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langdonboom
July 17th, 2004, 04:38 PM
So, maybe I just missed something in Lost City 1 & 2, or they didn't explain it all the way, but can anybody remind me/tell me how Daniel had the coordinates he had on the marker board BEFORE he added the 8th symbol?

Were those the coordinates from the 'end' of the gatelist that O'neill downloaded into the SGC computers the first time he was 'head-sucked' and that Jonas guessed would be the lost city?

I'm thinking no, since those were coordinates to a local-galaxy planet, not an 8 symbol address.

Also -- HOW the heck did they figure out the 8th symbol?? That seemed like a pretty important discovery. Though I suppose we are to assume that Daniel and McKay and everybody has been going through the Antarctic outpost computers??

Really, I have no idea how they got the Atlantis gate address, the first 7 symbols, let alone the additional 8th one.

Anyone?

Mith
July 17th, 2004, 04:51 PM
that tablet thing that daniel was 'dreaming' about in that one Season 7 episode.. Chimera?

DownFallAngel
July 17th, 2004, 05:18 PM
After exploring the oputpost they came across a few set of gate coordinates, as you saw, there were about 4 sets on Daniel's blackboard.

8 chevrons= 7 points in sapce, 6 being a planet, 1 being a new galaxy, and 1 being the point of origin. THis was first discovered in The Fifth Race, when jack did it to contact the Asgard. it was also used again in Point of View.

uknesvuinng
July 17th, 2004, 08:46 PM
I'm wondering where they found the address to dial back to Atlantis once they were in Pegasus, since the symbols are now Pegasus constellations. It was probably in an easy to find spot, but it would have been nice to have a little scene with McKay looking at a monitor saying "OK, this is where we are."

EYU86
July 17th, 2004, 08:49 PM
Yea, they said that everytime someone with the Ancient gene sat in the chair, they discovered new information about the Ancients.

langdonboom
July 18th, 2004, 03:30 PM
Dreamed?.

It can't be what he 'dreamed' since he finally realized he didn't know and never knew. So that ain't it.

Did they ever SAY anywhere that those sets of gate addresses on Daniel's board were from the studying they've been doing at the Antarctic site?

All I remember him saying is "so far we thought we had a set of coordinates" or something like that. I was assuming it was some earlier episode i just blanked on.

It wasn't given to them by Jack during his ancient-knowldge days, since the address he gave was to the good-ZPM planet to make the Earth weapon work. Not to the Lost City.

SO WHERE DID THEY GET THE ADDRESS??

Still wondering.

Erik Pasternak
July 18th, 2004, 04:47 PM
I'm wondering where they found the address to dial back to Atlantis once they were in Pegasus, since the symbols are now Pegasus constellations. It was probably in an easy to find spot, but it would have been nice to have a little scene with McKay looking at a monitor saying "OK, this is where we are."I would assume that each symbol on a Milky Way gate has a corresponding symbol on a Pegasus gate, and all the Atlantis team has to do is convert the coordinates they dialed from Earth (after eliminating the extra chevron used for intergalactic travel). Presumably, a similar method is used to determine how to dial back to Earth from Atlantis.

Funaho
July 19th, 2004, 09:13 AM
It was probably not too hard to figure out givent that they had access to the "address book" of the city's dialing computer. It was probably one of the only (if not THE only) eight-symbol address in the list. We know there is also a hub in the Ida galaxy but that one may have been added after Atlantis was abandoned and so it might not be in the city's computer.

You know, we may be misinterpreting the use of the eighth chevron. We've usually been assuming that it was a sort of "1+area code" dialing system to dial planets outside our own galaxy, but maybe the eighth chevron actually completely changes the meaning of the first six to indicate a specific galactic "hub" instead of a planet. To travel between galaxies you travel between hubs and then hop off locally from there, much like taking an international flight to a small country and then picking up a local commuter flight from there to your final destination. A galaxy would only have one (or a small number of) hubs; this would mean that the six chevrons would allow for a VERY large gate system indeed. Plus it would mean the gate system would not need to try to track the stellar drift between two arbitrary gates in galaxies millions of light-years apart.

