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GateWorld
January 2nd, 2006, 06:17 PM
<DIV ALIGN=CENTER><TABLE WIDTH=450 BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=7><TR><TD><DIV ALIGN=LEFT><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2 COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s9/911.shtml"><IMG SRC="http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/graphics/911.jpg" WIDTH=160 HEIGHT=120 ALIGN=RIGHT HSPACE=10 VSPACE=2 BORDER=0 STYLE="border: 1px black solid" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#888888">SG-1 SEASON NINE</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 911</FONT>
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As the Ori plague spreads rapidly, SG-1 hopes that the Prior who caused the disease may hold the key to its cure. Gerak tries to rally the Jaffa to the Ori's cause, prompting Teal'c and Bra'tac to initiate a resistance.

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NakedJehutyV2
January 5th, 2006, 09:34 PM
as i won't have my directtv hooked up till tuesday i won't be able to see it tomorrow

Qasim
January 5th, 2006, 09:35 PM
lol http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=22084

NakedJehutyV2
January 5th, 2006, 09:41 PM
durrrr lol thanks qasim

Qasim
January 5th, 2006, 09:46 PM
:p

NakedJehutyV2
January 5th, 2006, 09:50 PM
yeah that didn't spoil it. only prolly half i want the whole tamale

Qasim
January 5th, 2006, 09:52 PM
Well you have to wait for the ep to air then :D

NakedJehutyV2
January 5th, 2006, 10:16 PM
damn you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!



ok

Qasim
January 5th, 2006, 10:18 PM
Unless Joe Mallozzi comes on in the meantime and tells you

NakedJehutyV2
January 6th, 2006, 12:05 AM
i'll wait

you'll tel me right?

RIGHT????? llo

Cinephilic TV Addict
January 6th, 2006, 05:01 PM
This episode was atrocious. Painful to watch.

But, there was heart in the scene on the pel’tak with Teal’c and Bratec, as well as the scene with Teal’c and Garrick by Garrick's father's grave. So, it doesn’t get zero stars.

Good acting by General Landry at the end, but awful dialogue with the new Doctor spilling her guts out – have the writers heard the word ‘subtext.’

I’ll give it 1 star. Pretty terrible.

Mio
January 6th, 2006, 05:02 PM
Poor Orlin....

I wonder when the Ancients will finally do something...


In any case..
What's interesting is that it appears that the Ancients don't appear able to spy on the Ori. Orlin said that the instant the Prior set foot in this galaxy, his life became an open book. Interesting. Either the Ancients were doing it to stay hidden, or the Ori were stopping them.

BigGator5
January 6th, 2006, 05:02 PM
Orlin, NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

*cries...*

Gaterholic
January 6th, 2006, 05:03 PM
Good.
Not great, but definitly not bad.
Good emotional ending.
I am satisfied

Johnquixote
January 6th, 2006, 05:05 PM
I thought it was possibly the best Season 9 episode thus far.

Acting was great by all, even Lam, and the Cigarette Smoking Prior was probably the best thing about the episode. Landry seems to have found his place, I was very impressed. Liked watching the Sodan, Daniel, and Mitchell at the beginning. The episode moved fast, and kept me wanting more.

The only thing that hurt the episode was commercials and time limit.

Dani347
January 6th, 2006, 05:15 PM
I thought it was slow moving. None of the different scenes had enough emphasis. I know I was supposed to feel the pressure that Orlin was under, and also feel something for Teal'c's situation, and then Daniel and Mitchell on the planet, but it seemed everything was low key. Everyone, actually.

I really wish there was more than an offhanded comment by Mitchell about not arguing against anyone for having beliefs. Have someone come off strongly for belief, despite the Ori not being worth it.


I'm guessing the scene between Landry and Dr. Lam was supposed to be heartwarming, but she came across as harsh. He's lying there, dying, and she sounds like she's fussing at him. Even when she said she understood, her tone of voice was abrupt.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 6th, 2006, 05:21 PM
Good episode. I actually expected Garek to die (lack of guest appearances is the reason I suspected this). Hammond back at the SGC made me happy. Cam talking on the place was really sweet. I give it a ***.

LtColonelSamC
January 6th, 2006, 05:21 PM
It was sad with Orlin and Sam at the end, knowing the history between the two. But I thought it was all around good...especially the scene between Orlin and the Prior

AGateFan
January 6th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Not a good episode.
I felt nothing but the occasional crnging of embarrassment.
Oooo Landry’s sick (surprise) he doesn’t die. Was there a point to his 2 minute illness? Oh yea the bad Lam speech.
Oooo Orlins sick. Was there a point to the lame your thinking too hard disease he had? Maybe for bad Carter dialogue or did they just have to get rid of Orlin.
Oooo Hammonds back… great character but his own bad dialogue. But at least we know where his character is going. Nice epilogue to the send-off he did get, which puts him ahead of the game as far as the old characters are concerned.
Ooooo Daniel got to act like a n00b so that Mitchell could try to look cool.

Look (surprise) the Sodan changed sides… wow that was fast… why they do that. Quick explanation, pretty lame, what was the point of them following the Ori for that one ep.

Look (surprise) Garack changed sides…. Wow that was fast, why did he do that, another unsatisfying explanation again what was the point of his character. What happened at the end, don’t bother to give an explanation, I don’t really care anyway, just happy he’s gone.

How come the Ori dude got his powers back and didn’t just grab his staff and start wasting people. Oh yea, that would require an explanation. As far as I can tell Stargate doesn’t do explanations anymore.

Teal’c and Bra’tec are still cool. Everything else was a waste.

BigGator5
January 6th, 2006, 05:40 PM
*dipple*

Blasphemes, "Anti-S9" person!

Hollow are the SG-1!

Dani347
January 6th, 2006, 05:41 PM
I would feel less disconcerted if the CSM prior hadn't kept using words like "blessed."

The music in the scenes with Sam and Orlin seemed manipulative. Like they wanted to make sure we knew something sad was happening.

AGateFan
January 6th, 2006, 05:46 PM
Blasphemes, "Anti-S9" person!

Hollow are the SG-1!
Careful BigGator5 someone may zap you with an anti-prior device so you will lose your power for about 10 minutes. But just wait a few and it will where off.

BigGator5
January 6th, 2006, 05:50 PM
Careful BigGator5 someone may zap you with an anti-prior device so you will lose your power for about 10 minutes. But just wait a few and it will where off.

That is why you must follow the path of TPTB. They will show you a good time, only if you give in and stop nip-picking. Hollow are the SG-1...

Akai
January 6th, 2006, 05:55 PM
I'm not clear on where Hammond went when Jack was promoted out of the SGC (presumably to Hammond's old position as head of Homeworld Security). Did Hammond retire, or did he get promoted again?

Johnquixote
January 6th, 2006, 05:55 PM
Careful BigGator5 someone may zap you with an anti-prior device so you will lose your power for about 10 minutes. But just wait a few and it will where off.
Such is the will of the Ori, that in their divine judgement, Origin shall be felt far and wide. And all unbelievers vanquished.

I like the Ori, I'm glad the Prior got through the device, means SG-1 still has to be creative on depriorizing.

BigGator5
January 6th, 2006, 05:57 PM
I'm not clear on where Hammond went when Jack was promoted out of the SGC (presumably to Hammond's old position as head of Homeworld Security). Did Hammond retire, or did he get promoted again?

Maybe he went into politics?

Akai
January 6th, 2006, 06:04 PM
Well, he said in this episode that he was being called back to Washington. So it appears he's probably still in the military in some aspect. I just wish they would say where he went, because Jack was promoted to his old position after he left the SGC, and we're just left guessing where Hammond went.

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
January 6th, 2006, 06:04 PM
In general, I think the episode well deserves at least a three out of four stars. It wasn't a four star episode, no, but it was good.
The Daniel-Mitchell dynamic is fun, and I like how they are giving Daniel an edge. It's entertaining while remaining true to his character evolution.
The Teal'c-Gerak scene was very touching to me. I think it was the best acting that Judge has done in his career of StarGate (saying a bit much, but that scene was perfect for me).
The ending was a bit deus ex machina, but a lot of StarGate episodes have ended like that, as have a lot of sci-fi shows in general.
The thing with Orlin, though... in Part I, Orlin was just an annoying kid that even I probably could have played the part better. But... in Part II, I really did feel sorry for him. The fact that by the end, he had lost everything, was actually pretty sad.
Yeah, that's my two scents on it (but none of you care for anything less than a dollar, nowadays)...

ancientalliance
January 6th, 2006, 06:06 PM
This was one of the best episodes I've seen... The best part was it uncovered some of the Ancient-Ori Tension dynamic, the Jaffa parts were very reminisent of Reckoning, another great ep...

BigBadBob
January 6th, 2006, 06:09 PM
getting ready to watch it here shortly (replay at 11:00est). Hope it's as good as it should be.

DId they catch the pryor?

binkpmmc
January 6th, 2006, 06:10 PM
I have to vote with the "bad episode" folks. Booooring - seems, if you listen to some on this thread though it really is that I just don't like Stargate and after 7 years of this being one of my favorite shows, if not my favorite, this is what it comes to. Very sad for me to see it end. This was absolutely nothing like what the real and true Stargate used to be like - this was not good, not good at all.

Dani347
January 6th, 2006, 06:19 PM
The mention of Reckoning made me think of what else I had a problem with. In that episode, everyone was separated but it felt like a team episode, because the threat of the Replicators was given a lot of weight. Plus, there were visuals. RepliCarter and the replicator bugs swarming the SGC.

But, here the thread that was supposed to run through the episode was the plague, but they just told us how bad it was. Landry didn't seem sick enough to make me care. And, it wasn't that I knew he was going to be okay. I've felt for characters when they were in dire straits, even if I knew they were going to be okay. It just didn't grab me, and they didn't all seem to be working together on one problem, and none of the individual stories stood out enough for me.

And, remember, there's nothing wrong with disliking or liking the episode, and no one is more right than anyone else.

Johnquixote
January 6th, 2006, 06:21 PM
Well, he said in this episode that he was being called back to Washington. So it appears he's probably still in the military in some aspect. I just wish they would say where he went, because Jack was promoted to his old position after he left the SGC, and we're just left guessing where Hammond went.
Hammond's not military anymore, he would've adressed the Air Force people in T4H part one in his uniform.

ancientalliance
January 6th, 2006, 06:25 PM
I have to vote with the "bad episode" folks. Booooring - seems, if you listen to some on this thread though it really is that I just don't like Stargate and after 7 years of this being one of my favorite shows, if not my favorite, this is what it comes to. Very sad for me to see it end. This was absolutely nothing like what the real and true Stargate used to be like - this was not good, not good at all.

This episode is exactly what Stargate has always been and more, I think TPTB have done an excellent job with the introduction of new characters and enemies/allies, it has revitalized the series... and frankly I have to ask what made this particular episode so boring compared to the rest of season nine?

MartoufMarty
January 6th, 2006, 06:28 PM
*reads every single post in thread*

Hmm... Doesn't really make me anymore wanting to see the episode... Maybe watching this episode will make me decide to try out our homemade booze :P

Daniel's_twin
January 6th, 2006, 06:30 PM
This is one cool ep. The whole sequence with the Prior (including the "not even a decent pie crust") was spectacular. I think it's easy to forget that the Priors were once regular men who once led lives, transformed by the Ori. I really enjoyed the whole sequence between him, Orlin, Landry, Mitchell and Daniel. Also loved Daniel's little bit in the beginning ringing his cup against the bars of his cabin. :jack_new_anime06: Liked also how they redeemed Gerak's character at the end. I also liked Teal'c's speech. It was excellent. Also nice to see Bra'tac in his old uniform again. My whole family agrees, he doesn't look right without it. So, overall, another excellent episode for season nine. Five out of Five stars. :danielanime13: :cameronanime10:

Also, I have a question. That anti-prior-sonar device that they came up with, how effective is that going to be in the future? Or will they even try using it again, considering it didn't work all that long? Just a thought. :cool:

Johnquixote
January 6th, 2006, 06:33 PM
This episode is exactly what Stargate has always been and more, I think TPTB have done an excellent job with the introduction of new characters and enemies/allies, it has revitalized the series... and frankly I have to ask what made this particular episode so boring compared to the rest of season nine?
I really enjoyed it too.
I liked how Mitchell/Daniel/Landry dealt with Cig smoking prior. And especially with Teal'c and Garak, under his creepy eyes you could see Gossett playing his part well.
SG-1 and company called the Ori gods at times, like Teal'c telling Garak what kind of gods would use their divine power in such a way. I really felt the Ori had an excellent presence.

The episode moved very fast though, I think it needed more time, as people mentioned, things changed quickly. We didn't spend much time going into Landry's illness. The Sodan converted quickly. However, I felt it was still believable. I loved Landry's reaction being pulled in by Cig prior, that was worth him getting sick. However, all the explanations and fast changes were satisfying.

Great ep.

Major_Griff
January 6th, 2006, 06:35 PM
They didn't explain how the the prior played by the Cancer Man pulled General Landry towards him at the end did they? I thought maybe it had something to do with what he was chanting like he summoned more power from the Ori with a, for lack of a better word, prayer. Or maybe the Anti-prior thingy faltered just enought to give him the power to drawl Landry in and infect him but not enough to stop the bullets from Cammy's pistol. Or was it something else?

Also great Hammond scene towards the end.:hammond:

Dani347
January 6th, 2006, 06:38 PM
<snip>

And, I forgot what I was here for. The question was posed what made the episode more boring than other episodes. It wasn't addressed to me, but since I felt underwhelmed (and I won't hide in the anti season 9 thread because I dare to criticize the show) I'll answer.

1. The acting. There was a huge global threat, and on the Sodan planet Daniel and Mitchell were trying to turn the prior around, also a huge deal. But, I felt like the tone of the acting fit more with a lighter episode. They seemed to casual. Teal'c had more intensity, and I did like the scenes between him and Brata'c.

2. The Sam and Orlin dynamic might have been okay, but it seemed out of place. I love SG1 interacting with kids (eh, I'm calling him a kid even if he had the memories of an adult/ancient) but to me, they're better when they're the main plot (like Singularity) or when they're just a little extra thing to add color to an episode (like the scenes between Daniel and the little girl in Birthright.) It was too much for an episode where a member of SG1 developing a bond with a kid wasn't the A plot.

I just didn't feel anything about Landry. I have to say, I think if someone else had been there watching besides Lam (who came across bratty to me) I would have felt it more.

One other thing I liked was Mitchell with Haikon, trying to convince them to go against the Ori, before he knew they already decided. It was low key, but it reminded me of Mitchell in part 1, when he quietly says that he didn't believe the Sodan gave them false info. Low key, but still important. But, the whole banter just felt out of place. I think Daniel and Mitchell have some good chemistry, and I like to see them banter or do back and forth quips, but I don't think this was the best episode for it.

So, just my reasons. I don't expect to change people's minds, but i feel justified in giving them. See part two of my signature.

Seshat
January 6th, 2006, 06:41 PM
I have to vote with the "bad episode" folks. Booooring - seems, if you listen to some on this thread though it really is that I just don't like Stargate and after 7 years of this being one of my favorite shows, if not my favorite, this is what it comes to. Very sad for me to see it end. This was absolutely nothing like what the real and true Stargate used to be like - this was not good, not good at all.
I felt it was very draggy in parts. Sometimes a two-parter just feels like it's been expanded too much to fill the time slot. Lots of lingering looks just before commercial breaks...

I also do not understand why Gen. Hammond is no longer military. I do remember him in a suit in the first part as well, but did I miss something somewhere? Did someone in the show SAY that he was no longer in the air force, retired, what? I know I don't watch that closely any more, but I think I would have noticed that little item.

AGateFan
January 6th, 2006, 06:43 PM
Magic.
But they dont explain lots of stuff anymore.
They also didnt really explain the quick turn of the Sodan or why they were not suprised Mitchell was alive.
They didnt really explain the quick turn of Garek (guess the critical moment took place off screen)... Guess the whole "holding the Baal is still alive information over his head" is pointless now.
Didnt really explain why Hammond made a stop over in a quarinteened facility before moving on to the other air force base.
Didnt really get into the Orlin thing too much. He wanted to hold onto his memories to find the cure but ended up with neither as far as I can tell.

Pretty much it seemed that whatever scipt had been written was terribly chopped up. It was like watching a movied that has been edited for TV and for time constraints. Very dissappointing.

Skydiver
January 6th, 2006, 06:48 PM
We need a little refresher course on the word Respect.

you do not need to like a person's opinion, or even agree with it.

you do need to respect it.

this means no name calling. no berating someone who is posting. ALL opinions about the episode are welcome on this thread, be they pro or con.

If you do not think that you can do that here, then maybe it would be best if you did not post here.

a respectful debate can be a lot more fun than a mud slinging and name calling fest.

captainpash
January 6th, 2006, 06:49 PM
Still using that old cliche. The show was good, but cliche.

Arative
January 6th, 2006, 06:57 PM
Over all I liked the episode, one thing that bothered me

It didn't sit right with me that both Jackson and Mitchell were so cavalier when dealing the Prior. Sure it looks cool when they do it but it was a few seaons before they started treating the Gou'ald like that. I just don't think that they would be treating the Ori that way considering the Ori are suppose to be badest of the bad.

I like the Sodan but then I've always like stories about warrior races. With the near mythic status of the Sodan with the rest of the Jaffa having them on our side will help sway the rest Jaffa to SGC's cause.

Touching scene between Bra'tac and Teal'c. I always knew that Teal'c really respected and admired Bra'tac but I think this was the first time I realized that Teal'c really regards him as a father. Oh and I'd love to see Bra'tac leading the council, sure Teal'c started the rebellion but Bra'tac saw it through and guided it when Teal'c was busy with SG-1

I wasn't that surprised the Gerak would turn back. At least we now know that the Ori's hold over the Prior's isn't complete. I would have prefered that he didn't die, he made a good foil for Teal'c and I think he was turned Prior too soon but thats just me. I wouldn't be surprised if he came back at some point though.

Loved seeing Hammond again but I want to know what he is. Is he the Vice-President? Joint Chief? Chief of Staff? Secertary of State? I want to know!!!

Poor Orlin, helps us out and ends up living the rest of his life in a home. I was waiting for him die and the end and ascend but I'm actually glad that didn't happen. At least we learned the Ori's true purpose, not only gain followers but to destroy the Ancients. So when are the Ancients going to start helping us out? They need us to save thier glowing butts!

Pharaoh Atem
January 6th, 2006, 06:58 PM
This was Chris Judges best acted episode especially when he is talking to gerak on the planet it's great that there gave chris more lines last year so now we can see more of teal'c and chris can show more of his acting skills.:tealc:

As for the epasiode it self i liked it I think Daniel and mitchell broke the priors heart lol he looked like he was going to cry:cameron:

BigGator5
January 6th, 2006, 07:02 PM
I like this episode so much, I'm going to be watching it again!

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captainpash
January 6th, 2006, 07:14 PM
It is an episode that follows the mold of every other SG-1 episode. Then we actually get emotion. They tired, and got 2/3 times right. So, I mean who can fault them. At least they are adding depth to a show that is ussualy just on for fun.

binkpmmc
January 6th, 2006, 07:15 PM
This episode is exactly what Stargate has always been and more, I think TPTB have done an excellent job with the introduction of new characters and enemies/allies, it has revitalized the series... and frankly I have to ask what made this particular episode so boring compared to the rest of season nine?

I didn't say it was boooring compared to the rest of season 9 - it was just as boring, to me, as most of the first half eps have been. Vala is a disgrace, IMO and those eps are lost eps for me (time I spent watching what little of them I did was wasted time I can never have back. Many of the other first half eps were just as boring.) Where is the team we used to know, the spirit the camaraderie, yes Mitchell is new but at least Sam, Daniel and Teal'c could act like they know and like each other and have worked to save the world together hundreds of times for the past 8 years, and at least they could make an effort to have all 4 of them together once in awhile, especially given that Mitchell is new, to give at least some small impression that they really and truly are a team.

The writers etc, IMO, have lost their punch and their spark. The Ori are not interesting, they are not scary and they do not throw me into worry that somehow they will win or defeat anyone I really care about. The Lam/Landry stuff was a waste of good screen time - she is shrill and juvenile and immature. I wish TPTB would get away from writing so much of this cutesy "personal" stuff and get away from soapy crap - yes I think that this show has gone waaay too far in the direction of soap.

I have a personal take on Mitchell and BB which I will refrain from saying here as I will likely be flamed for it so suffice it to say that the character is wooden and almost dead and does nothing for me - I have nothing invested in the character and so far he has done nothing to make me want to waste my time getting invested. The scenes with Mitchell flying and, once again, in peril, because of the Cigarette Smoking Man (and that's who he is to me - he wasn't a Stargate bad guy - he was the CSM who could make Mitchell fly) did absolutely nothing because in the eps Mitchell has actually been given something to do he has been in peril at some point in almost every one of them - it's like that cartoon where the blonde always ended up tied to the railroad tracks but you knew she would always get out. It is becoming funny to watch Mitchell get into peril - it's boooring now after so many eps in such a short time with him always in trouble. Makes me wonder about his abilities as a military man - he's got the Daniel in peril syndrome.

The stuff with Orlin and Carter was just plain boring as well. Saw that coming a mile away. Saw that ending coming a mile away too - not so much the Gerak fire thing (glad he's gone though, maybe now Teal'c will have something more to do) that was about the only "exciting" part because for one brief second you were not sure what would happen after that. And once again, in the last one minute of the ep everything is miraculously fine and within 1 second Landry goes from death's door to up and about - they could have at least had him struggle to get his bearings back for a minute or two. It is getting booooring, boooring booring. The show has become like every other show on TV - mediocre TV - nothing special and nothing different and my fears for when Vala returns take it even below mediocre.

