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January 2nd, 2006, 07:24 PM
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A tour of an off-world research base for a group of foreign diplomats turns dangerous when an insidious insect species gets loose.

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Gaterholic
February 17th, 2006, 06:22 PM
Filleriffic!

spg_1983
February 17th, 2006, 06:27 PM
All around a great episode, the only negative point was the tie in to the Ori, any Ori stuff instantly ruins an episode because it is so incredibly inconsistent and stupid. So the Priors can generate a plague from their staff that can infect numerous people simultaneously, as well as genrate a magic cure if they want, but if someone else comes up with a cure, they can't make up a new virus? They have to resort to man eating bugs? Come on! How lame can you get!

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
February 17th, 2006, 06:31 PM
I thought it was a very good episode, extremely solid performances by BB and the guest stars. Loved the French guy, he was great.
Overall: ***

Solanalos
February 17th, 2006, 06:33 PM
My first thoughts:

-Not a particularly thrilling episode

-Weak opening teaser, but it was nice to hear some foreshadowing about Priors supposedly kicking their preaching up a notch.

-I didn't know we had a Gamma site. I wonder if there is a Delta site and others?

-The Mitchell/Teal'c conversation about Teal'c's apartment was a nice touch. I like the tiny modular episode to modular episode connections (Not as awesome as when Jonas asked Teal'c when he learned to drive though :p)

-Interesting dialogue between DJ and the Chinese representative. She seemed rather serious about China perhaps making an offer to Daniel in the future. I wonder if there's anything more going on there. Maybe a discussion point for a possible future episode? Given the gates we have from ep 9x16, I wonder if control of an Earth Stargate could go on country-rotation (i.e. several countries get a Gate, but only one remains active each year or so)

-That lab looks familiar. Is it the same set that was on the moon with the flying energy bugs? Is the Gamma site actually the moon too (assuming they moved the Gate)?

-So are the bugs Prior-made, or not? If they are, it definitely calls to mind a religious calling-of-locusts type of plague.

-I'm not sure what to make of the whole "SG-1 has movie nights" thing. Are we to think they've always done this but just haven't really mentioned it? Or is it supposed to be an 'easy' way to quickly show the team is bonding instead of just letting it happen slowly by the episodes?

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
February 17th, 2006, 06:36 PM
I didn't really like this episode. I give it a *.

the dancer of spaz
February 17th, 2006, 06:38 PM
It was an OK ep. I had low expectations, but it did alright. There were a nice coupla moments between Teal'c and Cameron, Sam and Woolsey, Daniel and the arrogant and accomplished woman (who had a bit of a crush on him :P ), and the team together. There seemed to be a lot of sitting/standing around for Daniel/Sam towards the end, but I guess it's OK.

I'm kinda wondering how upset we were supposed to be about the Gamma Site being blown to bits. Like, I know there were quite a few people who died in this ep because of the bugs and the explosion, but they'd only JUST introduced us to this other site, JUST introduced us to the biological weapon (that was meant to destroy the bugs AND the people on the planet), JUST introduced us to these people from the IOA. So, in that respect, it felt kinda rushed in an awkward way. Same goes for the research center. It had such a "Prodigy" feel to it, which blows.

The Chinese representative seemed to have her sights on Daniel's expertise (and perhaps something more?), and she was pretty serious about China somehow getting the Gate. Now, this has always been an interesting topic that TPTB have toed the line with from time to time, in regards to the US military dominating all tech and discovery involved in with the Stargate Program, despite their past promises to the other nations. Politics aside, it's a nice touch. It opens the door for some issues to come up with the Stargate in the future.

Both sides have a point: The SGC has saved Earth's butts countless times, and all they get are complaints; yet these other nations deserve to know what's going on from a tech exploration/military standpoint. And if the Chinese representative had anything to say about it, that may happen sooner than later. Great! I just hope they don't turn it into a China/Russia vs. US thing, because that might not go over so well... :S

And when I said there was a nice moment between Sam and Woolsey, I mean totally unexpected in its coolness. By that time, I was kinda like, "OK, they HAD mentioned F-302s earlier, so why isn't Sam going with them?" And then I remembered that they kinda try to pretend like Sam doesn't know how to fly those. OK, another thing I have to live with. Great. And then they had this nice back-and-forth moment between Woolsey and Carter, which made up for it.

I was surprised by the movie night business (Old School?! pshaw). And it seemed like they'd done that more than once. Not to harp, but we NEVER got those kinds of teamy outings in canon for eight years, and all of a sudden, it's like old hat to them? O-K... They're all buddies. That's cool. :o At any rate, they seemed to gel a lot better this episode than they have in past eps (lame babysitting joke aside).

I don't normally rate these things, but I'd give it a 6. :) Maybe upon second viewing, I'll feel differently.

EDIT: Oh yeah! And that brief exchange at the beginning of the ep between Daniel, the representative, and then Cameron was pretty funny. Their expressions were priceless! :D

Dani347
February 17th, 2006, 06:39 PM
-So are the bugs Prior-made, or not? If they are, it definitely calls to mind a religious calling-of-locusts type of plague.



That was my thought, and I have to say I hate it. Everytime the Ori are mentioned, or the Ori do something, or someone makes reference to something the Ori have said, I have to wonder exactly why tptb are so pissed off at religion.

Bugs crawling out of someone's mouth is one of the most disgusting things ever. Bugs crawling under someone's skin is another one. The only good thing about the bugs is that when they ate the people they didn't leave anything. I don't think I would be able to take a shot of half eaten corpses.

Anyone able to translate what Daniel and Shen (?) were saying in the gateroom?

Well, at least they made SG1 have to work to get beamed out.

yowo
February 17th, 2006, 06:40 PM
:jack: :sam: :daniel: :tealc:

I don’t know about every one else because my opinion is usually different than the general Stargate fan, even though I am a big fan. But I loved this episode. This episode was closer to the old Stargate that I remember and miss so much. I watched with joy and really enjoyed it.
Amanda was wonderful as usual, she makes Stargate worth watching.
Michael did a fantastic job.
Christopher was great as usual.
This story was exciting and kept me on the edge of my seat.

AGateFan
February 17th, 2006, 06:41 PM
Oooo look Mitchy’s special he gets a BFG.
OFCOL can’t Teal’c wear a shirt anymore.
The entire season has been baby sitting duty for the Big 3.

Hey mary sue speaks Chinese now too? Cool hes so super duper.
So not just bugs, prior bugs.

Bad acting by the scientist extras, but they are only redshirts after all.
Gee, I bet they like meat. Hmm how bout that.
Bet he’s incubating some bugs… yep. Well at least we know why they don’t evacuate through the stargate.

Hey Woolsey just saved SG-1…. Will he get a medal for this?
Wow a decent idea and no jokes.
Oh, so the guns don’t have to kill the bugs, just scare them.

Hey, Dr Lee!!!!!
Odyssey to save the day. Beam em up before dropping the Toxin. Common Lee, not that complicated.
I can’t wait for Atlantis, I hope that ep is good.

Doh, got distracted… what happened..

Yay, split up into the nice bug infested forest to look for a guy that mysteriously wandered off … into a nice bug infested forest.
Hey, another good idea, he must have seen Jurassic park

So the Nuke that takes out the base is kinda weak. Good to know Colorado is safe, Earth maybenotsomuch.

Isn’t the self destruct designed for these specific situations? Maybe someone should explain it to the International specialist people.

Hmm Carter seems a bit cranky. Gee Woolsey, what do you think she ‘wants’ you die?
Nice stroll, no reason to hurry. Good plan Teal’c/

Well no wonder Carters cranky, she’s the only one who truly comprehends how scrwd they are (thanks Mckay) HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH….who gets points for calling the “personal transmitter plot device”?

I can’t wait for Atlantis. I hope that ep is good.
The French guy is annoying. Yay Woolsey. Yay pointless technobabble.
Why didn’t you use the C4 before?
What he say? Baubuauau ba?

Ok, nice explosions.. kinda cool Beam away… last second.. what a surprise
IOA likes Stargate Command…. Hmm something fishy is going on here.
Do we really think next week will cost us not one but two team members?

OK ep, kinda slow, kinda predictable but lots of pretty explosions and lots of shooting and I still like Woolsey.

Seshat
February 17th, 2006, 06:44 PM
Okay, so it was a wacky combo of "Tremors" and "The Mummy", but overall I enjoyed it, mostly for AT's wonderful performance. Her scenes with Robert Picardo in the cave were worth the price of admission alone. :D Knew immediately how they would escape, the beaming technology is boring and overused. Not cool anymore like it used to be. :( The "movie night" lines seemed just a bit forced, but this was the first time I felt like all the actors were on the same page. That was nice. :)

I am giving all the credit for this ep to the director Ken Girotti, who has also directed a few eps of "24". And it showed in his careful eye and camera moves. :D All I can say to TPTB is HIRE HIM AGAIN!!! PLEASE!!!

LaCroix
February 17th, 2006, 06:53 PM
An ok episode. I too loved AT's scenes with Woolsey. I agree with Sehsat of
a Mummy, Tremors, but it also had a Alien sutext with the bugs coming out of the chest.



Also loved seeing Tamlyn Tomita, who played Laurel Takashima in the B5 pilot
The Gathering.

Way too many booms in this one-- namely c-4.

nccjones
February 17th, 2006, 06:54 PM
It was ok...not the best of the season by far. I felt Mitchell was still an *** in this one. I thought Daniel was going to hit him when he said "I'm always right". It's that attitude I don't like.

The show had some redeeming qualities though. Woolsey for one. The story line, though rehashed was not bad.

I could care less they have movie night together though.

Daniel's_twin
February 17th, 2006, 07:00 PM
This was actually a pretty cool episode. I think that they coulda built up the whole bug thing a little bit more before they rushed into them being that much of a threat, but otherwise I liked it. I like how they continue to develop Woolsey's character, from trying to get Carter to say some reassuring words to ending up having to tell that LaPierre fella to shut the heck up.

The bug sequences were well-done and creepy. The part where the bugs swarm over that one dude and leave nothing but an empty uniform was positively scary. Hope they come up with a way to combat those buggers soon.

Overall, another teriffic episode. However, this is also the first episode from this half of the season that I think deserves only 4 1/2 out of five stars. The bits with Teal'c saying he likes Old School? I don't think so. :cool:

alaskannut
February 17th, 2006, 07:06 PM
What!? Heyyyy! I liked Old School!;)

binkpmmc
February 17th, 2006, 07:07 PM
I think what is taking a lot away from the show for me is that so much of it seems forced between the characters and out of place, the opening teaser (which was not just forced but lame), the Teal'c/Mitchell scene, the end re: movie night - puhleeze, . . . . oh forget it it's not worth my time.

prion
February 17th, 2006, 07:15 PM
-Not a particularly thrilling episode

Yup.

-Weak opening teaser, but it was nice to hear some foreshadowing about Priors supposedly kicking their preaching up a notch.

Darn. I can't remember it!


-The Mitchell/Teal'c conversation about Teal'c's apartment was a nice touch. I like the tiny modular episode to modular episode connections (Not as awesome as when Jonas asked Teal'c when he learned to drive though :p)

Shows that at least Mitchell has read everything, but liked how Teal'c is like no, it didn't work out, etc. :)


-Interesting dialogue between DJ and the Chinese representative. She seemed rather serious about China perhaps making an offer to Daniel in the future. I wonder if there's anything more going on there. Maybe a discussion point for a possible future episode? Given the gates we have from ep 9x16, I wonder if control of an Earth Stargate could go on country-rotation (i.e. several countries get a Gate, but only one remains active each year or so)

Be nice if they followed up on that.

-That lab looks familiar. Is it the same set that was on the moon with the flying energy bugs? Is the Gamma site actually the moon too (assuming they moved the Gate)?

Sorta the same plot in a way. I guess all the scientists and military folk got eaten and only SG1 and the annoying political types survived.

-So are the bugs Prior-made, or not? If they are, it definitely calls to mind a religious calling-of-locusts type of plague.

Hm, good analogy. Pestilence from the skies!

-I'm not sure what to make of the whole "SG-1 has movie nights" thing. Are we to think they've always done this but just haven't really mentioned it? Or is it supposed to be an 'easy' way to quickly show the team is bonding instead of just letting it happen slowly by the episodes?

Not sure. Is it every Friday night, once a month, what? Hard to tell.

I give it a "C" as it wasn't all that impressive. Had a lot more fun with the SGA episode afterwards, which had a tighter episode overall and wasn't a rehash of 'bugs eat everybody' movies on Scifi;) I mean, didn't we ALL know that that guard at the entrance to the cave was gonna die? And with an enemy that can strike so quickly, it would have made more sense to have TWo people there, but I digress. Plot device.

Mio
February 17th, 2006, 07:18 PM
A pretty good episode. I kept thinking 'The Mummy'.... I'm suprised that no one in the ep. mentioned how this might actually HELP the SGC's case with the international people, though. By proving how formidable the Ori's little creations are, you think they'd put more effort into defense.

Dani347
February 17th, 2006, 07:19 PM
When Teal'c and Mitchell were talking and Teal'c was saying he never doubted the Goa'uld would get defeated, I couldn't help remembering Avatar.

sacme
February 17th, 2006, 07:21 PM
Not a terrible retread of a tired plot, but why even bother. We're running on idea fumes here. It felt like one of Skiffy's original movies, which is sad. And I'm so done with Mitchell now-- he's just over doing it in every scene.

AGateFan
February 17th, 2006, 07:21 PM
When Teal'c and Mitchell were talking and Teal'c was saying he never doubted the Goa'uld would get defeated, I couldn't help remembering Avatar.
Well, he did clarify and said that he didnt know if they would win in his lifetime. And in Avatar I think it was the subcouncious beleif that 'he couldnt win without the team' that was getting him in trouble

Daniel's_twin
February 17th, 2006, 07:21 PM
A pretty good episode. I kept thinking 'The Mummy'.... I'm suprised that no one in the ep. mentioned how this might actually HELP the SGC's case with the international people, though. By proving how formidable the Ori's little creations are, you think they'd put more effort into defense.

At the moment, I think they were more concerned with the fact that the IOA could claim that it was the fault of the American scientists who had allowed the situation to become worse and claim that if this was the way the US Airforce dealt with things, then maybe they should re-think their policy of continuing funding. :cool:

Seshat
February 17th, 2006, 07:22 PM
I'm still a bit puzzled by the actions of the bugs. :confused: How can they be both repelled by the gunfire/movement and attracted to sound? Or did I miss something in the "Man-Eating-Bugs" orientation session in the beginning?

AGateFan
February 17th, 2006, 07:24 PM
I'm still a bit puzzled by the actions of the bugs. :confused: How can they be both repelled by the gunfire/movement and attracted to sound? Or did I miss something in the "Man-Eating-Bugs" orientation session in the beginning?
Shhhhh stop thinking.

Jumper One
February 17th, 2006, 07:24 PM
Did anyone else find it weird that the Research Center was a tent 10 miles away from the main site?

Daniel's_twin
February 17th, 2006, 07:25 PM
I'm still a bit puzzled by the actions of the bugs. :confused: How can they be both repelled by the gunfire/movement and attracted to sound? Or did I miss something in the "Man-Eating-Bugs" orientation session in the beginning?

The way I understood it, the gunfire was such an abrupt, disturbing sound that it effected the sound-sensitive areas of the bugs, but the frequency that was being generated was of such that it was actually enticing to the bugs, one that announced where their prey was, perhaps amplifying their echolocation in some way, while not disturbing their auditory canals, wherever they're located. :cool:

Seshat
February 17th, 2006, 07:26 PM
Did anyone else find it weird that the Research Center was a tent 10 miles away from the main site?
Well, if had been in a bunker next door the show would have only lasted 23 minutes instead of 43. And SG-1 would have been lunch. :P

Jumper One
February 17th, 2006, 07:31 PM
Well, if had been in a bunker next door the show would have only lasted 23 minutes instead of 43. And SG-1 would have been lunch. :P


Good point. :)

the dancer of spaz
February 17th, 2006, 07:32 PM
When Teal'c and Mitchell were talking and Teal'c was saying he never doubted the Goa'uld would get defeated, I couldn't help remembering Avatar.

Me, too! I was like, "Hey, Teal'c! You gotta a bit of memory loss there, or are you just playing Optimist today?" :p

Oh well.. It's not exactly the first time TPTB have rewritten and/or forgotten their own history and canon. ;)

Uber
February 17th, 2006, 07:59 PM
When Teal'c and Mitchell were talking and Teal'c was saying he never doubted the Goa'uld would get defeated, I couldn't help remembering Avatar.Wow...me too.

-Major Woody
February 17th, 2006, 08:07 PM
Worst episode ever.

Bobthespirit
February 17th, 2006, 08:19 PM
Umm...conservation of mass anyone?

I mean, I know you have to be pretty forgiving about scientific inaccuracies as a fan of Stargate. But usually they at least come up with a line or two of technobabble to explain things like this away. How do they create that many bugs on only a small bit of meatloaf? Just..no.

This episode came off like a B-horror flick. Heck, this came off like a scifi channel original movie with slightly better acting and much bigger budget.

[comic book guy]Worst...episode..ever.[/comic book guy]

buckner
February 17th, 2006, 08:23 PM
I think this is my least favorite stargate ep i have seen in years :/

Ace
February 17th, 2006, 08:23 PM
Did anybody catch the Starship Troopers reference? Especially with Michael Ironside guest starring in only 2 episodes? I wonder if the writers knew that he would be guest starring when they wrote it.

Ace

P.S. I love Michael Ironside... great actor. He made Starship Troopers worth seeing several times

Uber
February 17th, 2006, 08:24 PM
I can't rate it for the "worst episode ever" slot. That honor (so to speak) belongs to The Ties that Bind.

I liked some aspects and hated others...fairly typical of my Season 9 sentiments overall and this is the first season I can remember where this is the norm rather than the exception.

I'm still thinking out my feelings on this episode and may come back to post my thoughts if I feel compelled to do so. (I know, you're all giddy in anticipation)

;)

JUNIOR
February 17th, 2006, 08:26 PM
Judging by the lack of complaints on this thread I'd say this episode was a good one over all with the GW forum viewers.

tony
February 17th, 2006, 08:27 PM
I have to say it wasnt all that bad... I think it was kind of boring and almost seemed like they where saving money by just showing SG-1 shooting the ground for most of the episode.... maybe beacuse they saving for the big space battle the last episode will bring :)



Another thing... What was the chinese thing all about that chick seemed extreamly confident that China was going to have control of the gate... i didnt get that really.

Dani347
February 17th, 2006, 08:33 PM
Another thing... What was the chinese thing all about that chick seemed extreamly confident that China was going to have control of the gate... i didnt get that really.

1. This is going nowhere, so why bother elaborating.

Or

2. This is leading up to something, and they're not divulging exactly what so that it can be slowly brought up later.

kelmah
February 17th, 2006, 08:35 PM
Anyone wanna take a crack at translating the conversation between Daniel and the Chinese representative? I'm no expert (really), all I know is that what Mitchell says at the end is "screw you" (or somesuch).

I love it when Danny shows off. It's good to be reminded occasionally that he was a LINGUIST before he turned into a hard-a$$ soldier.

the fifth man
February 17th, 2006, 08:35 PM
Such hostility toward this ep.:( Very discouraging. Personally, I really enjoyed this one. Yeah, the plot wasn't too original. But come on, what really is nowadays. I think it was handled well. To me, it felt a little like some of the past SG-1 eps. I really like how the team has come together. The talk between Mitchell and Teal'c was nice to see as well. Really though, I loved the ending. They were going to have movie night. Nice to know they all still get together just like when O'Neill was a part of the team. Overall, I'd give it a three out of four stars.:)

the fifth man
February 17th, 2006, 08:37 PM
Anyone wanna take a crack at translating the conversation between Daniel and the Chinese representative? I'm no expert (really), all I know is that what Mitchell says at the end is "screw you" (or somesuch).

