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January 2nd, 2006, 06:57 PM
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As Roslin and Baltar jockey for position leading up to the presidential election, Kara leads a dangerous mission back to Caprica to rescue members of the resistance.

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SomeoneElse292
March 3rd, 2006, 06:55 PM
Wow!

Vash
March 3rd, 2006, 06:56 PM
Indeed, wow!

Vienna_Smiles
March 3rd, 2006, 06:57 PM
Captivating story arcs are being developed, I look forward to part 2.

kharn the betrayer
March 3rd, 2006, 06:58 PM
OMG Roslin told Baltar to go Frak himself :thoranime09:

we have a preist version of Dr Cottal XD XD

Cheif thinks he is a Cylon :O

we see Geata again after him just going *poof* and dissapearing for a while

and the stupid sci fi add spoiled the outcome of the election for me >:(

but that was a realy good episode I cant wait till next week

oh and the chemistry between Adama and Rosalin..wow

*waits for the pod cast*

titans
March 3rd, 2006, 06:59 PM
Good, not great but good. Alot of set up for next week. Unfortunatly I read the spoilers so I know just how much does happen next week.

Although Cally getting beaten half to death was enjoyable.

Taonas
March 3rd, 2006, 07:00 PM
Good, not great but good. Alot of set up for next week. Unfortunatly I read the spoilers so I know just how much does happen next week.

Although Cally getting beaten half to death was enjoyable.
Beaten?! Why?! (I ask because I missed the episode).

Moulin
March 3rd, 2006, 07:01 PM
Excellent episode. Excellent set up for next week. Loved the chief's struggles, loved Stockwell, Zarek's manipulation, Roslin giggling and telling Baltar to frak himself, and the Kara/Anders reunion. It was all top notch.

kharn the betrayer
March 3rd, 2006, 07:03 PM
Beaten?! Why?! (I ask because I missed the episode).
Cheif goes crazy and beats the **** out of her

poor Cally I actually liked her since she bit that guys ear off back in season 1....

titans
March 3rd, 2006, 07:03 PM
Beaten?! Why?! (I ask because I missed the episode).

Wrong place at the wrong time...or Chief just got tired of her constant "aww shucks" sweetness and decided to beat the tar outa her.

Vienna_Smiles
March 3rd, 2006, 07:04 PM
OMG Roslin told Baltar to go Frak himself :thoranime09:

we have a preist version of Dr Cottal XD XD

Cheif thinks he is a Cylon :O

we see Geata again after him just going *poof* and dissapearing for a while

and the stupid sci fi add spoiled the outcome of the election for me >:(

but that was a realy good episode I cant wait till next week

oh and the chemistry between Adama and Rosalin..wow

*waits for the pod cast*


That chemistry between Roslin and Adama wrecks my idea of Dee dumping Lee for Papa Adama...

kharn the betrayer
March 3rd, 2006, 07:06 PM
That chemistry between Roslin and Adama wrecks my idea of Dee dumping Lee for Papa Adama...
the Idea of Dee with Admiral Adama makes me want to vomit more than her being with Dee :X

sharkface217
March 3rd, 2006, 07:07 PM
SPOILERS BELOW (duh)








Overall, not a great episode, but a damn good one. It really was of the same quality as the Stargate SG1 from 2 hours before: Lots of info, but really nothing overly cool. Hopefully, the 90 minute episode next week will totally rock. This episode sets it up for lots great things.


Cally getting pimp-handed was pretty sad yet somehow entertaining.... as was the part where Dean Stockwell talks to Chief.


3/5 stars.

Taonas
March 3rd, 2006, 07:07 PM
the Idea of Dee with Admiral Adama makes me want to vomit more than her being with Dee :X
I'm going to second that x.x

titans
March 3rd, 2006, 07:07 PM
the Idea of Dee with Admiral Adama makes me want to vomit more than her being with Dee :X

the idea of Dee with anyone doesn't sit well with me, especially Hardcore Husker!!

walterIsTheMan
March 3rd, 2006, 07:13 PM
A good of episode, but like other people said, too much info not enough action. I'm sure next week's episode will be mind-blowing. I can't wait.:)

tucker9477
March 3rd, 2006, 07:13 PM
the only problem that i have with tonight's episode is that my dvr doesn't have the ability to fast forward through live television... in other words, the commercial breaks were killing me. well, i did have a problem with one thing... lee adama did not seem very commander-ish tonight. i hope that's not how he will continue to be....

Moulin
March 3rd, 2006, 07:14 PM
the idea of Dee with anyone doesn't sit well with me, especially Hardcore Husker!!

Why? Because she's such a terrible person? Hardly. She's no worse than anyone else. It looks to be Lee/Dee and Kara/Anders, so let's enjoy it. Kara and Anders reunion was surprisingly sweet. He makes her happy.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
March 3rd, 2006, 07:15 PM
I must say that was a pretty crappy cliff-hanger for the ep.

Anyway, Interesting ep, I give it a ***.

ShadowMaat
March 3rd, 2006, 07:16 PM
Gotta say, the part I liked best was Tyrol's. And Brother Al. "I'm a cylon and I don't remember seeing you at any of the meetings." LOL! He made some good calls. I'll be curious to see if it's revealed whether or not he really IS a cylon.

Loved the "especially Cally" bit. Poor Tyrol. Going back to the deck crew next week is gonna be harsh on him, especially when they accept him back with open arms. ;)

As for his fears that he's a cylon, my guess is "No" simply because we already went through this with Boomer last season and I can't see them pulling the same stunt twice. This is BSG, not Stargate. :P

However, just to play devil's advocate for a moment: having Tyrol be a cylon would give Sharon plenty of reason not to tell Adama who the other cylons are.

The political BS is just that: BS. I know it's a big part of Galactica, but I've never cared for it and I like it even less, now.

titans
March 3rd, 2006, 07:16 PM
the only problem that i have with tonight's episode is that my dvr doesn't have the ability to fast forward through live television... in other words, the commercial breaks were killing me. well, i did have a problem with one thing... lee adama did not seem very commander-ish tonight. i hope that's not how he will continue to be....

Ahhh perfect setup...thank you...

Thats because he's not very "comander-ish" Hee's a doof! I still expect the pilots and officers to give him noogies when he walks into the ready room!

Moulin
March 3rd, 2006, 07:16 PM
I must say that was a pretty crappy cliff-hanger for the ep.

Anyway, Interesting ep, I give it a ***.

The cut off was rather abrupt.

kharn the betrayer
March 3rd, 2006, 07:18 PM
Why? Because she's such a terrible person? Hardly. She's no worse than anyone else. It looks to be Lee/Dee and Kara/Anders, so let's enjoy it. Kara and Anders reunion was surprisingly sweet. He makes her happy.
I honestly dont mind Anders/Kara that much

while IMO Anders doesnt have as much chemestry with Kara as Lee

he still has ALOT more chemistry with her than Dee has with Lee :X

captainpash
March 3rd, 2006, 07:19 PM
This was one big setup. I think it was great, and some interesting camera angle choices. I loved Dean Stockwell.