The other waste of screen time was Hammnd and Landry in Landry's office talking about the stock market and govermnment destabilization - please can you say spoon feed and can you say what a waste of good Hammond time where they actually could have used the guy for something more relevant and substantive than that dreck. I loved seeing Hammond but boy what a waste of his time (and what excalty is he doing and what happened to have him out of the AF, if he is out. Once again, just like Jack, and like why Carter is back, and why Teal'c and Daniel and Carter decided to rejoin and all of the other unanswered questions -- TPTB have lost their touch).

So after 7 years (they lost me mid-season 7 and definitely lost me in S8 but I was willing to give S9 a chance anyway) of this being one of my favorite shows because it was always different, always exciting, it has become humdrum, run-of-the-mill typical TV fare you can catch on any one of a hundred channels every day now. As I said - it is sad to see it end for me but it has.

uknesvuinng
January 6th, 2006, 07:16 PM
DO NOT QUESTION TPTB! INDEPENDENT OPINIONS ARE EVIL! CONFORM OR ELSE! BURN THE DISSENTERS!

For some odd reason, it's harder for me to spell when I type in all caps...

Also, I haven't actually seen the episode yet, as I'm currently sans SciFi. Anyone want to synopsize for I and other potiential spoiler-mongers?

the fifth man
January 6th, 2006, 07:23 PM
Overall, I am very pleased with this episode. If this is a sign of things to come, me and many others out here are going to be very happy campers. If this ep was a sendoff for Hammond, I thought it was done rather well. As for the others, I really liked the progression of several characters, such as Landry and Lam. Definitely Beau Bridges' best performance to date. As for Teal'c, awesome! Very powerful performance by him and Bra'tac. I also liked how Gerak chose to do the right thing in the end. I knew he wasn't all bad. Yep, I'm definitely watching this puppy again later - I taped it.:)

Skydiver
January 6th, 2006, 07:25 PM
Just in case you missed my post on the previous page, this is a DISCUSSION thread. all opinions are welcome here, be they pro, be they con, be they in the middle.

If you find that a poster's opinion constantly offends you, there is the ignore feature, which is sorely under used.

This thread is to discuss the episode, not each other. Posts discussing other posters are off topic and will be deleted.

Should individuals continue to ignore the rules of this forum they can face moderation.

Dani347
January 6th, 2006, 07:26 PM
edited to try and make my prayer come true.


captainpash It is an episode that follows the mold of every other SG-1 episode. Then we actually get emotion. They tired, and got 2/3 times right. So, I mean who can fault them. At least they are adding depth to a show that is ussualy just on for fun.

Tangent, Show and Tell, Forever and a Day, Singularity, Reckoning 2, Avalon 2, Protoype. Just a few examples (some from this season) that were more than just fun, that had depth, and that made me feel something that this episode didn't.

the fifth man
January 6th, 2006, 07:33 PM
Funny, I thought this ep did a lot to bring things together a little. The old and the new.

the fifth man
January 6th, 2006, 07:40 PM
Awesome episode. Some very powerful performances, I'll tell you that. Keep your eyes on Teal'c and Landry.:)

Battousai the Manslayer
January 6th, 2006, 07:46 PM
I was totally into it, good to see new episodes of SG-1!!

-Teal'c is quite the diplomat. I loved how he handled the whole Gerak situation. That was pretty awesome, it's about time he starts to get some respect for saving the entire Jaffa race. Hopefully Bratac will lead, good to see him back.

-Mitchell and Jackson had some great comedy moments. I think the only thing you can do wrong with Mitchell is not give him enough screen time.

-I didn't get bored by the Carter/Little ancient (what's his name??) subplot. I thought that was handled well, except her shirt at the end could've been a little more low cut. Any time she's not in uniform it's a perfect excuse, come on TPTB. j/k

-However, I was completly sick of Landry, and the sappy family problems he brings to Earth's first line of defense, the SGC!! This is just getting out of control, I found myself hoping that he would just cry in his bed and die of sickness so we could get a new General. Hammond never had any baggage, he was too damn busy worrying about everything else!! It just seems unprofessional to have the head of the medical staff crying about her rough childhood during a cataclysmic medical disaster threatening the entire Earth. I have no problems with Vala or Mitchell whatsoever, however...Lam and Landry still need some SIGNIFICANT retooling.

-Gotta say, even though I liked the episode my current rank is
1st place Battlestar Galactica (flawless)
2nd place Stargate Atlantis (comedy+action+CG=good time)
3rd place Stargate SG-1 (just not quite firing on all cylinders yet)

Dannygirl
January 6th, 2006, 07:48 PM
*applause* I honestly think this was the best s.9 epi yet. And considering the fact that there are so many different opinions about it (loving and hating) makes it even better in my eyes. I can't wait to get it on DVD so that I won't have to deal with those blasted commercials.

Tremendous acting. Teal'c and Gerak were the highlights by far, esp. at the end. Those two are so dynamic together...
Landry and the Doc daughter, I actually teared up when she was talking. Lexa was perfect. She had so much anger and resentment, but then realization of what it was like for him. She seemed even angry at that, like a part of her didn't want to sympathize, that she wanted to go on hating him. His expression and then that tear was perfect.
I was thankful for the banter b/t Daniel and Mitchell. It helped to lighten up the tension or else it would've been too much w/i an a simple hour.
As for Orlin and Sam. *sob* To see him like that at the end. His speech in the middle when talking about it not being fair, the memories he's losing. It seemed painful to listen to him being so helpless. Amazing acting by far.
I'm so looking forward to how this'll play out. What will happen when the Ori go after the Ancients??? How will the Milky Way galaxy be affected if there should be a war? The only way I can see an out is if SG-1 goes to the Ori homeworld to try to enlighten the peoples to what's really going on. To diminish the Ori's power.
Yes, the scenes were short, but the emotions packed no less of a punch.
One slight inconsistency though. If this plague passed via touch, then Daniel should've been infected when Landry fell, and time doesn't seem to be much of an issue with this plague. This is slight though. 5/5

the fifth man
January 6th, 2006, 07:48 PM
Huh, I like where the Landry and Lam relationship is going. For me, it's nice to see a personal side to things.

Battousai the Manslayer
January 6th, 2006, 07:54 PM
Huh, I like where the Landry and Lam relationship is going. For me, it's nice to see a personal side to things.
From the sound of it you're not alone. I don't know, it just seems too early to play that card for their character to me. JMHO.

Dannygirl
January 6th, 2006, 07:56 PM
The relationship b/t those (Landry and Lam) two I also thought had a wonderful breakthrough.


I don't get the problem some have with the Sodan changing sides. The only reason why they went Ori was because they wished for enlightment/ascension. The Sodan aren't weak or wayward in their beliefs. They had their view of what enlightment was and realized on their first mission out that their view was 180 degrees different from that of the Ori. They didn't buy what the Ori believed, only what they were selling (ascension). I honestly thought that if the writers were to do the Sodan, their faith, and what they stood for, justice, then the Sodan would be one of the first to break away from something as grotesque as the Ori.

the fifth man
January 6th, 2006, 07:57 PM
From the sound of it you're not alone. I don't know, it just seems too early to play that card for their character to me. JMHO.

I see where you're coming from.:) I guess all we can do is hope that tptb reach a level with this relationship that we all can tolerate.

Droops
January 6th, 2006, 07:59 PM
I liked this one a lot. I wouldn't call it the best ever but I liked it.

Browder and Shanks banter was hysterical.

Judge had a heck of a role tonight and did it well.

We had lots of other characters come in and I thought they all did a good job. The only bad job was Lexa Doag, who I thought over-acted there towards the end. But otherwise, good job all around.

Worth seeing again, and good plot and character development.

digitalphil
January 6th, 2006, 08:00 PM
I'm a die hard SG1 fanatic
and i've enjoyed season 9 so far
so i was excited about the start of the Second half of season 9
and BOY WAS IT A DISAPPOINTMENT


some earlier poster hit all the points

1. The Sodan switch sides (all of a sudden)
2. Cringe factor in ALL the ORLIN scenes didnt anyone realize that the
kid was just spitting out his LONG DRONING lines with no emotion
while the music was implying some sadness/pain/connection between
sam and himself
3. The Strange interaction between the Prior and Mitchel/Daniel
Didnt anyone notice that the SODAN WARRIORS WERE LEFT JUST
STANDING AROUND A RING FOR THE WHOLE SHOW SAYING NOTHING
DOING NOTHING
4. Gerek switching sides (all of a sudden)
5. The Quick and Easy Answer to a plauge that's spreading rapidly across
The World?????????
Darn
I've enjoyed the ORI so far, i've enjoyed Season 9 so far
but Episode 11 season 9 was BAD BAD BAD

Dani347
January 6th, 2006, 08:02 PM
I didn't mind the existence of the scene between Landry and Lam. I'm all for character interaction. What got me, was that Lam seemed to want to get in her kicks while she still could. "You hurt ME, because you had to run off without saying why to ME, and now that I'm in the same position I understand, but you know it's all because you hurt ME, and I'm going to make sure I drum it in just how much you hurt ME. If you die, I want you to be fully aware of how much you're actions hurt ME."

MS oldest daughter was supposed to be in an episode. Was she the one who was outside when Daniel tapped the bars of the window? Or is she going to be in another episode?

Dromag67
January 6th, 2006, 08:12 PM
Great episode overall IMHO.

Hallowed are the Ori.

Glad to see they are on their way.

Landry & Lam relationship and both characters are coming along nicely, very touching at the end.

Great to see Hammond again never can get enough of him coming back once in awhile. :hammond:

Cam Mitchell is fitting in better and it was great during the Prior attack scenes.

It was a great end to Gerak's character at least for the short term, you never know about these things. ;)

Teal'c got TONS of screen time so I don't even want to hear about him not getting enough, he did some of his best acting yet. Part 2 was much better than Part 1.

Although I still wish they had the original actor back for Orlin, the kid just didn't seem right in both episodes.

Can't wait to see the team back working together in the next episode.

Rated: Outstanding

Oh yeah, great 60 second opener too a hellufalot better than the 10 second thing.

majorsal
January 6th, 2006, 08:12 PM
i just finished with the ep. it was alright. about the only thing i'd change is STOP having mitchell run those one-liners! :rolleyes:






sally :)

esoap524
January 6th, 2006, 08:13 PM
Talky, slow moving and boring. In my opinion of course.

but I dig those opening credits!

MasySyma
January 6th, 2006, 08:13 PM
The episode rocked!

I'm not usually a fan of the Jaffa-centered episodes, and I have complained about Gerak numerous times; however, tonight the Jaffa section of the episode was fantastic. I loved that Teal'c confirmed that his place is with SG-1; he's no longer moonlighting from the Jaffa council. Gerak's redemtion helped me tolerate his character, and the Sodan were a nice addition to the episode. Since they had already made up their own minds, I didn't find their quicker conversion to "our" side a problem. I would have been upset if Mitchell had known four words to save the day. This culture made up its own mind, which is what the team has been aiming for all season. SG-1 had its first victory of the season!

I enjoyed watching the Prior become confused, angry, and frightened, and I liked seeing the human side to the priors and the cost of such blind devotion. The scene with Laudry was nice. Mitchell and Daniel did well interacting with the prior too. I disagree that they were too flippant. Sarcasm is almost the only way to fight the priors. They want respect and attention, so quips about recipies are a way to resist their rhetoric.

The Orlin and Carter scenes were interesting, and the end was particularly sad. He sacrificed himself to help humanity (partially because it included Carter), and now he can't even remember who Sam is. General Hammond's presence and the scene with the team was fantastic as well.

Many people have offered heavy criticism about the Laudry/Lam sequence. I thought the scene was well-done and extremely touching. I haven't watered up at an SG-1 episode in a long time. The scene allowed the background of both characters to come forward and shows how they can develop a positive relationship in the future. As much as I like General Hammond, I prefer the background we are getting on Laudry's life. We know that Hammond has grandkids . . . crickets chirp . . . and he has grandkids. We've learned very little about his past, his parents, his reason for being in the military, how he got in charge of the base, etc. The writers are doing a nice job of making the new general a three-dimensional character.

Overall, the show worked for me. I thought it was one of the best Season 9 episodes, and it reminded me of the best of classic SG-1. I hope the remainder of Season 9 is as good.

Traveler Enroute1
January 6th, 2006, 08:13 PM
OK, quick and short, since I can't seem to stay connected:

I LIKED THE FOURTH HORSEMAN PT. 2.

I liked that Sam got to do 2IC at SGC! "Stand down!" for Teal'c and Garek. Okitwasallof10minutesbytheclock, but hey! Yay, Sam; foreshadowing??

I liked Cam in this ep, and his interaction with Daniel who I also liked here.

I liked Teal'c's strategy with Garek; moved me, as did Garek's sacrifice.

I liked Sam and Orlin; the tragi-hero in the little boy was quite touching.

Just sayin', I liked this ep a lot. My rating: 4 stars.

Just sayin', hope I get to post anything here tonight! Aaagh!!:P

ToasterOnFire
January 6th, 2006, 08:19 PM
Initial thoughts:

-The plague plotline just didn't work, IMO. I never got the feeling of dread that the plague that would wipe out humanity unless it could be stopped. Was it because we were simply being told what was happening by military reports and news clips? Would it have been better if they had shown some scenes of people on the street panicking, hospitals jam packed with infected patients, militaries imposing martial law on unhappy civilains? I think so.

-I wasn't expecting Gerek to turn back and save everyone, so that was a nice twist for me.

-Yay Hammond! :hammond:

-One of the better Teal'c episodes I've seen, simply because they gave him lots to work with.

-I'm actually quite neutral on the Sam/Orlin subplot. Neither good nor bad, it was simply there.

-I like Mitch a lot more when he's serious. However, I just can't enjoy his character when he's snapping off one-liners. His snarky banter back and forth with Daniel while they held the Prior just didn't seem appropriate either.

-Lam's discussion with Landry at the end, while quite personal and vulnerable on her end, didn't quite work for me. Landry's reaction was nice, but I'm SO sick of Lam's eyerolling. Everytime she does it I'm reminded of a teenager rebelling against her parents, and Lam is a grown woman, FCOL.

Dani347
January 6th, 2006, 08:29 PM
Initial thoughts:

-The plague plotline just didn't work, IMO. I never got the feeling of dread that the plague that would wipe out humanity unless it could be stopped. Was it because we were simply being told what was happening by military reports and news clips? Would it have been better if they had shown some scenes of people on the street panicking, hospitals jam packed with infected patients, militaries imposing martial law on unhappy civilains? I think so.

I think so, too. It was tell, not show. 3000 people? Big whoop when they're just a statistic.




-One of the better Teal'c episodes I've seen, simply because they gave him lots to work with.

In assessing the episode, I'd say that plot was the best in this episode, although not as good as other episodes like Birthright or Avatar.



-I like Mitch a lot more when he's serious. However, I just can't enjoy his character when he's snapping off one-liners. His snarky banter back and forth with Daniel while they held the Prior just didn't seem appropriate either.

It did seem out of place. If the banter was there to lighten the episode, it didn't work (for me) because it seemed too blantantly there for that purpose, rather than naturally occuring. I mean, with Earth in a plague, and the Sodan in danger of being wiped out (it wasn't like CSM prior was the only prior who could come there) the flippancy didn't fit the situation.


-Lam's discussion with Landry at the end, while quite personal and vulnerable on her end, didn't quite work for me. Landry's reaction was nice, but I'm SO sick of Lam's eyerolling. Everytime she does it I'm reminded of a teenager rebelling against her parents, and Lam is a grown woman, FCOL.

Lam's abruptness works when she's in medical mode. I don't mind her not being a sensitive, nice doctor. But, dealing with her dying father, who I assume she was trying to connect and to indirectly say she forgave him, her attitude screamed anything but.

Sela
January 6th, 2006, 08:29 PM
First of all, glad to have the full theme back again. That alone put me in a more receptive mood, but I'm scratching my head over the CG gate in the opening. Why? After 8+ seasons they couldn't find an actual shot of the gate to place in there? I was also glad to see AT in the main cast line-up in the opening sequence as well as just the team, harkening back to the earlier seasons. I think that will put to rest the questions of her being replaced on the team, which is a good thing. I love Carter and don't want to see her go anywhere.

Loved the dynamic between Cam and Daniel. They had the banter done and it was very nicely done. Good team. I also love the way Daniel's character has become more comfortable in his skin with the combat side of things. He's starting to feel much more like a soldier to me. Maybe the smartest soldier in the field, (next to Sam, of course), but still a soldier. Wouldn't mind seeing Daniel lead a team.

Chris Judge - what can I say? The depth of his abilities as an actor were well showcased in this episode. The scene with Garek at Garek's father's graveside was amazing. I was completely blown away. Well done Chris.

Loved seeing Hammond anytime but I agree with others who want to know about his civilian status. When did this happen and why? Can't anyone tell us what he's doing? Why is this such a state secret? And I also found it strange that when he said he was heading back to Washington, no one said, "Tell Jack we said 'Hi'." What was that all about?

Like many others, I didn't like Lam's rant against her dying father in front of a room full of people that he's got to go back and command. This scene would have best been played out by his bedside after he had recovered, ot if it had to be when he was sick, with her at his bedside talking to him through the hazmat suit. What purpose did it serve to yell at him in front of everybody else? Very, very tacky. Badly done. Didn't like that at all.

For the most part, I liked this episode. Sad to see us losing Louis Gosset, Jr. but as we couldn't keep him forever, was glad that Gerek died as a good guy. :) Loved Bratac, as always. Looking forward to next week.

NotAscended
January 6th, 2006, 08:34 PM
Have to agree with many posters that there were some plot and pacing problems; it seemed like they were trying to get a lot of information across for future plot development (e.g., Priors go poof if they disagree with the Ori, the Ori are after the ancients). But I still really enjoyed the episode because all the actors, especially Chris Judge, were really on their game. Even during the Lam/Landry personal reveal (which I agree seemed a bit out of place in this episode and maybe too early at all), Beau Bridges sold the character so well that I understood his pain.

Now, I can just hope the writers can give the actors a bit better material.

binkpmmc
January 6th, 2006, 08:42 PM
Dani347 used this line to describe one scene: "because it seemed too blantantly there for that purpose, rather than naturally occuring."

This hits the nail on the head for me for a lot of what is happening in this episode as well as it being one of the biggest problems with so many other eps thus far in S9 - it all seems so blatant - it's not natural. The team interactions, the tight spots, the results, the endings always seemed natural, now it all seems forced and contrived. It feels like everyone is just going through the motions and the writing is just going through the motions.

majorsal
January 6th, 2006, 08:44 PM
-However, I was completly sick of Landry, and the sappy family problems he brings to Earth's first line of defense, the SGC!! This is just getting out of control, I found myself hoping that he would just cry in his bed and die of sickness so we could get a new General. Hammond never had any baggage, he was too damn busy worrying about everything else!! It just seems unprofessional to have the head of the medical staff crying about her rough childhood during a cataclysmic medical disaster threatening the entire Earth. I have no problems with Vala or Mitchell whatsoever, however...Lam and Landry still need some SIGNIFICANT retooling.



i think landry's the best 'new' thing of this 'new' show. in fact, when i was watching the scene between landry and his snotty daughter (when landry was tearing up)... i felt he's too good for this show.




sally :)

Droops
January 6th, 2006, 08:44 PM
Now see, I LIKED Mitchell's banter. As for them being funny during a serious moment, I saw it as part of the plot. They were trying to show the prior that they were NOT afraid of the Ori, and didn't expect them to do anything. And the Ori didn't. If they had been serious-faced and sullen, it wouldn't have had the same effect.

Besides, the pie crust recipe remark was hysterical. :D

Dani347
January 6th, 2006, 08:46 PM
Maybe it was because I found Lam so disgusting, but when I saw the tear on Landry all I could think was, "prop person added water so we'd know this was a tender moment." I couldn't think of any reason why Landry would cry over that brat. Unless he was crying that he had to put up with her whining while he was on his death bed.


If they had been serious-faced and sullen, it wouldn't have had the same effect.

I think there's more than just sullen on one extreme and the Mitchell/Daniel Live at the Sodan Comedy hour on the other. How about earnest? Or, even dismissive (to show they weren't afraid). It was like Jack's taunting of Ba'al in Zero Hour, which came across as too flippant. What it should have been was like Jack in Serpent's Song, when he was taunting Apophis. (And, Jack was the first example I came up with to illustrate the difference)

Shipperahoy
January 6th, 2006, 08:52 PM
I liked this episode. It isn't my favorite of the season but it was a good conclusion. The pacing felt a bit slow at times but I really liked that everybody had something to do in this episode. Teal'c actually got something to do and spoke more than a sentence or two here and there which was a real delight. It makes me remember what a terrific actor Chris is when given the chance. Daniel and Mitchell have developed a nice banter between them, almost reminiscent of the old Danny and Jack banter. They have excellent timing and I'm looking forward to seeing a friendship develop there. We got a little more development for Landry here also, it's the first episode that I actually saw the character as a person instead of just the new head of the SGC.

It seemed a little too handily wrapped up but it's pretty much all that can be expected when having to wrap up a storyline in 42 minutes. I liked the fact that they had Gerak redeeming himself instead of having Sam and co. come up with a miracle cure at the last second, that would have been a little too handy. I also like that they made it clear that there is still a threat and even though this was averted they are by no means safe. It takes the edge off of the too handy wrap up a bit. All in all a good ep and I'm really looking forward to seeing what Ben does with the juicy story he gets in the next ep.

Battousai the Manslayer
January 6th, 2006, 08:53 PM
i think landry's the best 'new' thing of this 'new' show. in fact, when i was watching the scene between landry and his snotty daughter (when landry was tearing up)... i felt he's too good for this show. It's cool to hear opposing opinions, that's why I like threads that aren't already declared either a pro or an anti thread. :)

I'm not military or anything, but I atleast thought that the illusion that SG-1 could be real military was much better when there was a general attitude of professionalism and respect, most of all for the General. I thought it was cool that Hammond had literally no backstory. It made it seem like he sacrificed everything to be in pretty much the elite command on planet Earth. Even in the West Wing the white house chief of staff doesn't have time to ever see his family.

