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diskiller
July 18th, 2004, 04:55 AM
About the computerised DHD's (ie, the one in Atlantis and on the Puddle Jumper(tm))... did anyone else get the feeling that there were not nearly enough buttons for each possible gate symbol? I mean, it looks like there's 10 to 20 buttons, not 38? The ordinary DHD's clearly appear to have ALOT of buttons for all the symbols, those computerised ones were just lacking them.

They didn't appear to be using any sort of "shift" to access an additional ~19 or so symbols atop of the small number of buttons they have.

I did notice that (McKay i think) had to press several buttons to turn off the "iris" shield at the Atlantis gate however. Wonder why. Like a code or password? How did they work that out?

I really like the cool looking blue lit DHD's out on planet tho. Niiice. Wish we had some of those in the Milkyway :)

aAnubiSs
July 18th, 2004, 04:57 AM
I guess I could count them

diskiller
July 18th, 2004, 05:18 AM
I guess I could count them

Yeah, try counting them... i tried in one scene and couldn't count many, but it was a bad angle and later it was shown again at a better angle and you could see more but it still didn't look like the right number... still, i wasn't quick enough to pause and count them then. Stupid divx, you can't easily go back ;)

Xenan
July 18th, 2004, 05:20 AM
Maybe you need to combine buttons like we need to do on our keyboard (use Shift and ALT)

SaberBlade
July 18th, 2004, 06:05 AM
i increased the image size and from this image

http://img12.exs.cx/img12/7087/37buttons.jpg

i was able to make out 37 buttons with McKays hand possibly blocking the last

and with this i made out about 28 but the upper part of the console was cut off.

http://img12.exs.cx/img12/5139/28buttons.jpg

it looks like all 38 symbols were added but were not clearly seen.

diskiller
July 18th, 2004, 06:12 AM
Wow, good work my friend!

Thanks for the screen caps :)

ImportRacer
July 18th, 2004, 06:14 AM
the bigger problem is that every gate has a unique symbol... the point of origin... so the dhd on the puddle jumper must dial the 7th symbol automaticly...

anywayz there are definately 38 symbols on the atlantis dhd (i counted :) )
as for the puddle jumpers dhd im guessing it has 37 symbols (or 38 if the 38th is a default point of origin symbol...) it looked like there were less cause on the puddle jumper there are 2 panels of symbols... only 1 of which u can really see... but if you watch when they are dialing... you can see there as a flat panel as well as 1 that is angled like a dashboard...

VirtualCLD
July 18th, 2004, 07:01 AM
The "regular" DHD on the planet, the one with the Big Blue Bulb or Button had six symbols light up when the Wraith darts went back through the gate. I don't want to start up another discussion on this, but it looks like the BBB represents the seventh symbol. I wonder if TPTB will stick with this symantic.

Mio
July 18th, 2004, 08:56 AM
The PoO symbol is just a generic button with a little orange thingy on it. But it doesn't match the symbol on the Atlantis gate, which i posted in another post.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 04:18 AM
http://www.new-atlantis.net/screencaps/episode/1.01/hq.screencap.episode.1.01.270.jpg

I count seven symbols lighted up.... :rolleyes:

Mio
July 21st, 2004, 04:21 AM
http://www.new-atlantis.net/screencaps/episode/1.01/hq.screencap.episode.1.01.270.jpg

I count seven symbols lighted up.... :rolleyes: Upper right should be PoO (solitudes?)




Question. Who said that Atlantis gates had to have 39 symbols? :) Maybe they only needed 38.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 04:44 AM
I counted 37 triangles on the Atlantis DHD... but there is a triangle that has similar function to the blue bulb on the off-world DHD's and it's not the PoO... so actually there are only 36 symbols.
This is getting confusing...
How many slots are there in the Atlantis stargate?
How many symbols are there on Atlantis off-world DHD's?
How many symbols on the PJ's DHD and is there a blue bulb/activate type button?
http://homepage.mac.com/selmak/pics/DHD.jpg

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 05:07 AM
This makes no sense... the off-world DHD's have different symbols then the Atlantis DHD even though they are connected to the same type of gate.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 05:44 AM
Here is a link to a video of the Atlantis Dialing Sequence (http://homepage.mac.com/selmak/dial.mpeg)

You can clearly see that 7 symbols are dialed plus the middle activation button.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 05:49 AM
Who said the contrary? Of course the center triangle in the Atlantis DHD is bigger that the others with the glyphs. Obviously it's the equivalent of the red/blue button on the dhds.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 05:53 AM
They said that there were 37 symbols but since the activation button is a triangle as well it is confusing... so there are 36 symbols plus the activation button on the Atlantis DHD.
I was just clarifying and posting a cool video.

