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SG-1 is captured after a deal with the Lucian Alliance goes bad ... and the planet's Stargate goes missing. Meanwhile, a former System Lord attempts to rebuild his empire.

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F-302 Alpha
February 10th, 2006, 04:48 PM
Someone Post A Summary Nowwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AGateFan
February 10th, 2006, 04:51 PM
its not over yet

gregst
February 10th, 2006, 04:51 PM
Spoilers(I guess)*****************










Why do the Go'ald, specifically Baal have Asgard beaming tech necessary to steal the gates?

Thanks,

Greg

jonno
February 10th, 2006, 04:54 PM
well, Baal's been on Earth for a while, and we now on Earth, people like the trust have got their hands on beaming tech, so why not Baal too?

Oh yeah welcome to the forum... have fun!

I'm a UK person so haven't seen the ep, so my answer may not be that great. Try the official ep discussion thread here: http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=4914791#post4914791

shester
February 10th, 2006, 04:59 PM
That was soooo much fun! I love Mitchell. They were such a team. I don't look for plot holes, I go by how much fun I had watching. I had fun.
No nitpicking from me.
Sybil

Johnquixote
February 10th, 2006, 04:59 PM
What a great team ep!
So many great lines...
Mitchell: Oh please, Mary Poppins isn't even in the running.
Sam: Hey!

Teal'c: We are indeed suitably employed.

hoho, a memorable ep.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
February 10th, 2006, 04:59 PM
It was an interesting episode. I give it a ***. I love the last scene in the ep, it was funny.

SG-1ssm
February 10th, 2006, 05:00 PM
I liked the episode. It was like the old show, sneeking around a gou'ld mother ship.

Skydiver
February 10th, 2006, 05:01 PM
sg1 is running. under fire. this ain't good
they're trying to make it to the gate. which vanishes
d'oh

they're captured, slapped around a bit, rescued in the nick of time by a space ship we've never heard of using locator beacons we've never heard of before
(little too much plot device going on)

someone is stealing stargates

hem, haw, yak, yak and we find out that it's baal

he's snagging gates to build himself a new empire

course, we gotta stop him

twisted plot here and there and sg1 goes after baal in the made up space ship, finds the gates, pulls a double cross on the irritating fat goauld from earlier in the season, sneaks their way in
they try to steal back the gates, under fire and quite unsurprisingly, baal gets creamed, the lucian alliance is gonna be ticked at us and everyone goes home

not too bad although cam acts beyond bad and stupid in this one. he's way too OTT and acting like an adrenaline junkie in desperate need of a fix. sam, daniel and teal'c end up following him around and nearly getting killed cause cam has no self control

there's a little too much tell, not nearly enough show and in many ways the eps seems to be about 3 separate plots all cobbled together....either that or the writer was working on 3 scripts and they got caught by a gust of wind and mangled together :)

it defintely had its moments but did nothing to improve cam's reputation. it seems to me, instead of trying to boost him the writers seem to be trying to destroy him and what little credibility he has left

shester
February 10th, 2006, 05:05 PM
I think Cam is a wonderful character. He is having fun and I am along for the ride. Such a wonderful team episode.
Sybil

walterIsTheMan
February 10th, 2006, 05:08 PM
Ugh. So many things I didn't like in this episode. First, the whole jumping back 8 hours then jumping forward again. I hate it when shows do that, especially when they replay the scene when they get back to it. It's almost as if the writers just do it to waste time. It's annoying.

Second, where'd the P-90's go??? Those stupid guns they were using were so thin and small they looked like toys.

Third, the outfits. They didn't make sense at all. TPTB just made them that way to show off the muscles of BB, MS, and CJ. Sex appeal seems to be an increasingly large drive in all the SciFi friday shows:(.

Fourth, Teal'c cut his hair short again. It was looking kind of good. But now its too short to look good.

Fifth, the music during the Odyssey scene. Just overdramatic. So what, it's this ships first flight. Big deal, we don't need some corny music.

Sixth, the Landry/Nerus scene was stupid. It seemed like Landry kept giving him more and more food and Nerus wasn't telling him anything.

Seventh, why the heck did the Odyssey start firing on the Lucian Alliance ships??? First, you want them to keep firing to get Baal's shields down. That way you can beam stuff off. Second, why not just say "hey we're getting your stargates, just give us a second." They made an enemy out of the alliance for no reason at all.

I'm starting to give up on these shows:(.

jonno
February 10th, 2006, 05:09 PM
I think Cam is a wonderful character. He is having fun and I am along for the ride. Such a wonderful team episode.
Sybil

Team? In season 9! YES! YES!! YES!!!.

I can just tell i'm going to enjoy this one on Tuesday!

*runs away to avoid any more spoilers*

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 05:12 PM
I liked the part where they were in the casa field talking about who looks the most like a drug dealer and cam refered to sam as mary poppins that craked me up.

F-302 Alpha
February 10th, 2006, 05:13 PM
Whatabout the involvemnet of the Odyssey in the ep?

gatewonderer114
February 10th, 2006, 05:13 PM
Pretty good I think. Glad that a ship, not from Earth, was destroyed. The Odyessy looks cool, should be a good replacement for Prometheus.

MarshAngel
February 10th, 2006, 05:16 PM
It was an OK episode. Entirely non-spectacular. I agree.. feeding Nerus accomplished nothing. But as to making an enemy of the Alliance... it was already too late. Seeing as how they'd pretty much executed SG1.

Dani347
February 10th, 2006, 05:20 PM
hmm. I felt about this the same that I felt about Tuesday's episode of Gilmore Girls. Nothing made me scream in frustration, but nothing made me stand up and cheer either. Warning, if nitpicking gives you hives, bail out now. Or, read with the right ointment.

My first thought with the corn was, couldn't they think of some better way of introduce the actual plot? I mean, addictive corn? Hmm, wonder what an episode where the corn was the actual plot, with SG1 actually getting addicted might have been like.

I really didn't see Mitchell as being OTT. I was wondering if the whole them going off on the planet together was going to be the only time they were together, and then Mitchell would be separate from the rest for the majority of the episode. Glad that didn't happen.

Daniel whumping. Mitchell whumping. Results of Sam whumping. Did they just not hit Teal'c, or is it he doesn't bleed as easily as those puny humans?

Hmm, who would win as most pointless Goa'uld? Anubis or Nerus? Nerus wins for most stupid. And, small mercies that they didn't show whatever led to the food against the bars. Gag.

I don't know if they were going for comedy with the Rambo!Teal'c on the ship. The arms spread out at each side stance, the blast away in answer to Mitchell's what do we do now, the second arms spread out on each side thing, blasting away. It just seemed like, "Okay, Chris, we're going to let you show off those muscles in this episode."

At least Daniel didn't have his glasses off the whole episode. Who's to say that someone from wherever they were supposed to be posing as wouldn't wear glasses?

I prefer the flanged voice. Look at me go with my newly learned terminology! Is Ba'al dead, then? Or, is this another clone dead? Or, did anyone die?

Another freaking ship! Blow it up! Blow it up! Destroy! Destroy! Off screen, preferably.

That's about it, until I read other posts.


First, the whole jumping back 8 hours then jumping forward again. I hate it when shows do that, especially when they replay the scene when they get back to it. It's almost as if the writers just do it to waste time. It's annoying.

When did that happen?

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 05:21 PM
At first I thought the Odyssey looked sort of different on the front end than the Daedalus but then they used a stock clip from the Daedalus to show it in hyperspace. Maybe I was just hallucinating did anyone else think that the odyssey looked at little different than the Daedalus when it was hovering around earths orbit in its 1st shot?

F-302 Alpha
February 10th, 2006, 05:22 PM
Any screen caps of the Odyssey yet?

ToasterOnFire
February 10th, 2006, 05:23 PM
Man, what a total snoozefest. The plot was so achingly slow I thought the episode would never end. It picked up slightly when they were on Ba'al's ship (why didn't they just beam directly into the bay?) but there were 40 minutes of zzzz before that point.

Looks like the Odyssey is going to be to SG1 what the Deddy is to Atlantis - a deus ex machina.

Damn, the wisecracking Mitch is back. And just when I was starting to like him...

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 05:25 PM
It was an OK episode. Entirely non-spectacular. I agree.. feeding Nerus accomplished nothing. But as to making an enemy of the Alliance... it was already too late. Seeing as how they'd pretty much executed SG1.

What do you mean feeding Nerus accomplished nothing? That was a key part of the episode because the locater beckon that he ate lead them straight to Ba'al, which in part allowed SG-1 to complete the mission

Dani347
February 10th, 2006, 05:29 PM
For an episode that had wisecracks, I thought Mitchell was pretty subdued (I was afraid going in that he would be OTT in that area) and none of the comments were too :rolleyes:-worthy.

So, Mitchell was being all fanboyish at the end. But, really, what made Teal'c so pleased? Had be in going through blast everyone out of sight withdrawal, and this pepped him up?

I think there was a bit more whumping than shown, because Daniel seemed to be having residual pain in his jaw throughout the episode.

AGateFan
February 10th, 2006, 05:29 PM
Wow its like Hercules and Xena with Machine guns.
Hey Mitchell apparently said something stupid again to get his team in trouble, more great leadership on his part it appears.

Mitchell keeps saying stupid stuff. Of course not BBs fault when he keeps getting stupid things to say in the script.

30 million potential customers and no showers or tailors in sight.

Haha, writers couldn’t figure out how to get Mitchell out of the situation so they took a shortcut, kinda like superford in The Hive. I wonder if they will admit to it in the commentary the way J. Michael Straczynski admitted he did it for Sheridan in “Z'HA'DUM”

For about 2 seconds I thought we may have an African American captain… no such luck.

Hey they mentioned the Tokra well at least there was that.

“Happens all the time.”. that was funny and sooo true.
“Because we are more valuable alive…”yeah at least someone is still thinking.

Gosh will they get out of it….oh no…

Nerus is still amusing.
Landry is a crpy negotiator. Hope he bugged him.

What devices did Nerus have besides cupcakes?

Gee didn’t get the promo pick, must have been edited out.

Gee they can actually move like a unit, who would have thunk it.
That was kind of cool, too bad we had to go through the rest of the crp to get there.

45 minutes stupid
15 minutes cool

Was the ship in close enough orbit to gate off of it.
Is Nerus dead? Too bad.
4 more baal clones down.

It was an ok ep. Lots of cheese but some cool stuff at the end.

ToasterOnFire
February 10th, 2006, 05:31 PM
When did that happen?
In the very beginning of the ep the SG1 team ran away, shot at the baddies, and looked confused when the gate vanished. Then the episode went back 8 hours to the whole casa mission, and 8 hours later TPTB showed several of the exact same scenes when the team ran, shot, and looked confused a second time. It was probably a way to save money, but it irked me.

verbalkint
February 10th, 2006, 05:31 PM
The beginning of the episode was a waste up until they started debating on who was a drug dealer then "Mr. Shaft" zings Carter with the Mary Poppins one-liner. The Odyssey started firing on the Lucian Alliance to buy time for SG-1 to find a way off baal's ship since they regained shield capability. Feeding Nerus did seem pointless but later it made sense when Gen. Landry said he planted a locator beacon on Nerus by placing it inside a piece of cake. Nerus was stuffing himself so much he never even thought twice about being wary of the food. Very good episode with the ship scenes and did bring back memories of the good ol' days. In my opinion the reason why ratings have been dropping is because episodes have been seriously lacking the type of action sequences and team play this episode displayed. Odyssey was nice and for those of you talking about a "made up" ship you must have forgotten that it was stated in an earlier episode that the focus of the stargate budget was going to be directed towards building earth built space vessels. I give it 4 out of 5 stars with 1 being deducted for slow start to episode. Baal's ship getting annihilated was a major surprise.

Dani347
February 10th, 2006, 05:33 PM
That was a key part of the episode because the locater beckon that he ate lead them straight to Ba'al, which in part allowed SG-1 to complete the mission

Oh, man. You know, the thought of the locator beacon being on the cupcake takes me to thoughts that I'd rather not have on this show. Particularly with Nerus.

Dani347
February 10th, 2006, 05:35 PM
In the very beginning of the ep the SG1 team ran away, shot at the baddies, and looked confused when the gate vanished. Then the episode went back 8 hours to the whole casa mission, and 8 hours later TPTB showed several of the exact same scenes when the team ran, shot, and looked confused a second time. It was probably a way to save money, but it irked me.

Okay. I wasn't in the room for the very start of the episode, so I missed it.

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 05:36 PM
My first thought with the corn was, couldn't they think of some better way of introduce the actual plot? I mean, addictive corn? Hmm, wonder what an episode where the corn was the actual plot, with SG1 actually getting addicted might have been like.



Yeah that kinda through me off too, and then I thought they were going to say that Ba'al was actually behind the corn/casa. I thought that they were going to explain how he regular old corn from earth and altered in order to get people hooked and to build his new empire after observing how drugs can be a quick way to power here on Earth.

AGateFan
February 10th, 2006, 05:38 PM
What do you mean feeding Nerus accomplished nothing? That was a key part of the episode because the locater beckon that he ate lead them straight to Ba'al, which in part allowed SG-1 to complete the mission
He didnt Eat the locator beacon, it was packed with his cupcakes.

Cpt. Obvious
February 10th, 2006, 05:38 PM
this episode had its moments. i agree...i didn't like the flashback thing at the beginning. they never really finished the thing with the corn. yes we found out that it was being like artificially made addictive but nothing further. i like corn btw. anyways, loved the mary poppins scene and the ending scene. did you catch on that cam said it was a good day in contrast to ethon when it ended with this was a bad day. oh and i saw the cupcake thing coming. and i'm guessing it was another clone that blew up w/ the ship? oh and yay a new ship!

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 05:39 PM
My first thought with the corn was, couldn't they think of some better way of introduce the actual plot? I mean, addictive corn? Hmm, wonder what an episode where the corn was the actual plot, with SG1 actually getting addicted might have been like.




Yeah that kinda through me off too, and then I thought they were going to say that Ba'al was actually behind the corn/casa. I thought that they were going to explain how he regular old corn from earth and altered in order to get people hooked and to build his new empire after observing how drugs can be a quick way to power here on Earth.

Dani347
February 10th, 2006, 05:39 PM
He didnt Eat the locator beacon, it was packed with his cupcakes.


Oh thank you. Now, I don't need to scrub my brain with bleach.

I figured out who the captain of the Oddyssey (I know, I'm spelling it wrong) was. He looked familiar. He played Dale, John Carter's nemesis on the early seasons of ER. I think.

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 05:40 PM
Sorry about the double post.

kharn the betrayer
February 10th, 2006, 05:40 PM
Why oh why do they have the need to kill Baal every other episode -_-

I love Baal but now every time we see him he ends up dead (well his clones any way)

and Im getting sick of it ;_;

spg_1983
February 10th, 2006, 05:41 PM
Ok someones gotta help me out here. Except for the fact that it is so incredibly utterly convienient that the prometheus got blown up last week and TADA!!! Our next new ship is built and flying already!!! Daedalus was only finished up less than a year a go and they already have another one turned out? It takes 4 years to build a Nimitz-class air craft carrier using materials found every where on earth. Yet they can turn out a brand spanking new Daedalus class spaceship in less then a year, built using metals and elements found only off world all of which have to be brough back load by load through the SGC, refinined and then all built in secret and they did this in less than a year? Total BS.

Ok now someone needs to help me out with understanding the plot. Ba'al was stealing stargates and removing them from the gate system by disabling the correlative updates in order to establish a new empire. Could someone explain to me exactly how this would work, I dont get it.

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 05:44 PM
Well actually they didn't really say Gen. Landry just implied that it was in a cup cake now weather he ate it or not is open for interpretation. I'd like to assume that he ate it therefore giving this episode another pleasant wrinkle.

Battousai the Manslayer
February 10th, 2006, 05:44 PM
This one sucked

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 05:50 PM
Ok someones gotta help me out here. Except for the fact that it is so incredibly utterly convienient that the prometheus got blown up last week and TADA!!! Our next new ship is built and flying already!!! Daedalus was only finished up less than a year a go and they already have another one turned out? It takes 4 years to build a Nimitz-class air craft carrier using materials found every where on earth. Yet they can turn out a brand spanking new Daedalus class spaceship in less then a year, built using metals and elements found only off world all of which have to be brough back load by load through the SGC, refinined and then all built in secret and they did this in less than a year? Total BS.

Ok now someone needs to help me out with understanding the plot. Ba'al was stealing stargates and removing them from the gate system by disabling the correlative updates in order to establish a new empire. Could someone explain to me exactly how this would work, I dont get it.


I think they'd (SGC/Home world security) been actively working on the equivalent to a Goa'uld fleet. When Sam was at area 51 sin the beginning of the season I believe the Odyssey was the ship she was working on but she could have been working on several Daedalus class ships.

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 05:53 PM
Why oh why do they have the need to kill Baal every other episode -_-

I love Baal but now every time we see him he ends up dead (well his clones any way)

and Im getting sick of it ;_;


I think its cool because they can just keep bringing him back and it always leaves me guess whether or not that they've killed the real Ba'al are just another clone.

Skydiver
February 10th, 2006, 05:57 PM
yeah, but it does get old

and i still don't quite understand how they were able to close two totally separate entities in one body, especially since harlan couldn't quite pull that off with his copies

spg_1983
February 10th, 2006, 06:02 PM
I think they'd (SGC/Home world security) been actively working on the equivalent to a Goa'uld fleet. When Sam was at area 51 sin the beginning of the season I believe the Odyssey was the ship she was working on but she could have been working on several Daedalus class ships.
How many massive, completely underground construction facilities can they have completely with production facilities nearby? Even then, if they had a bunch how many could they actually operate at once? The trinium and naquada are the key components for the ships and have to be mind off world and brought through the gate load by load, there wouldnt be a steady enough supply to continuously operate more than one or two construction projects

Dani347
February 10th, 2006, 06:03 PM
yeah, but it does get old


I agree. Once, having Ba'al die, and then come back is cool. But, have it happen again and again? It's like when you see him die, there's no impact. And, no impact when he shows up again.

Seshat
February 10th, 2006, 06:19 PM
He didnt Eat the locator beacon, it was packed with his cupcakes.
Party pooper! ;) I prefer to think he consumed it. :D

verbalkint
February 10th, 2006, 06:20 PM
I think they'd (SGC/Home world security) been actively working on the equivalent to a Goa'uld fleet. When Sam was at area 51 sin the beginning of the season I believe the Odyssey was the ship she was working on but she could have been working on several Daedalus class ships.
They have in fact been working on ships far before Prommie got blown away. They were focused on building ships its just that the Deadalus was the first one off the line and once they saw its success they cranked up the pace seeing the opportunity for dominance once gouald fell.

Cpt. Obvious
February 10th, 2006, 06:20 PM
Party pooper! ;) I prefer to think he consumed it. :D

lol...that's what i thought.

DrMongol
February 10th, 2006, 06:22 PM
I guess Ba'al made just enough copies of himself so at least one can die each episode untill the end of the season.

AGateFan
February 10th, 2006, 06:24 PM
But there were 4 of him on this ship so I assume 4 died in this ep... whats the count now 6 or 7 down.

warmbeachbrat
February 10th, 2006, 06:24 PM
I thought this episode was great from start to finish. I loved the Mary Poppins line and Sam's reaction; I thought the Landry/Nerus byplay was funny (and ultimately ingenious on Landry's part); the battle on Ba'al's ship was very nice and gave a nice echo of earlier episodes. And it's always nice to see Ba'al again (the outfit, while not terrible, was definitely not his best--must be getting harder to get a good tailor in the outermost regions of the galaxy). I suppose the only thing that really didn't wow me was the whole Lucien Alliance thing--they seem more of a distraction than anything else.

But I think my favorite part was the Teal'c/Mitchell interaction. I'm really liking the way their relationship is shaping up. It seems like Teal'c regards Mitchell as a little brother (and treats him the same) and Cam sees Teal'c as an older brother/mentor type. It's nice to see. I think it gives Teal'c a sort of focus or reason to stick around. It might be interesting to see the Teal'c/Cameron relationship evolve into a Bra'tac/Teal'c relationship.

Regarding the ending with Mitchell saying it was a good day. I think because they completed their mission of retrieving the gates and making it back to SGC in one piece (relatively speaking), that it left Mitchell (and Teal'c) feeling a sense of accomplishment after a hard-fought battle. Very different from the ending of the last episode where all their hard work and sacrifice was for nothing.

verbalkint
February 10th, 2006, 06:26 PM
Oh thank you. Now, I don't need to scrub my brain with bleach.

I figured out who the captain of the Oddyssey (I know, I'm spelling it wrong) was. He looked familiar. He played Dale, John Carter's nemesis on the early seasons of ER. I think.
He played in Wedding Singer playing the out of date stockbroker sleaze fiance of Adam Sandler's crush interest.

Dani347
February 10th, 2006, 06:28 PM
I wouldn't have known him from that. I stay away from Adam Sandler films.

eta and ot: nice username.

