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GateWorld
November 30th, 2005, 06:22 PM
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As Kate watches over a feverish Sawyer, she remembers her original crime that started her life on the run from the law.

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NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 30th, 2005, 07:05 PM
Damn, good episode. Best episode of the Series, in my opinion. Using GW rating system, I give it a ****.

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November 30th, 2005, 07:09 PM
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FoolishPleasure
November 30th, 2005, 07:27 PM
It was one of the "WTF!" endings! :D

But what where the blast doors for? More warnings about the "incident", though it seems the film is still jumping about (maybe more pieces of film around the island?)

And that horse better be careful in case our islanders start craving more protein. ;)

Morbo
November 30th, 2005, 07:33 PM
i said this on another board:

i guess my biggest question is that why was the film the same?
If they found the film in the book in the other bunker wouldn't it be a film for that bunker? or maybe a displaced one from another bunker... but the same? that they could splice in?
odd.

FoolishPleasure
November 30th, 2005, 07:37 PM
i said this on another board:

i guess my biggest question is that why was the film the same?
If they found the film in the book in the other bunker wouldn't it be a film for that bunker? or maybe a displaced one from another bunker... but the same? that they could splice in?
odd.
I'm wondering if all stations had basically the same film but after time each station has different surviving bits and pieces of it. Eventually we'll get to see the whole thing, if our heroes can find the other 3 stations.

Avalar
November 30th, 2005, 07:41 PM
Interesting how the guy in the video was so adamant and sincere about not wanting anyone to use the computer to contact the outside world.

Morbo
November 30th, 2005, 07:52 PM
well someone else on my other forum said that the film in the book was the missing part of the original film. Like someone took it out and respliced the film back together.
but I dunno.

and who knows if Michael was just freakin out, or if that was really happenin.

all i know, is dear god.

LoneStar1836
November 30th, 2005, 07:55 PM
Heh. I figure the blast doors are there so that when people tinker with the computer the doors slam shut and the person(s) inside are gassed cause they didn’t follow instructions. I was just waiting for them to close on Michael there at the end since he just happened to be the one to notice them. Guess Walt is at another one of the stations…..

Ha! At the start when Kate got on the dirt bike and rode off and the camera switched back to the house. I was like “boom, the house is gonna blow”, to myself, and then well….BOOM! :D

Well that was kind of a letdown as far as what was on the spliced film section Mr. Eko brought. Didn’t really add anything I didn’t already know.

Overall, not too bad an episode, considering it was more Kate backstory, which I don’t find all that interesting. Though it was nice to see that the good “father” was still alive.

Now next week’s looks really good. Seems to be focused on Mr. Eko, which has quickly become my favorite character this season. I hope they have something good for his story. :)

Morbo
November 30th, 2005, 08:06 PM
sorry bud, you're not getting an episode next week.
Far as I know the next episode isn't until January.
That's why the preview didn't say "next week" it just said "Wednesdays at 9pm"

Also I can't believe Kate's mother turned her in. Kate should have blown her up too.
Stupid insert explicitive I can't say here.

FoolishPleasure
November 30th, 2005, 08:12 PM
sorry bud, you're not getting an episode next week.
Far as I know the next episode isn't until January.
That's why the preview didn't say "next week" it just said "Wednesdays at 9pm"
I heard that too - nothing new until January. Something in a recent interview about being behind in production, or some such nonsense. They are waiting for the holidays to end as they figure the ratings aren't too hot in December for anything.

LoneStar1836
November 30th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Seriously?

Guess I wasn’t paying attention. Damn, just when it was getting good. Then what's the point of putting "Alias" back in its old time slot behind LOST beginning next week. :confused: Just a tad to late to get me to pick up watching Alias again after they moved it to Thursday this season where it conflicted with other stuff so I didn't bother. Not that it seems I'm missing anything.....