No one could use a red phone like Hammond :hammond: j/k

FoolishPleasure
January 6th, 2006, 08:54 PM
Gotta post before the evil white screen of death reappears!!

I really liked this episode a lot. As the season has progressed, the episodes have improved - I enjoy and accept the newbie characters now, with a few nit-piks on Lam. Not quite into that character yet.

The good:

New opening credits were cool! But I'm with Sela - why the CGI gate?

Teal'c, Bra'tac, Gerak. Wonderful - all of them! I'm one who has complained that the Jaffa arc has grown dull, but this was terrific. For those who thought Gerak changed his mind too quickly, I saw a gradual change from the beginning when Teal'c was challenging him, and especially when they discussed Gerak's father towards the end. When they came through the gate to SGC, you could just see the weight of the universe on Gerak's shoulders. He knew he had done the wrong thing, and he knew what he had to do. Nice work by Lou Gossett. Too bad he won't be back.

Mitchell - I've come to quite like him, and I DO like his banter (especially the pie crust thing ;) ). Browder sure does look good in that black uniform. ;)

Smoking Man Prior (well, what else ya gonna call him) - very good acting (William Davis, yes?) with the facial expressions. But he was always magnificant in "X-Files".

Sam and Orlin - Scenes talking about Orlin's descent did drag a bit, but the last scene between them had me looking for the kleenex box.

Landry - I like him. Good replacement for Hammond (but no one can really replace Hammond).

The bad: Not much to complain about. No episode is ever going to be perfect, but this one was quite entertaining. There was humor, excitement, sadness and loss. I guess I can't say anything bad on Mr. Mallozzi's blog this week. :D

Michelle05
January 6th, 2006, 08:55 PM
Lam's abruptness works when she's in medical mode. I don't mind her not being a sensitive, nice doctor. But, dealing with her dying father, who I assume she was trying to connect and to indirectly say she forgave him, her attitude screamed anything but.

I have to agree. This should have been the chance for Lam to soften up, but she was far too harsh, especially when recounting the past at the start of the scene. Even by the end of the scene, there still wasn't a solid reconciliation, and I felt it was time to make some progress against the strained relationship.

Otherwise I really enjoyed the episode, esp the Daniel and Mitchell scenes with the Sodan and the Prior. I for one really liked the banter; it suits the dark humor the show often has.

Dani347
January 6th, 2006, 08:59 PM
Daniel and Mitchell have developed a nice banter between them, almost reminiscent of the old Danny and Jack banter. They have excellent timing and I'm looking forward to seeing a friendship develop there.

I do like the way the friendship is developing. They have good timing together, and it's not a retread of Jack and Daniel. They banter, but it's their own banter. Which would have fit more when they were in the hut rather than when they were with the prior.


I'm really looking forward to seeing what Ben does with the juicy story he gets in the next ep.

I'm hoping it's good. He has some nice small moments, but imo, he really hasn't shown the level that I expected. I'm hoping a really juicy episode (that is played with the right intensity) shows him knocking it out of the park.

majorsal
January 6th, 2006, 09:03 PM
Browder and Shanks banter was hysterical.

my *least* fave part of the ep. what's with being jokey at a time like that? it was really mitchell and his one-liners that was getting to me. this actor and character are better than that.


Judge had a heck of a role tonight and did it well.

agreed. and i liked garek doing what he did. no matter what crappy things he's been saying and doing, he's still a good man. that sacrificed himself. :sam59:


one thing.

i wish i could get excited about this show like i used to. i miss that.





sally :)

shiznaw
January 6th, 2006, 09:05 PM
Such is the will of the Ori, that in their divine judgement, Origin shall be felt far and wide. And all unbelievers vanquished.

I like the Ori, I'm glad the Prior got through the device, means SG-1 still has to be creative on depriorizing.

i believe that's the core problem of this entire Season. Before Season 09, SG was markedly different in that each episode was layered with on-going sub-plots and sub-texts. Some episodes were stand-alone segments while others allowed team members to use their differing points-of-view and unique strengths in order to overcome the threat-of-the-day. It wasn't just about a linear progression toward destroying an even more powerful and more audacious enemy. Stargate never existed for that sole purpose; however, I fear that it has been reduced to just that.

majorsal
January 6th, 2006, 09:10 PM
The Orlin and Carter scenes were interesting, and the end was particularly sad. He sacrificed himself to help humanity (partially because it included Carter), and now he can't even remember who Sam is. General Hammond's presence and the scene with the team was fantastic as well.

i liked that ending sam-orlin scene too. it was sad.

i never was able to 'really' see this kid as orlin. he was too bland (*not* the way sean patrick flannery played him). but the ending was touching.



sally :)

Dani347
January 6th, 2006, 09:12 PM
my *least* fave part of the ep. what's with being jokey at a time like that?

sally :)

If they knew they had the prior incapacited for good and there would be no retaliation, I could see them being cocky enough to joke. But, knowing that there are still more priors that could come? And, how was the banter going to convince the prior to go against the Ori? Orlin and Landry did a better job, and I didn't feel like they should have a microphone and someone doing a "ba-dum-bum" to signal the punch line like I did with Mitchell and Daniel.

BigGator5
January 6th, 2006, 09:12 PM
...was glad that Gerek died as a good guy. :) Loved Bratac, as always. Looking forward to next week.

Who said Gerek is dead? :jonas16:

Shipperahoy
January 6th, 2006, 09:16 PM
If they knew they had the prior incapacited for good and there would be no retaliation, I could see them being cocky enough to joke. But, knowing that there are still more priors that could come? And, how was the banter going to convince the prior to go against the Ori? Orlin and Landry did a better job, and I didn't feel like they should have a microphone and someone doing a "ba-dum-bum" to signal the punch line like I did with Mitchell and Daniel.

I see your point but I guess I just saw it as a sort of return to the Stargate of old. They were always joking around during life and death situations. Sure it was often completely inappropriate but that's part of what made it fun for me. I'm just curious, but do you think that part of why it felt off to you is because Mitchell is a new character? Cuz I sometimes get a vibe while watching him that it feels a bit out of place just because I'm still trying to find the character.

Droops
January 6th, 2006, 09:17 PM
I thought the banter was appropriate for the moment and consistent with the show.

Oh, btw, good to see Walter with some good lines tonight!

majorsal
January 6th, 2006, 09:21 PM
Loved seeing Hammond anytime but I agree with others who want to know about his civilian status. When did this happen and why? Can't anyone tell us what he's doing? Why is this such a state secret? And I also found it strange that when he said he was heading back to Washington, no one said, "Tell Jack we said 'Hi'." What was that all about?



what IS hammond doing now? (maybe he and jack are co-head janitors in washington dc).

misses --> :jack:




sally :)

Hyperspace
January 6th, 2006, 09:22 PM
Chris Judge was the highlight of this ep for me...

...an Ori ep I actually enjoyed, sorta.

Sela
January 6th, 2006, 09:24 PM
No one could use a red phone like Hammond :hammond:

This is so true. There will never be another like Hammond, no disrespect to Landry. You know, since he's been gone, whenever Hammond comes into the scene I get a warm feeling inside. It's like seeing a good friend walk into the room that you've sorely missed. A lot of that is due to Don S. Davis' portrayal of Hammond. Not everyone can take a part like that to a level that it really makes an imprint on the story. Hammond brought the SCG and SG-1 along to where they are now. If it hadn't been for his steady guiding hand, none of them would where they are today. He was a great commander and I miss him.

BigGator5
January 6th, 2006, 09:27 PM
I for one, don't read spoilers. I caught this earlier when you mentioned it and now a second time?? Why?? Just use a spoiler tag...it's not that hard. :)

I didn't say anything. All I said was how did the person know Gerek's dead? I grew-up on comics and the first lesson every fan learns is: UNLESS THERE IS A BODY, DO NOT COUNT THE DEAD!

Battousai the Manslayer
January 6th, 2006, 09:28 PM
oops, I'm sorry. :)

starfox
January 6th, 2006, 09:29 PM
I didn't quite feel the plague tension here. It needed more visuals, less exposition. Walter running in and naming cities didn't quite do it for me.

Maybe this is just because I've been so into Atlantis lately and was beginning to forget how much I adore Daniel, but I enjoyed the Dan-Cam banter. Yeah it probably would have made sense in the situation for there to be less of it, but I enjoyed it all the same. Shanks and Browder have pretty good chemistry like that. Besides, it worked for the characters. Daniel's done this often enough to be past the whole showing fear thing, and from what we've seen so far, quipping is just what Cam does. There have been points in the season where I felt he was a little too over the top, but except for the omelette line, I didn't really get that feeling here.


I liked Teal'c in this ep. The scene with Bra'tac on the ship made me smile, and the scene with Gerak at the grave was well shot and well-acted.

I don't have a problem with Lam when she's actively being a doctor, it's the daughter part that bothers me. I think the writers are just making her a bit bratty over-angsty. Whatever happened to silently resenting your parents? The reminders of Landry&Lam's issues need to be shorter and more of a "we'll talk about this later, when we're not at work" type thing.

The Orlin story-line was competently done; not my favorite part but it accomplished what it was meant to, and the closing scene with the puzzle was absolutely perfect.

All in all, not the best episode, but not the worst. I'm looking forward to next week's far more than I was looking forward to this one.

retiredat44
January 6th, 2006, 09:30 PM
Remember all the Star trek episodes where the RESET Button was hit in the last 30 seconds?
:eek:

yowo
January 6th, 2006, 09:33 PM
:sam:

I am so glad to see a better opening, I loved it.
I liked the episode pretty good, but I do miss the old family feeling of the team. It was good to see some emotions coming back though, for example Sam‘s feelings for Orlin. Amanda did a great job in that she really made me feel her anguish over what was happening to the boy.
I like that General Landry and his daughter got a little closer.
Christopher Judge did a good job especially when he stood up to Gerak.
Also it was great to General Hammond. I would love to see more of him.
It was great to see a new episode, but I would like to see more emotions.

Sela
January 6th, 2006, 09:34 PM
I for one, don't read spoilers. I caught this earlier when you mentioned it and now a second time?? Why?? Just use a spoiler tag...it's not that hard. :)
As this is the official episode thread, I was under the impression that we could freely discuss all aspects of the episode here in and anyone coming into this thread would understand that there were possible spoilers. If I am wrong, I ask the moderators (hallowed are they) to delete the offending parts of my posts and extend my humble apologies to those offended.

majorsal
January 6th, 2006, 09:35 PM
If they knew they had the prior incapacited for good and there would be no retaliation, I could see them being cocky enough to joke. But, knowing that there are still more priors that could come? And, how was the banter going to convince the prior to go against the Ori? Orlin and Landry did a better job, and I didn't feel like they should have a microphone and someone doing a "ba-dum-bum" to signal the punch line like I did with Mitchell and Daniel.

exactly. and did the prior even understand what they were saying? i doubt it. {i was waiting for the prior to say (when landry arrived), 'thank the ori someone's come to save me from this meaningless babbling'} :p


rda's droll delivery is soley missing. *for me*




sally :)

Dani347
January 6th, 2006, 09:47 PM
I see your point but I guess I just saw it as a sort of return to the Stargate of old. They were always joking around during life and death situations. Sure it was often completely inappropriate but that's part of what made it fun for me. I'm just curious, but do you think that part of why it felt off to you is because Mitchell is a new character? Cuz I sometimes get a vibe while watching him that it feels a bit out of place just because I'm still trying to find the character.

I don't think it had to do with Mitchell being new. I mean, there was an element of baiting when he was talking to the prior in Avalon 2. But, it didn't stand out that much. I'm not sure why. It could be that I didn't really feel any of the seriousness that the banter was supposed to lighten. I knew it intellectually (big plague, Orlin losing his memories, Landry being infected) but I didn't feel it. So, the banter didn't feel like a relief after the heaviness, because I didn't feel any of the heaviness. And, it seemed that even if there was banter, there also should have been some seriousness from them interspersed with it, and I didn't see that. It was like the writers said, okay, we need comedy in this episode, that'll be the Daniel and Mitchell plot.


In contrast, you had Teal'c doing his teasing of Brat'ac (where does that blasted apostrophe go?) being too old, but that happened along with him being serious. To me, all Mitchell and Daniel did were yuck yucks once the prior showed up. The comedy needed to be relieved by a little drama in their scenes as well.

Darren
January 6th, 2006, 09:51 PM
This episode is like Chinese food: I was very satisfied when it was done, but an hour later I felt like it just wasn't enough.

All in all I'd say it was a very strong episode. Great tie-up to Part 1, good plot development, and some excellent character moments. Lam finally opening up to Landry and telling him that she's beginning to understand why he's always been the way he is -- I thought it was very touching. Orlin and Sam scenes were nice, but not driving the episode really.

Mocking the Prior seemed perfectly in character for Daniel and Cam -- sometimes sarcasm feels very out of place in the show (Jack and Baal in "Zero Hour," Jack in just about every Season Eight scene he did), but this worked for me. After being smacked down over and over by an uber-powerful foe, they'd just won their first victory and enjoyed putting him in his place. (Compare it to their very serious and very measured statements to the Prior in "Beachhead.")

Finally, Teal'c, Bra'tac, and Gerak stole the show. The relative ease with which Gerak was swayed back to the Good Side of the Force was a little disappointing (he was a bigger threat before becoming a Prior, apparently!), but the scene at his father's grave is as good as I've seen Chris Judge perform. Magic. He wasn't luring an enemy into a trap; he was taking an elder brother away from on-lookers to confront him in a very personal way.

There is an issue that keeps this from being an above-and-beyond outstanding episode, and unfortunately it's something that permeates most of the scenes: Telling, not showing. The plague spreading, governments on edge, Orlin suffering, Landry getting the plague, Gerak threatening to bring about his goals by force ... all of these came out almost exclusively through dialogue. I love good dialogue, but in episodes like this its overuse turns an adventure show into a talky.

Three stars, but it could have been four.

Dani347
January 6th, 2006, 09:57 PM
Finally, Teal'c, Bra'tac, and Gerak stole the show. The relative ease with which Gerak was swayed back to the Good Side of the Force was a little disappointing (he was a bigger threat before becoming a Prior, apparently!), but the scene at his father's grave is as good as I've seen Chris Judge perform. Magic. He wasn't luring an enemy into a trap; he was taking an elder brother away from on-lookers to confront him in a very personal way.



I did like that. I always enjoy the Brat'ac and Teal'c interaction, and it was very good acting from CJ. I agree with the view that he was confronting Gerak on a personal level.

AutumnDream
January 6th, 2006, 10:04 PM
This one RAWKED! Now I'm all excited about SG-1 again.

- Mitchell isn't ALLOWED to wear backwards caps. That's O'Neill's thing.
- Mitchell was actually funny for once. Usually he just grates on me.
- Daniel AND Mitchell were great together.
- Lovely drama all around.
- I loved how it seemed like Orlin was getting to the Prior. Too bad it failed!
- The overall story arcs are looking even more interesting. Ori vs. Ancients!
- Teal'c and Brat'ac rock. :D

Cinephilic TV Addict
January 6th, 2006, 10:48 PM
I still hate you nip-pickers! Make it less fun with your logic. Just enjoy the show.

It's very simple - a show can be as illogical as it pleases, if it earns its moments. Speed (the movie with the bomb on the bus) was corny, but it was well done and earned almost all its corny moments (like when the bus jumped a 50 ft. gap). Same thing goes for any Stargate episode - if it's good, it earns its moments (think A Hundred Days, WoO, etc). This ep did not do anything to earn its moments, and was not enjoyable.

Therefore, us nit-pickers have a very definite stance and, regardless, are allowed to express our opinions on this thread. So just enjoy the discussion :cool:

Quinn Mallory
January 6th, 2006, 11:22 PM
Woohoo, Stargate is back! Love the full length opening (just very glad to have it back, maybe I'll start to nitpick it next week).

As for the episode, love the banter between Mitchell and Daniel with the captured Prior. The scenes with Teal'c and Bratac and Garek were also quite good. You've got to feel sorry for Orlin, I'm sure glad that throw that line at the end about how his contribution was necessary to produce the vaccine for the rest of the world. I would have loved to see Sam at least give Orlin a hug at some point (maybe this did happen but I just can't recall this).

Quinn Mallory
January 6th, 2006, 11:26 PM
This episode is like Chinese food: I was very satisfied when it was done, but an hour later I felt like it just wasn't enough.

Finally, Teal'c, Bra'tac, and Gerak stole the show. The relative ease with which Gerak was swayed back to the Good Side of the Force was a little disappointing (he was a bigger threat before becoming a Prior, apparently!), but the scene at his father's grave is as good as I've seen Chris Judge perform. Magic. He wasn't luring an enemy into a trap; he was taking an elder brother away from on-lookers to confront him in a very personal way.



I think we saw Gerak start to question the Prior right before becoming one himself. So the change of heart wasn't instantaneous in my mind.


This episode is like Chinese food: I was very satisfied when it was done, but an hour later I felt like it just wasn't enough.


You need to start getting Chinese food from better restaurants.

Seastallion
January 6th, 2006, 11:56 PM
I loved this episode..! :)

It covered a bit of everything, and was just downright fun. I was very glad to see (Ret.) General :hammond15: . Or at least I think he's retired from the Air Force. Maybe not... Some special placement military folk don't neccessarily have to wear uniform. Or... did he retire, and is acting as "Planetary Security Advisor" to the President (sort of like NSA, only not.), while Jack :jack_new_anime04: is heading up the "Homeworld Security Department".

Nice to actually 'hear' Teal'c :indeed: say for sure that he's with SG-1, rather than just the symbolic acceptance of the SG team patch. I was very glad that Teal'c got some real 'air time'. It was also cool how they took two slightly seperate situations and sort of solved them both simultaneously. Sort of like 'taking out 2 birds with 1 stone'. I did kinda feel sorry for Gerak :prioranime07: ... burning has to be a painful way to go.

I enjoyed the Daniel :danielanime13: and Cam :cameron08: , banter. They remind me of two brothers yucking it up. I thought it was cool that for a change they could tease a Prior without worrying too much about getting wiped across the floor. :p

Poor Orlin..! He sacrifices everything to help... even his own identity. Poor guy couldn't even remember Sam :samanime27: ..! That kinda sucks... one might hope that the 'others' might take pity and help the poor guy out. He deserves it.

Overall... great show..! :D

tsaxlady
January 7th, 2006, 12:02 AM
The pacing on this episode was a little slow for me. But over all it was an good episode. Not great in my opinion but good.

It was nice to see full credits at the beginning.

It was really nice to see Teal'c as something other than wallpaper in an episode. This is one of the best uses of Teal'c in a long time. I especially liked him and Bra'tac.

It was good to see Hammond again and I liked Landry better in this episode.

At this point I'm just looking forward to an episode were the whole team gets to spend more time together instead of being spread out in different places.

Ksenia
January 7th, 2006, 01:57 AM
Pros:
Last Sam/Orlin scene.
The international board panel. I hope we see or hear more of it in the future, I'm interested in what the rest of the world thinks of the SG program.
Christopher Judge's acting - phenomenal.
Mitchell/Daniel scenes, and with the Prior. Loved the chemistry/banter between the two.
The progression of the virus info. I found all that quite interesting.
Hammond. Woot.
The Orlin-Prior scene. You could see Orlin really starting to struggle there.
Gerak-Teal'c scene on the planet. Awesome.
Gerak's arc.
Music during the Gerak-Teal'c planet scene.
Carolyn-Landry scene - it was touching, I liked their acting in it.
Epilogue briefing room scene - good to hear Orlin contributed to the solution; also like hearing a bit more abotu the ancients.

Cons:
First couple Sam/Orlin scenes. Dull. I never really took to young Orlin (I loved older Orlin, and imagine I had some prejudice going into it).
About two thirds through, we went from Orlin to Landry to Teal'c scenes. All good and interesting in their own right, but overall a bit slow and chatty - bad pacing there. I was itching to get back to Mithcell and the prior.
Carolyn-Landry scene - it felt forced and shoved in to the episode. I wish that a scene like this could have appeared with more tie-in scenes somehow.

Overall - enjoyable! I've already watched it a second time through. A bit too chatty, but some fantastic acting in this one, some good comedic moments. Through the first half the season I knew Landry/Mitchell were there, but they didn't quite feel like SG1 yet. This episode more or less cemented them into the show for me - it felt natural, like they belonged there. Landry's control of things brought him in, and I think the Mitchell/Daniel banter made it feel like he was accepted into the team.

In fact, I'd really like to see a team episode soon - all four going off world together or such, and sticking it out together for a good part of the episode. I suppose we'll see what next week brings.

Agent_Dark
January 7th, 2006, 02:31 AM
Hmm, I dunno about this one. It just didn't click entirely with me.

On the Mitchell, Daniel and Prior scene - I thought it was odd. Mitchell's one-liners were ok, but the really odd thing about it was Daniel's part in it. As in the jokes that Daniel was making back. I much prefer the serious Daniel as opposed to the new one. And why are they trying to recreate the Jack and Daniel banter with Mitchell and Daniel? In fact, is the only dynamic between the two male leads that the writers can do, comedic? Sheppard and McKay fit the bill here too...
Also it was a dissapointment to see Daniel have basically nothing to do this episode (all though, at least it wasnt an overload on Daniel like some of the earlier episodes). The archeologist/linguist got reduced to field tech operator...

