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InsanityX
July 18th, 2004, 04:53 AM
Did anyone realise that there was no DHD on the gate floating in space
The Puddle Jumper could dial the gate but how does it feed it, its power
Also how does the Gate stay perfectly in orbit? Without moving?

Why didnt the shevrons look like normal shevrons. They look like alot of dots. Probebly the constilation without the obvious connect the dots?

Also another goof was the fact that everyone could use all the atlantis tech in the city. HOW IN HELL DID THEY READ ANCIENT.

And wouldnt you think the ancients would have one of those head sucking things around to teach someone something?
Seems kinda strange doesnt it

Also Jack created a device to goto the ancients planet using only naqueda from a staff weapon. Couldnt they use a naqueda genrator to goto Atlantis
Too many goofs here but still a mad episode

aaobuttons
July 18th, 2004, 05:00 AM
1. Did anyone realise that there was no DHD on the gate floating in space
The Puddle Jumper could dial the gate but how does it feed it, its power
2. Also how does the Gate stay perfectly in orbit? Without moving?

3. Why didnt the shevrons look like normal shevrons. They look like alot of dots. Probebly the constilation without the obvious connect the dots?

4. Also another goof was the fact that everyone could use all the atlantis tech in the city. HOW IN HELL DID THEY READ ANCIENT.

5. And wouldnt you think the ancients would have one of those head sucking things around to teach someone something?





1. Its Ancients technology its probably a remote like on a TV.
2. Ancients Tech. Probably a magnetic stabilizer or pocket thrusters.
3. Ancients developed these, Gou'ld developed what we saw on SG1
4. They could not. It was well established that they couldn't get most things to work. They had been working at the Antarctic Substation for 6 months or so learning the language and how to run things there so they had some basis to work with.
5. They probably do, just not found yet.
6.

InsanityX
July 18th, 2004, 05:06 AM
Gou'ld did not create the gate system, it is well stated within SG1, aslo the OLD ANTARTIC gate has the old style gate

As for the remote thing, i considered that, but they were travlin in space 100's miles from the gate at time. Pretty powerful remote.

Xenan
July 18th, 2004, 05:13 AM
5. Why would they have one of those around?
It's their city, there are only ancients. So there is no need for those Repositories Of Knowledge

InsanityX
July 18th, 2004, 05:16 AM
So i guess there children have there intelegence etc etc built into there genes like the Gould?

I was under the assumption that the machine exhisted for this purpace.

Also why have the machine lying around on other planets just sitting there?

Xenan
July 18th, 2004, 05:18 AM
It was my understanding that once you use it, it can't be used again.

As for it's purpose, it was intended for other races to use IMO

InsanityX
July 18th, 2004, 05:23 AM
They can probebly be used multiple times. The first one they found ran out of energy. The second one they blew up.

And if they could only be used once why make it at all. It makes no sence to have it around for it only to be used once.

There are a couple billion people one earth.
Ancients populated an entire galaxy, i assume upto the trillions.

So why have a device only to be used once?

Xenan
July 18th, 2004, 05:28 AM
Cos as O'neill demonstrated it only takes one to put it to good use :D

No idea, why really, but since it's not safe I think the one time only rule is pretty good :D

diskiller
July 18th, 2004, 05:33 AM
1. Did anyone realise that there was no DHD on the gate floating in space. The Puddle Jumper could dial the gate but how does it feed it, its power

2. Also how does the Gate stay perfectly in orbit? Without moving?

3. Why didnt the shevrons look like normal shevrons. They look like alot of dots. Probebly the constilation without the obvious connect the dots?

4. Also another goof was the fact that everyone could use all the atlantis tech in the city. HOW IN HELL DID THEY READ ANCIENT.

5. And wouldnt you think the ancients would have one of those head sucking things around to teach someone something?
Seems kinda strange doesnt it.

6. Also Jack created a device to goto the ancients planet using only naqueda from a staff weapon. Couldnt they use a naqueda genrator to goto Atlantis
Too many goofs here but still a mad episode

I've posted some of these in my own thread and just seen this.

1. I have NO idea how the gate is fed its power. No idea at all. Usually the DHD does it (somehow, magically, without any sort of physical connection mind you.)

2. Yeah, the gate was floating perfectly in space. If you watch closely, there's 3 little red thingies attached to it (you can see it in every shot) yet the moment they go through at the end and show them come out the atlantis gate, the atlantis gate does not have them. I figure they are some kind of propulsion system that keeps the gate perfectly in orbit and oriented so it doesn't just rotate/spin and float about, or deorbit etc... that could also be how the gate is powered, but who knows...

Nothing is explained at all in this episode. At least in SG-1 things get explained, stuff just tends to "happen" in Atlantis with no explanation, it bugs me. I suppose it might be coming in further episodes, but still...

3. They aren't chevrons, they are gate address symbols. (The chevrons are the things that lock over the symbol, there are 9 of those, only 7 are generally used, occasionally 8). They are different, because the ones in our galaxy (the milkyway) are star constellations for our galaxy. The star constellations in Pegasus are different. Why they are dots, and why they are light, I have no idea. I don't think they look very good at all.