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 06:04 AM
How many slots are there in the Atlantis stargate?

I tracked down a post I saw somewhere else, it took a while to find. Here's the link:
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=1928&page=2&pp=20

Here's the quote:

There are 36 places on the atlantis gate for symbols. A few of them an buried. If you draw lines straight through a symbol through the center, and connect it with the other side you will have 36 divisions. I tried in in paint shop pro. The old gate has 39. The new gate should still "spin" but only with lights. From the latest commercial you can see that each symbol will change position around the gate. ie. the ">." symbol will be in position 1 then will move to 2, then 3 etc. so we should still see all the symbols, except the three that should be missing.



How many symbols are there on Atlantis off-world DHD's?

I believe it's the same as the off-world DHDs in SG-1.



How many symbols on the PJ's DHD and is there a blue bulb/activate type button?
Don't Know.

Mio
July 21st, 2004, 06:08 AM
Problem. The ancients didn't need to make 39 slots for symbols on the Version 2.0 gate. They could have only had 9 if they really wanted. they wouldn't have made 39 because it wouldn't have been pleasant looking if they had to shift the chevrons a few degrees because they didn't line up perfectly.39 isn't divisible by 9 :)

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 06:12 AM
OK... so the Atlantis Gate and DHD have 36 symbols.
If the off-world gate has 36 place slots... it wouldn't make sense for the off-world DHD's to have the normal 39 symbols. From the picture above I counted 19 in the first circle... but it's dark... If there are 19 in the second circle like the normal DHD's we have a problem.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 06:29 AM
I counted 38 symbols on the dhds.... :S

http://www.new-atlantis.net/screencaps/episode/1.01/hq.screencap.episode.1.01.269.jpg

So we really have a problem!

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 06:39 AM
Problem. The ancients didn't need to make 39 slots for symbols on the Version 2.0 gate. They could have only had 9 if they really wanted. they wouldn't have made 39 because it wouldn't have been pleasant looking if they had to shift the chevrons a few degrees because they didn't line up perfectly.39 isn't divisible by 9 :)
If there are only 36 symbols on the Atlantis DHD and 36 slots on the Atlantis Stargate it makes sense that there are only 36 symbols in the Pegasus Stargate Network. Maybe it is because Pegasus in a dwarf (smaller then the Milky Way) so less symbols are needed to reach all of the gates in the network.

gate traveler
July 21st, 2004, 06:45 AM
But if there are a different number of symbols in different galaxies, that would make dialing to other galaxies difficult.

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 06:47 AM
But if there are a different number of symbols in different galaxies, that would make dialing to other galaxies difficult.
Explain. We don't really mo how galaxy dialing works. It's possible you can only dial one gate in another galaxy, like a hub gate. Maybe there are several hub gates in a galaxy, but maybe you can't dial every gate there is in another galaxy. The whole galaxy dialing is still hazy. The symbols from one galaxy, don't have to match the symbols in another galaxy.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 06:48 AM
But there are 38 symbols on the regular dhds...

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 06:50 AM
But there are 38 symbols on the regular dhds...

What do you mean regular DHDs? Milky Way off-world DHDs or Atlantis off-world DHDs?

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 06:51 AM
I'm just saying look at the facts...
Atlantis DHD - 36 symbols plus activation button
Atlantis Stargate - 36 slots
Off-World Atlantis DHD - 38 symbols plus activation button (with different symbols then the Atlantis DHD)
Off-World Atlantis Stargate - 36 slots (assumed) (with the same symbols as Atlantis Stargate) **can someone confirm with a screenshot**
It is kinda confusing.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 06:55 AM
BTW
Milky Way DHD's also have 38 symbols plus activation button
Milky Way Stargates have 39 symbols

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 06:55 AM
Can we confirm 38 on the Atlantis off-world DHDs. I can't make a clear count of them, but I also only get 36 for the off-world DHD. I must point out, becasue I can't get a clear screenshot, I can't be certain.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 06:57 AM
there's a pic of one posted in this thread... it's confirmed Osiris and I both counted 38

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 07:00 AM
That would make the most sense. Why build a brand new prop, when you could just recycle old ones?

