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GateWorld
January 2nd, 2006, 09:42 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 210</FONT>
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When Mr. Eko discovers that Charlie is in possession of the Virgin Mary statue, he forces him to lead him to the site of the plane crash -- with which Eko himself has a past connection.

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NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 11th, 2006, 07:51 PM
It was a good episode, touching. I give it a ***.

cindyz
January 11th, 2006, 08:05 PM
This episode rocked! and I love Mr. Eko. he had a great story line.....and the thing in the jungle....cool. deep, dark, mysterious....EVIL i say. i'd give it ****.

FoolishPleasure
January 11th, 2006, 08:06 PM
Eko and the monster! :eek:

Charlie and the Virgin Mary(s).

Michael talks to Walt (on the puter). . .or is it really Walt?

Good episode!

Morbo
January 11th, 2006, 08:21 PM
here's some screenshots of some of the images that flashed inside the black cloud when the camera was panning through it:
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4815654&postcount=34

maybe its a soul seeker.

remember lock said he looked into the eye of the island, and what he saw was beautiful...he saw his own soul maybe.

keshou
January 11th, 2006, 08:31 PM
Now THAT was a very good episode.

Eko is the one new character I've found intriguing and his backstory didn't disappoint. Great stuff. I was all teary-eyed by the time he was reciting the 23rd Psalm while the plane burned. And again when he slipped the cross around his neck and said he was a priest.

Eko staring down the blackcloud monster - very eerie. Especially since it looked like they were staring "head" to head. Wonder if that's what Locke saw when he stared at it.

Still think Michael's a loose cannon who's going to kill them all in his quest to save Walt. Sawyer and Kate were kind of cute, I guess. In a "still not my favorite pairing, but I can tolerate them" sort of way.

And eep....Charlie has a stash. Is he using again, or just saving it as a safety net? Or testing himself? I only remember him stealing one statue when he came back from the plane that first time. Has he been sneaking back to steal more? If so, was he faking Eko out that he didn't know where the plane was? If he's using, that's disappointing. I have to admit I thought he was a little too "up", fishing and singing with Jin. :(

Vee
January 11th, 2006, 08:36 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. I'm relieved Claire finally found about Charlie and the statue. At least it's some progress in one storyline. I also thought it was nice to see the "tailies" getting some friendly attention.

I really enjoyed Eko's back story. Sometimes the flashbacks can be a bit on the boring side but I actually found Eko's to be compelling. I even got a bit teary eyed when he found the body of his brother.

Having said that, I'm starting to think everyone on the plane is a murderer. I like the show, I really do. But it's pretty implausible that five people or so on one plane are hiding murder in their past. Even if it is an international flight I find this highly dubious. Is Oceanic Air the preferred airline for killers?

jonno
January 11th, 2006, 08:36 PM
I only remember him stealing one statue when he came back from the plane that first time. Has he been sneaking back to steal more?

I haven't seen the ep, so i don't know how big the stash was, but, I was watching Exodus tonight, and there were about 5 or 6 bags in the statue smashed, so if the stash is that sort of size, he hasn't been back.

keshou
January 11th, 2006, 08:45 PM
I haven't seen the ep, so i don't know how big the stash was, but, I was watching Exodus tonight, and there were about 5 or 6 bags in the statue smashed, so if the stash is that sort of size, he hasn't been back.
He has multiple statues in his stash, not just the bags. Looked like about 10-15 Virgin Mary statues maybe. Hard to tell because he has them all piled on top of each other, hidden away in a brush-covered hole in the jungle.

Erised
January 11th, 2006, 08:49 PM
not the best episode ever, but I can live with it. Loved the smoke thing!

MarshAngel
January 12th, 2006, 05:14 AM
So am i the only one who noticed Eko transposed two words in the Psalm? I wonder if it means anything?

he said. "Yea though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death..."
As opposed to: "Yeah though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death..."

KatG
January 12th, 2006, 05:18 AM
So am i the only one who noticed Eko transposed two words in the Psalm? I wonder if it means anything?

he said. "Yea though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death..."
As opposed to: "Yeah though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death..."


Oh that's interesting. I didn't notice that but it could be significant.

Thermonuclearboy
January 12th, 2006, 05:50 AM
I question whether or not that's significant. That transposition is a typical mistake with that verse. Of course, Echo was never a "real" priest to begin with, so it's highly possible he just got it wrong because he hasn't heard the verse in a while.

One thing I don't understand about the smoke monster thingie. The first time Locke looked into it, he was not afraid and it didn't harm him. The second time, it attacked him. What happened in between? Was it Boone's death? Has the monster judged Locke guilty for his death and no longer worthy?