Cheif: How do you know I am not a cylon?

Dean: Well maybe I am a cylon, and I haven't seen you at any of the meetings.

ShadowMaat
March 3rd, 2006, 07:20 PM
Actually, I like Kara/Anders. I'd like it more if he wasn't as much of a plot device as Dee is. :rolleyes:

titans
March 3rd, 2006, 07:21 PM
I like Anders / Kara. I like Anders. I hope he remains aboard Galactica as like a marine or something along those lines. Lord knows after a year on Cylon occupied Caprica fighting the Cylons he's qualified

Moulin
March 3rd, 2006, 07:27 PM
I honestly dont mind Anders/Kara that much

while IMO Anders doesnt have as much chemestry with Kara as Lee

he still has ALOT more chemistry with her than Dee has with Lee :X

I always thought Lee would have a lot of chemistry with Racetrack, but I like him with Dee as well. Different opinions, as they say, are the spice of life. :D If Kara/Anders works, why not stick with it? No need to write him out arbitrarily because the young male and female lead "must" be together. It's not a rule.

I thought Lee seemed calm and in control as commander. I want that part of his life to continue.

ToasterOnFire
March 3rd, 2006, 07:31 PM
Great setup for the 90 minute finale. And frack you very much, SciFi, for revealing the election results. Now I have to avoid BSG commercials entirely if I want to stay spoiler-free in the future. :(

I loved the scene between Adama and Roslin with her tearing cards, breaking pencils, and giggling before the debate. Especially cute to see them walking down the halls in hysterics. :D

Roslin handled herself like a true politician during the debate, and I enjoyed her sticking it to Baltar after the show. Part of me does want to see Baltar in charge, if only to enjoy him screaming and running away when the crap really hits the fan. :D

There was one scene in particular when the raptors jumped, when the camera followed the last raptor from space directly to Caprica's atmosphere. That was a wonderful shot.

Who could be a cyclon? Tyrol is rising in my ranks of possibilities. Roslin's new advisor is still giving me the cyclon itch, but I don't know if TPTB are going to scratch it. :P

Two questions:

-Did I miss some of the scenes in the “previously” segment? I don’t remember Lee talking with Dee about leaving the Galactica but not her, nor do I remember Kara talking with Roslin about returning to Caprica while Roslin was in the hospital. Were those deleted scenes?

-Was the whole “discretion advised due to violent content” disclaimer because of Tyrol beating up Callie? Because yes, it was traumatic but I didn’t feel it was that violent to warrant a warning. The cliffhanger between Adama and Boomer last season was much more violent – did that have a disclaimer?

Vienna_Smiles
March 3rd, 2006, 07:35 PM
I always thought Lee would have a lot of chemistry with Racetrack, but I like him with Dee as well. Different opinions, as they say, are the spice of life. :D If Kara/Anders works, why not stick with it? No need to write him out arbitrarily because the young male and female lead "must" be together. It's not a rule.

I thought Lee seemed calm and in control as commander. I want that part of his life to continue.


Has Lee ever acknowledged the existance of Racetrack?

I could really get into Lee and Chevon. What a layered and brutally honest relationship that could have become. As for Kara/Anders.. it has more interest and realism than the contrived relationship that is Lee/Dee.

ShadowMaat
March 3rd, 2006, 07:37 PM
I like the idea of Roslin's advisor being a cylon. I figured she just seemed weird because I was missing Billy. :P

The "lingering on the last raptor" thing was done both times. It worked well. And ouch to jumping into the mountain, although hopefully it meant a quick and painless death to the Raptor crew.

Scooteristi
March 3rd, 2006, 07:37 PM
Great setup for the 90 minute finale. And frack you very much, SciFi, for revealing the election results. Now I have to avoid BSG commercials entirely if I want to stay spoiler-free in the future.

Funny, I saw no results, just a whole lotta teasin' which may or may not turn out to be true.

Chig
March 3rd, 2006, 07:41 PM
Fear tactics as part of a political campaign? Were have I heard this before? Sometimes I wish the topical would not be pushed into the stories....

Well I expect we have the set up for a brilliant season finale.

**spoiler****

What was the deal with the preview for next week starting off with a written statement "the beginning of the end". Is that end of a series? Is that end of Baltar's deceptions among the people of the fleet? Is that the end of the running, or Rosalyn's presidency? Is that the end of cooperation between military and governement?

titans
March 3rd, 2006, 07:43 PM
Fear tactics as part of a political campaign? Were have I heard this before? Sometimes I wish the topical would not be pushed into the stories....

Well I expect we have the set up for a brilliant season finale.

**spoiler****

What was the deal with the preview for next week starting off with a written statement "the beginning of the end". Is that end of a series? Is that end of Baltar's deceptions among the people of the fleet? Is that the end of the running, or Rosalyn's presidency? Is that the end of cooperation between military and governement?

Is it the end of the season????...Oh wait it is...damn!

ShadowMaat
March 3rd, 2006, 07:43 PM
If they announced the results, I missed it. I was too busy writing up a geek-out fest about the ep for my blog. ;)

Happy to have missed it, though.

Chig
March 3rd, 2006, 08:09 PM
I expect next week we will have our minds blown in the last 10 minutes of the 90 minute episode. These writers are wicked like that. Is it July yet?

Can you feel that season end mind game coming up?

Vienna_Smiles
March 3rd, 2006, 08:12 PM
I loved the banter between Admiral Adama and Kara before she headed off for Caprica..

ellymelly
March 3rd, 2006, 08:16 PM
is anyone willing to give a more full spoiler report to someone who won't get to see this ep for months?

anotherquestion
March 3rd, 2006, 08:24 PM
No the title to this post does not refer to Calley, though the shoe fits.

Instead I'd like to invest in the company that manufactures the Colonial military transponders. Any product that still functions accurately after materializing from a hyperjump directly into a mountain must be the pinnacle of durability and resilience.

They ought to make the New Orleans levees out of the same stuff.

By the way, what will it take to compel the Chief to spend some time in the Brig? He's killed the Pegasus second in command and Security Chief, aided and abetted a known Cylon, helped to cover up the murder of a superior officer (Crashdown) in a combat situation, and now criminally assaulted Calley.