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 07:00 AM
Can we confirm 38 on the Atlantis off-world DHDs. I can't make a clear count of them, but I also only get 36 for the off-world DHD. I must point out, becasue I can't get a clear screenshot, I can't be certain.
The last post of the first page in this thread has a very clear pic of an off-world Atlantis DHD it has 38 symbols... which don't match to ones on Atlantis' DHD.

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 07:05 AM
Yeah, I was using that photo. The symbols weren't all that clear to me, neither were the divisions between symbols, this is why I counted 36 instead of 38.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 07:07 AM
So here I go again:

http://www.new-atlantis.net/screencaps/episode/1.01/hq.screencap.episode.1.01.211.jpg
http://www.new-atlantis.net/screencaps/episode/1.01/hq.screencap.episode.1.01.269.jpg
http://www.new-atlantis.net/screencaps/episode/1.01/hq.screencap.episode.1.01.272.jpg

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 07:10 AM
Now that's a screenshot!!! Very clear, great job Osiris. Where did you get such a high-res shot. My shots look a little fuzzy because the TV signal wasn't as clear as it could be that night.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 07:10 AM
That's really easy to count all 38 symbols on the dhd.
However, the gate seem to have 36 symbols.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 07:12 AM
Now that's a screenshot!!! Very clear, great job Osiris. Where did you get such a high-res shot. My shots look a little fuzzy because the TV signal wasn't as clear as it could be that night.

I got them from a great new site: http://www.new-atlantis.net/

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 07:12 AM
Oh, they're not quite yours, they're HQ shots from a seperate website. Gotcha.

EDIT: You beat me to it.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 07:18 AM
OK here is a comparison...

Milky Way Gate - 38 symbols plus PoO
http://homepage.mac.com/selmak/pics/SG1gate.jpg
Milky Way DHD - 38 symbols plus activation button
http://homepage.mac.com/selmak/pics/SG1dhd.jpg

Atlantis' DHD - 36 symbols plus activation button
http://homepage.mac.com/selmak/pics/DHD.jpg
Atlantis' Gate - 36 Slots
http://homepage.mac.com/selmak/pics/atlantisgate.jpg

Off-World Atlantis DHD - 38 symbols plus activation button (different symbols then Atlantis DHD)
http://homepage.mac.com/selmak/pics/offworldDHD.jpg
Off-World Atlantis Gate - **# of slots unknown** (different symbols then Atlantis gate?)
http://homepage.mac.com/selmak/pics/offworldgate.jpg

If there are 38/39 slots on the Off-World Atlantis Gate it would seem fine.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 07:26 AM
We have to wait for upcoming episodes! ;)

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 07:30 AM
The symbols on the Atlantis Off-World DHD and Gate seem to be different then Atlantis' DHD and Gate symbols.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 07:30 AM
Off-World Atlantis Gate - **# of slots unknown** (different symbols then Atlantis gate?)
http://homepage.mac.com/selmak/pics/offworldgate.jpg

If there are 38/39 slots on the Off-World Atlantis Gate it would seem fine.

I count 3 symbols between each chevrons on this pic. There are 9 chevrons: so 3x9= 27.
Then you add the symbols under each chevron: 9.
27+9=36 symbols.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 07:36 AM
That DHD just doesn't add up... hopefully they will fix it in an upcoming episode.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 07:37 AM
Am I crazy or are the symbols on the Atlantis DHD and Gate different from the Off-World ones... they don't looked doted.

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 07:38 AM
I doubt it, I think they'll just leave it and hope not too many people notice. Your average viewer (I said viewer, not fan) probably wouldn't take the time to count up the symbols on the stargate and the DHDs. They would just assume it works out.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 07:40 AM
I think we have to wait. We've only seen the pilot! I guess we will learn more about the Pegasus Stargate Network in future episodes. We just have to be patient... ;)

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 07:41 AM
As the saying goes "God give me patience..... NOW!!!!"

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 07:42 AM
It's only 2 more days till a new episode of Atlantis and SG-1!!!

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 07:44 AM
I doubt it, I think they'll just leave it and hope not too many people notice. Your average viewer (I said viewer, not fan) probably wouldn't take the time to count up the symbols on the stargate and the DHDs. They would just assume it works out.