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 06:29 PM
But there were 4 of him on this ship so I assume 4 died in this ep... whats the count now 6 or 7 down.

We didn't actually see any of them die. Who knows maybe gated off like SG-1 did.

sirjust2000
February 10th, 2006, 06:30 PM
I agree I think killing Baal over and over loses impact. I have watched stargate from the beginning and love the show. However this episode had me rutting for Baal. I mean what was the point in getting back the gates? He was going to use the gates to start over. I don't know why SG1 needed to get the gates, to give them to the drug dealers? Didn't see the point in killing the goa'uld, it was a waste of character development to kill them off for such a stupid reason. Though I'm still hopeful that the writers will resurrect Osiris since it's obvious they're shooting for sex appeal now:)

Seshat
February 10th, 2006, 06:33 PM
I think its cool because they can just keep bringing him back and it always leaves me guess whether or not that they've killed the real Ba'al are just another clone. I think it's safe to assume that the very LAST one left at the end of the season is the real Ba'al. ;)

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 06:33 PM
[QUOTE=warmbeachbrat]...But I think my favorite part was the Teal'c/Mitchell interaction. I'm really liking the way their relationship is shaping up. It seems like Teal'c regards Mitchell as a little brother (and treats him the same) and Cam sees Teal'c as an older brother/mentor type. It's nice to see. I think it gives Teal'c a sort of focus or reason to stick around. It might be interesting to see the Teal'c/Cameron relationship evolve into a Bra'tac/Teal'c relationship......

[QUOTE]


Yeah I like the back and forth between them too. Especially on the Daedalus in Ripple Effect when Teal’c kicked his a** that was classic

spg_1983
February 10th, 2006, 06:34 PM
They have in fact been working on ships far before Prommie got blown away. They were focused on building ships its just that the Deadalus was the first one off the line and once they saw its success they cranked up the pace seeing the opportunity for dominance once gouald fell.
So they can build and launch a ship in less then a year with a limitied trickle of raw materials and a fabrication process that must be done completely in secret and then assembled in secret? Come on. There is suspension of disbelief and then there is the writers insulting our intelligence. This definately falls into the later.

Dani347
February 10th, 2006, 06:36 PM
I agree I think killing Baal over and over loses impact. I have watched stargate from the beginning and love the show. However this episode had me rutting for Baal. I mean what was the point in getting back the gates? He was going to use the gates to start over. I don't know why SG1 needed to get the gates, to give them to the drug dealers? Didn't see the point in killing the goa'uld, it was a waste of character development to kill them off for such a stupid reason. Though I'm still hopeful that the writers will resurrect Osiris since it's obvious they're shooting for sex appeal now:)


Well, they took the gates to keep Ba'al from using them to restart his empire.

While I can see why they would want a victory after last week, I think it would have been more interesting if they hadn't gotten all the gates. I mean, if Ba'al is rebuilding, it shouldn't have ended in just one episode.

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 06:40 PM
I agree I think killing Baal over and over loses impact. I have watched stargate from the beginning and love the show. However this episode had me rutting for Baal. I mean what was the point in getting back the gates? He was going to use the gates to start over. I don't know why SG1 needed to get the gates, to give them to the drug dealers? Didn't see the point in killing the goa'uld, it was a waste of character development to kill them off for such a stupid reason. Though I'm still hopeful that the writers will resurrect Osiris since it's obvious they're shooting for sex appeal now:)

They needed the gates because if they didn't get them back and return them it would have thrown all of the correlative updates that the gates system receives out of wack if Ba'al stole enough gates. I assume this would have made gate travel impossible.

sirjust2000
February 10th, 2006, 06:40 PM
I think it would be pretty cool if one of the Ba'als clones turned out to be good, do to some genetic mutation. I think it would have made for a better episode.

Skydiver
February 10th, 2006, 06:44 PM
so am i being silly or maybe scifi should concentrate their advertising on 'ba'al room dancing' if they're so worried about dancing with the stars hurting thier ratings ;)

I like baal, i really do. but stop killing him FCOL

sirjust2000
February 10th, 2006, 06:45 PM
So what's to stop him from stealing other gates somewhere else. Instead of stealing the gates from Ba'al, they should have targeted and destroyed the ship since the shields where down.

Skydiver
February 10th, 2006, 06:46 PM
see, when the gates started disappearing, i was getting my hopes up that baal was stealing them to try and control the ori.

since the priors use the gate to preach and convert, how better to slow them down than to elimiante the gates???

nccjones
February 10th, 2006, 06:48 PM
This was ok. Mitchell got on my nerves as usual. I know alot of people really like the one liners, but to me it's way too much. It's getting old. I want some serious stuff going on, not slaptstick comedy. I very seldom hear them in a normal conversation anymore, it's all high school stuff.

I kind of watched hoping for it to end so I could finally watch Atlantis. I'm just thankful that I have 8 season of the real SG-1 to watch over the years.

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 06:48 PM
I think it would be pretty cool if one of the Ba'als clones turned out to be good, do to some genetic mutation. I think it would have made for a better episode.


LOL!! That’s funny; yeah Ba'al would tell SGC and the alliance that he was stealing the gates for charity.

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 06:50 PM
This was ok. Mitchell got on my nerves as usual. I know alot of people really like the one liners, but to me it's way too much. It's getting old. I want some serious stuff going on, not slaptstick comedy. I very seldom hear them in a normal conversation anymore, it's all high school stuff.

I kind of watched hoping for it to end so I could finally watch Atlantis. I'm just thankful that I have 8 season of the real SG-1 to watch over the years.

Harsh!!!

CYBEREAGLE19
February 10th, 2006, 06:51 PM
great episode, I enjoyed the new ship, the captain was from ER, I liked how theay mention the tok ra, so atleast we know there still around, only thing I dont like is the whole baul cloneing thing,

DrMongol
February 10th, 2006, 06:54 PM
This was ok. Mitchell got on my nerves as usual. I know alot of people really like the one liners, but to me it's way too much. It's getting old. I want some serious stuff going on, not slaptstick comedy. I very seldom hear them in a normal conversation anymore, it's all high school stuff.

I kind of watched hoping for it to end so I could finally watch Atlantis. I'm just thankful that I have 8 season of the real SG-1 to watch over the years.
I agree, leave the one liners for Jack, he seems to be the only one that knows how to use them. (and teal'c of course with his "indeed" but that doesnt count.) Mitchell is trying to fill the empty void left by Jack but he is not doing it very well, not one actor would be able to do that.

AGateFan
February 10th, 2006, 06:59 PM
Why are the Lucian Alliance mercanary guys using machine guns?
You think if they have a bunch of alkesh and hataks and other space ships they may have better hand weapons.

x_sid
February 10th, 2006, 07:01 PM
I loved this episode. It was great. I kind of liked Mitchell's liners. They weren't as good as Ash's from Evild Dead, but they were funny. Landry's sceen's with that gould with the name I don't know how to spell were hilarious. And Carter was looking pretty hot in that thingy she was wearing. I know I'm proably the only one who will say this, but that episode felt like one from earlier seasons.

Of course after this post everyone is going to think I'm nuts.

x_sid
February 10th, 2006, 07:03 PM
Why are the Lucian Alliance mercanary guys using machine guns?
You think if they have a bunch of alkesh and hataks and other space ships they may have better hand weapons.

The guys that were shooting the machine guns looked to be low level, they may only get low tech stuff.

Or there is always the simplicity factor to consider with guns. I'd take an M-240 SAW over a staff weapon any day. Heck I'd take a colt .45 over a staff.

tony
February 10th, 2006, 07:06 PM
he Odyessey was AWSOME! ! ! ! ! ! !

x_sid
February 10th, 2006, 07:11 PM
How many massive, completely underground construction facilities can they have completely with production facilities nearby? Even then, if they had a bunch how many could they actually operate at once? The trinium and naquada are the key components for the ships and have to be mind off world and brought through the gate load by load, there wouldnt be a steady enough supply to continuously operate more than one or two construction projects

There are seveal old Atlas rocket bunkers that would probably be big enough to hold them in Kansas alone. True they've all been closed, and they even turned one into a school, but who's to say how many there are. I'm sure they could easily convert a couple of those things to work.

And considering that the Promethius was around since season six, if they do have two teams I think Daedalus would take one, and Odyssey would take the second.

AGateFan
February 10th, 2006, 07:12 PM
Exactly how did they get Mitchell free without actually killing any of the Allience dudes or getting hurt themselves? Magic?

Descendant of Ancient
February 10th, 2006, 07:14 PM
Baal aquired the asguard beaming technology through Annubis. Since Baal took over Annubis' territories he aquired the asguard technology (Baal also was a serveant to Annubis for a while which could be another way he aquired the technology). Annubis aquired the technology by downloading the asguard information from Thor's Brain.

buckner
February 10th, 2006, 07:16 PM
This was a great ep, I didnt like the new guns or the new captain but beside that it was great. I like teal'c going crazy on the goauld in the ship :P Were they putting tags on the dhds or was it just for the stargates?

warmbeachbrat
February 10th, 2006, 07:20 PM
I'm watching the second showing now and have a couple of questions.

Dr. Lee (why, oh why, didn't they show him in this episode?) determined that this kassa stuff was genetically engineered. I wonder who is behind that?

Hmmm, interesting--Mitchell's never been late for a check in with the SGC. Maybe not quite the complete screw-up that others think.

What incident is Landry referring to when he talks about SG-1 being the first to be implanted with that locating chip?

Do we know when Ba'al acquired Asgard beaming technology?

I'm sure I'll have more.

AGateFan
February 10th, 2006, 07:23 PM
I'm watching the second showing now and have a couple of questions.

Dr. Lee (why, oh why, didn't they show him in this episode?) determined that this kassa stuff was genetically engineered. I wonder who is behind that?

Hmmm, interesting--Mitchell's never been late for a check in with the SGC. Maybe not quite the complete screw-up that others think.

What incident is Landry referring to when he talks about SG-1 being the first to be implanted with that locating chip?

Do we know when Ba'al acquired Asgard beaming technology?

I'm sure I'll have more.

There was no need for Lee as the corn really wasnt part of the plot just a plot device to get the story moving. Maybe they will revisit addictive corn later and Lee can be in that ep.

That Mitchell checkpoint thing... guess they aren't counting babylon, I dont remember enough about the rest of the eps to say whether that is true or not. Seemed like a throw away line just to again try to prove to us that Mitchell is somehow better then eveyone else.

I think Landry was referring to the uber large and obvious transmitter that Daniel was wearing last week in Ethon.

Baal probably got the beaming tech from Anubis.

Skydiver
February 10th, 2006, 07:28 PM
There are seveal old Atlas rocket bunkers that would probably be big enough to hold them in Kansas alone. True they've all been closed, and they even turned one into a school, but who's to say how many there are. I'm sure they could easily convert a couple of those things to work.
so they're building ships around here???? cool!!

although i gotta admit i've logged a lotta road time the past few weeks and haven't seen much in the way of space ships

Skydiver
February 10th, 2006, 07:29 PM
Exactly how did they get Mitchell free without actually killing any of the Allience dudes or getting hurt themselves? Magic?
yet another example of tell instead of show.

thre's been a lot of that lately. such as sam rigging the stargate

they keep telling us that things happen but persist in not showing it

MarshAngel
February 10th, 2006, 07:33 PM
What do you mean feeding Nerus accomplished nothing? That was a key part of the episode because the locater beckon that he ate lead them straight to Ba'al, which in part allowed SG-1 to complete the mission

Not that portion. The plying him with food didn't exactly get more useful information out of him. Dessert should never have been delivered.... not at that moment anyway.

x_sid
February 10th, 2006, 07:38 PM
so they're building ships around here???? cool!!

although i gotta admit i've logged a lotta road time the past few weeks and haven't seen much in the way of space ships

Well that's the trouble with Kansas, there is a lot of wide open space to get lost in. Which I have done more than once, and usually in a really expensive piece of farm machinery that doesn't go over 18 miles per hour.

Besides I thought it would be funny to use some old rocket silo as a miachine shed.

warmbeachbrat
February 10th, 2006, 07:39 PM
There was no need for Lee as the corn really wasnt part of the plot just a plot device to get the story moving. Maybe they will revisit addictive corn later and Lee can be in that ep.

That Mitchell checkpoint thing... guess they aren't counting babylon, I dont remember enough about the rest of the eps to say whether that is true or not. Seemed like a throw away line just to again try to prove to us that Mitchell is somehow better then eveyone else.

I think Landry was referring to the uber large and obvious transmitter that Daniel was wearing last week in Ethon.

Baal probably got the beaming tech from Anubis.

Thanks!

Uh--Anubis? When did he get it? My poor memory!



Ba'al is good with the one-liners, isn't he?

lax god
February 10th, 2006, 07:39 PM
Second, where'd the P-90's go??? Those stupid guns they were using were so thin and small they looked like toys.

Third, the outfits. They didn't make sense at all. TPTB just made them that way to show off the muscles of BB, MS, and CJ. Sex appeal seems to be an increasingly large drive in all the SciFi friday shows:(.

:(.

Did you not get the premise that they were supposed to be traders/mercs. If they would have walked in there with sgc issue black or olive drab uniforms and p90s they would have been spotted as tauri right away. So they had to use more exotic weapons.

I think it was a pretty good ep. It got the team together for a good portion of the ep. It was also a good non ori ep. and it made the lucian alliance more of a threat (maybe for s10).

Skydiver
February 10th, 2006, 07:39 PM
Well that's the trouble with Kansas, there is a lot of wide open space to get lost in. Which I have done more than once, and usually in a really expensive piece of farm machinery that doesn't go over 18 miles per hour.

Besides I thought it would be funny to use some old rocket silo as a miachine shed.
lol, well at least we got a lot of roads. and if you drive long enough you'll find somewhere familiar

Skydiver
February 10th, 2006, 07:40 PM
Thanks!

Uh--Anubis? When did he get it? My poor memory!
probably back from revelations when he downloaded thor's brain and baal got the info from nuby

Dani347
February 10th, 2006, 07:41 PM
Dessert should never have been delivered.... not at that moment anyway.

I agree.

Cpt. Obvious
February 10th, 2006, 07:49 PM
you know snow is nice unless it knocks out some of your channels on satellite such as the SciFi channel!!! i wanted to watch it again but i couldn't...:(

randy
February 10th, 2006, 07:51 PM
Looks like the Odyssey is going to be to SG1 what the Deddy is to Atlantis - a deus ex machina.



Wrong usage of deus ex machina.

binkpmmc
February 10th, 2006, 07:52 PM
Okay I tried to go in liking this ep and I was hopeful - again - BUT right off the bat they once again show us cowboy Mitchell being, IMO, arrogant by going in as the drug dealer, screwing it up and getting the team in trouble - AGAIN, after Landry told them to stay under the radar (can you say plot-device). TPTB continue to boggle my mind by showing Mitchell to lack judgment and to be a poor co-leader. He is an arse, IMO. The one-liners were old long ago and there were waaay too many of them in this ep. I am now calling them Jackisms but the problem is Mitchell cannot pull it off and he spouts them constantly - that whole briefing room scene was one big waste of time with Mitchell's silly lines. IMO he contributes absolutley nothing substantive.

On the planet - Mitchell's lame "do we know any other alliances?" and Teal'c or Daniel's retort of "plenty" (I already forget who said it but it was a good slap to Mitchell) what a tool (a plot-tool - IMO more of the crappy writing).

That whole scene with the Luciance Alliance guys at the beginning and tell him "Mr. Shaft" yadda yadda - pppffft.

I did notice at more than one place including when Mitchell is first talking with the Alliance guys - after he went against Landry's orders (as pointed out by Carter) that they need to stay under the radar - and at the end in the Gate Room, that Carter and Daniel seem pretty sick of Mitchell and his childish antics. He is a tool. He disobeys Landry's order to be what? the "Man"? and promptly AGAIN leads the team into trouble because he has to go off an be the cowboy and screw it up - yikes when will someone just shoot the guy and put us (and the Big 3) out of our misery. The team would be much, much safer without good ol' boy around so next time he goes off and gets t
himself or them into trouble they should just leave him there

Colonel Reynolds - yeah for Reynolds - why isn't HE on the team?

Colonel Emerson - him I liked - (one of the DRs. from ER thanks to someone earlier who clarified why he was so familiar).

Thank God the Tok'ra are still around - too bad we don't get to see THEM - bring back the Tok'ra!! PLEASE!!

I love Ba'al but I thought he was wasted in this ep

After beaming to the Odyssey getting out of another Mitchell near-miss Mitchell's "How about that for timing" was annoying since he was the arse that got them into trouble in the first place.

Good - we actually got to see the GATE and the wormhole - yiipppeee it does STILL exist and it works- yeah! More of that for the final 4 eps PLEASE!

I kind of liked Nerus - too bad he seems to have eaten it at the hands of Ba'al(pun intended).

Good - Carter, once again saves the day no thanks to you-know-who. Thank God someone has a brain left ("We're more valuable alive". What on earth was the matter with Daniel? He was more than gung-ho last week to talk and negotiate the way for those aliens but the cat's got his golden negotiation tongue when it comes to his own hide and the hides of his team? The fact that Carter gave him that reason and he reacts for a cheap laugh just shows me that writers have truly lost their way with these characters). Poor Teal'c he was once again somewhat sidelined until we got to see his big arms and upper bod - okay we know he's cut - move on and give up the gratuitous showing-off - what is that, compensation to CJ because they give hm almost nothing to do?

Sorry but, for me, the bad outweighed the good here again and even though I went in hopeful the fact that Mitchell seems to be continuously digressing and continues to show bad judgment and immature, wanna be the cowby, behaviour that leads the team into trouble, left me once again disappointed even though my expectations cannnot get much lower. Again, I saw nothing of substance from Mitchell except the plot tool (and tool in general) to move the plot along and TPTB gave him a wide tool swath in this episode.

At the end I really thought Carter and/or Daniel were going to let loose on him but they held their composure and just chose to walk away from him. I see absolutely no team bonding with scenes such as this or the earlier one where he was talking to the Alliance guys. I also saw some of it in the briefing room. Eye rolls, sarcastic smirks at the constant nonsensical lines he spews (who cares about his grandmothers chitlins or whatver the he!! he was talking about - irrelevant BS that does not work, IMO, and contributes zilch to the episode) - I do not get the feeling that they respect him and isn't that what TPTB want us to believe from what they have said about why this joker is co-leader? They either have a very warped way of showing it or they want us to bellieve that at least Carter and Daniel think the guy is an arse.

S9 seesm to be boiling down to this for me:

Mitchell = trouble with a capital T, T also = Tool and he is the token plot device. TPTB discussion: Gee we need the team to get into trouble - let's make Mitchell do something else stupid this week that will get them in trouble (unfortunately it seems that TPTB think Mitchell's bad judgment and immature behaviour makes him look cool or like a hero -- geesh what a sad state of affairs).

The BIG3 = get Mitchell's sorry arse out of Trouble, save themselves when Mitchell's antics get them into trouble too when they try to save his sorry butt and work it so they successfully complete their original mission, no thanks to cowboy shaft. If I had ot give this a number on a scale of 1 - 5 it gets a 2 simply because of the BIG 3 being present, Col. Reynolds and Col. Emerson. Oh yeah - what was with those puny little guns - where were the P-90s???

binkpmmc
February 10th, 2006, 07:56 PM
Exactly how did they get Mitchell free without actually killing any of the Allience dudes or getting hurt themselves? Magic?

Oh right - there's another question I had - I asked myself as they ran through the woods - how did THAT happen? Same question I asked last week when we went from Daniel and Jared in the Commissary to Daniel and Jared in a jail cell on the planet - pretty neat tricks. Oh yeah we're supposed to make that up ourselves and just go with it - right. forgot. sorry. I'll remember that for next week when we get the same type of crappy writing, editing, directing (maybe they should pay us instead of the writers since we now have to imagine so much of what has supposedly happened).

It is becoming painfully clear that when the actors, directors, writers, etc., say they do not watch the finished, as aired epsiodes, they are not lying. They probably have no clue how stupid some of this stuff looks and plays out.

ShardsofGlass
February 10th, 2006, 08:04 PM
yet another example of tell instead of show.

thre's been a lot of that lately. such as sam rigging the stargate

they keep telling us that things happen but persist in not showing it

No, that is not an example of tell and not show. ANd how is Sam rigging the Stargate "telling instead of showing"? Telling is when they tell us what happened without showing us. With freeing Mitchell, they never told us how they did it, they just showed the result -- that he was free. Same with Sam rigging the Stargate. She said she had an idea, and then we saw the result. Neither of these things bothered me.

AGateFan
February 10th, 2006, 08:08 PM
Oh right - there's another question I had - I asked myself as they ran through the woods - how did THAT happen? Same question I asked last week when we went from Daniel and Jared in the Commissary to Daniel and Jared in a jail cell on the planet - pretty neat tricks. Oh yeah we're supposed to make that up ourselves and just go with it - right. forgot. sorry. I'll remember that for next week when we get the same type of crappy writing, editing, directing (maybe they should pay us instead of the writers since we now have to imagine so much of what has supposedly happened).