I know he has skills, but enough is enough.

sharkface217
March 3rd, 2006, 08:26 PM
Great setup for the 90 minute finale. And frack you very much, SciFi, for revealing the election results. Now I have to avoid BSG commercials entirely if I want to stay spoiler-free in the future. :(

I loved the scene between Adama and Roslin with her tearing cards, breaking pencils, and giggling before the debate. Especially cute to see them walking down the halls in hysterics. :D

Roslin handled herself like a true politician during the debate, and I enjoyed her sticking it to Baltar after the show. Part of me does want to see Baltar in charge, if only to enjoy him screaming and running away when the crap really hits the fan. :D

There was one scene in particular when the raptors jumped, when the camera followed the last raptor from space directly to Caprica's atmosphere. That was a wonderful shot.

Who could be a cyclon? Tyrol is rising in my ranks of possibilities. Roslin's new advisor is still giving me the cyclon itch, but I don't know if TPTB are going to scratch it. :P

Two questions:

-Did I miss some of the scenes in the “previously” segment? I don’t remember Lee talking with Dee about leaving the Galactica but not her, nor do I remember Kara talking with Roslin about returning to Caprica while Roslin was in the hospital. Were those deleted scenes?

-Was the whole “discretion advised due to violent content” disclaimer because of Tyrol beating up Callie? Because yes, it was traumatic but I didn’t feel it was that violent to warrant a warning. The cliffhanger between Adama and Boomer last season was much more violent – did that have a disclaimer?



YES! That seriously pissed me the frack off.... why would they show us what happens before next week?!?!?! Totally ruined half of next week's episode for me.



And no, I won't tell you who wins.

sharkface217
March 3rd, 2006, 08:27 PM
No the title to this post does not refer to Calley, though the shoe fits.

Instead I'd like to invest in the company that manufactures the Colonial military transponders. Any product that still functions accurately after materializing from a hyperjump directly into a mountain must be the pinnacle of durability and resilience.

They ought to make the New Orleans levees out of the same stuff.



OOPH! That quip about New Orleans was horribly distateful. I applaud you.


*golf clap*

Vienna_Smiles
March 3rd, 2006, 08:27 PM
If they announced the results, I missed it. I was too busy writing up a geek-out fest about the ep for my blog. ;)

Happy to have missed it, though.


I'd love the link to your blog :)

ShadowMaat
March 3rd, 2006, 08:45 PM
By the way, what will it take to compel the Chief to spend some time in the Brig? He's killed the Pegasus second in command and Security Chief, aided and abetted a known Cylon, helped to cover up the murder of a superior officer (Crashdown) in a combat situation, and now criminally assaulted Calley.
Well, he DID spend some time in the brig for killing the Pegasus 2IC and he was in the brig for a while for something else (Boomer related, I think). But as for beating the crap out of Cally, my guess is that she wouldn't press charges. Although I don't know how that works in the military. If she says it was just an accident or something. *shrug*

Regardless of his wicked ways (or maybe because of them), I like Tyrol. I wanna see how this is gonna play out.

verse1991
March 3rd, 2006, 08:53 PM
So i missed this one, and everybody needs to tell me kinda what happened. How come he went crazy? Did the elections happen yet? Who died? Ahhh. I need to see it. The add was really annoying cuz now i need to know what has happened. Help!!!

ToasterOnFire
March 3rd, 2006, 08:54 PM
The "lingering on the last raptor" thing was done both times. It worked well. And ouch to jumping into the mountain, although hopefully it meant a quick and painless death to the Raptor crew.
IIRC, in the first linger the entire scene shifted to the misty area where the raptor jumped but in the second linger the camera stayed on the raptor but the scene shifted around it. I thought that was really cool.


Funny, I saw no results, just a whole lotta teasin' which may or may not turn out to be true.
Well we didn't see any official results, but I did see Baltar giving an "official order" to Adama. I don't think he'd do that unless he was elected president. Or attempting mutiny, in which case Adama would wring his neck and Roslin would show him to the nearest airlock... :D

But hey, it could all be a tease. TPTB likes to shake things up.


Well, he DID spend some time in the brig for killing the Pegasus 2IC and he was in the brig for a while for something else (Boomer related, I think).
He spent some time under investigation by an independent board after the water tanks were bombed on Galactica. Adama shut the whole thing down after realizing it was a witch hunt.

ShadowMaat
March 3rd, 2006, 08:59 PM
IIRC, in the first linger the entire scene shifted to the misty area where the raptor jumped but in the second linger the camera stayed on the raptor but the scene shifted around it. I thought that was really cool.
I said "lingering on the last raptor", I didn't say, "...and then following it up in the next scene." IIRC. :P ;)


He spent some time under investigation by an independent board after the water tanks were bombed on Galactica. Adama shut the whole thing down after realizing it was a witch hunt.
Rght. Thanks for the reminder. Anything that happened more than three hours ago tends to get a bit fuzzy for me. Must be old age. :D

Who are you again? ;)

sharky277
March 3rd, 2006, 09:02 PM
Well we didn't see any official results, but I did see Baltar giving an "official order" to Adama. I don't think he'd do that unless he was elected president. Or attempting mutiny, in which case Adama would wring his neck and Roslin would show him to the nearest airlock... :D

But hey, it could all be a tease. TPTB likes to shake things up.



He is the VP, they can give orders too.

ToasterOnFire
March 3rd, 2006, 09:19 PM
Who are you again? ;)
Hell, I don't even know who I am most of the time. :D


He is the VP, they can give orders too.
But I didn't think that the VP could order around Adama. I thought only the pres. was higher than Adama. Maybe he could do it as the VP, but I would imagine only with Roslin's approval. And I don't think he's going to get that anytime soon...

CKO
March 3rd, 2006, 09:39 PM
was it me or was the opening longer then the other eps... i think it was bout 12 mins (but then i could have just been seein' things too..) but for some reason it was way longer then the rest so far this season.

LoneStar1836
March 3rd, 2006, 09:50 PM
This may have been more of an info building episode leading up to next week’s, but I still thought it was good. It still had great character moments, and I enjoy those as much as I enjoy the actual plot of the episode. The 10 minute opening bit set up the individual storylines nicely. Not quite as good as the one for KLG but still effective.

Can’t wait for next week’s 90-minute ep.




Instead I'd like to invest in the company that manufactures the Colonial military transponders. Any product that still functions accurately after materializing from a hyperjump directly into a mountain must be the pinnacle of durability and resilience.

They ought to make the New Orleans levees out of the same stuff.And even then they still would have been breached. ;)

Rhubi
March 3rd, 2006, 09:52 PM
Just finished listening to the podcast and now I really can't wait for next weeks ep. I agreed with RDM's wife that the Ty/Cally part was very difficult to watch but I was expecting much more with the "parent advisory" at the beginning.

I know that they're just teasing us for next weeks show but I'm getting a bit sick of seeing half of the episode while watching Stargate. I've started to record the shows and then watch them later on in the evening. But it's hard to completely avoid seeing anything in the teasers and I try to stay very spoiler free.

