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professor_griff
July 16th, 2004, 07:23 PM
OK, they get to Atlantis and 2 seconds after they arrive they find "English" speaking Holo-Ancient-Lady yet in episodes of SG-1 where Jack is used as a floppy disk for Ancient knowledge he understands English but does not speak it?

The info Holo-Lady gives isn't really that relevant at the time and may have been more interesting if she spoke the message in Ancient... Give them something to work for..

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:25 PM
You forget the city has universal translators....

the adventurer
July 16th, 2004, 07:26 PM
The Asgard have Translation technology. The Ancient computers probibly heard the SGC people talking, got a translation and broadcast the message in english.


Now how TEYLA and her people speak English, that's when the "Ignore it because it's TV" needs to kick in.

Mio
July 16th, 2004, 07:27 PM
yet in episodes of SG-1 where Jack is used as a floppy disk for Ancient knowledge
ha, I love that. ::g::

professor_griff
July 16th, 2004, 07:28 PM
Yeah but still universal translators aside I'd still like to hear some Ancient!

Mio
July 16th, 2004, 07:30 PM
Maybe we'll accidentally break them one episode, and have to translate ancient for 45 minutes.

BORING!

professor_griff
July 16th, 2004, 07:40 PM
You just expect one thing and get another and it kinda sucks, I mean they could of got some 12 year old hacker to d/l some pirated software from Torrent via longrange internet patched through the universal translator into the ancient computer and it would have been a bit more interesting then
"Hello welcome to Atlantis would you like fries with your message of impending doom?"

other then that seems like it may not be that bad of a spin off..

KayMan2k
July 16th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Now how TEYLA and her people speak English, that's the "Ignore it because it's TV" needs to kick in.

Sheppard's mobile remote unit (tricorder) from the puddle jumper. Perhaps it can also act as a translator -OR- perhaps Teyla has her own. They do have technology, such as laser lighter.

FieryHands
July 16th, 2004, 08:14 PM
Well, for years its been pondered how SG-1 can travel from world to world and keep encountering english speaking people. Probably Teyla's people either have the technology themselves--they did mention they've made contact with others for trade, or that something was left over from their ancestors that allow for it. The hologram speaking English was alarming but like previously stated, probably translated automatically as soon as they arrived. It wouldn't be too fun for descendents to come back to the city speaking another language, would it?

professor_griff
July 16th, 2004, 08:22 PM
Yeah the Unas race was really the only race throughout the SG1 seasons to have entire episodes without two sided english speaking parties I guess to many people complained about that...

diek
July 16th, 2004, 09:31 PM
I remember reading that the producers didn't want to have to worry about language barriers. They said that if they had to tackle the language barrier in each episode, the whole series would be a big linguistics class and thus, no fun stuff like gun fights, temporal paradoxes, technological finds and not as many allies. Personally, I like that they only use alien langauges when it reinforces the story line i.e. Umas.

professor_griff
July 16th, 2004, 09:35 PM
I just would of expected that at least the Hologram spoke Ancient considering nothing in the Earth's gate system spoke English or (was written in it) the hologram could have been deciphered for a more realistic effect.

EYU86
July 16th, 2004, 09:38 PM
Plus how would Ancients know english since they died way before humans lived. I mean the Asgard live in our time so, their translators would work, but the Ancients died/ascended long, long, long, long... long ago.

professor_griff
July 16th, 2004, 09:44 PM
The ascended ancients did speak english Oma de sala spoke it to Daniel to help him ascend but still doesn't explian the rest considering the times when jack spoke just Ancient .

it's just tv...it's just tv....it's just tv...this stuff will drive you nuts if you think about it to long..

EYU86
July 16th, 2004, 09:52 PM
Damn straight it'll drive you crazy.
I never said the ascended Ancients didn't speak English.
I said the pre-dead/ascended ancients lived in a time where English didn't exist... also Humans didn't exist.

professor_griff
July 16th, 2004, 09:56 PM
sorry I didn't mean it like that It was posed more like a question/statement..

just one contradicts the other she spoke english but jack couldn't more loop holes.... :S

EYU86
July 16th, 2004, 10:00 PM
My head hurts, I'll probably black out like y...
DID
Wow, almost hap...

professor_griff
July 16th, 2004, 10:10 PM
what, what where am I...

vortexes, event horizons, particle generating reticular ion subspace vacuum cleaners.....


*warning brain melt down* need to recharge my ZPM

Hyperspace
July 16th, 2004, 10:55 PM
I did wonder about that language issue...with the Atlantis hologram it is plausible they could have translators, but with Teyla's people it is too convenient...of course English is spoken by the people of Abydos, to some degree (but being a relative newbie to SG-1, I don't know whether they were taught or something, but I remember in Stargate the movie they spoke 'gibberish').

Unless Teyla and her people have some abilities we haven't seen, or they just happened to recieve new editions of the Oxford English Dictionary via Intergalactic Stargate once in a while.