I really don't like the Charlie-heroin storyline. It pretty much negates the whole bit with Locke in the first season. All that rigamarole about the moth and the coccoon was for naught.

And is love blooming for Hurley, finally? Was that Libby he was helping with her tent, or something we haven't seen before?

FoolishPleasure
January 12th, 2006, 06:02 AM
I've never seen the actor who playes Eko before. He is excellent! His backstory was excellent as well, especially since some of the backstories tend to drag a bit.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 12th, 2006, 08:16 AM
Very good ep with lots of interesting points to it. Eko's past, obviously, which was not at all what I was expecting, given his apparent horror and remorse at killing those "others' in self-defence(The Other 48 Days). But it all makes sense, now.

Interesting how he faced down the black cloud "monster," not so much as flinching. I really expected the cloud to make a face at Eko, a la Abyss. :p

Locke had that whole "white/black" thing going last season, so I wonder....

Locke is white and Eko is black. Both are the spiritual leaders of their groups. Locke's form of spirituality is more philosophy oriented, whereas Eko's is religious.

Locke embraced the "monster," whereas Eko opposed it - that's how I interpreted the scene, at least. He stood his ground, didn't flinch, was not impressed even though the cloud seemed to be showing him things that should have worked on him.

Anything else?

If this is to be the case, then will Locke and Eko be the black/white = discord, evil vs good, or will the black/white complement each other, like ebony and ivory, or Yin/Yang?

Who, really, is talking to Michael on the computer? Where did "Walt' tell Mike to go? I, for one, don't believe it's Walt.

I'm glad that Charlie still has his weakness. It seemed believable to me that he would still crave the fix. He reminds me of how my dad would brag that he had quit smoking and that the pack of cigerettes he kept in his shirt pocket was a sort of badge of honor.... Of course, we often caught him smoking his badges.... :rolleyes:

It was nice to see the domesticity scenes again; Charlie in the doghouse because Claire has thrown his stuff out onto the driveway, Kate and Sawyer joking away, the Doctor making a hutcall, Sun and Jin being nice to the new neighbour, and Hurley! squeee helping Abby build her shelter. A nice ending, IMO.

And next week looks good; a Michael front story and a Jack backstory.

Arative
January 12th, 2006, 08:23 AM
I've never seen the actor who playes Eko before. He is excellent! His backstory was excellent as well, especially since some of the backstories tend to drag a bit.

He played Abadssi in OZ and he was pretty good in that too!

I liked this episode. Was pretty touching. I wonder what that smoke creature is, does it judge people innocent or guilty? and if it does, did it just say Eko is innocent of his past crimes?

I'm not sure I like Charlie going down the addict path again but since a high percentage of recovering addicts are likely to slip into drug user again, its not unbelievable that given a large supply of the drug that he would start using again. One thing I noticed is that Charlie refused to take responsibilty for his drug use, saying it was all his brothers fault, can't speak from experience but when a person is in recovery don't they make them admit that the substance abuse was there fault and not to blame someone else?

Next week's preview looks really good.

yaaayoubetcha
January 12th, 2006, 08:47 AM
I was waiting for confirmation that Eko was from Nigeria. Perhaps i'd missed it in a previous ep but the heroin plane was the only thing on the island not connected to anybody other than to provide temptation to Charlie.

Was a great backstory for Eko.

Brings more mystery to the location of the island though. The heroin plane took off from close to the west coast of the african continent. The jet took off from Sidney and somehow they're on the same island...interesting.

We've been led to believe they were in the south pacific somewhere...but could as easily be the indian ocean. Though I spose that could just be a geographical snafu on the part of TPTB.

MarshAngel
January 12th, 2006, 09:06 AM
I question whether or not that's significant. That transposition is a typical mistake with that verse. Of course, Echo was never a "real" priest to begin with, so it's highly possible he just got it wrong because he hasn't heard the verse in a while.

I question it too. At first hearing I said, it's probably a mistake but then I figured this is Lost it might be a subtelty for a small number of dog-eared people to notice... especially with that big shadowy thing going on. It's still possible that it's no more than a slip of the tongue.



One thing I don't understand about the smoke monster thingie. The first time Locke looked into it, he was not afraid and it didn't harm him. The second time, it attacked him. What happened in between? Was it Boone's death? Has the monster judged Locke guilty for his death and no longer worthy?

My current theory is that they're all contributing to the wierdness on the island. They're thoughts and feelings and fears are being manifest. So maybe it's that Locke feels guilty and deserving of being punnished.


I really don't like the Charlie-heroin storyline. It pretty much negates the whole bit with Locke in the first season. All that rigamarole about the moth and the coccoon was for naught.
This I disagree with. I never expected it to last. In fact, I'd say the only reason it did is because there was no supply. An addict has to really make a hardcore choice not to be an addict anymore. Hard cycle to break.