I love it when Danny shows off. It's good to be reminded occasionally that he was a LINGUIST before he turned into a hard-a$$ soldier.

I thought it was awesome that Cam knew what the two of them were saying. It was like "Ha, bet you didn't know I knew how to speak Chinese." I was LMAO on that one.:D

Ace
February 17th, 2006, 08:43 PM
Something else I thought off... I thought that nobody could beam anything off that planet. That's one of the reasons they chose the planet as a research base, so the planet's stargate couldn't get stolen. Something to do with the ionized atmosphere?!? Right...

Did I miss something?

Ace

star47
February 17th, 2006, 08:58 PM
This is a "rough" translation: She asks Daniel how the new colonel is doing, and he says that they haven't thrown him out yet.

That's as literal a translation as I'm able to come up with.

the fifth man
February 17th, 2006, 09:02 PM
This is a "rough" translation: She asks Daniel how the new colonel is doing, and he says that they haven't thrown him out yet.

That's as literal a translation as I'm able to come up with.

Well if that's correct, thank you for the translation.:)

siXbrownSnakes2
February 17th, 2006, 09:03 PM
After they mentioned the Odyssey, I switched the channel.

Stargate has become so pathetically predictable.

I didn't have high hopes for this episode anyways.

Peoples_General
February 17th, 2006, 09:04 PM
I like the episode. Sure it was a little bit of a rip on The Mummy but thats something that I always found good about StarGate. A bit of Tremors as well since those bugs can detect sound and combine that with the Aliens theme of growing offspring inside the body. Though it also covered in Bane.

Anyhow, I liked Woosley's development. Finally experiencing what Gate travel is like educated him to be more appreciative and respectful of that the whole StarGate teams are about and what they do.

I liked the involvement of the Chinese here. I somehow doubt they'll threaten the US and turn this into some stupid Cold War 2 scenario. What I do believe will happen is that they might prove their ability to send spies and steal technology either directly from the SGC, or have dealings with the Trust or maybe even Baal.

They want to get into space and no doubt wish to have the honor of defending Earth as well, thats the feeling I was getting from ambassador Chen. Not only that its for economic, scientific, and military purposes as well. They might want to set up colonies. But I get a feeling that somewhere along the series we might see their own BC-303s if USA give them tech. Or.... they might develop their own ships through stolen tech as well as aid from the Trust and/or Baal.

HirogenGater
February 17th, 2006, 09:05 PM
A pretty good episode. I kept thinking 'The Mummy'.... I'm suprised that no one in the ep. mentioned how this might actually HELP the SGC's case with the international people, though. By proving how formidable the Ori's little creations are, you think they'd put more effort into defense.

You're right! I forgot about those bugs from "The Mummy."

alaskannut
February 17th, 2006, 09:08 PM
Worst episode ever.
Uhmmm...Gemini?;)

the fifth man
February 17th, 2006, 09:13 PM
Anyhow, I liked Woosley's development. Finally experiencing what Gate travel is like educated him to be more appreciative and respectful of that the whole StarGate teams are about and what they do.

I liked the involvement of the Chinese here. I somehow doubt they'll threaten the US and turn this into some stupid Cold War 2 scenario. What I do believe will happen is that they might prove their ability to send spies and steal technology either directly from the SGC, or have dealings with the Trust or maybe even Baal.

I too liked Woolsey's development by the end of this ep. Truthfully though, after his mess-up in "Prototype", I would have though he would have already been less of an a**. Oh well, it just takes some people longer than others.

As for the Chinese government, I too wonder if tptb will explore this any further. Your idea about spies and stealing technology would be interesting to see. I guess we'll just have to stay tuned.:)

Red Tigress
February 17th, 2006, 09:14 PM
I thought this was a decent episode. Reminded me of something out of the X-Files, though. I did enjoy the chat between Mitchell and Teal'c about finding the apartment.:cameron:

PugGate
February 17th, 2006, 09:20 PM
**** arrogant French (It's not that I have anything against the French, it's just that they've had how many revolutions? Eight? It gets old hearing about the French after a while.)

majorsal
February 17th, 2006, 09:21 PM
pretty good ep. ;)

i have to say i have a HUGE, HONKIN prob with bugs. like, i kept squirming through most of the ep and watching some scenes between my fingers. :p


cons -

bugs.

why did sg1 decide to run to the huts that had the radio? they were doing really well, so why run now when it obviously attracts the bugs? (mitchell's idea too)

whiny IOA members. :p

too easy a save at the end, being beamed up on the odyssey.



pros -

whiny IOA members. (they're fun :p)

woolsey turning himself around and being cool.

mitchell was under control in this ep. a definite plus. (and speaking of mitchell... is he schizophrenic? really. in one ep, he's mr funny guy and wisecrack a minute. in the next, he's earnest and sincere. in last week's ep he shouldn't have even been on the team, let alone command it.) tonight's ep, he was fine.

i liked the chinese ambassador's interaction with daniel. (if it goes shippy, at least they're giving daniel a NICE and NORMAL person to be with)

nice team interaction, but... the movie night thing bothers me, because... i miss jack and don't want mitchell to be part of it. yes, i know, childish, but that's how i really feel. :o

saving the best for last - SAM! :D i loved her interactions with woolsey. she also came up with the solution and implemented it. (she's my hero ;) ).

this ep felt more old time stargatey, except that i just wish it were sam, daniel, and teal'c (the BIG3) as the main players in this show. (it's hard to let go of something that was not only magical, but something that i loved with for 8 years. but i'm trying)





sally :)

Strix varia
February 17th, 2006, 09:34 PM
Overall... yawn.

There were some parts I liked:

Mitchell seemed less hyper and more... mature and in control, perhaps. I wasn't hoping the bugs would eat him, at any rate. This is an improvement over some past eps.... I thought the scene between him and Teal'c went pretty well.

There were some great Sam scenes; I liked the interaction between her and Woolsey.

I liked the final scene when the four of them were standing side-by-side defending the research station.

Teal'c had some great lines.

I thought the Chinese rep was interesting; I hope we see her again, and they follow up on whatever nefarious plot the Chinese government might be hatching.

It was clear that they are at least trying to establish a team feel incorporating the new characters, and it didn't seem too OTT in this one, so I give them points for effort.

There were also some things that I didn't like:

The whole bug echo-location thing... um, seems to me the last place a creature that used echo-location as a defense mechanism would want to be is underground. Wouldn't their sounding mechanisms just bounce right back at them? Gee, there's something solid all around me! What is it going to not bounce off of to give a contrast? Does sound travel really well through dirt? The whole thing seemed more than a little flakey to me after the bugs went underground. I could believe it better if they were sensitive to vibration, but I don't think echo-location is the same thing, is it? Perhaps someone with a better understanding of how echo-location works can explain in detail why this made sense.

All those bugs formed from a single bite of meatloaf? Don't most things have to eat/drink/convert energy somehow in order to grow/multiply? Seemed more like magic to me than something plausible. Plus the effects were stolen from the Mummy movie... Cool, but nothing I haven't seen before, and better done.

I don't know, if I had something crawling around under my skin, I would be screaming in pain in horror rather than trying to scratch it like it was some pesky mosquito.

Weren't we just told that SG-1 have little locator beacons that the Odyssey could have searched for instead of life signs? Gosh, if the locator beacons were associated with life signs standing in a cave a ways away from all the other clusters of life signs, you'd think they might have considered the fact that SG-1 was still alive. But I guess the locator beacons are going to be like numerous other cheap plot devices that will come and go and be used or not used at the writers' whims.

Did they HAVE to make it the woman who fell down and hurt her ankle at the end in order to slow them down and increase the dramatic tension? How cliche' is that? Or was it supposed to be a bonding moment between her and Daniel? Well, it still made me roll my eyes.

Asgard beaming technology to the last-second rescue... AGAIN. C'mon, this is getting really boring and predictable.

majorsal
February 17th, 2006, 09:42 PM
I thought the Chinese rep was interesting; I hope we see her again, and they follow up on whatever nefarious plot the Chinese government might be hatching.




you know what came to mind? daniel's future.

the chinese rep was a nice woman, and she was genuinely pleased that daniel said he'd have joined her government stargate program if it had been offered to him from the start.

i didn't get any hinky vibes from her, more like being tired of the US's refusal to share tech and knowledge. but i felt her and daniel 'connected', which i find interesting IF this is daniel's future.




sally :)

DrMongol
February 17th, 2006, 10:04 PM
If you knew that Mitchell getting eaten by the bugs would guarantee Jack returning in his spot, would you wish that upon him? Something I just thought of, and sadly, yes I would wish it.

NotAscended
February 17th, 2006, 10:09 PM
you know what came to mind? daniel's future.

the chinese rep was a nice woman, and she was genuinely pleased that daniel said he'd have joined her government stargate program if it had been offered to him from the start.

i didn't get any hinky vibes from her, more like being tired of the US's refusal to share tech and knowledge. but i felt her and daniel 'connected', which i find interesting IF this is daniel's future.

sally :)

I'm not sure we should read too much into Daniel's interactions with the Chinese delegate. He's usually the member of SG-1 who gets along with the foreign delegates, because he's not military and, in a perfect world, would prefer the Stargate be used only for exploration and interacting with new cultures. It's also quite true that he would have gone through the Stargate no matter who had it, since he had staked his academic reputation on the idea that ancient Egypt documented an alien culture. I saw those conversations as getting back to the "old" Daniel, expressing his hopes for what the Stargate program could be, were it not for all the military threats that exist out there in the galaxy.

Also, great to see Woolsey coming around to a better appreciation of SG-1. It seems like a natural evolution of his character, since he seems to possess a strong sense of fairness, despite his political nature.

majorsal
February 17th, 2006, 10:10 PM
If you knew that Mitchell getting eaten by the bugs would guarantee Jack returning in his spot, would you wish that upon him? Something I just thought of, and sadly, yes I would wish it.

well, maybe just eat a foot. :p

BUT, sg1 can consist of just sam, daniel, and teal'c (the BIG3) now. jack can return for his honeymoon with sam :p




sally :)

binkpmmc
February 17th, 2006, 10:10 PM
If you knew that Mitchell getting eaten by the bugs would guarantee Jack returning in his spot, would you wish that upon him? Something I just thought of, and sadly, yes I would wish it.

Yup, me too, or Jonas or Colonel Reynolds, or anyone else for that matter but I would prefer just the BIG 3 at this point.

DrMongol
February 17th, 2006, 10:11 PM
well, maybe just eat a foot. :p

BUT, sg1 can consist of just sam, daniel, and teal'c (the BIG3) now. jack can return for his honeymoon with sam :p




sally :)
No, IF mitchell had gotten eaten, then Jack would have returned as the rightful leader of SG1. I'm just asking, not like it would have really happened though.

Dromag67
February 17th, 2006, 10:15 PM
The only thing I didn't like was the re-use of the cave from the episode Runner and Conversion in Atlantis.

It wasn't terrible yet it wasn't the best.

3 out of 5 stars.

All I can say is there are hell of a lot of caves at everyones disposal in the galaxies.

Red Tigress
February 17th, 2006, 10:22 PM
I just saw these bugs, and it served as a reminder for watching every horrible X-Files episode with bugs. Fortunetly for me, there weren't any pussing boils or bloody carcasses left behind, which is just one more reason I prefer Stargate to X-files as my SciFi show of choice.

In any case, I thought the best part of the epsidoe was the Starship Troopers reference at the end. Man, that movie freaks me out, lol.:cameron:

DrMongol
February 17th, 2006, 10:27 PM
In any case, I thought the best part of the epsidoe was the Starship Troopers reference at the end. Man, that movie freaks me out, lol.:cameron:
Yea, I liked that part as well, especially since Mitchell shuts Teal'c down on his "Old School" suggestion. It took me a second to get the joke, but then I was like OH SNAP.

betjam
February 17th, 2006, 10:39 PM
As soon as they all left the Research Center, I thought "that lady is going to trip in her high heels."

Loved when Woosley was running with his shirt hanging out.

I enjoyed watching this episode, but got tired of the guns. Did they all have to fire at once? Couldn't they conserve ammo? And I hope that was the last "beam them out at the last second" episode.

I was hoping at the end Daniel was going to say he couldn't make movie night (wink wink nod nod). I mean, he was smiling at her big time in the gate room.

markaudette
February 17th, 2006, 10:47 PM
I thought The Scourge was probably the mostterrible and forgettable hours of television the entire Stargate library.

However, I really did like the few short scenes where Mitchell tried to be a cut-up.

Otherwise, this epside is wholly forgettable.

The only high points in the episode for me were:

1. Seeing the Oddysee - a genuine Ancient war ship.

2. The two or three occasions Michell was allowed Ben's trademark comedic banter.

3. The short scene between Mitchell and Teal'c.

The bad:

A. The most blatant mad-lib episodes ever written. It seems as if the writers put a bunch of plot line elements into a bingo tumbler and rolled it until they randomly drew an entire episode worth of material.

B. There really was no reason to even film or air this episode.

c. They should have paid Amada Tapping scale for this episode. For all intents and purposes, outside of the scene with Woosley, she was an extra. She was practically background scenery.

D. What is going to come out of this episode? What are we going to have gained because of it?

Like I said, wholly forgettable. Even the acting was tepid.

Akai
February 17th, 2006, 11:12 PM
The Odyssey isn't an Ancient ship. It's a BC-304 (Daedalus) class, the successor to the Prometheus (303). It's fully human built, though it does have Asgard shields, transporters, and engines. You're thinking of the Orion, from Atlantis.

Auralis
February 17th, 2006, 11:49 PM
Well, i sure hope the explore the chinese angle more.
This was to me the most interesting part of the episode. the rest was just meh.
I wish they would expand on that further, without some lameass nuclear war scenario, but instead of building up a real relationship and getting together as one world.

Dani347
February 18th, 2006, 12:00 AM
Well, i sure hope the explore the chinese angle more.
This was to me the most interesting part of the episode. the rest was just meh.
I wish they would expand on that further, without some lameass nuclear war scenario, but instead of building up a real relationship and getting together as one world.

Yes! Yes! Get some super weapon, destroy all the Ori quickly, and let the enemy be ourselves (humans). Or, heck, an enemy that tickles you to death for all I care. Silently. Just no more Ori.

Although, I really hope there's no plans of shipping Daniel and the Chinese Ambassador. I have to admit there were some disturbing hints, but if she comes back, hopefully it won't develop that way.

AutumnDream
February 18th, 2006, 12:06 AM
I enjoyed it. All I expect from SG-1 these days is to have fun for an hour, and I did. Teal'c rules. :D

And, by the way, I should point out the episode where Teal'c and Jack showed up at Sam's house with pizza and Star Wars. Yes, they DO watch movies together. ^_^

Hatusu
February 18th, 2006, 12:15 AM
I am giving all the credit for this ep to the director Ken Girotti, who has also directed a few eps of "24". And it showed in his careful eye and camera moves. :D All I can say to TPTB is HIRE HIM AGAIN!!! PLEASE!!!
Ah, I noticed that this episode had a tight pacing, like earlier episodes and despite the "been there, done that" plot, it still had a sense of threat. Good job Mr. Girotti. :) I also really enjoyed Amanda Tapping's performance and as you said, all the actors were on the same page.

FerCryinOutLoud!
February 18th, 2006, 01:53 AM
This epsiode was pretty decent. I thought that Mitchel was toned down somewhat for the Mitchel haters out there. I like Mitchel, but i guess i might be in the minority.

I kept thinking... If the replicators could evolve into the next best thing outside of human form... they might be like the bugs in this episode. Kind of like Pinocio becoming a real boy. I guess machines can't evolve technically. Only technologically. Maybe. Anyway, bugs are a touchy subject for me in science fiction. Not because they creep me out, but because they're sort of overdone and cliche. The bugs were definitely stolen from the, "Mummy" film.

I hope they're going somewhere with the Chinese wanting the Stargate thing. It would be cool.

Is anyone else waiting to see what the Ori will be like militarily? I am. I'm starting to get tired of the obscure dibble and dabble of the Ori. I'm ready to see what they're made of in terms of armies and ships. When TPTB announced their idea for the Ori... I thought, wow they sound like a force to be reckoned with, but crazy corn and bugs is not what i had in mind. I guess the overwhelming armies is what they're building up to i think.

Agent_Dark
February 18th, 2006, 03:59 AM
Umm...conservation of mass anyone?

I mean, I know you have to be pretty forgiving about scientific inaccuracies as a fan of Stargate. But usually they at least come up with a line or two of technobabble to explain things like this away. How do they create that many bugs on only a small bit of meatloaf? Just..no.

This episode came off like a B-horror flick. Heck, this came off like a scifi channel original movie with slightly better acting and much bigger budget.

[comic book guy]Worst...episode..ever.[/comic book guy]
Maybe the bugs found the mess hall kitchens stockpile of meatloaf ;)

Agent_Dark
February 18th, 2006, 04:10 AM
The episode was ok overall. Highlights for me were Sam's scenes with Woolsey.

Are they even bothering to disguise their locations anymore? I recognised locations that looked almost exactly like ones from various episodes of Atlantis. I understand that they are limited in the locations they have available, but surely they could at least try to make them look different.

Also what was the point of going back for the 302's? :S So they would have been able to take off and cruise around - but then what? Mitchell mentioned that he'd ferry them somewhere far away, but that doesnt make sense. You can't operate a fighter of that size and weight from a grassy field. The Gamma site may of had alternate landing strips on the planet (that would make sense), but if they did surely that should have been mentioned? That whole 302 thing seemed poorley thought out and a weak way of getting Cam and Teal'c back to view the destruction of the actual site. Which, btw, didn't seemed to be that damaged. If the idea is to blow the site into small pieces so no-one can get anything useful from the wreckage - I think they need a bigger bomb...

shester
February 18th, 2006, 04:32 AM
I enjoyed this epi very much. I was entertained and had a fun watching it. I really liked Mitchell and Sam in this epi.
Sybil

Angel of Fire SG1
February 18th, 2006, 05:55 AM
Well I don't usually bother posting in the ep threads cos I find them totally negative - but I just wanted to say I really enjoyed this ep!!!

And while I'm at it, I quite like Mitchell's character, I find him different from any other character we seen on SG-1 and he's funny. But hey that just seems to be me...:cameron:

Sam was great talking to Woolsey LOL and the French guy was funny.

The bugs were sooo something outta the Mummy or X-Files...but they're forgiven cos I love the Mummy & X-Files ;)!!

Good ep, not great, but good!! I'd give it 7.5/10

Solanalos
February 18th, 2006, 05:58 AM
And, by the way, I should point out the episode where Teal'c and Jack showed up at Sam's house with pizza and Star Wars. Yes, they DO watch movies together. ^_^

There was no evidence that it was a regular occurence though. Sam was supposed to be taking time off. I think Jack was just trying to make sure she would actually kick back a little bit. "Have pizza......and fun."

And if you recall they didn't get to watch the movie. However perhaps Teal'c, Jack, and maybe Daniel did go to see a place where humans do battle in a ring of jello :p

Critter
February 18th, 2006, 06:20 AM
This episode, to me, was fair at its best. Sam seemed to be more "Sam" which I loved.

The bugs reminded too much of the replicators (I hate bugs when the crawl all over like that---EEEWWWW!).

I was sure that the dude with the glasses was going to turn out to be a bad guy...was waiting for it the whole episode!

Woolsey---I liked him in this one and especially that he finally found some respect for SG-1, thanks to Sam!!!

Yes, Teal'c, what's with the shirt?

And this won't surprise anyone that knows me---I really miss Jack. Even in this episode a bit of his wacky sense of humor would have gone a long way!