Cinephilic TV Addict
November 30th, 2005, 08:40 PM
Huah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally a pretty good episode. My only complaint would be Kate's 'father' saying he knew she'd kill Wayne - how the hell would he know that? She was 5 years old.

Everything else was good 'ol LOST, back in full form. I have to admit it was a little predictable, with Kate seeing Wayne in Sawyer, and the horse showing up at the end (especially after Sayid mentioned he saw Walt), etc., but it was GOOD predictable, where you knew, but still wanted to see it happen.

And that ending! At first, I was disappointed - Locke and Eko see the film that says don't use the comp for anything else, and then Michael does. What a shocking coincidence...phhhhhhhhht. But then - DAD? Boo-yah, crap my pants, is-it-january-yet ending.

Best ep of S2, easily, as well as ranking somewhere in the middle of S1. It seems the first 1/3 of S2 was just a pretty poor set-up, but now the pay-offs are going to rule (I pray).

And of course, mark your calendars - Eko vs. the Monster...freakin awesome...

Osiris-RA
November 30th, 2005, 09:32 PM
Check out what some eagle eye caught from tonights ep. [Lost Media Forum] (http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=22992)

Cool, huh? Does this reek of And Then There Were None to anybody? huh? Huh???

Osiris-RA
November 30th, 2005, 09:38 PM
Very spiffy ending. Ha ha, I was like "Hey Mike, say you're Neo!" when he was typing in his name. :p But of course it's not Morpheus on the other end, was it? :p I knew he was gonna use the computer, I so did. What else is there to do on that island?? I probably would have tried to check my E-mail or get on GW though...:p

Mr Eko gets more screen time, yay. The whole bible bit... a bit cheesy, but very JJ like with that cryptisim. Then that trailer, hoo boy. Pleaaase give the monster screen time! I want carnage! Blood! Bones crunching! Screaming! YE-AH!

A-Ok. And Alias changes days and times! WHOOT!!! Please boot Invasions time slot!

Edit: Ahahahahaha!!! So the Jate shippers are pissed 'cause Kate goes and macks on Jack then says she has feelings for bad boy Sawyer then Jack goes to hang with Ana (who has nothing better to do than whittle? :confused: what, a PSP or Battleship board didn't get salvaged along with that Guitar? :rolleyes:) so confusion erupts, LMAO! Genuis writers, just..plain..genius. Give 'em what they want then snatch it away! Bam! I love that...

....

Thermonuclearboy
December 1st, 2005, 05:40 AM
Well.

I had a feeling that Kate's great sin was a little bit darker than just killing an abusive parent out of desperation. Nice to know I was right. And nice to know the writers didn't take the easy way out and make Kate the typical "saintly battered woman" you see in TV shows a lot. Not that he didn't have it coming, but...that's some cold-blooded stuff she did. Kate is AT LEAST as messed up as Ana-Lucia.

I am personally dying to know what Eko's story is...

Arative
December 1st, 2005, 06:36 AM
I liked the interplay between Locke and Eko, they are both cut from the same cloth. I forsee some very interesting conversations between the two of them. One thing that bothers me is why didn't they watch the entire film that Eko brought with him instead of splicing together part from EKo's film to the film they had.

Cinephilic TV Addict
December 1st, 2005, 07:12 AM
I liked the interplay between Locke and Eko, they are both cut from the same cloth. I forsee some very interesting conversations between the two of them. One thing that bothers me is why didn't they watch the entire film that Eko brought with him instead of splicing together part from EKo's film to the film they had.

That's all there was to Eko's film - he had the missing part, and locke spliced it (by hand! - that'd be really annoying), into the original film. There is no more film.

Trust me - that little ity-bitty roll that Eko brought with him was only 1-3 mins. worth of film, which is what we saw (i mean, it takes 18 ft. of film to cover just 30 secs, for a reference point).