EYU86
July 19th, 2004, 09:17 AM
It can't be what he 'dreamed' since he finally realized he didn't know and never knew. So that ain't it.

Did they ever SAY anywhere that those sets of gate addresses on Daniel's board were from the studying they've been doing at the Antarctic site?

All I remember him saying is "so far we thought we had a set of coordinates" or something like that. I was assuming it was some earlier episode i just blanked on.

It wasn't given to them by Jack during his ancient-knowldge days, since the address he gave was to the good-ZPM planet to make the Earth weapon work. Not to the Lost City.

SO WHERE DID THEY GET THE ADDRESS??

Still wondering.
Noooo, at the beginning of SGA, someone stated that everytime someone sat in the Ancient chair, more secrets about the Ancients were discovered. Maybe thats how the address was found.

aschen
July 19th, 2004, 09:31 AM
I'm wondering where they found the address to dial back to Atlantis once they were in Pegasus, since the symbols are now Pegasus constellations. It was probably in an easy to find spot, but it would have been nice to have a little scene with McKay looking at a monitor saying "OK, this is where we are."

I think it's safe to assume that all Pegasus gates have such long addy's. See the gates in the Milky Way (ya know, I really hate that name) are all old. They were probably created way before the Ancients even thought about going to other galaxy's through the network. The newer gate system, which includes the Asgard and Pegasus galaxy must have been upgraded to differentiate between different galaxy's and their inherent planets. :cool:

EYU86
July 19th, 2004, 09:34 AM
I think it's safe to assume that all Pegasus gates have such long addy's. See the gates in the Milky Way (ya know, I really hate that name) are all old. They were probably created way before the Ancients even thought about going to other galaxy's through the network. The newer gate system, which includes the Asgard and Pegasus galaxy must have been upgraded to differentiate between different galaxy's and their inherent planets. :cool:
I think the Ancients accounted for future expanse when they built the older gates. Thus the reason for the 2 additional chevrons. They were put there for a "just in case" situation that the gate network would expand much further.

aAnubiSs
July 19th, 2004, 09:42 AM
They must have found the Atlantis address in that same database.

VirtualCLD
July 19th, 2004, 09:44 AM
Spoilers, in general I think










You know, reading through a lot of this, I have a question someone else asked somewhere along the way, but I don't remember where. How does the 8th Chevron really work? We thought that you gave it the destination coordinates and then a distance factor (the area code or 8th Cevron), but does it act more like a shift or control key and change the meaning of the first 6 symbols?

Does each galaxy have a hub gate, i.e. when you dial Pegasus, can you only go to the Atlantis gate or can you go to any gate? I would think this would be hard to do since each galaxy is spining around really Really fast and the position of the stars in one galaxy, with reference to another galaxy, are changing constantly. If you look at stars within our own galaxy, their position is relatively fixed. If you look at another galaxy, that galaxy by itself will also appear fixed in terms of position, but it's still spinning around that "fixed" position. If you had a designated hub gate, than each galaxy would have it's own single address and that's it. That way, you would have to worry about getting a lock on a specific coordinate inside the destination galaxy.

aAnubiSs
July 19th, 2004, 09:48 AM
All gates within a galaxy probably have a 7 system (6+PoO). Then we don't know how no. 8 works. It could be that 8 is another galaxy. That would give them 38 possible other galaxies. It could be that 8 and 9 works together, if 9 isn't entered it goes with 8. That would allow 1444 galaxies. If it is a shift tangent we have ALOT more galaxies to choose from :)

aschen
July 19th, 2004, 09:49 AM
I think the Ancients accounted for future expanse when they built the older gates. Thus the reason for the 2 additional chevrons. They were put there for a "just in case" situation that the gate network would expand much further.

Well foresight goes a long way when you're doing a project of such massive proportion, doesn't it?

I can definetely agree with you on that though. :D

aAnubiSs
July 19th, 2004, 09:50 AM
I also agree that the Ancients knew they were gonna do inter-galaxy networks.