Ziu
February 18th, 2006, 06:24 AM
[QUOTE=Red Tigress]I just saw these bugs, and it served as a reminder for watching every horrible X-Files episode with bugs. Fortunetly for me, there weren't any pussing boils or bloody carcasses left behind, which is just one more reason I prefer Stargate to X-files as my SciFi show of choice.
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They had better and more believable bugs in "The Mummy"

Beal
February 18th, 2006, 06:52 AM
I won't go into what I thought of the episode, but does anyone else notice everytime they introduce a young low rank soldier they turn into redshirts? As soon as I saw the two guys leaving the base with SG-1 I was all "yep, they're totally going to die".

FoolishPleasure
February 18th, 2006, 06:56 AM
Mitchell wasn't goofy this week - he played a good officer, down to business, with a few fun "lines" here and there. Plus he speaks Chinese. ;) I like the character and feel he fits in now, and I like his interactions with Teal'c.

Sam and Woolsey - thumbs up for that. Will also be interesting to see if TPTB follow up with the Chinese angle for the Stargate.

"Starship Troopers" - best line of the night. Talk about a bug nightmare! *LOL*

I give it a B+. It dragged a bit at times, but it was fun overall. :)

ShardsofGlass
February 18th, 2006, 07:03 AM
I really enjoyed this ep. Mitchell was back to being his smart professional self but still retained the things I find charming about him. I thought the bugs were creepy and suspenseful. SOme of the best suspense came from the scenes where we don't see them, which is when bugs are probably the creepiest because they could be anywhere. The bug crawling inside the guy's neck was especially icky.

I think my favorite part of this ep was that all the characters got their moments and the moments were really good. Daniel with the Chinese scientist. Sam with Woolsey. Teal'c and Mitchell together. Mitchell arguing with Daniel and then Teal'c saying he wished he's taken the tour. LOL Teal'c gets some of the best lines. I also loved the way Mitchell could understand what was being said about him in Chinese. LOL

THe beam up ending didn't bother me because they'd sent out a signal so you knew they'd get picked up any moment. It was a little cheesy that it happened just as the bugs were about to touch them, but it was also exciting, so it didn't bug me too much.

Overall, a fun ep.

Jace021903
February 18th, 2006, 07:23 AM
Yay, I am happy to say that I really enjoyed this episode. :)

I am all about team episodes. Loved the team interaction. And I get a kick out of the Mitchell-Teal'c stuff. They have movie night. :)

Mitchell was back to his slighty goofy, but still likeable self. Whew.

Everyone had some nice bits to do--

Sam and Woolsey--you go, Girl. :sam:

Daniel and the Chinese rep--good stuff.

Teal'c was cool throughout. :tealc:

OK, so bug plots are a little cheesy, but with the other good stuff in the episode, I don't care. And the bugs gave me the creepy crawlies when they swarmed out of people--ewww.

I liked SGA tonight too, so I am a happy Stargate fan. :)

chocdoc
February 18th, 2006, 07:26 AM
This was an okay episode for me. Like others, some of the interactions really made the show. Sam (and Amanda Tapping) was fabulous with Woolsey (and I have always liked Richard Picardo--hope we see him again in season 10), and she was great at the end, having to tell everyone the reality of their situation. I also liked the interactions with Daniel and the Chinese embassador, and with Teal'c and Mitchell.

The actual episode was okay, but not great for me, simply because the storyline wasn't very compelling. I'd say a rewatch episode though. And the direction was very good.

cindyz
February 18th, 2006, 07:30 AM
I LIKED this episode! for the first time in the second half of this season I was entertained completely. I liked the use of the "Mummy" bugs...and Sam and Woosely's interactions were great! I like how Teal'c and Mitchell seem to be getting to know each other. And less Mitchell banter was better IMO. I saw the team come together, work together and find a solution...all while keeping their collective wits about them...and how else did we think they would be rescued? of course by the beaming tech. isn't that why we now have it? for these sticky situations? and Woosley...kudos to Robert Picardo for giving us a character we all love to hate. He has a good side about him...we need to see a bit more of that.

I am not the kind of fan who really gives a sh*t about the inconsistencies, plot holes, the reuse of sets and tech...I want to be entertained for an hour, not deliberate the "what ifs and why's" of each episode.

I give this episode an 8/10.

keshou
February 18th, 2006, 07:31 AM
I certainly wasn't expecting much but I really enjoyed this episode. :)

Thought the tension and pacing was good and everyone was in character and had something to do in the episode. And the team seemed really nervous about the bugs - as opposed to the rather blase attitude they've had way too often this year (usually while spouting weak one-liners).

I liked Sam in this episode a lot - being all sciency, working the problem and also being frank and tough with Woolsey. I've liked Sam a lot in the last half of the season, actually. Daniel was being very "Danielly" when he was talking to the Chinese dignitary and there were some interesting comments there about China's interest in the Stargate program. Probably not going anywhere but for a moment it seemed like some foreshadowing of things to come and I got caught up wondering about potential storylines there. Also a funny moment at the beginning when Mitchell surprised Daniel with his knowledge of Chinese.

Teal'c/Mitchell, Mitchell/Daniel....all these dynamics seemed more natural in this episode than in others I've seen this year. Teal'c and Mitchell are especially interesting and I enjoyed their chats.

Of course I'm personally very squicked out by bugs so maybe that's why I thought the episode was better than usual. Watching those bugs wiggle around under the skin makes my skin crawl. A little cheesy - sure - but they squick me out more than the Ori do.

Not the most original story - every scifi show has a "bad bugs" episode sooner or later. And the "beaming up just in time" at the end just made me roll my eyes after seeing the same type of rescue in last week's show.

BUT........I actually enjoyed the hour. And laughed at the Starship Troopers reference. And didn't cringe at Mitchell being too goofy and OTT. As Foolish Pleasure said - he was being a good officer this week. Had good ideas, played well with his teammates, etc. :)

Ancient 1
February 18th, 2006, 07:32 AM
This episode, to me, was fair at its best. Sam seemed to be more "Sam" which I loved. Always a good thing. ;)

The bugs reminded too much of the replicators (I hate bugs when the crawl all over like that---EEEWWWW!). Reminded me more of the scarab beetles in The Mummy, which made it a bit of a downer: Been there before. :o

I was sure that the dude with the glasses was going to turn out to be a bad guy...was waiting for it the whole episode! The typical French stereotype. His name may has well been Douche Bag. :D

Woolsey---I liked him in this one and especially that he finally found some respect for SG-1, thanks to Sam!!! HE seems to always be trying to play both ends against the middle. It's not working for me. :(

And this won't surprise anyone that knows me---I really miss Jack. Even in this episode a bit of his wacky sense of humor would have gone a long way! Yea, I'm also sure Teal'c could have told O'neill to shut his mouth so as not to draw the attention of the bugs in a more candid and funny way. :D

sindicate
February 18th, 2006, 07:41 AM
It was a good episode, except for the Obvious mistake they made in one of the scenes

AGateFan
February 18th, 2006, 07:45 AM
It was a good episode, except for the Obvious mistake they made in one of the scenes
Its only obvious when its obvious.... so can you clue me in, I sometimes miss the obvious.

whatswiththehairtealc
February 18th, 2006, 07:47 AM
This was surprisingly a good episode. And finally Woolsy stopped acting like a wienieeeeee.

the comedy was great. Teal'c, "I think i will watch Old School." Mitchell, " your my boy blue" I enjoyed the refrences to the tealc getting his own place and last seasons debacle.

but i have to say having the spaceship whizzing in every time to beam the team from danger is getting old.

Ancient 1
February 18th, 2006, 07:52 AM
OOPS! I forgot to ask if anyone was getting a little tired of the Oddyssey showing up just in the nick of time to bale out SG-1. So how's that playing for the rest of you?

sindicate
February 18th, 2006, 07:53 AM
Its only obvious when its obvious.... so can you clue me in, I sometimes miss the obvious.


The Scene where they show the Odyssey on the way, the Structure With all the Antennas (Comm Array?) on the top was on the right hand side in this Episode, in "Off the Grid" it was on the Left, the Daedalus's is also on the left

creed462
February 18th, 2006, 07:54 AM
It was good I like it.

macktheknife
February 18th, 2006, 08:04 AM
Hmmn.

Rehased locations?

Cave from SGA Epiphany? Check.
Cave from SGA Conversion? Oh wait, it's the same one from Epiphany. And had bugs too.
Rock Wall\Area from SGA Micheal? Check.

Cop out ending? Check.

It was a pretty "bleh" episode, but Woolsey always kicks an ep up a notch, so it was'nt bad.

Personally, I was suprised at least tealc did'nt have a MP7 for another sidearm, but at least Mitchell kept is G36

Sue_Jackson
February 18th, 2006, 08:14 AM
I love this episode! :D It was great fun to watch! :D Though.....those bugs were really nasty and did creep me out. It was gross when the bugs came out of the bodies. Eeeeewwwww!! Or, when the bugs came up from under that Airman, and swarmed all over him, devouring him. Eeewww!!

But, I love SG-1 working together! :D

I love how Ms. Shen knew about Daniel, and complimented on his many achievements. :) I also loved how they spoke Mandarin (Chinese) to each other, and then Cameron pipes in saying something in Mandarin. Who knew Cameron could speak Mandarin. ;) (I wish they had put subtitles. I wanna know what they said.)

That French guy was purely annoying. He was such a whiney brat. Woolsey was also very annoying, and a jerk. His arroganceness and constant complaining was like nails on chalkboard. I loved it when the French guy was complaining about how he couldn't walk anymore. Then, Cameron puts then gun in his hand, and says about shooting the bugs. Then, Cam tells him about some ferrets that rips people's heads off. Of course, Cam was just BSing the French guy into scaring him, but it was funny! LOL! :D I loved the look on the French guy's face! He's like.....never mind! LOL! :D

I also liked the Teal'c and Cam bonding. I love how Cam respects Teal'c for being positive. I love how Teal'c wants to watch the movie, "Old School". :D I think Teal'c and Cam have good banter, and I like it! :)

Landry was good in this, too. I like his joke on SG-1 being babysitters for the IOA people. "Don't keep them past 10:00. And, don't forget to read them a bedtime story." LOL!

I like the end where Daniel says, "We still on for movie night?" I love how Cam wants "Star Troopers". I like how the gang hangs out together. May be someday we'll see them hang out someday. Here's hoping that will happen. I would like to our guys hang out at a bar, or at each other's homes.

alexia_star_2002
February 18th, 2006, 08:16 AM
WOW!! What an episode!!! I must say though that it TOTALLY GROSSED me OUT. I'm not one for creepy crawly things...eeewww. I was really impressed with Woosley when he told the French deligate to shut up and let Carter work, that really changed my opinion of him in this episode. I hope they find a way to get ride of these bugs quick and they never come back, cause I don't think I could handle that again.

BTW did anybody else notice the parallel of Tremors to this episode? I felt like I was having flashbacks.

alexia_star_2002
February 18th, 2006, 08:18 AM
OOPS! I forgot to ask if anyone was getting a little tired of the Oddyssey showing up just in the nick of time to bale out SG-1. So how's that playing for the rest of you?
I agree...the odyssey always just seems to show up in the nick of time lately. What happened to the days when SG-1 would save themselves

GateAngel
February 18th, 2006, 09:29 AM
I'm still a bit puzzled by the actions of the bugs. :confused: How can they be both repelled by the gunfire/movement and attracted to sound? Or did I miss something in the "Man-Eating-Bugs" orientation session in the beginning?

It's not the sound they are attracted to, it's the vibrations the sounds create since most insects of that nature are deaf because they don't have ears. The vibrations can mean food is walking nearby or there is danger such as an earthquake/land slide or other dangerous disruptions that create vibrations.

warmbeachbrat
February 18th, 2006, 09:31 AM
After seeing the commercials, I didn't have high hopes for this episode. It could have gone wrong in SO many ways. But I was pleasantly surprised. I thoroughly enjoyed it! I know I've said it before, but I love the Teal'c/Mitchell relationship, and this episode didn't disappoint. Their banter and conversations were revealing and entertaining.

I've actually liked Woolsey for quite some time now, so his progression in this episode was quite nice. I thought they went a little over the top, though, with having Woolsey being the one questioning the gate's operation. I know it's a nod to his time on Star Trek, but it was a bit blatant to me. I loved his interaction with Sam in the cave. She was pretty snarky to him--I can't remember the last time she was like that (Emancipation, maybe? No, wait--Paradise Lost). It fit quite nicely in the episode.

It seems like they took every character back to their roots in this episode. Daniel to his linguistic background, Sam to her soldier/scientist self, Mitchell showed his leadership capabilities even more than usual, and Landry is gelling a bit more as the concerned commander of the base. Oh! And Dr. Lee! I love Dr. Lee (why isn't there an appreciation thread for Bill Dow/Dr. Lee?). He is just hilarious (as well as being a great scientist). *sigh* They don't use him often enough.

Nice episode with just a couple of caveats. I can't quite figure out where they're going with the Mitchell/Daniel relationship. There seems to be a bit of tension there--but it seems a little off and on, like they don't quite know how far they want to take it.

And the French guy--just a bit over the top, I thought. I can't believe they would have anybody so stupid and whiny on such a commission. From his first actions of brushing by the scientist and tapping on the bug container (what an idiot!), to his behavior in the cave and on the way to the field station. Just too, too much.

And, like everyone else, I loved the reference to Starship Troopers (even though I did NOT like that movie). All in all a good episode with a couple of minor quibbles.

mat vador
February 18th, 2006, 09:38 AM
Poor, poor french... It's a horrible caricature... Jean la Pierre is funny, but, nevertheless... :eek:

Zoser
February 18th, 2006, 09:57 AM
I didn't totally despise Mitchell in this one.

I worked in a research lab for many years - No, no ,no, we never just tossed something into the mix, say our lunch, to see interesting results. Totally absurd.
And then to send someone ill from a flesh eating bug back to Earth - just nuts. Hey lets infect our home planet.
The bugs were just stupid (or the guys that thought up that plot line) - did they ever hear of conservation of matter? You can't put in a few ounces of food and get fifty pounds of bugs.

As for movie night - isn't that straight from fan fiction? I wish they would read better stories so they could steal some decent plots.

They international angle is however interesting and has been simmering for years.

I wish they would let us know and actually care about people before the carelessly kill them in their contrived plots. The episode - Plotz!

Zoser
February 18th, 2006, 10:05 AM
Did anyone else find it weird that the Research Center was a tent 10 miles away from the main site?

Well money is tight.
Wouldn't you put these possible destructive insect in a research center as opposed to the base? The precautions on the base were laughable. Don't have a secure lab that is sealed and you are able to neutralize. No, it is so much easier to nuke the whole base a kill everyone.

Zoser
February 18th, 2006, 10:31 AM
snipped

Always a good thing. ;)

Yea, I'm also sure Teal'c could have told O'neill to shut his mouth so as not to draw the attention of the bugs in a more candid and funny way. :D
He would have just said 'O'Neill' and O'Neill would have gotten the message.

DEM
February 18th, 2006, 10:52 AM
This was an okay episode for me. Like others, some of the interactions really made the show. Sam (and Amanda Tapping) was fabulous with Woolsey (and I have always liked Richard Picardo--hope we see him again in season 10), and she was great at the end, having to tell everyone the reality of their situation. I also liked the interactions with Daniel and the Chinese embassador, and with Teal'c and Mitchell.

The actual episode was okay, but not great for me, simply because the storyline wasn't very compelling. I'd say a rewatch episode though. And the direction was very good. I'm so lethargic that I can't be bothered to be original. chocdoc's post sums up pretty much exactly how I felt about the ep.

The Teal'c/Mitchell dynamic is interesting; they seem to be going for 'realistic' bonding with all of its fits and starts. If so, that's great, but it still feels sort of awkward and forced and inauthentic. I can't pinpoint exactly why it feels that way, but I think it has something to do with the weird, paradoxical (and dare I say it, nonsensical), characterisation of Mitchell as New Guy who nevertheless Knows Everything (or, relatedly, Irritating Guy Who Everyone Likes).

For example, there was a scene in which the entire group was walking through the forest. I think Carter was explaining something, and then Mitchell jumped into the conversation and recited a somewhat obscure factoid having to do with the SGC or Gate travel, and it struck me that it would be so much better if he didn't know those sorts of things. I'll have to go back later and find the scene -- assuming I can work up the energy. They did this sort of thing with Jonas, too, but at least I liked everything else about Jonas, and -- most importantly -- Jonas was not the CO.

I guess I just don't understand why Mitchell was given a pilot's background rather than an SGC background. Oh, because then it would have been harder to explain why we'd never seen nor heard of Wonderboy before. In any case, despite the fact that I didn't feel like shooting Mitchell as often as I usually do, these sorts of moments jumped out at me and irritated me no end. I wouldn't be surprised if we learn later that Mitchell learned Chinese as part of the Mission-Gone-Bad (Collateral Damage) because, in addition to his pilot duties, he was needed for covert ground ops as well. :rolleyes:

Getting back to that scene. Actually, it might have been more than one scene in the walking sequence. Mitchell has a tendency to jump in and take over someone else's place in a conversation, and most often (at least in The Scourge) that person is Carter. I don't like that. Tapping, as great as she was, was noticably pushed back in many scenes to make way for BB's Mitchell. Likewise, the direction, as good as it was, often became awkward when it had to work out ways to make BB front and centre at the head of the column... and then front and centre of action taking place in the middle of the column. Now, obviously I can't know if this was lousy writing, a fallout of actor's contracts, or subtle characterisation (i.e., 'Mitchell's a know-it-all'), but it bugged. There are two Lt. Colonel's on the team -- only one of whom has had significant GROUND OPERATIONS/ OFFWORLD TRAVEL experience -- and even though the EXPERIENCED LC isn't the one who gets lines in every damn scene and THE BIGGEST GUN [my god, how trite], that LC ought to be be afforded the respect of handling the minor questions raised by the ambassadors.

Now that I think about it, the shuffling around happened a lot throughout the episode.

Nevertheless, I enjoyed Carter's understated professionalism and high degree of competence (gotta give M&M points when they manage to do that), and it was fab to see Daniel doing his social/social science stuff. Philology!

There were a couple of great shots of Carter/Teal'c that I'm hoping someone will use to make lj icons. :sam59: :tealc: :D

Points off for: 1) carting a body up to the Gate before the wormhole had been established, 2) Dr Lee the Swiss Army Knife of Scientists, 3) the fracking Odyssey and its beam, 4) the continuing blase attitude about implanting locators in people's bodies.

Rating: The exact middle of the scale.

markaudette
February 18th, 2006, 11:13 AM
I stand corrected, Akai. Sorry for the mix up.

I would like to add to my post that there ...some few things of note that came out of "The Scourge." Watching the episode again, I can take away that the only thing that was added to the show's storyline is that something is amiss within the Chinese governemnt's involvement in the Stargate program.

As sort of a side note, I have been pushing the J Mazz and the other development team to make the Stargate program public. It is nice to see that it is being made slowly evident that the making the Stargate program more accesible to varying agencies is instantly having its drawbacks - as we all knew it would be. I think maybe, in my mind, we're being told that making the Stargate program public is a global cluster f-ck like opening up pandora's box.

Sometimes I think this scene between Daniel and the Chinese government's rep was kind of made for twerps like me who want to see the Stargate program made public. Earth won't blossom into a utopia simply because the lid was publicly blown off the Stargate program.

Cory Holmes
February 18th, 2006, 11:40 AM
She was pretty snarky to him--I can't remember the last time she was like that (Emancipation, maybe? No, wait--Paradise Lost).
Any episode with Rodney McKay in it :D

NeoSaber
February 18th, 2006, 11:41 AM
Something else I thought off... I thought that nobody could beam anything off that planet. That's one of the reasons they chose the planet as a research base, so the planet's stargate couldn't get stolen. Something to do with the ionized atmosphere?!? Right...

Did I miss something?