It is becoming painfully clear that when the actors, directors, writers, etc., say they do not watch the finished, as aired epsiodes, they are not lying. They probably have no clue how stupid some of this stuff looks and plays out.
They did this same thing with Ford in The Hive. Its a cheap out for the writer. Basically the writer has no logical way to get the character out of spot A and into spot B so they go away and come back and the character is magially in spot B with everything left to the viewers imagination.

J. Michael Straczynski mentioned this type of cheap way out in one of the B5 commentaries when he did this sort of thing for one of his characters. He didnt really have a way for the character to get out of the situation but knew where he wanted him to end up so..... cut to another scene, come back and WaLa the character is where he needed to be.

walterIsTheMan
February 10th, 2006, 08:11 PM
Did you not get the premise that they were supposed to be traders/mercs. If they would have walked in there with sgc issue black or olive drab uniforms and p90s they would have been spotted as tauri right away. So they had to use more exotic weapons.

I think it was a pretty good ep. It got the team together for a good portion of the ep. It was also a good non ori ep. and it made the lucian alliance more of a threat (maybe for s10).
I'm not saying they had to wear SGC outfits, but what they were wearing wasn't necessary.

And the guns had nothing to do with being undercover because we see Teal'c and Daniel using them again when they were on Ba'al's ship.

majorsal
February 10th, 2006, 08:20 PM
it was alright.

nothing horrible, but nothing great.

i liked seeing nerus, and his and landry's scenes were funny and well acted.

the L... L-something alliance were just thugs. the scenes where they were beating up sg1 were... not scarey. might have been more threatening if mitchell would have cut out his one-liners long enough.

mitchell is sure a big hero, isn't he? :rolleyes: is a person that's not afraid to die a hero, or just insane?

i 'did' like, though, the cute little argument on who was the most drug dealer looking. sam as mary poppins! :p

at the end, when sg1 come through the stargate and mitchell is all gung ho, i liked the difference between his 'wow, isn't this great!' to sam and daniel's 'i'm taking a shower' and 'i'm going to see a doctor'. i think sam and daniel have been through enough that maybe they're... just getting sick of it? but it was interesting to see the difference. hmmm... might be foreshadowing perhaps?

so, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being best; i'll give it a 5. some fun scenes, but over all, i feel like i've eaten a meal of celery.




sally :)

JUNIOR
February 10th, 2006, 08:28 PM
Oh right - there's another question I had - I asked myself as they ran through the woods - how did THAT happen? Same question I asked last week when we went from Daniel and Jared in the Commissary to Daniel and Jared in a jail cell on the planet - pretty neat tricks. Oh yeah we're supposed to make that up ourselves and just go with it - right. forgot. sorry. I'll remember that for next week when we get the same type of crappy writing, editing, directing (maybe they should pay us instead of the writers since we now have to imagine so much of what has supposedly happened).

It is becoming painfully clear that when the actors, directors, writers, etc., say they do not watch the finished, as aired epsiodes, they are not lying. They probably have no clue how stupid some of this stuff looks and plays out.

Maybe they did shoot it originaly but got strapped for time and had to lose it in the final cut.

AGateFan
February 10th, 2006, 08:30 PM
Maybe they did shoot it originaly but got strapped for time and had to lose it in the final cut.
If that was true why did they show the same scene twice?

spg_1983
February 10th, 2006, 08:32 PM
Wrong usage of deus ex machina.
No its not, the modern definition of a deus ex machina is a plot device that appears out of no where and does not follow logic as a conveniant plot solution.

Cpt. Obvious
February 10th, 2006, 08:32 PM
If that was true why did they show the same scene twice?

i was so writing that...well...something like that...as in i share the thought.

binkpmmc
February 10th, 2006, 08:33 PM
Maybe they did shoot it originaly but got strapped for time and had to lose it in the final cut.

valid point - maybe they did. Perhaps though, if that was the case, we could have used less of the nonsubstantive nonsense from Mitchell in the briefing room and what foods his grandmother makes and could have actually been shown something SUBSTANTIVE to the story?

binkpmmc
February 10th, 2006, 08:34 PM
If that was true why did they show the same scene twice?

oh right - that too.

DEM
February 10th, 2006, 08:39 PM
The final 15 minutes felt like Stargate SG-1, otherwise :ronananime17:.

Would someone please put Col Good Ole Boy out of my misery? And Genl Blowhard can take a hike, too. I hear P3W-451 is nice this time of year.

:sam43: :danielanime07: :tealc34:

NotAscended
February 10th, 2006, 08:41 PM
If that was true why did they show the same scene twice?

The writers have been watching too much BSG.

LtColonelSamC
February 10th, 2006, 08:44 PM
at the end, when sg1 come through the stargate and mitchell is all gung ho, i liked the difference between his 'wow, isn't this great!' to sam and daniel's 'i'm taking a shower' and 'i'm going to see a doctor'. i think sam and daniel have been through enough that maybe they're... just getting sick of it? but it was interesting to see the difference. hmmm... might be foreshadowing perhaps?

sally :)

Interesting point...I didn't think of that at all until you posted...

randy
February 10th, 2006, 08:51 PM
No its not, the modern definition of a deus ex machina is a plot device that appears out of no where and does not follow logic as a conveniant plot solution.

Again, wrong usage, read my post. He proferred when Odyssey became the new ship of Earth that it was construed as an analog to Daedalus of Atlantis. Now, how exactly is that a deus ex machina? It's only logical that the Ori satelite would suffice in power and give an unduly inclination to the destruction of the Prometheus when fired upon. Thus, a new ship would become the surrogate in its wake. Nothing there suggests otherwise.

DrMongol
February 10th, 2006, 08:55 PM
I have a question. I wasnt really paying attention when it happened because I was on the phone, but didnt Landry say something about sending Nerus through the stargate to a Black Hole yet in a couple scenes later, Nerus is alive and as large as ever. Maybe the black hole could not consume his girth and spit him back out. Otherwise I heard completely wrong.

AGateFan
February 10th, 2006, 08:58 PM
I have a question. I wasnt really paying attention when it happened because I was on the phone, but didnt Landry say something about sending Nerus through the stargate to a Black Hole yet in a couple scenes later, Nerus is alive and as large as ever. Maybe the black hole could not consume his girth and spit him back out. Otherwise I heard completely wrong.
Landry had made a deal with Nerus where Nerus gave Landry the stargate address to Baals base. At least that was the deal. Landry assumed that Nerus lied and indicated he thought that Nerus probably gave them the gate address to a black hole or worse. So he didnt say he sent Nerus to a black hole he said he thought Nerus was trying to send us to one.

Actually pretty smart by landry. Other then continously giving Nerus food for no good reason and wearing the dumbaz jacket again I thought he did pretty good in this ep.

DrMongol
February 10th, 2006, 09:01 PM
Landry had made a deal with Nerus where Nerus gave Landry the stargate address to Baals base. At least that was the deal. Landry assumed that Nerus lied and indicated he thought that Nerus probably gave them the gate address to a black hole or worse. So he didnt say he sent Nerus to a black hole he said he thought Nerus was trying to send us to one.

Actually pretty smart by landry. Other then continously giving Nerus food for no good reason and wearing the dumbaz jacket again I thought he did pretty good in this ep.
Ok, well, at least I heard the word blackhole and I am not losing my mind.

saxamoophone
February 10th, 2006, 09:16 PM
Wow, not even one episode passed with earth ship-less.....

RIP Pegasus...you were...well...remembered for about 5 minutes after you blew up....

Episode was alright. Good directing. Felt kinda like a SG-1 Team thing.

But overall this season has been kinda poopy to me. Probably in part because SD-TV looks quite crappy on a HD-TV. Hey, if you're watching a crappy picture, it takes away a lot of the enjoyment. Hopefully Sci-Fi will launch Sci-Fi-HD soon (or at least have Stargate Air on Universal HD since Sci-Fi is a universal channel property.)

NotAscended
February 10th, 2006, 09:30 PM
Wow, not even one episode passed with earth ship-less.....

RIP Pegasus...you were...well...remembered for about 5 minutes after you blew up....



RIP Prometheus.

Guess that proves the point.

yowo
February 10th, 2006, 09:32 PM
:jack_new15: :sam43: :danielanime05: :tealc34: :hammond08:


I am a huge Stargate fan .Therefore I always try to see the best in an episode. The best thing about this episode was the Mary Poppins crack. I think that Amanda, Chris, and Michael, did a good job with what they had to work with. I will watch it again to see if it will grow on me, because I really want the show to get back what it has lost. I am searching for things to like about this episode. I did like the end when Sam and Daniel seemed fed up. I really want to see some emotions back in the show, some depth of feeling, something. Where were the looks of horror when their Teammates were being knocked around? It breaks my heart that I don’t feel the emotional bonds that the team once had. I know my mind is always wondering back to Jack and Sam, maybe if they answered that question (in a positive way) I would be able to accept BB better. Now all I feel is resentment. Maybe if those questions were answered I would feel free to like the new episodes better.
I am truly trying! That’s my opinion.

Ziu
February 10th, 2006, 10:10 PM
:cool: I liked this episode. Looks like SG-1 is going back to their roots, just like old times.

Ramne
February 10th, 2006, 10:16 PM
Solid episode, glad they gave us another ship right away.

NotAscended
February 10th, 2006, 10:22 PM
On second watching (yes, I should go to bed already), a really fun episode. Lots of nice team interaction, and Nerus and Landry were funny. Sorry that it looks like we won't see that Gouald again. And ... maybe we got some more stargates! (Been bothered about the lack of a backup since Earth lost one several seasons ago.)

Buzz Lightyear
February 10th, 2006, 11:25 PM
I'm not saying they had to wear SGC outfits, but what they were wearing wasn't necessary.

And the guns had nothing to do with being undercover because we see Teal'c and Daniel using them again when they were on Ba'al's ship.

Since they had to wear SOMETHING, it might as well be that. I thought they looked like they could be members of Worrell's little Lucian Alliance group, though since they didn't do much snooping around amongst the natives, the outfits were kind of wasted. But they WERE nice eye candy, which actually might have been the primary purpose of those costumes. ;)

As for the guns, they kept them hidden (probably cached behind some trees) till their "cover" was effectively blown.

Agent_Dark
February 11th, 2006, 12:29 AM
Second, where'd the P-90's go??? Those stupid guns they were using were so thin and small they looked like toys.
Actually, the MP-7 is a direct competitor to the P-90 in the PDW class. Possibly out performs it too.

Agent_Dark
February 11th, 2006, 12:38 AM
I rather liked this episode. Sam was hot, there was some good action, good humour and an enjoyable plot.

A couple of things I noticed - they have given the Odyssey a U.S.S. designation now. It's also classified as a Deepspace Carrier (look on the unit seals in the background. It has USS Odyssey and Deepspace Carrier written on them). That might clear up some debate on what the naming conventions for the ships are.

The Lucian Alliance also seem alot more formiddable than the mockery they were in The Ties That Bind. I'm now alot more interested in how they fit into the galactic scene.

Kinda sad to see Nerus go. He was one of the more humourous Goa'uld, a perfect offset to Ba'al's suaveness and seriousness.

Probably the best of the season IMO, followed closely by Ripple Effect.

russ_sg1
February 11th, 2006, 02:59 AM
Good episode, nice to see some action again

One thing bugged me, why was landry concerned the stargates would be destroyed at the end when he found out baals ship exploded, they already know that stargates can survive almost anything - meteor strikes, thor's ship crashing on earth to name a few...

Would have been cool to see the active stargate survive the destruction of baals ship, just floating in space....

and why couldnt they just target the gates when the shields were down and beam them back? they have asgard sensors... do they need locator beacons?

But im just being picky, twas a good episode...

Buzz Lightyear
February 11th, 2006, 03:29 AM
and why couldnt they just target the gates when the shields were down and beam them back? they have asgard sensors... do they need locator beacons?

Probably too difficult or takes too much time to scan for the gates. After all, there are lots of naquada sources on a Goa'uld mothership. How do you sort them all out?

LennyLen
February 11th, 2006, 03:48 AM
He proferred when Odyssey became the new ship of Earth that it was construed as an analog to Daedalus of Atlantis. Now, how exactly is that a deus ex machina?

Because the Daedalus appeared miraculously in the nick of time to save Atlantis, just as the Odyssey appeared miraculously in the nick of tine to save SG1. No indication had been given previously in either case that such a rescue cold be possible.

So the deus ex machina call is valid.

kazzyk
February 11th, 2006, 03:56 AM
What was this? 3 unfinished scripts tossed together?
Can Cam please stop slobbering!

travis
February 11th, 2006, 03:58 AM
Hey does anyone have a picture of the Odyssey? By the way I agree with the people who dislike Mitchell. He does irritate me to. I've watch up till the ep Ethon with a open mind to give this character a chance to intergrate with the show and crew dynamic but I'm sorry it's just not working for me. I wished Carter was in charge and Mitch under her comand, it only seems natural and right.

SGFerrit
February 11th, 2006, 04:09 AM
So they can build and launch a ship in less then a year with a limitied trickle of raw materials and a fabrication process that must be done completely in secret and then assembled in secret? Come on. There is suspension of disbelief and then there is the writers insulting our intelligence. This definately falls into the later.

You ever think that maybe the ships have been U/C for 4 years and The daedalus was just the first to finish? plus, dont forget we have the Asgard helping us with each ship. And I dont see any reason why they couldnt build any of these off world.

AGateFan
February 11th, 2006, 04:37 AM
Hey does anyone have a picture of the Odyssey? By the way I agree with the people who dislike Mitchell. He does irritate me to. I've watch up till the ep Ethon with a open mind to give this character a chance to intergrate with the show and crew dynamic but I'm sorry it's just not working for me. I wished Carter was in charge and Mitch under her comand, it only seems natural and right.
Just look at a picture of the Deadelus. As far as I can tell they are using the same SGI for both ships.

SGFerrit
February 11th, 2006, 04:48 AM
Here ya go:

Does anyone think it looks a little different?

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9372/screenhunter2752my.jpg (Originally posted by Wraith Hunter)

SGFerrit
February 11th, 2006, 04:52 AM
It seems this episode has provoked very mixed reactions from our jolly forumers, doesnt it

I personnaly cant wait to see it. Loved Ethon last week and Im really lookin forward to seeing the odyssey(which most people have known about for months so it didnt really just 'appear out of no where') And also the cool looking scenes inside the Gould mothership.

I have one question though:

Did Odyssey kick alot of a** in this episode? Destroy lots of naughty Lucian Alliance members?

macktheknife
February 11th, 2006, 05:03 AM
No, whoever the weapons officer is needs to be court martield, captain says to target the lead ship, then we see (In the cgi shot) that it attacks 2 of them.

This ep was really good in the last 10 or so mins, but the rest was good too.

Anyone else get a major flashback to Homeworld the pc game? If anyone can check the full credits, does "Michael Sunczyk" appear (possibly Campbell Lane, Brian Arnold, or Lucas Wolf). I'm sure that baals officer is the same guy, and he said almost identical lines to in the game. "We are being hailed", "Detecting 4 other ships in close proximity" etc.

Love that new gun mitchell had, I think I said somewhere it was G36K, and it owned those Jaffa, and so did Teal'c with the dual wield MP7.

walterIsTheMan
February 11th, 2006, 05:29 AM
I rather liked this episode. Sam was hot
Which episode is she not?;)

shockwave
February 11th, 2006, 05:29 AM
this was a good episode
a good classic team episode, we haven't had such one in quite some time (last time was Its Good To Be King I think)

I liked Nerus better in Beachhead

AGateFan
February 11th, 2006, 05:31 AM
I must say the one thing I did really, really, really like about this ep was when they were in the Mothership moving down the hallway in a move and cover situaiton. Too bad that scene was too short and then followed by the improbably dual weilding (acutally hitting something) thing which took me out of the reality of the moment. Of course it did look cool and for some thats all that really matters.

Mio
February 11th, 2006, 05:47 AM
What was with their weapons?

Anyway, it was an OK ep, and on the plus side, we now have 20 or so Stargates to do whatever we want with.

macktheknife
February 11th, 2006, 05:51 AM
I thought baal was going to do something cool, like blow up suns and stuff with them. But noooo, he just wanted to make another empire (?). Bah. Sorry baal, but your evil schemes just don't have the kick that they used to.

SGFerrit
February 11th, 2006, 05:53 AM
What was with their weapons?

Anyway, it was an OK ep, and on the plus side, we now have 20 or so Stargates to do whatever we want with.

We actually got the stargates he stole!? COOL!

chocdoc
February 11th, 2006, 06:05 AM
The episode had some good moments, but lots of plotholes as others have mentioned. And for me the suspense was not really there.

I did like Sam and Daniel in it. Sam continues to be consistently competent and getting the job done. Daniel was good--but even here Daniel would normally be able to come up with better ways to respond when they were captured. Daniel was used mainly as soldierDaniel in this one.

I am dumbfounded at how poorly Mitchell continues to be written. IMO, the writers fail to write him as a believable and credible leader. They sacrifice him for the sake of the plot. Sam and Daniel just seem to be annoyed with him. He is cocky and obnoxious. I liked Mitchell in Ethon, but here we go again with a poorly written Mitchell in this episode. Just IMO, but I think that way he is written is ruining the show. He is in the forefront much of the time, and his lines are often cringeworthy. This is totally unfair to BB. They are having him play a leader who can be easily discredited at every turn, and even Sam and Daniel are reacting to him this way on screen. They tolerate him at at best. I'm not saying they don't like him; but as the "leader"---why would I think that they have any confidence in him? As a result, the whole show is losing credibility. Sam is far more competent, level-headed, and gets the job done.

I liked the last scene--particularly Daniel and Sam's reaction to Mitchell in the end.

SGFerrit
February 11th, 2006, 06:13 AM
I think mitchell does have his bad moments but I think his character will improve, i'm quite looking for to Aurthurs mantel when him and Sam go out of phase (or something) and they have to use it to help out the Sodan. I personally dont mind him at all but i'll admit the carachter can be a little annoying some times but I think that will stop soon when i get more used to him. I like him overall.

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
February 11th, 2006, 06:23 AM
I found that the episode had a handful of flaws, but most of them were in the first 28 minutes or so. Mitchell totally pulled an O'Neiller (DANIEL: We have a problem... MITCHELL: Yes, we're shooting at it!), but it was okay, I suppose. Not too serious. Super-corn? Sounds okay, I guess. Not great, but not bad. However, the "who would be a better drug pusher" debate seemed like something that the producers thought was a good idea at the moment, and it probably looked better on paper. It was funny, sure - espescially Teal'c's role in it - but it was pointless and it pushed Mitchell away from the team. I thought the "Mary Poppins" line was funny, but mean. Daniel is the better negotiator, so Mitchell should have let him do it - although, Daniel is getting a bit edgier. "What the hell was that?" Yeah, O'Neill rubbed off on him. Now, the Lucian Alliance. They... well, seemed rather pathetic. They move in large groups in plain sight and they have big guns. Did anyone think of throwing a grenade, or setting up a defensive perimeter around the gate, knowing that they were probably going to a hostile world? I didn't like that too much, it seemed a bit hasty. Also, they seemed less alien and more of a hybrid between the mafia and drug-dealers in the streets of New York. Not too cool, or impressive. And when they were about to execute the rest of SG-1 aside from Cameron, to show him watch his team-mates die... I mean, what were the rest of SG-1 thinking? Accepting him like that. Cameron doing nothing to try to stop the alliance. Could have said something.

But enough of the nitpicking from that. The later half of the episode got much better. Team action. Cam stopped being an entire hothead, and worked with Teal'c and Jackson to hold of the jaffa while Carter tagged the gates. Carter saved all their butts when she dialed them out of there after tagging the last gate. The CGI ship battle was amazing - although, the establishing shots of the alliance ships showed them not rotating, as we know that those ships should. But other than that, it left a good taste in my mouth. The very last scene was enjoyable, "we are indeed suitably employed."

Overall, I give it a **1/2. It was an enjoyable but average episode, for the most part, but it wasn't an arc-driven one or character development one to get above that.

nccjones
February 11th, 2006, 07:06 AM
Here ya go:

Does anyone think it looks a little different?

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9372/screenhunter2752my.jpg (Originally posted by Wraith Hunter)

Looking at the picture, I totally find it unbelievable. I mean, the Stargate program is sooooo secret that only a few in the world know about it. Even most of our own military doesn't know anything about it. But yet there is this massive ship hovering over our atmosphere and not one obeservatory or even amateur astronomer doesn't see the the ship? Hello?

Just a little nitpick.

binkpmmc
February 11th, 2006, 07:08 AM
The episode had some good moments, but lots of plotholes as others have mentioned. And for me the suspense was not really there.

I did like Sam and Daniel in it. Sam continues to be consistently competent and getting the job done. Daniel was good--but even here Daniel would normally be able to come up with better ways to respond when they were captured. Daniel was used mainly as soldierDaniel in this one.