KatG
January 12th, 2006, 04:04 PM
I'm not sure I like Charlie going down the addict path again but since a high percentage of recovering addicts are likely to slip into drug user again, its not unbelievable that given a large supply of the drug that he would start using again. One thing I noticed is that Charlie refused to take responsibilty for his drug use, saying it was all his brothers fault, can't speak from experience but when a person is in recovery don't they make them admit that the substance abuse was there fault and not to blame someone else?


This is actually very typical addict behavior. Having dealt with it in my family, rarely does an addict quit the first time, if he ever really does. And it's pretty easy to quit when your supply runs out, you actually have no choice, but given access to a supply again, an addict can easily give in and let's face it heroin is one of the most addictive drugs there is.

And yes, in recovery, an addict has to take responsibility for his addiction. What happened to him in the past, his family life, etc doesn't matter, he still has to realize that he chose to take the drug regardless of the reason. And until he does, recovery will never be permanent.

Oblivion147
January 12th, 2006, 04:41 PM
What a fantastic episode, almost made the 6 week wait worthwhile.

I wasn't sure before but after seeing this episode the island monster has to be some sort of Nanoswarm, even the podcast alluded to it. I can't imagine it being anything else, and just how cool did it look? It definately acted like it was intelligent.

I'm going to have to re-read Michael Crichton's 'Prey'

cindyz
January 12th, 2006, 04:44 PM
I posted this in another thread...but it is valid for this discussion as well...

Default Re: The Thing In The Jungle
so far, I think it could be Anubis ...or something similar to the nanotech cloud (from PREY) described previously in a post. What ever it is, it seeks out certain people and scans them? and sees what the most terrible event in their lives was. I now have changed my mind that it is an evil entity. Curious, perhaps...
and maybe it can identify a persons strengths and weaknesses? and weed out the unsuitable...for what purpose, yet to be revealed.clearly, I think it is some artificial life form...an experiment gone awry....
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Osiris-RA
January 12th, 2006, 05:16 PM
A pretty good episode. as expected, Eko's backstory was immersing. I could have lived not seeing the black smoke though. Sometimes the viewer is more frightened by the things he doesn't see. That's how they got people to the theatres back in the 20ies and onward. Then, you didn't have SFX to lean on. You had good plot lines, didn't matter how bad the SFX were.

Moving on, I felt kinda sorry for Charlie. I just don't know what to make of that boy. He's stashing Mary Statues now? Geez, no self control at all.

yaaayoubetcha
January 12th, 2006, 06:52 PM
Moving on, I felt kinda sorry for Charlie. I just don't know what to make of that boy. He's stashing Mary Statues now? Geez, no self control at all.


He's entering the negotiation step...

He's not using...but he wants to...he knows he'll be ok if he doesn't but feels better knowing they're there...just in case...

If i just save them...i mean...not use them...but if i just save the statues, everything will be all right...i'm not using, so just having them doesn't mean anything...

Until Claire kicked him out of the tent...

Osiris-RA
January 12th, 2006, 06:55 PM
I hope he keeps faith in himself. It seems like another test of the island. To see if they can keep the faith.

KatG
January 12th, 2006, 07:29 PM
What a fantastic episode, almost made the 6 week wait worthwhile.

I wasn't sure before but after seeing this episode the island monster has to be some sort of Nanoswarm, even the podcast alluded to it. I can't imagine it being anything else, and just how cool did it look? It definately acted like it was intelligent.

I'm going to have to re-read Michael Crichton's 'Prey'

Where did you get the podcast from?

Cinephilic TV Addict
January 12th, 2006, 11:14 PM
Good episode - not great, but probably the best of season 2 so far. There were a couple of contrivances I could have lived without (like Eko's brother stepping dircetly into the line of fire...) but I was entertained.

Certianly better than the stargate premieres last week (especially SG-1...ugh was that ep awful...).

Oblivion147
January 13th, 2006, 12:30 AM
Where did you get the podcast from?

On the official Lost website http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/101322.html the producers talk about the reappearance of the monster in this episode, it's well worth a listen and suprisingly informative.

KatG
January 13th, 2006, 09:31 AM
On the official Lost website http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/101322.html the producers talk about the reappearance of the monster in this episode, it's well worth a listen and suprisingly informative.

Oh this is great. Thank you.

Nasa
January 14th, 2006, 05:29 AM
Easily the best episode of season 2 so far . Mr Ecko's backstory didnt dissapoint cannot wait for more !!! .

aaobuttons
January 14th, 2006, 11:34 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on why the screen was blank when Michael looked back at it after he talked with Jack? I think there was never anything on the screen at all and that Michael is just seeing what he wants to see (his son, alive).