... but on the plus side we got plenty of juicy Teal'c scenes. They were the highlights of the episode for me. It was great to see Teal'c/CJ get something juicy to do and kick arse at it. CJ is probably the most underated actor on the shows ;) More Teal'c in the future please, and looks like we'll be getting it in Stronghold :D

The Landry stuff... Why, why, why did he go off-world? That makes no sense to me at all. He's managing a crisis back on Earth, yet he finds time to take a nice little stroll through a forest to have a few words with a Prior. And get himself infected with the disease (btw, how did the Prior manage to get around the anti-prior device?). And the the Landry/Lam stuff... For a moment I was thinking 'finally, some good emotional stuff between the two', but at the end Lam just seemed petty. Which is unfortunate, because I really like everything else about the character. I dont see why they felt the need for Lam to have an arc like this with Landry. Why couldn't she just be there, doing her job (much like how Janet was written)?
The International Committee scene was good though. Yay for Colonel Chekov :D It will be nice if we get to see some more of that in the future.
Hammond - yay! Now only if they had of had some better scenes for him. The one in Landry's office seemed out of place, an excuse for more exposition. Hammond deserves more than that :( Though the scene in the breifing room was good, with Sam and Daniel.

The Sam and Orlin stuff was ok overall. The first couple of scenes seemed abit out of place (possibly could have had them both in one). But the later ones were good, especially the closing scene. Poor Orlin :(


So overall I'd probably rate this episode an average, maybe slightly below. Not as good as part 1 anyway. Next week, Collateral Damage and some Mitchell backstory. Looking forward to it :)

mindfire
January 7th, 2006, 03:58 AM
This was a good episode, I've seen better but it was still good.

leaper
January 7th, 2006, 04:34 AM
I enjoyed this episode, reminded me of why I have (in the past) looked forward to Stargate, I can't say it was it was the "best", but I want to know how the Ori will react to the events in this episode. In other words, it makes me look forward to the next episode, something thats kinda been missing...

shockwave
January 7th, 2006, 05:11 AM
A good episode, nice to see hammond again

cindyz
January 7th, 2006, 06:06 AM
Good to hear everyone's comments. I loved the opening credits! As far as the episode...well, it was fair. good to see them let Ben have some more screen time and lines! Chris Judge's acting was Fantastic! The boy who played Orlin...was flat, unemotional. and I didn't like the music when Sam and him were on screen. flaky! And finally, as a nurse, who works in real life catastrophic situations...never a good time to bash anyone facing a terminal illnes, like Lam did to her father, Landry! What a poor, pathetic person Dr. Lam is! self centered (IMHO) but as far as Lexa Doig is concerned, she played her part very well. acting like the spoiled brat! and it is always great to have Hammond come back to steal scenes. season 9, could get better, but of course I will continue to watch...Atlantis is stealing my heart now.....

ping-pong
January 7th, 2006, 06:07 AM
Finally, Teal'c, Bra'tac, and Gerak stole the show. The relative ease with which Gerak was swayed back to the Good Side of the Force was a little disappointing (he was a bigger threat before becoming a Prior, apparently!), but the scene at his father's grave is as good as I've seen Chris Judge perform. Magic. He wasn't luring an enemy into a trap; he was taking an elder brother away from on-lookers to confront him in a very personal way.


The Teal'c, Bra'tac and Gerak trio was a pleasantly surpising treat. I actually warmed up to Gerak at the conclusion of Fourth Horseman Pt 1. He was commanded by the Ori to kill the Rebel Jaffa who didn't accept Origin. Gerak not only was hesitant; but he warned Teal'c and Bra'tac and didn't carry out the Ori's orders. So I wouldn't call Gerak's switch a sudden change of heart. When Teal'c took Gerak to his father's grave and reminded him of the Jaffa's quest from freedom and how his own father died for that cause before the Jaffa rebellion even began. That's when Gerak knew what he had to do.

What I love about the Teal'c and Gerak scene was that in previous episodes, it was obvious that they were butting heads and Teal'c didn't care for Gerak. But in this episode, Teal'c put aside his harsh feelings for Gerak and for once didn't see him as an enemy but saw Gerak as an elderly man who only wanted freedom and enlightenment for his Jaffa brothers--even though he was going about it the wrong way (the Ori). I loved how Teal'c reasoned with him and showed compassion and empathy to Gerak. Chris Judge really acted his socks off in this episode. I love the scene between Teal'c and Bra'tac. The father/son friendship and mutual respect as warrior brothers really showed between them. Excellent!!

Seshat
January 7th, 2006, 06:32 AM
I see your point but I guess I just saw it as a sort of return to the Stargate of old. They were always joking around during life and death situations. Sure it was often completely inappropriate but that's part of what made it fun for me. I'm just curious, but do you think that part of why it felt off to you is because Mitchell is a new character? Cuz I sometimes get a vibe while watching him that it feels a bit out of place just because I'm still trying to find the character.
I LIKE the characters but the banter and jokes this ep mostly seem to hit just short of the mark for me. (Instead of "witty" I see "jokey".) I have been wondering about this reaction as well, and come to the conclusion that it is the pacing and perhaps the editing that is just a bit off...?

I agree with what Dani347 said, too. I didn't get any real sense of urgency or any real danger for any of the main characters. Maybe because I know who has long-term contracts. :rolleyes: And I have purposefully stayed away from reading spoilers so I could regain some sense of surprise at the plot.

However, this helped make Hammond's appearance a surprise - yay! :hammond06: And Gerak's immolation scene WAS exciting. :-D

TomSluder
January 7th, 2006, 06:42 AM
Regarding Hammond:

I'm guessing he's retired as an Air Force general since he no longer wears the uniform. Even if he did retire he is still entitled to be addressed by rank (i.e. General Hammond). Somebody asked if perhaps he was Vice President, but I'm guessing no since he would then be addressed "Mr Vice President" and not "General Hammond".

My guess as to what his position is now? Secretary of Homeworld Security.

-Tom

MediaSavant
January 7th, 2006, 06:43 AM
I agree with what Dani347 said, too. I didn't get any real sense of urgency or any real danger for any of the main characters.

It was missing a sense of urgency, a sense of drama. I watch Battlestar Galactica right afterwards and I was on the edge of my seat. That show makes you *feel* the desperation of the characters and the danger they are in.

Stargate was more like "ho hum, thousands of people are dying, let's make some jokes. <wink wink>".

It's really escapist TV and "scifi lite".

I would say I was disappointed if it weren't for the fact that I didn't allow my self to build up any expectations to be disappointed against.

ellenrose
January 7th, 2006, 06:50 AM
And finally, as a nurse, who works in real life catastrophic situations...never a good time to bash anyone facing a terminal illnes, like Lam did to her father, Landry! What a poor, pathetic person Dr. Lam is! self centered (IMHO) but as far as Lexa Doig is concerned, she played her part very well. acting like the spoiled brat!

cindyz As someone who works in the business too, I agree about bashing someone with a terminal illness - but I like that they did that. Not ideal but just part of the reality of many troubled relationships. Lam is far from perfect and not always as professional as others would be. I like the way she was only able to have a heart to heart with Dad at the last moments ( she thought ) of his life through a glass screen. Very telling - and only from a distance just like their entire relationship. I liked that. Lam is one tough cookie - I have met MDs just like this in my career. They can be good to patients but not family.


The boy who played Orlin...was flat, unemotional. and I didn't like the music when Sam and him were on screen. flaky!

Agreed - in some of those scenes he should have been more intense or emote something more than exhaustion. I assume the director decided to have him play it this way for a reason. It did not work for me. But I do not recall the adult Orlin's manner - was he that flat at times? Was this the writer/directors' idea of degenerative disease and it's effect on emotion? Sort of like a misguided Parkinson's syndrome?

Nice banter between Cam, Daniel and the Prior. Love the Sodan scenes and the elegant Tony Todd ( Haikon) and Jolan. I would have liked the other brother Volnek to be in the ep - but I think I saw the actor on Without a Trace around the time he may have been needed for this ep.

Teal'c had lots to do and Chris Judge and Tony Amendola were very good letting us see the developing politics of the Jaffa story. Teal'c used a very effective strategy to convince Gerak of the error of his ways. Nice parallel with the method used by the rest of SG1 at the Sodan village. Wonder why persuasion worked for Teal'c - or did I miss something?

As often happens on TV they tried to cover too much in 45 minutes. Might have been good to have a three parter and up the emotional tone a bit.

In the end the epidemic only killed 3000 worldwide - serious but not so bad really. I like the parallels to the current worries about avian flu and a possible future global flupandemic. Lucky the world of SG1 can find a vaccine so easily. Lam and her team worked quickly.

FoolishPleasure
January 7th, 2006, 07:27 AM
This episode is like Chinese food: I was very satisfied when it was done, but an hour later I felt like it just wasn't enough.

I still respect it in the morning. ;) It was a better episode than SGA, which followed.


Finally, Teal'c, Bra'tac, and Gerak stole the show.

In fact, this morning I feel even stronger about these three characters. Excellent writing and performances!


There is an issue that keeps this from being an above-and-beyond outstanding episode, and unfortunately it's something that permeates most of the scenes: Telling, not showing. The plague spreading, governments on edge,

I get the feeling the talking about the plague instead of showing more outside scenes had more to do with budget restraints than writing problems. The International Committee scene tried to convey what was going on, and I think they did a good job.

I give the episode an A-. The A+++ went to BSG later in the night.

ToasterOnFire
January 7th, 2006, 07:35 AM
Well, if you don't like someone else's opinion so much, use the ignore feature. It's the little "Buddy / Ignore Lists" link on your controls. :rolleyes:


This episode is like Chinese food: I was very satisfied when it was done, but an hour later I felt like it just wasn't enough.
Aha! Now we know what the SG stands for in MSG! :D

*steals Cam's traveling drum set for a dum-dum-CHING!*

lelaidd
January 7th, 2006, 07:48 AM
This was a good episode, not th best I ever saw but a good one. What I really liked is when Garek said I die free and he healed the the people around him. I really liked it! :) :)

ShardsofGlass
January 7th, 2006, 07:57 AM
The best part of the episode were the scenes with Daniel and Mitchell. They really cracked me up and I actually laughed out loud when they looked at the sky to see if the Ori were watching them. For a change I thought Mitchell had a lot to do and I enjoyed seeing him so clearly in charge on the planet. I liked all of his lines. The part about making an omelet was good because I thought it showed that Mitchell likes to cook and bake pies. LOL

The res of the ep was okay. Teal'c was great and the Jaffa stuff wasn't too bad. I hated the Orlin and Sam scenes, though. They felt repetitious and Sam seemed overly concerned about Orlin's health when the fate of the whole planet was hanging in the balance.

I liked the scene where Landry and Orlin came to the planet to talk to the prior and liked the way they reminded him (and us) that he had a different life. I also liked the way Teal'c did the same with Gerak.

The plague was completely wasted. There was no tension from that at all, and I wish they had just skipped those scenes to show us a little more of the Sodan. For instance, after they confront the prior, they don't say another word?

Droops
January 7th, 2006, 07:57 AM
One other thing about this episode was the twist of Orlin and Gerek. I fully expected Orlin to pull out the cure in the end, probably with Sam being smarter than Orlin gave her credit for and making some fantastic discovery that saves the day.

BUT! We didn't get that! Orlin failed to do it on his own. It took too long and his mind was too far gone. I wasn't expecting that. It made Gerek's change all the more compelling.

Cinephilic TV Addict
January 7th, 2006, 08:04 AM
When has Stargate, ever been logical? I mean, jumping from the moive to the show, there is a lot to nit-pick about that!!

That's my point - it doesn't have to be logical. An episode could have Teal'c's voice dubbed by a poodle playing piano for all I care, as long as the episode works. If the beginning parts of an episode are bad, then the middle parts are going to be harder to swallow if they are corny. The same goes for the middle to end.

My point with the movie Speed was that, if the beginning had been awful, many people would have just left the theater when they jumped the 50 ft. gap. But almost the entire movie had been good so far, so we smiled/laughed/shrugged it off when the bus made its leap. It earned its moment.

The beginning of the fourth horseman, IMO, was awful in pretty much every aspect (although I'm glad the theme song is back). Therefore, later scenes (except for the two above that I said I liked) made me cringe even more because it was bad compiling on worse. I can't say an episode is good if I only enjoyed five out of forty-some minutes.

But I keep watching for 2 reasons - 1) I'm invested in the characters and have to know how it ends up for them, and 2) Usually, when SG-1 is good, it's GREAT (kellog's reference not intended).

James_the_Wraith_Sympathiser
January 7th, 2006, 08:08 AM
Haha, I read the first page of replies and that was enough. Some people just over analyse things too much. I really liked the episode, there were a lot of good moments...especially the interaction between Daniel and Cameron after the Prior got captured.

It reminds me of when Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons says "Rest assured, I was on the internet within moments registering my disgust with the rest of the world". I sometimes wonder why, if people are going to analyse the show so much, why bother watching at all? you'll get hardly any entertainment from watching the show if you sit there thinking of reasons why it is good or not, instead of just enjoying the show for what it is.

Just my 2c. I'm gonna stop posting in these 'episode' forums...too many people that would claim to be fans just criticising the show is pointless.

I hope the rest of the season was as good as that episode.

Skydiver
January 7th, 2006, 08:12 AM
the show was pretty middle of the road. it had its good points, cam and daniel for example. thier quippage did get a bit tiresome after a bit, but not overly so.

the prior speak is, well dull and pedantic by nature. i found myself rolling my eyes more than once (although csm's white mascara was sorta cool...but he did look like he'd got caught in a talcum powder storm :) )

sam and orlin was....eh. necessary for the plot and to break things up. but i do agree that the tea'c bits did steal the show. chris can ramp up the drama when he applies himself.

i agree that we had a little too much of 'ooh, look the world is ending' but never really saw it. course that's the problem wtih trying to have a global effect on a tv show budget

my other main quibble was lam and landry's big confession scene. dang, she couldn't have put on a haz mat suit and talked to him personally? had to blurt her confession out in front of hte whole room???? y eah, that's touching.

and i didn't care for orlin's 'fate'. we knew that the writers wouldn't have the cajones to kill him, but shutting him up in a care facility??? at his 'age'???? dude, that's cruel! if he'd been the grown orlin, sure, but a kid?

they couldn't have shifted him off to the land of light or something? somewhere a bit more nurturing than the big house with the men in white coats?

over all, not the best, not the worst. middle of the road.

but, like my friends were saying, stargate is to battle star what Hersheys is to Godiva or McDonald's is to a gourmet restaurant. It's ok, but nothing thrilling or overly memorable.

happyclappy
January 7th, 2006, 08:14 AM
has anyone realised that when Garek (excuse the spelling) walks through the SGC gate at th end of the episode he is wearing trainers (i dont know what americans call them) instead of 'prior boots'.

costume depatment screwed up again....

Skydiver
January 7th, 2006, 08:15 AM
Again, the topic of this thread is the epsisode. It is NOT the correctness or wrongness of other folks' opinions. Nor is it whether or not they should be allowed to express those opinions.

Off topic posts have been and will be deleted. If you see an off topic post, please don't respond to it. Leave it be and give us mods less to clean up :)

Formerhost
January 7th, 2006, 08:24 AM
Haha, I read the first page of replies and that was enough. Some people just over analyse things too much. I really liked the episode, there were a lot of good moments...especially the interaction between Daniel and Cameron after the Prior got captured.

It reminds me of when Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons says "Rest assured, I was on the internet within moments registering my disgust with the rest of the world". I sometimes wonder why, if people are going to analyse the show so much, why bother watching at all? you'll get hardly any entertainment from watching the show if you sit there thinking of reasons why it is good or not, instead of just enjoying the show for what it is.

Just my 2c. I'm gonna stop posting in these 'episode' forums...too many people that would claim to be fans just criticising the show is pointless.

I hope the rest of the season was as good as that episode.

I like your POV :)

Daniel :daniel: and Mitchell :cameron: interaction was great, I loved it too. Gerak might have been a pain in the a** in the previous episodes, but I'm going to miss him a little bit.
Teal'c definitely should change hairdresser.
Sam and Orlin - quite OK, but the way he was speaking actually put me asleep.

Overall, episode OK.

NotAscended
January 7th, 2006, 08:32 AM
- Mitchell isn't ALLOWED to wear backwards caps. That's O'Neill's thing.


Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that! I fear it makes him look like he's twelve years old.

Also, was it my imagination, but were Daniel's glasses too small for him? In the scene where he and Mitchell are lobbing one-liners at the Prior, I kept noticing that the earpieces didn't fit properly. I kept thinking they would fall off at the slightest nudge. (Long time glasses wearer here.) :)

AutumnDream
January 7th, 2006, 08:37 AM
Geez. Here I'm thinking this was up there with the best, and some people are saying it's "OK". Maybe it's just because I don't expect as much from Stargate as I do Atlantis or BSG, or because I recognize Stargate isn't the constant thrill ride that BSG is, but I know how to take a SG episode for what it is and enjoy it. Hopefully everyone else can, too. :p

Johnquixote
January 7th, 2006, 09:08 AM
My argument on the Mitchell/Daniel/Prior banter.

The priors talk strong and use their crazy lines to put you off, to make you understand to the Ori are powerful.
But Mitchell and Daniel were trying to convert the Prior to our side. So IMO they were rubbing in that he had lost his powers. It seemed completely necessary. Not like they were trying to amuse themselves, but make the Prior feel like the Ori had abandoned him.
IMO it worked up until somehow he changed his mental frequency or the device faltered, and you could tell he felt it because his lines after being weakened held less presence. But when he said the "Ori whispered in their ears" bit he had a very dominant presence.
But Mitchell/Daniel's banter, as well as Landry/Orlin's family talk, was to make him understand that the Ori are not righteous, that they are not gods. I think it would have worked if he had not bypassed the sound device.

Dani347
January 7th, 2006, 09:08 AM
i agree that we had a little too much of 'ooh, look the world is ending' but never really saw it. course that's the problem wtih trying to have a global effect on a tv show budget




I'm thinking that's why Landry got sick, too personalize it, but it fell flat. I've speculated a few reasons why. 1. Landry seemed sick, but not that sick. Again, I knew he had this horrible virus with no cure, but I didn't feel it.
2. Landry is new. I'm not that emotionally invested in him as Daniel, Sam, or Teal'c. Although, I don't think that would necessarily be a factor. I mean, I think they could have still made me feel something. 3. Lam was not a good choice to be there. Her attitude just doesn't work with the emotional stuff.

I think a way to make the plague hit home would have been to have the majority of the SGC infected. Make it hit closer to home, and make them act like it was hitting close to home. And, slap Lam.



Johnquixote

My argument on the Mitchell/Daniel/Prior banter.

The priors talk strong and use their crazy lines to put you off, to make you understand to the Ori are powerful.
But Mitchell and Daniel were trying to convert the Prior to our side. So IMO they were rubbing in that he had lost his powers. It seemed completely necessary. Not like they were trying to amuse themselves, but make the Prior feel like the Ori had abandoned him.
IMO it worked up until somehow he changed his mental frequency or the device faltered, and you could tell he felt it because his lines after being weakened held less presence. But when he said the "Ori whispered in their ears" bit he had a very dominant presence.
But Mitchell/Daniel's banter, as well as Landry/Orlin's family talk, was to make him understand that the Ori are not righteous, that they are not gods. I think it would have worked if he had not bypassed the sound device.

That all makes sense as a reason why (but I still don't agree with the tactic. The only reason the prior wavered was because it was in the script -which, yeah, is why they do anything, but they can usually make me suspend disbelief) but it was like I too aware of the writers. I felt like I was in a storyboard meeting, with live action visuals. TPTB: Okay, this is what we'll do to show them getting through to the prior. And, also, that will give us some light moments for the episode. Also, lets put some tinkly music in the Sam and Orlin scenes in order to show that Sam is feeling sad about him. And, Landry is feeling sad that he might die just when he's starting to get past the problems with his daughter, so don't forget that tear on his cheek. I felt like I ordered sausage, and instead of giving me a sausage, someone started making it in front of me and kept serving me bites as they went along.

And hows that for a weird way to end a post?

cindyz
January 7th, 2006, 09:16 AM
cindyz As someone who works in the business too, I agree about bashing someone with a terminal illness - but I like that they did that. Not ideal but just part of the reality of many troubled relationships. Lam is far from perfect and not always as professional as others would be. I like the way she was only able to have a heart to heart with Dad at the last moments ( she thought ) of his life through a glass screen. Very telling - and only from a distance just like their entire relationship. I liked that. Lam is one tough cookie - I have met MDs just like this in my career. They can be good to patients but not family.


agreed, indeed! I too have met many less than desirable doc's with no personal edit functions...or bedside manner. I like the way the writers wrote this scene...it was kind of embarrassing for general Landry to get the brunt of her feelings in front of the other sick patients. It may have been more practical and certainly more professional if Lam had put on the containment suit to whisper these sweet nothings in her father's ear. It's as if they (the writers) purposefully write her character in a way that portrays her as uncompassionate and self centered, albiet intelligent physician. Dr. Lam is clearly not ready to have anything more than a professional relationship with her father at this time. Maybe her treatment of him will cause him to just give her what she seems to want...less of him as a father figure in her life. You can't help General Landry for trying to make up for past mistakes...and while it would be nice to see them blend and love each other...I think the tension between them is a good driving point for the show. Again, wonderfully portrayed by the lovely and talented Lexa Doig!

MarshAngel
January 7th, 2006, 09:17 AM
Geez. Here I'm thinking this was up there with the best, and some people are saying it's "OK". Maybe it's just because I don't expect as much from Stargate as I do Atlantis or BSG, or because I recognize Stargate isn't the constant thrill ride that BSG is, but I know how to take a SG episode for what it is and enjoy it. Hopefully everyone else can, too. :p

I agree. I went into this without expecting anything more than an ordinary episode and given the general tone of what many have said, perhaps even lowered expectations. And as a result I was actually Ok with it. The only things that stuck out was Daniel's handkerchief on his head, which bugged me for some reason and the joking with the prior which seemed a bit out of place given the situation. Everything else made for a decent TV watching experience.

I think sometimes people love the show so much that they're really invested in the way everything's presented. But sometimes it's not perfect; sometimes it's just OK. But it can be enjoyed if you let go of your expectations.