FoolishPleasure
December 1st, 2005, 07:15 AM
I liked the interplay between Locke and Eko, they are both cut from the same cloth. I forsee some very interesting conversations between the two of them. One thing that bothers me is why didn't they watch the entire film that Eko brought with him instead of splicing together part from EKo's film to the film they had.
I assumed that they did splice all of Eko's film in - it didn't look like it was much anyway. Eko seems like he recognizes the Dharma symbols - since he was wearing a suit when the plane crashed, I wonder if he is some sort of executive with the company (but doesn't necessarily know about this "experiment").

O-Ra - that was cool about the TV in the background when Kate was talking to her real dad!

Arative
December 1st, 2005, 08:04 AM
That's all there was to Eko's film - he had the missing part, and locke spliced it (by hand! - that'd be really annoying), into the original film. There is no more film.

Trust me - that little ity-bitty roll that Eko brought with him was only 1-3 mins. worth of film, which is what we saw (i mean, it takes 18 ft. of film to cover just 30 secs, for a reference point).

That makes more sense now, I thought when they were splicing it together, it was only a few inches of film.

Hex.FTB.enabled
December 1st, 2005, 09:36 AM
I spent some of the episode wondering if Kate and Sawyer have a pre-flight connection. What if Wayne was the "original" Sawyer? I don't honestly think that'll turn out to be true, but it's an interesting thought.

Vee
December 1st, 2005, 10:54 AM
Pretty good ep. I was gratified to see Kate isn't innocent. She murdered the dude, plain and simple. The "fugitive with a heart of gold" thing was getting lame. I can't say I was surprised her mother turned her in, either. Her daughter killed the man she loved, no matter how awful he may have been.

At any rate, Michael talking to Walt? Creepy, that. Is Walt still with the others? Do they have a computer? And just what splices were there in that film? Perhaps it provides more information on what will happen if the numbers aren't entered.

Also, Sawyer is awake. Although I enjoy staring at his naked chest in bed, I missed his smartass comments and delicious accent. I also find him to be one of the more interesting characters, so I'm glad he's back in the mix.

Cinephilic TV Addict
December 1st, 2005, 11:31 AM
I spent some of the episode wondering if Kate and Sawyer have a pre-flight connection. What if Wayne was the "original" Sawyer? I don't honestly think that'll turn out to be true, but it's an interesting thought.

that's a really great idea - after all, i doubt any epsidoe save for the SERIES finale will show the castaways, in present day, off the island. sawyer can't get his revenge unless another castaway had killed the original sawyer already.

djmc26
December 1st, 2005, 11:48 AM
and guys, i just saw it...
anybody noticed a little pearl?

When kate enters Army offices of hiring, on the TV there is an image of news, with SAHYD arrested :) did you got it :)?
PRETTY FANTASTIC example of LOST guy's cross over life !

The Shadow
December 1st, 2005, 12:28 PM
I thought the ep was so COOL!!! Sawyer is AWAKE!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!:eek:

I've been waiting forever for Sawyer to get up and running his mouth off.
I said this on another post before, I REALLY DON'T like ghosts and spirits rummaging around and taking control of Sawyer's body. Why do they just have to get the one who's weak and hurt(And Kate's love) Poor Sawyer!!!!:S So not fair at all!!!! I hope Kate gets together with Sawyer, he is so much better for her!!!:D

10/10, best ep of the Series!!!!!:cool:

jmallx
December 1st, 2005, 02:04 PM
and guys, i just saw it...
anybody noticed a little pearl?

When kate enters Army offices of hiring, on the TV there is an image of news, with SAHYD arrested :) did you got it :)?
PRETTY FANTASTIC example of LOST guy's cross over life !

I had to go back and sure enough there he was.

What I really want to know is if Locke works for Hugo's Box company.

Morbo
December 1st, 2005, 02:24 PM
What I really want to know is if Locke works for Hugo's Box company.

Yes he does. It's a given.
It's also why Locke calls him Hugo, and everyone else calls him Hurley. He never told anyone his name was Hugo. But Locke knows.