Ace
I think they said the ionized atmosphere prevented sensors/etc from pinpointing things on the planet. It didn't directly interfere with beaming things off the planet, just prevented targeting via sensors.

golfbooy
February 18th, 2006, 11:45 AM
All right, time for my weekly SG-1 ranting. Honestly, I don't have too much to really say about Prodigy. I thought that seeing the team make a stand against the dangerous bugs was......oh, wait, this wasn't Prodigy, was it? No, this one was called The Scourge. Hmm. Funny, I thought that Mallozzi had already written this one once. I suppose I'll have to say something about how completely similar it was to that other episode then. Which I'm pretty sure I just did, so I'll let it go now.

And, despite the complete rehash and incredible unoriginality of the story, which really isn't SG-1's strength this season anyway, The Scourge actually turned out far better than I had hoped. I thought the script was rather weak, filled with cliches, illogic, and easy outs. But for all of that, the actors were rather good collectively, which in turn saved the story from being a complete waste. I'm not saying it was brilliant, don't get me wrong. There was no gain or loss either way for anyone or anything here, and the episode itself was rather flat, but for some reason things got reversed this week. Whereas throughout the season TPTB have had some decent stories to tell but managed to wreck the little things that make them endearing, here they got all the little things right in a less-than-stellar story.

To begin, let's get through the stuff I could have done without. At the top of that list is the Odyssey. No offense meant to anyone out there who enjoys this element of the show, but these damn spaceships are just about singlehandedly responsible for taking suspense and innovation completely out of the writer's repetoire. I'm well aware that there is a large, vocal segement of fans who get all hot and bothered each week with new CGI shots of the spaceships and what not, but I just don't see why the producers have to pander to them week after week. A pox on the Odyssey and all it's house. May they be blown to smithereens by Ori satellites and heard from no more.

And speaking of CGI, I was unimpressed by the CGI bugs in The Scourge. For some reason, they came across as particularly hokey and were integrated far less seamlessly than past effects in SG-1 have been. When they were oozing from dead bodies or busting out of the containment vessel in the lab they just didn't seem natural enough for the show. Eh, give me the big giant fly prop from Bane any day. Just my two cents. And why on Earth does Mitchell have a different gun than the rest of the team? Phallice or not, it's just another small thing to separate him from the rest of the team and make him different, which is not what the character needs. Besides, the P-90s look way cooler. And lastly, is it really necessary to be so over-the-top cliched with the Frenchman? Seriously, we've already got the untrustworthy Russians and the sneaky Chinese. Throwing the difficult, cowardly Frenchman into the mix is just a little sad.

Aside from the staggeringly unoriginal story and script, the episode played really well. The actors on SG-1 have always been great at making up for deficiencies in the scripts, and no place is that more the case than in The Scourge. This was at best a mediocre story. The only reason it succeeds at all is because of the considerable talents of the cast. Ken Girotti comes through again here, providing a well paced, well directed episode. Again, I can't help but feel that Peter DeLuise, Andy Mikita, and Martin Wood are just burdened with trying to direct too many episodes in too short a period of time. 30 hours of tv is too much for three guys to handle. I think the reason that Ethon and The Scourge came out so well is because Ken Girotti simply had enough time to prep and produce the episodes without trying to just get it filmed quickly and move on to the next one.

For me, Carter and Daniel really saved this episode. Carter's interaction with Woolsey and Daniel's scenes with the Chinese ambassador made the whole bug badness of the episode worth it. Snarky, cynical Carter needs to make an appearance more often. The character has a ton of presence and authority in this one. She's the one who has a grasp of the situation and is thinking clearly. Kudos to Amanda Tapping and to Robert Picardo. Likewise, Daniel's discussion of the Stargate program with the Chinese ambassador was a nice touch in an otherwise worthless bit of filler. That was great stuff for Daniel, all very much in character. I'd like to think that all of them--Daniel, Carter, and Teal'c--would work with whomever they had to in order to continue exploring through the gate and protecting Earth. Michael Shanks has always been able to be "on" when he gets his scenes in episodes, and that was certainly the case here.

I, too, liked the Mitchell and Teal'c walk and talk. It was a nice conversation, and Chris Judge's comedic timing with the character of Teal'c is spot on. I am sort of sick of the writers trying to imply that Mitchell knows every aspect of every mission and circumstance that SG-1 has ever been in for the last eight years, be it private or personal. Stop trying so hard to make it seem like he's been there from the beginning and participated in all that SG-1 has been through. The character would be alot more authentic if he didn't know all.

Mitchell, in general, continues with his Jekyll and Hyde nature. Luckily for me, we got Dr. Jekyll this week. Mitchell at least appeared somewhat competent in this one. He wasn't constantly annoying, and was much more in the background here. Mitchell works best when he's working with everyone instead of acting like a one man SG team replete with piloting, tactical, socioligical, and technical expertise that trumps all. There were definitely shades of that Mitchell here, though, which is worrisome. Mitchell's conversation with Daniel regarding the US's treaties with other nations was interesting and it warranted further discussion. I hated seeing that bit of conflict swept under the rug with Mitchell's idiot line of "I'm right". If you're going to have an ethical discussion about the American military's current or future role in a global Stargate program, then have it. Don't just push the idiot switch on Mitchell and have him be dumb and end the conversation. That scene was good for Daniel; it wasn't good for Mitchell. Mitchell has got to be smarter than "Go Airforce, screw everyone else".

One last bit of annoyance for me is the ever muddled command structure of the team. No one seemed to be in charge here. Not that it was much of an issue. Though, it was very strange to me that Mitchell had no clue when it came to the extermination protocols that would be followed by the SGC. That's something that all SG team members would know, most espcially a "leader". For a character who seems to know SG-1's past missions better than Carter, Teal'c, and Daniel do, it seemed like an odd, rather undermining decision for the writers to make. And I don't believe it was intentional, I just think the writers didn't think about how that would come across.

Anyway, to sum up--good acting from everyone, good directing. Bad story idea and script. And bad, bad, bad line about Starship Troopers. I've said this before and I'll say it again here. Winking at the audience, telling us that you're aware that the story is weak, unoriginal, and derivative does not make it ok to do the weak, unoriginal, and derivative story anyway. And Old School? Come on.

That's about all I've got to say for now about Prodigy, er, The Scourge. Crystal Skull is next week. Damn! I mean Arthur's Mantle. We'll see.

mother-goose
February 18th, 2006, 12:21 PM
Thought that was a good ep myself! Much more like the sg1 we know, and miss, not so much stupid jokes, it was more of the good old days kinda ep.

not saying it was great, when they were in the cave you could tell it was a set becuase of the sound, listen to it, thats not how solid stone sounds at all

but all in all much better! its like they had a week spot mid season.

Goosey gives it ****

KRiZ
February 18th, 2006, 12:22 PM
That's about all I've got to say for now about Prodigy, er, The Scourge. Crystal Skull is next week. Damn! I mean Arthur's Mantle. We'll see.

Well all these anti-people will wish for the "good ol' days" of SG-1, i mean theres a team dynamic back, the stories are team based again, but still people are not happy...

... guess tptb should just hand over the reins to all us fans who have such a good idea of how to run a show ;)

Dani347
February 18th, 2006, 12:33 PM
Okay, rewatching the non Ori version of the episode (meaning muting or fastforwarding past any mention of Ori's or Priors) here's my observations.

I liked the interactions among the team. I loved the silent working together as they fought the bugs. Teal'c seemed to sense them first, and everyone picked up on that and just went to work.

I thought Mitchell was very good here. Didn't have a problem with him understanding Mandarin. It's not uncommon for someone to know more than one language. I don't even think they need to write an explanation for how he can understand the language. It's not beyond the realm of probability and, imo, it doesn't make him super special to understand a quick little conversation. I thought he was professional. I liked the tree ferret thing. Especially since he said it with a completely straight face. They could have played it for comedy, but they didn't. the only thing that I didn't care for, and it was just a minor quibble was the "we're only 24,000 light years."

I didn't feel Sam was wallpapered. I thought her scenes with Woolsey and the rest of the delegates were very good. I could understand both positions with her and Woolsey over what to say to everyone. If I was Sam, I don't think I would be able to muster up a pep talk either, and as a scientist, she's a realist. On the other hand, I think if I were in the delegates position, I would be thinking ignorance is bliss. Tell me what I need to know to survive, but don't tell me anything more than that. I also thought she was good with the French guy. One thing about him. I had trouble understanding him half the time. One thing that they got right was even though the guest stars were given lines it didn't seem like it was more about them in those scenes. A lot of times, to me, when Sam is playing with guest stars, it's almost like the guest stars are the stars and she's the guest. It wasn't like that here.

Daniel. Sigh. Why did they have to do the shippy hints? Ship is like the Ori. It messes up an episode. I don't think I would have felt it was ship if it hadn't been for the lunch scene, where Ms. Shen clearly was sending out signals that she wanted to eat alone, and Daniel just ignored it and sat down anyway. Without that, I could have viewed their interactions as just two people who respected each other's backgrounds. I did like that she mentioned his doctorates, and most importantly his role as figuring out the Stargate. It was nice to have some acknowledgement that he wasn't just hanging in limbo before he ascended. And, the conversation about the US military not living up to their agreement was good. It reminded me of the problem with letting Russians into the Stargate program that was brought up in Lockdown.

Except for the part I mentioned before with Teal'c sensing the presence of the bugs, I don't have much individually to say about Teal'c. I was going to arrange my comments to mention what I noticed and liked (or didn't) individually for each one, then move on to the different interactions between them. But, most of the things that I have to comment about him were when he was with someone else. Mostly Mitchell. I still think it was a rewriting of history to say he had no doubts. Even him saying that he didn't know the Goa'uld would be defeated in his lifetime still had more faith than what was shown in Avatar. If he had just said something like there may have been a time or two when he had doubts but overall he knew they would be defeated that would have been more accurate, I thought. But, I did like the conversation between him and Mitchell about getting an apartment. I liked him telling Mitchell to butt out. It does make me wonder why Teal'c is so adamant not to try again. Maybe get an apartment closer to the SGC? Just to have the feel of going off on your own, and having more than a room. But, I'm sure Teal'c would tell me to mind my own business. I also liked it when he and Mitchell came up on more bugs, and he said that they should keep the conversation to a minimum.

I thought the conversation between Daniel and Mitchell was a good one. Mitchell had his side, Daniel had his. Of course, since it was just a quick conversation walking down a corridor, they weren't going to have a nice long debate on it. Mitchell saying, "I'm right" wasn't a big deal for me. Daniel had an appropriate response, mocking his 'compelling' argument. It wasn't something that he would get angry over, just something that he would pretty much say what he did.

What does IOA stand for?

And, one thing I didn't get about the bugs. When the scientists noticed that they had multiplied and sent them through the biohazard thing, after one escaped and bit the guy, why did they reopen the door? Why didn't they send a warning, send everyone through the Stargate at that moment before they even thought of reopening the door? I know, I know. Because then the episode would have been too short.

The movie night thing wasn't a big thing for me either in a positive or negative way. They watch movies. I'm more interested in their relationship on screen.

So, I felt it was a team episode, everyone had something to do, or to say, everyone was written in character (except that awkward "I'll just push my way into your space while you're eating" thing with Daniel) and if these had just been normal flesh eating alien bugs with no connection to the hateful, I want them DEAD Ori, I probably would have liked the episode more. Oh, and the ship hints.

Bobthespirit
February 18th, 2006, 12:36 PM
Didn't scifi do this movie a couple weeks ago? Except with Colm Meaney, and larger bugs?

golfbooy
February 18th, 2006, 12:47 PM
Well all these anti-people will wish for the "good ol' days" of SG-1, i mean theres a team dynamic back, the stories are team based again, but still people are not happy...

... guess tptb should just hand over the reins to all us fans who have such a good idea of how to run a show ;)
Um.....touche? I guess?

golfbooy
February 18th, 2006, 01:00 PM
I didn't feel Sam was wallpapered. I thought her scenes with Woolsey and the rest of the delegates were very good. I could understand both positions with her and Woolsey over what to say to everyone. If I was Sam, I don't think I would be able to muster up a pep talk either, and as a scientist, she's a realist. On the other hand, I think if I were in the delegates position, I would be thinking ignorance is bliss. Tell me what I need to know to survive, but don't tell me anything more than that. I also thought she was good with the French guy. One thing about him. I had trouble understanding him half the time. One thing that they got right was even though the guest stars were given lines it didn't seem like it was more about them in those scenes. A lot of times, to me, when Sam is playing with guest stars, it's almost like the guest stars are the stars and she's the guest. It wasn't like that here.
I was getting some serious Jack vibes from Carter in her scene with Woolsey. And I mean that in a good way. Her refusal to sugarcoat the situation and her cynicism regarding the whole turn of events really reminded me of how O'niell would have dealt with both the situation and the delegates.



Daniel. Sigh. Why did they have to do the shippy hints? Ship is like the Ori. It messes up an episode. I don't think I would have felt it was ship if it hadn't been for the lunch scene, where Ms. Shen clearly was sending out signals that she wanted to eat alone, and Daniel just ignored it and sat down anyway. Without that, I could have viewed their interactions as just two people who respected each other's backgrounds. I did like that she mentioned his doctorates, and most importantly his role as figuring out the Stargate. It was nice to have some acknowledgement that he wasn't just hanging in limbo before he ascended. And, the conversation about the US military not living up to their agreement was good. It reminded me of the problem with letting Russians into the Stargate program that was brought up in Lockdown.

Really? I wasn't getting any real shippy hints from Daniel or the ambassador. I think there was a mutual respect there, and certainly the door is open for them to develop the relationship further, but I didn't see anything that screamed "ship!" at me in this episode. When he sat down to eat with her I just took it as Daniel being Daniel, trying to bring everyone to a reasonable, less selfish understanding of the state of affairs regarding the Stargate program. I thought it was very Daniel to have him be advocating a big picture perspective.

Zoser
February 18th, 2006, 01:04 PM
What did you think of Teal'c lunch selection - I though he ate healthy (mountains of fruit)

AGateFan
February 18th, 2006, 01:06 PM
What did you think of Teal'c lunch selection - I though he ate healthy (mountains of fruit)
I would think he would have a hard time maintaining his form living on corndogs especially without Junior to help out. Maybe he figures if he gains weigth they will let him wear shirts again. :)

DEM
February 18th, 2006, 01:07 PM
Didn't have a problem with him understanding Mandarin. It's not uncommon for someone to know more than one language. It's not beyond the realm of probability and, imo, it doesn't make him super special to understand a quick little conversation. For me it's about the sum total of all things. All those little things add up, and it would be much more authentic and provide greater story potential to let the new guy just be. Or maybe it's something ineffable about the way these little bits are inserted and portrayed, I dunno. :shrug:


I didn't feel Sam was wallpapered.In the opening scenes, I was worried for a bit that she had gone mute. Then when I saw it was an M&M ep, I got very worried. However...


One thing that they got right was even though the guest stars were given lines it didn't seem like it was more about them in those scenes. A lot of times, to me, when Sam is playing with guest stars, it's almost like the guest stars are the stars and she's the guest. It wasn't like that here. Yes! That's what I meant about giving them credit for managing to portray Carter as, well, who she is. I know many people love Jacob Carter, but frankly, I was ready for him to die long before S8 simply because of M&M's tendency to over-emphasise him (and other guests) at the expense of Carter (and other regulars).

I felt as you did about Daniel's interruption of Ms Shen's lunch, but I didn't want to say anything... ;) Besides, I figure that could be my own issue with that sort of behaviour in general. The scene worked out well in the end, though, I thought, and I wasn't convinced that there was a subtextual shippy goal for Daniel/Shen. Plus, philology!

Dani347
February 18th, 2006, 01:13 PM
Really? I wasn't getting any real shippy hints from Daniel or the ambassador. I think there was a mutual respect there, and certainly the door is open for them to develop the relationship further, but I didn't see anything that screamed "ship!" at me in this episode. When he sat down to eat with her I just took it as Daniel being Daniel, trying to bring everyone to a reasonable, less selfish understanding of the state of affairs regarding the Stargate program. I thought it was very Daniel to have him be advocating a big picture perspective.

It wasn't the conversation. And, I agree that he would want to get everyone together on the Stargate program. But, it was the pushy, "Okay, don't mind if I do!" thing that just seemed wrong. She didn't have the air of someone who needed company, and she seemed like she wanted some time by herself to go over her notes, and he just invites himself there. I just got a "ooh, pretty and smart girlie that I wanna sit by and maybe we can hold hands later" vibe. Maybe if he had just asked to sit there, and she had been more open and they immediately started in on the conversation, or if they had all been sitting at the same table and started talking it wouldn't have come off that way to me.

Uber
February 18th, 2006, 01:19 PM
It wasn't the conversation. And, I agree that he would want to get everyone together on the Stargate program. But, it was the pushy, "Okay, don't mind if I do!" thing that just seemed wrong. She didn't have the air of someone who needed company, and she seemed like she wanted some time by herself to go over her notes, and he just invites himself there. I just got a "ooh, pretty and smart girlie that I wanna sit by and maybe we can hold hands later" vibe. Maybe if he had just asked to sit there, and she had been more open and they immediately started in on the conversation, or if they had all been sitting at the same table and started talking it wouldn't have come off that way to me.Interesting. I got a "things are strained between the SGC and the International Oversight Committee and let's see what information I can get out of the Chinese liaison with whom I've established rapport or at the very least build stronger ties."

I saw Daniel the savvy bridge builder here not Daniel "I really need to get some" here.

golfbooy
February 18th, 2006, 01:21 PM
It wasn't the conversation. And, I agree that he would want to get everyone together on the Stargate program. But, it was the pushy, "Okay, don't mind if I do!" thing that just seemed wrong. She didn't have the air of someone who needed company, and she seemed like she wanted some time by herself to go over her notes, and he just invites himself there. I just got a "ooh, pretty and smart girlie that I wanna sit by and maybe we can hold hands later" vibe. Maybe if he had just asked to sit there, and she had been more open and they immediately started in on the conversation, or if they had all been sitting at the same table and started talking it wouldn't have come off that way to me.
Eh, to each his own. Or her own as the case is here. I can see where you might be worried as I think it's likely that we could see the Chinese delegate again. I hope we do at least. It would be a shame if that whole part of The Scourge is for naught. And I liked Daniel's interaction with her.

NotAscended
February 18th, 2006, 01:27 PM
Interesting. I got a "things are strained between the SGC and the IOC and let's see what information I can get out of the Chinese liaison with whom I've established rapport or at the very least build stronger ties."

I saw Daniel the savvy bridge builder here not Daniel "I really need to get some" here.

I saw it that way, too. In the midst of a PR mission, the last thing you want is for one of the people to whom you are trying to sell the mission to sit off by themselves. He was a bit abrupt to just invite himself to sit down, but he also recognized that it was his job to try to improve relations and make a connection with the representative of the Chinese government.

Uber
February 18th, 2006, 01:34 PM
I saw it that way, too. In the midst of a PR mission, the last thing you want is for one of the people to whom you are trying to sell the mission to sit off by themselves. He was a bit abrupt to just invite himself to sit down, but he also recognized that it was his job to try to improve relations and make a connection with the representative of the Chinese government.I agree he was abrupt but I think it was done in humor and was also received in humor. Plus his smiles tend to melt even the coldest of shoulders without even trying which is why his talking to her to gleen any information he could from her was appropriate as he had an already established relationship...or rather rapport built on mutual respect with her. He knew he could get away with being a little pushy as long as he was his charming self.

Dani347
February 18th, 2006, 01:40 PM
If they stick to diplomatic, friendly or even not friendly interactions discussing the part China wants to play in the Stargate program, I wouldn't mind if they brought her back and if she interacted with Daniel. As long as he didn't do something similar to what he did in this episode, in my interpretation. The questions brought up in their conversations are interesting ones that should continue.

I didn't pick up on this before I read it somewhere else, but I liked the scene in the cave where Daniel figures out that they could contact the Odyssey at the research station and Sam responded that she would be able to make it work. Nice way of them using their strengths to come up with a solution.