Overall I liked the episode knowing that it is just a set up for next week.

mgdx1959
March 3rd, 2006, 09:55 PM
YES! That seriously pissed me the frack off.... why would they show us what happens before next week?!?!?! Totally ruined half of next week's episode for me.



And no, I won't tell you who wins.

I am hoping what we saw was not the whole story... maybe just a teaser to mislead us ;)

Astrofighter
March 3rd, 2006, 09:58 PM
it doesnt make any sense that the chief would be a cylon, then when baltar nearly killed him to find out how many cylons are in the fleet and sharon accessed the information she would have learned that he was one as well at that time, also in downloaded she (of course) spoke of him as a human that she loved, if he was just another model then she would just tact it up to everything else in her life that was fake

wizelf
March 3rd, 2006, 10:04 PM
Funny, I saw no results, just a whole lotta teasin' which may or may not turn out to be true.

There's a scene when Baltar says "Those are your orders..." so one could assume that he wins, but then again, it could be a total different scenario. It's possible that they find something wrong with the planet and people freak out and vote for Roslyn. I would hate for Baltar to win.

Smashing Young Man
March 3rd, 2006, 11:14 PM
Baltar will win. The producers definitely plan to shake things up, and we've had Roslin for president since the series premiere. Putting Baltar in the top spot will do much to change the dynamic of the show. There are definitely "dark" and turbulent times ahead (well...darker than usual, anyway).

ellymelly
March 4th, 2006, 01:20 AM
bsg dark? no... :D i hope they do mix it up a little but Laura not president? i'm kind of hoping she gets to be president again and kick baltar's ass

shockwave
March 4th, 2006, 03:28 AM
this a great episode
the background music in the beginning 10 minutes
I was shocked to see that it was over already, I didn't expect the To Be continued for at least 5 minutes

Craig Ranapia
March 4th, 2006, 04:04 AM
Was the whole “discretion advised due to violent content” disclaimer because of Tyrol beating up Callie? Because yes, it was traumatic but I didn’t feel it was that violent to warrant a warning. The cliffhanger between Adama and Boomer last season was much more violent – did that have a disclaimer?

Well, it did down here in New Zealand. I don't think this is an appropriate forum to be debating the *ahem* peculiarities of what does and doesn't push the buttons of network executives, but I'd be more shocked if it had gone out without a viewer discretion card.

Hamyseven
March 4th, 2006, 06:07 AM
I thought the whole episode was great, especially how Baltar is so annoyed by Six. I am not sure by the preview of next week that we can say that Baltar wins the election at all. I think he will but that is just my opinion. I think the Cylons have set up the finding of a new planet using Sharon and plan on wiping them all out once and for all. Just look at Baltar's face when he is looking out into space. Can anyone say Cylon attack fleet?

titans
March 4th, 2006, 06:30 AM
No the title to this post does not refer to Calley, though the shoe fits.

Instead I'd like to invest in the company that manufactures the Colonial military transponders. Any product that still functions accurately after materializing from a hyperjump directly into a mountain must be the pinnacle of durability and resilience.

They ought to make the New Orleans levees out of the same stuff.

By the way, what will it take to compel the Chief to spend some time in the Brig? He's killed the Pegasus second in command and Security Chief, aided and abetted a known Cylon, helped to cover up the murder of a superior officer (Crashdown) in a combat situation, and now criminally assaulted Calley.

I know he has skills, but enough is enough.

All good points actually! How does a transponder work after materializing in a mountain? And how high does the chief deathcount have to get before punishment is handed out?

anotherquestion
March 4th, 2006, 07:05 AM
Well, he DID spend some time in the brig for killing the Pegasus 2IC and he was in the brig for a while for something else (Boomer related, I think). But as for beating the crap out of Cally, my guess is that she wouldn't press charges. Although I don't know how that works in the military. If she says it was just an accident or something. *shrug*

It is true that the Chief did some relatively minor brig time. And he was beaten (with Helo) by the "yee haw" twins on Pegasus. And he was tortured by Baltar to extract the number of models of Cylons in the fleet (a tidbit that we don't know if Baltar shared with anyone else, BTW). And, now that I remember it, he was slapped once by Tigh after Boomer shot the Old Man.

You could chalk all that off to "time served" and I still think he would have some big brig time coming to him.

After all, do we know for sure that he still is the "Chief"? He could have been busted down in rank and the Engineer impressed into service by Cain on Pegasus could still be the new Chief on Galactica. Perhaps that's why he reacted so violently to Cally, for addressing him by his former rank?

On a more probable tack, perhaps Tyrol is sensing the "dark period" ahead, just as Sharon is. This is still another indication that he is picking up vibes like Cylons do. Perhaps, since his parents were priests, there's a touch of the prophet in Galen Tyrol. He might turn out to be a Jeremiah on the new planet, spreading gloom and doom.

ShadowMaat
March 4th, 2006, 07:16 AM
Another possible explanation for the lack of proper punishment/brig time could be that the "rules" have somewhat loosened since the Cylon war started. In a race to save humanity, they need every able-bodied person they can get. They've already released some of the criminals from the prison ship, right? Methinks those guys have done things just as bad- if not worse- than Tyrol ever did, but they're still proving their usefulness in other ways, much as Tyrol is doing. For all his faults, I think he's still a good person. Or possible person. ;) He just has a bit of an impulse control problem. LOL!

Regarding Brother Al (what was his name?), how did he know about the whole thing with Boomer/Sharon? Did Tyrol tell him about that off-screen, maybe as some sort of background to his current situation? It kinda caught me by surprise to hear him mention it. Given Tyrol's reticence on other matters, I find it surprising that he'd mention that. Unless the Brother heard about it through other means.

Psychodad
March 4th, 2006, 07:31 AM
Did anyone think it odd the raptors had no viper fighter coverage on the rescue mission to Caprica?

anotherquestion
March 4th, 2006, 07:50 AM
Did anyone think it odd the raptors had no viper fighter coverage on the rescue mission to Caprica?
Vipers don't have FTL drives.

This is a mission where, I expect, the fleet wishes it had salvaged a few more Cylon Raiders instead of destroying them all in "Flight of the Phoenix".

I do wonder why they didn't take along the heavy Cylon raider that Sharon and Strarbuck brought back from Caprica. Maybe they weren't feeding it well.

sharky277
March 4th, 2006, 07:53 AM
its not odd, they were supposed to just land, pick up the resistance, and leave. The fighting is all done on the ground and they jumped so near the surface that maybe the vipers cant stand those forces? Then again, they also need the vipers for the fleet, incase the cylons attack them.


What I can't understand is what looked like a decimated human body in the raptor next to Sharon. Why did they need that, and what was it?

kharn the betrayer
March 4th, 2006, 08:04 AM
I do wonder why they didn't take along the heavy Cylon raider that Sharon and Strarbuck brought back from Caprica.


