news on this since the original press release? Surprisingly, to me, I now have Blu-Ray. Thank you overpriced Playstation 3.

Agent_Dark
November 1st, 2007, 04:23 PM
lol, i think they fumbled a bit on the 'summe release' for the atlantis blu-ray version... that was posted in january 2006...

cavalierlwt
November 4th, 2007, 02:42 AM
The Format War makes everything crazy. Mostly they put emphasis on releasing blockbuster movies, along with the occasional wierd choice. Not too much in the way of television series, and I don't think Atlantis will be at the head of the line--although you never know. They are just getting around to putting out "Lost" season three soon, and no word on seasons one and two, if that tells you anything.

IMO, once the Format War (sounds dramatic, doesn't it?) is over I think we'll see studios crank up the release process and put out stuff like SGA. Amazingly they put out the 'Stargate' movie though! Where's the rhyme or reason behind that??

As for whether it will be worth it, it will! You will notice the difference big time. Even the people that have seen SGA in HD via UHD or the new SciFi HD on DirecTV..you ain't seen nothing yet. The bitrate is very low on satellite and cable compared to the monster bitrate that things are encoded at for Blu-ray or HD-DVD. It makes a difference, assuming they use loving care when they make the conversions.

CardassianVole
November 7th, 2007, 09:39 PM
The Format War makes everything crazy. Mostly they put emphasis on releasing blockbuster movies, along with the occasional wierd choice. Not too much in the way of television series, and I don't think Atlantis will be at the head of the line--although you never know. They are just getting around to putting out "Lost" season three soon, and no word on seasons one and two, if that tells you anything.

IMO, once the Format War (sounds dramatic, doesn't it?) is over I think we'll see studios crank up the release process and put out stuff like SGA. Amazingly they put out the 'Stargate' movie though! Where's the rhyme or reason behind that??

As for whether it will be worth it, it will! You will notice the difference big time. Even the people that have seen SGA in HD via UHD or the new SciFi HD on DirecTV..you ain't seen nothing yet. The bitrate is very low on satellite and cable compared to the monster bitrate that things are encoded at for Blu-ray or HD-DVD. It makes a difference, assuming they use loving care when they make the conversions.



So, what you are saying is that they are big fat liars. It should be an easy decision since Sony has a hand in both Blu-Ray and Atlantis. I already have the Startgate movie though. It came in the mail today. I'm also loving the HD Stargate on Fridays. I wonder why they don't broadcast the nightly SG-1 reruns in HD on Scifi... They have the material... I'd hope... It really defeats the purpose of an HD channel when there are black bars on all 4 sides of the picture. Kind of like a joke airing of SG-1. Widescreen... but not...

ussrelativity
November 10th, 2007, 09:44 AM
20th Century Fox has stated that they are increasing their Blu-ray support in 2008, so it is very possible that we will see Atlantis on the format. It is best to go with Blu-ray for so many reasons. More manufacturers support it, and it is best for a long-term physical storage medium. HD-DVD doesn't have the capacity to go long term. Also, Blu-ray is selling much better in every market, and it is important to understand the merits of Blu-ray. It's best that Blu-ray come out on top.

Konrad9
November 10th, 2007, 12:22 PM
20th Century Fox has stated that they are increasing their Blu-ray support in 2008, so it is very possible that we will see Atlantis on the format. It is best to go with Blu-ray for so many reasons. More manufacturers support it, and it is best for a long-term physical storage medium. HD-DVD doesn't have the capacity to go long term. Also, Blu-ray is selling much better in every market, and it is important to understand the merits of Blu-ray. It's best that Blu-ray come out on top.

Yeah... Blu-Ray may be selling better, and the discs themselves have higher storage, but behind the scenes it beyond insane.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/format-war/the-state-of-blu%20ray-320077.php

Also, Blu-Ray movies can never surpass 25GB, the first Blu-Ray players only support 25GB, so they can't make any discs that those players can't read.

The only "side" that is winning at this point are retailers.

TGO
November 15th, 2007, 08:24 PM
Yeah... Blu-Ray may be selling better, and the discs themselves have higher storage, but behind the scenes it beyond insane.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/format-war/the-state-of-blu%20ray-320077.php

Also, Blu-Ray movies can never surpass 25GB, the first Blu-Ray players only support 25GB, so they can't make any discs that those players can't read.

The only "side" that is winning at this point are retailers.

ummmmm............thats not true, Click (Adam Sandler) which was released back in March was the first 50GB Blu-ray disc, and nearly all releases have been 50GB since & they work on the older BD players
Blu-ray can be multi-layered too, just type in "TDK 100gb Blu-ray Disc" in google if ya don't believe me

Plus some places in the UK have actually stopped selling HD-DVD and made their Blu-ray display bigger........ouch
but it's understandable, Blu-ray has most of the biggest blockbusters exclusive to it because the makers of those films are the Blu-ray board members, ie Sony, Disney, Fox