Ancient 61
February 18th, 2006, 02:04 PM
Did anybody catch the Starship Troopers reference? Especially with Michael Ironside guest starring in only 2 episodes? I wonder if the writers knew that he would be guest starring when they wrote it.

Ace

P.S. I love Michael Ironside... great actor. He made Starship Troopers worth seeing several times

I am glad that someone else caught the referense to Starship Troopers.:) :) :) :)
Joanne

gatelover12
February 18th, 2006, 02:08 PM
Apparently I am the only one here who watched Tremors the seires. In an ep of TTS A group of insects that were really a hybrid of termite/ant with a smattering of randomness thrown in were eating plants, then mules, and finaly people. They traveled underground and made a loud sound when they approched. Many people have pointed out the vibration sensing commonality so I won't go into that, but did the egg thing remind anyone else of "they nest"?

Seshat
February 18th, 2006, 02:14 PM
Daniel. Sigh. Why did they have to do the shippy hints? Ship is like the Ori. It messes up an episode. I don't think I would have felt it was ship if it hadn't been for the lunch scene, where Ms. Shen clearly was sending out signals that she wanted to eat alone, and Daniel just ignored it and sat down anyway. Without that, I could have viewed their interactions as just two people who respected each other's backgrounds. I did like that she mentioned his doctorates, and most importantly his role as figuring out the Stargate. It was nice to have some acknowledgement that he wasn't just hanging in limbo before he ascended. And, the conversation about the US military not living up to their agreement was good. It reminded me of the problem with letting Russians into the Stargate program that was brought up in Lockdown.

Interesting viewpoint. I personally didn't see ANY shippy bits, in fact, I thought they went out of their way to avoid it. I was looking pretty closely, too, because of the writers' tendancy IMO to shove the current female guest star at the male stars in every ep this season. But I really didn't think they were doing that here. Doesn't mean they can't add some down the line, but for once I was impressed they hadn't paired up everyone again ... it's so junior high school. ;)

binkpmmc
February 18th, 2006, 02:19 PM
All right, time for my weekly SG-1 ranting. Honestly, I don't have too much to really say about Prodigy. I thought that seeing the team make a stand against the dangerous bugs was......oh, wait, this wasn't Prodigy, was it? No, this one was called The Scourge. Hmm. Funny, I thought that Mallozzi had already written this one once. I suppose I'll have to say something about how completely similar it was to that other episode then. Which I'm pretty sure I just did, so I'll let it go now.

SNIP, SNIP FOR THE SAKE OF SPACE.

Anyway, to sum up--good acting from everyone, good directing. Bad story idea and script. And bad, bad, bad line about Starship Troopers. I've said this before and I'll say it again here. Winking at the audience, telling us that you're aware that the story is weak, unoriginal, and derivative does not make it ok to do the weak, unoriginal, and derivative story anyway. And Old School? Come on.

That's about all I've got to say for now about Prodigy, er, The Scourge. Crystal Skull is next week. Damn! I mean Arthur's Mantle. We'll see.

WOW - great, great post golfbooy. You have hit the nail on the head again.

ToasterOnFire
February 18th, 2006, 02:24 PM
Eh, it was a good filler episode but nothing spectacular. I'd rate it somewhere between OTG and Ethon.

-It did have some nice character and team scenes. Sam had some great moments with Woolsey. Mitch and Teal'c got to gab while walking through the forest. The whole team got together (offscreen) to watch a big-screen butchering of Heinlein's novel. :P I'm still getting the feeling that Daniel and Mitch aren't completely buddy-buddy though, and I don't know if this is intentional by TPTB and leading to something or my own interpretation.

-I liked the Chinese delegate and would like to see more of her. Hopefully her vague comments about the stargate are meant for foreshadowing and not simple philosophizing. While I didn't see her scenes with Daniel as overly shippy I wouldn't mind if something did develop in later episodes.

-Dr. Lee appears to be filling a niche that Zelenka fills on Atlantis - the on-base scientist who gets to explain things to people who are not on away teams and/or in command. It worked for Zelenka's character so I imagine it will be beneficial for Lee as well.

-Two weeks in a row where the Odyssey has to save SG1's butt. Hopefully things will be different next week.

DEM
February 18th, 2006, 02:51 PM
Dr. Lee appears to be filling a niche that Zelenka fills on Atlantis - the on-base scientist who gets to explain things to people who are not on away teams and/or in command. It worked for Zelenka's character so I imagine it will be beneficial for Lee as well.I just started watching Atlantis this season, and I haven't all of those eps even. However, I do remember a Zelenka scene of the sort you're talking about here, and I seem to recall that Zelenka explained what he understood about a problem to Weir (?) but then said that he couldn't fix the problem and referred her to the more appropriate personnel. I know I could be wrong about that, or that could have been an exception to the rule. In any case, I would be cool with Lee explaining -- at an appropriate level of detail -- problems to the non-scientists; it's the ability to fix all of those problems that I dislike. This guy has been involved in archeological, all manner of engineering, and now zoological projects! Seriously, when I first blew through my rapidly-purchased S1-8 DVDs, the 2nd or 3rd time I saw Lee, I thought I was confusing him with some other character because he was doing a task that was FAR removed in discipline from what he had done previously.

In the end, I prefer it when the SGC is portrayed as having more personnel rather than fewer, and human characters rather than multifunction hand tools.

Just watched the ep again (tho I missed Act II), and here are more thoughts:

1) Great moment when Daniel 'translated' Carter's line about the bugs tracking their prey. Unlike Ripple Effect (i think) and possibly 1 other ep, there was no ambiguous sidelong glance or squinching of face; rather he offered a matter-of-fact 'assist' for the 'regular folk'. Nice work on MS's part.

2) Amanda Tapping rocked the house, especially in the latter scenes where she was afforded room to move. Great work.

3) Liked Tomita and would welcome seeing her again.

4) Why did the visitors (Woolsey & LaPierre) look up when they were beamed aboard the Odyssey {ugh}? Isn't transport instantaneous?

keppiezbt
February 18th, 2006, 03:13 PM
random info....i bet the guy who played the french ambassador in Belize....we were hanging out, drinking, smoke a jibber...

the guy was into pink speedos waaaaay too much but he was pretty cool...hitting on these girl i meet lol... then again i thought his door swung the other way...wink wink

Fargater
February 18th, 2006, 03:35 PM
If you knew that Mitchell getting eaten by the bugs would guarantee Jack returning in his spot, would you wish that upon him? Something I just thought of, and sadly, yes I would wish it.
Sadly, yes I too would wish it.

phillipjfry
February 18th, 2006, 03:55 PM
Just one thing I didn't like about this episode. You figured they could have actually picked some one who can speak chinese to be the chinese representative. I think Daniel Jackson's chinese is better than that girl's.

LMichelle
February 18th, 2006, 03:56 PM
I wasn't sure if I was watching Stargate or one of the weekend movies The Scifi Channel foists upon us. Killer bugs? Oh, that's original. I'm not a big fan of bugs and have sort of an aversion to them. Okay, it's a full-blown phobia. Yet, I realize these are computer generated bugs, so the fear is very much quelled. ;)

I was reading a book during commercials, but I'm still up for making making snarky comments/observations.

So this is yet another thing to blame on the Ori? I don't know. I'm just having a hard time seeing them making these super bugs to kill planets of people. Perhaps they're controlled by the Priors. He raises his staff and the bugs do his bidding.

Yes, SG-1 did seem like glorified babysitters, but every mission can't be a life and death struggle, Mitchell. Okay, so this one was. I guess he's happy now. Well, not really. He's still gotta find an apartment for Teal'c. ;)

Daniel seemed drawn to Dr. Chen. He does have a thing for dark-haired beauties, doesn't he? However, she didn't seem interested in his company at lunch. Daniel just got himself a plate and sat right down next to her. Was it me or did Chen's voice seem smiliar to Vala's? Yes, my ship rules my life. Oh, like yours doesn't.

I love that the team has movie nights. *team squee* I'm sure there's a creative soul out there who could do a fic about them watching Starship Troopers. That would be a great fic if done well, wouldn't it?
I think it would be great to see an ep like that. Just seeing them do everyday things. I'd love to see them staying on the base doing paperwork. Hee.

Lisa Michelle :)

Mattathias2.0
February 18th, 2006, 03:57 PM
Overall... Great episode.

I didn't mind the Prior or Lucian references... It shows 1) that the Ori aren't sitting on their ascended butts in regards to Priors in our galaxy, and 2) shows the Lucian Alliance is causing trouble... Overall, nice plot and subplot.

I enjoy the Chinese delegate. I didn't mind the shipping between them (seeing as Daniel is not a eunuch), but depends on where this may lead as to if I'd enjoy seeing more of her.

I also enjoyed her little speeches... I would hope that her ideas come to pass... because the Ori is a threat the US shouldn't hold off by themselves. I hope something happens in regards to this.

I loved the Carter/Woolsey and Cam/Teal'c conversations, esp. Carters mention of how he occationally meets up with an opportunity, and Teal'cs mention of his apartment back in Affinity.

Since Collateral Damage I have noticed they have been acting more and more like a team, and have enjoyed the episodes more and more lately, except for OTG, because of Cam's "Renegade" actions...

I hope to see another Gamma Site in the future, as well as a Delta or Omega Site.

This was a good episode.

Mattathias

freyr's mother
February 18th, 2006, 04:01 PM
I dont know if I'm alone on this one, but I thought The Scourge was lacking in every category of rating. I am trying to figure out why it was such a bad ep but have come up with nothing. Did anyone notice anything that could explain why the episode was so horrible?

Deejay435
February 18th, 2006, 04:13 PM
It wasn't the conversation. And, I agree that he would want to get everyone together on the Stargate program. But, it was the pushy, "Okay, don't mind if I do!" thing that just seemed wrong. She didn't have the air of someone who needed company, and she seemed like she wanted some time by herself to go over her notes, and he just invites himself there. I just got a "ooh, pretty and smart girlie that I wanna sit by and maybe we can hold hands later" vibe. Maybe if he had just asked to sit there, and she had been more open and they immediately started in on the conversation, or if they had all been sitting at the same table and started talking it wouldn't have come off that way to me.

That's not the vibe I got at all. I got more of a "Hmmm. Of all the delegates, she's the one we really have to worry about, she's the dangerous one. Can't have her sitting alone and stewing" vibe. After all, he had already told Cameron that the tour was actually about the Chinese, and not the IOA as a whole.

The_Fonz_Solo
February 18th, 2006, 04:15 PM
Meh, I thought it was ok, far from great but still entertaining, but thats beside the point, in answer to your question I think you hated it because they didnt actually solve the problem cleverly or something like that they just got beamed off the planet then released a gas, a little lack luster of an ending but what are you gonna do, if this was real, and I'm well aware that its not, they probably would solve a lot of problems like that, so lets all solute it for keeping it real, haha just kidding. Still even though the ending was lack luster I kind of liked that they were just kind of like screw it lets just clear the Planet, but I didnt like that they had a name for that plan already that seemed kind of out of place. Whatever now im just rambling
.

Deejay435
February 18th, 2006, 04:16 PM
Apparently I am the only one here who watched Tremors the seires. In an ep of TTS A group of insects that were really a hybrid of termite/ant with a smattering of randomness thrown in were eating plants, then mules, and finaly people. They traveled underground and made a loud sound when they approched. Many people have pointed out the vibration sensing commonality so I won't go into that, but did the egg thing remind anyone else of "they nest"?

I never watched the series, but I did watch the movie Tremors, and I admit, I was thinking of that movie all through Scourge. (Not that I minded, I loved Tremors in all it's cheesy, parody goodness.)

I just kept expecting them to pole vault to the research base.

KeiranFuller
February 18th, 2006, 04:17 PM
Yeah it wasn't the greatest. But one thing I did like is the character development in Woosley.

Jonzey
February 18th, 2006, 04:18 PM
I liked 'The Scourge'. Dunno why so many people didn't. I mean, I've seen what people complain about in past episodes, and this ep rectified most of them. I mean:

Annoying Mitchell - not so much in this episode
Sexing up of the show - didn't see any of that
Not going off world enough - whole ep was off world
Don't get to see the stargate - Saw it twice on earth and again on the gamma site
No teamwork - they worked as a team in this ep to accomplish their goal (plus they watched a movie afterwards- which some people seem to think it weird. but the original team with Jack did it a fair few times that we saw, and since Sam and Cam were friends beforehand, then it seems natural to me. I mean, are the other three supposed to just leave Mitchell out? or what? what was the problem with that scene?!)
Teal'c not being used much - I thought he had a lot to say in this ep
Daniel being more soldier than linguist/diplomat - he was definately playing the diplomat in this episode
The Ori are boring - well we didn't actually see them in this ep, only heard about them
Ships being used as a quick way out - kinda, but the team did have to work for it
Too much comedy - well there was a bit of friendly banter between them, but there were also scenes of people being eaten alive by bugs. doesn't look like comedy to me.

Fargater
February 18th, 2006, 04:19 PM
As usual I tried to read the whole thread before posting, but had to stop here because you said so much I agree with.



Overall... yawn.

There were some parts I liked:

Mitchell seemed less hyper and more... mature and in control, perhaps. I wasn't hoping the bugs would eat him, at any rate. This is an improvement over some past eps.... I thought the scene between him and Teal'c went pretty well.
Hmmm. Well I guess so, but I still thought it wouldn`t be any great loss either if they did. Yeah, he was a bit more mature in this one, but his comments about "babysitting" the IOA or whoever they are people were just. . . I couldn`t help thinking of something I heard long ago. "When you point your finger at someone else, there are three more pointing back at you." He`s been babysat by the rest of the team quite often himself.


There were some great Sam scenes; I liked the interaction between her and Woolsey.
Oh yeah! And I liked when Woolsey finally yelled at the hysterical French guy on her behalf.


I liked the final scene when the four of them were standing side-by-side defending the research station.


Teal'c had some great lines.


I thought the Chinese rep was interesting; I hope we see her again, and they follow up on whatever nefarious plot the Chinese government might be hatching.
Me too. I liked her and Daniel`s interaction. Some people are talking future ship there but I agree with whoever said it seemed just like the old Daniel to be the diplomat and it was nice to see the linguist also (as someone else said). My Mom happened to be awake for this ep and commented that the talking in Chinese was rude to the others (which is true) but it was nice when Cam said something which let them know you can`t be sure who`s listening/understanding your conversation.

This must be the ep they were referring to some time back when JM or someone said something about wanting to know Daniel`s history with Chinese and maybe with this woman, and also deciding whether to have Cam also know Chinese. I forget where I read it but other people will remember it too.


It was clear that they are at least trying to establish a team feel incorporating the new characters, and it didn't seem too OTT in this one, so I give them points for effort.
Yeah, I want to give them points for effort too, even though the whole movie night thing seemed a bit forced to me. And now I`m curious to see Old School. And why does Cam insist on Starship Troopers? I wish they`d said something about taking turns picking the movie and that it was his turn, otherwise I would have preferred Teal`c to cram a DVD player in his mouth to shut him up.


There were also some things that I didn't like:

The whole bug echo-location thing... um, seems to me the last place a creature that used echo-location as a defense mechanism would want to be is underground. Wouldn't their sounding mechanisms just bounce right back at them? Gee, there's something solid all around me! What is it going to not bounce off of to give a contrast? Does sound travel really well through dirt? The whole thing seemed more than a little flakey to me after the bugs went underground. I could believe it better if they were sensitive to vibration, but I don't think echo-location is the same thing, is it? Perhaps someone with a better understanding of how echo-location works can explain in detail why this made sense.
AMEN! I was thinking the EXACT same thing. Vibration would have been a much more logical explanation unless they meant they use echo-location above ground and vibration sensitivity below ground. And I was nitpicking the way the people were walking. Anyone who`s ever hunted nightcrawlers knows how sensitive earthworms are to the sensation of footfalls, even when one steps lightly. They alternated between jogging along (thud, thud) and tiptoeing.

And the bugs are charging right at Teal`c and Cam, go to ground right at their feet practically but don`t just swarm over them and eat them because. . . they stopped moving just in time for the bugs to "lose" them?
What the frell?


All those bugs formed from a single bite of meatloaf? Don't most things have to eat/drink/convert energy somehow in order to grow/multiply? Seemed more like magic to me than something plausible.
Yeah, someone else also commented on that, and I agree.

Plus the effects were stolen from the Mummy movie... Cool, but nothing I haven't seen before, and better done.
I forgot about The Mummy. It`s been ages since I saw that.


I don't know, if I had something crawling around under my skin, I would be screaming in pain in horror rather than trying to scratch it like it was some pesky mosquito.
AMEN!!!

And the whole bugs-streaming-from-the-body thing. Ummm, the guy couldn`t have been alive if they ate him entirely from the inside. No organs to sustain life. And that container wasn`t very good if it couldn`t take being dropped from a height of what? three feet? Seems to me if you`re trying to contain possible contagion you`d use a stronger container. And the body they found- how convenient that the bugs ate everything but his head, just so they could find him sort of intact. It would have been cooler if they just found his clothes. We didn`t need the extra ick factor and "SciFi Original Movie" business of them suddenly finishing him off just when they were there to see it. Oh wait. Those were supposed to have been from eggs laid inside the guy that matured and then burst out eating as they went? meh And speaking of clothes, the redshirt guy they swarmed all over right in front of the others, umm, where were his clothes? They ate them too apparently.


Weren't we just told that SG-1 have little locator beacons that the Odyssey could have searched for instead of life signs? Gosh, if the locator beacons were associated with life signs standing in a cave a ways away from all the other clusters of life signs, you'd think they might have considered the fact that SG-1 was still alive. But I guess the locator beacons are going to be like numerous other cheap plot devices that will come and go and be used or not used at the writers' whims.
<<sigh>>
Yeah.


Did they HAVE to make it the woman who fell down and hurt her ankle at the end in order to slow them down and increase the dramatic tension? How cliche' is that? Or was it supposed to be a bonding moment between her and Daniel? Well, it still made me roll my eyes.
Yeah, that got me a bit, but then I saw those ridiculous shoes she was wearing and told myself it was great for her that she got as far as she did in them.


Asgard beaming technology to the last-second rescue... AGAIN. C'mon, this is getting really boring and predictable.
AMEN AMEN.
The only thing to wonder about was how many inches the bugs would be from their feet before they got beamed up. Would have been nicer if a few bugs got on them just as they were getting beamed so they`d get a few bites at least.

gamer83
February 18th, 2006, 04:23 PM
Anyone know what that Chineese Ambassidor was alluding to when she grilled Daniel about if the US would follow China's lead had the tables been turned? She made it seem as if the Chineese were about to enact some changes. The way she worded it, it almost seemed like she was insinuating some sort of time travel to put the gate in Chineese control....could they have recovered the Alteran time ship in this timeline?

AGateFan
February 18th, 2006, 04:26 PM
Mitchell and the French guy didnt get eaten. As I see it that was two problems with the episode ;)

gamer83
February 18th, 2006, 04:26 PM
^^NM, just saw the other thread.

Fargater
February 18th, 2006, 04:30 PM
As soon as they all left the Research Center, I thought "that lady is going to trip in her high heels."
heh heh
Your eye is better than mine. Didn`t notice the shoes until they undoubtedly caused her to trip and fall.


Loved when Woosley was running with his shirt hanging out.

I enjoyed watching this episode, but got tired of the guns. Did they all have to fire at once? Couldn't they conserve ammo? And I hope that was the last "beam them out at the last second" episode.
Oh, yeah, that was another thing Mom and I were both saying about the ammo. Which is funny because Mom usually nods off and doesn`t really watch the show but stayed awake for whatever reason this time. And we both said, after the big BOOMs with the C-4, that should do for a bit, but they were blazing away with the guns also. Didn`t seem very prudent after the "almost out of ammo" comment.