RDM said in the Pod cast they were originaly going to use the Heavy Raider but it was cut dew to budget



What I can't understand is what looked like a decimated human body in the raptor next to Sharon. Why did they need that, and what was it?


my guess is that is the part of the heavy Raider that allows them to use the FTL drive so without that they cant make hop as far

Astrofighter
March 4th, 2006, 08:46 AM
Yeah as stated vipers do not have FTL drives, I guess you can compare it to SG1 and Death Gliders, they are too small to hold an engine that can get them into hyper space. The same holds true for vipers, they are designed to have high endurance very manueverable engines instead. If they need to jump anywhere they are taken there by their Battlestar.

keshou
March 4th, 2006, 08:51 AM
Mostly setup for what should be a phenomonal 90-minute finale. Still.....I loved it.

*I freaked out when Tyrol started beating up Cally. Poor Chief ...and poor Cally. :o

*Loved the conversations between the priest (good casting there with Dean Stockwell) and Tyrol. BSG can put two people in a room and make it compelling TV. LOL at the "you're not a Cylon because I haven't seen you at any of the Cylon meetings" thing.

*Loved that Kara was back to begin kickbut Starbuck, leading the mission. And I actually LIKE Kara/Anders although I admit he's probably just a plot device, like Dee. But at least they have some chemistry.

*The political debates seemed familiar ;) ....smiled at "there he goes again" line from Roslin. And yeah.....wish Scifi hadn't spoiled the election results in the preview.

*Hope we get some interaction with the resurrected Six and Boomer in next week's episode.

Aargh.....this is going to be a long week. And already dreading the long dry spell until new episodes start this summer.

Lady Snow
March 4th, 2006, 12:03 PM
Just saw it - and I agree with the general sentiment that it's an excellent set-up episode.

Anyone have a link to the preview for next week?

Edit: Never mind - found one :)

NakedJehutyV2
March 4th, 2006, 12:41 PM
great cg when they jumped to caprica in the last few minutes. it's instant but inferior in range to sg1 hpyerdrives. prolly in our galaxy

NakedJehutyV2
March 4th, 2006, 12:44 PM
hey we'll get an awesome 90minute ending!!!!

dec55
March 4th, 2006, 05:50 PM
Boomer/Sharon is gorgeous as usual.....loved it when after her tragic loss of baby
Hera...she still continues to help the Colonials....with a broken heart....

I found it hilarious when the Raptor pilots of the Pegasus saw
that Sharon was going to help them. The shock on their faces was
just priceless!!!!

This was the best part for me in this episode.....Sharon and Helo
are just fantastic together......I hope they find out that Hera is still alive!!!!

ShadowMaat
March 4th, 2006, 06:58 PM
Boomer/Sharon is gorgeous as usual.....loved it when after her tragic loss of baby Hera...she still continues to help the Colonials....with a broken heart....
Seemed to me like she was operating mostly on autopilot. Going through the motions, doing what was required, but not really there, ya know?


This was the best part for me in this episode.....Sharon and Helo
are just fantastic together......I hope they find out that Hera is still alive!!!!
They do have excellent chemistry, although I shudder to think what will happen if/when they find out Hera is still alive. If Sharon was ready to kill Doc Cottle and curse off of humanity for being murderers, what's going to happen when she finds out they LIED to her about her baby?

Roslin might have thought she was making the right decision, but it could prove to be suicidally stupid. Or maybe genocidally stupid.

Scooteristi
March 4th, 2006, 07:09 PM
They do have excellent chemistry, although I shudder to think what will happen if/when they find out Hera is still alive. If Sharon was ready to kill Doc Cottle and curse off of humanity for being murderers, what's going to happen when she finds out they LIED to her about her baby?

One hopes that if Baltar wins the election that Roslin ain't dumb enough to tell him about the baby.

Astrofighter
March 4th, 2006, 09:10 PM
Adama won't play ball with baltar, if he does win...he still loses. He can't force Adama to do anything he wants, especially since he doesn't trust him at all. He can just say "ok you can go have fun i'm going to take my two Battlestars and get the heck out of here with anyone else with any brains".

insomniacity
March 5th, 2006, 12:46 AM
Apologies if this isn't the right place.. but can anyone name the background music at the start of this episode? It plays from just after the recap, up to the title sequence and its beautiful.

It really sets up the episode well...

I hope somebody knows the name!

titans
March 5th, 2006, 04:12 AM
Adama won't play ball with baltar, if he does win...he still loses. He can't force Adama to do anything he wants, especially since he doesn't trust him at all. He can just say "ok you can go have fun i'm going to take my two Battlestars and get the heck out of here with anyone else with any brains".

I think thats exactly what he might end up doing.

LoneStar1836
March 5th, 2006, 08:15 AM
Apologies if this isn't the right place.. but can anyone name the background music at the start of this episode? It plays from just after the recap, up to the title sequence and its beautiful.

It really sets up the episode well...

I hope somebody knows the name!I can’t tell you the title of the piece, but the composer is Bear McCreary (http://www.bearmccreary.com/) who does the score for each episode of BSG. That may have been the 10 minute piece (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=24589) that he was talking about scoring for the season finale.

It ought to be included on the season 2 soundtrack for BSG when it’s released in June.

THSEX1138
March 5th, 2006, 09:08 AM
This episode proves the Sci-Fi should honor their top rated show by having ONE 4 hour season finale for each season period. I still have no Idea what plan the Cylons are suppose to have. They spent too much time with the giggling election political thing, I want more explosions! This ep will have more meaning next week and may move up in my personal rankings after looking back over everything. The acting with Brother Cavell was superb. I however was disturbed by his " I've never seen you at any of the Meetings" comment. It's the same thing Six told Baltar about Doral in the Mini. It's one of those catch phrases that immediately raised my eyebrow..Hmmmm? The bad jump to the Nebula planet also raises my concerns because once again it reminds me of the bad jump plotted by Lt. Gaeta to Kobol. I believe that Lt. Gaeta is a Cylon and anything he touches I'll always watch with close scrutiny.

WOW that Cally can sure take a punch poor babie! Tyrol should spend the next season making it up to her. The HALO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HALO/HAHO) scenes with the Raptors were simply Jaw dropping and so is RACETRACK:eek: ! This episode was over too fast and seemed to last only about 30 minutes. For visual effects the Raptor re-entry scene ranks among my top ten as far a the episode it's somewhere around Black Market quality.

Note to deck all deck hands "DON'T WAKE THE CHIEF!"

TameFarrar
March 5th, 2006, 09:19 AM
Well I was completely GLUED to my TV for this episode...

* WOW Aaron Douglas...he is fantastic!!! no metter what he was doing on that screen I felt it. The pain, the anger, the anguish...what an incredible performance by this man!!!!