I hope they will explain it... stargate fans are smart!

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 07:45 AM
As the saying goes "God give me patience..... NOW!!!!"

LMAO! Can I help you? I'm the great god Osiris afterall... :D

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 07:48 AM
LMAO! Can I help you? I'm the great god Osiris afterall... :D
Sure, you can start by changing the DHD to make sense.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 07:51 AM
I hope they will explain it... stargate fans are smart!
I don't think they ever fully explained the original gate and DHD. If you look there are 39 symbols on a normal(Milky Way) gate but there are 38 symbols on a normal(Milky Way) DHD. The middle button doesn't serve as the PoO because it is part of the 38... so that means the DHD is missing a gate symbol.

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 07:56 AM
From what I've seen, this has always been a problem that was discussed frequently among fans. If they never really worked it out with SG-1, I doubt they'd work it out here. It would have been nice to correct the issue since it's a new show, but to save money, I'm sureit was much easier to use the "old" SG-1 off-world DHDs than to design and build a new one (or multiple ones) for Atlantis. Just stick a blue bulb in the middle and change the way the symbols light up (is that post production?) and viola! a "new" DHD.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:01 AM
They made it worse... now instead of the DHD not having one symbol... it has 2 to many.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:03 AM
While they were making the new gates they could have taken that into consideration... if they made the gates with 38 symbol slots they could use the "modified" old DHD's and it would be fine.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 08:05 AM
LMAO that sucks. They forgot the "Aquila" symbol on the milkyway dhds because it was easier to make two similar circles (19+19) for the art department...
And now they add two extra symbols on the pegasus dhds? WTF?!
OMG, maybe they should employ some fans as consultants on the show...

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:08 AM
38 on a DHD so make a gate with 38... how hard is that? We figured it out.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 08:13 AM
I hope they are reading this thread! lol

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:18 AM
I guess since they already made the gate it would be easier just to make a new DHD with 2 rings of 18... it's that easy FIXED! Then all of the Atlantis Gates and DHDs will be on a 36 symbol system.

PYRO
July 21st, 2004, 08:19 AM
I havent read the whole thread so forgive me if this has already been said....


Why dont you just look at the Computer Diagram?


http://homepage.mac.com/selmak/pics/DHD.jpg

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:21 AM
You'd think it would be easier for the Ancients/Producers to make the middle button the PoO so that there aren't continuity errors.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:28 AM
I havent read the whole thread so forgive me if this has already been said....


Why dont you just look at the Computer Diagram?


http://homepage.mac.com/selmak/pics/DHD.jpg
You should have read they whole thing because it is interesting. We figured out that there is an error with both systems.

Milky Way DHD's have 38 symbols plus an activation button.
Milky Way Gate's have 38 symbol plus the PoO.
**The Milky Way DHD's are missing 1 gate symbol**

Atlantis' Dialing Computer has 36 symbols plus an activation button.
Atlantis' Gate has 36 symbol slots.
**This set up is fine**

Atlantis Off-World DHD's have 38 symbols plus an activation button.
Atlantis Off-World Gates have 36 symbol slots.
**The Atlantis Off-World DHD's have 2 extra symbols**

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 08:32 AM
I don't think so... they have always dialed 7 symbols on the dhd + the red/blue Button on both shows.
They have to add a symbol on the milkyway dhds and delete two on the pegasus ones. But maybe is to expensive... LMAO

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:34 AM
Yeah... that's what I said... red/blue Button = Activation Button

I was just saying it would be easier to make the red/blue Button the PoO.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 08:38 AM
Milky Way Gate's have 38 symbol plus the PoO.
**The Milky Way DHD's are missing 1 gate symbol**


Milky Way Gates have 39 symbols. All the gates have the sames symbols but in different order, even the Earth PoO. Not 38 + PoO... but I'm just *****ing. :p

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 08:39 AM
Milky Way Gates have 39 symbols. All the gates have the sames symbols but in different order, even the Earth PoO. Not 38 + PoO... but I'm just *****ing. :p
Didn't the Antarctic gate have a different PoO symbol, not the Earth symbol?

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:41 AM
38 symbols + 1 PoO symbol = 39 symbols

What are you talking about? All the gates have the same 38 symbols plus a unique PoO.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 08:41 AM
Didn't the Antarctic gate have a different PoO symbol, not the Earth symbol?

