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Avalar
July 16th, 2004, 07:02 PM
One, uh, "puddle jumper" seemed to have enough firepower and maneuvering capability to take out multiple Wraith fighters. If the Ancients had vessels of war that much more efficient than the Wraith, how did the Wraith kick their asses?

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:04 PM
The Wraith created a disease that killed the ancients. The ancients could not combat this disease, that is why they fled to Earth, to escape the disease that was plaguing the Pegasus galaxy.

Avalar
July 16th, 2004, 07:07 PM
Ah, ok, that makes sense.

Heh, just out of curiosity...I wonder if the Asgard could take on the Wraith. Well, when they were at their full power, that is - obviously they couldn't right now since their civilization was brought to its knees by the Replicators.

KayMan2k
July 16th, 2004, 07:08 PM
One, uh, "puddle jumper" seemed to have enough firepower and maneuvering capability to take out multiple Wraith fighters. If the Ancients had vessels of war that much more efficient than the Wraith, how did the Wraith kick their asses?

The Wraith outnumbered the Ancients, the hologram said so. They were all waking up and probably couldn't man all of their attack ships. I don't think it will be this easy in the future.

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:08 PM
Depends on how far back the replicator war goes.

Avalar
July 16th, 2004, 07:10 PM
The Wraith outnumbered the Ancients, the hologram said so. They were all waking up and probably couldn't man all of their attack ships. I don't think it will be this easy in the future.

Even so, it didn't seem like it would matter if one Ancient fighter was enough to eliminate several Wraith ones.

Mith
July 16th, 2004, 07:14 PM
I want to see:

REPLICATOR vs. WRAITH

:p

Selmak
July 16th, 2004, 07:15 PM
It wasn't a matter of technology... the Ancients were taken out by a virus not a wraith ship attack.

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:16 PM
The virus must have spread extremely quickly if they could not find a cure of some sort.

Avalar
July 16th, 2004, 07:18 PM
I want to see:

REPLICATOR vs. WRAITH

:p

lol, I can imagine the Replicators winning for two reasons.

1. The Wraith can't "lifesuck" them since they're machines and not organic.

2. Any environment with metal alloys is likely to get swarmed by the Replicators. Unless the Wraith possess something similar to the device O'Neill constructed aboard Thor's ship (Which is doubtful since they wouldn't make a weapon for a specific purpose such as dismanteling Replicator blocks if they've never even seen the little buggers) then the Replicators would take over the Wraith ships and strongholds.

aeroe
July 16th, 2004, 07:18 PM
Yep... Also our on heavy machine gun fire could damage a Wraith Dart, and a small missile could take one out completely.

An invincible enemy is tacky...

Rukkian
July 16th, 2004, 07:30 PM
I think that they were trying to show 2 things,
1. That Major Shephard is a good pilot and can do good things with the ancient technology.
2. The Wraith were caught off guard because they have not been up against technology for several thousands of years and have become over-confident like the ancients did. The hologram explained that they were over-confident in their technology and did not view the Wraith as a formidable enemy.

SG1Poz
July 16th, 2004, 07:36 PM
The virus must have spread extremely quickly if they could not find a cure of some sort.


So they the Wraiths created a virus to wipe out the Ancients. Who were they supposed to eat after the Ancients were eliminated?

SG-1Poz

CelticPhantom
July 16th, 2004, 07:38 PM
Maybe they liked the idea of cannabilism.

Avalar
July 16th, 2004, 07:38 PM
The ancients distributed humans on a bunch of different planets in the Pegasus galaxy. I think the virus was just meant to wipe out the main body of Ancients who held Atlantis and all their power and stuff. Although the Ancients ascended, the humans they put on other planets became a sort of "feeding ground" for the Wraith.

Sentinel
July 16th, 2004, 09:21 PM
I want to see:

REPLICATOR vs. WRAITH

:p
The Goa'uld don't count anymore :) ?

airdish
July 16th, 2004, 09:37 PM
The Goa'uld don't count anymore :) ?

hells no :)

Scruff
July 17th, 2004, 06:58 PM
In "Frozen" we learned that a virus had wiped out the Ancients. But, has it been stated that the Wraith are the ones who spread the virus. Doesn't make any sense to wipe out your best source of food.

DownFallAngel
July 17th, 2004, 07:01 PM
it was stated in Atlantis that the Wraith did it, as they were the great enemy.