I am dumbfounded at how poorly Mitchell continues to be written. IMO, the writers fail to write him as a believable and credible leader. They sacrifice him for the sake of the plot. Sam and Daniel just seem to be annoyed with him. He is cocky and obnoxious. I liked Mitchell in Ethon, but here we go again with a poorly written Mitchell in this episode. Just IMO, but I think that way he is written is ruining the show. He is in the forefront much of the time, and his lines are often cringeworthy. This is totally unfair to BB. They are having him play a leader who can be easily discredited at every turn, and even Sam and Daniel are reacting to him this way on screen. They tolerate him at at best. I'm not saying they don't like him; but as the "leader"---why would I think that they have any confidence in him? As a result, the whole show is losing credibility. Sam is far more competent, level-headed, and gets the job done.

I liked the last scene--particularly Daniel and Sam's reaction to Mitchell in the end.

chocdoc - good post - channeling my thoughts. The statement "are having him play a leader who can be easily discredited at every turn" is so very true, IMO. It can certainly be seen in differnet ways by different people but the fact that so many of his actions, from week to week, can be so easily used as solid examples of bad judgment, immature and reckless behaviour that puts the team in danger, etc., etc., is disturbing for a guy that is supposedly such a grand ol' guy (so say TPTB - I have still not seen much of that aspect of his supposed self at all and it's 16 epsiodes in already) and supposed co-leader (and that is becoming very, very questionable in my book). Carter looks, acts and carries herself as so much more the competent leader, hel! just leader in general, it is hard to take Mitchell seriously at all (not just when he is cracking nonsensical, nonsubstantive one-liners, which seems like it was the whole episode this time around).

It's funny because I watched and liked FS for S1-3 now though, BB makes me cringe because his character is such a . . . what? I don't even know how to describe him he's so all over the place and so bad and so hard to believe that this is what they think SG1 is about - there really is no way to describe him unless I was to say reckless, self-absorbed arse.

spg_1983
February 11th, 2006, 07:20 AM
You ever think that maybe the ships have been U/C for 4 years and The daedalus was just the first to finish? plus, dont forget we have the Asgard helping us with each ship. And I dont see any reason why they couldnt build any of these off world.
Well lets see they build Prometheus first and that was the prototype, that was launched in season 6. It wouldnt really make sense to start building other ones before your prototype was finished would it? Even if they were building all these concurrently, and Im not willing to concede that they are, do you honestly believe that they were able to sustaon building operations with the flow of raw materials from the SGC? Plus keep it all secret? How many massive underground facilities that suck up billions of dollars can they really have that are set in the middle of no where so no one can see the ships launch? It is just bad writing.

Jonzey
February 11th, 2006, 07:55 AM
I thought it was a pretty good ep. I'm interested to see if we revisit the Lucian Alliance again and find out why they're trying to get whole planets of people addicted to the corn (whether it's just to make money, or something more sinister...) because Mitchell failed to find out their plan like he wanted too.

He is a little annoying, I'll admit. And Sam and Daniel even seemed pretty pissed off with him a few times.

But you'd think they'd have learned by now that our pathetic little railguns have absolutley no effect against Goa'uld motherships. Or anything with shields, for that matter.

jckfan55
February 11th, 2006, 08:02 AM
chocdoc - good post - channeling my thoughts. The statement "are having him play a leader who can be easily discredited at every turn" is so very true, IMO. It can certainly be seen in differnet ways by different people but the fact that so many of his actions, from week to week, can be so easily used as solid examples of bad judgment, immature and reckless behaviour that puts the team in danger, etc., etc., is disturbing for a guy that is supposedly such a grand ol' guy (so say TPTB - I have still not seen much of that aspect of his supposed self at all and it's 16 epsiodes in already) and supposed co-leader (and that is becoming very, very questionable in my book). Carter looks, acts and carries herself as so much more the competent leader, hel! just leader in general, it is hard to take Mitchell seriously at all (not just when he is cracking nonsensical, nonsubstantive one-liners, which seems like it was the whole episode this time around).

It's funny because I watched and liked FS for S1-3 now though, BB makes me cringe because his character is such a . . . what? I don't even know how to describe him he's so all over the place and so bad and so hard to believe that this is what they think SG1 is about - there really is no way to describe him unless I was to say reckless, self-absorbed arse.

What you said. I liked that they had the whole team off world together and it had its moments, but this Cam problem is jarring.

Bobthespirit
February 11th, 2006, 08:26 AM
I have to say I hated this episode.

Mitchell, based on his actions in this episode, is completely unfit to command. He goes alone to talk to the galactic mafia assuming he's a good enough BSer to convince them of anything. His contingency plan is "Hightail it to the gate outnumbered about ten to one, hoping they'll miss us with all their automatic weapons."

Mitchell needs to take a clinic in basic battle tactics. It's amazing he made it to colenol without any perceiveable strategic training or even basic common sense. Daniel is a more effective military tactical thinker.

Niruz is *not* an entertaining bumbling-villain type and just struck me as annoying. Plus they're giving both sides even more Star-Trekesque capabilities than they did before, bringing Stargate even further from what made it appealing in the first place.

I also want to know how Baal suddenly has an army of jaffa again. It doesn't strike me as very 'Jaffa' to serve somebody they now know posed as a god for thousands of years. And this 'infinite Baal clone' deal was obviously done just so they could kill off as many Baals as they want without killing off the most popular villain in the show.

DrDJackson
February 11th, 2006, 08:35 AM
Good episode.... Mitchell was crap.... (can I say that here?) Daniel was Great as were Sam and Teal'c.

But 1 major question from me is: Where the heck are our beloved P90s, what are these dinky-*** weapons that SG1 was using. They didnt look cool.... not even Tealc with his dual weillding.... Have they not changed SG1 enough this season... first Mitchell then the 303 and now the P90s, whats next? The Stargate is moved to New York to the Intrepid Museum?

Hubble
February 11th, 2006, 08:41 AM
The episode had some good moments, but lots of plotholes as others have mentioned. And for me the suspense was not really there.

I did like Sam and Daniel in it. Sam continues to be consistently competent and getting the job done. Daniel was good--but even here Daniel would normally be able to come up with better ways to respond when they were captured. Daniel was used mainly as soldierDaniel in this one.

I am dumbfounded at how poorly Mitchell continues to be written. IMO, the writers fail to write him as a believable and credible leader. They sacrifice him for the sake of the plot. Sam and Daniel just seem to be annoyed with him. He is cocky and obnoxious. I liked Mitchell in Ethon, but here we go again with a poorly written Mitchell in this episode. Just IMO, but I think that way he is written is ruining the show. He is in the forefront much of the time, and his lines are often cringeworthy. This is totally unfair to BB. They are having him play a leader who can be easily discredited at every turn, and even Sam and Daniel are reacting to him this way on screen. They tolerate him at at best. I'm not saying they don't like him; but as the "leader"---why would I think that they have any confidence in him? As a result, the whole show is losing credibility. Sam is far more competent, level-headed, and gets the job done.

I liked the last scene--particularly Daniel and Sam's reaction to Mitchell in the end.

I agree with you completely except I probably saw fewer good moment than you might have. Most posters commented on a "team" feeling; having them all together again and yup they were together. For me it's almost like the writing has become so bad, the absence of team so glaring that if the writers make a team episode and give us all 4 members together, no matter how innane/insipid the story, how many plotholes, how horrible the writing, we as fans say, oh great, a team episode – they were all together, worked together toward a common goal and gee, did you hear that one line of little banter between Daniel and Mitchell? Talk about low pleasure threshhold.

Mitchell is an embarrassment IMO. I just cannot believe the writers think he is funny, witty or likeable written the way he is – or are they intentionally trying to write him as an unlikeable obnoxious jerk? I just cannot connect with this character at all. His one-liners are not funny or well-delivered. I loved Ben as Crichton on Farscape and now I'm just not liking him at all as this Mr. Shaft.

The leather? Was there any possible reason to dress them in leather other than for the "drool" effect?

I *do* like the way Sam has been written lately, but she quickly fixed the DHD so they could get off the ship? Not even Data could have hot-wired that in the amount of time they had left. Nonsensical writing.

Nerus Wolffe? Didn't like it the first time and liked the character even less this time. And Daniel, the great negotiator, can't even come up with one reason why SG-1 shouldn't be killed?

Daniel and Teal'c aren't military -- they should go on strike and refuse to go on any more missions which are lead by idiot Mitchell. Can't imagine what kind of trouble the combination of Cam Shaft as leader and Vala–the selfish are going to get SG-1 into.

Lordy, Jack at his dumbest never made me cringe like Mitchell does. If the writers want people to forget about Jack, writing Mitchell the way they have certainly is not gonna accomplish that, not IMO.

GateAngel
February 11th, 2006, 08:44 AM
There are only two good reasons I have for wanting to keep this episode on tape and not record over it.

1. Daniel in leather

2.Teal'c in leather

That's about it.

So is Ba'al really dead, or is he going to bounce back again (ok bad pun, I know, but I couldn't resist).

I have come to the conclusion that Nerus is Felger's father! He snuck onto earth many years ago and had an affair with Felger's mother. That is the only way to explain why the two of them are exactly the same type of annoying, unfunny character. Having Landry dealing with him was an insult to Landry. To Beau Bridges' credit he managed to keep Landry's integrity and credibility as a character intact thoughout this episode. Nerus was the worst thing about this episode.

I sincerley hope that when he went to see her, Dr. Lam made Daniel hand over the perscription of valium he had been misusing throughout this episode. I know Daniel needed the perscription to deal with the stress of Vala and the Ori, but it's time to make him hand it over. If he had been anymore laidback in this episode, Teal'c would have had to carry him around.

And while Lam is at it, she should make sure Mitchell stays away from the sugar. If he had been anymore hyper in this episode, Sam would have needed to tranqulize him. On second thought, it might have been better if she had justed decked him and taken full charge of the mission.

As much as I like Ben Browder and think he has done some really good work this season in several episodes, I have to be honest and say Mitchell was the second worst part of this episode for me. His 'Cambo' attitude and childish behavior were annoying and detrimental. With the exception of a few scenes with Teal'c, there was absolutely no chemistry between Mitchell and the other characters. He was just so over the top that they seemed to not even be trying to connect with him.

Oh and thank god back in season 2 there was no such thing as having to reprogram the gates once they were on a ship or else poor Daniel would have been trapped on Apophis's ship when it blew up and we wouldn't have had that wonderful reunion scene in the gateroom cause Daniel would be dead.

All and all, Off the Grid was a disappointment, especially after Allan McCullough had done such an amazing job with Prototype.

Marla

Mattathias2.0
February 11th, 2006, 08:45 AM
OK... I thought the episode was good, but some small plot points bothered me a little.

Here's what was good:
- Nerus/Landry
- Mitchell at the beginning (like calling Carter "Mary Poppins")
- The Odyessy
- Baal/Nerus, esp. where Baal doesn't trust him
- The firefight

Here's what bothered me:
- Addictive corn? For what purpose?
- Stealing Stargates to build a new Goa'uld empire of Baals? I guess Baal's ego has returned since Stronghold, but it isn't exactly threatening

Still a very good episode...

Mattathias

BlackBaron
February 11th, 2006, 08:47 AM
Loved this episode. Baal was great as usuall.

JUNIOR
February 11th, 2006, 09:01 AM
Well lets see they build Prometheus first and that was the prototype, that was launched in season 6. It wouldnt really make sense to start building other ones before your prototype was finished would it? Even if they were building all these concurrently, and Im not willing to concede that they are, do you honestly believe that they were able to sustaon building operations with the flow of raw materials from the SGC? Plus keep it all secret? How many massive underground facilities that suck up billions of dollars can they really have that are set in the middle of no where so no one can see the ships launch? It is just bad writing.

They could have some building operations in Antarctica. I mean they have an F-302 base there,(Lost City, Avalon pt.1) so why not? They can also have a base off world, and I don't remember them saying that it has to take four years to build a Daedalus class ship. From my recollection they built the Prometheus in early season six. Who’s to say they didn't start building more after they completed the Prometheus. In fact, who's to say they haven't gotten better and faster at building them. Who knows the Asgard could have helped them in refining their ship building methods in order to make them quicker. There’s no way to know if the SGC has the resources are not to build a bunch of Daedalus class ships since the Goa'uld have been defeated. I didn't even know they had a gamma site until I read the spoilers for the next coming episode. As far as finance goes we have no idea how much it actually cost to build a Daedalus class ship so we can't really say if they have the resources are not, financial, or raw material wise. Really the only plot hole I see is that no one can see ships in orbit around earth. I mean someone’s got to see it eventually, but I guess that they have so many people in the loop about the program by now that if someone did see something then they would just cover it up like in Covenant, and Prometheus .

Daniel's_twin
February 11th, 2006, 09:04 AM
This was a good ep. I liked the whole "I told you you did not have the look of a drug dealer" schtick, and the argument before that about who has the most of that look ("Mary Poppins", I'm surprised Carter didn't shoot Cam).

I couldn't help but notice a small thing about that corn. The effects that were described by eating was just too similar, and then the name of the new ship clinched it. That corn of theirs I think was a reference to the Lotus plant in Homer's the Odyssey, where some of Odysseus' crew tastes the plant of the Lotus eaters, and have to be literally dragged from the island onto the boats because now all they want to do is eat that plant.

Other things I loved were Nerus and Landry (More Turkey!!), Nerus and Baal (and Baal, and Baal, and Baal, and Baal and Baal), and the whole Charlie's Angel's thing. Overall, I can't really find anything that I didn't like about this episode besides Sam's revealing top.

Another five out of five stars. Keep the good stories comin'! :cool:

AGateFan
February 11th, 2006, 09:11 AM
They could have some building operations in Antarctica. I mean they have an F-302 base there,(Lost City, Avalon pt.1) so why not? They can also have a base off world, and I don't remember them saying that it has to take four years to build a Daedalus class ship. From my recollection they built the Prometheus in early season six. Who’s to say they didn't start building more after they completed the Prometheus. In fact, who's to say they haven't gotten better and faster at building them. Who knows the Asgard could have helped them in refining their ship building methods in order to make them quicker. There’s no way to know if the SGC has the resources are not to build a bunch of Daedalus class ships since the Goa'uld have been defeated. I didn't even know they had a gamma site until I read the spoilers for the next coming episode. As far as finance goes we have no idea how much it actually cost to build a Daedalus class ship so we can't really say if they have the resources are not, financial, or raw material wise. Really the only plot hole I see is that no one can see ships in orbit around earth. I mean someone’s got to see it eventually, but I guess that they have so many people in the loop about the program by now that if someone did see something then they would just cover it up like in Covenant, and Prometheus .
Well one thing is for sure if you have are building the ships in Antarctica the cost is going to go up, up, up. Just the cost of getting the materials to Antarctica would be enormous not to mention trying to setup a base with the necessary number of people (housed, clothed, fed) with no local economy. That is far far beyond the believability threshold. In fact building anywhere on Earth pretty much would be. We have already way, way more people in the know then could truly keep a secret, trying to move that many resources with no one noticing would not truly be possible. An off base, base with the help of off world allies is truly the only way it can be done in a believable fashion.

What should happen is that the Stargate program should go public. Once that’s done then it would be more believable to be able to ramp up our Military to the levels necessary to fight the Ori. Can you imagine how many people have died in "training accidents" in the years since the war with the goa'uld started? This is no longer believable. Problem is once the Gate program goes public the show changes even further then it already has and again loses some of what it was that made it special (the ability for it to be happening in the here and now).

Amanda Eros
February 11th, 2006, 09:25 AM
The thing that seemed off to me about this epsiode was the whole being held captive for about 20 some odd hours. It looked like they had been held for about twenty minutes. Each sitting in the same spot, a little bit of blood on the face, but still rather wide eyed. I would expect that a lot more drama would take place if a group of thugs were holding them captive. Especially with Sam. At least in Emancipation, they suggested what would happen to her with her being captive over night... here it was just okay, we're getting slapped around. No big deal.

spg_1983
February 11th, 2006, 09:26 AM
They could have some building operations in Antarctica. I mean they have an F-302 base there,(Lost City, Avalon pt.1) so why not?Possible, but incredibly doubtful. Antartica is neutral ground and the other countries have enough problems with us building and operating Battleships exclusively with out also building them in Antartics. Plus in order for that they would have to ship all the raw materials through the SGC and establish the entire fabrication process from scratch.


They can also have a base off world, Same problems as Antartica, they would have to completely build the facilities to proccess the raw materials and fabricate the parts and all of the tech stuff has to pass through the SGC creating a bottle neck


and I don't remember them saying that it has to take four years to build a Daedalus class ship.They havn't. My point was that it takes 4 years to build an Nimitz-class aircraft carrier with the full unclassified support of the government and private contractors and fabrication facilities. You have multiple plants and companies contributing to the manufacture and construction. The Daedalua-class ships are all built in secret and all the components have to be manufactured in secret, which means you don't have dozens of defense contractors contributing various components. So it should take even longer


From my recollection they built the Prometheus in early season six. Who’s to say they didn't start building more after they completed the Prometheus.We don't know when they started construction on the Prometheus, but since Area 51 was working on the X-301 all the way back in season 2 it was likely in development and construction for many years before we actually saw it and Im sure they did start building other ones right away after the Prometheus was field tested, but that would mean they had the Daedalus built and operation in less then 2 years and the Odessy in less then three


There’s no way to know if the SGC has the resources are not to build a bunch of Daedalus class ships since the Goa'uld have been defeated. I didn't even know they had a gamma site until I read the spoilers for the next coming episode. We know from multiple episodes that they have been prospecting for naquada and trinium on many worlds and set up several mining operations, but all of it has to be mined by hand and brought back one load at a time, that is a very slow rate of raw materials flowing in.


As far as finance goes we have no idea how much it actually cost to build a Daedalus class ship so we can't really say if they have the resources are not, financial, or raw material wise.
We know from the episode "Prometheus" that the reasearch and development of Prometheus' hyperdrive alone cost 2 billion dollars, It is safe to guess the entire ships, fabrication through assemply costs easily over 10 billion dollars.

Heaven
February 11th, 2006, 09:39 AM
I think the word BORING covers this episode
"team episode" is the last thing I would call it
I'm not gonna waste time bashing mitchell on this one because I stopped expecting anything from his character long ago
but what I have to point out is the totally B-O-R-I-N-G writing
I mean seriously couldn't TPTB come up with a better way to introduce
the lucian alliance than "oh yeah that was mitchell's fault" and shooting on their ships unprovoked.
no wonder the asgard hesitate giving us weapons considering who's in charge

HirogenGater
February 11th, 2006, 09:44 AM
"team episode" is the last thing I would call it


Did you see the episode? SG-1 was together for 90% of it.

ForeverSg1
February 11th, 2006, 10:00 AM
So they can build and launch a ship in less then a year with a limitied trickle of raw materials and a fabrication process that must be done completely in secret and then assembled in secret? Come on. There is suspension of disbelief and then there is the writers insulting our intelligence. This definately falls into the later.

Yeah one of the reasons they have never mentioned where Jack has gone is because he's not really in Washington DC like most people think. He's actually working with the Asgard on building Daedalus-class ships for Earth. Jack had to go because the Asgard's don't really trust anyone else to be allowed on one of their planets, so Jack is there as an ambassador.

With the replicators now gone, the Asgards really have nothing to do so while they are replenishing their own stock of ships, they are helping Earth build a fleet as well. In exchange, we give them all the M&M's they want. Yellow is Thor's favorite.

golfbooy
February 11th, 2006, 10:02 AM
No pithy, amusing preamble to my post this week. Just flat out frustration and disappointment over what the show has become, and to what lengths it's being ruined each week. If you're a fan of Camshaft Mitchell or Ben Browder, you should probably skip this review.

Off the Grid had enough promise to be a really good, really solid episode. Crushingly, it was reduced to mind numbingly peurile camp, robbing the story and just about the entire show of any depth. I find myself seriously questioning why I'm still tuning in for this tripe, and why I continue to subject myself to the utter decimation of what up until now has been a standout show.

I'd say that I don't know where to begin, except that I soooo do. It's with Mitchell. My God, this is one awful, terrible character. Cameron Mitchell is completely ruining the show for me. I actively, passionately dislike the character. His arrival in the stargate universe has brought about an utter contempt for logic and sanity in favor of the next cool shot, the next cringeworthy one-liner, the next bouncy action sequence where he gets to fly through the air and tumble along the ground. In the nine years I've watched Stargate SG-1 I have never actively hated a character. Never. But I do hate Mitchell.

It is completely implausible for this man to be associated in any way, shape, or form with the SGC. There is no way that he is assigned to go offworld. Ever. And there is absolutely no way that he leads any group of individuals. Not pilots, not ground troops, and certainly not SG-1. Disregarding orders, acting like a moron, yucking it up with whoever crosses his line of sight--every time he's on screen I'm just waiting for the next stupid, campy thing to occur. All seriousness is sucked out of the show when he's around, and it's killing SG-1. Worst of all, I don't see a way around it. This is obviously the character that TPTB have created. And Ben Browder is signed for another year. But if there was ever a character that needed to be scuttled for the sake of a show, it's Cam Mitchell. The character is all over the map and the inconsistencies are terribly jarring. Worst of all, when the writing is consistent it portrays Mitchell as a unthinking, joke-cracking, adventure-at-all-cost-seeking child. The character is totally unbelievable in a position of authority. Who would have guessed that Felger would be the model for the new character in season nine?