Nasa
January 14th, 2006, 04:37 PM
Maybe he was deleting the conversation because of jacks appearance? the reason i believe that is i could remember michael tapping the keyboard when he saw jack

Cinephilic TV Addict
January 15th, 2006, 11:03 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on why the screen was blank when Michael looked back at it after he talked with Jack? I think there was never anything on the screen at all and that Michael is just seeing what he wants to see (his son, alive).

I think he's talking to someone (may or may not be Walt), but I was wondering if anyone caught the last line of what 'Walt' typed - I thought it said something like "You must come alone."

That would explain next week's trailer, where Michael goes commando, running off into the jungle...

aaobuttons
January 16th, 2006, 09:35 AM
Well he's not talking to Walt, I'm sure of that. Kids don't talk or type like that.

ste
January 16th, 2006, 04:09 PM
has anyone else seen the clip for the next episode, im mainly interested in the part when 3 of them are in the jungle at night, fires light themselfs and we can hear a spooky voice telling them "THIS IS OUR ISLAND".

made the hair stand at the back of my neck, so dam freaky, i cant wait to see it.

Posherella
January 16th, 2006, 04:45 PM
Anyone have any thoughts on why the screen was blank when Michael looked back at it after he talked with Jack? I think there was never anything on the screen at all and that Michael is just seeing what he wants to see (his son, alive).

I agree. I think the scene intended to show us that computer Walt is all in Michael's mind. I think we'll probably see in the next few episodes that Michael is going a tad bit crazy.

Qtyled
April 10th, 2006, 07:30 AM
Just saw this episode the other night. One of my favourites! Definitely one of the best from S2. Wasn't really a surprise seeing smoke, but the soal seeker thing is very interesting... kinda ties in with walt's psycic abilities. This is one of the few episodes where more answers were give than questions. But Is till wanna know... how did a plane get from nigeria to the south pacific!!!

ItsDan
April 10th, 2006, 11:45 AM
how did a plane get from nigeria to the south pacific!!!

Maybe it flew there? :)

The Signal
April 10th, 2006, 03:02 PM
^Better than my idea of sugerplum faries (I love that) and magnets. I found this episode a little dull and uninteresting, odd because that is the total opposite of Eko himself. it was just one hard to believe event to another, even the moster bit couldnt save it in my book.

Metarock Sam
June 22nd, 2006, 01:54 AM
I loved this ep !!!! Eko Rules !!! and has such a brilliant backstory (last eps one kind of bored me). All the stuff in Nigerea really helped explain who this character is and the way he acts. Also why he was such a holy man of sorts. ( he became a priest out there so it must have sunk into him). But one question if he is from Nigeria why would he be going on a plane from Australia to America. Im pretty sure that there is more of his story to be revealed.
And then we had that encounter with the shadow monster which is really cool and im with the other people here in thinking that the monster is some kind of Nano Swarm.
Charlie and the drugs. He may be using them (look at the way he was so snappy at Hurley in ep 4) but I think he is just hoarding them as a sort of 'failsafe' he can go on without them but just in case that sort of thing.
I think that love is in the air between Hurley and Libby. Looks interesting and looks like something that will develop over the next few eps.
Michael and the computer. Now It could be possible that it is all in his mind but it looks more like it is real and that he is being malipulated. Perhaps by the others since after all they took his son away and would be playing on that weakness.
And to top this ep off we have that brilliant preview for next weeks ep with Michael going AWOL and with all those torches lighting up with the spooky voice saying 'This is our Island'. I cant wait !!!

Oceanic_Jack
June 22nd, 2006, 09:32 AM
I agree! i liked this episode, Ekos flashback was cool and did u notice the priest that eko shot when he was little said 'dont take the children' or something like that... i thought it was a bit like the situation with the 'others', taking the children from the flight!
Anyways, i think the whole thing with the black smoke thing is that it will only kill the 'bad' people on the island, as the others said...some people are 'good', like locke and some people are 'bad' like ana lucia....i think this has something to do with people being able to contract the disease that Rousseau's team died of!? 'good' people are safe or have something in their body to fight off the disease/s and the 'bad' are succeptable to them....

Darkstar
June 27th, 2006, 03:10 AM
This episode I could sit and watched without even switching the box over...hmmmm where do i start, the whole episode was compelling and did answer a few questions, still it's episode 10 and untill next time we will then find out what other things lurk in the jungle than the black cloud.

MB.Eddie
July 16th, 2006, 01:37 AM
I liked this episode, as it showed a lot of Mr Eko's background. Made him stronger as a character imo :)