Also the ancients spread humans across two galaxies, the MW and Pegasus Galaxy. The ancioents were the most evolved form of the humans, so the wraith tried to wipe them out, as they poses to be a force against the wraith.

VirtualCLD
July 17th, 2004, 07:21 PM
Um, Spoilers, but I think that's assumed:






I've watched Rising a couple of times and I never once heard them explicitly say the Wraiths created the virus. Could someone give me a quote? I believe the hollo says they encounterred a dark enemy, was it? The Ancients were than pushed back to Atlantis where the Wraiths sieged the city for years, but couldn't breach the shield. The Ancients then fled to Earth via the Atlantis stargate. Now, did all of the Ancients in Atlantis leave? and why was the Atlantis gate the only one that could go to Earth, was it because of the ZPMs? That's enough for now, I have more, but it might be off-topic.

Scruff
July 17th, 2004, 07:36 PM
They mentioned that they fled to Earth by the Stargate, but in the opening scene, we see what appeared to be a ship leaving Atlantis. Where did it go?

DownFallAngel
July 17th, 2004, 07:37 PM
The pegasus galaxy.

EYU86
July 17th, 2004, 07:41 PM
They mentioned that they fled to Earth by the Stargate, but in the opening scene, we see what appeared to be a ship leaving Atlantis. Where did it go?
Did u even watch SGA...

DownFallAngel
July 17th, 2004, 07:47 PM
Damn thats cruel EYU.

EYU86
July 17th, 2004, 07:49 PM
Thats not cruel, its a...
question, yea thats what it was, a question.

airdish
July 17th, 2004, 09:00 PM
Um, Spoilers, but I think that's assumed:






I've watched Rising a couple of times and I never once heard them explicitly say the Wraiths created the virus. Could someone give me a quote? I believe the hollo says they encounterred a dark enemy, was it? The Ancients were than pushed back to Atlantis where the Wraiths sieged the city for years, but couldn't breach the shield. The Ancients then fled to Earth via the Atlantis stargate. Now, did all of the Ancients in Atlantis leave? and why was the Atlantis gate the only one that could go to Earth, was it because of the ZPMs? That's enough for now, I have more, but it might be off-topic.

ya, I noticed that too. I think Dr. Weir said something about how the rescue couldn’t go forward because the wraiths where the ones to kill the ancients—but that point was never established.

diek
July 17th, 2004, 09:20 PM
Speaking of wraiths versus replicators...why don't the asgard try to make their own version of the replicators. If they had a tit for tat counter- replicator that absorbed other replicators, that would be a pretty effective weapon. I think that would be a awesome weapon for any race. The girl that created the replicators controlled them easily and she was lo-tech compared to the asgard.

uknesvuinng
July 17th, 2004, 09:27 PM
The girl that created the replicators controlled them easily and she was lo-tech compared to the asgard.
Except they grew so large in number that they broke from her control and became the menace they are today. The Asgard are probably (reasonably so) fearful of the possibility of that happening and simply adding to the replicator ranks. This is, of course, even the Asgard ever had such a "dumb idea".

badblu
July 17th, 2004, 09:54 PM
the Wraiths created the virus so dose that mean the surving humans Ancients are still infected with it so whats to stop the humans from earth getting it It must still be around even after millions of years.

aAnubiSs
July 18th, 2004, 05:14 AM
We don't know the plauge was an actual virus. The Wraith could have been the plauge.

MadJaffa
July 18th, 2004, 06:35 AM
Um... question we were the SECOND evolution of humans in this time frame. The Ancients (in there human-esque froms) never existed as a race at the time we did. So, how did Teyla and her people get to their planet. I mean the Goa'uld did it in our Galaxy but there are no Goa'uld her (not yet :) ).

aAnubiSs
July 18th, 2004, 06:37 AM
Didn't you see Rising?

The Ancients left for the Pegasus Galaxy and seeded life there.

VirtualCLD
July 18th, 2004, 06:54 AM
Ah, good point, that brings up another question. Did the ancients originate on Earth, then leave for Pegasus and seed life there, or did they seed life in the Mily Way first before leaving for Pegasus (which would contradict the whole Goa'uld spreading human life thing)?

MadJaffa
July 19th, 2004, 05:53 AM
So we were gunie pigs basically, they brought us on Atlantis in cages and droped us on planets?

aAnubiSs
July 19th, 2004, 05:54 AM
They were probably more sofisticated then that :D