Maj_Cliffhanger
February 18th, 2006, 04:38 PM
Okay, someone please tell me I heard wrong...

When the Chinese delegate greets Daniel she rattles off his creditials, saying he has PhDs in Archeaology, Anthropology and... I could swear she said 'Phrenology'! Reading the bumps on people's heads?!! No... I HAD to have heard that wrong. Yet, I know it wasn't Egyptology or Linguistics...

What did she actually say? HELP!

Dani347
February 18th, 2006, 04:46 PM
No, it was philology.

From Websters.com:
n : the humanistic study of language and literature

Dani347
February 18th, 2006, 04:50 PM
That's not the vibe I got at all. I got more of a "Hmmm. Of all the delegates, she's the one we really have to worry about, she's the dangerous one. Can't have her sitting alone and stewing" vibe. After all, he had already told Cameron that the tour was actually about the Chinese, and not the IOA as a whole.

Hmm, except if I was her, I'd be extremely annoyed with this guy, no matter what I knew about his credentials, just plopping himself down by me when I was giving off I want some time alone signals. I think it's just as bad to force someone to interact with you when they want to be alone. The least he could have done was take the time to ask if she minded if he sat there. She probably would have said yes, just to be polite, and then he could have sat down. I just found it annoying, and I don't really like finding Daniel annoying.

Maj_Cliffhanger
February 18th, 2006, 04:57 PM
No, it was philology.

From Websters.com:
n : the humanistic study of language and literature

Thank you Dani347! That makes so much more sense - and actually works better than the 'linguistics' I'd been expecting as it helps explain his indepth knowledge of so much mythology.
:daniel:

Uber
February 18th, 2006, 04:58 PM
Hmm, except if I was her, I'd be extremely annoyed with this guy, no matter what I knew about his credentials, just plopping himself down by me when I was giving off I want some time alone signals. I think it's just as bad to force someone to interact with you when they want to be alone. The least he could have done was take the time to ask if she minded if he sat there. She probably would have said yes, just to be polite, and then he could have sat down. I just found it annoying, and I don't really like finding Daniel annoying.I would agree except for the fact that they seemed to have established a rapport before and even joked around. She didn't seemed offput to me but she knew who Daniel was and why he was there...so she took it all in stride.

Fargater
February 18th, 2006, 05:06 PM
I saw it that way, too. In the midst of a PR mission, the last thing you want is for one of the people to whom you are trying to sell the mission to sit off by themselves. He was a bit abrupt to just invite himself to sit down, but he also recognized that it was his job to try to improve relations and make a connection with the representative of the Chinese government.
Yeah, this assessment works for me. I agree with you and UberSG-1Fan.

Shep
February 18th, 2006, 05:13 PM
i enjoyed the hell out of it. it was fun and had lots of team interaction.

MasterPower
February 18th, 2006, 05:26 PM
Sucked? No way! I thought it was pretty good.

Tok'Ra Hostess
February 18th, 2006, 05:26 PM
A good ep. Lots of tension. The bugs and their effect on "meat" was suitably frightening without going gruesome. Their situation put me constantly in mind of the fanfic Night Terrors... though the ep wasn't nearly as good as that fic, mind you. ;)

The opening scene didn't inspire me with confidence. All that exposition and swaggering and talk of babysitting; gah! I hate it when they do that.

I did throughly enjoy the little convo between Daniel and the Chinese liason, and then Cam saying,"that's not funny" (I assume?) in flawless(to me) mandarin. :P

But the absolute high point for the entire ep had to be Sam talking to Wolsley. FINALLY! It's about time that character got dialogue with a backbone to it. This is how I've always seen Sam, in my mind. Please, boys at Bridge, give us more of this Sam!

I liked the Gamma site staff, the soldiers and the scientists, and it's always a treat to see Lee. :)

Movie night, huh? Kwel! :)

DragonGate
February 18th, 2006, 05:46 PM
I liked this one pretty well over-all, thought Landry's line about keeping them up past ten and reading a bedtime story wa funny.

But the scene with Daniel and the Chinese ambassador, I saw it differently. It came across to me as Cameron tried to say something in Chinese and it ended up being a bad word, from the way they looked at him.

Daniel's_twin
February 18th, 2006, 05:57 PM
I got the feeling that they had said something kinda mocking about him, thinking he knew nothing, and then he came back at them with something mocking about them, too. They were just shocked, and a little embarassed. :danielanime05: :cool:

PG15
February 18th, 2006, 06:18 PM
Ack! I hate bugs! But they were used to great effect in this episode. No super-grossouts, just fun little creepy crawlies.

Overall, solid episode. 4/5

binkpmmc
February 18th, 2006, 06:28 PM
Did they all have to fire at once? Couldn't they conserve ammo?


Oh, yeah, that was another thing Mom and I were both saying about the ammo. Which is funny because Mom usually nods off and doesn`t really watch the show but stayed awake for whatever reason this time. And we both said, after the big BOOMs with the C-4, that should do for a bit, but they were blazing away with the guns also. Didn`t seem very prudent after the "almost out of ammo" comment.

That last scene of them defending the research tent threw me off because even though Carter had been inside most of the time and was not shooting near as much as Daniel, Teal'c and Mitchell her gun just happened to run out of ammo at the same exact time as the others so they all had to use their sidearms (and how convenient that this time around they all had handguns as opposed to the zats that the Carter and Teal'c usually have in every episode I can remember since they found the Zats, at least until this one). Plot devices, lazy writing, lack of continuity, convenience, it really doesn't matter anymore because, in addition to the big messes there are, it is clear to me that TPTB are missing something this season.

binkpmmc
February 18th, 2006, 06:35 PM
Another thing I noticed that made Ethon look even sillier was that the Colonel at the Gamma site was clearly in charge and made the decisions and ordered SG1 and others when necessary. On the Prommie in Ethon that whole scene with Carter and Mitchell and the indecision while Daniel was on the planet was just so contrived, looked ridiculous and was out of character for everyone and made no sense since Pendergast should have been the one in charge - he was the full bird and he was the Commander of the Prommie and just like the Colonel in charge at Gamma site, Pendergast should have made the decisions in Ethon, just like he has always been in charge on the Prommie in past eps he and the ship appeared in. Again, lazy, plot device, contrived writing by these guys - it is sad to watch as they move from episode to episode these days and write to contradict themselves all over the place and to contradict canon and history because it suits them and makes it easier to be a lazy writer.

uknesvuinng
February 18th, 2006, 07:01 PM
Well, the episode brought the entertainment. The story was lacking, but it was entertaining. But that may be the result of me lowering my expectations and just wanting to laugh.

Now, about the story... WHY DID THEY BLOW UP THE F-302's? That could have been a wonderful escape not involving beaming. But no, they blow it up 5 minutes after suggesting it, and revert to beaming them out at the last second, AGAIN. It's not good when beaming out is used in 2 episodes when the ship involved has only been around for as many episodes. Will they beam out every episode now? Maybe we can start having a pool, wagering on when they will beam out in each episode.

Mitchell was smart for once, but that seemed to require other characters to become extremely stupid. Especially the French ambassador. In that position, I would have been sorely tempted to chunk him out of the cave and tell him to make his own way out. He might have served as a useful distraction, and towards the end when he was throwing his tantrum, I don't think anyone else would have complained.

Scarym1
February 18th, 2006, 07:28 PM
Even tho I hate bugs with a passion, I loved this ep. I love the whole team interaction. I found this ep to be quite exciting. The bugs were super creepy. Dr. Lee rocks!!! I really like the scene at the end when Daniel asks if they are still on for movie night. I hope Mitchell was joking when he said STARSHIP TROOPERS because that movie REALLY, REALLY SUCKED.

DEM
February 18th, 2006, 07:32 PM
Now, about the story... WHY DID THEY BLOW UP THE F-302's? That could have been a wonderful escape not involving beaming.Nah, that would have involved actual intrigue and peril. Plus it would have been harder to write.


Maybe we can start having a pool, wagering on when they will beam out in each episode.Hey! We should do this! Can we do this? Anyone? Bueller? :crickets:

RealmOfX
February 18th, 2006, 07:39 PM
A watchable episode, not great but watchable - I'll give it 3 out of 5 stars.

What I liked :
- Good acting from everyone
- Good directing (didn't this guy do Ethon too?)
- Tree ferrets !!!! Loved that Mitchell line to the token idiot french guy and Sam's reaction to it.
- Woolsey and Sam interaction
- Polite but snarky Sam. Especially with Woolsey but also after the tree ferret bit where she snuck an extra "we're almost there" to annoy the french bloke.
- Dr Lee (I look forward to his occasional appearances)
- Tamlyn Tomita - but when I saw those heels <Yes Fargater I saw them too> I just knew a busted ankle was in the future. Nobody but Scully can run in the bush with heels like that!! Actually I'd like to see more of this character and maybe further development of the Chinese interests in the Stargate.
- Landry. The general is shaping up into a decent character.

What I didn't like :
- Ho hum story line - I am really tired of "These week's homage to ......". So this week it was "The Mummy" with a nod to "Tremors" and maybe "Aliens".
- no subtitles for the exchange in Chinese. Did they actually want the fans to get the joke?? Or were they hinting at unknown Mitchell capabilities?
- where's the staff weapon for Teal'c and zats as side arm's?????? Are they trying to play down Goa'uld influences or were the Earth weapons necessary to support the weak "concussive force of our weapons" plot line. Damn - they were down to empty pistols by the time they were beamed out just in the nick of time.
- pathetic Gamma Base self destruct. Anyone remember when the Alpha Site went kablooey in season 7????? Now that was a blast!

what I'm fence sitting on :
- Mitchell. He was much better in this episode, very toned down. Still don't like what they are doing with him, but he is improving.
- the murky chain of command. If I didn't know that Mitchell was the leader of SG1 I wouldn't have been able to see it. (NO I don't subscribe to the co-command BS that JM fed us here at Gateworld - no such thing). There was one subtle part during the tree ferret bit (Yes I really liked the ferret comment - it really appealed to my warped sense of humour), Sam glanced at Mitchell. Now was that a (1) do you want to handle this idiot or do I glance or was it (2) I'm not in command but can I handle this situation please glance? Option (2) was something Sam occassionally did with O'Neill and Hammond, where she felt she had info/experience to handle a question/situation but technically she should not speak out of turn. How did other people see it?

And lastly another question :
Anyone know what the red shirt passed to Sam at the beginning of the walk to the research station? Looked like papers of some kind.

Dani347
February 18th, 2006, 07:52 PM
There was one subtle part during the tree ferret bit (Yes I really liked the ferret comment - it really appealed to my warped sense of humour), Sam glanced at Mitchell. Now was that a (1) do you want to handle this idiot or do I glance or was it (2) I'm not in command but can I handle this situation please glance? Option (2) was something Sam occassionally did with O'Neill and Hammond, where she felt she had info/experience to handle a question/situation but technically she should not speak out of turn. How did other people see it?



Do you mean the fleeting smirk she gave him after the tree ferret comment? I thought it was her not laughing at him making up a predator just to get the French guy up and moving. "You came up with tree ferrets?"

I have a question. Right when Sam went outside to help with the shooting, what did the French guy say to her? All I could make out was something about the bugs.

PG15
February 18th, 2006, 07:59 PM
I have a question. Right when Sam went outside to help with the shooting, what did the French guy say to her? All I could make out was something about the bugs.

I think it was "How long do you think they can hold back the bugs?"

AGateFan
February 18th, 2006, 08:03 PM
Do you mean the fleeting smirk she gave him after the tree ferret comment? I thought it was her not laughing at him making up a predator just to get the French guy up and moving. "You came up with tree ferrets?"

I have a question. Right when Sam went outside to help with the shooting, what did the French guy say to her? All I could make out was something about the bugs.
Baubuauau ba?
Thats what I heard.

JUNIOR
February 18th, 2006, 08:07 PM
This Episode was definitely good in my opinion but I would had like to have seen some of the other projects that they were working on.

RealmOfX
February 18th, 2006, 08:13 PM
SNIP

I have a question. Right when Sam went outside to help with the shooting, what did the French guy say to her? All I could make out was something about the bugs.

It was "How long can they hold off the bugs" - loved the look she gave the idiot.

JUNIOR
February 18th, 2006, 08:32 PM
I dont know if I'm alone on this one, but I thought The Scourge was lacking in every category of rating. I am trying to figure out why it was such a bad ep but have come up with nothing. Did anyone notice anything that could explain why the episode was so horrible?


You’re not alone but I think you and whoever else completely hated this episode are the minority on the GW forum at least on this particular episode. Just a quick question though did you like ep16? Or did you think that was horrible as well.

majorsal
February 18th, 2006, 08:37 PM
It's not the sound they are attracted to, it's the vibrations the sounds create since most insects of that nature are deaf because they don't have ears. The vibrations can mean food is walking nearby or there is danger such as an earthquake/land slide or other dangerous disruptions that create vibrations.

which was why it was *so* stupid to start running when they saw the radio hut/research station in sight! :rolleyes: the meaty bugs wouldn't have attacked if they'd just kept up their 'gentle on the ground' pace.




sally :)

DEM
February 18th, 2006, 08:43 PM
plus they watched a movie afterwards- which some people seem to think it weird. but the original team with Jack did it a fair few times that we sawThey did? Please remind me. Honestly asking here.

(The only semi-relevant example I can think of is Ascension which, IMO, doesn't count: It was clear that O'Neill & Teal'c's visit to Carter's house was an unusual and unexpected event.)

majorsal
February 18th, 2006, 08:45 PM
I'm so lethargic that I can't be bothered to be original. chocdoc's post sums up pretty much exactly how I felt about the ep.

The Teal'c/Mitchell dynamic is interesting; they seem to be going for 'realistic' bonding with all of its fits and starts. If so, that's great, but it still feels sort of awkward and forced and inauthentic. I can't pinpoint exactly why it feels that way, but I think it has something to do with the weird, paradoxical (and dare I say it, nonsensical), characterisation of Mitchell as New Guy who nevertheless Knows Everything (or, relatedly, Irritating Guy Who Everyone Likes).

For example, there was a scene in which the entire group was walking through the forest. I think Carter was explaining something, and then Mitchell jumped into the conversation and recited a somewhat obscure factoid having to do with the SGC or Gate travel, and it struck me that it would be so much better if he didn't know those sorts of things. I'll have to go back later and find the scene -- assuming I can work up the energy. They did this sort of thing with Jonas, too, but at least I liked everything else about Jonas, and -- most importantly -- Jonas was not the CO.

I guess I just don't understand why Mitchell was given a pilot's background rather than an SGC background. Oh, because then it would have been harder to explain why we'd never seen nor heard of Wonderboy before. In any case, despite the fact that I didn't feel like shooting Mitchell as often as I usually do, these sorts of moments jumped out at me and irritated me no end. I wouldn't be surprised if we learn later that Mitchell learned Chinese as part of the Mission-Gone-Bad (Collateral Damage) because, in addition to his pilot duties, he was needed for covert ground ops as well. :rolleyes:

Getting back to that scene. Actually, it might have been more than one scene in the walking sequence. Mitchell has a tendency to jump in and take over someone else's place in a conversation, and most often (at least in The Scourge) that person is Carter. I don't like that. Tapping, as great as she was, was noticably pushed back in many scenes to make way for BB's Mitchell. Likewise, the direction, as good as it was, often became awkward when it had to work out ways to make BB front and centre at the head of the column... and then front and centre of action taking place in the middle of the column. Now, obviously I can't know if this was lousy writing, a fallout of actor's contracts, or subtle characterisation (i.e., 'Mitchell's a know-it-all'), but it bugged. There are two Lt. Colonel's on the team -- only one of whom has had significant GROUND OPERATIONS/ OFFWORLD TRAVEL experience -- and even though the EXPERIENCED LC isn't the one who gets lines in every damn scene and THE BIGGEST GUN [my god, how trite], that LC ought to be be afforded the respect of handling the minor questions raised by the ambassadors.

Now that I think about it, the shuffling around happened a lot throughout the episode.



i have the same issues. ;)





sally :)

Tenaka
February 18th, 2006, 08:47 PM
I hope Mitchell was joking when he said STARSHIP TROOPERS because that movie REALLY, REALLY SUCKED.I just took that as an attempt on a joke, being that Starship Troopers was all about bugs that kill people. *shrugs*

Beal
February 18th, 2006, 08:47 PM
Seems to me like alot of this episode was just an excuse to fire off the guns, and the ship beam out thing to solve everyproblem is getting a bit overused.

DEM
February 18th, 2006, 09:05 PM
the murky chain of command. If I didn't know that Mitchell was the leader of SG1 I wouldn't have been able to see it. (NO I don't subscribe to the co-command BS that JM fed us here at Gateworld - no such thing).Hmm, I can understand not liking the idea because it's not true to life, but it seems to me that the onscreen murkiness indicates that something unusual is going on in the writing wrt this issue, no?


There was one subtle part during the tree ferret bit [where] Sam glanced at Mitchell. Now was that a (1) do you want to handle this idiot or do I glanceI saw it as something like that. Mitchell clearly didn't want to respond to LaPierre's continued stubbornness. Carter & Mitchell shared a look of mutual exasperation and then Sam continued her prodding. When logic didn't get through to him, Mitchell appealed to his fear. Of tree ferrets.


Baubuauau ba?BWAH! That's what I heard the first time, too! ;)

Quinn Mallory
February 18th, 2006, 09:10 PM
Quite an enjoyable episode for one that I didn't think would be that exciting. It rised above my expectation that it would just be a cheap bug horror movie ripoff episode.

Gamma site was interesting and the connections to the past few episodes were good. Having the Cam speaking Chinese was interesting (wonder if he really knows it or just know how to curse).

Odyssey to the rescue was a bit predictable and I would've liked Carter do something a bit more amazing than just boost the radio signal in this one. Chatter between Cam and Teal'c was good; I think they should be roommates.

I wonder if the "contraversial Daniel arc" that may be in S10 involved Daniel working for the Chinese government.

Bobthespirit
February 18th, 2006, 09:24 PM
I don't know..everyone who's defending the episode is saying how good the character interaction was...

I found the dialogue a little forced, hackneyed, and completely incidental to anything else that was going on.

That guy who kept whining about everything was downright embarassing, the Chinese girl's interaction was Daniel felt tacked on and pointless. Woolsey's was okay, but it was also completely predictable. It's like they want us to hate him and sympathize with him at the same time -- just like in every other appearance he's made. He's the guy who's wrong, obnoxious, and annoying, but has a good heart. They need to make him more than that, since he's such an interesting character, and Robert Picardo is so good at portraying him.

I honestly think it's between this, Avenger 2.0, and Emancipation for worst episode in the series.

majorsal
February 18th, 2006, 09:28 PM
I was getting some serious Jack vibes from Carter in her scene with Woolsey. And I mean that in a good way. Her refusal to sugarcoat the situation and her cynicism regarding the whole turn of events really reminded me of how O'niell would have dealt with both the situation and the delegates.



now that you mention it, yeah. and i like that!

they're not giving much (any!) character growth for sam this season, so to think that she's matured (and i use that word literally) into someone a bit more cynical and snarky... you go girl! but i also saw a calm demeanor when everyone else was freaking out.

i hope to see more of this side of sam. BUT, not just for the sake of it.




sally :)

Ascended Times.2
February 18th, 2006, 09:47 PM
Seems to me like alot of this episode was just an excuse to fire off the guns, and the ship beam out thing to solve everyproblem is getting a bit overused.
True, but come on people, if you had a giant ship capable of beaming you out of any situation, wouldn't you use it!? I know I would! Hell, if I ever saw the a hint of trouble, i'd call the SGC and say "Get the Odyssey here, we'll need some of that beaming magic."

Oh well, I personally liked this episode, although, the fact that they didn't seem to rememebr they had locator beacons on them was a little worrying, and those bugs...*Squirms*

tony
February 18th, 2006, 09:53 PM
They where saving the shows money for the big space battle for the final episode of season 9 duh :)

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
February 18th, 2006, 09:53 PM
They did? Please remind me. Honestly asking here.