Erised
December 1st, 2005, 02:47 PM
sorry bud, you're not getting an episode next week.
Far as I know the next episode isn't until January.
That's why the preview didn't say "next week" it just said "Wednesdays at 9pm"

Also I can't believe Kate's mother turned her in. Kate should have blown her up too.
Stupid insert explicitive I can't say here.
No!!!!!!!! What the hell???? Every show I watch takes break until January! Stargate, Smallville, Gilmore Girls, and now Lost/???? Kill the TV people!!!!!!!!!!


anyhow. The episode was really interesting I think. But do you think that Kate did was that bad? I mean yea it's bad to kill someone but would you really let someome beat up your mom and let them have fantasies about you?? And Kate was bluffing when she said that she killed him because she was a part of him. If he was a good person then she wouldn't have hated him, don't you think hm?

Thermonuclearboy
December 1st, 2005, 03:58 PM
But do you think that Kate did was that bad? I mean yea it's bad to kill someone but would you really let someome beat up your mom and let them have fantasies about you?? And Kate was bluffing when she said that she killed him because she was a part of him. If he was a good person then she wouldn't have hated him, don't you think hm?

Think about what the Marshal said. The abuse had been going on for a long time, and Kate could have killed her stepfather at any point. It was only when she realized he was her biological father that she snapped. In her mind, that made her just as bad as he was, so she became that.

And remember, she didn't just KILL him. She laid out a plan far in advance. It wasn't enough to simply shoot him; she had to burn him and all his possessions down. She was trying to completely wipe out his existence...and by extension, wipe out her own, because she was part of him.

Vee
December 1st, 2005, 04:24 PM
And remember, she didn't just KILL him. She laid out a plan far in advance. It wasn't enough to simply shoot him; she had to burn him and all his possessions down. She was trying to completely wipe out his existence...and by extension, wipe out her own, because she was part of him.
I agree. It doesn't matter what a scumbag Wayne was, Kate murdered him. It was premeditated and there's no justification. As for her mother turning her in, it's completely understandable. Kate's mother loved Wayne and Kate killed him. What should her mother have done? She couldn't simply turn a blind eye to something like that. Kate seems to feel some measure of remorse or confusion, but it doesn't change what she did or what she capable of. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying Kate is the evil b*tch monster of death, but what she did is not okay.

Erised
December 1st, 2005, 05:30 PM
How can her mother have loved a man who beat her up? The crazy woman. She should have left him when he hit her the first time! She would have gotten over that "love." Everyone does.
And what sort of a mother wishes her child to be in jail? I have yet to see a loving mom who would want her kid to be in jail even if that kid killed someone without reason. But here... there were all these reasons and she just got rid of her daughter because she killed some crap alcoholic!

memnarch
December 1st, 2005, 05:36 PM
I liked this episode a lot! Finally, Lost has come out of it's slump. Though I found Kate's original crime extremely disappointing (she only killed her father, I expected so much more from Lost) at last the spiritual component has come back. I believe that the producers revealed a bit too much in the premiere episodes, and this has corresponded with Lost's drop in viewership (it was in 8th last week!). The horse, as well as Locke and Eko's interactions and Walt's communique with Michael, are making the show uncertain and I find uncertainty comforting, even though I enjoy the whole Dharma iniative thing.

Thermonuclearboy
December 1st, 2005, 06:18 PM
How can her mother have loved a man who beat her up?

It happens, unfortunately...

pooman
December 2nd, 2005, 02:05 AM
some people are also scared if they divorce split whatever he will want revenge so they are scared to split

The Shadow
December 2nd, 2005, 12:16 PM
How can her mother have loved a man who beat her up? The crazy woman. She should have left him when he hit her the first time! She would have gotten over that "love." Everyone does.
And what sort of a mother wishes her child to be in jail? I have yet to see a loving mom who would want her kid to be in jail even if that kid killed someone without reason. But here... there were all these reasons and she just got rid of her daughter because she killed some crap alcoholic!