Funaho
July 19th, 2004, 09:55 AM
You know, reading through a lot of this, I have a question someone else asked somewhere along the way, but I don't remember where. How does the 8th Chevron really work? We thought that you gave it the destination coordinates and then a distance factor (the area code or 8th Cevron), but does it act more like a shift or control key and change the meaning of the first 6 symbols?


That was me a few posts back. :) I think about this stuff WAY too much. I'm now starting to think about putting together my own detailed "Theory of Stargate Addressing".

The "shift" key theory, IMHO, is the best fit. The Ancients thought big. Really big. I'm sure in their grandiose plans they envisionsed a stargate system spanning the entire universe...millions of galaxies, each with millions of planets. Cramming that all into a single address would make the addresses huge, and remember they expected the younger races to use the gates too so it was in their best interest to keep the system as simple as possible.

SquidKing
February 3rd, 2007, 08:28 PM
so do we have an answer to the original question or just theorys?

I'm leaning towards finding the Atlantis coordinates in the outpost database/computer/thingamyjig-

BUT- if thats the case SURELY it would have had the 8th symbol too?

Commander Ivanova
February 4th, 2007, 07:10 AM
How many threads are there on this topic? See the following.

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=6284788#post6284788

Look up Omnipedia under 'Lost City'

Ranlier
February 4th, 2007, 07:31 AM
I think that before defining the "extra" (seventh, not eighth, in an eight-glyph sequence), we should define what the PoO is for.

If the Ancients did in fact plan on having eight and/or nine chevron addresses, it makes sense that they programmed the PoO not only as a coordinate, but also as a "send" key- so that the gate system could properly interpret the symbol sequence according to its input number.

Its also worth considering that the eight symbol addresses could possibly be pre-programmed. It would make sense to simplify intergalactic travel by only making two specific gates possible to make the galactic connection, so that dialing "Pegasus Galaxy" (a pre-programmed eight-chevron address) automatically seeks the Atlantis Gate, regardless of location.

We have only seen one gate in the Milky Way (Earth's- former site of Ancient capital) able to connect to other galaxies, in each case only one planet, either Othalla (Asgard Capital) or Atlantis (Lantian Capital). Its possible that these worlds were pre-progammed as specific destinations to facilitate intergalactic gating, rather than allowing every gate in the 'verse to connect to any other.

talyn2k1
February 4th, 2007, 12:25 PM
I think that before defining the "extra" (seventh, not eighth, in an eight-glyph sequence), we should define what the PoO is for.

If the Ancients did in fact plan on having eight and/or nine chevron addresses, it makes sense that they programmed the PoO not only as a coordinate, but also as a "send" key- so that the gate system could properly interpret the symbol sequence according to its input number.

Its also worth considering that the eight symbol addresses could possibly be pre-programmed. It would make sense to simplify intergalactic travel by only making two specific gates possible to make the galactic connection, so that dialing "Pegasus Galaxy" (a pre-programmed eight-chevron address) automatically seeks the Atlantis Gate, regardless of location.

We have only seen one gate in the Milky Way (Earth's- former site of Ancient capital) able to connect to other galaxies, in each case only one planet, either Othalla (Asgard Capital) or Atlantis (Lantian Capital). Its possible that these worlds were pre-progammed as specific destinations to facilitate intergalactic gating, rather than allowing every gate in the 'verse to connect to any other.

Your standard DHD is not designed to handle an 8-chevron address.
The only reason that we know of for why Atlantis and Earth are the only planets that can dial intergalactic are because neither of them have standard DHDs.

As we learnt in 'Home' Atlantis' dialling crystal facilitates the use of the 8th chevron, putting the crystal in any other DHD allows it to dial intergalactic but the standard crystal in a DHD is not capable of it.

Earth, as we all know, use their own custom made dialling computer which was modified to allow use of an 8th chevron by O'Neill in 'The Fifth Race'.

So theoretically any gate can dial out, and presumably be dialled in from, an intergalactic address as long as the DHD either has a specially designed dialling crystal or uses our own ad hoc dialling software.

Ranlier
February 7th, 2007, 04:23 AM
So you're agreeing that only one gate in each galaxy is "meant" for extragalactic dialing?