I'm going to stop now, and try to talk about the actual episode itself, but warn all who have made it this far that my increduality and disappointment in the character of Mitchell may rear its ugly head at any moment. Anyway, the episode did have other problems. What's with the teaser? I'm game for most things when it comes to the structure of an episode, but the teaser served absolutely no purpose at all. Was the episode so short time-wise that all you could do was reuse the same sequence twice? I'd love to be enlightened on this one. Does anybody have a valid reason why the episode was constructed this way? Please, tell me I'm missing the significance of it all. I'm begging here. Was this all because TPTB couldn't bear the ignominy of showing Cam being rescued by Carter, Teal'c, and Daniel? Was it because we wouldn't believe that Cam didn't get himself killed in this instance? I'm supposed to just imagine this rescue on my own? The exclusion of scenes like Mitchell's rescue by SG-1 is exactly why Cameron just feels like baggage for the team.

Also going in the "problems" category for the episode has to be the jail scenes with Nerus. No, that's not entirely true. It's just the last jail scene with Landry and Nerus. For me, it was just another case of the writers and directors not knowing when enough is enough. I get it, Nerus likes food. It was damn amusing in Beachhead. It was momentarily funny here in Off The Grid. But whose ever idea it was to have food flung everwhere really lost it. The scene was serious, and Maury Chakin did a great job delivering the "I'm full" line. But the way the set was dressed completely undermined everything else that was going on. I can't help but think that this is the kind of thing that Mike Greenberg used keep reined in. Contrary to the producers protestations otherwise, I firmly believe that someone has got to start getting their asses out of the production offices and be on set during filming. That's right, the show needs an on set producer; it particularly needs one when Peter DeLuise is directing. And just to be fair, I hated the same joke in Atlantis' The Tower a week ago. It's just not funny.

Now, contrary to what many of you probably believe, there was a lot I did like in this episode. Carter and Daniel, in particular, made this episode work in the limited capacity that it did. Their constant annoyance and frustration with Mitchell was played well and was completely appropriate. It was a relief seeing that I wasn't the only person reacting that way to good old Shaft. Seriously, the joke wasn't that funny to begin with that it bears constant repeating; Carter's exaggerated rolling of her eyes summed up exactly how I felt. But it does make me wonder what the hell the writers are shooting for with Mitchell. Likewise, the closing scene where Carter and Daniel leave Mitchell on the ramp ogling his beloved weapon, waxing poetically about how happiness really is a warm gun once again echoed my own sentiments regarding Cameron's latest buffoonery.

Ooh, and then there's Cliff Simon. What a great performance. His Ba'al continues to be one of the few bright spots this season. Ba'al was truly Goa'uldish in this one, and it's the little things that do it for him. Striding down the halls of his mothership, talking of his "court", and trying to rebuild his empire all serve to subtley play up the snake in his head and hearken back to the days when the show knew where it was going. His silent, powerful interaction contrasted nicely with Nerus' over the top blithering, and really reinforced Nerus' underling nature. Is it wrong of me to be more interested in Ba'al's machinations than the Ori's? Though, killing off more Ba'al clones was unnecessary; for my money we really need to encounter the "real" Ba'al next time. And I'd have also liked to see Ba'al get the better of the Lucian Alliance. It would have been a nice nod to the fact that the Goa'uld are still a formidable enemy, and that it takes more than a few motherships to control the galaxy. I hope that's where they're going with the Lucian Alliance and that somewhere down the line we'll see Ba'al usurp their territory, spy network, and fleet in a return to power.

And I think most fans will agree that the last part of Off the Grid, where SG-1 assaults a mothership, is the part that played the best. Apparently, they can function as a team, they just choose not to most of the time. For as much fun as it was to see Teal'c and Mitchell defending their position, it was the scenes of Carter and Daniel tagging the gates that did it for me. I loved how once the shooting started neither Carter nor Daniel hesitated. The same goes for Teal'c when he simply stepped into the hallway and began the altercation. These three know exactly what they're doing and what needs to be done. Just imagine if they didn't have to spend the majority of the show saving Cam's ass all the time.

Meh, I'm done with this. I'm just depressing myself thinking about how good the show used to be. The Scourge is next week. Any chance we could just get Daniel, Teal'c, and Sam in this one?

entil2001
February 11th, 2006, 10:02 AM
To a certain extent, I like the basic idea at the heart of this episode. Even setting the Jaffa Nation aside, there are a number of issues still remaining in the wake of the defeat of the System Lords. In a way, it reminds me of the primary concept for the Star Wars Extended Universe novels before the New Jedi Order. A lot of the books were devoted to the idea of various powers trying to fill the gaps left by the Empire, including several of the remaining admirals. And of course, that meant trying to rebuild the Empire and prevent the success of the Rebellion from spreading.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the writers were rather familiar with those books (they were rather popular), since a number of the same ideas are being explored in this season. There’s the emerging new threat, the criminals taking control of Goa’uld resources, Baal trying to carve out a new empire of his own (using clones in the process), and the Tau’ri trying to hold it all together and keep the idea of self-determination viable.

Like those novels, however, the quality of each tale can be highly variable. And of course, different fans have different preferences. I took a bit of slack because I didn’t find the previous episode all that interesting. Well, that’s personal preference. I also thought that this episode was hit or miss, scene by scene, and it didn’t really come together for me until the final act or so.

The first half of the episode, dealing with SG-1 running up against the Lucian Alliance, wasn’t quite as interesting as it could have been. As much as I like the idea of rogue humans taking control of System Lord resources and creating a galactic crime syndicate in the process, the implementation of that idea is not always as good as it could be. Sure, it’s fun to have Amanda Tapping in a leather corset top, but it doesn’t cover up mediocre events.

Far more interesting was the idea of Baal stealing stargates to create his own independent network. That’s actually not something I had thought of, but it makes perfect sense. But I was a little put off at the idea that Baal would only be trying this using one group of clones. Obviously, I don’t believe that Baal is gone for good after this episode, since there are several of his clones out there. But did he only have one ship with an Asgard transport device? Seems like it would work better if he had a few parallel efforts to steal gates and set up isolated networks that he could bring online and then link together.

I also felt that the quick introduction of the Odyssey takes some of the thunder from the previous episode. I liked the idea of a relatively self-contained situation having a huge impact on the SGC’s overall operations, but that’s completely undercut by the fact that a much more powerful ship is ready to go online in the very next episode!

Nerus was also a bit annoying. Or rather, Landry’s version of trying to convince Nerus to explain what Baal was doing with the gates. While I understand that the goal was getting Nerus to ingest the locator beacon, it felt like Landry gave Nerus his feast a little too quickly. It’s a minor thing, but it also didn’t give me the feeling that Landry was quite as clever as the writers wanted him to seem.

Dannygirl
February 11th, 2006, 10:10 AM
I couldn't help but notice a small thing about that corn. The effects that were described by eating was just too similar, and then the name of the new ship clinched it. That corn of theirs I think was a reference to the Lotus plant in Homer's the Odyssey, where some of Odysseus' crew tastes the plant of the Lotus eaters, and have to be literally dragged from the island onto the boats because now all they want to do is eat that plant.

It's been so long since I read the book, I don't remember. That's awesome though. How much trivia have we lost in terms of crossover b/t SG-1 and mythology that we might appreciate the stories more if we knew.


The thing that seemed off to me about this epsiode was the whole being held captive for about 20 some odd hours. It looked like they had been held for about twenty minutes. Each sitting in the same spot, a little bit of blood on the face, but still rather wide eyed. I would expect that a lot more drama would take place if a group of thugs were holding them captive. Especially with Sam. At least in Emancipation, they suggested what would happen to her with her being captive over night... here it was just okay, we're getting slapped around. No big deal.

I do agree with you. I found it surprising when they said 22 hours had passed and the team didn't look too disheveled or beaten to show it.

As for the time passage in building the Daedalus and Odyssey, isn't it possible that the Asgard are helping in construction? No, nothing's been said on the show about this but I've noticed that that tends to happen a lot. Either that or construction on all 3 began consecutively close together and the last 2 were just refitted with the newer components as they came along.

I honestly thought this had one of the better gunfire scenes. Teal'c kicking serious butt the entire time they were on Ba'al's ship along with Mitch with the bigger gun. None stop finger on the trigger.

Zoser
February 11th, 2006, 10:18 AM
at the end, when sg1 come through the stargate and mitchell is all gung ho, i liked the difference between his 'wow, isn't this great!' to sam and daniel's 'i'm taking a shower' and 'i'm going to see a doctor'. i think sam and daniel have been through enough that maybe they're... just getting sick of it? but it was interesting to see the difference. hmmm... might be foreshadowing perhaps?


I can only hope - this is a military operation isn't it?

I don't think I could despise Cam aka Shaft any more if I tried - he act like a thirteen year old(I ask pardon of all 13 year olds) flamer.
What's with the outfits - Vala's old clothes fit Carter?

When Mitchell decided to be the 'drug dealer' he did not consult with his 'co-leader' - no, he insulted her.
When Mitchell needed help fending off the Jaffa, who does he call a seasoned professional Air Force officer or an archaeologist?

The plot - trite and holer the swiss cheese
The dialogue - painful

The best part - Ba'al - love his outfits.

I try to imagine if it is just the lack of O'Neill, but I don't think I would like this crap any better if he were in command. Maybe it is I just can't imagine him acting like that.

Zoser
February 11th, 2006, 10:27 AM
Two questions:
1. If the Lucian Alliance wanted their Stargate back why did they destroy the ship they thought they were in?
2. Ba'al used a staff weapon instead of a hand devise - was that a (clone) clue?

SGFerrit
February 11th, 2006, 10:29 AM
Well lets see they build Prometheus first and that was the prototype, that was launched in season 6. It wouldnt really make sense to start building other ones before your prototype was finished would it? Even if they were building all these concurrently, and Im not willing to concede that they are, do you honestly believe that they were able to sustaon building operations with the flow of raw materials from the SGC? Plus keep it all secret? How many massive underground facilities that suck up billions of dollars can they really have that are set in the middle of no where so no one can see the ships launch? It is just bad writing.

Its already been said somewhere, there are tons of underground bunkers all over america. And anyway, theres only been 3 ships. that ONLY = 3 bunkers.

And as I said the Asgard churn out ships like something not right, and they have been helping us build them so......

Zoser
February 11th, 2006, 10:30 AM
snipper


What incident is Landry referring to when he talks about SG-1 being the first to be implanted with that locating chip?

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I thought it had to happen in an episode I slept through.

Did anyone notice the Twinkies on the dessert platter?

SGFerrit
February 11th, 2006, 10:31 AM
Did you see the episode? SG-1 was together for 90% of it.

That shut you up, heaven;)

spg_1983
February 11th, 2006, 10:35 AM
Its already been said somewhere, there are tons of underground bunkers all over america. And anyway, theres only been 3 ships. that ONLY = 3 bunkers.Its not just the simple matter of having a massive underground hanger, you have to hvae the fabrication and raw materials proccessing facilities nearby plus keep it all secret. Also, the more sites you establish the more the small trickle of raw materials comming through the gate is split up among the various sites and slowing down production even more.


And as I said the Asgard churn out ships like something not right, and they have been helping us build them so......
There has not been one indication or inference that they are helping us build them. They have been giving us hyperdrives and shields, but they are building their own civilization back up, there has been nothing said ever about them helping with the actual construction of the ships themselves.

Zoser
February 11th, 2006, 10:36 AM
valid point - maybe they did. Perhaps though, if that was the case, we could have used less of the nonsubstantive nonsense from Mitchell in the briefing room and what foods his grandmother makes and could have actually been shown something SUBSTANTIVE to the story?
Talk's cheap - special effects are expensive and good writing - priceless

ForeverSg1
February 11th, 2006, 10:41 AM
The thing that seemed off to me about this epsiode was the whole being held captive for about 20 some odd hours. It looked like they had been held for about twenty minutes. Each sitting in the same spot, a little bit of blood on the face, but still rather wide eyed. I would expect that a lot more drama would take place if a group of thugs were holding them captive. Especially with Sam. At least in Emancipation, they suggested what would happen to her with her being captive over night... here it was just okay, we're getting slapped around. No big deal.

Yeah the whole time thing had me all messed up. I was talking to my sister during the first 10mins and was totally lost when we came back from the commercial and they were suddenly back in the SGC briefing room. I had to rewind to find out what I had missed and then I was just as confused.

We know they were on the planet for at least four hours before the drug dealers even started talking to Mitchell, then the chat with him, and the so-called escape and disappearance of the Stargates. I just assumed they had been sitting on the bench for an hour tops, but according the leader of the Allience they had SG-1 in their possession for two days and hadn't gotten any information. You'd think SG-1 would have looked a bit more tired and uncomfortable. I know my bum would have been alseep after two days of sitting in the same position.

Also how did we manage to alter our beaming technology so that it would beam a man sitting down and have them rematerialize standing up?

Zoser
February 11th, 2006, 10:42 AM
:jack_new15: :sam43: :danielanime05: :tealc34: :hammond08:


The best thing about this episode was the Mary Poppins crack.
Now here I have to disagree. The woman who first walked into the briefing room 8 or 9 years ago would not have put up with that. She should not now.:samanime15:

LMichelle
February 11th, 2006, 10:50 AM
This was a letdown for me. :( Going off-world in leather to pose as drug dealers peddling a drug similar to corn on the cob? Huh?

Does the SGC have a closet labelled "Leather for off-world missions"?

Cameron had some funny lines and I liked the Daniel/Mitchell banter, but other than that it was only mildly entertaining.

Next week: bugs? *eyeroll*

Zoser
February 11th, 2006, 10:58 AM
Yeah one of the reasons they have never mentioned where Jack has gone is because he's not really in Washington DC like most people think. He's actually working with the Asgard on building Daedalus-class ships for Earth. Jack had to go because the Asgard's don't really trust anyone else to be allowed on one of their planets, so Jack is there as an ambassador.

With the replicators now gone, the Asgards really have nothing to do so while they are replenishing their own stock of ships, they are helping Earth build a fleet as well. In exchange, we give them all the M&M's they want. Yellow is Thor's favorite.
Do you think they cloned a Carter for him?

Dani347
February 11th, 2006, 11:01 AM
I get it, Nerus likes food. It was damn amusing in Beachhead. It was momentarily funny here in Off The Grid. But whose ever idea it was to have food flung everwhere really lost it.

I agree. Disgusting.




For as much fun as it was to see Teal'c and Mitchell defending their position, it was the scenes of Carter and Daniel tagging the gates that did it for me. I loved how once the shooting started neither Carter nor Daniel hesitated.

Yes, I really liked the shot of Daniel and Sam going off to tag the gates.

Zoser

When Mitchell needed help fending off the Jaffa, who does he call a seasoned professional Air Force officer or an archaeologist?

Well, yes, Sam is a seasoned Air Force officer and a great shot with a gun, but Daniel is hardly unqualified to help. He's had 8 years of on the job training himself. It's not that unlikely that he would call on Daniel. The scene would have worked with Sam, but I don't think it was wrong that he called another person who knows how to shoot and who has had experience himself in fending off Jaffa. Even if that other person is an archeologist.

AGateFan
February 11th, 2006, 11:01 AM
Yeah the whole time thing had me all messed up. I was talking to my sister during the first 10mins and was totally lost when we came back from the commercial and they were suddenly back in the SGC briefing room. I had to rewind to find out what I had missed and then I was just as confused.

We know they were on the planet for at least four hours before the drug dealers even started talking to Mitchell, then the chat with him, and the so-called escape and disappearance of the Stargates. I just assumed they had been sitting on the bench for an hour tops, but according the leader of the Allience they had SG-1 in their possession for two days and hadn't gotten any information. You'd think SG-1 would have looked a bit more tired and uncomfortable. I know my bum would have been alseep after two days of sitting in the same position.

Also how did we manage to alter our beaming technology so that it would beam a man sitting down and have them rematerialize standing up?

Two days? Two days, how is that at all in the realm of possible believability?
Don’t people have to drink, eat, sleep, and go to bathroom in two days? They didn’t even look tired. They didn’t collapse when beamed aboard the ship, heck they looked cleaner and refreshed when beamed aboard the ship.

There is no freaking way they were tied to those benches for 8 hours let alone 48 hours. Why would the writers even add that line. Why not just say "you have had SG-1 for 5 hours and haven’t gotten anything out of them and why would they steal the gate anyway?" (or whatever he said). Why 2 days? See it’s these stupid little things that show the inattention of the writers and the lack of care of the show.

MoebiusStrip
February 11th, 2006, 11:02 AM
I am not going to nit-pick this one because so many people do this already so I am just going to say that this was a very solid episode so it gets 4/5 for me.

As for the beaming out deal that someone asked, they said in the episode that SG-1 was given implant beacons in them after the incident from 'Ethon.'

AGateFan
February 11th, 2006, 11:06 AM
I am not going to nit-pick this one because so many people do this already so I am just going to say that this was a very solid episode so it gets 4/5 for me.

As for the beaming out deal that someone asked, they said in the episode that SG-1 was given implant beacons in them after the incident from 'Ethon.'
Oh hey now that is something I wanted to give props to the show on. They finally decided to use PDTs. I have always wondered when they would get around to that and have always thought SG personel should have them... I think you can even use that as a double security to the GDO. You get the code and confirm that SG-1s PDTs are nearby.


PDT = Personal Data Transmitters (the term used in Aliens for the implanted tracking devices in the marines.)

Heaven
February 11th, 2006, 11:17 AM
anyone else thinks Mitchell should be court-martialed?

Dana_Jeanne
February 11th, 2006, 11:22 AM
This was a ridiculous peice of utter crap. Since I don't watch the show to see what Daniel is wearing this week, the fact that he was in leather did nothing for me as far as the STORY went. Nice BIG plot hole there, whoever wrote it, when we cut from Mitchell about to be shot and the other three twits about to be discovered, to suddenly have all four of those people I don't recognise running from the bad guys. HUH? How did they rescue Mitchell? DUMB DUMB DUMB.

And Carter re-wires the DHD in ten seconds to get them to gate off the ship? Excuse me? Utterly unbelievable, EVEN for Super!Carter. And how nice that we blow up one ship and suddenly have a brand new fresh and better ship ready to take it's place.

And I have to say that I'm also OFFICIALLY sick of Mitchell. I didn't watch Farscape, so I can't compare the characters, but whomever Mitchell is supposed to be on the show, he's failing to keep me interested. If I wanted to watch teenage boys spew out stupid one-liners at what SHOULD be serious moments, I'd go hang out at the local High School.

Mitchell couldn't lead a high school band off the football field. What an idiot. They're supposed to keep a low profile and what's the first thing he does? Big Mouths his way into getting captured by pretending to be a drug dealer. He didn't even do a good job pretending. His attitude toward his three teammates in regards to thier abilities at playing the drug dealer were extremely condescending and uncalled for. If Sci Fi wants Browder to have a job so badly, they should find him a nice "In Search Of...." rip-off for him to star in and leave Stargate alone.

Carter's cleavage was ridiculous. We were taking bets on whether her boobs were going to fall out or if they'd been taped to the material. I thought the "Mary Poppins" remark by Mitchell was extremely sexist and Carter would be totally in the right to report him. They're supposed to be "equal" and "Sharing" command, yet he treats her like this?

Teal'c looked silly playing Rambo. Please-- standing in the middle of the hallway with a gun in each hand blindly shooting off to the side? He's lucky HE didn't get shot. The entire episode was a little boys game of shoot 'em up. A total waste of an hour in my house.

And why was Daniel even in this episode? He certainly wasn't needed. I like eye candy as much as the next girl, but I'd be just as happy looking at pictures.

I'm thisclose to giving up on the whole thing, Daniel or no Daniel.

Dana Jeanne

Swiss
February 11th, 2006, 11:28 AM
I totally agree with you Dana_Jeanne! I couldn't have said it better! So I let it be.

But I'm not giving up on the show now. There is still hope.

AGateFan
February 11th, 2006, 11:32 AM
anyone else thinks Mitchell should be court-martialed?
No, but he does need to have his Gatepass revoked and be recommended for some psychological counseling and gate training.

Once he has worked through his temper management issues, gained some self control and learned some of the basic SG team skills that Lt Hailey and her squad had to learn, then he can come back.

EDIT: Oh, and when he comes back, it should be as 2ic so he can just shut up and "learn from the best" like he wanted. Carter should treat him like O'Neill treated the kid from ROE.

Snork
February 11th, 2006, 11:36 AM
Anubis only has one N in it.

jckfan55
February 11th, 2006, 11:46 AM
Two days? Two days, how is that at all in the realm of possible believability?
Don’t people have to drink, eat, sleep, and go to bathroom in two days? They didn’t even look tired. They didn’t collapse when beamed aboard the ship, heck they looked cleaner and refreshed when beamed aboard the ship.