Nope. Only the dhd. I guess it's easier to the production to make extra glyphs on dhds than on gates... :rolleyes:

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:43 AM
Yes it did OSIRIS... That time they didn't skimp... The PoO was different on the Antarctic Gate.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:44 AM
I think on both the DHD and the Gate.

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 08:44 AM
38 symbols + 1 PoO symbol = 39 symbols

What are you talking about? All the gates have the same 38 symbols plus a unique PoO.
Spoilers for Solitudes?





No, that's not true... It's supposed to be true (I think), but as has been discussed in many other threads, they all have the same symbols unless a specific episode revolvs around the PoO, such as Solitudes, where the PoO is different. The reason this occurs is becasue they only have the one or two stargate props and they just leave the symbols alone.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:45 AM
38 symbols + 1 PoO symbol = 39 symbols

What are you talking about? All the gates have the same 38 symbols plus a unique PoO.
It may not be shown every time because of the budget but that is the theory.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:46 AM
ok... so we agree then... it's screwed up

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 08:50 AM
38 symbols + 1 PoO symbol = 39 symbols

What are you talking about? All the gates have the same 38 symbols plus a unique PoO.

All the gates have the same 39 symbols, but in a different order on the inner circle.
The PoO is always one of the 39 regular symbols except for Antarctica (only on the dhd), Abydos (but the symbol didn't appear on the dhd, on the gate neither)and The Gamekeeper Planet (only on the dhd).

In theory all the gates have their unique symbol... but in the show always the same 39 regular symbols figured on the gates. It's a matter of props budget.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:52 AM
I was talking about the theory not the actual gate props.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 08:53 AM
So we agree. But from the theory to the production, huges mistakes were made...

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:56 AM
Huge whopping mistakes!

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 09:02 AM
We still don't know about the Puddle Jumper's DHD... I would assume it would be the same as the the Atlantis DHD... 36 symbols with an activation button... but who knows?

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 09:13 AM
http://www.new-atlantis.net/screencaps/episode/1.01/hq.screencap.episode.1.01.364.jpg
http://www.new-atlantis.net/screencaps/episode/1.01/hq.screencap.episode.1.01.387.jpg
http://www.new-atlantis.net/screencaps/episode/1.01/hq.screencap.episode.1.01.489.jpg

21 on the lower panel, 16 on the upper. It makes 37. :S + the enter button.
I've got a headache... :S

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 09:17 AM
interesting... no activation button?

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 09:18 AM
interesting... no activation button?
Didn't Osiris just say there wasan activation button in addition to the 37 buttons?

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 09:20 AM
I think she(he) edited as I posted... I saw something different

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 09:25 AM
BTW Osiris, do you know were the enter button is on the PJ's DHD?

aAnubiSs
July 21st, 2004, 09:30 AM
It seemed like Ford punched something to the lower right after dialing. But I could be wrong, memory isn't what it used to be :)

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 09:30 AM
Under the left hand of Lt. Ford ;)

And I hadn't edited my post?!

And it's HE.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 09:31 AM
aAnubiSs is right.

You could see it also on the first pic I post: a blue button.

aAnubiSs
July 21st, 2004, 09:32 AM
I love it!

Seems like my memory isn't failing me.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 09:34 AM
OK... class here is a summery of what we have learned... lol :)

In both series a DHD is dialed with 7 symbols then the activation button.

Milky Way DHD's have 38 symbols plus an activation button. (2 rings of 19 symbols plus a large red bulb in the middle) (39 Buttons Total)
Milky Way Gate's have 38 symbols plus the PoO. (39 Symbols Total)
**The Milky Way DHD's are missing 1 gate symbol**

The Atlantis Dialing Computer has 36 symbols plus an activation button. (37 Buttons Total)
The Puddle Jumper's DHD has 36 symbols plus an activation button. (15 buttons on the upper panel and 21 buttons on the lower panel) (37 Buttons Total)
The Atlantis Gate has 36 symbol slots. (36 Symbols Total)
**This set up is fine**

Atlantis Off-World DHD's have 38 symbols plus an activation button. (2 rings of 19 symbols plus a large blue bulb in the middle) (39 Buttons Total)
Atlantis Off-World Gates have 36 symbol slots. (36 Symbols Total)
**The Atlantis Off-World DHD's have 2 extra symbols**