If I watch it a second time, maybe then I'll pay more attention to its failings.

ancientalliance
January 7th, 2006, 09:19 AM
Yep, I'm definitely watching this puppy again later - I taped it.:)

Yes... The VCR is your friend and mine and anybody else who liked this ep even maybe the ones who didn't, but taped it just for the sake of taping it...


well...


you get the picture...:) ;)

Domesticated Equine
January 7th, 2006, 10:07 AM
This was really, really bad. The entire world was in danger, but there was basically no tension whatsoever. There was no urgency either, the scenes just dragged on and on. As for emotion -- there were plenty of scenes with sad music, wooden acting and unrealistic dialog but that wasn't good enough for me. The worst scenes were the ones with "Orlin", the actor was absolutely dreadful and destroyed any suspension of disbelief I might have had.

Skydiver
January 7th, 2006, 10:08 AM
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I think a way to make the plague hit home would have been to have the majority of the SGC infected. Make it hit closer to home, and make them act like it was hitting close to home. And, slap Lam.



mahybe if they'd 'homaged' the gone with the wind depot scene, the one where the camera pulls back and you see body after body after body after body. shown beds full of the sick, or a truck loading up dozens of body bags, something to SHOW us that folks were dying by the handfull

keshou
January 7th, 2006, 10:09 AM
So so episode, but not that compelling. Maybe it just felt flat for me because I watched the late showing, just after seeing a riveting episode of BSG.

I agree with others that I never really felt the tension at the possiblity of Earth begin wiped out by the Prior plague. Walter running in with updates: "Oh, it's spread to Canada and Mexico"..... "Oh, they've shut down all the airports in Europe".... didn't cut it. I also didn't feel any real concern for Landry since I haven't bonded with him as a character. It might have been more effective to have Hammond actually get the virus. That's someone we already care about and might have hit home a little more.

Have to agree that Lam's deathbed "chat" with Landry seemed a little off. Kind of like "sorry you're dying, but at least I'm managing to work out some of my issues....thanks dad!"

Sam and Orlin interaction was kind of boring, I thought. Mainly consisting of Sam coming in, concerned about Orlin losing his brain and Orlin saying "no, Sam, I must lose my brain, now go away". The ending was kind of sad. They should have sent Orlin to Merrin's planet - at least he would have had other kids like him to play with.

I liked the Sodan...that they figured out about the Ori and were ready to help. The Daniel/Mitchell banter was amusing at times but it also seemed a little forced and out of place. The pie crust line was funny though. :)Couldn't figure out how CSM Prior got his powers back at the end - did the device stop working? Oh and shallow comment but I can't stand Daniel's bandana now. Looked okay when he was younger and in scenes where he's doing his archeology thing but when he's hanging out with all the military guys it makes him look like a doofus.

The best part of the episode was Teal'c, Bra'tac and Gerak. Thought that was well done - CJ rocked. :)

keshou
January 7th, 2006, 10:12 AM
mahybe if they'd 'homaged' the gone with the wind depot scene, the one where the camera pulls back and you see body after body after body after body. shown beds full of the sick, or a truck loading up dozens of body bags, something to SHOW us that folks were dying by the handfull
That might have helped.

I keep thinking of that episode of 24 a couple of seasons ago when the virus got loose. They had all those people locked up in that hotel and the agent had to shoot a man who tried to leave. You saw the affects of the virus and it became very personal, both for the people who had the disease and those who tried to contain it.

entil2001
January 7th, 2006, 10:15 AM
When the return of “SG-1” came on my radar (read: my TiVo recording list), I wondered whether or not the series would still have the momentum that it gained in the first half of the season. After all, this is the first time that the series is coming back with Mitchell as an established member of the cast; the season premiere acknowledged his “outsider” status. Would his presence be distracting, or would it feel completely natural?

“Completely” may not be the word for it, but I was surprised at how it felt right for Mitchell to be there. It wasn’t an intrusion, that’s for sure. Granted, my personal disposition towards Browder as an actor may have something to do with that, but he wasn’t as jarring a presence as, say, Landry. Maybe it’s the hair, but Landry was driving me nuts in this episode.

In retrospect, it probably had something to do with the visit from Hammond. Hammond looms very large in terms of the series’ continuity; in a number of ways, his departure was more jarring than O’Neill’s exit. Landry stands on his own well enough, but Bridges is no Don Davis. It’s a minor point, but if Hammond had been the one infected with the plague, it might have been a more anxious moment. (And it would have avoided that awkward scene between Landry and Lam, which simply didn’t work.)

In terms of the plot, this is one of those instances where the severity of the first half simply cannot be fully realized in the second half. The most important points are touched upon in terms of the plague, especially the difficulties raised with the international oversight committee (which better factor into the second half of the season), but only a few thousand killed? Even with the vaccine (which is not the same as a cure, damn it), the death toll should have been in the hundreds of thousands at the very least and probably in the millions. But how practical would that have been?

There’s also the problem of Orlin. Thankfully, the writers killed him, because that child actor was painful to watch. Sure, the producers were going for the cheap seats with a dying kid who sacrifices himself to save humanity, but that kind of role requires a compelling actor who gets the audience to care. I didn’t care. And so he became little more than a source of exposition for me, which is non-ideal.

I also didn’t buy the simplicity of the conversion of Gerak. Gerak as a serious threat to the freedom of the Jaffa Nation was an interesting idea that really should have been explored longer. Gerak throws off the control of the Ori a bit too quickly, and so his death becomes a little too convenient and predictable. More importantly, with Bra’tac as a leader, will Teal’c have any reason to slip into Preacher Mode? In lieu of Badass Mode, that’s when Teal’c as a character is at his best.

Even so, the episode had its moments. Teal’c had some compelling moments. Mitchell’s showdown with the Cigarette-Smoking Prior was fun (it was good to see William B. Davis again!). The Sodan are always fun, since Tony Todd makes almost anything better, and it gave Mitchell and Daniel more interaction. I wasn’t thrilled with Carter’s part of the episode, though, and I can only hope that she gets a good subplot soon. With the mid-season event out of the way and the point of the Ori conversion revealed, the season can continue with its usual focus on character.

jckfan55
January 7th, 2006, 10:17 AM
I've only skimmed the posts, so I'll probably repeat what others have said. Still, it's what we do, right? :) It was a busy episode--like they were trying to cover a lot of territory. I'm sorry, but Lam's little epiphany seemed a bit overdue and I didn't feel any sympathy for her. I agree with those who said Daniel and Mitchell were a bit too flip in the Prior scenes. On the other hand, maybe RDA could have pulled off the "flipness covering concern" about situation. Perhaps the writers & TPTB think they can just feed lines to anyone and they will come off the same way as if from Jack. I suspect more and more that RDA's contributions had been underestimated. Good Teal'c scenes.

Dani347
January 7th, 2006, 10:17 AM
mahybe if they'd 'homaged' the gone with the wind depot scene, the one where the camera pulls back and you see body after body after body after body. shown beds full of the sick, or a truck loading up dozens of body bags, something to SHOW us that folks were dying by the handfull



Yeah, I think that would have been a good way of doing it.

keshou:

Couldn't figure out how CSM Prior got his powers back at the end - did the device stop working? Oh and shallow comment but I can't stand Daniel's bandana now.

1. I figured the Ori gave him his powers back. If that's so, I have no explanation for why they waited, or why they let the powers be zapped in the first place, but that's what I thought. 2. I've always hated that bandana. Either keep his head uncovered, or bring the boonie out of storage.

BigGator5
January 7th, 2006, 10:18 AM
<snip>

I love this episode!! They didn't totally kill off Orlin, but I feel so bad about him. I felt the tension of Earth being wiped out. I had thought Cigarette-Smoking Proir was going to help Earth and he was killed. I was then left, "OMG!! How do we save Earth now??"

Battousai the Manslayer
January 7th, 2006, 10:21 AM
It was missing a sense of urgency, a sense of drama. I watch Battlestar Galactica right afterwards and I was on the edge of my seat. That show makes you *feel* the desperation of the characters and the danger they are in.

Stargate was more like "ho hum, thousands of people are dying, let's make some jokes. <wink wink>".

It's really escapist TV and "scifi lite".Even though I fought it for quite awhile, I think it's pretty much undeniable that Battlestar Galactica has clearly become the best show for now. I wouldn'tve said that a season ago-
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On another topic, I've seen Lexa be great on Andromeda AND the 4400. I'm blaming her rough start on the writers and Beau-

NakedJehutyV2
January 7th, 2006, 10:22 AM
so orlin doesn't find a cure? what happens to him?

Dani347
January 7th, 2006, 10:29 AM
This was really, really bad. The entire world was in danger, but there was basically no tension whatsoever. There was no urgency either, the scenes just dragged on and on. As for emotion -- there were plenty of scenes with sad music, wooden acting and unrealistic dialog but that wasn't good enough for me. The worst scenes were the ones with "Orlin", the actor was absolutely dreadful and destroyed any suspension of disbelief I might have had.

Ah, the acting. I'm not sure what it was. I don't think it was wooden (from my perspective) but it was overly low key. I never got the feeling that the characters cared that there was this plague that could wipe out the planet. It was more like the problem was some minor thing. But, funny, I actually found Orlin to be pretty good. The music got in the way (I don't want to be manipulated so blatantly), and my heartstrings didn't get tugged, but I did feel that he felt frustrated and determined and sick.

Battousai the Manslayer
January 7th, 2006, 10:32 AM
But, funny, I actually found Orlin to be pretty good. The music got in the way (I don't want to be manipulated so blatantly), and my heartstrings didn't get tugged, but I did feel that he felt frustrated and determined and sick.I have to admit, I was laughing when he spilled the vial on the floor and got yelled at by one of the scientists. Only to walk right out of the quarantine area...I thought he would spread disease around or something.

Osiris-RA
January 7th, 2006, 10:33 AM
So, the big episode. I did my usual little commentary thing, just for the heck of it. Wasn't as satisfying though. The episode moved a bit too slow for my taste, especially when I watched SGA and BSG afterwards. You can always tell when more effort is being put into one show than another when they're related to each other. It's like how one twin is fatter or stronger or taller than another. Same with Lost and Alias. Alias goes down the television show sink while Lost goes on strong. SG1 oozes by while SGA never ceases to impress. And BSG rocks them ALL. So, anyway, a few things worthy of mention:

1. Teal'c. While a new hairdo is like a new LJ layout, it's always in order to symbolize growth, maturity and a new beginning....exactly how much gel is ON that Nat King Cole conk??

2. The telekenisis thing...is getting a wee bit old...

3. Global Pandemic...:ronananime17:

4. That new opener. While the music is back - :weiranime17: that gate is a freakin' video game! What happened to the wonderful prop gate?? And the music was a bit low on the bass. The power is gone...

5. Mitchell's line: "You mean kill them." No, he meant give them gifts of Tylenol and Benadryl - Of COURSE he meant kill them! Don't kick the dead horse, buddy boy!

6. Sam uses a Dell?? Awesome! Was that an XPS??

7. How many times was the word 'Brain' used during that whole scene? Brain this, brain that, Calvin is more scientific when he's explaining his Transmogrifier.

8. I think it's so cute how mini-Orlin can call Carter "stupid" so subtly.:lol:

9. Too. Many. Commercials.

10. I notice that although Mini-Orlin's memory is slipping like grains of sand through his fingers, he has plenty of time to talk. Quit yappin' and start typin' boy!

11. CSM!!...you looked better when there were cigarettes sticking out of you...

12. HAMMOND!! MY BEAUTIFUL BALD LEADER!!!:hammond15: :hammond06:

13. Whats with the barrage of in-crisis wit and metaphors? The Daniel Jackson and Cam Mitchell Comedy team everybody! Give 'em a hand! Buff'n Stuff and striving to make you laugh! :rolleyes:

14. Averha-what?

15. DADDY! - I mean..Hammond! :o :D That scene almost made me cry. Stop plucking my beating heart out of my chest PTB!!!! Hammond!! Sam!! Danny! T!! Ja - ...:(:(:(

16. Lam's going to talk about this NOW in front of a gazillion other people? What is this, Oprah?

17. Oooh, spontaneous combustion...:cool:

18. It's a job for Mulder and Scully! The mission to discover the source behind a mysterious plague thatlasted for a grueling hour! In our time anyway...X-Files revival anyone? :D

19. Another depressing moment. I think it could have been pulled off better. And reeks of character sabotage. Poor little Orlin. Reduced to playing puzzles with some kind blonde stranger. Where is he, a home? :confused: Anyway...could have been written a little better. Something like when little Cassandra was on the verge of blowing up. Another touching moment. This was too short to really be touching, just sorta sad and depressing. *sigh*

Cinephilic TV Addict
January 7th, 2006, 10:54 AM
The Orlin/Sam scenes, save for the very last one, were awful. I remember that the original Orlin spoke in a 'dead-pan' style, but it didn't work then, and having the kid speak like that didn't work now (it's like Bud York's performance in "Harold and Maude"). Each scene was about exactly what it was about - there was no subtext. Good TV says things once - each orlin/sam scene simple recapped that orlin was fading and Sam felt helpless - it was written to be a direct tear-jerker, but completely failed because it offered no character development, just sappy dialouge with no meaning underneath it. terrible.

Teal'c's first half of the episode was also one of those convenient scenes - Teal'c and Bratak walk 'n talk, T gets an idea, Bretak smiles, nods, and off they go! Phhhfffft... But the second half, as has been stated, stole the show. It was a little corny when T asked Garreck to kill him, but the scene was good, and that made the corny moment not only acceptable, but rather enjoyable also. These were some very well done scenes.:)

The other two stories (Cam and Daniel on the planet as well as the General and his daughter) weren't very effective. I, for one, thought the banter with the prior was ridiculous - stupid one-liners that let the writer avoid putting any real though into the scene. i did like the csm playing the prior - too bad he had to die. The general and orlin's speech with the prior was so-so - not bad, not good. But, having the general speak about the prior's children was a dead give-away that something would happen between him and his daughter later - it's really too bad that Lam's dialogue was so on-the-nose in that scene (which is, as any writer will tell you, a big no-no you only get away with once you actually have a job writing for television). Landry gave his best performance right there, but that speech killed the moment (a slow, tortuous death to my ears).

One last thing - I agree with all the people stating that we needed to see the devastation of the plague. Telling instead of showing on TV goes against the very nature of the medium. All that happened, in each scene where the virus was discussed, was Walter or someone else telling us that the spreading of the virus was getting worse (as to be expected), but they tried to make some big dramatic moment out of it each time, and it just made it absolutely awful. it gives it no feeling to just tell us what's going on - it doesn't make it real or tangible. it makes it stupid, and unacceptable in my opinion.


I sometimes wonder why, if people are going to analyse the show so much, why bother watching at all? you'll get hardly any entertainment from watching the show if you sit there thinking of reasons why it is good or not, instead of just enjoying the show for what it is.

I respect your opinion, but the point you disregarded is that an analysis comes after watching the show - i did not like this episode, and THEN came up with the reasons why.

I would have disliked the episode regardless of whether or not I reviewed it in this thread - at least this way, I give meaning to my claim instead of just stating - "It wasn't good, and I don't know why it wasn't."

If I did it that way, then there would truly be no purpose for me watching the show.

Osiris-RA
January 7th, 2006, 10:58 AM
you'll get hardly any entertainment from watching the show if you sit there thinking of reasons why it is good or not

Actually, there's lots of entertainment in it. :D Why do you think people watch American Idol auditions or Master P on Dancing with the Stars? :p

Dani347
January 7th, 2006, 11:02 AM
remember that the original Orlin spoke in a 'dead-pan' style, but it didn't work then, and having the kid speak like that didn't work now (it's like Bud York's performance in "Harold and Maude").

I liked Harold and Maude. Maybe that's why I thought Orlin was pretty good.


I, for one, thought the banter with the prior was ridiculous - stupid one-liners that let the writer avoid putting any real though into the scene.

Honestly, I didn't think it should have worked. I would have found it much more realistic if the prior had said, "We mock what we don't understand," or something else like that. I just don't buy that what they did would get through to him.


it's really too bad that Lam's dialogue was so on-the-nose in that scene

Could you explain that expression?

Battousai the Manslayer
January 7th, 2006, 11:05 AM
Honestly, I didn't think it should have worked. I would have found it much more realistic if the prior had said, "We mock what we don't understand," or something else like that. I just don't buy that what they did would get through to him.The way I rationalize this is that Earth culture, with it's television and pop culture and so on is probably wayyyyy more advanced than other civilizations at mocking and sarcasm. :)

Hubble
January 7th, 2006, 11:18 AM
I agree. I went into this without expecting anything more than an ordinary episode and given the general tone of what many have said, perhaps even lowered expectations. And as a result I was actually Ok with it. The only things that stuck out was Daniel's handkerchief on his head, which bugged me for some reason and the joking with the prior which seemed a bit out of place given the situation. Everything else made for a decent TV watching experience.

I think sometimes people love the show so much that they're really invested in the way everything's presented. But sometimes it's not perfect; sometimes it's just OK. But it can be enjoyed if you let go of your expectations.

If I watch it a second time, maybe then I'll pay more attention to its failings.

Glad I'm not the only one. The Daniels' handerchief/bandana on his head bugged me as well. I always thought the reason he wore that was so sweat wouldn't run into his eyes when he was busy diggin' around in the dirt and being an archeologist. I found it appropriate and "cool" then. But he wasn't going on any archeology dig and I just could not see why he would wear it. (Of course I know a bunch of women find it sexy, so maybe the writers threw it in for them.) A tiny thing, but it rather annoyed me and I kept focusing on it. And I agree, Mitchell and the backwards hat thing for me, just reminds me of Jack and makes me miss him. So, I think they should stop with the backwards hat thing for Mitchell.

Cinephilic TV Addict
January 7th, 2006, 11:18 AM
Could you explain that expression?

Sure - when dialogue is "on-the-nose" that means a character is expressing exactly what they feel, think, believe, etc. In other words, the scene is about exactly what the scene is about - there is no subtext.

This is bad writing - TV shows today (good ones) avoid this like the plague (no pun intended on the prior's), and for good reasons -

1) It is always jarring, corny, awful, etc. (it draws the viewer out of the moment).

2) It is not real - people rarely ever say exactly what the feel. We lie, fib, and fudge the truth for our own selfish purposes. And when people do say exactly how they feel (on TV) that moment must be earned - the whole episode had better be spectacluar to justify such crap.

3) And most importantly, if you are a writer trying to get a television job, and you use on-the-nose dialogue in your script, you can consider yourself a self-proclaimed unemployed writer!

Basically, the way good TV works is that the scenes are always made about something else - it can be anything, tangible or not, but the character's don't say exactly what's on their minds. Then, some part of the episode reveals this subtext (only once!) which lets the viewer go - "oh, so THAT's what it's really about!"

Lam just blurted out her emotions (to a group of people no less) - it was about exactly what it was about, and it was not 'earned.' It was just terrible.

For another example look to the scene with T and Bretak on the pel'tak (and this isn't the best example because it did get a little on the nose, but it will suffice). They talk about Bretak leading the Jaffa nation, but what T is really saying is how much he respects Bretak and believes in him, without saying "Bretak - I respect and/or believe in you. Lead us, dudeski." A similar occurance occurs with T and Garreck - they make the scene about Garreck's dead father, NOT about the fate of all Jaffa.

And, surprise surprise, these were the best two scenes in the episode!

Hope this helps!

golfbooy
January 7th, 2006, 11:19 AM
Ok, here we go--the return of my useless ditherings about Stargate.

Overall, I liked it. Not the best episode ever, but certainly not the worst. The plot worked OK considering how broken up the cast was. If I had my way, I'd take the team together every time, but this was pretty good. I thought that the script was well written, and I thought that a couple of scenes were really well concieved.

Teal'c and Bra'tac on the mothership was as good as it gets, as was Teal'c's impassioned argument against the Ori when conversing with Gerak. I also thought that the scene where Landry and Orlin talk to the prior was well thought out, too. I particularly liked that Orlin knew about the prior, I liked that little concession of power to the Ancients. The Ancients still seem to be as detached as ever, and that works for me. Though I am a bit intrigued by Orlin's statement that it was when the prior "entered this galaxy" that Orlin knew all about him. At first glance it seems that the writers are taking the first real steps we've seen to limit what has been up until now the omniscient nature of the Ancients. At least that's what I'm calling it until they give us more.

I agree that the whole plague aspect of the story needed more gravity, but am at a loss as to how that could have been adequately achieved. I hate to suggest it, but aside from inserting a few random shots of sick people around the globe or nations erupting into chaos over the emergency, the only way I can think to make the plague more "real" would be to personalize it. And I mean in a more significant way than having Landry idiotically travel offworld and contract the virus. No, I think if the plague element was ever really going to have teeth, then someone would have to die. And it would have to be someone we all like and know well, otherwise it would play as trivially as Mitchell's illness did in The Powers That Be. So that counts out Mitchell and Landry. And I dare say that Carter, Teal'c, and Daniel are all pretty indestructible. No, that somone has to have a real connection with the audience. That someone has to be universally loved. That someone's death has to be a real blow to Stargate. That someone would have to be George Hammond. Yup, Hammond would have to be toast. And I'm not saying that that is the right thing to do. To be honest, I'd much rather sacrifice the tension of the plague story and keep Hammond alive. So, in that respect, I'm happy with the episode. I'm just saying, to make the plague story really hit home, someone had to bite it. And in this story, that would have been Hammond.

As for Orlin and Sam, meh. I've never been as enamored of Orlin as a character as most other fans, and I've been particularly dreading his return in this two-parter. Thankfully, his role in the episode was rather minimal; I daresay it's as small as "the return of Orlin" could have been done. For all that though, I'm sad to see Sam's role so marginalized for the shock value of what turned out to be an ill-executed character bring-back. The unavailability of Sean Patrick Flannery should have scuttled Orlin's presence in this episode, something that is only more apparent after watching Cameron Bright struggle with the role. I thought after Part I, and now only moreso after Part II, that the kid just comes across as so flat and monotone, so completely devoid of any onscreen presence, that this whole part of the story could never work. We were all watching Cameron Bright on tv, not Orlin. The information about the Ori and the Ancients that Orlin imparted to the team (and to us) is seminal to the future of SG-1. It needed to be delivered with more gravity and oomph.