There is no freaking way they were tied to those benches for 8 hours let alone 48 hours. Why would the writers even add that line. Why not just say "you have had SG-1 for 5 hours and haven’t gotten anything out of them and why would they steal the gate anyway?" (or whatever he said). Why 2 days? See it’s these stupid little things that show the inattention of the writers and the lack of care of the show.
Yes. They could have shown more evidence of injury or have Sam or another one lying on the ground like they'd been really beaten up more. When the Col on the ship says something like "you've been through a lot" I was thinking, they've been through a heck of a lot worse w/out going to the infirmary.

Of course how much do you bet they'll claim later--oh we really wanted to show the passage of time, but it was too expensive to set up another shot showing them having moved. Or: the episode ran long so we had to cut it. That might explain how they never left the benches, not the fact that the Asgard beaming technology apparently has sarcophagus-like curative powers. :rolleyes:

SGFerrit
February 11th, 2006, 11:47 AM
So is Ba'al really dead, or is he going to bounce back again (ok bad pun, I know, but I couldn't resist).


Bad pun? I think it's hilarious!

Daniel's_twin
February 11th, 2006, 11:50 AM
Please. Baal dead for the last time? Not a chance! They're having too much fun blowing him up over and over.

P.S. the pun was actually funny. :cool:

Albion
February 11th, 2006, 12:23 PM
and i still don't quite understand how they were able to close two totally separate entities in one body, especially since harlan couldn't quite pull that off with his copies

Well, firstly, Harlan made robotic copies of SG1, not clones. And, secondly, he did make it work. He made a mistake with his first copy of Teal'c because he failed to understand that there were two separate entities in the one body and how they worked. But once he realised his mistake, he fixed it and prodoced a fully functioning robotic copy of Teal'c. As evidenced by the fact that robot Teal'c was part of SG1 later on in Double Jeopardy and working just fine.

Reserving judgment on the episode as I won't see it till Tuesday. Not expecting much from the photos - looks like a good excuse to put the guys in sexy leather, since Vala's not around to do it for them. But the comments have been interesting. Might end up being pleasantly surprised. ;)

Or not. :p

Albion :)

binkpmmc
February 11th, 2006, 12:27 PM
Did you see the episode? SG-1 was together for 90% of it.

Together - yes. Team - Nope didn't see any of that, in fact I saw Daniel and Sam ready to let Mitchell have it at several points, including the briefing room, the frist time they speak with Lucian. Team - far from it IMO. Being together 100% of the time does not make this a team. At this point I would rather see them apart - Mitchell off on his own getting into trouble and the Big 3 together acting as if they know and care about each other.

JUNIOR
February 11th, 2006, 12:29 PM
They could have some building operations in Antarctica. I mean they have an F-302 base there,(Lost City, Avalon pt.1) so why not?


Possible, but incredibly doubtful. Antartica is neutral ground and the other countries have enough problems with us building and operating Battleships exclusively with out also building them in Antartics. Plus in order for that they would have to ship all the raw materials through the SGC and establish the entire fabrication process from scratch.

I see your point, but they wouldn't have to ship all of the raw materials through the SGC they could do it via the Daedalus or they could have done it with the Prometheus.


They can also have a base off world,


Same problems as Antartica, they would have to completely build the facilities to proccess the raw materials and fabricate the parts and all of the tech stuff has to pass through the SGC creating a bottle neck.

Again they could do it via the Daedalus or Prometheus with beaming tech.


and I don't remember them saying that it has to take four years to build a Daedalus class ship.


They havn't. My point was that it takes 4 years to build an Nimitz-class aircraft carrier with the full unclassified support of the government and private contractors and fabrication facilities. You have multiple plants and companies contributing to the manufacture and construction. The Daedalua-class ships are all built in secret and all the components have to be manufactured in secret, which means you don't have dozens of defense contractors contributing various components. So it should take even longer.

Actually they could have dozens of defense contractors contributing various components that was the premise behind Covenant (season 8), and Desperate Measures (season 5) the Gov. was contracting top secret projects out the private companies.


From my recollection they built the Prometheus in early season six. Who’s to say they didn't start building more after they completed the Prometheus.


We don't know when they started construction on the Prometheus, but since Area 51 was working on the X-301 all the way back in season 2 it was likely in development and construction for many years before we actually saw it and Im sure they did start building other ones right away after the Prometheus was field tested, but that would mean they had the Daedalus built and operation in less then 2 years and the Odessy in less then three.

True but that was their prototype which could have had a lot of trail and error in its creation. Also we don't know if the Asgard was as involved (besides installing shields after it was almost done) in the production Prometheus as they were in the with the production of Daedalus and the Odyssey. They could had cut our production time in half with all their knowledge of ship building.


We know from multiple episodes that they have been prospecting for naquada and trinium on many worlds and set up several mining operations, but all of it has to be mined by hand and brought back one load at a time, that is a very slow rate of raw materials flowing in.


Not necessarily if you watch the end of Enemy Mine Daniel and Colonel what’s his name discuss how they can teach the Unas to mine using there mining equipment, and who know how many other mines they've started since.


We know from the episode "Prometheus" that the reasearch and development of Prometheus' hyperdrive alone cost 2 billion dollars, It is safe to guess the entire ships, fabrication through assemply costs easily over 10 billion dollars.

That was research and development now that they have a viable hyper drive developed it might not cost as much because they have a base model. Besides, who do you think makes money, the U.S. Gov. They have literally multi-trillion dollar spending limits you really think money would be an issue. Daedalus class battle ships don't fall under SGC budget (The Ties That Bind) There no telling how much the senate of appropriations is shelling out the ship project now that the SGC's budget was cut 2/3rds.

Dani347
February 11th, 2006, 12:35 PM
Hmm, the Mary Poppins reference. When I heard it, it didn't strike me as condescending. I don't think I'd believe Sam as a drug dealer. And, this is not a comparision between her and Mitchell. But, I can see other people seeing it that way. But, I don't see it as sexist, even now. I mean, if I thought Mitchell said it because Sam is a woman, and that was the main strike against her not being believable as a drug dealer/trader, I'd be screaming sexism at the top of my lungs. Yeah, if they were going to write a wisecrack in, they didn't have to use Mary Poppins as a reference, but it still didn't seem to me that he felt that her being a woman was why she wouldn't cut it.

MoebiusStrip
February 11th, 2006, 12:44 PM
Oh hey now that is something I wanted to give props to the show on. They finally decided to use PDTs. I have always wondered when they would get around to that and have always thought SG personel should have them... I think you can even use that as a double security to the GDO. You get the code and confirm that SG-1s PDTs are nearby.


PDT = Personal Data Transmitters (the term used in Aliens for the implanted tracking devices in the marines.)

That is a not bad idea at all. But my only concern is if it will cause an long term effect on the team, cause I am pretty sure that it does cause the 'PDTs' produce some sort of electro-magnetic field around them...such as cell phones.

Amanda Eros
February 11th, 2006, 12:59 PM
Now here I have to disagree. The woman who first walked into the briefing room 8 or 9 years ago would not have put up with that. She should not now.:samanime15:


Me too. Sam went from being Dorathy to Mary Poppins. I just think that he called her that because he's never seen her in hand to hand combat. Though it has been eight or nine years since we've seen it too. She's more of a Bat girl or Princess Leigha.

Elfinwood
February 11th, 2006, 01:20 PM
No, that is not an example of tell and not show. ANd how is Sam rigging the Stargate "telling instead of showing"? Telling is when they tell us what happened without showing us. With freeing Mitchell, they never told us how they did it, they just showed the result -- that he was free. Same with Sam rigging the Stargate. She said she had an idea, and then we saw the result. Neither of these things bothered me.

Maybe, because, back in seasons 1 thru (at least)7, they used to show us?

Uber
February 11th, 2006, 01:20 PM
No pithy, amusing preamble to my post this week. Just flat out frustration and disappointment over what the show has become, and to what lengths it's being ruined each week. If you're a fan of Camshaft Mitchell or Ben Browder, you should probably skip this review.

Off the Grid had enough promise to be a really good, really solid episode. Crushingly, it was reduced to mind numbingly peurile camp, robbing the story and just about the entire show of any depth. I find myself seriously questioning why I'm still tuning in for this tripe, and why I continue to subject myself to the utter decimation of what up until now has been a standout show.

I'd say that I don't know where to begin, except that I soooo do. It's with Mitchell. My God, this is one awful, terrible character. Cameron Mitchell is completely ruining the show for me. I actively, passionately dislike the character. His arrival in the stargate universe has brought about an utter contempt for logic and sanity in favor of the next cool shot, the next cringeworthy one-liner, the next bouncy action sequence where he gets to fly through the air and tumble along the ground. In the nine years I've watched Stargate SG-1 I have never actively hated a character. Never. But I do hate Mitchell.

It is completely implausible for this man to be associated in any way, shape, or form with the SGC. There is no way that he is assigned to go offworld. Ever. And there is absolutely no way that he leads any group of individuals. Not pilots, not ground troops, and certainly not SG-1. Disregarding orders, acting like a moron, yucking it up with whoever crosses his line of sight--every time he's on screen I'm just waiting for the next stupid, campy thing to occur. All seriousness is sucked out of the show when he's around, and it's killing SG-1. Worst of all, I don't see a way around it. This is obviously the character that TPTB have created. And Ben Browder is signed for another year. But if there was ever a character that needed to be scuttled for the sake of a show, it's Cam Mitchell. The character is all over the map and the inconsistencies are terribly jarring. Worst of all, when the writing is consistent it portrays Mitchell as a unthinking, joke-cracking, adventure-at-all-cost-seeking child. The character is totally unbelievable in a position of authority. Who would have guessed that Felger would be the model for the new character in season nine?

I'm going to stop now, and try to talk about the actual episode itself, but warn all who have made it this far that my increduality and disappointment in the character of Mitchell may rear its ugly head at any moment. Anyway, the episode did have other problems. What's with the teaser? I'm game for most things when it comes to the structure of an episode, but the teaser served absolutely no purpose at all. Was the episode so short time-wise that all you could do was reuse the same sequence twice? I'd love to be enlightened on this one. Does anybody have a valid reason why the episode was constructed this way? Please, tell me I'm missing the significance of it all. I'm begging here. Was this all because TPTB couldn't bear the ignominy of showing Cam being rescued by Carter, Teal'c, and Daniel? Was it because we wouldn't believe that Cam didn't get himself killed in this instance? I'm supposed to just imagine this rescue on my own? The exclusion of scenes like Mitchell's rescue by SG-1 is exactly why Cameron just feels like baggage for the team.

Also going in the "problems" category for the episode has to be the jail scenes with Nerus. No, that's not entirely true. It's just the last jail scene with Landry and Nerus. For me, it was just another case of the writers and directors not knowing when enough is enough. I get it, Nerus likes food. It was damn amusing in Beachhead. It was momentarily funny here in Off The Grid. But whose ever idea it was to have food flung everwhere really lost it. The scene was serious, and Maury Chakin did a great job delivering the "I'm full" line. But the way the set was dressed completely undermined everything else that was going on. I can't help but think that this is the kind of thing that Mike Greenberg used keep reined in. Contrary to the producers protestations otherwise, I firmly believe that someone has got to start getting their asses out of the production offices and be on set during filming. That's right, the show needs an on set producer; it particularly needs one when Peter DeLuise is directing. And just to be fair, I hated the same joke in Atlantis' The Tower a week ago. It's just not funny.

Now, contrary to what many of you probably believe, there was a lot I did like in this episode. Carter and Daniel, in particular, made this episode work in the limited capacity that it did. Their constant annoyance and frustration with Mitchell was played well and was completely appropriate. It was a relief seeing that I wasn't the only person reacting that way to good old Shaft. Seriously, the joke wasn't that funny to begin with that it bears constant repeating; Carter's exaggerated rolling of her eyes summed up exactly how I felt. But it does make me wonder what the hell the writers are shooting for with Mitchell. Likewise, the closing scene where Carter and Daniel leave Mitchell on the ramp ogling his beloved weapon, waxing poetically about how happiness really is a warm gun once again echoed my own sentiments regarding Cameron's latest buffoonery.

Ooh, and then there's Cliff Simon. What a great performance. His Ba'al continues to be one of the few bright spots this season. Ba'al was truly Goa'uldish in this one, and it's the little things that do it for him. Striding down the halls of his mothership, talking of his "court", and trying to rebuild his empire all serve to subtley play up the snake in his head and hearken back to the days when the show knew where it was going. His silent, powerful interaction contrasted nicely with Nerus' over the top blithering, and really reinforced Nerus' underling nature. Is it wrong of me to be more interested in Ba'al's machinations than the Ori's? Though, killing off more Ba'al clones was unnecessary; for my money we really need to encounter the "real" Ba'al next time. And I'd have also liked to see Ba'al get the better of the Lucian Alliance. It would have been a nice nod to the fact that the Goa'uld are still a formidable enemy, and that it takes more than a few motherships to control the galaxy. I hope that's where they're going with the Lucian Alliance and that somewhere down the line we'll see Ba'al usurp their territory, spy network, and fleet in a return to power.

And I think most fans will agree that the last part of Off the Grid, where SG-1 assaults a mothership, is the part that played the best. Apparently, they can function as a team, they just choose not to most of the time. For as much fun as it was to see Teal'c and Mitchell defending their position, it was the scenes of Carter and Daniel tagging the gates that did it for me. I loved how once the shooting started neither Carter nor Daniel hesitated. The same goes for Teal'c when he simply stepped into the hallway and began the altercation. These three know exactly what they're doing and what needs to be done. Just imagine if they didn't have to spend the majority of the show saving Cam's ass all the time.

Meh, I'm done with this. I'm just depressing myself thinking about how good the show used to be. The Scourge is next week. Any chance we could just get Daniel, Teal'c, and Sam in this one?I swear, you and I share a brain sometimes. I think I disagree with you a scant 1 or 2% of the time but with this review...seriously...stop reading my thoughts. ;)

I can only add a couple of things. Firstly...TWO DAYS??? I thought they had been there for a few hours...tops. Their faces were a bit bruised but they certainly didn't look like 2 days worth of beatings had occurred, unless they were hit once every 8 hours or so. But then, that would explain why they all were sitting straight up, not tired at all, and amazingly in the exact same position. For 2 days. Without eating or relieving themselves or sleeping. For 2 days. And again, I look at Sam and she exudes the calm leadership traits I'd expect in, you know, a leader. I also have to wonder if the same thoughts crossing my mind are crossing hers...which is, why on earth is Mitchell even here? They can get themselves in and out of trouble quite nicely, thank you very much, without having to worry about the "new guy"...Mr. "I thought it was a light switch"...constantly making things even worse.

So they're supposed to stay low and their "leader" instead poses as a dealer of hinky corn and gets himself and the others in trouble. And they trusted him and his idea...WHY? When has he ever displayed any kind of real leadership abilities with regard to formulating a strategy on a mission such as this? Hopefully, this taught the others that he should NEVER be allowed to suggest anything again...ever...as his first real plan (which kinda completely ignored the whole "keeping a low profile" thing) had them lined up for execution. I had hoped they'd learn from Stronghold that his impetuousness and failure to learn from his mistakes would get them all into trouble. So, why again do they trust him for anything?

Seriously. I really want to know. Why on earth do they have any trust in this guy? At all? Why on EARTH is he allowed to continue to serve on the team in any capacity? At least when things go wrong when Sam's leading, it's a result of a wrench thrown into a typically well thought out plan. With Mitchell...well, he just flies by the seat of his pants. And for anyone who says that Jack did too, may I remind you that Jack was black ops with TONS of experience on the ground and therefore had the instincts to go with his gut. Mitchell? Not so much. But we do know he has a terrible wit full of cheesy one-liners that fall way flat, that he's impetuous to a serious fault, that he never seems to learn from his mistakes and doesn't seem to mind putting his team in danger with one of his hair-brained schemes. Ever. So I say again...why on EARTH do they trust him? He should be transferred back to flying jets and F302s and stay the heck away from all things round and kawooshing.

The other thing I'd like to add is: Death to ALL Shaft-isms! His need to crack bad one-liners is groanworthy. I had hoped Ethon (where I didn't feel like throwing things at the tv during his scenes for once) was the beginning of the tide turning to give a more meaningful role for the character. He didn't "not fit" as much as usual...and for the briefest of moments, I had hope. Sadly, Off the Grid proved me wrong and I'm back to strongly disliking the character. Seriously...I've never disliked a character as much as I dislike him and that's saying something.

In other words, Mitchell is seriously killing the show for me too...and frankly I would have preferred it if Sam had smacked him in the back of the head for the Marry Poppins crack and then say "Well that was refreshing" a la First Commandment. Mary Poppins???? She's been a Tok'ra, tortured, been to hell, died, resurrected, blown up a sun and killed gods. Mary Poppins indeed.

But then again she does make a mean souffle...so there's that.

Man do I miss Jack.

Elfinwood
February 11th, 2006, 01:49 PM
:jack_new15: :sam43: :danielanime05: :tealc34: :hammond08:


I am a huge Stargate fan .Therefore I always try to see the best in an episode. The best thing about this episode was the Mary Poppins crack. I think that Amanda, Chris, and Michael, did a good job with what they had to work with. I will watch it again to see if it will grow on me, because I really want the show to get back what it has lost. I am searching for things to like about this episode. I did like the end when Sam and Daniel seemed fed up. I really want to see some emotions back in the show, some depth of feeling, something. Where were the looks of horror when their Teammates were being knocked around? It breaks my heart that I don’t feel the emotional bonds that the team once had. I know my mind is always wondering back to Jack and Sam, maybe if they answered that question (in a positive way) I would be able to accept BB better. Now all I feel is resentment. Maybe if those questions were answered I would feel free to like the new episodes better.
I am truly trying! That’s my opinion.

I agree with you. And I really like BB. I loved him in FS. Things are not clicking on this show, but the cast need not take all of the heat. I see it everywhere...the writing, the directing, the sound, the lighting, the sets. Only the special effects have been consistently good. It started last year and the answer from TPTB was a limited budget and RDA's schedule. Not so this year, and I don't see a change for the better. And why did they hire a big name actor to play the base commander anyway? The role takes screen time away from the team. RDA's position on the show necessitated the change last year and TPTB said that was the reason for so many base and on world stories. Without RDA, why not go back to the lesser supporting role that DD portrayed as Hammond. Show us more team. Now I feel like I'm watching Landry and "those other" guys.

scarimor
February 11th, 2006, 02:13 PM
Oh it could have been so good...

Sadly the visual continuity errors were cringe-worthy, the action blankety-blank of Mitchell's rescue was dire, and the representation of the relative passage of time between the various locations was really up the swannie. Sitting on a bench for two days - yes, that is what it looked like. Guys... if you're running out of money, just put a filter on the camera and light a fire in the background for your next shot - that way you can easily and cheaply make it look like at least one night's going by.

Jeez.

But they looked lovely in leather. Especially Carter, who is so very hot in a collar ;) :ahem: :fans self:

scarimor
February 11th, 2006, 02:21 PM
Now here I have to disagree. The woman who first walked into the briefing room 8 or 9 years ago would not have put up with that. She should not now.:samanime15:

I was hoping Sam would punch him for the Mary Poppins crack. Yeah it was funny... but seeing Cam sprawl would've been even funnier.

golfbooy
February 11th, 2006, 02:23 PM
I swear, you and I share a brain sometimes. I think I disagree with you a scant 1 or 2% of the time but with this review...seriously...stop reading my thoughts. ;)
You know what? You can keep the brain. I apparently won't be needing it if the show keeps up like this. It just keeps getting in the way.

Edited to Add: Cripes, I just reread this and boy does it sound egotistical. Ah well, I suppose we've all got our crosses to bear.

DEM
February 11th, 2006, 02:38 PM
No pithy, amusing preamble to my post this week. Just flat out frustration and disappointment over what the show has become, and to what lengths it's being ruined each week.

Off the Grid had enough promise to be a really good, really solid episode. Crushingly, it was reduced to mind numbingly peurile camp, robbing the story and just about the entire show of any depth.

I'd say that I don't know where to begin, except that I soooo do. It's with Mitchell. My God, this is one awful, terrible character. Cameron Mitchell is completely ruining the show for me. It is completely implausible for this man to be associated in any way, shape, or form with the SGC. There is no way that he is assigned to go offworld. Ever. And there is absolutely no way that he leads any group of individuals. Not pilots, not ground troops, and certainly not SG-1.

Contrary to the producers protestations otherwise, I firmly believe that someone has got to start getting their asses out of the production offices and be on set during filming. That's right, the show needs an on set producer; it particularly needs one when Peter DeLuise is directing.

Now, contrary to what many of you probably believe, there was a lot I did like in this episode. Carter and Daniel, in particular, made this episode work in the limited capacity that it did. Their constant annoyance and frustration with Mitchell was played well and was completely appropriate. It was a relief seeing that I wasn't the only person reacting that way to good old Shaft.