*Dean Stockwell - as many have said EXCELLENT choice for the Priest... he was supurb! and I love *Dead pan sarcasm* and he had it in spades :D

*Adama and Roslin were just hilarious and it made them so *real*
*Roslin getting in Baltar's face...Gads that was just awesome

*Baltar and Zerak....now these are guys you just LOVE to Hate :D

*Sharon.. Kudos to the TPTB for making me feel so sad for this woman...forgetting that she is a cylon and fighting through her very nature to help and her own anger/hate/depression Kudos to Grace Park as well great performance!

*Kara kicking butt...nice to see my favorite character doing things she KNOWS she is good at and feeling confident :D

*Loved the scene between Kara and Lee he KNOWS she is running from him to anyone else and lets her go. and Kara KNOWS she is running but can't stop herself.

*All the special FX were great as always!!

Overall I think this was an excellent *Build-up* episode and I too was SO annoyed at Sci-Fi for ONCE AGAIN giving way too much away in the promos... *Slaps promo people* But I will still watch of course :)

titans
March 5th, 2006, 09:21 AM
This episode proves the Sci-Fi should honor their top rated show by having ONE 4 hour season finale for each season period. I still have no Idea what plan the Cylons are suppose to have. They spent too much time with the giggling election political thing, I want more explosions! This ep will have more meaning next week and may move up in my personal rankings after looking back over everything. The acting with Brother Cavell was superb. I however was disturbed by his " I've never seen you at any of the Meetings" comment. It's the same thing Six told Baltar about Doral in the Mini. It's one of those catch phrases that immediately raised my eyebrow..Hmmmm? The bad jump to the Nebula planet also raises my concerns because once again it reminds me of the bad jump plotted by Lt. Gaeta to Kobol. I believe that Lt. Gaeta is a Cylon and anything he touches I'll always watch with close scrutiny.

WOW that Cally can sure take a punch poor babie! Tyrol should spend the next season making it up to her. The HALO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HALO/HAHO) scenes with the Raptors were simply Jaw dropping and so is RACETRACK:eek: ! This episode was over too fast and seemed to last only about 30 minutes. For visual effects the Raptor re-entry scene ranks among my top ten as far a the episode it's somewhere around Black Market quality.

Note to deck all deck hands "DON'T WAKE THE CHIEF!"

I too want more explosions, I also Think Cally can take a good punch to the face, thought the episode was over too fast and also agree that Gaeta's a little shady. So...were in agreement. Yay for us!

THSEX1138
March 5th, 2006, 11:21 AM
I too want more explosions, I also Think Cally can take a good punch to the face, thought the episode was over too fast and also agree that Gaeta's a little shady. So...were in agreement. Yay for us!
No I didn't mean to glorify the physical violence against Cally in anyway. Most men on the flight deck would have been knocked out cold on the third punch. At first I though he'd killed her. I'm attached to these characters and hated to see that happen to her. I was relieved to hear she was still alive. Next season they should let her carry pepper spray and wear a sidearm just in case Tyrol gets the urge to do something like this for the fourth time. Oh yeah he's done this before remember with Helo on the flight deck and he had a giant crescent wrench in his hand. Did I mention he's killed *Lt. Thorn out of pure rage? Tyrol is out of control. I disliked the brutal HBO quality beat down of Cally and I know the scene was put there for a good reason. I hope we'll find out why it had to be that violent. Any man that attacks a woman like that during a dream or wide awake is a looser and should be taught a lesson. If I was Admiral Adama instead of Brother Cavell I would have ordered a fresh bar of soap called in Specialist Gage and Verine and let them work with his aggression problems....real slow.

*Lt. Thorn deserved to die! Tryol gets a pass for that one.

titans
March 5th, 2006, 11:26 AM
No I didn't mean to glorify the physical violence against Cally in anyway.

I know but I'm all about glorifying physical violence against Cally. The "aww shucks" sweetness routine was getting old! Time for some sunshine and rainbows to get knocked outa her!

Craig Ranapia
March 5th, 2006, 11:46 AM
Regarding Brother Al (what was his name?), how did he know about the whole thing with Boomer/Sharon? Did Tyrol tell him about that off-screen, maybe as some sort of background to his current situation? It kinda caught me by surprise to hear him mention it. Given Tyrol's reticence on other matters, I find it surprising that he'd mention that. Unless the Brother heard about it through other means.

It was common knowledge that Sharon and Tyroll were *ahem* fraternising in the store room all the way back in the mini-series; and I think it would have gotten through the fleet that the Chief's ex was a Cylon as soon as she put a clip in Adama chest. (And wasn't there an episode in season 2.1 where Helo and Tyrol got in a fight when someone called them a pair of toaster-frackers, or something equally classy?) Adama was willing to ignore a serious breech of regulations when he was a commanding a floating museum, Tyrol and Sharon were days away from being re-assigned and his biggest problem was what to have for lunch. You have to be a priest - Cylon or not - to pick up on the gossip that seems to run though the fleet like a mega-dose of laxitives.


Adama won't play ball with baltar, if he does win...he still loses. He can't force Adama to do anything he wants, especially since he doesn't trust him at all. He can just say "ok you can go have fun i'm going to take my two Battlestars and get the heck out of here with anyone else with any brains".

In short, he's going to pull a Killer Cain if he doesn't get his own way? Sorry, I don't see that playing out for two reasons - I'm sure Adama remembers the consequences the last time he ordered a de facto military coup against the President. A president, need I remind you, he had to build (and rebuild) a relationship of trust and respect with. Also, I think it goes against his character: He's old school military who really believes the chain of command is sacred, even if he doesn't respect the person he will respect the office. (And there was a throwaway line earlier in the season which showed he didn't think much of President Adar either.) And unlike Admiral Cain, he still believes that the lawful and legitimately elected President of the Twelve Colonies is also the CIC. He also made a deal with Roslin that there was to be a meaningful separation of powers between the President and the Military Command. Would he really throw that out the Leoben Conoy Memorial Cylon Exit because the guy he didn't make out with won?

OTOH, he did conspire with Roslin to assassinate his commanding officer so what the frack do I know? I guess Roslin isn't the only person who might be getting into some morally and ethically dirty waters as the election plays out...

THSEX1138
March 5th, 2006, 11:58 AM
I know but I'm all about glorifying physical violence against Cally. The "aww shucks" sweetness routine was getting old! Time for some sunshine and rainbows to get knocked outa her!

Let's not forget she pulled a "Jack Ruby" on Sharon Valerii and that takes balls. Cally is a tough girl.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/thsex1138/SharonValerii.jpg

I can't understand why Tyrol can't see that she has been his biggest supporter and give the girl some respect. His version of Sharon is dead (Maybe) and he has some who loves him, someone who would kill to get his attention and he still won't give her the time of day. For him to continue ignoring her like that just ain't right.