As for the characters, let me first get it out of the way and say that Chris Judge absolutely stole the whole show. He was terrific, certainly his best peformance of the season so far. And it was nice to see Teal'c really involved and driving the action for a change. The importance given to the Jaffa nation stuff and Teal'c's role in keeping that nation together was very appropriate, and after watching this I can't help but think that the Jaffa and Teal'c should have had a much, much bigger role in the opening 3-parter. I still say lose the campy Mitchell sword fight and leave the Jaffa nation elements in those early episodes. Anyway, Chris Judge was great in Fourth Horseman II, as were Tony Amendola and Louis Gossett. Once again I have to beg--please, please, please don't ever kill Bra'tac. He's still the best recurring character the Stargate franchise has ever seen. Kudos to whoever cast Tony Amendola way back in season one. I can only hope that Chris Judge gets more to do and more meaty stuff in the future. His Teal'c is as great a fit as ever for SG-1, even if he really should still be bald.

My feelings about Mitchell are mixed in this one. As a serious, intelligent player in the story Mitchell did some of his best stuff yet. When talking with Haikon and Jolan, and when making his assault on the Prior, Mitchell fits nicely in the story. I was disappointed to see how quickly he fell back into his role as the show's "walking joke factory". In an otherwise serious episode, I found Cam's one-liners out of place and more grating than usual. And I really didn't like how Landry showed up off world and shifted the focus of that part of the story away from Cam and Daniel. So far this season, Beau Bridges' Landry has been far more involved with the team than Mitchell has, and for the character to have any chance that needs to change.

Daniel. Sadly, his rather inconsequential role in Part I was not improved upon here. There was more for his character to do in this episode than he did. I saw little reason to leave Daniel in his cell while Cam talks with the Sodan. For that matter, I really saw little reason for Daniel to be off-world with Cam at all. Daniel should have been making that speech to the Prior, not Landry. Daniel makes empassioned pleas on behalf of the Universe, not Mitchell and not Landry. Anything more than inane, throw-away lines would have been welcome. His banter with Mitchell was humor for humor's sake, not really adding anything to the story.

Sam didn't really play a vital role in this one. I'm not sure what I expected regarding her part, but it sure wasn't the couple of repetitive scenes we got. Though, I suspect that this has more to do with Amanda Tapping's gradual return to work rather than anything else. That said, I think she did well with what she was given. For all the super-imposed musical cues and "pity me" dialogue Orlin kept spewing, it's only Tapping's performance that gives this part of the story any small bit of emotional depth. I'm looking forward to Sam playing a bigger role in the coming episodes, which were shot after hiatus.

That just leaves Landry and Lam. I've been saying this all along, but I'm really not having the same difficulties with this storyline that many others seem to be. The scene in the infirmary, where so many people saw her as petty or petulant, is really about how much she still loves and cares about her father. She thinks he's going to die. He thinks he's going to die. And rather than being "OK" with it, she's pissed. She's pissed because she can't help him, she's pissed because her relationship with him is so strained. And rather than muttering platitudes she tells him the one thing that really could console him--that she understands why he's done things the way he has. That worked for me.

More than anything else, I think that this was a nice end to Gerak's storyline. I know not many people have taken to the character, but his role as the internally-conflicted figurehead of the future Jaffa nation ended up bringing about real character growth for Teal'c, Bra'tac, and the Jaffa as a people. Ultimately, Gerak's function was to find a place for the Jaffa in the new Ori-threatened galaxy. He did that well, and that makes his character a worthwhile endeavor and a success. At least by my reckoning, that is.

Bring on Collateral Damage next week.

NakedJehutyV2
January 7th, 2006, 11:20 AM
could someone give me a summary of it?

anyone know if it'll reair anytime soon?

michael
January 7th, 2006, 11:21 AM
The best part of the show.

Prior talking and talking about impending doom.

Mitchell walks away:" I'm gonna get something to eat. ":cool:

FoolishPleasure
January 7th, 2006, 11:22 AM
I have to admit, I was laughing when he spilled the vial on the floor and got yelled at by one of the scientists. Only to walk right out of the quarantine area...I thought he would spread disease around or something.
Actually, when Orlin spilled the vials and walked out the door, there WAS a sign outside of the door that said "Decontamination Area", but it wasn't easy to spot. I was actually looking for it as I couldn't believe he would just walk out of the room.

Scandrea
January 7th, 2006, 11:25 AM
This was an OK episode, I thought. Good, not great, but not horrible either. Teal'c and Gerak definitely stole the show, though I'm kind of sad about what happened to G. in the end- maybe that's the point.

The actor that played Orlin wasn't very convincing to me. I don't know. Just wasn't there.

Dan/Cam isn't Daniel/Jack, but it doesn't have to be.

The big problem I think has already been stated more eloquently than I could:


There is an issue that keeps this from being an above-and-beyond outstanding episode, and unfortunately it's something that permeates most of the scenes: Telling, not showing. The plague spreading, governments on edge, Orlin suffering, Landry getting the plague, Gerak threatening to bring about his goals by force ... all of these came out almost exclusively through dialogue. I love good dialogue, but in episodes like this its overuse turns an adventure show into a talky.

BigGator5
January 7th, 2006, 11:27 AM
The best part of the show.

Prior talking and talking about impending doom.

Mitchell walks away:"I'm gonna get something to eat." :cool:

That was funny! I let out a loud "HA!" when he did that. Then when it goes back to them, he has an apple and talking about an omelet.

It's little things like that, that really puts a human side to the show.

To Daniel's bandana: He's always wore that thing. I like him with it and he knew he might get dirty. Daniel's cool.

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Dani347
January 7th, 2006, 11:32 AM
Sure - when dialogue is "on-the-nose" that means a character is expressing exactly what they feel, think, believe, etc. In other words, the scene is about exactly what the scene is about - there is no subtext.



For another example look to the scene with T and Bretak on the pel'tak (and this isn't the best example because it did get a little on the nose, but it will suffice). They talk about Bretak leading the Jaffa nation, but what T is really saying is how much he respects Bretak and believes in him, without saying "Bretak - I respect and/or believe in you. Lead us, dudeski."


Hope this helps!


snipped quote for brevity. Yes, it does help, and I like the example you gave here.

AGateFan
January 7th, 2006, 11:33 AM
That might have helped.

I keep thinking of that episode of 24 a couple of seasons ago when the virus got loose. They had all those people locked up in that hotel and the agent had to shoot a man who tried to leave. You saw the affects of the virus and it became very personal, both for the people who had the disease and those who tried to contain it.
Atlantis did the virus better in hotzone too.

Zoser
January 7th, 2006, 11:33 AM
I thought the acting was flat, except for the scene with the old coot Bra'tac, and for the most part the story was without any tension. The population of the world about to be wiped out by the plague but where was the fear, the panic, or casual concern - I didn't see it.

What I really want to know is:
Who was running the base when Landry was in the infirmary? You remember 'chain of command'.
Why was Hammond of Texas out of uniform?
If the ancients are threatened are those with the ancient gene in jeopardy too?
Why no mention of Jack O'Neill? - I miss him.

PG15
January 7th, 2006, 11:38 AM
Easily one of the best episodes in the last few seasons. 5/5

Ok, some points:

I got teary eyed during the Landry/Lam scene at the end

I feel sorry for the Cigarette-smoking Prior. We didn't even see him do anything really evil (until the end).

The Ori are coming to destroy the Ancients! This is going to be pretty epic...sweet.

Bra'tac for president!!!

I have empathy for Gerak; I think he was a successful character ("but I die free!").

A lot of funny lines, and great banter between Daniel and Cam.

The look on the CS Prior's face when he lost his powers was just awesome. I actually cheered in that scene!

Talk about BS rhetoric, the Ori should write for Bra'tac when he becomes president.

That little scene with General Hammond and the team was just...heaven. A little piece of the past.

Poor Orlin! :( Maybe he'll get his memory restored by the Ancients sometime in the future, that'll be good.

Odd that nobody said anything about the fact that the last time Cam was in Sodan world, they'd thought he was dead.

More Walter!! :D

Good to see support for Teal'c

Bra'tac back in armor, about damn time!

Saw the solution ~7 minutes before it happened. Not too bad. I'll miss Gerak.

NakedJehutyV2
January 7th, 2006, 11:46 AM
Atlantis did the virus better in hotzone too.



hotzone and prior virus are the same?

AGateFan
January 7th, 2006, 11:51 AM
hotzone and prior virus are the same?
No I do not think so. I was indicating that the tension that was played out in Hotzone was superior do the lack of tension that exsisted in this episode. You dont really need 500 extras to pull off the "everyone is going to die isnt this terrible". You just need SOMETHING On Screen so everyone knows that "everyone is going to die isnt this horrible". The Landry thing didnt work at all, seemed like he got sick in the last 10 min and got heald in the last 5 min.... not enough time to even care.

BigGator5
January 7th, 2006, 11:58 AM
No I do not think so. I was indicating that the tension that was played out in Hotzone was superior do the lack of tension that exsisted in this episode.

You have made your point in about three posts. Take it to the "Anti" thread.

I think it was. That is why I have a hard time with the fact that the Alterans were killed off by this virus. In Hotzone, people with the Alteran Gene were immune to the virus.

Dani347
January 7th, 2006, 12:02 PM
I'm just saying, to make the plague story really hit home, someone had to bite it. And in this story, that would have been Hammond.

For me, it would have been enough for him to get sick, if it included showing the toll it took on Daniel, Sam, and Teal'c. For me, to see the fear and sadness in them would have worked to personalize it, even if, as a viewer I knew odds were he'd be okay.



As for the characters, let me first get it out of the way and say that Chris Judge absolutely stole the whole show. He was terrific, certainly his best peformance of the season so far.

Again, I say amen!


My feelings about Mitchell are mixed in this one. As a serious, intelligent player in the story Mitchell did some of his best stuff yet. When talking with Haikon and Jolan,

I really do like this bonding he has here. It was a nice continuation from part 1, where I loved that small moment when he quietly defends the Sodan to Landry.


I saw little reason to leave Daniel in his cell while Cam talks with the Sodan. For that matter, I really saw little reason for Daniel to be off-world with Cam at all. Daniel should have been making that speech to the Prior, not Landry. Daniel makes empassioned pleas on behalf of the Universe, not Mitchell and not Landry. Anything more than inane, throw-away lines would have been welcome.
I don't think that only Daniel can make impassioned speeches, but for Daniel not to make them is off. Especially since he went there with the hope of turning the prior around. Daniel doesn't do "lets mock our way to change." Daniel defiant, Daniel impassioned, Daniel frustrated. All those I could believe. Like Daniel talking to the Doci in Avalon 2. Daniel joking his way to victory? Nope, don't buy it.


His banter with Mitchell was humor for humor's sake, not really adding anything to the story.

I really think they were trying to play up the chemistry between them. And, they do have chemistry. They have a nice rhythm. But, it would have fit better as a set up. Have them trade quips in the hut before the action. Of course, the quips wouldn't be the same ones (since they wouldn't be doing a routine to get the prior to change his beliefs) but the humor could have been brought in, and then they could get down to the nitty gritty where it counted

AGateFan

The Landry thing didnt work at all, seemed like he got sick in the last 10 min and got heald in the last 5 min.... not enough time to even care.

I wonder if it would have helped if Landry had gotten sick in part 1.

ToasterOnFire
January 7th, 2006, 12:02 PM
hotzone and prior virus are the same?
I don't think so either, just by comparing the apparent symptoms of the two illnesses:

Hot Zone illness: "Six hour hibernation, reoccurring visions, and best of all, so I've left it til last, brain haemorrhage, or aneurysms."

4th Horsies illness: "It's colonel Barnes. About 3 hours ago he came in complaining of fatigue, about an hour after that he could barely stand. High fever, chest pain, respiratory distress...sound familiar?"

I don't remember the Hot Zone virus inducing fever and fatigue, nor did I hear any indication that the 4th Horseman virus caused hallucinations and aneurysms. I'm going to assume they're completely different.

AGateFan
January 7th, 2006, 12:07 PM
You have made your point in about three posts. Take it to the "Anti" thread.

I think it was. That is why I have a hard time with the fact that the Alterans were killed off by this virus. In Hotzone, people with the Alteran Gene were immune to the virus.

Im pretty sure they said the virus in Hotzone wasnt actually a virus but was just nanites that were easily killed by a big enough EM pulse. In this case the virus is actually a virus, otherwise they would have just isloated people and used an EM Pulse generator to clear up the virus.

So I would say that these are not the same, but it doesnt mean the Ori didnt cause both. Maybe the hotzone virus was the first run, but then why would they kill their own food. No I would have to stick with the "they are not the same virus" theory.

Should I take this to the Anti thread or the Pro S1 Atlantis thread? Maybe something in the Science and Tech folder. Please feel free to ask a mod to move this where ever your lordship thinks it should be moved.:)

golfbooy
January 7th, 2006, 12:09 PM
Just wanted to add that this is the worst episode of the season, for me, in terms of missing Jack. I feel like even RDA's limited presence in this one would have made Fourth Horseman play much better. It would have added weight to the whole disaster on Earth, and I can't help but think that those scenes offworld with the Prior would have played really great with Jack there. Instead I feel like they wrote the scene how they normally would have with Jack and just gave his parts to Mitchell. And, alas, Mitchell does not have the character depth or cynicism to pull off that special Stargate brand of humor.

Battousai the Manslayer
January 7th, 2006, 12:11 PM
I wonder if it would have helped if Landry had gotten sick in part 1.That's a good idea. However, I think someone really pinpointed the problem I have with his whole character earlier. He gets sick and is not able to command, guess what...the SGC doesn't even miss a beat. It's not even clear what he actually does to even contribute anything when he's not sick. If Hammond was sick in one of the earlier seasons, I'm betting that there would've been someone to step in as head of the base and it would've been portrayed as being a crippling blow to the command structure of the base. Not in this episode, as far as I can tell Landry isn't really even needed around the base.

jckfan55
January 7th, 2006, 12:23 PM
Certainly personnel would have been more worried about Hammond. I know everyone was at risk of dying, but still...

Dani347
January 7th, 2006, 12:28 PM
That's a good idea. However, I think someone really pinpointed the problem I have with his whole character earlier. He gets sick and is not able to command, guess what...the SGC doesn't even miss a beat. It's not even clear what he actually does to even contribute anything when he's not sick. If Hammond was sick in one of the earlier seasons, I'm betting that there would've been someone to step in as head of the base and it would've been portrayed as being a crippling blow to the command structure of the base. Not in this episode, as far as I can tell Landry isn't really even needed around the base.


Good point. One of the issues they were dealing with was the possibility of governments crumbling and chaos that didn't deal directly with death. If we saw the SGC crumbling, the impact would have been better.

rexpop
January 7th, 2006, 12:32 PM
An excellent episode up until the last 10 minutes when the writer realized that he didn't have another episode to finish up everything that he had set up and invited Mr Deus Ex Machina to finish the job for him. Definitely spoiled what was up until that point was an excellent story.

The good parts:
- Ben Browder continues to do an excellent job with Mitchell. The one-liners between him and the Prior were so funny and so in character.

- A great scene between Tealc and Gerak. Could have done with a little more exposition of the point that Tealc was showing Gerak, that he had become what he and his had spent most their lives fighting.

- Nice to see General Hammond even if it was to say goodbye and pass the torch.

The bad parts:
- The last 10 minutes. They could have had a great cliffhanger in Lamb telling Landry that he now has the Ori virus which would have lead to an episode were we find out more about Lam and Landry's history while SG-1 races to find a cure for the virus as the global death toll mounts and Orlins mind goes for a walk. Instead we had the Deus Ex Machina ending that completely spoiled the previous 80 minutes of fighting against impossible odds and rising tension. Not that I had a problem with the solution, its just it was way way way too rushed.

I'm really sorry to keep beating up on the writers of SG-1 and SGA about rushing stuff and other recent faults, but when the show following your two hour slot (Battlestar Galatica) sets the bar pretty high for character development, writing and drama, it means that you have to start thinking things through a whole lot more and not relying so much on cliche.

JanusAncient
January 7th, 2006, 01:00 PM
The is one of the best episodes I have seen. What was most depressing was the part with Orlin, at the end, stuck in that home, I can't understand why the writers couldn't figure something else to do with him, the dna manipulation machine, the Ancient healing cube, something other than, now this once ascended being is stuck in a retirement home, and will possibly never remember what he was, or who he is ever again.

Johnquixote
January 7th, 2006, 01:08 PM
Honestly, I didn't think it should have worked. I would have found it much more realistic if the prior had said, "We mock what we don't understand," or something else like that. I just don't buy that what they did would get through to him.
You are a harbinger of these all powerful gods who have given you incredible abilities. You are going to deal with people who did not follow the Ori's quest for them. They attempt to capture you. You kick their buts, lifting the leader into the air and interogating him by strangalation.
But then... he falls and Zats you. You have completely lost.
The only thing that I could think of that went through the Prior's mind was the Ori have forsaken me. And at the hands of the heretic enemies. For all the time he put into the priors I would think a guy explaining how to build an omelet and telling you the Ori aren't gods and they lie to you would be awfully tantalizing. And its not like ol' Dumerris (CSM Prior) was made for this kind of torture (Mitchell and Daniel mocking him).
The priors are still human, they still feel pain and emotion, I found his reaction completely believable.

rnwhocares
January 7th, 2006, 01:16 PM
This episode was atrocious. Painful to watch.

But, there was heart in the scene on the pel’tak with Teal’c and Bratec, as well as the scene with Teal’c and Garrick by Garrick's father's grave. So, it doesn’t get zero stars.

Good acting by General Landry at the end, but awful dialogue with the new Doctor spilling her guts out – have the writers heard the word ‘subtext.’

I’ll give it 1 star. Pretty terrible.
I totally agree about this episode. And who really cares about the personal relationship between Lam and Landry!!!

Johnquixote
January 7th, 2006, 01:23 PM
I totally agree about this episode. And who really cares about the personal relationship between Lam and Landry!!!
I really like Landry. I dono about Lexa Doig though. After watching a few episodes of Andromeda and the end of one of those new fangled crazy Jason movies, her acting is always the same. She doesn't bring much to the character.
However, for her monologue at the end, I could see the character still having an angriness at the end, because she still has resentment but is trying to forgive. She played the anger, but came off like a whiny brat.
I loved the episode though. It just moved too fast and I think that took alot of the care away. The prior action sequence was awesome but too short lived. They should have had Sodan and the other SG members attempting to bring him down.
Too many commercials!

yabyumpan
January 7th, 2006, 01:45 PM
You are a harbinger of these all powerful gods who have given you incredible abilities. You are going to deal with people who did not follow the Ori's quest for them. They attempt to capture you. You kick their buts, lifting the leader into the air and interogating him by strangalation.
But then... he falls and Zats you. You have completely lost.
The only thing that I could think of that went through the Prior's mind was the Ori have forsaken me. And at the hands of the heretic enemies. For all the time he put into the priors I would think a guy explaining how to build an omelet and telling you the Ori aren't gods and they lie to you would be awfully tantalizing. And its not like ol' Dumerris (CSM Prior) was made for this kind of torture (Mitchell and Daniel mocking him).
The priors are still human, they still feel pain and emotion, I found his reaction completely believable.

I totally agree with this. You could see the Prior struggling to hold onto his faith, trotting out all the doctrine to convince himself as much as those listening. The mocking put him off balence, it showed they didn't fear him and had no intention fo following him. Humiliation and mocking is always a useful tactic when the enemy can't be reasoned with.

I thought it was a really good episode. I was spoiled for most of it but I still found it suspenseful, funny and moving. Echoing everyone else's praise of CJ, he was absolutly fantastic. Could have done without the Lam/Landrey stuff but it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be.
I thought CB did ok as Orlin, he's an Decended Ascended Ancient being who's trapped inside a child's body and slowly loosing his and and memory. I thought CB did a pretty good job of it. I would've liked to have seen Sam do some more, though, she was basicly just baby-sitting Orlin.
Enjoyed the Daniel/Cam banter. It was good that Mitchell was given more to do and I'm just loving more-world-weary Daniel this season. Also liked how the Soden investigated and came to their own conclusions about the Ori, I liked them better in this episode that in Babylon.
Really enjoyed all the Teal'c/Garak stuff. I could believe Garak's conversion back as I'd sensed his desperation in part ! and before. As Teal'c said, sometimes it's difficult to let go of the shackles of slavery and for a warrior who may have done some pretty "distastful things" before he joined the free Jaffa, the promise of enlightenment must seem very tempting when you're nearly at the end of your days.

All in all, a very good episode and an encouraging start to the rest of the season. Off to watch it again now :cameron:

LORD MONK
January 7th, 2006, 01:53 PM
This ep. kicked major but. Very impressed with it. I loved the Prior and Mitch scenes, Teal'c and Garek scenes and all the other scenes. The best part is when the Prior tried to get is staff and nothing happened. O' the look on his face.

Of course there was some stuff that I think could have been better but you can pick anything apart that you don't like. The only problem I have is when people call themselfs gate lovers and all they do is nit-pick everything apart. If they were true lovers of the show they ould over look all that and only see the good things.

Best Ep. of the season so far.