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 09:37 AM
OK... class here is a summery of what we have learned... lol :)

Milky Way DHD's have 38 symbols plus an activation button. (2 rings of 19 symbols plus a large red bulb in the middle)
Milky Way Gate's have 38 symbol plus the PoO. (39 total)
**The Milky Way DHD's are missing 1 gate symbol**

The Atlantis Dialing Computer has 36 symbols plus an activation button.
The Puddle Jumpers DHD has 36 symbols plus an activation button. (16 on the upper panel, 21 on the lower panel)
The Atlantis Gate has 36 symbol slots.
**This set up is fine**

Atlantis Off-World DHD's have 38 symbols plus an activation button. (2 rings of 19 symbols plus a large blue bulb in the middle)
Atlantis Off-World Gates have 36 symbol slots.
**The Atlantis Off-World DHD's have 2 extra symbols**
:: Cries :: Why oh WHY don't the numbers work out? Why must the set designers confuse us so?

EDIT: I've never designed a set or prop with such blatent mistakes.... except I only did it twice.... and it wasn't nearly as complicated.... OK, maybe it is hard to get EVERY detail right.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 09:39 AM
You mean 37 for the PJ dhd. But I think the upper triangle, in the middle, (second pic) do not have a glyph on it. So the PJ has 36 symbols on his dhd: 15 on the upper panel (and not 16), 21 on the lower!
Oouch! My brain is overloading! lol

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 09:40 AM
So the two main problems are both milky way and pegasus offworld dhds.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 09:42 AM
Osiris... I don't think you understand my system... There are 36 symbols plus the activation button... so that is 37 all together.

Osiris
July 21st, 2004, 09:47 AM
Osiris... I don't think you understand my system... There are 36 symbols plus the activation button... so that is 37 all together.

Yep. But it was a mistake I made: I though there were 16 glyphs on the upper panel. The middle triangle on the top cannot be dialed:
http://www.new-atlantis.net/screencaps/episode/1.01/hq.screencap.episode.1.01.387.jpg

Upper Panel:
1st line: 5 triangles
2nd: 4
3rd: 4
4th: 2 and not 3

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 10:09 AM
OK... here it is... revised and hopefully correct :D

In both series a gate is dialed with a DHD using 7 symbols then the activation/deactivation button(red/blue bulb in the middle of the DHD).

Milky Way DHD's have 38 symbols plus an activation/deactivation button. (37 symbols are the same for every DHD plus a unique PoO)(2 rings of 19 symbols plus a large red bulb in the middle)
Milky Way Gate's have 38 symbols plus the PoO. (38 symbols are the same for every gate plus a unique PoO)
***The Milky Way DHD's are missing 1 gate symbol***

The Atlantis Dialing Computer has 36 symbols plus an activation/deactivation button. (36 triangles with symbols plus a triangle in the middle)
The Puddle Jumper's DHD has 36 symbols plus an activation/deactivation button. (15 triangles buttons on the upper panel, 21 triangles buttons on the lower panel plus a single button on the lowest part of the console)
The Atlantis Gate has 36 symbol slots.
***This set up is fine***

The Pegasus DHD's have 38 symbols plus a activation/deactivation button. (2 rings of 19 symbols plus a blue bulb in the middle)
The Pegasus Gates have 36 symbol slots.
*** The Pegasus DHD's have 2 extra symbols***

Joe
July 21st, 2004, 11:50 AM
Thay chould be saveing the extra ones for a up comeing Episode.

Mio
July 21st, 2004, 12:42 PM
Atlantis Off-World DHD's have 38 symbols plus an activation button.
Atlantis Off-World Gates have 36 symbol slots.
**The Atlantis Off-World DHD's have 2 extra symbols**
Does anyone listen to me?

They didn't need to make 39 symbol holders, and since there was no spinning ring, they COULDN'T have. They needed a number divisible by 9 so that one symbol was always perfectly under a chevron.

Since the glyphs are virtual, it doesn't matter. They could have made 18 slot holders and all would be well with 38 symbols.