And I think most fans will agree that the last part of Off the Grid, where SG-1 assaults a mothership, is the part that played the best. Apparently, they can function as a team, they just choose not to most of the time.

Meh, I'm done with this. I'm just depressing myself thinking about how good the show used to be. The Scourge is next week. Any chance we could just get Daniel, Teal'c, and Sam in this one?

golfbooy, as usual, I applaud your review. I had to quote it.

What I can't figure out is what the writers are aiming for with Mitchell, especially in light of the disdain or frustration that the other characters openly express. Is that supposed to be funny? And what's with the yo-yoing? One week he's The Ancient's Gift to the Air Force (winner of the MOH for valiantly getting shot down in a training accident!) and the next week he's a hopped up Good Ole Boy. I. Don't. Get. It!

I also don't like the seeming need to hurry up and advance. A new spacecraft? With a commander who is apparently unknown to Carter, herself just a few weeks gone from Area 51? The Super Top Secret Stargate Program is THAT vast?? SG-1 has personal locator implants, and they're introduced with a throwaway line? Feh. That could have been an episode in and of itself.

In the end, the most fundamental problem with this episode -- aside from Shafted, of course -- was the complete incoherence of the script. What, exactly, was the point?


I was hoping Sam would punch him for the Mary Poppins crack. Yeah it was funny... but seeing Cam sprawl would've been even funnier.

Indeed.

scarimor
February 11th, 2006, 02:48 PM
In the end, the most fundamental problem with this episode -- aside from Shafted, of course -- was the complete incoherence of the script. What, exactly, was the point?

a) crack!corn?

b) uncomfortable benches?

c) Cam's grandma's corn'n'beans?

You're right, the focus was all over the place and never settled down to anything.

cafine_us
February 11th, 2006, 02:58 PM
I was sad to see Nerus killed. Ok, well I didn't see it, but we knew Ba'al killed him off screen. Nerus, while technically evil, being a Goa'uld and all, was more comic relief and less scary nemesis. I'll miss him. :sokar:

Dani347
February 11th, 2006, 03:03 PM
I was sad to see Nerus killed. Ok, well I didn't see it, but we knew Ba'al killed him off screen. Nerus, while technically evil, being a Goa'uld and all, was more comic relief and less scary nemesis. I'll miss him. :sokar:


I have the opposite reaction. If he's reallly dead, I'm cheering more than I was when Prometheus go boom! Nerus was stupid. Bye, bye, fool!

AGateFan
February 11th, 2006, 03:07 PM
I have the opposite reaction. If he's reallly dead, I'm cheering more than I was when Prometheus go boom! Nerus was stupid. Bye, bye, fool!
or as Landry says.

Putz.

AutumnDream
February 11th, 2006, 03:18 PM
I looooved the episode. And I actually liked Mitchell a bit more this one. Yeah, I haven't really liked him much at all and I don't suddenly adore him now, but I laughed at his "space corn" line. I thought he was a total moron when he explained that he was going to go off by himself against the mission's objective. Sam looked totally "hawt" in those clothes. I wish I had clothes like that... and a suitable place to wear them. :p

Cool story, lots of funny moments, lots of good teamwork. That rocked when the four of them stood up near the end and fired together. Geez. I'm turning into a fawning fangirl now.

It'd be cool if the ancients suddenly came down and berated everyone for messing with their precious gate network. :D

I do miss Jack, though. ; _ ;

Dani347
February 11th, 2006, 03:26 PM
or as Landry says.

Putz.


That works.

You know, the thing that bothers me the most about the episode isn't anyone's behavior, or plot inconsistancies. Heck, I never even noticed the amount of time SG1 was supposed to be captured. What bothers me is that I felt that they tried for two different tones in the episode. The first part was comedy. The whole corn thing, the banter, maybe even the fact that they didn't act like they had been tied up for days, and Nerus, of course. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously. (That's not to say that it was wrong for anyone to be bothered because of that) But, Ba'al trying to regain his power belonged in a serious episode. Not a comedy that snuck in some seriousness. I don't know if the episode would have been better if the whole plot had been about the corn (some of their funny episodes are funny, some are stupid) but I think it would have meshed together and made more sense if it was. Or, if it had been a serious episode all about Ba'al.

binkpmmc
February 11th, 2006, 03:43 PM
I swear, you and I share a brain sometimes. I think I disagree with you a scant 1 or 2% of the time but with this review...seriously...stop reading my thoughts. ;)

I can only add a couple of things. Firstly...TWO DAYS??? I thought they had been there for a few hours...tops. Their faces were a bit bruised but they certainly didn't look like 2 days worth of beatings had occurred, unless they were hit once every 8 hours or so. But then, that would explain why they all were sitting straight up, not tired at all, and amazingly in the exact same position. For 2 days. Without eating or relieving themselves or sleeping. For 2 days. And again, I look at Sam and she exudes the calm leadership traits I'd expect in, you know, a leader. I also have to wonder if the same thoughts crossing my mind are crossing hers...which is, why on earth is Mitchell even here? They can get themselves in and out of trouble quite nicely, thank you very much, without having to worry about the "new guy"...Mr. "I thought it was a light switch"...constantly making things even worse.

So they're supposed to stay low and their "leader" instead poses as a dealer of hinky corn and gets himself and the others in trouble. And they trusted him and his idea...WHY? When has he ever displayed any kind of real leadership abilities with regard to formulating a strategy on a mission such as this? Hopefully, this taught the others that he should NEVER be allowed to suggest anything again...ever...as his first real plan (which kinda completely ignored the whole "keeping a low profile" thing) had them lined up for execution. I had hoped they'd learn from Stronghold that his impetuousness and failure to learn from his mistakes would get them all into trouble. So, why again do they trust him for anything?

Seriously. I really want to know. Why on earth do they have any trust in this guy? At all? Why on EARTH is he allowed to continue to serve on the team in any capacity? At least when things go wrong when Sam's leading, it's a result of a wrench thrown into a typically well thought out plan. With Mitchell...well, he just flies by the seat of his pants. And for anyone who says that Jack did too, may I remind you that Jack was black ops with TONS of experience on the ground and therefore had the instincts to go with his gut. Mitchell? Not so much. But we do know he has a terrible wit full of cheesy one-liners that fall way flat, that he's impetuous to a serious fault, that he never seems to learn from his mistakes and doesn't seem to mind putting his team in danger with one of his hair-brained schemes. Ever. So I say again...why on EARTH do they trust him? He should be transferred back to flying jets and F302s and stay the heck away from all things round and kawooshing.

The other thing I'd like to add is: Death to ALL Shaft-isms! His need to crack bad one-liners is groanworthy. I had hoped Ethon (where I didn't feel like throwing things at the tv during his scenes for once) was the beginning of the tide turning to give a more meaningful role for the character. He didn't "not fit" as much as usual...and for the briefest of moments, I had hope. Sadly, Off the Grid proved me wrong and I'm back to strongly disliking the character. Seriously...I've never disliked a character as much as I dislike him and that's saying something.

In other words, Mitchell is seriously killing the show for me too...and frankly I would have preferred it if Sam had smacked him in the back of the head for the Marry Poppins crack and then say "Well that was refreshing" a la First Commandment. Mary Poppins???? She's been a Tok'ra, tortured, been to hell, died, resurrected, blown up a sun and killed gods. Mary Poppins indeed.

But then again she does make a mean souffle...so there's that.

Man do I miss Jack.

Between Golfbooy and Über"s most excellent posts they have pretty much covered the ep for me - so many good points made by both of you that I had not made in my earlier post that I so agree with 100%. I esepcially agree that Mitchell is runing the show for me as well - tool, tool, tool and a very bad one at that -- geesh I wish TPTB would get their heads out of their arses -- they have had them up there a long time now and it really is time for them to get back to reality now and fix this show.

Buzz Lightyear
February 11th, 2006, 04:03 PM
Now here I have to disagree. The woman who first walked into the briefing room 8 or 9 years ago would not have put up with that. She should not now.:samanime15:

I think the "Mary Poppins" comment was Mitchell's way of saying Carter looks much too wholesome to pass as a smuggler.

Because, you know, Mary Poppins can actually kick major ass. ;)

What did you think Mitchell's reference meant?

the fifth man
February 11th, 2006, 05:02 PM
Man, I loved this ep. Poor, poor Nerus - I shall miss him. This one had everything - comedy, action, and awesome teamwork. Definitely a great combination for SG-1. And as always, it's nice to see our boy Ba'al again (all of them :D) . I wonder how many of him survived the explosion?

x_sid
February 11th, 2006, 05:41 PM
Wow I'm kind of depressed after reading some of the posts on this thread. I guess Season 10 will be the last season for SG-1, and I'll have to actually go spend money on entertainment on Fridays.

Come on guys it wasn't that bad. I guess it was nice to get three years of quaility Sci-fi on Fridays. SG-1 We'll miss ya when you're gone.

P.S. I also like Enterprise and look where that got me.

JUNIOR
February 11th, 2006, 05:44 PM
Me too. Sam went from being Dorathy to Mary Poppins. I just think that he called her that because he's never seen her in hand to hand combat. Though it has been eight or nine years since we've seen it too. She's more of a Bat girl or Princess Leigha.

I think that the Sam in season 1 wanted to prove that she could do the job as well as anyone else man or woman, but I think over the years had become more comfortable in her role in the SGC because she has proven time and time again that she is a leader and is one of the most respected leaders at the SGC. I don't think Mitchell called her that because he personally thinks she’s weak are anything but come on!! If any of those Alien drug dealer saw her sweet, innocent face they probably wouldn't have taken her seriously she'd probably have to kick some alien drug dealer a** just to show them that maybe she was a drug dealer, and then they probably would have tried to kill her for beating up all their men. I think that her and Mitchell have been friends for a while and that she knows he’s not being sexist or disrespectful he’s just being Mitchell and calling it how he sees it. The only one that could have passed as an intergalactic drug dealer would be Teal'c.

PG15
February 11th, 2006, 05:50 PM
"But I'm interesting!"

Man I LOVED Nerus! One of the best characters (and actors) in Stargate history! You just know he's not dead (no body).

Seeing Ba'al was unexpected. I thought Sci-fi had f-up again when they wrote their short synopsis. I thought they mistakenly described Stronghold. Boy was I wrong!

I did not like the new captain guy. Not a good actor at all. Why not bring Ronson (?) back?

Did anyone catch the tiny reference to Farscape with Daniel's "Don't say Bad Timing!"? I thought that was cute.

Overall, this episode was solid, but not exceptional like Ethon. 3.5/5.




Same problems as Antartica, they would have to completely build the facilities to proccess the raw materials and fabricate the parts and all of the tech stuff has to pass through the SGC creating a bottle neck

What about the Alpha, Beta, and that apparent Gamma site? Also, we DO NOT have to use the Stargate for transport, not since we got the Prommie.


They havn't. My point was that it takes 4 years to build an Nimitz-class aircraft carrier with the full unclassified support of the government and private contractors and fabrication facilities.

True, but we have the advantage of having Alien tech on our side. I'm sure they're more efficient than...whatever normal people use.

How big is a Nimitz class ship compared to the Deddy and Prommie anyway?


I agree. Disgusting.


I think that was the point.

JUNIOR
February 11th, 2006, 06:04 PM
I was hoping Sam would punch him for the Mary Poppins crack. Yeah it was funny... but seeing Cam sprawl would've been even funnier.

Your right that would have been funny to see Sam punch the hell out of Mitchell, and while he’s on the ground She would say “do I seem like a drug dealer now?” then Mitchell would say “more like a fifth grade bully” and then Daniel would say to Teal’c "I guess Poppins was a fair description" and Teal’c would say “indeed” then they would help Mitchell off the ground while Sam goes and posses as the drug dealer. That would have been funny too in my opinion.

JUNIOR
February 11th, 2006, 06:24 PM
Wow I'm kind of depressed after reading some of the posts on this thread. I guess Season 10 will be the last season for SG-1, and I'll have to actually go spend money on entertainment on Fridays.

Come on guys it wasn't that bad. I guess it was nice to get three years of quaility Sci-fi on Fridays. SG-1 We'll miss ya when you're gone.

P.S. I also like Enterprise and look where that got me.

Just because a fair number of people on this forum didn't like the episode doesn't mean that the episode was crap and next season will be the last. The truth is that the people on this post represent a small part of the actual SG fan base and just because they didn't like it doesn’t mean that everyone else didn't as well. No matter what episode it is you’re always going to have people that don't like that particular episode and doom sayers that basically say "This show sucks now, I'm not going to watch it anymore." or "If this show keeps going in the direction that it’s going in then it won't be on the air next season." People have been saying that since the show began so I'm not going to take much of that type of talk at face value unless TPTB say that it will be the last season, and I don't think you or anyone else should either.

P.S. don’t be so depressed

nccjones
February 11th, 2006, 06:32 PM
Did you see the episode? SG-1 was together for 90% of it.

Just because they were together 90% of the time does not mean they worked together as a team. I saw OTT Mitchell defy orders, get the team in trouble, make a derogatory remark to Sam, captured, tortured (or what was supposed to be torture) and then act like a little kid thinking it was fun at the end.

Yeah, great team episode.

SciFiGal
February 11th, 2006, 06:52 PM
I liked the episode and unlike most of the folks who've posted Cam cracks me up with the wisecracks. And, I don't think they're giving him Jack's lines - I've read that comment quite a bit also and I just don't see if that way.

I have all available seasons of Stargate on DVD and this season on Tivo - they've all been watched numerous times and though I was missing some of the 'action' in this new team I feel TPTB gave us some of that in this episode. I've watched a lot of commentary that showed that RDA loved all the action and shoot 'em up scenes as if he were a little kid in a candy store. :jack_new_anime25: They've spent a lot of time on character development this season and on the Ori and Jaffa Nation but I think as the season progresses we will see more of what we've come to know and love. (Of course there are still those who won't be happy because RDA is gone and cannot be replaced. TPTB haven't tried to replace him with a clone and I for one appreciate that fact).

I don't get the whole Lucien Alliance thing - they're a bunch of thugs - yeah whatever.

And yep - I totally caught the whole "Don't say bad timing" thing between Daniel and Cam. Too funny. (For those who've never watched Farscape, this was the title of the last regular episode and a running thing throughout the series - bad plans, rotten timing.)

I'm still a fan and always will be. Nitpicking the details of the show isn't my way - I mean the whole wormholes between two stargates is the main premise of the show and if I can accept that, I can handle the little discrepancies.

Oh - almost forgot. I loved Ba'al's face when he tells Nerus he's history... just the little nod to tell him 'sorry, you're toast' - I love the way Cliff portrays this character and *so* appreciate how well they've developed him.

Laros
February 11th, 2006, 06:58 PM
Wow... suddenly anything remotely resembling jeopardy in the show disappeared. Teleporters take all the fun outa the show, and all the Baal clones mean that fan's don't have to worry whenever he dies because they know that he has more hiding somewhere. This sucks. It was also disturbing to see that the military was willing to let an evil genius free on the chance that he's 1: going to go back to Baal after leaving him for the Ori and 2: not going to take a dump before doing so.


Other than that it was an awesome show. Lots of fun to watch. Nice to know that the new ship isn't uber-powerful (or even capable of taking out 1 goa'uld ship yet).

spg_1983
February 11th, 2006, 07:00 PM
I liked the episode and unlike most of the folks who've posted Cam cracks me up with the wisecracks. And, I don't think they're giving him Jack's lines - I've read that comment quite a bit also and I just don't see if that way.

Hell cam is a hell of a lot better than Jack. People say that he keeps cracking one liners at inappropriate moments, but that is what Jack did all the time, the difference is that Cam is actually funny and good at it. Especially compared to the lackluster performance RDA gave the last three seasons. Ben Browder is a very welcome addition and breath of fresh air in my book.

Skydiver
February 11th, 2006, 07:06 PM
If that was true why did they show the same scene twice?
maybe because it was cheaper to use the same scene twice??????

lame i know but that seems to be a trend

Skydiver
February 11th, 2006, 07:15 PM
Two days? Two days, how is that at all in the realm of possible believability?
Don’t people have to drink, eat, sleep, and go to bathroom in two days? They didn’t even look tired. They didn’t collapse when beamed aboard the ship, heck they looked cleaner and refreshed when beamed aboard the ship.

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it's not. what i think it is is a lazy plot hole. early in the eps emerson's bridge officer says that they're 22 hours out and i'm willing to bet no one beta'd the script to realize that sg1 was captive for 22+ hours (landry didn't even start to send help until they were 2 hours overdue IIRC) and either didn't want to go back to fix it or didn't even realize that they futzed up....again

it's kinda like in s7 and the timeline we're given, that death knell is a month after evolution. Which means that grace, chimera, and fall out all take place in that month....which means that sam recovered from her bad concussion, got set up with, met and dated pete and still went off to kelowna to keep the planet from blowing up....and also recovered from her owie from evolution, all in 30 days

just isn't possible but, apparantly, when the writer put in 'a month' he forgot to look at what all happened in that month

AGateFan
February 11th, 2006, 07:18 PM
maybe because it was cheaper to use the same scene twice??????

lame i know but that seems to be a trend

Actually my question was just a way to argue against JUNIOR's thought that maybe they actually shot the Mitchell rescue scene originally and then "...got strapped for time and had to lose it in the final cut".

IMHO it was just a cheap out to a situation the writer could not effectively write his way out of not a lack of time in the ep.

ShardsofGlass
February 11th, 2006, 07:21 PM
Yeah, there's no way they were sitting on that same bench for 2 days or 22 hours. To me, it looked like a few hours, tops. And I have to admit that it bugged me that when they got beamed aboard the ship, they were standing up instead of sitting down. I think it would've been funny for them to get beamed aboard in their sitting position and then fall backward as soon as they materialize.

Skydiver
February 11th, 2006, 07:22 PM
i agree. instead of showing us the dash for the gate twice, show us them rescuing cam from the baddies. why waste a precious minute on the same scene whenyou've left a plot hold the size of seattle.

it's tell not show.

and yeah, the only thing they need to take all the danger out of it is to snag a sarc for the infirmary so that when cam screws up and gets the team killed, they can be revived so he can keep screwing up

Skydiver
February 11th, 2006, 07:23 PM
Yeah, there's no way they were sitting on that same bench for 2 days or 22 hours. To me, it looked like a few hours, tops. And I have to admit that it bugged me that when they got beamed aboard the ship, they were standing up instead of sitting down. I think it would've been funny for them to get beamed aboard in their sitting position and then fall backward as soon as they materialize.
yep. very very sloppy

PG15
February 11th, 2006, 07:31 PM
I think they needed to repeat that sequence.

Think about it, it would go straight from the big 3 talking about rescuing Mitch and getting captured. You're missing a lot of plot there in the middle.

The best thing would be to think up a whole new teaser.

JUNIOR
February 11th, 2006, 07:31 PM
Actually my question was just a way to argue against JUNIOR's thought that maybe they actually shot the Mitchell rescue scene originally and then "...got strapped for time and had to lose it in the final cut".

IMHO it was just a cheap out to a situation the writer could not effectively write his way out of not a lack of time in the ep.

They could have cut it though it happens all the time from what I read in JM's old blog. I would like to believe that they cut it out being that to me this makes more since than the writers or producer just completely disregarding the scene and saying "we can shoot around it no one will notice."

warmbeachbrat
February 11th, 2006, 07:35 PM
Just because they were together 90% of the time does not mean they worked together as a team. I saw OTT Mitchell defy orders, get the team in trouble, make a derogatory remark to Sam, captured, tortured (or what was supposed to be torture) and then act like a little kid thinking it was fun at the end.
Yeah, great team episode.

It looked like Teal'c thought it was fun at the end also. I guess I thought they were happy and satisfied that the mission was successfully completed (unlike the previous week's episode).

GateShip One
February 11th, 2006, 07:35 PM
I personally love the Mitchell'isms, reminds me of how great Farscape was. I prefer when BB plays Mitchell like Crichton. Crichton's a great character.

JUNIOR
February 11th, 2006, 07:40 PM
...IMHO it was just a cheap out to a situation the writer could not effectively write his way out of not a lack of time in the ep.

I think the writers could have written a way for Mitch. to get out of that situation. If I recall there was only about ten men. All SG-1 would have had to do was come up with a diversion (maybe set off a grenade just out side of the shake or whatever they where in) in order get some of the men out side the walls have Daniel spray them with the MP-7 and Sam and Teal'c could flank the remanding men or something to that affect. But if they did this then it would have taken an element (The Alliance) away from the story.

Fargater
February 11th, 2006, 08:10 PM
Your right that would have been funny to see Sam punch the hell out of Mitchell, and while he’s on the ground She would say “do I seem like a drug dealer now?” then Mitchell would say “more like a fifth grade bully” and then Daniel would say to Teal’c "I guess Poppins was a fair description" and Teal’c would say “indeed” then they would help Mitchell off the ground while Sam goes and posses as the drug dealer. That would have been funny too in my opinion.
ROFLMAO!!!