4. No idea. I think its a big flaw. McKay did, however, mention that some of this stuff uses "old style push buttons" and that is most likely why they can use the tech. But still, i think its a bit too far fetched IMO. Daniel should be there translating ancient text (WHERE IS THE ANCIENT TEXT ???) and figuring it all out. It's all wrong.

5. Yeah, there should be a knowledge repository! or two! The recording said they left the city and sent it to go under water incase their kind ever returns. In thousands or millions of years time, their descendants are unlikely to know or have the same knowledge or know everything, so an ancient knowledge repository SHOULD be there. Its there to pass on knowledge to their own kind (assumingly). Why else would they ever have been any of them laying about for SG-1 to find in the first place?

6. Again, no idea. That piddly liquid naquedah generator let them go really really really far to the Ida galaxy to meet the Asguard, yet, they needed a ZPM to go around the corner to the nearby Pegasus galaxy. Go figure. Makes no sense again. I think the writers intended on Pegasus being alot further away than Ida, but they messed it up pretty badly. Read my other thread on it.

It may sound like I'm really bashing Atlantis here, and I sort of am, but that doesn't mean i didn't like the episode. I really liked it! In fact i've watched it three times now, and I love it! I guess all these things might get explained later... we might just have to be patient.

D.

Calicto
July 18th, 2004, 05:34 AM
Also Jack created a device to goto the ancients planet using only naqueda from a staff weapon. Couldnt they use a naqueda genrator to goto Atlantis
Too many goofs here but still a mad episode

1. The Puddle Jumper has its own energy supply to power it's DHD..etc.

2. The Gate probably does move periodically like a satellite (moon) around a planet. Either that or it has a built in magnetic field to stay in place.

3. The Ancients have a much better gate than the original one. This galaxy also has the same game. It allows faster dialing. It's just different. The thing dialed up in 1 minute and less while the normal Earth gate takes 5 minutes.

4. Dont be a n00b. Just because its ancient technology doesnt mean that the Ancient's are gonna leave them a manual in Ancient. Some things are just easy to figure out like the DHD. Sheppard figured out the PuddleJumper because he had the gene. Just dont be a n00b. Most things WONT be written in Ancient. They'll have a hologram.

5. No. They wouldnt. Seriously, if someone got their head downloaded with Ancient knowledge, then
---1. It ruins the fun of trying to figure out tech.
---2. They would die. They cannot contact the Asgard and I doubt Atlantis has something to remove the knowledge.

6. No. The Naquadah Powerup Unit was extremely advanced. They didnt even know what it was until he patched it up and it exploded. Obviously, they're not gonna know how to make one.

7. Dont be a n00b. As TEAL'C says "There are no plotholes". Remember, CALICTO says "There are no goofs, only production goofs"

8. Over-Analysis can be good, but then listen and then shuttup when proved incorrect and you do not have a point.

9. Chevron

aAnubiSs
July 18th, 2004, 05:36 AM
Also Jack created a device to goto the ancients planet using only naqueda from a staff weapon. Couldnt they use a naqueda genrator to goto Atlantis

It was an Asgard planet.

Xenan
July 18th, 2004, 05:38 AM
6. No. The Naquadah Powerup Unit was extremely advanced. They didnt even know what it was until he patched it up and it exploded. Obviously, they're not gonna know how to make one.


Yet it only took two Carters to make one that works :p :D

chiefchucky
July 18th, 2004, 07:07 AM
I've posted some of these in my own thread and just seen this.

1. I have NO idea how the gate is fed its power. No idea at all. Usually the DHD does it (somehow, magically, without any sort of physical connection mind you.)



Well if you look at the wraith gate there is a round yet rectangular device attached to it I assumed that that was the power source as well as the remote reciever.

CelticPhantom
July 18th, 2004, 07:15 AM
And wouldnt you think the ancients would have one of those head sucking things around to teach someone something?
Seems kinda strange doesnt it

I think they never really expected to leave the city so they probebly expected to teach visitors themselves, and when they finally did leave they were probably preoccupied with not dieing.

Hyperspace
July 19th, 2004, 01:11 AM
I have another question: How much time elapsed between "New Order" and "Rising"?

Also: How does Major Sheppard get assigned to SGC service so quickly, without evening knowing about the Stargate program? How does he get security clearance so flippantly from Gen. O'Neill if O'Neill didn't necessarily suggest him to go on the Atlantis mission? And what was the actual reason Daniel wasn't allowed to go?

InsanityX
July 19th, 2004, 03:40 AM
Let me clarify a few points

Firstly. The Naqueda Genetator that Oneill made was to travel to the planet Othela in the galaxy of Ida. Why cant they make anotherone? They stated in the series that Pegasus was a galaxy in the local group. And if im not mistaken Ida is slight if not more further.