Craig Ranapia
March 5th, 2006, 12:21 PM
I can't understand why Tyrol can't see that she has been his biggest supporter and give the girl some respect. His version of Sharon is dead (Maybe) and he has some who loves him, someone who would kill to get his attention and he still won't give her the time of day. For him to continue ignoring her like that just ain't right.

What the... Nothing says I love you like killing the ex? Now I know the final twist - Kobol wasn't settled by human beings at all but flat-head Klingons! :P Galen, haven't you learned by now that workplace relationships always end in tears - and lots of blood.

dec55
March 5th, 2006, 12:40 PM
Let's not forget she pulled a "Jack Ruby" on Sharon Valerii and that takes balls. Cally is a tough girl.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e147/thsex1138/SharonValerii.jpg


:lol
I dunno how tough was it for Cally to shoot at a slim little waif like Sharon, handcuffed, and guarded by huge armed Marines..with a hostile croud THAT was yelling at her. I'd say Sharon was a easy target..;) I also felt poor Sharon was at least a easier target than the Armed Cylons on Kobol that Cally refused to kill which got poor Crashdown killed by Baltar instead.

I did feel sorry for Cally when she was beatened though.....but then all I could think about how the Chief looked at Cally when she shot Sharon in front of him. I just wondered if the two events were connected in some way.... But after seeing the episode, I wouldn't think so.

It will be interesting when Galactica Sharon comes onboard, if she and Cally will interact again.

THSEX1138
March 5th, 2006, 12:45 PM
OTOH, can you see why Tyrol may have come to the conclusion that workplace relationships don't really work for him. And I don't know about you, but if I was trying to get someone's attention I'd try dinner and dancing and only murder their ex if it was my only way of getting a second date. :P
I agree workplace relationships can be bad but with only 49,579 people (god's know how many are women:eek:) left in the universe he has a duty to do his part and help raise the numbers on the board. If she killed a Cylon in order to get a shot at the title he should grant her her wish.

ShadowMaat
March 5th, 2006, 12:49 PM
I think Tyrol would view it as sleeping with his little sister. I like the idea of Tyrol/Cally, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

re: "poor Crashdown", the dude was totally off his rocker. He deserved what he got. :P

dec55
March 5th, 2006, 01:04 PM
I think Tyrol would view it as sleeping with his little sister. I like the idea of Tyrol/Cally, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

re: "poor Crashdown", the dude was totally off his rocker. He deserved what he got. :P

Crashdown was in charge and had to think fast in attacking the missile system that the Cylons were building to shoot down the rescue party. Cally's job was to draw
fire for a diversion. Time was ticking and Crashdown didn't have luxury to do nothing. Personally he really needed Cally to help with the diversion...she refused, endangering everyone out of petrified fear.

But I agree, it would have not been safe to shoot Cally in the field... it would have given their position. Crashdown didn't want to shoot Cally...he just didn't see any choice with the dire position they were in..and the rescue party would have been. I don't know the Colonial protocol of soldiers refusing to
follow orders in battle... But apparently Crashdown saw his options falling
apart with Cally's behavior.

THSEX1138
March 5th, 2006, 01:15 PM
What the... Nothing says I love you like killing the ex? Now I know the final twist - Kobol wasn't settled by human beings at all but flat-head Klingons! :P Galen, haven't you learned by now that workplace relationships always end in tears - and lots of blood.


"TLINGON MAHH!" (http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/ikavnemesis/learnk.html)

wontgetfooledagain
March 5th, 2006, 02:05 PM
I predict Baltar takes the election...until at the last moment there is a recount on the S.S. Florida.

Cesc
March 5th, 2006, 03:07 PM
Good episode, some of the music in the first ten minutes was fantastic, and once the intro kicked i knew this episode was going to purely be a build up to next week.

The scene where the raptors jumped onto Caprica was beautiful, shame about the one that went right into a mountain though, must've hurt, and i really do hope Baltar wins the election, would make a good change, even though it might be for the worse, the episode flew by very quickly, should be intersting to see whats in store for us next week.

the fifth man
March 5th, 2006, 07:39 PM
Definitely a good episode. I can't wait for the second part of it this Friday. I can't believe how much seems to be going on. This whole election thing is going to get very interesting.

Darth_Bicyclist
March 5th, 2006, 11:20 PM
Well we didn't see any official results, but I did see Baltar giving an "official order" to Adama. I don't think he'd do that unless he was elected president. Or attempting mutiny, in which case Adama would wring his neck and Roslin would show him to the nearest airlock... :D

But hey, it could all be a tease. TPTB likes to shake things up.


It's spoiled outright at scifi.com (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/):


LAY DOWN YOUR BURDENS, Part 2
90 MINUTE SEASON FINALE:

When Baltar wins the vote, Roslin considers stealing the election because she believes he is a Cylon collaborator.

apollo's lady
March 6th, 2006, 03:27 AM
Hello... I agree that this half was simply a build up, so I will be forced to be patient... (not something I do easily.)

I must note one of my favorite nods though... When Kara goes to see Lee in his quarters, we see Lee, uniform open and eating noodles... Harkens back to the opening of the mini... Like father like son?

I believe some are expecting too much of Lee too soon. I doubt Adama was perfect from the get go.

Blue Banrigh
March 6th, 2006, 07:20 AM
He seems to be doing well enough though.

Was there any reason given for why Roslin and Adama gave into Kara after holding out for so long?

Lady Snow
March 6th, 2006, 08:07 AM
No explicit reason, actually.

Perhaps they waited until things settled down - Pegasus popped up fairly quickly after Kara got back, and in the time between "Home" and "Pegasus," they had to deal with significant amounts of low morale.

Who knows? Maybe Starbuck finally said "Please."

Steve_the_Wraith
March 6th, 2006, 09:57 AM
I know but I'm all about glorifying physical violence against Cally. The "aww shucks" sweetness routine was getting old! Time for some sunshine and rainbows to get knocked outa her!
But Remember Cally is like candy

candy filled with razor baldes - she's a nut case

apollo123
March 6th, 2006, 11:59 AM
This was a good episode, but not great. It was good that they did a fantastic job of building things up for the season finale - the mood of "something dark is coming" was done very effectively throughout the episode. However, what kept it from being great was that it was pretty much *all* buildup and nothing too substantial happens. It just didn't feel like a complete episode.

There were some great moments in this one though:

- Roslin telling Baltar to go "frack himself" was classic. Go Roslin!

- Dean Stockwell was hilarious "I didn't see you at the Cylon meetings" LOL!

- Loved all the Adama/Roslin moments. I just think they are building up their relationship very well.