Agent_Dark
February 11th, 2006, 08:31 PM
I personally love the Mitchell'isms, reminds me of how great Farscape was. I prefer when BB plays Mitchell like Crichton. Crichton's a great character.
I think that's one of the big reasons why Mitchell has come under so much flak... People don't want a Chricton clone in Stargate.

Deevil
February 11th, 2006, 08:33 PM
I don't see Crichton in Mitchell - apart from the fact they wear the same face I don't see the correlation.

Ziu
February 11th, 2006, 08:42 PM
I think that's one of the big reasons why Mitchell has come under so much flak... People don't want a Chricton clone in Stargate.


Exactly:cool:

Fargater
February 11th, 2006, 08:42 PM
Just because they were together 90% of the time does not mean they worked together as a team. I saw OTT Mitchell defy orders, get the team in trouble, make a derogatory remark to Sam, captured, tortured (or what was supposed to be torture) and then act like a little kid thinking it was fun at the end.

Yeah, great team episode.
I usually read a whole thread before posting, but only read several pages. Anyway. . .


I have to agree.

I was so disppointed and MAD at Cam in this ep, I was thinking when that guy said he`d kill the others first "No! By all means shoot Cam first! PLEASE!" I wanted more character development but am sorely disappointed with the results. He`s an idiot and has no business being with SG-1.:(

I usually defend him as making wisecracks to relieve tension or whatever, but he was just indefensible in this ep. And I didn`t even get to the threads for the past two eps . . .

Some people compare his wisecracking to Jack`s and defend it as trying to relieve tension in a situation. I have also, but Jack wasn`t ALWAYS wisecracking, and it just had. . . more of a sense of irony maybe? when he did. Cam was just inappropriate in this ep. He`s too cocky at the wrong times. Get that cornstalk outta your mouth, Boy! Did it ever occur to you that that part of the plant may also be addictive?

Maybe he can`t be blamed for the negotiation/deal breaking down, but he`s not serious enough, even when they`re under fire. And what was all that at the end? Where`s the thoughtful, measured Cam from the beginning of the season?

He`s the sort that Jack wouldn`t want anywhere near any op he`d be running. He`s just like the people Jack kept trying out at the beginning of S6 who were mostly useless or didn`t cut the muster. No, wait! He`s like those kids they were training that kept screwing up. Only he shouldn`t be screwing up.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As for the rest of the ep, the whole Ba`al thing is getting old. As is any of the Goa`uld stuff for that matter. Ummm, just who are these stupid Jaffa who keep manning Ba`al`s ship? They continue to be deplorable shots and their carcasses pile up nicely, yet there seems an endless supply. Where do they come from? How do they not know about the new Jaffa nation? Has this been addressed somewhere in the dialogue and I`ve just missed it?

Also I thought Ba`al was turning his attentions to Earth domination (or at least living high on the hog through his little entrepenuerial pursuits). What happened? Did his stocks crash in the recent Ori plague? Hmm. Hey, wait. Just had a thought. Maybe he sees the Ori as a threat to his domination of Earth and like someone said somewhere in here he`s gathering up the gates to keep the Ori from getting around.

Maj_Cliffhanger
February 11th, 2006, 08:47 PM
Off the Grid. Hmm...

An enjoyable episode, but not great. Good premise, interesting overall storyline - but it left me feeling... cheated. I felt like I wanted MORE. Okay, so what more? I had to really stop and think about this for a while. I DID like the episode. It was fast paced and fun and had everyone in it with a few unexpected twists that kept me guessing... What was missing?

Reality. Edginess. Emotion. Heart.

I think what was missing was my ability to empathize with the characters and really get pulled into the story. It wasn't so much of getting pulled out of the story as much as having to work too hard to stay in it. The reused scene at the beginning was just confusing. Were the writers/editors trying to catch the viewers attention and keep them from tuning out because they thought the teaser would be boring if they didn't go for a full action 'bang'? Only reason I can think of... Jump back eight hours and give us a proper set up. Nice premise - it works for me. Go off world and VBG! Nice eye candy, guys! Loved the outfits. I take it the rest of the galaxy don't wear eyeglasses? Reality fudge there but okay I can shrug and ignore it. Can't really ignore the byplay between the team members though. Just seemed a little too... relaxed. This is supposed to be a reconnaissance mission of a possible large scale drug operation and you're going to make up the game plan on the fly? Wince! NONE of you look like drug dealers and Michelle certainly didn't act like it just walking in for a meet like that all by himself. Stupid! I might have bought it if he said he was an underling for someone else trying to set up a meet between his boss and the other guy's boss but even then he should have had the rest of the team hidden with weapons to cover his ass and never walked inside that place. Okay, force myself back into the story - it's just a TV show and time is limited - put back on the suspension of reality glasses.

I really don't want to get into a long winded analysis here...

Got shoved back out of the story sometime shortly after the beginning of the second torture scene. Nice make up job but - where's the emotion to go with it? No one's hurting, no one's worried about anyone else - or themselves for that matter - hell, they don't even seem mad about it!!!

If the characters don't care what's happening, then why should I?

I struggled to get back in at this point. Wince - did they just transport up standing up?? Takes too much time to set up the shot to show them getting dumped on their ass? Well, I suppose those colllar things tied to their hand bindings were a bit uncomfortable... not that we ever actually got a look at the set up but...

Next moment I got tossed out was really weird - I seriously doubt that anyone else even noticed it. It was something Ba'al said. I love the character of Ba'al. I love the actor who plays him! He does a fabulous job - this was a writing error. Remember when the door wouldn't open all the way and he had to step through and how he turns to the jaffa guard and says, "Come with me!" Argh!!!! Come with me??? Come with me?!!! No! This is supposed to be "Jaffa, Kree!"

Come with me... Pshaw!!! (I told you it was little, but darn it all if it didn't majorly jar me right out of the story again!) Sigh! Okay, forget trying to get INTO the story and just sit back and watch.

Reading back through this is sounds like I am trashing the episode, but I DID enjoy it! Wish I knew why... There were certainly good moments. Some of the one liners were great - some.

I think they over did it a bit. Seems like they were playing the comedic beats a bit too much and lost sight of the 'heart'. This was definitely a dramedy - with a heavy hand on the comedy and a light touch on the drama. Oh and lets toss in a heavy action/adventure ending! Would have worked better without the Charlie's Angels and Rambo shots... unbelievable and 'BAM!' if Im not out of the story yet again.

Ending scene? The Odessy hasn't immediately contacted the SGC to inform them of the fact that SG-1 is presumed dead?!! Gotta tie up those loose ends for the viewers who weren't paying attention, I guess... And the team goes off in three different directions? What happened to Decon and post mission medical checks? Daniel wants to see a doctor? I'm supposed to care?! Okay, time to shut up. This is alot longer than I'd planned.

I liked it, but this could have been so much more...

A grade of 'C.'

Fargater
February 11th, 2006, 08:49 PM
Yeah, there's no way they were sitting on that same bench for 2 days or 22 hours. To me, it looked like a few hours, tops. And I have to admit that it bugged me that when they got beamed aboard the ship, they were standing up instead of sitting down. I think it would've been funny for them to get beamed aboard in their sitting position and then fall backward as soon as they materialize.
Indeed! LOL

binkpmmc
February 11th, 2006, 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by Agent_Dark
I think that's one of the big reasons why Mitchell has come under so much flak... People don't want a Chricton clone in Stargate.


Exactly:cool:

I'll second that EXACTLY.

Fargater
February 11th, 2006, 09:07 PM
I have to say I hated this episode.

Mitchell, based on his actions in this episode, is completely unfit to command. He goes alone to talk to the galactic mafia assuming he's a good enough BSer to convince them of anything. His contingency plan is "Hightail it to the gate outnumbered about ten to one, hoping they'll miss us with all their automatic weapons."

Mitchell needs to take a clinic in basic battle tactics. It's amazing he made it to colenol without any perceiveable strategic training or even basic common sense. Daniel is a more effective military tactical thinker.

Niruz is *not* an entertaining bumbling-villain type and just struck me as annoying. Plus they're giving both sides even more Star-Trekesque capabilities than they did before, bringing Stargate even further from what made it appealing in the first place.

I also want to know how Baal suddenly has an army of jaffa again. It doesn't strike me as very 'Jaffa' to serve somebody they now know posed as a god for thousands of years. And this 'infinite Baal clone' deal was obviously done just so they could kill off as many Baals as they want without killing off the most popular villain in the show.
Wow. You pretty much said what I was thinking only better.

betjam
February 11th, 2006, 09:26 PM
I'm so glad others noticed the team beaming aboard the ship standing (and looking a lot better) rather than sitting.

Do they stock all the spaceships with a supply of glasses for Daniel?

I think Teal'c is stealing the show.

I was sort of hoping we were not going to see a ship return to SG-1. It takes away from the magic of the Stargate.

x_sid
February 11th, 2006, 09:33 PM
Just because a fair number of people on this forum didn't like the episode doesn't mean that the episode was crap and next season will be the last. The truth is that the people on this post represent a small part of the actual SG fan base and just because they didn't like it doesn’t mean that everyone else didn't as well. No matter what episode it is you’re always going to have people that don't like that particular episode and doom sayers that basically say "This show sucks now, I'm not going to watch it anymore." or "If this show keeps going in the direction that it’s going in then it won't be on the air next season." People have been saying that since the show began so I'm not going to take much of that type of talk at face value unless TPTB say that it will be the last season, and I don't think you or anyone else should either.

P.S. don’t be so depressed


Good point. Thanks. I just hate reading all the stuff some of these guys put out there. I genuinlly enjoy even the worst episodes of both the Stargates. And too me this one was funny, and it seemed more like some of the older episodes than many of SG-1 has in at least 3 years.

x_sid
February 11th, 2006, 09:36 PM
I struggled to get back in at this point. Wince - did they just transport up standing up?? Takes too much time to set up the shot to show them getting dumped on their ass? Well, I suppose those colllar things tied to their hand bindings were a bit uncomfortable... not that we ever actually got a look at the set up but...

I wondered that too, but I just chalk it up to the transporter can rearrange there molecules into a state that makes them standing when the re-materialize. But I agree it would have been funny to see them fall when they were on the bridge.

Astrofighter
February 11th, 2006, 10:20 PM
Anyone else notice when they were teleported up they lost the blood on their face except for Mitchell and even there it was just reduced amount, Sam is the best example, she had quite a bit on her face then nothing on the ship.

majorsal
February 11th, 2006, 10:30 PM
I do agree with you. I found it surprising when they said 22 hours had passed and the team didn't look too disheveled or beaten to show it.



do we actually know that those 22 hours 'were' spent being beaten? maybe it was meant that, up to that point, the 'mission' had been 22 hours?

maybe?






sally :)

majorsal
February 11th, 2006, 10:36 PM
We know they were on the planet for at least four hours before the drug dealers even started talking to Mitchell, then the chat with him, and the so-called escape and disappearance of the Stargates. I just assumed they had been sitting on the bench for an hour tops, but according the leader of the Allience they had SG-1 in their possession for two days and hadn't gotten any information. You'd think SG-1 would have looked a bit more tired and uncomfortable. I know my bum would have been alseep after two days of sitting in the same position.



well, there went my idea. :p




sally :)

majorsal
February 11th, 2006, 10:46 PM
There is no freaking way they were tied to those benches for 8 hours let alone 48 hours. Why would the writers even add that line. Why not just say "you have had SG-1 for 5 hours and haven’t gotten anything out of them and why would they steal the gate anyway?" (or whatever he said). Why 2 days? See it’s these stupid little things that show the inattention of the writers and the lack of care of the show.

maybe all these obvious 'wtf's are proof that this is 'not' our sg1 universe. :p





sally :)

majorsal
February 11th, 2006, 11:14 PM
SG-1 has personal locator implants, and they're introduced with a throwaway line? Feh. That could have been an episode in and of itself.



yes! showing them being implanted. showing them malfunctioning. inside them. with serious results. *that* would have made a good episode!




sally :)

majorsal
February 11th, 2006, 11:16 PM
I think the "Mary Poppins" comment was Mitchell's way of saying Carter looks much too wholesome to pass as a smuggler.

Because, you know, Mary Poppins can actually kick major ass. ;)

What did you think Mitchell's reference meant?

that's how i took it too.




sally :)

Ksenia
February 11th, 2006, 11:29 PM
Right, my feelings on this one, as I watch:

Now, I loved last week's Ethon - so my standards had been pushed up a few notches.

Teaser:
I quite liked it as when they were running to the gate, how Carter tagged Daniel to start dialling...simple yet nice little 'team' moment. Like Mitchell's response to Daniel's problem...'bad men are shooting at us' thing.

Act 1:
Daniel voiced the first thing that popped into my head: corn's from North America. I'm curious to hear more about how it came to be elsewhere.
Great to see Reynolds again! One of my favorite recurring guys.
Daniel and Teal'c's "what the heck?" reaction to Mitchell's comment about Grandma's cooking; I'd have to agree with them there. :tealcanime49:
Are they actually arguing over who looks more like a drug dealer? Amusing.
Heh, Carter's reaction to Mary Poppins. I love her. :)
Oh my, that's a lot of men. The "Mr. Shaft" thing is starting to sound a bit silly.
It's nice to see the team in something other than their usual uniforms.
Okay, replay of teaser: I like that they're using different angles and cutting the dialogue differently.

Act 2:
Hm, so who's behind the corn?
Heh, so SG1 is quite famous to be known by these guys...
Like Daniel's query and reaction! Jack definitely rubbed off on him...
Okay, wish we didn't have a new ship so quickly, and doing the same sort of rescue mission.
Locator chips!? While it makes sense, it just seems like *not* knowing could be much more interesting in future episodes.
Daniel still takes a punch well.
So the baddies are content to beat up on Daniel, Mitchell and Carter - why haven't they touched Teal'c? Or does he not bruise as easily or visibly?
Mitchell's "Oh you are not!" line just sounded too silly.
Ha! I like Nerus's line - "...but I didn't believe them. I said, 'I don't believe you.'"
I like Nerus's serious side; I think his true evilness shows in those moments.
Daniel: "Oh, it happens all the time." Poor Daniel. (and others)
Nice Daniel/Carter moment deciding why they're better alive.

Act 3:
Well, we knew that would happen. Good timing from the Odyssey. Though I do think it could have been a whole different show, and interesting on a different level, if one of them had actually been shot in the stomach or something as they were going out. Serious but not deadly. Maybe not get the timing just right.
"How about that timing Jackson?" "Good timing." I think Daniel is less than amused.
Well, good to see that what just happened to them hasn't been completely forgotten - Sam doesn't get up all the way, Daniel's got an ice pack for his jaw.
I think they should be witholding dessert just out of reach until they got the next piece of info out of Nerus.
So, the Lucian alliance has an old Goa'uld mothership too.
Hm, so they're letting him go...or are they?
Ah, Walter. He's getting to know the General quite well, and Walter looks a bit more relaxed.

Act 4:
And I love Ba'al. Cliff Simon just kicks ass - he doesn't have to say much, he conveys so much by being so subtle.
Woot, go Landry/Lee with the virus. Smart move.
Ba'al needs a better systems admin for his ship. Must be hard when you have so few followers now.
And Ba'al still gets the best costumes.
Teal'c looks...angry.
I love how the gates are piled on top of each against the wall.
Yep, Teal'c is definitely angry to step out in the middle of the corridor like that!
Cool to see Daniel and Carter working together to tag the gates.

Act 5:
Shields! Crap...
Woot, more angry Teal'c...
Go go Carter!
I like Carter and Daniel's references to what happened to them earlier when they were held prisoner.
And nice response Teal'c.
I do really like the contrast of this episode's ending to the previous episode's ending. Rough day, good day. It was a great way to wrap up the episode.

Favorite things:
Carter, Daniel. They kicked butt! Nice to see Sam's warrior and intelligent sides again; and Daniel's darker edge this one.
Ba'al. I love this guy.
Costumes. Cool to see them trying out something different.

Not so favorite things:
Nerus's appetite is amusing up to a certain point. He has such a fantastic serious side, I wish we could have dropped the humorous side for more of the serious side.
Mitchell. He got the team in trouble again, and he doesn't listen. He's getting a bit frustrating, but perhaps that's the angle the writers/producers want, as evidenced by Daniel and Sam's reactions throughtout what was happening.
The entire story was supposed to happen over a few days...but it didn't seem like a few days. Maybe we should have seen the passage of time on the planet with a scene at night or dusk or such, otherwise it was a quick hour or two to me. I got the feeling that they hadn't been back on the ship long at the briefing, as Emerson expressed something about getting back into it so quickly.

Neutral:
Would like to learn more about the Kassa and Lucian alliance.
Also, would be cool to see some more hand to hand combat...it's always been my favorite as it's quite personal. Gun fights are okay, but it just seems like there's more at stake with hand to hand combat. Space battles just don't carry the imperative doom usually (although last week's Ethon space battle was a notable exception).

Overall, it was a good episode, well paced. I think what some of the episodes have missed lately was the character moments, such as in Ethon, which made me love it so much. Mitchell is getting frustrating, and I only hope that's the direction they intend to take him as Carter and Daniel take note of it as well. Team episode again was good - next week looks team based too, I'm curious to see how Mitchell gets along with the rest the team in this one.

NotAscended
February 11th, 2006, 11:34 PM
I think the "Mary Poppins" comment was Mitchell's way of saying Carter looks much too wholesome to pass as a smuggler.

Because, you know, Mary Poppins can actually kick major ass. ;)

What did you think Mitchell's reference meant?

Mary Poppins & Carter:
--Look wholesome and proper in uniform
--Perform feats that look like magic
--Punish bad behavior in creative ways
--Can say very long words very, very quickly
--Are the people everyone else depends upon

majorsal
February 11th, 2006, 11:38 PM
They could have cut it though it happens all the time from what I read in JM's old blog. I would like to believe that they cut it out being that to me this makes more since than the writers or producer just completely disregarding the scene and saying "we can shoot around it no one will notice."

remember the scene in the ep '2001', where sam comes flying backwards out of the stargate and is in agony at the bottom of the ramp while jack, daniel, and teal'c stand by and watch her? well, i used to think the guys didn't help her because a- they filmed the sam/the guys scenes at different times, or b- some real good explanation... it turned out to be that the guys (rda, ms, cj) didn't want to wait around for them to set up another camera (it was late and they wanted to go home), so we got the end scene of *jack*, *daniel*, and *teal'c* not really caring about *sam* lying in agony at the bottom of the ramp.

why am i telling you this? because the writers *do* disregard intelligent story telling for whatever mood or whim they're experiencing.

that didn't make my happy writing that



sally :mckay:

majorsal
February 12th, 2006, 12:01 AM
spoilers for s9's 'ethon'

i wish more time would have passed before introducing us to another earth space ship... it take away from prometheus' and pendergast's deaths. makes if feel like barely any time was given to grieve and mourn before the *new* toy was dropped on us.... hmmmm, sounds familiar, eh?




sally :)

scarimor
February 12th, 2006, 01:27 AM
And I have to admit that it bugged me that when they got beamed aboard the ship, they were standing up instead of sitting down. I think it would've been funny for them to get beamed aboard in their sitting position and then fall backward as soon as they materialize.

Now that is dealt with creatively in Star Trek - in DS9 Jake falls on his butt and Nog announces, "You know you shouldn't close a holo-program when you're sitting down!" :jack_new_anime06:


Off the Grid had enough promise to be a really good, really solid episode. Crushingly, it was reduced to mind numbingly peurile camp, robbing the story and just about the entire show of any depth. I find myself seriously questioning why I'm still tuning in for this tripe

Off the Grid made a decision for me last night. I had been looking forward to it so much (the stills were great) but it was such an amateurish job... I phoned up the the TV channel and cancelled my subscription. No way am I paying to watch this any more.

travis
February 12th, 2006, 02:40 AM
Here ya go:

Does anyone think it looks a little different?

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9372/screenhunter2752my.jpg (Originally posted by Wraith Hunter)


Cool; kinda looks like its cross between the prommy and the deady. But i still have to see it in action to judge its worth.

Jonzey
February 12th, 2006, 02:56 AM
I think that's one of the big reasons why Mitchell has come under so much flak... People don't want a Chricton clone in Stargate.
I think the reason why Mitchell has come under so much flak is because he's not Jack, and some people can't let go.

valaCB
February 12th, 2006, 03:00 AM
It was John Crichton visit Stargate. The adventure with John Crichton and 3 memebers of SG1, but i don't care, i LOVE this episode.

shester
February 12th, 2006, 03:29 AM
I love Farscape but I have as yet to see John Crichton on Stargate. When I am watching Stargate I see Mitchell.
Sybil

DEM
February 12th, 2006, 03:30 AM
I wondered that too, but I just chalk it up to the transporter can rearrange there molecules into a state that makes them standing when the re-materialize.But then they wouldn't have been able to transport onto Ba'al's hatak in kneeling positions.


I think the reason why Mitchell has come under so much flak is because he's not Jack, and some people can't let go.I'm not going to speculate on other people's psychology, but I can say for myself that I was happy -- for a variety of reasons -- to see RDA take his leave. My white hot hatred for Mitchell is all about Mitchell.