(The only semi-relevant example I can think of is Ascension which, IMO, doesn't count: It was clear that O'Neill & Teal'c's visit to Carter's house was an unusual and unexpected event.)
Yeah, but we know O'Neill is a Star Trek fan. Teal'c is probably a Star Trek fan, having watched Star Wars more times than humanly possible (being a Jaffa) and being close friends with O'Neill. We can assume, therefore, that at some point in the last eight years, they have spent some time together watching movies or shows (O'Neill and Teal'c).
As for O'Neill, Teal'c, and Carter, together, it is possible that they did watch movies together occasionally - and we know Carter's a sucker for alien style sci-fi movies, "wanting to see how close they are to getting it right."

However, the group movie thing may be an affectionate nod to the fanfiction community, which frequently writes fanfics centered around a group out-of-base bonding activity.

rarocks24
February 18th, 2006, 09:55 PM
It was okay....well not really...every time I see Carter it seems she changed, or has changed. She seemed a little hopeless in this episode (bordering on the wanting to die type).

Dani347
February 18th, 2006, 10:02 PM
She didn't come off to me as wanting to die. Just as someone who wasn't going to sugarcoat things to make people feel better.

majorsal
February 18th, 2006, 10:22 PM
2) Amanda Tapping rocked the house, especially in the latter scenes where she was afforded room to move. Great work.



i love the way you put that and SO agree! :D just give amanda the tools and she'll build you an oscar worthy scene! yes, i love her




sally :)

majorsal
February 18th, 2006, 10:43 PM
Hmmm. Well I guess so, but I still thought it wouldn`t be any great loss either if they did. Yeah, he was a bit more mature in this one, but his comments about "babysitting" the IOA or whoever they are people were just. . . I couldn`t help thinking of something I heard long ago. "When you point your finger at someone else, there are three more pointing back at you." He`s been babysat by the rest of the team quite often himself.



LOL! yep! :p that's the first thing that came to mind when i was watching that scene



sally :)

Agent_Dark
February 18th, 2006, 10:51 PM
She didn't come off to me as wanting to die. Just as someone who wasn't going to sugarcoat things to make people feel better.
Yeah same. She was simply stating the facts.

the fifth man
February 18th, 2006, 10:52 PM
I just got done rewatching "The Scourge" a little while ago. And I, as usual, liked it even better on the second viewing. I really enjoyed the team chemistry in this one. Mitchell, in my opinion, is starting to really fit in quite well with the rest of his team.

majorsal
February 18th, 2006, 11:43 PM
She didn't come off to me as wanting to die. Just as someone who wasn't going to sugarcoat things to make people feel better.

especially considering the jerks she was dealing with (OIA). they were literally out to get the sgc, so why should she sugarcoat anything when they *needed* to see the reality and importance of the stargate program?

i'm glad she was rough with them, because they needed to get their hypocritical heads out of their a$$es and see the truth.



sally :)

mother-goose
February 19th, 2006, 01:32 AM
I forgot to mention earlier...

...The comedy! This has beena bone of contention all series and i reckon this ep had it sorted. Dry quips, straight faces, wry smiles, it was much better. And the starship troopers line at the end, very clever, the rest know its relevance, the audiance too, but not teal'c and im glad they kept it that way.

I also liked the way that once they were back and they survived they were over it, time for movie night, it shows that yeh it was a close one but ya know, that was it, it was a another mission, no point dwelling on it, and thats how its gotta be, they cant get bogged down thinkingl about bad missions becuase they'll get all depressed and be a liability.

movie night, also a good one, shows they are friends out side of work so to speak, something that was mention in off the grid it just seemed like they were thrown together at the last min not knowing each other.

one minor niggle, the odessy (sorry if the sp is wrong) yes, beaming them out this time was a good idea, and they fact the delegates went first i liked BUT they have gotta stop beaming them out of sticky situations! this time it was acceptable, but in off the grid there was no need, but now they are ruining it when its a good idea :D

Jonzey
February 19th, 2006, 03:51 AM
They did? Please remind me. Honestly asking here.

(The only semi-relevant example I can think of is Ascension which, IMO, doesn't count: It was clear that O'Neill & Teal'c's visit to Carter's house was an unusual and unexpected event.)
Ok, I don't have my dvd's with me so I gotta do it off the top of my head:

The Curse - Teal'c and O'Neill fishing trip
Ascension - Even without Carter, it was still Teal'c and Jack
That one when Jack invites Sam on the fishing trip (I think at the end of s4)
Upgrades - when they go to the steak place
End of season 5 - when they all go some place to eat (I think)
Lost City - When they all go to Jack's house
Threads/Moebius - fishing trip

And maybe some more.

But it was different with Jack really because he was first and foremost their leader. Cam was friends with Sam before he joined sg1, so it seems more natural their friendship would be more like that (remember his comment in Avalon about buying her breakfast when she gets back).

scarimor
February 19th, 2006, 04:20 AM
Quote:Originally Posted by uknesvuinng
Now, about the story... WHY DID THEY BLOW UP THE F-302's? That could have been a wonderful escape not involving beaming.

Nah, that would have involved actual intrigue and peril. Plus it would have been harder to write.

Harder to write :rolleyes: and more expensive than the beaming effect.

Question: How many people can one fit in a F-302?

scarimor
February 19th, 2006, 04:43 AM
I thought this episode was fair; not good, not bad, but ok and a heck of a lot better than the last one. The pace was reasonable and the representation of time, distance, weariness etc. was fine - use of sky/scenery shots, character's showing the effects of wear... standard but effective fare which was so lacking in Off the Grid.

Teal'c had the best line:

Teal'c: That will not be necessary.
Mitchell: What are friends for?
Teal'c: For understanding it will not be necessary when told it will not be necessary. :cameron08: :tealcanime23:

I liked Carter's interaction with Woolsey, especially the pep-talk bit. It was great the way she kept a constant low strong voice through all her conversations - AT thinks what she's doing.

The bugs were nicely done - although their noise, er, bugged me; must have been intentional ;) They went from echo-location (sonar, like bats) to sensitivity to sound (vibrations?) through the ground? ok, they're artificially engineered, they turn herbivore to carnivore when they like too, doesn't matter. Just don't shout or jump about... anyone else expect Carter to warn "wormsign!" and Teal'c to whisper "Shai-Hulud!"? :cool:

Another last-second beam-out seems a bit much twice in a row, but at least there were obstacles to overcome in order to make the beaming work.

While the pace of the episode in general was ok, I didn't get the same sense of immediate desperation which comes through the replicator episodes. Given that the idea of being eaten alive is particularly nasty, a bit more urgency could have shone through.

macktheknife
February 19th, 2006, 04:57 AM
I said to myself "I hope that random airforce guy does'nt get redshirted", then about 3.5 seconds later they showed the bugs inside his neck. Poor guy.

Callie
February 19th, 2006, 06:01 AM
Shen: Your Chinese is supposed to be quite good.
Daniel: Not as good as your English.
Shen: Of course. What about him?
Daniel: We are still teaching him.
Cam: Go to hell.

Courtesy of Athenaktt on http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/SG1_Transcripts/

DEM
February 19th, 2006, 06:18 AM
Question: How many people can one fit in a F-302?
I believe the answer is two; which is why: 1) ferrying the advisors would have involved more cleverness and peril, and 2) Carter, rather than Daniel, should have gone on the retrieval trip. However, Carter in the cave was so fab that I'm willing to forgive.

Edited to add: Someone smartly pointed out in another thread that, should anything have gone wrong in the retrieval of the jets, Carter would have been better equipped than Daniel to protect the advisors and get them off the planet.

AGateFan
February 19th, 2006, 06:28 AM
It was okay....well not really...every time I see Carter it seems she changed, or has changed. She seemed a little hopeless in this episode (bordering on the wanting to die type).
I just got the impression she really understood how scrwd they were, and no one else did. Unlike Mckay however instead of freaking out while trying to find the solution she held it in while trying to find a solution and was probably annoyed by all the interruptions to her train of thought by a bunch of little kids who had no clue about the seriousness of the situation.

Also, I still want to know when Woolsey will get his medal for saving SG-1's collective azes by crying and stomping his feet and insisting that they be the ones to escort them to the surface.

jckfan55
February 19th, 2006, 07:00 AM
I just got the impression she really understood how scrwd they were, and no one else did. Unlike Mckay however instead of freaking out while trying to find the solution she held it in while trying to find a solution and was probably annoyed by all the interruptions to her train of thought by a bunch of little kids who had no clue about the seriousness of the situation.


I agree. I loved her calm demeanor and leadership quality throughout the episode.
Even if they were a bit cliche and you knew SG1 would survive, the man eating bugs did seem kind of threatening. I mean, who wants to get eaten alive by insects. Ick!
I noticed they went for a very choreographed lineup at the end with all of them with handguns. Carter starts with a two handed grip, then switches--to match with the guys' one handed firing?

mother-goose
February 19th, 2006, 07:17 AM
Shen: Your Chinese is supposed to be quite good.
Daniel: Not as good as your English.
Shen: Of course. What about him?
Daniel: We are still teaching him.
Cam: Go to hell.

Courtesy of Athenaktt on http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/SG1_Transcripts/

ahhhh wondered why they looked so surprised lol

kazzyk
February 19th, 2006, 07:36 AM
SG-1 takes on crazed meatloaf! Dumb--so very dumb :(

scarimor
February 19th, 2006, 07:48 AM
I just got the impression she really understood how scrwd they were, and no one else did. Unlike Mckay however instead of freaking out while trying to find the solution she held it in while trying to find a solution and was probably annoyed by all the interruptions to her train of thought by a bunch of little kids who had no clue about the seriousness of the situation.

Yes, she was quiet and determined and kept her head... even when one of her charges had a tantrum in the cave she kept a lid on it (and on him).


Also, I still want to know when Woolsey will get his medal for saving SG-1's collective azes by crying and stomping his feet and insisting that they be the ones to escort them to the surface.

Good ol' Woolsey, I really liked him in this ep. He has developed into a more rounded character during his last appearances and I'm enjoying that (I like Picardo). And he did make the right call - standing up to the base commander to get what was best for his group. It was also a cool touch when he made the tantrummy chap stop harrassing Carter so she could saves their butts.

Deejay435
February 19th, 2006, 08:19 AM
Hmm, except if I was her, I'd be extremely annoyed with this guy, no matter what I knew about his credentials, just plopping himself down by me when I was giving off I want some time alone signals. I think it's just as bad to force someone to interact with you when they want to be alone. The least he could have done was take the time to ask if she minded if he sat there. She probably would have said yes, just to be polite, and then he could have sat down. I just found it annoying, and I don't really like finding Daniel annoying.

Well yes, I do think it was kind of rude. But Daniel can get kind of focused when he's gone all "diplomatic mission' guy. I don't think he means to be rude. Though, admittedly, foisting oneself on the person with whom you're trying to bridge a diplomatic tie doesn't seem quite the right way to go. But Daniel is good at reading people, I think he knew she wouldn't take offense.


She didn't come off to me as wanting to die. Just as someone who wasn't going to sugarcoat things to make people feel better.

That's how I saw it too. Not to mention being the only person in the cave that had a real grasp of the true peril of their situation. Hell of a burden to be carrying, especially with some idiot telling her she should be thinking about his 'needs'.

entil2001
February 19th, 2006, 12:23 PM
I found the premise behind this episode to be interesting, especially in terms of how it adds to the methods of the Priory of the Ori. Considering how they’ve used genetically engineered viruses to punish worlds that defy Origin, it makes sense that they would have some other genetically engineered tricks up their sleeve.

Conceptually, I like the bugs. I like that they spread quickly and eradicate a world’s food supply, and then rapidly attack the weakened and helpless population. It has a certain brutal elegance to it, taking Biblical-style plagues and rendering them unto reality. The fact that the bugs even look like scarabs is conceptually fitting.

I’m also pleased that the IOA is getting involved, and that they are becoming as much of a hassle as earlier episodes in the season promised they would be. Once the genie was out of the proverbial bottle, it was just a matter of time before the Stargate Program came under excessive scrutiny. And when it comes in the form of Tamlyn Tomita, well, that’s all the better!

Unfortunately, the episode itself didn’t quite live up to its potential. I was a little disappointed to learn that the IOA representatives were ultimately rather positive in their assessment of the program. Frankly, as annoying as it can be, it’s better when the SGC is under political siege, and Woolsey is a nice link between the latter days of the NID and the current IOA criticisms.

The biggest problem, however, was the eventual treatment of the bug infestation on the planet. It was fine when the bugs were overwhelming the Gamma Site, but once the action turned to the planet itself, it became clear that budgetary restrictions were getting in the way. I can only assume that it cost too much to have the bugs in every scene where they would have worked, but there had to be a better solution than having the cast shoot at the ground.

The writers did what they could with those limitations, but it led to a number of inconsistencies. I was especially impressed when the carnivorous bugs completely ignored Mitchell and Teal’c, even though they were exposed and inches away. And then there’s the fact that sometimes the bugs tracked them underfoot and ate them, tracked them and didn’t eat them, ignored them during miles of hiking, etc. Even taking situational logic into account, it was awfully convenient plotting.

This is one of those episodes, at least for me, which would have been failed utterly without the connections to the overarching plot elements of the season. If it wasn’t for the implications of more success for the Ori and trouble with the IOA (though less than I was hoping for), this would have been a lot more disappointing.

Jonzey
February 19th, 2006, 01:06 PM
The writers did what they could with those limitations, but it led to a number of inconsistencies. I was especially impressed when the carnivorous bugs completely ignored Mitchell and Teal’c, even though they were exposed and inches away. And then there’s the fact that sometimes the bugs tracked them underfoot and ate them, tracked them and didn’t eat them, ignored them during miles of hiking, etc. Even taking situational logic into account, it was awfully convenient plotting.

The bugs used some kind of echo or vibrational sensing, meaning if they were standing still or walking slowly, the bugs wouldn't be able to sense them as easily (they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a stationary human being and a tree).

nccjones
February 19th, 2006, 01:37 PM
I think what is taking a lot away from the show for me is that so much of it seems forced between the characters and out of place, the opening teaser (which was not just forced but lame), the Teal'c/Mitchell scene, the end re: movie night - puhleeze, . . . . oh forget it it's not worth my time.

I thought I was the only one who was feeling this way. The movie night was OTT to me. But I liked Teal'c's response to Mitchell when he said "what are friends for?" I thought it was a great shut up line to Mitchell.

Mitchell really made me angry again in the beginning when he and Daniel were arguing in the hall and he pretty much told Daniel that his idea's were wrong because he is "always right".

nccjones
February 19th, 2006, 01:44 PM
If you knew that Mitchell getting eaten by the bugs would guarantee Jack returning in his spot, would you wish that upon him? Something I just thought of, and sadly, yes I would wish it.

Heck...I just wish he was eaten by the bugs - Jack or no Jack.

Uber
February 19th, 2006, 01:50 PM
Heck...I just wish he was eaten by the bugs - Jack or no Jack.Oh I don't want him eaten by bugs...that's a ghastly way to die...but since he seems so determined to go out in a blaze of impetuous, heroic glory, I say give him what he wants.

nccjones
February 19th, 2006, 02:14 PM
That last scene of them defending the research tent threw me off because even though Carter had been inside most of the time and was not shooting near as much as Daniel, Teal'c and Mitchell her gun just happened to run out of ammo at the same exact time as the others so they all had to use their sidearms (and how convenient that this time around they all had handguns as opposed to the zats that the Carter and Teal'c usually have in every episode I can remember since they found the Zats, at least until this one). Plot devices, lazy writing, lack of continuity, convenience, it really doesn't matter anymore because, in addition to the big messes there are, it is clear to me that TPTB are missing something this season.

That's too funny! I caught that too. I was like, wait, she should still have ammo because her gun was with her all the time, yet she started shooting with her 9 mm the same time the rest did.

I have to add though, I really enjoyed AT's moments in this episode. Many are saying that her realistic view is a castoff of Jack but I don't believe so. I was just watching the episode where she and Jack are stuck in Antartica and it was she who was constantly being the realist about their situation and the fact that Earth would have no way finding them through the gate. I always felt that Carter was the realist due to her scientific background.

Daniel and Shen. I didn't see any ship. A possibility yes, but not obvious ship. I saw him as having an intellectual interest in her and the fact he realized that she was important to future relations between the Chinese and American governments.

Woolsey was amazing! I love Robert Picardo. I hated how his character was an a** the last time, so I'm glad he was redeemed in at least a small way this time.

Overall, not a bad episode after a second viewing. But I just hate how "I'm" letting Mitchell ruin it for me.

Dani347
February 19th, 2006, 02:42 PM
I never noticed the fact that Sam would still have had ammo. Of course, those things fly right over my head. Maybe she was shooting her gun at the French guy's feet when the scene was on the others outside:D

As for Daniel, I stil found that scene annoying. And, his bright eyed, bushy-tailed abrupt demeanor just seemed off to me, and not the way I expect him to approach a person. And, I could be projecting, because I hate being forced to have a conversation with someone when I'm doing something -even someone I like- but I thought I saw a hint of, "Okay, this yahoo isn't going anywhere, so I might as well make the best of it and talk to him. I'd be much more open to talk to him later since I'd rather take my notes now, but since he's not leaving me the choice, and I don't want to be rude, I'll join in." I've had lots of conversations with people when I'd rather be reading or writing(and when I had the book or notebook open in front of me, and they ignored that, which I find horribly rude -which is another thing I didn't like about Daniel here) and I was very polite and tried to be engaging, but it didn't mean I wasn't annoyed.

Jonzey
February 19th, 2006, 03:00 PM
I never noticed the fact that Sam would still have had ammo. Of course, those things fly right over my head. Maybe she was shooting her gun at the French guy's feet when the scene was on the others outside:D

I just assumed that Carter would have given any extra ammo she had to the guys outside at some point (like before they got to the outpost). I mean, if she's working on the machine inside and the others are continually firing at the ground, it just makes sense. So all she had was the mag that was already in the gun.

ShardsofGlass
February 19th, 2006, 03:44 PM
It didn't bother me when Daniel went to talk to the scientist at lunch. Actually, she was being anti-social sitting off by herself while the rest of the group was eating. The purpose of the visit was, I'm sure, not just to tour the facilities, but to get a chance to talk to SG-1. Otherwise, why make such a big deal out of them being the ones to take them around.

When you go on a work-related trip like that, you're expected to eat with the rest of the group and build relations with them. So when you go off by yourself, I think it's fair game for someone to sit down and talk with you. Plus Daniel and she established a rapport right at the beginning, and I could see how Daniel would be very curious to talk to her some more. I liked the scene.

Dani347
February 19th, 2006, 04:19 PM
Daniel just reminded me of all the people who started up a conversation with me, when I had my nose in a book, or when I went to lunch at work, carrying a book or a notebook, and then started in on an involved conversation. What, did they think the book was for show? A security blanket? Even worse would be when people started up a conversation then, when they knew that I would be more receptive to talk to them later. I always want to carry a sign, "Respect the Reader!" or "Writer" depending. And, considering that all we know is at that moment she wanted to be by herself, I don't think it was particularly anti-social. It could be that she felt she should take the lull in things to get her notes down. Or, maybe she just didn't like eating with other people, but after lunch she would have been fine. Or, heck, tptb wrote it, so she was probably fine and didn't even give it a fleeting thought. But, Daniel sure annoyed me in that scene. And, I really don't like being annoyed with him.

Giantevilhead
February 19th, 2006, 07:13 PM
The bugs were stupid. What were the Ori trying to accomplish with the bugs? With the virus, the people suffer over time and become more likely to capitulate. With the bugs, the people don't even have time to starve before the bugs eat them.

