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ThatGuyPSU
July 17th, 2004, 08:23 AM
Check out Virgina Heffer's take on Atlantis

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/16/arts/television/16HEFF.html

People like her shouldn't be allowed to review Sci-Fi. She obviously doesn't get it. I think her mailbox needs flooding.

=T=

puddlejumper747
July 17th, 2004, 08:33 AM
Could you possibly cut and paste the article to this thread?
It won't let me view it without registering, and I'm too lazy to do so. :D

ThatGuyPSU
July 17th, 2004, 08:37 AM
TV REVIEW | 'STARGATE ATLANTIS'

Atlantis Mystery Is Solved; Now, About the Wormhole
By VIRGINIA HEFFERNAN

Published: July 16, 2004

In the time of the ancient Greeks, it turns out, human beings pervaded the universe, exploring distant galaxies until they encountered some evil beings who drove them back to a final redoubt, the lost city of Atlantis.

Cornered in Atlantis, the ancient humans left a single wormhole in space and time, or whatever, that would allow them passage back to Earth. In the present day the hole has been discovered by people who pass through it to loot technology from Atlantis, which is in a galaxy called Pegasus and, as the travelers soon discover, about to collapse because the force field that keeps the ocean around it at bay will soon give way. What's worse, some vampiric enemies, the Wraiths, who threaten the kindly Atlantis natives, seem to want to get their hands on the humans — now!

If such brainy counterfactuals, coupled with dialogue like "Do we have an identification code?" appeal to you, you may be vulnerable to the charms of "Stargate Atlantis," a densely produced series that starts tonight on the Sci-Fi Channel.

"Stargate Atlantis" is billed as a companion series to the channel's venerable "Stargate SG-1," which started its eighth season last week. "Companion series" sounds perilously like spinoff, but "Stargate" terminology is to be respected. Whatever the case, the new show focuses on the old show's Dr. Elizabeth Weir (Torri Higginson); other characters, like Dr. Rodney McKay (David Hewlett), also cross over.

Tonight's two-hour season opener is tedious. The interiors — an Antarctica set and the Atlantis set — are heavy on Art Deco game-show décor, and the shadowless tableaus make even the live-action sequences look computer-generated. Ms. Higginson, who appears at ease on "Stargate SG-1," is unaccountably wooden, even drawn-looking, on "Stargate Atlantis."

The joshing in Atlantis is not funny, and the ragtag locals, one of whom looks like Jennifer Lopez, are inscrutable, though maybe they'll become more expressive. The relationship between proper Dr. Weir and her maverick partner, Maj. John Sheppard (Joe Flanigan), creaks under a heavy cliché that suggests the captain and McBain on "The Simpsons." (Captain: "In this department we go by the book." McBain: "Bye, book.")

It's possible, however, that the show's lavish special effects, along with its privileged place as part of the "Stargate" franchise, will win the show some instant fans tonight. And if those fans support the show as it develops, and sci-fi fans typically do, "Stargate Atlantis," too, will one day enter season eight, and its dull pilot episode will be a nothing more than a relic of our own unenlightened time.

STARGATE ATLANTIS
Rising

Sci-Fi Channel, tonight at 9, Eastern and Pacific times; 8, Central time.

Brad Wright and Robert C. Cooper, executive producers and writers; N. John Smith, co-executive producer; Martin Wood, co-producer and director; Andy Mikita, Peter DeLuise, Mario Azzopardi, Brad Turner, David Warry-Smith, David Winning and Holly Dale, directors; Michael Blundell and Breton Spencer, directors of photography.

WITH: Joe Flanigan (Maj. John Sheppard), Torri Higginson (Dr. Elizabeth Weir), David Hewlett (Dr. Rodney McKay), Rachel Luttrell (Teyla), Rainbow Sun Francks (Lt. Aiden Ford), Paul McGillion (Dr. Beckett), Craig Veroni (Peter Grodin), Richard Dean Anderson (Gen. Jack O'Neill) and Robert Patrick (Col. Marshall Sumner).

Mio
July 17th, 2004, 08:40 AM
"Cornered in Atlantis, the ancient humans left a single wormhole in space and time, or whatever, that would allow them passage back to Earth."


She should be shot.

aAnubiSs
July 17th, 2004, 08:42 AM
She shows a great understanding of the show. She must have carefully listened to every line in the episode.

Mio
July 17th, 2004, 08:43 AM
<staggers> too...much....sarcasm.... <dies>

ThatGuyPSU
July 17th, 2004, 08:46 AM
I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion. To that end, I make two requests...

1) Have an EDUCATED opinion
2) Get someone that at least appreciates science fiction for fok's sake.

Mio
July 17th, 2004, 08:50 AM
I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion. To that end, I make two requests...

1) Have an EDUCATED opinion
2) Get someone that at least appreciates science fiction for fok's sake.
Or will actually WATCH the show? I'm willing to bet that she was balancing her checkbook or something while watching it.