Secondly How good is you memory? Do you think the Ancients went to school to learn everything? I think not. I think the purpose in the machine was to educate there young and or when they became adults. If you remember the circle ring on the floor of the planet they found the first repository of the ancients said something along the lines of " The place of out leagacy " or it could have been a piece of our leg but the first one makes more sence of so Danil Jackson says

Also even tho they dont know how to use any of the ancient tech. I was amazed they found the shield on the gate so quick without a Ancient to English dictionary. If they had found a universal translator i would understand. Another puzzling thing is when you think or shell i say when i think, i think in english. How does the puddle jumpe understand english? and or any other language you think in.
I am getting a little technical so stop me if i get to far from the topic

As for the Symbols on the gate. all they look like is dots but i guess if you connect them they will look like constilations.

What really amazes me now is that the asgard seem not to have known the ancients at all, but know of them and or had seen some of them.
But the ancients, asgard, ferlings & the noks were part of an aliance. Or so it says on Ernest Littlefelds planet.
Also something related to this is that in the episode the 5th race, the asgard say we take a step forward to becoming the 5th race, but in realism we are the first race and or the 2nd evolution form of the first race. etc etc yadda yadda

I kinda rant on a little. As for the other things, they are well explained in other threads and in this one.

aAnubiSs
July 19th, 2004, 04:01 AM
So a universal translator should also translate written stuff? That would suck IMO. DJ said Atlantis was further then they had ever imagined. And since they've been to Ida and other weird places I think they can imagine stuff quite well.

As for finding the GateShield quickly.. I don't think it was quick. Their first priority was probably to secure the gate. While they were looking at the DHD they found a button that wasn't a glyph.

And how they teach their young... I don't think the Headsucker would work with small children.

VirtualCLD
July 19th, 2004, 04:34 AM
Spoiler Alert





First off, O'Neill did not create a naquada generator, he created a primative, jury-rigged ("McGyverred" if you prefer) ZPM using our tech. That unit was still more advanced than our knowledge and we can't buuld another one because we do't know how. The only thing two Carters did was figure out how to recharge it, not re-build it. No one has a clue as to how to rebuild it. Therefore, a simple naquada generator is not going to work, we need ZPMs.

Of course everyone on the team needs to understand a little bit of Ancient. They may not be able to fully translate it but they should get some basic understanding of it, having been studying Ancient for at least half a year. Now, taking a step out of the Stargate Universe, you will find that all of the Ancient text is just coded English (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=2024). It was discoverred in one of the shots of the big blue Ancient Monitor behind McKay, among some giberrish, was the repeating line "Oh Where Oh Where Has My Little Dog Gone..." Since it's only coded English, it should be pretty easy to translate. :D There were rumors that there were Universal Translators built into Atlantis Ancient tech, but that hasn't been shown or proven one way or the other yet.

As was stated earlier, there were three stabilizers attached to the stargate in orbit. The normal DHD has no physical connection to the gate and still provides power, therefore, the puddlejump can provide power also, from afar. Once a wormhole is established, the gate on one side can draw power from the gate on the other side.

The Ancients the Asgard met were the descendents of the Ancients who fled from Atlantis back to Earth. Now I don't remember what I was going to explain here, I thought someone brought this up somewhere but now I can't find it.

I always though the Ancient Depository was made as a sort of time-capsule last ditch effort to save everything they new before they died out. Now as I explained before, I believe the Ancients who left those libraries were the descendents of the Ancients who fled back to Earth from Atlantis (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=2212). Therefore, there wouldn't be any depsoitories in Atlantis, but I could be proven wrong. Atlantis is a freaking huge city and they have explored very little of it. They could spend several seasons on just Atlantis, but who wants to see that (well I do, but some "off world" action would be nice too)? Have patience and wait, maybe more will be explained.

Oh yeah, the chevron thing. From what I understand the word chevron means symbol or marking, so each of those LED symbols on the gate are chevrons used to make up a gate address. Now, yes it is obvious they are Superbright LEDs but I like them. The symbols on the old star gates were, supposedly, constellations, but with no points, just lines connecting the stars. Since it is possible to make your own shapes out of the stars, it would be more universal to have all of the chevrons represented by dots, like on the Atlantis stargate. I think the Atlantis stargate is much nicer, although it may be impossible to dial the gate manually.

VirtualCLD
July 19th, 2004, 04:35 AM
So a universal translator should also translate written stuff? That would suck IMO. DJ said Atlantis was further then they had ever imagined. And since they've been to Ida and other weird places I think they can imagine stuff quite well.

As for finding the GateShield quickly.. I don't think it was quick. Their first priority was probably to secure the gate. While they were looking at the DHD they found a button that wasn't a glyph.

And how they teach their young... I don't think the Headsucker would work with small children.
I thought Danniel said that because all of this time they were looking for Atlantis in our galaxy, at least IMHO. I could be wrong, but that's what I thought.

aAnubiSs
July 19th, 2004, 04:38 AM
It's all about how one interpets it. I really have no idea which of the two he meant. But both can be right.