- Tyrol beating Cally was just freaky and disturbing, which made it all the more brilliant. I always loved Tyrol and I like they are fleshing out his character. I just hope he's not a Cylon!

I can't wait until the season finale. Everything I've read about it (non-spoilers) sounds like it will be incredible . I'm just dreading the final moments of the episode when I'll be like HOLY FRACK! 5 LONG MONTHS!

THSEX1138
March 6th, 2006, 12:24 PM
Kara and Anders reunion was surprisingly sweet. He makes her happy.
I agree and did you notice right before the bombs started falling on Caprica the funny vibe the Red Head with Anders passed on to Kara? While Kara and Anders were locked in embrace I felt she sarcastically said "People this is nice but we have toasters on our ass." I know they were getting chased by the Cylons but the way she said made me feel like she wanted Kara's hands off of her man. I'm a firm believer that adversity can bring two people together and they've been through a lot together since Kara left Caprica. Kara will have some issues with this woman and you can't blame Anders for not wanting to spending long cold nights alone on Caprica. Did anyone else besides me sense that?

les fleurs
March 6th, 2006, 02:17 PM
I however was disturbed by his " I've never seen you at any of the Meetings" comment. It's the same thing Six told Baltar about Doral in the Mini. It's one of those catch phrases that immediately raised my eyebrow..Hmmmm? Note to deck all deck hands "DON'T WAKE THE CHIEF!"

thank you for noticing it as well, i thinl the priest is a Cylon, that line just sounds too much like what Six said to Baltar when he asked her if Daro was a Cylon, way back in the miniseries.

ShadowMaat
March 6th, 2006, 03:47 PM
So does that mean that the cylons have one sense of humor downloaded to all of them? ;)

THSEX1138
March 6th, 2006, 04:04 PM
They keep bringing it up. I think they're honestly telling the truth.

AutumnDream
March 6th, 2006, 05:04 PM
I think Tyrol would view it as sleeping with his little sister. I like the idea of Tyrol/Cally, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

re: "poor Crashdown", the dude was totally off his rocker. He deserved what he got. :P

Every time you post, you become more awesome. XD

MadScorpion
March 6th, 2006, 09:23 PM
The intro did feel longer. It didn't feel like the typical Galactica intros that we're used to. It made me feel as if the whole show was shifting in some chaotic, uncharted territory. Season 3 is going to be intense.

BraveSlice
March 7th, 2006, 03:30 AM
It was great Cheaf beated Cally – even though wrong reasons – after all she did kill his love. Chef forgave to Cally in same episode than she killed Boomer, unforgivable stupidity from writers.

Pretty good episode (anyhow not in par with 3 earlier)– it came to my mind though that they will need to hire a military advisor. No one would make that kind of military rescue operation. We are not kids anymore, you know ;)

Maj.Tahn
March 8th, 2006, 09:44 PM
The Chief looked frakkin awesome with the beard.
Cally took five or six really good licks from the Chief.
However, I don't condone violence on any females.
Looking forward to the season finale Friday night.:)

badblu
March 9th, 2006, 08:52 PM
this episode had some greatness to it but all the presidential stuff was a bit boring. I would have preferred more caprica stuff than the election my rating 3/5.

THSEX1138
March 10th, 2006, 06:52 AM
It's Friday a we have 11 hours and 7 minutes on the countdown for the season finale. I'm so frakking excited!!

KSTreadhead
March 10th, 2006, 12:54 PM
Wish I had caught this one, had to do the WW-2 reenactment thing with my reenactment group last weekend. Hard to watch Baltar and Roselin go at it while I am getting ready for a big tactical reenactment. Oh well, got to fire my Garand a lot. Guess that will have to make up for missing this episode until I can view it on my sister's DVR from her sattelite service. Can't wait for tonight's episode though. Hope Kara gets everyone back to the Fleet, but it will likely be next season before we see her finish this mission.

chris777
March 10th, 2006, 07:24 PM
my guess based on what they seem to be doing

galactica destroyed pegasus renamed

ShadowMaat
March 10th, 2006, 07:42 PM
galactica destroyed pegasus renamed
You don't re-name ships. It's incredibly bad luck. That's an old, old superstition, but I think it's one the Colonies are likely to share.

Matt G
May 11th, 2006, 01:22 PM
Hmmm...

1. Chief and Father Stockwell - good laugh.

2. Must be very interesting for Adama, as of the mini-series 'he' didn't believe in Earth and now his main ally is getting battered over said quest.

3. Good to see Boomer still willing to help out the Colonials.

Overall - good quality ep - and I've got a feeling next week is going to be the biggest BSG ep so far!

LHB
December 27th, 2006, 09:30 PM
I honestly dont mind Anders/Kara that much

while IMO Anders doesnt have as much chemestry with Kara as Lee

he still has ALOT more chemistry with her than Dee has with Lee :X

I think Anders & Starbuck have great chemistry, especially in Lay Down Your Burdens Part 2. When I was rewatching the part 2 episode that particularly struck me--especially the drunk scene w/ Starbuck and Anders on the ships when Lee walks in. There was ridiculous chemistry between Anders & Starbuck.

MB.Eddie
January 12th, 2007, 11:46 PM
Wow, Starbuck got her wish to send a rescue mission afterall. Glad they didnt send in the Galactica or Pegasus. The Fleet of Raptors was a good idea.

Chief and his dreams is quite interesting.

Finding the planet was quite fortunate. Hope they dont settle there, as staying in one place would be dangerous. This news may sway the election Baltars way but.

Ishay
May 3rd, 2009, 12:14 PM
best opening to a ep since pegasus the music and switching between the characters was great. poor cally

Professor_S
June 16th, 2011, 05:02 PM
Loved the opening tease. The juxtaposition of the seriousness of the briefing with (adorable!!) levity of the Roslin/Adama interaction, and the ultimately heartbreaking Cally/Tyrol scene.

Oh the amount of foreshadowing in this episode... It’s almost unbearable, lol.

This episode is so well woven together. There is SO much going on and it all keeps you at the edge of your seat as you jump from one storyline to the next. The tension stays ramped up throughout - even when we are following an ostensibly slower storyline like Tyrol’s. The energy just never quits.

A nod has to out to Dean Stockwell - what a great actor. :)

I always love when BSG does politics, and they do it so well! “People vote their hopes, not their fears” - this isn’t always true, but in dyer situations I think it is. Baltar was offering a beacon while Roslin was offering a stark truth. Easy for me to sit on my couch and see that Roslin’s right; imagine how seductive settlement must be after living on the razor’s edge, in buckets, for months. Baltar’s rhetoric was incredibly persuasive.

:D:D “Why don’t you go frak yourself.” :lol: Something delicious about hearing that come out of Roslin’s mouth.

Again, I can’t even imagine having to wait a week for the next part! Holy frak!!