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 12:46 PM
You're right, for all we know, there could have been 149,124,439 glyphs because they are "virtual." However, we don't know for sure, it is believed, but not proven, that each glyph/chevron/symbol has a "home" position on the ring and it always rotates from that position to the locking position it needs to be in when it is dialed. We don't know for certain if the gate can be manually dialed or not. If it can, then it would suggest that there are only 36 symbols on the gate. In any case, it appears TPTB (i.e. designers) have decided to go with 36 symbols only, but again, that doesn't mean it's true.

Mio
July 21st, 2004, 12:48 PM
You're right, for all we know, there could have been 149,124,439 glyphs because they are "virtual." However, we don't know for sure, it is believed, but not proven, that each glyph/chevron/symbol has a "home" position on the ring and it always rotates from that position to the locking position it needs to be in when it is dialed. We don't know for certain if the gate can be manually dialed or not. If it can, then it would suggest that there are only 36 symbols on the gate. In any case, it appears TPTB (i.e. designers) have decided to go with 36 symbols only, but again, that doesn't mean it's true.\

Because if they went with 39, they'd have to move the chevrons around, so it wouldn't be perfectly symmetrical if you sliced it into 9 pieces.

VirtualCLD
July 21st, 2004, 12:55 PM
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Because if they went with 39, they'd have to move the chevrons around, so it wouldn't be perfectly symmetrical if you sliced it into 9 pieces.
Bah! Symmetry, Schmymmetry. The designers could have been clever about it and designed something that would have worked with 39 or 38. That's what they're paid to do, design the difficult things.

Seriously, I know exactly what it's like to make compromises in design for a production. Sometimes things have to be changed to get them to work on-time and on-budget, even if they don't agree with the original ideas.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 07:52 PM
Does anyone listen to me?

They didn't need to make 39 symbol holders, and since there was no spinning ring, they COULDN'T have. They needed a number divisible by 9 so that one symbol was always perfectly under a chevron.

Since the glyphs are virtual, it doesn't matter. They could have made 18 slot holders and all would be well with 38 symbols.

It doesn't make sense that Atlantis would have 36 symbols on the DHD but off-world DHDs have 38 symbols... no matter what you say.

Metonic
July 21st, 2004, 08:37 PM
Maybe they made the Atlantis Gate and DHD before the rest so they didnt think they needed as many symbols but realised they needed too

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 08:42 PM
The Ancients are smarter then that... hopefully

Stargate Agent
July 21st, 2004, 10:59 PM
The "regular" DHD on the planet, the one with the Big Blue Bulb or Button had six symbols light up when the Wraith darts went back through the gate. I don't want to start up another discussion on this, but it looks like the BBB represents the seventh symbol. I wonder if TPTB will stick with this symantic.

Uh no way man it had seven i just counted it. I really doubt the production crew would mess this up.

Selmak
July 21st, 2004, 11:01 PM
You're right there is a pic of it in this thread

VirtualCLD
July 23rd, 2004, 06:23 AM
Uh no way man it had seven i just counted it. I really doubt the production crew would mess this up.


Yes, this was already pointed out to me earlier in the thread.


Now, I'm digging this thread up again because I saw this question arrise somewhere else. How many symbols does the stargate orbiting the Wraith plant have. Some people have said either 38 or 39, and I would like to find out for sure, one way or the other. Unfortunately, we've lost the links to the pictures that were here, but maybe someone could confirm the number of symbols on that gate. Basically, I would like to know if this lines up with the 38 symbol DHD.

Markey2
July 23rd, 2004, 06:29 AM
Yeh, someone else pointed it out that it looked in one picture as if there were only 36 symbols and when I coutned I indeed thought it looked like 36 as well, it may just have been the picture but it will be interesting to see what the answer is

VirtualCLD
July 23rd, 2004, 06:37 AM
Well, we thought we established in this thread that the Pegasus gates only have 36 symbols. I just brought this thread up again because some other people mentioned that there might have been more on the orbiting gate. Is this true?

Osiris
July 23rd, 2004, 02:01 PM
The Athos Gate has 36 symbols on it. It's very easy to tell as there're always 3 symbols between 2 chevrons + 1 under each chevron. 9x3 + 9 = 36. So I guess the orbiting gate has the same number of symbols as it's an off-world gate too. Maybe you need to read again my post, I've already explained that... ;)

Mio
July 23rd, 2004, 07:58 PM
here you go! 36 + the activating key.

Selmak
July 23rd, 2004, 07:59 PM
Thanks, it great!!!