Gargen
January 7th, 2006, 01:58 PM
haha exchanging recipes gotta love it, though i think whether or not the gaffa will go orii or not would have been nice

NakedJehutyV2
January 7th, 2006, 01:59 PM
I really like Landry. I dono about Lexa Doig though. After watching a few episodes of Andromeda and the end of one of those new fangled crazy Jason movies, her acting is always the same. She doesn't bring much to the character.
However, for her monologue at the end, I could see the character still having an angriness at the end, because she still has resentment but is trying to forgive. She played the anger, but came off like a whiny brat.
I loved the episode though. It just moved too fast and I think that took alot of the care away. The prior action sequence was awesome but too short lived. They should have had Sodan and the other SG members attempting to bring him down.
Too many commercials!


welcome to capitalism, it sucks doesn't it. they don't care bout fans, only profit (aka money).

btw nice dogs

Domesticated Equine
January 7th, 2006, 02:07 PM
The only problem I have is when people call themselfs gate lovers and all they do is nit-pick everything apart. If they were true lovers of the show they ould over look all that and only see the good things.



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Dana_Jeanne
January 7th, 2006, 02:34 PM
This episode was pretty much just a ::shrug:: for me, not good, not bad, just... there.

I found the 'bantering' between Daniel and Mitchell with the Prior to be out of place and forced. I felt like I was watching Shanks and Browder see who could get the most quips and one-liners/worders in. It just fell really flat for me.

I'm not liking Mitchell as much as I was hoping I would. He's too much a combination of Jack and Shepard and Creighton to be believable to me as a different character. Too many one-liners and sacarstic flippancy--it's what Jack ended up doing that made me end up not liking the character anymore.

I don't care for this new Daniel, either. There's no linguist, archeologist or scholar left in him; he's all soldier now. And where's his compassion for humanity? I simply don't know this "person" anymore.

I like the leader of the Sodan-- I hope we see more of him, which is rather ironic since I find the Jaffa storyline reeeeeeally boring. I know some thought his reversal of opinion on the Ori happened rather quickly, but I don't see it that way. In Babylon (?) Mitchell kept telling him the Ori were Bad, and I'd assume the Jaffa who let Mitchell live confessed (since nobody said anything when Daniel and Mitchell showed up!) and also kept on him about the Ori being Bad. Then they went to two different planets, saw first-hand that the Ori are BAD, and, viola--- his mind was changed. That did make sense to me.

Teal'c, Bratac and Garek. Jaffa stories still bore me, but whoo-baby, did Chris Judge do an awesome job in this episode or what? I'm glad he's being given some good stuff this year; the man is a much better actor than a simple "indeed" shows.

I'm off two minds over the -- did Garek change too quickly-- 'debate.' In both episodes we see Garek hesitating to do what the Prior has demanded he do. I thought it was very apparent that Garek really desired Ascension, desired it badly enough to grab hold of the Ori and go with them. As he found out more bad things about them, he began to waver, and the final ta-ding came when Teal'c met him at the site where Garek's father was killed.

I felt it was appropriate that Garek died saving the SGC the way he did. I liked the scene between he and Teal'c, when Teal'c asks hm why he's hesitating--because I will die-- and poof up in flames he goes.

Now, I've watched this next part three times and I STILL can't understand what the heck Daniel says-- something about a failsafe? He doesn't need to talk that fast-- he didn't used to--what the heck happened up in Glowyville that sent Daniel back with a faster-than-light speaking speed?

I would have liked a small scene with Daniel and Teal'c, perhaps Daniel simply putting his hand on Teal'c's arm or shoulder in sympathy. That's something Daniel would have done in the old days.

The scene with Landry and Lam in the infirmary was, well, embarrassing. Landry's going to die, and his daughter is talking to him about personal stuff in a room filled with people? She should have been down there in a hazmat suit talking to him face to face privately. I thought Bridges did a beautiful job (well he would, Oscar winner here), but Lam's unhappiness was under-played too much. I would have liked to have seen more emotion from her. She's not fitting in to my Stargate Universe, unfortunately; I'm not warming to her.

Orlin? He was one sub-plot too many and didn't really serve any purpose once his mind began to disappear. Plus the music was entirely too loud and cloying-- I didn't need it to reinforce that something Very Sad was happening, I could see that just fine. Several times too many in fact.

Will I watch this again? Probably. It's not one that I'd purposely sit down and re-watch though, the way I do the early seasons of the show.

Dana Jeanne

The Engineer
January 7th, 2006, 02:36 PM
Episode 9x11 was gooooood, very goooooood.
Kudos to the script writers!
Kudos to the actors!

knowsfords
January 7th, 2006, 02:39 PM
Orlin stuck as a special needs little boy :S

LORD MONK
January 7th, 2006, 02:45 PM
Did you read this?



I have no problem with people who like the show, it doesn't take anything away from me. However, I'm also allowed to voice my negative opinion and you can freely it ignore if you don't like it.
So everyone can post negative if they want. And if they don't like it they can put them on the ignore list. I didn't single out one person, I was just stating a fact wich makes it my negative opinion. You should practice what you preach.
All I was saying was it's funny when someone calls themself a lover when all they do is nit-pick. Which is my opinion.

Johnquixote
January 7th, 2006, 02:50 PM
So everyone can post negative if they want. And if they don't like it they can put them on the ignore list. I didn't single out one person, I was just stating a fact wich makes it my negative opinion. You should practice what you preach.
All I was saying was it's funny when someone calls themself a lover when all they do is nit-pick. Which is my opinion.
Maybe they just love to nitpick.
Or maybe they just love it to nitpick.
Or maybe they just love it because they can nitpick afterwords.
Or maybe they just love the old seasons and enjoy nitpicking the new.

Something along those lines I'm sure.

What a great episode. Not much to nitpick IMO.
Cigarette Smoking Prior, I'm gona miss him so much.

LORD MONK
January 7th, 2006, 02:55 PM
Maybe they just love to nitpick.
Or maybe they just love it to nitpick.
Or maybe they just love it because they can nitpick afterwords.
Or maybe they just love the old seasons and enjoy nitpicking the new.

Something along those lines I'm sure.

What a great episode. Not much to nitpick IMO.
Cigarette Smoking Prior, I'm gona miss him so much.
True, o'so very true.

And I am going to miss the Cig. smoker to. O the look on his face when the powers went bye-bye

Amanda Eros
January 7th, 2006, 02:55 PM
I don't know if anyone else mentioned this or not, but did anyone else notice something strange about the scene with Hammond, Sam, Daniel and Mitchell? Was that done on green screen or something because the lighting was really funny. It was like the characters were extra bright while the background was really dim. Unless they needed to do that if it was spliced together. Meaning they filmed Hammond in one location and the rest of them in another.

Johnquixote
January 7th, 2006, 02:59 PM
I don't know if anyone else mentioned this or not, but did anyone else notice something strange about the scene with Hammond, Sam, Daniel and Mitchell? Was that done on green screen or something because the lighting was really funny. It was like the characters were extra bright while the background was really dim. Unless they needed to do that if it was spliced together. Meaning they filmed Hammond in one location and the rest of them in another.
Maybe it was an intended lighting to make the scene seem extra special, "remember kids, protect each other, and watch after the guy with bushy eyebrows too!"

LORD MONK
January 7th, 2006, 02:59 PM
I don't know if anyone else mentioned this or not, but did anyone else notice something strange about the scene with Hammond, Sam, Daniel and Mitchell? Was that done on green screen or something because the lighting was really funny. It was like the characters were extra bright while the background was really dim. Unless they needed to do that if it was spliced together. Meaning they filmed Hammond in one location and the rest of them in another.
I noticed it look weird. Like something was missing. So yes that might explain it. Like when they do cartoon voices you sometimes are recoring a conversation but you are only saying your lines and the person you are talking to isn't their then they go and splice it together. Thats what is was like for me.

Domesticated Equine
January 7th, 2006, 03:00 PM
So everyone can post negative if they want. And if they don't like it they can put them on the ignore list. I didn't single out one person, I was just stating a fact wich makes it my negative opinion. You should practice what you preach.
All I was saying was it's funny when someone calls themself a lover when all they do is nit-pick. Which is my opinion.

You posted a negative opinion about the fans, not the show. And I'm indeed practicing what I preach, otherwise I would have made comments about you or the fans who post nothing but positive comments.

majorsal
January 7th, 2006, 03:08 PM
However, this helped make Hammond's appearance a surprise - yay! :hammond06: D

speaking of hammond; did anyone else get the feeling that don s davis wasn't really in the room with them when they filmed the 'good job, mitchell, for getting the band back together' scene? it felt off (like the jack-daniel scene in ? when jack told daniel he was hungry).



sally :)

Johnquixote
January 7th, 2006, 03:09 PM
"No, you're a Darkside intergalactic encyclopedia salesman only the office managers haven't been quite upfront with you." -Mitchell
I loved this line, one of my favorite parts of the ep. I'm thinking about making a sig with Dumerris the Prior smiling, with a hello my name is Dumerris sticker and a employee of the month pin. And next to it would be the book of Origin with the title Darkside Intergalactic Encyclopedia. Gotta get a screen cap first.

Domesticated Equine
January 7th, 2006, 03:11 PM
speaking of hammond; did anyone else get the feeling that don s davis wasn't really in the room with them when they filmed the 'good job, mitchell, for getting the band back together' scene? it felt off (like the jack-daniel scene in ? when jack told daniel he was hungry).



sally :)

I think the whole Hammond-visit felt somewhat rushed and gimmicky. I love the character but maybe his visit would have worked better in an episode that didn't have quite so many plotlines.

LORD MONK
January 7th, 2006, 03:26 PM
You posted a negative opinion about the fans, not the show. And I'm indeed practicing what I preach, otherwise I would have made comments about you or the fans who post nothing but positive comments.
Are you saying that I post nothing but positive comments. Because that would be GREAT. I have no problem with negatie posts. There good for the forum. That's what makes it not boring. It's when the posty goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. Eventualy you would think they have something positive to post, but nope they don't.

Here's something negative. How the hell did they Prior pull Landry to him. I thought he had no powers. Now that is positive negative feed back for the writers to follow up on in the future. That part made no sense to me.

Damn it, my brother just came over and told me that one of the soldiers yells out that the Prior has overcome the device.

majorsal
January 7th, 2006, 03:33 PM
Also, lets put some tinkly music in the Sam and Orlin scenes in order to show that Sam is feeling sad about him.


the tinkly music was the same music used in s5's ascension. it's orlin's theme, so to speak. i know this, because ascension is one of my fave eps. (not as fave as it used to be, though, since part one of fourth horseman made it seem like sam and orlin had 'done the deed'... anyone know of any scene in ascension that would have been 'sex' between sam and orlin???) but anyhoo, i love the orlin theme.



And, Landry is feeling sad that he might die just when he's starting to get past the problems with his daughter, so don't forget that tear on his cheek.

not that i didn't appreciate beau bridges acting, but just why 'was' landry crying in that scene? what lam was saying to him didn't warrant (to me) landry crying. (maybe he was crying because of lam's lousy bedside manner?:p)



sally :)

LMichelle
January 7th, 2006, 03:36 PM
The new song. *squees* Did you see Vala? It was just for a split second. Yay!

General Hammond. Yay! And in a suit, too. I want him to come back. Oh, right, Landry's alive. ;)

They still put Daniel in the green uniform when Cam's in the blue. Y'know, we can tell the difference now. Sheesh.

Southern Cameron: One word - reckon. Is it too much to ask to get a y'all one of these days?

William B. Davis looked a little less pale than he did during the final days of Smoking Man on The X-Files.

I'm *so* loving the Daniel/Cameron friendship/rapport thing they had going on in this ep.

Cameron with his baseball cap backwards. *squee* Daniel the the black bandanna. Oh. Yeah.

At least we don't have to worry about Gerak anymore. I'm sick of that Jaffa crap anyway. *snore*

It seemed like Sam was just there to babysit Orlin. Then he winds up in a psych hospital because of all this. Not right.

Next week - Whumped Mitchell. Ben does whumped well, doesn't he?

LMichelle

Johnquixote
January 7th, 2006, 03:36 PM
You posted a negative opinion about the fans, not the show. And I'm indeed practicing what I preach, otherwise I would have made comments about you or the fans who post nothing but positive commentsAre you saying that I post nothing but positive comments. Because that would be GREAT. I have no problem with negatie posts. There good for the forum. That's what makes it not boring. It's when the posty goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. Eventualy you would think they have something positive to post, but nope they don't.
Didn't quite get that vibe from D Equine.

Seshat
January 7th, 2006, 03:39 PM
speaking of hammond; did anyone else get the feeling that don s davis wasn't really in the room with them when they filmed the 'good job, mitchell, for getting the band back together' scene? it felt off (like the jack-daniel scene in ? when jack told daniel he was hungry).
sally :)
Interesting, I didn't notice that the first time around and so will have to look again to see. I know I was distracted (in a good way) by Hammond repeating how sorry he was not to see Teal'c on this visit, and I kept thinking "Awwww, George is such a sweetie!" in my head...lol :hammond:

LORD MONK
January 7th, 2006, 03:40 PM
the tinkly music was the same music used in s5's ascension. it's orlin's theme, so to speak. i know this, because ascension is one of my fave eps. (not as fave as it used to be, though, since part one of fourth horseman made it seem like sam and orlin had 'done the deed'... anyone know of any scene in ascension that would have been 'sex' between sam and orlin???) but anyhoo, i love the orlin theme.




not that i didn't appreciate beau bridges acting, but just why 'was' landry crying in that scene? what lam was saying to him didn't warrant (to me) landry crying. (maybe he was crying because of lam's lousy bedside manner?:p)



sally :)
Landry had a tear because he was remembering all the times he wasn't their or her and she is telling him how she hated him for it. That would bring a tear to any grown man hearing that from there daughter. And how she nderstands now because she just had to call Mom and tell her something that wasn't the hole truth and now she understands why he did it.

LORD MONK
January 7th, 2006, 03:43 PM
Didn't quite get that vibe from D Equine.
Dang it, I wanted to be one of the positive people. O'well.

majorsal
January 7th, 2006, 03:44 PM
I agree with those who said Daniel and Mitchell were a bit too flip in the Prior scenes. On the other hand, maybe RDA could have pulled off the "flipness covering concern" about situation. Perhaps the writers & TPTB think they can just feed lines to anyone and they will come off the same way as if from Jack. I suspect more and more that RDA's contributions had been underestimated.


i think rda could read a medical dictionary and have us rolling on the floor. that man is a master of subtle and whimsical. it is not just dialog that makes it work, but delivery. rda is a master. (((rda)))



sally :)

PG15
January 7th, 2006, 03:53 PM
not that i didn't appreciate beau bridges acting, but just why 'was' landry crying in that scene? what lam was saying to him didn't warrant (to me) landry crying. (maybe he was crying because of lam's lousy bedside manner?:p)



sally :)

I understand it perfectly. They've been antagonists for almost all of Lam's life, mostly because Landry was always away and never got to see his daughter. Unfortunately they didn't focus enough on their relationship in the first 10 episodes IMHO.

Either way though, I think the fact that his daugher was finally opening up to him was a very strong impact for him, especially on his death bed.

EDIT: I actually got teary eyed in that scene.

majorsal
January 7th, 2006, 03:55 PM
I have to admit, I was laughing when he spilled the vial on the floor and got yelled at by one of the scientists. Only to walk right out of the quarantine area...I thought he would spread disease around or something.

i didn't laugh. i was watching with my mom, and when orlin just strolled out of the room while the lights were flashing and the sirens were going off... i said, 'uh, wouldn't that door have been locked if there was a contagion loose?'

i like details. i always have. not anal about it, but when something is obviously (for me) missing in a scene, it kind of takes me out of it. (like on 'three's company', when jack, chrissy, and janet's apartment would have been robbed fifty times over with the amount of times they left the door open. :p)



sally :)

Daniel's Sister
January 7th, 2006, 03:57 PM
I loved every part of this ep.
First, I like how they brought back the Sodan.
Second, I really like how even though Gerak just got under your skin, they made his characture not so bad at the end.
Had the right amount of action.
And, I loved the parts with Orlin. And it was so sad that Orlin lost his memory.
You just had to feel sorry for him. As well as Sam.
And it was a very close call w/ Cameron when the Prior had him flying (song: I fly through the air, with the greatest of ease...)*ahem* and was about to be flung into space. I would have been thingking ' Umm, Daniel? want to hurry up and, (voice getting louder), find that right frequincy!?!
So, yea, I really liked this eisode.
Oh, and I really liked seeing Generald Hammond. :hammond15:

majorsal
January 7th, 2006, 04:04 PM
13. Whats with the barrage of in-crisis wit and metaphors? The Daniel Jackson and Cam Mitchell Comedy team everybody! Give 'em a hand! Buff'n Stuff and striving to make you laugh! :rolleyes:




hehe!:p when you said that, i immediately thought of 'white christmas', with bing crosby and danny kaye. (for those that don't know the movie, bing and danny's characters are entertainers that travel around and do shows). so i saw the 'mitchell and danny show', where they travel around the world, entertaining the troups. :p and :rolleyes:

Seshat
January 7th, 2006, 04:05 PM
I would have been thinking ' Umm, Daniel? want to hurry up and, (voice getting louder), find that right frequincy!?!
Me, too. :D

Did anyone else wonder why they sent the archaeologist back to the planet to handle the technical bits and not Super-Sam? :confused:

AGateFan
January 7th, 2006, 04:09 PM
Me, too. :D

Did anyone else wonder why they sent the archaeologist back to the planet to handle the technical bits and not Super-Sam? :confused:
Sam was supposed to be working with Orlin to cure the virus... not sure why Lam wasnt doing that.

nccjones
January 7th, 2006, 04:10 PM
I didn't really care for this episode...parts just dragged on. The only part I did like was the part with Daniel and Mitchell when they were trying to get the prior...it was a good scene.

I hate to say it, even though I saw the opening credits a few months ago, finally seeing it as part of the show was a little unsettling. The 3 scenes of Browder before the opening credits just makes me upset. I believe they should have been 3 team shots...not him. It just upsets me that TPTB are making him the star of the show after only 11 episodes where the other actors have been on for 10 years! I'm sorry, I know alot of people like Mitchell and I totally respect everyone of you for it, but me, well, the show just isn't selling to me anymore. I'm hoping when Vala comes back that I will like it again, but I just don't care for this Mitchell character.

I thought AT was great in this show. As for her telling Orlin to give her the information, I didn't see that as her trying to save the planet again, I saw her as trying to save Orlin. I loved the very ending with her and Orlin...that was great.

Scene btwn Lam and Landry. How embarrassing! She was talking about personal childhood memories in public! There were nurses and doctors down there and how do we know he was the only concious person in the beds? It would have been a great scene if she were by his bedside, not up in the observation room.

Garek...well, I have to say I'm glad to see him gone...but not in that way. At least he died making a sacrifice by saving others. It was very touching. But I was tired of his character. Now I'm hoping Brat'ac will take over and leave Teal'c to SG1 and give him other great scenes besides the Jaffa (even though this was CJ's besting acting performance and stole the show from the others). Oh, and Teal'c.....go to another hairdresser...please!

The scene with Mitchell and Daniel. I'm not going for the banter btwn them. Just wasn't the right place and time. Daniel was totally underutilized in this episode. I think the only reason he was there was to further sell the character of Mitchell by showing how well they banter together.

I'm not sure I'm too thrilled with this new Daniel either. He just didn't fit in this episode except when he was speaking to the prior but other than that I don't care for the military Daniel at all. I don't want him to be the naive, pacifist archeologist of old, but at he same time he could still keep some of those qualities we have enjoyed over the years. Daniel has changed too drastically for me. Even the basketball games...when would Daniel of old go play a basketball game? He'd rather unwind in his office going over ancient texts. Again..it's too forced on me. I have to say season 7 Daniel was the most realistic and I wish he'd go back to that.

Also, what was with his bandana and glasses? They both looked odd on him this time. Mitchell needs to lose the backwards hat...sorry, he looks like a kid. It's like TPTB have each character with their own head covering style.

Over all, I just wasn't too thrilled with the episode. I'm hoping for more team episodes in the future. I think I'd like the show more if they changed the opening credits too....I have no problem with BB as the first billing...but the scenes before the opening credits is what's losing me. JMO

Domesticated Equine
January 7th, 2006, 04:12 PM
Are you saying that I post nothing but positive comments.



No, I didn't say that. It was purely hypothetical.



I have no problem with negatie posts. There good for the forum. That's what makes it not boring. It's when the posty goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. Eventualy you would think they have something positive to post, but nope they don't.



That's great, I also think it's a good thing to have different opinions. However, I sometimes find it really hard to find something positive to post about an episode when all the bad points overshadow the good ones. Likewise, there are episodes that are so good that it feels pointless to come up with anything negative to comment about. I certainly prefer watching the latter, but unfortunately this episode was the former for me.

ping-pong
January 7th, 2006, 04:17 PM
At least we don't have to worry about Gerak anymore. I'm sick of that Jaffa crap anyway. *snore*
LMichelle

Even though Gerak is gone (I guess he's gone for good), the Jaffa story is not gone. Just as Daniel's storyline (archeology, linguist, opening the gate) is an important arc, the Jaffa story has always been and still is a very important arc of SG1 since 'Children of the Gods' in Season 1. Teal'c is apart of SG1 but he is still Jaffa and the Jaffa has a significant relationship with the Tauri--from being feared enemies to allies. It's too bad some in SG1 audience fails to see (or refuses to see) the significance of the Jaffa to SG1 story and instead choose to brush it off as boring crap.

PG15
January 7th, 2006, 04:25 PM
Sam was supposed to be working with Orlin to cure the virus... not sure why Lam wasnt doing that.