Lugal
July 17th, 2004, 09:57 AM
When they found the holo-lady, the doctor did say it was his second time watching it. The Translaters could have picked up English from him before everyone else arrived.

EYU86
July 17th, 2004, 09:58 AM
Okay, thats a viable explanation.
Good job

tenthmile
July 17th, 2004, 11:03 AM
of course English is spoken by the people of Abydos, to some degree (but being a relative newbie to SG-1, I don't know whether they were taught or something, but I remember in Stargate the movie they spoke 'gibberish').

i was just under the impression that we were supposed to assume daniel taught the abydonians english while he was MIA in that space of time between the movie and the tv show.

however, i thought that what the holo-lady was saying (though i couldn't hear the whole thing... i missed a few bits and pieces that seemed important while mckay & beckett were yapping. i kept shushing them, but they wouldn't listen) was that all humans (in both galaxies) were... what did she call it? transplated or something by the ancients, and only some of them evolved? one would assume that something along the lines of a common history would involve things like common customs and languages; hence, the producers were trying to pass off their unwillingness to write a new language each episode by saying that we were all kind of inter-related (much like all of the groups of people the goa'uld 'transplanted' off of earth in SG-1). halfway through this paragraph it suddenly occured to me that i have no idea what i'm talking about, which is a shame really, because for a second there i really thought i was on to something.

VixyOwl (~~Ani)
August 4th, 2004, 08:40 PM
I remember reading that the producers didn't want to have to worry about language barriers. They said that if they had to tackle the language barrier in each episode, the whole series would be a big linguistics class and thus, no fun stuff like gun fights, temporal paradoxes, technological finds and not as many allies. Personally, I like that they only use alien langauges when it reinforces the story line i.e. Umas.
(In my best Johnny Fever impersonation:)
Well, no one said writing a TV show was going to be easy...

But, seriously, this is a fair point. When you develop a sci-fi universe for TV, you've got 2 basic choices re language: provide a universal translator, or ignore the language unless you want to highlight it.

Do people ever complain about this in a sci-fi novel? Just a thought, there.

Getting off-topic, sorry. I'm perfectly satisfied with the universal translator explanation for the city, even though it was the easy way out. (for reasons listed in other posts re. viewer knowledge carried over from SG1)

LordAnubis
August 4th, 2004, 09:50 PM
Sheppard's mobile remote unit (tricorder) from the puddle jumper. Perhaps it can also act as a translator -OR- perhaps Teyla has her own. They do have technology, such as laser lighter.
It's called "suspension of disbelief". In the world of make-believe (TV/movies), you're supposed to forget about stuff like "hey, they just got to that planet and already they speak the language." It's like Mio said, they can't waste valuable time trying to point to the ground, make grunts, and repeat their names for 40 minutes while trying to communicate; it would be lame, boring, and a waste of time. The easy way out: make everyone speak English unless a foreign language can be written into the plot in a cool way.

In the movie, a lot of detail was put in to the Abydonian language -- same with a few season one episodes. Later, they figured it best to ditch that and move to more important plot devices rather than waste time and energy (it's also expensive to hire real linguists to translate real languages) trying to communicate with the locals.

As far as the holo-ancient lady -- um, they were on a flying city that left Earth and the Milky Way Galaxy, sank underwater for millions of years, and was built by aliens who created thousands of stargates in two galaxies and learned to ascend to a higher plane of existence, and you don't think they might have developed a program that "read the minds" of the races who discovered the hologram and interpreted the language?

Buzz Lightyear
August 4th, 2004, 10:06 PM
All this debate of languages is beginning to hurt my fron.

Anthro Girl
August 5th, 2004, 12:03 AM
"Hello welcome to Atlantis would you like fries with your message of impending doom?"
And what, exactly, is wrong with that? :p

Dreamin_of_Rain
August 5th, 2004, 04:26 AM
"Hello welcome to Atlantis would you like fries with your message of impending doom?"

If I was getting a message of impending doom I would want fries with it. :D

VirtualCLD
August 5th, 2004, 04:43 AM
Might as well super-size them, I mean if you're already aproaching impending doom, super-sized impending doom can't be much worse.

Dreamin_of_Rain
August 5th, 2004, 06:29 AM
we could throw in a cheese burger and soda to then...maybe nice frosty

VirtualCLD
August 5th, 2004, 07:50 AM
Can't prepare for impending doom on an empty stomach, now can we? Poor Rodney might go into a hypoglycemic attack if he doesn't eat before hand.

Dreamin_of_Rain
August 5th, 2004, 08:58 AM
hmmm...I think I'll take a bacon cheese burger, fries, a cola frosty, and a warm chocolate chip cookie with my impending doom

Anthro Girl
August 5th, 2004, 09:44 AM
ROFLMAO!!! :d

GhostPoet
August 5th, 2004, 10:32 AM
Sometimes you have to look past certain things for the sake of the show being fun.
SG-1 would haveEVER made it past season 2 if they had to learn how to communicate with EVERY race they met. A few eps like that every now and then work ok.