IWantToBelieve
July 17th, 2004, 08:56 AM
We should write a rebuttal regarding her article. The trite cliches, the droll sense of humor...oh wait, that won't work, because I actually read her article...and I don't think she knows or watches much if any sci-fi.

aAnubiSs
July 17th, 2004, 08:59 AM
One could think that they would do some research, IE watch stargate before writing an article. Atleast that's what serious journalists do :)

puddlejumper747
July 17th, 2004, 09:27 AM
<staggers> too...much....sarcasm.... <dies>
:D :D She should be shot. :D :D

You mean AFTER we feed her to the Wraith, right?? :D

Mio
July 17th, 2004, 09:27 AM
Naturally :)

ChopinGal
July 17th, 2004, 09:35 AM
:rolleyes: NY Times "critics" seem to be in their own alternate universe at times - I've seen this happen before with other dramas/plays in which the critic just doesn't "get it". Funny, she looked at a fairly unknown actress and saw "Jennifer Lopez" - puhleeze :( - I saw an interesting and intelligent portrayal of a new character. Perhaps the NY Times should invest in some boxed DVD sets of SG-1 as a primer for their reviewers ;)

darman
July 17th, 2004, 12:10 PM
isn't the new york times the same paper where had that guy that was making up stories? you'd think after that scandal they would be more careful

Manic
July 17th, 2004, 12:23 PM
I found that article more funny than offensive. Her lack of understanding amuses me. I mean, I know the story behind Atlantis (because I actually watch the episode), and her explaination lacked so much cohesion that I actually got confused. Quite sad.

puddlejumper747
July 17th, 2004, 01:10 PM
I found that article more funny than offensive. Her lack of understanding amuses me. I mean, I know the story behind Atlantis (because I actually watch the episode), and her explaination lacked so much cohesion that I actually got confused. Quite sad.
That's exactly it!! :D

Jonas Quinn
July 17th, 2004, 01:18 PM
If such brainy counterfactuals, coupled with dialogue like "Do we have an identification code?" appeal to you, you may be vulnerable to the charms of "Stargate Atlantis," a densely produced series that starts tonight on the Sci-Fi Channel.

"Do we have an indentification code" is not just some corny line! It's a very functional and necessary line. Heffernan obviously knows nothing about the Stargate franchise. She needs to do her homework.

Mio
July 17th, 2004, 01:40 PM
"Do we have an indentification code" is not just some corny line! It's a very functional and necessary line. Heffernan obviously knows nothing about the Stargate franchise. She needs to do her homework.
Please. That's probably the only line of the show she actually listened to, and had to include it because she didn't want to look like an idiot. (even though she failed miserably at that)

Nolamom
July 17th, 2004, 02:04 PM
In the present day the hole has been discovered by people who pass through it to loot technology from Atlantis, which is in a galaxy called Pegasus and, as the travelers soon discover, about to collapse because the force field that keeps the ocean around it at bay will soon give way.
Let's see the team is there to "loot" technology? Hmmm. She's in love with commas, you have to give her that. Talk about a run-on sentence! I agree with what some others have said - she could have, at the very least, WATCHED an episode.

aAnubiSs
July 17th, 2004, 02:06 PM
She will probably turn in next week just to proove she was right, and she falls in love with the show right away.

puddlejumper747
July 18th, 2004, 01:10 PM
She will probably turn in next week just to proove she was right, and she falls in love with the show right away.
Yea, I wish! That would be really funny! :D
But it still could happen... someday... maybe... not... ;) :(
Her message clearly comes across as an "I was forced to do a review for this show that I never wanted to watch in the first place, and I wouldn't be paid if I didn't do it, so I just typed the first few things that popped into my mind during the first half of the show" type article. She doesn't even portray the actual storyline fairly / accurately enough for someone who has never seen it before and might actually be interested in watching it!

Persephone
July 18th, 2004, 02:26 PM
Honestly, I have a hard time respecting the opinion of ANY professional writer who can't even bother with decent grammar. I agree with everybody who said her descriptions and explanations were confusing.

I mean, I re-read the first sentence three times, for crying out loud, trying to figure out why it struck me as wrong (Commas aren't my strong point, but I think there's a splice in the first part of it-- Even if its not, there are about twenty ways I can think of offhand to say the same thing only better).

Manic
July 18th, 2004, 03:11 PM
In the time of the ancient Greeks, it turns out, human beings pervaded the universe, exploring distant galaxies until they encountered some evil beings who drove them back to a final redoubt, the lost city of Atlantis.
Wow. A semi-collon or two couldn't hurt.


Cornered in Atlantis, the ancient humans left a single wormhole in space and time, or whatever, that would allow them passage back to Earth.
"or whatever"? Oh yeah, she sure knows what she's talking about.


The relationship between proper Dr. Weir and her maverick partner, Maj. John Sheppard (Joe Flanigan), creaks under a heavy cliché that suggests the captain and McBain on "The Simpsons." (Captain: "In this department we go by the book." McBain: "Bye, book.")
This would be a good point, if there were a book to go by. With them stranded on Atlantis, Weir has no one to answer to, and both she and Sheppard are going by instinct.


That's why this is so hard to take seriously. She has no idea what she's talking about.