I think Lam was treating the already-sick.

symbioticworld
January 7th, 2006, 04:29 PM
{I'm guessing the scene between Landry and Dr. Lam was supposed to be heartwarming, but she came across as harsh. He's lying there, dying, and she sounds like she's fussing at him. Even when she said she understood, her tone of voice was abrupt.}

I think she sounded like that because she was exhausted, scared, frustrated, and angry at circumstances. Also she finally had a clue about why he had been so disconnected for all those years, and could actually relate to it, and now he was dying!! More frustration - HOW DARE HE ABANDON HER AGAIN?! Didn't he remember she wouldn't be able to talk to her mom? Who was she going to share her thoughts with if he died? Just my never very humble opinion. ;-)

majorsal
January 7th, 2006, 04:36 PM
Just wanted to add that this is the worst episode of the season, for me, in terms of missing Jack. I feel like even RDA's limited presence in this one would have made Fourth Horseman play much better. It would have added weight to the whole disaster on Earth, and I can't help but think that those scenes offworld with the Prior would have played really great with Jack there. Instead I feel like they wrote the scene how they normally would have with Jack and just gave his parts to Mitchell. And, alas, Mitchell does not have the character depth or cynicism to pull off that special Stargate brand of humor.

maybe they shouldn't have made jack head of homeworld security if they were going to ignore his position in eps that the plot allowed for. (what a crappy sentence :p did anyone understand it?)




sally :)

LORD MONK
January 7th, 2006, 04:44 PM
No, I didn't say that. It was purely hypothetical.



That's great, I also think it's a good thing to have different opinions. However, I sometimes find it really hard to find something positive to post about an episode when all the bad points overshadow the good ones. Likewise, there are episodes that are so good that it feels pointless to come up with anything negative to comment about. I certainly prefer watching the latter, but unfortunately this episode was the former for me.
People are bent because they say no one was running the base when Landry was ill. That part you are supposed to just assume that someone is, because after all, you know someone is that is how it works in any military. If they shoed who was running it that would take up valuable minutes that could be used somewhere else. Although I would like to see who it was. I know it wasn't Hammond because he was wearing a suit. I'd like to think it was Chevron guy. My brother thinks it was the head doctor becuase everyone was quarintined. That makes sense to. Maybe TPTB did it on purpose and they are going to keep on doing it because we need something else to talk about after we see a furling.

Dani347
January 7th, 2006, 05:01 PM
Me, too. :D

Did anyone else wonder why they sent the archaeologist back to the planet to handle the technical bits and not Super-Sam? :confused:

It wouldn't have worked in the set up they had (and what would they do with Teal'c) but wouldn't it have made more sense to have an episode where Sam goes down to deal with the technical stuff, Mitchell rallies the Sodan, and Daniel gives a real Daniel speech to the prior? And, Teal'c? Um. They really need to give CJ enough material so that he doesn't have to be with the Jaffa to have a purpose. His part was great here, but it's sad that I can't think of an alternative where he could have a purpose with the team.

rac76
January 7th, 2006, 05:11 PM
I enjoyed the episode. I'll quickly breakdown my synopsis of it. Remember that this is just my opinion...

Opening sequence, I liked it, I thought it was well done.

The banter between Mitchell/Daniel was funny. I thought that they were trying to prove that they were not scared of any of the Ori threats. I enjoyed the quip about the pie crust.

When they were talking to the Ori (aka smoking man), I felt sorry for him. I don't know why I felt sorry for the enemy, but I did. The facial expressions that he had were making me feel sad for him. I just don't know...

Happy that they didn't have a quick cure all that Sam would had developed. I'm glad that it was Garek that had a change of heart and saved Earth.

I was sadden at the end with Orlin and Sam. Sorry to see him in some type of hospital (mental??). Hopefully, they will not allow him to stay there that long. I was expecting him to be adopted or stay on the base for a while.

Landry didn't get on my nerves last night. I enjoyed watching him, I thought that maybe he is finally getting used to being at the SGC. My husband did make a comment that he doesn't like Beau Bridges as the new general. He agreed with me when I said that he doesn't fit the miltary stereotype. He seems to much like a hippie (sorry..he does), but I did enjoy watching him in last night's episode. I thought that he did a good job.

Lam..I'm sorry, I'm just not getting use to her. I thought the dialogue between her and Landry was just a bit of a stretch. I just didn't feel "it" when she was talking, trying to spill her guts..just didn't get it. Maybe she will improve in the upcoming episodes.

Hammond..I was happy to see him. I wish they had given him more lines. I was hoping for anything more poetic then what he did say. He did look really nice in that suit. :hammond: I think that I have a small crush on him!! :)

I did enjoy the interaction that Teal'c had with everyone. I thought he did a very nice job. I'm happy that he got Garek to see that what the Jaffa nation sarcificed shouldn't go to waste. And I like his hair like that, I think that he looks good! :)

That's all I have for now. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season. Looking forward to seeing Vala. :vala:

Dana_Jeanne
January 7th, 2006, 05:16 PM
It's too bad some in SG1 audience fails to see (or refuses to see) the significance of the Jaffa to SG1 story and instead choose to brush it off as boring crap.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with some of us finding the Jaffa storyline boring. Nobody is going to like Every Single Thing about a show, especially one that's been running this long. If we did, it would make for very boring discussion.

And I don't think anyone said the Jaffa storyline was *insignificant,* only that we found it dull and boring.

Dana Jeanne

Hatusu
January 7th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Sam was supposed to be working with Orlin to cure the virus... not sure why Lam wasn't doing that.
That did really bother me, GateFan. Since when is Sam a Biochemist?
Good point, Sela. I enjoyed most of the show, but Lam's speech to her father struck me as rather public. I liked this show. The banter work for me, finally. But the unnecessary inconsistencies show sloppiness on someone's part.

One more thing. I would have liked to see Sam show some emotion over what happened to Orlin. I suppose it would have been easier with the original actor.

Hatusu
January 7th, 2006, 05:31 PM
There's absolutely nothing wrong with some of us finding the Jaffa storyline boring. Nobody is going to like Every Single Thing about a show, especially one that's been running this long. If we did, it would make for very boring discussion.

And I don't think anyone said the Jaffa storyline was *insignificant,* only that we found it dull and boring.

Dana Jeanne
That's unfortunate, Dana. I defend your right to say it, but in my opinion, it was the best part of the show.

majorsal
January 7th, 2006, 05:39 PM
Orlin stuck as a special needs little boy :S

that was actually my fave part of this ep. it was the *only* part that i felt any emotion for too.

i hope they (earth/humans) don't cure him, but i think it would be neat of his ascended buddies came back 'at the right moment' to cure him so he could kick ori butt. ;)



sally :)

Dana_Jeanne
January 7th, 2006, 05:39 PM
That's unfortunate, Dana. I defend your right to say it, but in my opinion, it was the best part of the show.
I've no clue why I find it all so boring. I have since day one, and I'm not sure if it's because Teal'c as a character doesn't interest me much on his own or what. I like him fine when he's with the team; loved Cor'Ai and Changeling. I simply don't care about the Jaffa Nation. Which is why it's boring to me, I guess.

Although.... for THIS episode, I agree with you: the Jaffa parts *were* the best part of the show.

Dana Jeanne

Dani347
January 7th, 2006, 05:41 PM
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One more thing. I would have liked to see Sam show some emotion over what happened to Orlin. I suppose it would have been easier with the original actor.

Do you mean in the rest home? I think she was putting on a brave front. He was there, not knowing that he had lost his memories, not knowing that there was anything to be upset about. He was pretty content. Then, if this stranger (because that's what Sam was to him by then) came and got emotional over him, it might upset him and scare him, because he wouldn't know why.

chocdoc
January 7th, 2006, 05:51 PM
I thought this episode was okay, but a bit of a letdown after Part I.

I thought Teal'c and Bra'tac were great together as always. I have not liked Garak at all, but his sacrifice at the end was very good. In fact, I have found him painful to watch until last night's episode.

I was okay with the Sam and Orlin interaction, but Sam didn't really do much except babysit him. The last scene though was very good. For me, just the right amount of emoting from Sam. Fortunately the anti-Prior weapon that she and Dr. Lee worked on in Part I, though, was effective up to a point.

The Landry/Lam scene did not work for me. I have no idea why Lam would be saying all these things to her father in this public setting. The execution of Lam's speech just didn't sound right. I think the writers have done a disservice to the Lam character for focusing on this friction between father and daughter instead of focusing on Lam's professional side. Let's get to know her professional side first, before we move into "relationship issues."

I liked the Daniel/Mitchell banter to a point, and then it just seemed like I was listening to the actors instead of Daniel and Mitchell. There were some funny lines, but it seemed a bit forced in the episode.

Okay, I am now officially starving for a real live team episode off-world where the whole team goes through the gate and believe or not they stay together as a team.

Daniel's Sister
January 7th, 2006, 05:52 PM
Me, too. :D

Did anyone else wonder why they sent the archaeologist back to the planet to handle the technical bits and not Super-Sam? :confused:


Well, I would rather have Danny~boy trying to find the right frequincy, :danielanime13: then Jack :jack_new15: . Wouldn't you? ;)

Dani347
January 7th, 2006, 05:53 PM
Okay, I am now officially starving for a real live team episode off-world where the whole team goes through the gate and believe or not they stay together as a team.

YES!

chocdoc
January 7th, 2006, 05:54 PM
I've no clue why I find it all so boring. I have since day one, and I'm not sure if it's because Teal'c as a character doesn't interest me much on his own or what. I like him fine when he's with the team; loved Cor'Ai and Changeling. I simply don't care about the Jaffa Nation. Which is why it's boring to me, I guess.

Although.... for THIS episode, I agree with you: the Jaffa parts *were* the best part of the show.

Dana Jeanne


I'm with you on this one. I find the Jaffa nation storyline boring this season and often in the past. I find Teal'c much more interesting when he is doing something other than this like Changeling, Avatar, or Sacrifices, or like you say, when he is with the team.

But the Jaffa parts in this episode were the best parts, except I did like the last scene alot with Orlin and Sam.

Hatusu
January 7th, 2006, 06:03 PM
Do you mean in the rest home? I think she was putting on a brave front. He was there, not knowing that he had lost his memories, not knowing that there was anything to be upset about. He was pretty content. Then, if this stranger (because that's what Sam was to him by then) came and got emotional over him, it might upset him and scare him, because he wouldn't know why.
I agree. I think Sam would have shown her emotions only when she was alone for a moment, maybe right before she entered the room.

Johnquixote
January 7th, 2006, 06:08 PM
maybe they shouldn't have made jack head of homeworld security if they were going to ignore his position in eps that the plot allowed for. (what a crappy sentence :p did anyone understand it?)




sally :)
I got it!
I see where your coming from. It makes me wonder what Jack is actually doing behind the scenes. Its really frustrating, they could have replaced the Landry/Lam bit with a perfectly decent explanation of what Jack's doing. Though the explanation belonged in Avalon part one.

Dani347
January 7th, 2006, 06:08 PM
So, maybe a scene right before she walks in, where she closes her eyes, takes a deep breath, and then walks in. That way, you could see her composing herself. Something like that?

eta: this was directed to Hatusu wrt the comment about Sam showing some emotion regarding Orlin.

Johnquixote
January 7th, 2006, 06:12 PM
Me, too. :D

Did anyone else wonder why they sent the archaeologist back to the planet to handle the technical bits and not Super-Sam? :confused:
Sam was behind the scenes doing the scientist thing if you think about it. Daniel isn't exactly capable of helping Orlin process the cure, but he can click a few buttons on a remote. Sam belonged at the SGC, helping Orlin and commanding in Landry's absence.

Hatusu
January 7th, 2006, 06:16 PM
So, maybe a scene right before she walks in, where she closes her eyes, takes a deep breath, and then walks in. That way, you could see her composing herself. Something like that?
Yes. Usually it would be a scene with Dr. Frazier, but I don't see that happening with Lam.

chocdoc
January 7th, 2006, 06:23 PM
Sam was behind the scenes doing the scientist thing if you think about it. Daniel isn't exactly capable of helping Orlin process the cure, but he can click a few buttons on a remote. Sam belonged at the SGC, helping Orlin and commanding in Landry's absence.


Very good points. And yes, it was important to have Sam be in command when Landry was off-world, as we saw when Teal'c and Garak came through the gate.

Hatusu
January 7th, 2006, 06:35 PM
This is my emotional reaction to this episode. Sweet relief.

I liked very little in the first half of the season. I had been looking forward to the 2nd half of the season and dreading it at the same time. With this episode, I could sit back and enjoy the show without cringing at excessive awkwardness and excruciatingly bad jokes.

As Darren said, there was too much telling instead of doing, but overall it kept my interest and felt right. I was starting to think "Stargate SG1" was gone for good and a show that I didn't like much had replaced it.
Maybe not.

binkpmmc
January 7th, 2006, 07:49 PM
speaking of hammond; did anyone else get the feeling that don s davis wasn't really in the room with them when they filmed the 'good job, mitchell, for getting the band back together' scene? it felt off (like the jack-daniel scene in ? when jack told daniel he was hungry).



sally :)

I absolutely felt this way. This was one of the most uncomfortable scenes of the show, right behind the Lam/Landry debacle. I definitely thought that they were not together when it was filemd. Here is Hammond who they, Sam and Daniel, worked with for 8 years and they clearly had not seen him in awhile and they didn't even approach him or shake his hand or hug him or anything that even came close to friendship and respect of the kind we saw between them for so many years. Once again, TPTB writers seem incapable of showing them acting as if they even know each other well never mind a group of people that spent 8 years of their lives together saving each others behinds (and Hammond saved their skins more than once if I recall several eps correctly) as well as the worlds' and the galaxys' behinds more than a dozen times over. Very poorly written and horrible that if they were in the room together it felt as if they were not and it felt forced and unnatural just like a lot of the show lately.

binkpmmc
January 7th, 2006, 07:58 PM
IOkay, I am now officially starving for a real live team episode off-world where the whole team goes through the gate and believe or not they stay together as a team.

Yes, yes, yes to the team episode where they are actually all in the same place at the same time working on the same thing - what a refreshing concept!!

PG15
January 7th, 2006, 08:34 PM
With the telling-and-not-showing thing: Stargate DESPERATELY needs a bigger budget!! :tealcanime22:

Agent_Dark
January 7th, 2006, 08:40 PM
With the telling-and-not-showing thing: Stargate DESPERATELY needs a bigger budget!! :tealcanime22:
No... just better writing ;)

Skythe
January 7th, 2006, 09:44 PM
Overall i liked the ep.

The most hilarious part, when the Orii went to summon his staff from Mitchells hands and he sort of went 'whoosh' hahah and pulled it back as a joke. Over your head orii! That whole scene i enjoyed very much, it was nice how Landry got Orlin to talk to the prior.

There was a couple of parts of the episode i felt unnecessary.
Hammond coming into the room didn't really seem to have a purpose, other than 'thanks for getting the band back together'. I was waiting for him to reveal some defining information about something happening with the stargate program.

I'm already bored with the family problems (storyline) between Landry/Lam. I realise tptb are trying to use this, to i don't know, make us feel more connected to them or something when they eventually reunite, but its really quite boring and either needs to resolved quickly, or they need to pull a ford on Lam. (haha orii lam).

It annoyed me how carter kept coming in to check on Orlin. It's already been emphasized how much she cares for him. The end sequence was quite neccesary however. Maybe shes going to adopt him :D Haha an SG1 adoption family, with mini/cloneJack, Cassandra and Orlin :p

I was suprised how they ended up curing the plague, i thought they'd load missiles that they used for the symbiote poisoning *shrugs*.

I kept screaming 'callll the asgard' with regards to orlin's memory problems. Would have helped alot. Speaking of which, i want to see the asgard and how the tok'ra are doing heh.

I'm interested to see how the uber jaffa (sorry forget their name) are going to play out as an ally. It would be nice if Sg1 didn't get beaten up every time they came. Also i wanted the orii on their planet to be converted. An orii as a recurring character would be cool.
and yeah. Thats my 10 cents.

Seshat
January 7th, 2006, 10:00 PM
Sam was behind the scenes doing the scientist thing if you think about it. Daniel isn't exactly capable of helping Orlin process the cure, but he can click a few buttons on a remote. Sam belonged at the SGC, helping Orlin and commanding in Landry's absence.
Yes, I got that, but she (or another super-technie) seemed more appropriate to that portion of the mission IMO. I mean, this is Daniel, the man who usually pushes buttons by accident and says, "oops, that was me." I realize using Daniel there was keeping him in the scene (and I like looking at MS as much as the next gal, mind you), I just felt he was not the logical best choice. Or even second best choice. Oh, you get what I mean. ;)

All the characters seem to have morphed into being able to do anything... Super!SG1 :D

majorsal
January 7th, 2006, 10:13 PM
Yes, I got that, but she (or another super-technie) seemed more appropriate to that portion of the mission IMO. I mean, this is Daniel, the man who usually pushes buttons by accident and says, "oops, that was me." I realize using Daniel there was keeping him in the scene (and I like looking at MS as much as the next gal, mind you), I just felt he was not the logical best choice. Or even second best choice. Oh, you get what I mean. ;)

All the characters seem to have morphed into being able to do anything... Super!SG1 :D

or maybe not sg1 morphing into doing other duties as much as giving the new characters their duties to begin with. :rolleyes:



sally :)

Dani347
January 7th, 2006, 11:48 PM
Yes, I got that, but she (or another super-technie) seemed more appropriate to that portion of the mission IMO. I mean, this is Daniel, the man who usually pushes buttons by accident and says, "oops, that was me." I realize using Daniel there was keeping him in the scene (and I like looking at MS as much as the next gal, mind you), I just felt he was not the logical best choice. Or even second best choice. Oh, you get what I mean. ;)

All the characters seem to have morphed into being able to do anything... Super!SG1 :D

But, is it really super to push buttons? I think Daniel could have been better used, and it would make more sense for Sam to do that kind of thing, but just because it was techie, not because it was super techie. I mean, if they had shown what went in to creating the device, that would be more on Sam's level of expertise than Daniel's. But, if someone had just said (I'm picturing it) to press this combination to lower the frequency and this combination to raise it, until it got the right level, or however it worked, that it didn't take a super techie to do that once it was explained. It just seems that if after all these years that he should be trusted not to push buttons accidentally. Or, it makes it seem like he's a puppy who just can't be house trained. I think it wasn't the best use of him in the episode, but not because the task was above his head.

valaCB
January 8th, 2006, 12:09 AM
Just wanted to add that this is the worst episode of the season, for me, in terms of missing Jack. I feel like even RDA's limited presence in this one would have made Fourth Horseman play much better. It would have added weight to the whole disaster on Earth, and I can't help but think that those scenes offworld with the Prior would have played really great with Jack there. Instead I feel like they wrote the scene how they normally would have with Jack and just gave his parts to Mitchell. And, alas, Mitchell does not have the character depth or cynicism to pull off that special Stargate brand of humor.
I've just finish watched the epi and i feel the same about THIS episode :S
I hope next week will be better.

DEM
January 8th, 2006, 05:41 AM
That did really bother me, GateFan. Since when is Sam a Biochemist?
It's likely someone has already addressed this, but: Sam wasn't really doing anything with Orlin other than babysitting him. She, herself, wasn't working on the biochemistry of the cure. When she offered to put the cure (or vaccine, or whatever the heck the sloppy writers called it) together in case of his death, I think it was a matter of running computer models... or something.

Okay, I'm reaching on that last part, I know. The fact remains, Sam was just there to "keep Orlin company"... much the same way Daniel's role was to keep Mitchell company. :rolleyes:

But wait!

Sam belonged at the SGC, helping Orlin and commanding in Landry's absence. -Johnquixote
Yes! 'commanding in Landry's absence': I'll go with that. Too bad they didn't SHOW that. (did they?) If I had to keep to the actual scripted events, I would have preferred for the writer to use one of AT's days to show Carter (not Landry) bringing Orlin to the planet, and Daniel delivering the impassioned speech (but not at that Rapid-fire speed that MS seems to have gotten stuck in).

Dream-a-Little
January 8th, 2006, 05:47 AM
Big improvement over Fourth Horseman Part I.

The good:

Lovely outing for Teal'c, especially loved his "old man" scene with Brat'ac and his graveside scene with Garak. Really nice to see him have so much to do!

Loved the entire Mitchell/Daniel/Prior segment. The boys had more than earned their right to put the prior in his place. I really enjoyed seeing them do so. BB and MS have great chemistry and the pie crust line was one of the best one liners so far this year. They also actually manged to put a little action here in our sci fi action adventure show.

The Hammond hand off was done waaaay better than the RDA hand off. Sweet scene with Hammond telling Daniel, Mitchell and Sam to look out for each other.

The bad:

There was no sense of real threat from the Ori plague in part I and part II does nothing to change that. I realize that this probably is more about budget and time restraints than bad writing. But, if you don't have the time and budget to make something effective, just don't go there.

Orlin's monotone line deliveries were really bad in part I and only slightly better here.

Way too much talking and not enough doing.

AGateFan
January 8th, 2006, 05:52 AM
But, is it really super to push buttons? I think Daniel could have been better used, and it would make more sense for Sam to do that kind of thing, but just because it was techie, not because it was super techie. I mean, if they had shown what went in to creating the device, that would be more on Sam's level of expertise than Daniel's. But, if someone had just said (I'm picturing it) to press this combination to lower the frequency and this combination to raise it, until it got the right level, or however it worked, that it didn't take a super techie to do that once it was explained. It just seems that if after all these years that he should be trusted not to push buttons accidentally. Or, it makes it seem like he's a puppy who just can't be house trained. I think it wasn't the best use of him in the episode, but not because the task was above his head.
Heres a thought... why did he have to push a "series of buttons" shoudnt you have, like, an up\down arrow like you have on radios to easily move from one frequency to another. Maybe make a little automation, you push one button and the machine automatically tries the next combination, you can hit "continue" to go to the next frequency or hit "lock" to stay right where you are. Pretty sure this type of program would take only a short time to write for the techies at the SGC.

Basically they had nothing for Daniel to do in this ep so they said... hey lets have him push some buttons so he can look busy while CM gets waxed by the prior.

Oops... that definitly should have gone in the Anti thread. Or a science and tech thread. Or a Anti bad science and tech thread... Ok I will stop this now I promise.(the postscripts that is, not my opinion)