PG15
February 19th, 2006, 07:16 PM
What about the people who are watching the madness? Knowing that it's just a matter of time before they die? Unless they bow down to the Ori, of course.

Seems to be a pretty good motivator to me.

uknesvuinng
February 19th, 2006, 07:21 PM
The bugs were stupid. What were the Ori trying to accomplish with the bugs? With the virus, the people suffer over time and become more likely to capitulate. With the bugs, the people don't even have time to starve before the bugs eat them.
Actually, they said towards the beginning of the episode that normally the bugs would eat and then die shortly afterwards. They only became long-living and carnivorous when they were kept from eating in the first place. Sounds like the plan is starve the people, and it the people are capable of preventing the bug, then eat the people. It's a good way to weed out people like the SGC who start poking around with the bug too much.

the fifth man
February 19th, 2006, 07:42 PM
What about the people who are watching the madness? Knowing that it's just a matter of time before they die? Unless they bow down to the Ori, of course.

Seems to be a pretty good motivator to me.

Indeed!:) I know seeing that go on around me would sure motivate my a** to bow down to the Ori. I'd be all "Hallowed are the Ori.." and stuff real fast.

Dana_Jeanne
February 19th, 2006, 08:11 PM
Mitchell really made me angry again in the beginning when he and Daniel were arguing in the hall and he pretty much told Daniel that his idea's were wrong because he is "always right".
I'd like to take Mitchell and toss hm backwards through a wormhole. I really really don't like him at all. A hot-headed lunatic like that has no business leading the #1-- heck, he has no business leading any team.
Dana Jeanne

Dani347
February 19th, 2006, 09:01 PM
Well, I don't expect this to change people's minds about Mitchell (and I'm not trying to) and I don't think people who found the scene annoying will find it any less annoying, but I just wanted to clarify. Mitchell didn't say he was "always right." He said that he didn't want to talk about it anymore, he was right. This time. Which, was a very poor defense, and Daniel reacted appropriately. Just a sarcastic comment about how good his argument was. I don't think it deserved any more attention than that. But, I don't think it meant that he thinks Daniel's wrong in general, or he's right all the time. Just that in this particular case he disagreed.

Again, not that it doesn't mean that people shouldn't find that irritating if they do.

PG15
February 19th, 2006, 09:11 PM
I took it as a joke to (playfully) annoy Danny.

I do it all the time to my friends.

Vicious
February 19th, 2006, 09:54 PM
Two words....

Starship Troopers

Callie
February 20th, 2006, 01:21 AM
Update on the Chinese interchange:

Shen: Your Chinese is supposed to be quite good.
Daniel: Not as good as your English.
Shen: Of course. What about him? (looking at Mitchell)
Daniel: We are still teaching him.
(Both laugh.)
Cameron: Yeah, that's very funny. Go to hell.

morjana
February 20th, 2006, 01:55 AM
Not a terrific episode, but better than a lot of season nine episodes have been.

Sam has usually carried a zat as her side-arm, ever since season two. How come all of a sudden in this episode Sam is carrying a Baretta as her sidearm?

In "Stronghold," both Sam and Cam had zats as their sidearms.

Would have been interesting to see what effect the zat might have had on the bugs, but alas, they weren't carrying Zats for THIS episode, so we didn't get to find out.

The French committee member was seen in another episode too..."Fourth Horsemen, Part 2" I think (at the conference table with Landry and others).

Interesting conversation with the Chinese committee member and Daniel. Has China unconvered their own Gate -- or created one themselves?

Morjana

Jonzey
February 20th, 2006, 02:01 AM
Not a terrific episode, but better than a lot of season nine episodes have been.

Sam has usually carried a zat as her side-arm, ever since season two. How come all of a sudden in this episode Sam is carrying a Baretta as her sidearm?

In "Stronghold," both Sam and Cam had zats as their sidearms.

Would have been interesting to see what effect the zat might have had on the bugs, but alas, they weren't carrying Zats for THIS episode, so we didn't get to find out.
Again, this is just me speculating, but it could be just for show. I mean, if the IOA (or whatever they're called) start seeing weapons technology like the Chinese woman wanted to, they'd be far more interested in the zats than in what they were meant to see. Theyd ask a lot of questions about how come they don't share the technology with them.

Falcon Horus
February 20th, 2006, 02:15 AM
My take on the episode...

1. The Mummy all over again.... *sigh*
2. Few good lines (especially the one by Landry about the baby-sitting)
3. We had a gamma-site...luckily the greek alphabet has lots of letters left...
4. Bugs who clone themselves...cause wow they multiply really fast...a little too fast to remain believable...

5. About the Ori using this as means to make people bow to them, I personally would prefer death then to live in fear under these so-called all-mighty powerful beings.

dosed150
February 20th, 2006, 03:04 AM
the british guy hardly said a word he should have talked more and how typical that the french guy is the coward

FallenAngelII
February 20th, 2006, 04:08 AM
OK, people need to stop compaining so much. OK, so they kinda already did something like this in "Metamorphosis", but this was still vastly different. This episode had no parallels to "The Mummy" whatsoever other than that they were bugs of some kind that eats flesh. And how many movies/TV shows haven't used that plot?

And the thing about "re-hashing": So you expect a show that's nearing the end of its 9th season in 2006 to have original plotlines that no one has ever ever seen before in any form? Get real.

Although, I, as usual, figured out the most of the plot beforehand as the episode progressed. I didn't get the spoliers, so I didn't even know the episode's name. "Ouh, bugs. What are the chances of them becoming meat eaters, incubating inside someone and coming out of their mouth sometime later?" "'It bit him! Eggs!" "One guard standing at the entrance. A guest star we've never ever seen before. What are the chances of we finding out he's 'infected' by seeing something crawling beneath his skin?" and of course the extremely obvious things like "Dead guy's foot's moving. Bugs!" and "The Odyssey will beam them out at the last second.". I'm so sick and tired of last second saves right before people are supposed to die. They are so predictable and overused.

All in all, this was a very solid episode. Good acting, good plot and nice foreshadowing for the impending doom.

Deejay435
February 20th, 2006, 06:53 AM
Again, this is just me speculating, but it could be just for show. I mean, if the IOA (or whatever they're called) start seeing weapons technology like the Chinese woman wanted to, they'd be far more interested in the zats than in what they were meant to see. Theyd ask a lot of questions about how come they don't share the technology with them.

I hadn't thought of that, but that's a very good point. Very good. It would make perfect sense, and fits in well with the general sub-theme of the mistrust between the SGC and China.

Zoser
February 20th, 2006, 07:24 AM
Not a terrific episode, but better than a lot of season nine episodes have been.

Sam has usually carried a zat as her side-arm, ever since season two. How come all of a sudden in this episode Sam is carrying a Baretta as her sidearm?

In "Stronghold," both Sam and Cam had zats as their sidearms.

Would have been interesting to see what effect the zat might have had on the bugs, but alas, they weren't carrying Zats for THIS episode, so we didn't get to find out.

The French committee member was seen in another episode too..."Fourth Horsemen, Part 2" I think (at the conference table with Landry and others).

Interesting conversation with the Chinese committee member and Daniel. Has China unconvered their own Gate -- or created one themselves?

Morjana

If the hapless scientists had gotten to the bugs with three blasts of a zat we would have been spared this horror.:tealcanime44: :replicatoranime01:

mother-goose
February 20th, 2006, 08:57 AM
i dont get everyones problem with mitchell, he's a loud brash american, lol the all american hero, i know its not sg1's style but there is no one in the command who would willingly run out shooting to try and give everyone else a chance to survive. its not that he's irresponsible (well ok sometimes :P) but his acts are pretty selfless ya know, have a think about it

Den Sethos
February 20th, 2006, 08:59 AM
Yeah right... Haven't seen the episode yet (we have to 'organize' them on this side of the Atlantic), but it has a familiar flavour...
Those pesky bugs replicating themselves by means of a bite... Rings a bell. 'Bane' anyone? Teal'c has a first hand knowledge of self replicating bugs.
Perhaps will we learn the planet in 'Bane' had been visited by a Prior and the bug there was merely a local version of the ones in 'Scourge'.

mother-goose
February 20th, 2006, 09:00 AM
I'm so sick and tired of last second saves right before people are supposed to die. They are so predictable and overused.
.

YES!!! for godsake people screw up, they use to screw up, in hero's jack got shot with a staff, and he's been had a few times, maybe let them get bit, beam them out and then have a major medical fight to stop it from happening, even atltantis has this still!

still liked the ep a lot though!

mother-goose
February 20th, 2006, 09:02 AM
Yeah right... Haven't seen the episode yet (we have to 'organize' them on this side of the Atlantic), but it has a familiar flavour...
Those pesky bugs replicating themselves by means of a bite... Rings a bell. 'Bane' anyone? Teal'c has a first hand knowledge of self replicating bugs.
Perhaps will we learn the planet in 'Bane' had been visited by a Prior and the bug there was merely a local version of the ones in 'Scourge'.

it is actually completely different in this case, i dont think you'll be disappointed, oh and if you dont want to wait, have a look on mininova (ahem, sorry it just slipped out)

warmbeachbrat
February 20th, 2006, 12:13 PM
OK, people need to stop compaining so much. OK, so they kinda already did something like this in "Metamorphosis", but this was still vastly different. This episode had no parallels to "The Mummy" whatsoever other than that they were bugs of some kind that eats flesh. And how many movies/TV shows haven't used that plot?

And the thing about "re-hashing": So you expect a show that's nearing the end of its 9th season in 2006 to have original plotlines that no one has ever ever seen before in any form? Get real.

These repeated mentions of The Mummy, make me glad I've never seen the movie. I'm wondering--has anyone ever been caught in or seen a swarm of locusts? How do you suppose it would compare to these critters?

Exiled Master
February 20th, 2006, 01:04 PM
This sounds like a great opportunity to use a shotgun

PugGate
February 20th, 2006, 02:04 PM
I won't go into what I thought of the episode, but does anyone else notice everytime they introduce a young low rank soldier they turn into redshirts? As soon as I saw the two guys leaving the base with SG-1 I was all "yep, they're totally going to die".

Yeah, why can't they have one of the grunts survive for once. It seems way too unrealistic for the main characters to always survive, but everyone else dies. We need to go back to the good ol' days. In The Tomb, one of the Russians made it back, so there is hope, maybe.:)

Fargater
February 20th, 2006, 02:54 PM
Yeah, but we know O'Neill is a Star Trek fan. Teal'c is probably a Star Trek fan, having watched Star Wars more times than humanly possible (being a Jaffa) and being close friends with O'Neill. We can assume, therefore, that at some point in the last eight years, they have spent some time together watching movies or shows (O'Neill and Teal'c).
As for O'Neill, Teal'c, and Carter, together, it is possible that they did watch movies together occasionally - and we know Carter's a sucker for alien style sci-fi movies, "wanting to see how close they are to getting it right."

However, the group movie thing may be an affectionate nod to the fanfiction community, which frequently writes fanfics centered around a group out-of-base bonding activity.
They probably watched the Simpsons together too. Remember that ep where Jack`s saying how Mr. Burns is a Goa`uld and Sam`s saying she can`t see it? A serious discussion like that could only come out of watching the show together. Well maybe not together but they must have all seen the Simpsons for them to even have opinions on Burns` "Goa`uldness". :jack_new_anime04: :samanime20:

binkpmmc
February 20th, 2006, 03:31 PM
That's too funny! I caught that too. I was like, wait, she should still have ammo because her gun was with her all the time, yet she started shooting with her 9 mm the same time the rest did.

I have to add though, I really enjoyed AT's moments in this episode. Many are saying that her realistic view is a castoff of Jack but I don't believe so. I was just watching the episode where she and Jack are stuck in Antartica and it was she who was constantly being the realist about their situation and the fact that Earth would have no way finding them through the gate. I always felt that Carter was the realist due to her scientific background.

Daniel and Shen. I didn't see any ship. A possibility yes, but not obvious ship. I saw him as having an intellectual interest in her and the fact he realized that she was important to future relations between the Chinese and American governments.

Woolsey was amazing! I love Robert Picardo. I hated how his character was an a** the last time, so I'm glad he was redeemed in at least a small way this time.

Overall, not a bad episode after a second viewing. But I just hate how "I'm" letting Mitchell ruin it for me.

I agree that Carter was great and was clearly the one that kept her head throughout and was pretty much the only one, other than Daniel, who clearly thought their situation through to come up with a viable plan to give them the best chance of getting off that planet. She clearly carries herself as the leader and in this she was so solid and so competent it was wonderful to watch, especially at the end when she came out of the tent to hold the line with the boys but she went right out front and took charge.

binkpmmc
February 20th, 2006, 03:37 PM
Not a terrific episode, but better than a lot of season nine episodes have been.

Sam has usually carried a zat as her side-arm, ever since season two. How come all of a sudden in this episode Sam is carrying a Baretta as her sidearm?

In "Stronghold," both Sam and Cam had zats as their sidearms.

Would have been interesting to see what effect the zat might have had on the bugs, but alas, they weren't carrying Zats for THIS episode, so we didn't get to find out.

The French committee member was seen in another episode too..."Fourth Horsemen, Part 2" I think (at the conference table with Landry and others).

Interesting conversation with the Chinese committee member and Daniel. Has China unconvered their own Gate -- or created one themselves?

Morjana

IMO, plot-device, it would have been too hard to keep in line with what the characters have done for the past 6 seasons or so and they just took the easy way out and gave them handguns, even though Carter and Teal'c haven't had handguns since shortly after they found the Zats. Chalk up another one, IMO. (they did not show consistency for many, many things this year in particuar Carter in charge of SG1 and they have not really showed the relationship of the BIG 3 to be anywhere near like it was for the past 8 yeasr so why should a little thing like consistentcy with the Zat guns stop them?)

PG15
February 20th, 2006, 03:57 PM
IMO, plot-device, it would have been too hard to keep in line with what the characters have done for the past 6 seasons or so and they just took the easy way out and gave them handguns, even though Carter and Teal'c haven't had handguns since shortly after they found the Zats. Chalk up another one, IMO. (they did not show consistency for many, many things this year in particuar Carter in charge of SG1 and they have not really showed the relationship of the BIG 3 to be anywhere near like it was for the past 8 yeasr so why should a little thing like consistentcy with the Zat guns stop them?)

As someone said above, bringing alien weapons would just make the ambassidors ask more questions (Why aren't you sharing that technology?).

Please read before criticizing.

DEM
February 20th, 2006, 04:18 PM
Please read before criticizing.That was one fan's speculation. A *good* explanation, yes, but not one that can be upheld as absolute fact. Therefore, neither binkpmmc nor anyone else is under obligation to hold it as The Truth.

Uber
February 20th, 2006, 04:26 PM
As someone said above, bringing alien weapons would just make the ambassidors ask more questions (Why aren't you sharing that technology?).

Please read before criticizing.And that might have made for a compelling point in the episode...if let's say, Mitchell leaned over and asked one of them why they weren't sporting the zats this go around and either Teal'c or Daniel or Sam told him that it was to remove the focus from the fact that they have access to alien technology.

The problem with that idea though is that they were going to an alien planet, where experiments were being performed on alien technology and agriculture, escorted by a team with an alien in its midst.

Hmm. I'm going to have to agree with bink on this one. As much as I like your idea and think it might have added another layer of depth to the strained relationship between them and the SGC, it didn't seem to be the case here as it was not addressed verbally and there were too many cues in the expedition regarding alien technology.

Dani347
February 20th, 2006, 05:47 PM
I think going out of your way to take the focus off the fact that they have alien technology might also call more attention to it. The diplomats know the technology exists, so they might have wondered why there weren't any alien weapons. Especially why Teal'c didn't carry any.

the fifth man
February 20th, 2006, 07:49 PM
IMO, it was convienient for the ep that they not have zat guns on them. That cut and dry. And for me, not a big problem.

binkpmmc
February 20th, 2006, 08:01 PM
As someone said above, bringing alien weapons would just make the ambassidors ask more questions (Why aren't you sharing that technology?).

Please read before criticizing.

UUmmmmmm -- I read it bud, and I do not agree so therefore, please keep your criticisms to yourself. Nice idea about not sharing the info on the Zats, far stretch IMO, especially in light of the fact that at least the Russians know about Zats since they were carried by Teal'c and Carter in The Tomb. I know that it is canon that other nations know about the Zats and, sad as it is, I also know that the PTB are conveniently rewriting A LOT of canon this season to force their silly agenda, however, I stand by my statement and my opinion, which last time I looked I was free to state on this thread.

PG15
February 20th, 2006, 08:14 PM
Why do I have to keep my criticisms to myself when you don't? :P

I guess I just see it another way. It would be like showing off if they carried zats. Besides, they're going on a tour, why would they need Zats?

And I don't know what canon they've been rewriting, but I would rather not derail this thread. If you want to debate (and I promise I'll try to remain civil), then PM me.

the fifth man
February 20th, 2006, 08:18 PM
It would be like showing off if they carried zats. Besides, they're going on a tour, why would they need Zats?


That's kind of how I saw things too. They probably felt there was no real need to bring along zat guns, so they just strapped on their normal old sidearms. Afterall, it was supposed to just be a tour of their base, not a mission of life or death.:)

uknesvuinng
February 20th, 2006, 08:19 PM
I think the major problem with the lack of zats is despite the fact that SG-1 for the past 6 or 7 years have been carrying zats, they totally lacked zats in this episode without explanation. Furthermore, zats would have changed the course of events, so it really strikes some of us as merely a contrived plot device with no logical reasoning other than it served the purpose of the plot. Plots should fit the situations. Situations should not be manipulated simply make a plot work.

PG15
February 20th, 2006, 08:22 PM
Wait a minute, I just had a thought.

How did we know they DIDN'T have Zats? They seemed to know that noises would drive away the bugs, so why would they use their Zats at all?

binkpmmc
February 20th, 2006, 08:23 PM
Why do I have to keep my criticisms to myself when you don't? :P

I guess I just see it another way. It would be like showing off if they carried zats. Besides, they're going on a tour, why would they need Zats?

And I don't know what canon they've been rewriting, but I would rather not derail this thread. If you want to debate (and I promise I'll try to remain civil), then PM me.

Because I do not presume to know you or what you have and have not read, watched or said to base your opinions on and why, and I did not criticize you at any point in time so please keep your personal comments and criticisms to yourself. I am free to criticize anything I want on the show and I take that freedom and do with what I please - I did not criticize you or even address you or any of your posts. You are free to make any criticisms you like, of the show, not of me or what I may or may not say. I know your positon and, if you have read any of my posts, you know mine -- no need to rehash our positions via pm - but thanks for the offer.

PG15
February 20th, 2006, 08:24 PM
Actually, this is the first time I've seen the "rewriting canon" argument. But, like you said, meh it is.

warmbeachbrat
February 20th, 2006, 08:40 PM
I guess I thought Teal'c was the only one who ever carried a zat on a regular basis. But then, I'm not the most observant of individuals. I also thought zats only showed up when the Goa'uld were around (their ships, their planets, their Jaffa, etc.). With the Goa'uld out of power for the most part, there would be less appearance of their type of weapons. As this base was an SGC site (with no apparant indigenous population on the planet), I would have been a little surprised to see the zats and/or staff weapons. But perhaps I haven't been paying close enough attention.

Agent_Dark
February 20th, 2006, 09:43 PM
Wait a minute, I just had a thought.

How did we know they DIDN'T have Zats? They seemed to know that noises would drive away the bugs, so why would they use their Zats at all?
err... they didn't seem to be that concerned about firing their guns. Which are a lot noisier than a zat...

uknesvuinng
February 20th, 2006, 09:47 PM
Which are a lot noisier than a zat...
I think that's the point. The guns were loud, and so would hurt the bugs' ears and send them away. However, zats would have been far more useful when the bugs poured out of the guy at the beginning, unless of course the zats proved ineffective, which would have satisfied me at least concerning the zat issue.