I SOOOO agree with you Erised. I don't know how can any mother care more about the husband than her own FLESH AND BLOOD!!! That's JUST WRONG!!!:eek:

If I was Kate, I would have done the exact same thing. So maybe Wayne knew Kate was going to kill him, I was five when I beat down a stranger who broke into my house in the middle of the night when my parents weren't home. I got shot in the shoulder and the bullet got lodged in, but I had a very quick reflex so I pounced the guy and sticked the guy with a glass shred. I was very lucky!! And LUCKY IS GOOD!!!!:D

Cinephilic TV Addict
December 2nd, 2005, 12:34 PM
I SOOOO agree with you Erised. I don't know how can any mother care more about the husband than her own FLESH AND BLOOD!!! That's JUST WRONG!!!:eek:

But - and this IS absolutely true - TV would not be interesting if characters in drama always did the right thing. plain and simple - characters can't be perfect.

I will agree, though, that having Kate kill her father was the WRONG move, but not on moral grounds, on writing bounds - LOST needs to stop with the daddy issues. It's HACKNEYED, REPETITIVE, and BORING.

I mean, Jesus! - What Kate Did? Her original crime was her most boring flashback yet - that's a pure, utter no-no. There is no excuse for that - it should have been something better.

(Although, for the record, I still think this episode is the best of the season so far).

ItsDan
December 2nd, 2005, 01:23 PM
It's also why Locke calls him Hugo, and everyone else calls him Hurley. He never told anyone his name was Hugo. But Locke knows.

It wasn't really Hurley's box company. He owned it, but through his accountant/investor. I doubt he ever even visited it. Hurley's name probably got around the island, and Locke prefers not using nicknames.


Locke explicitly said that the video brought back was part of the original film.

Erised
December 2nd, 2005, 02:05 PM
I SOOOO agree with you Erised. I don't know how can any mother care more about the husband than her own FLESH AND BLOOD!!! That's JUST WRONG!!!:eek:

If I was Kate, I would have done the exact same thing. So maybe Wayne knew Kate was going to kill him, I was five when I beat down a stranger who broke into my house in the middle of the night when my parents weren't home. I got shot in the shoulder and the bullet got lodged in, but I had a very quick reflex so I pounced the guy and sticked the guy with a glass shred. I was very lucky!! And LUCKY IS GOOD!!!!:D
Omg! :eek: you poor thing! I'd green you but I used up all the points for the next 24 hours, so I'll green you tomorrow! :S

sitheguy78
December 2nd, 2005, 08:11 PM
right with all the footage they showed on the episode of the "film" i listened carefully as it went along for what seemed like jumps and i counted 3 (this is just from the footage in this episode) and after they added the new part of the film i still counted 3 as after the new film part is still missing (if u watch carefully)

Cinephilic TV Addict
December 2nd, 2005, 10:16 PM
right with all the footage they showed on the episode of the "film" i listened carefully as it went along for what seemed like jumps and i counted 3 (this is just from the footage in this episode) and after they added the new part of the film i still counted 3 as after the new film part is still missing (if u watch carefully)

but the thing is that the three jumps you counted can be just bad splices, which could mean a simple frame (1/24th of a second) or two would be missing.

don't get me wrong - i hope there's more missing film, but i don't know if the writer's may think it'd be redundant to discover another missing piece.

Qtyled
December 3rd, 2005, 08:47 AM
I had a feeling that these last few "bad" episodes were just introducing the new tail-end characters, thus providing more flashback material, and after it was done we would be back to normal LOST. It's cool to be right.

The last few flashbacks have been quite pointless and boring, but I loved this one. Good to see they can still write good backstories for characters that have already had a few episodes dedicated to them.

The most LOST-esque (is that a word?) part of this episode was the ending. It leaves you waiting for more, and as much as you hate it, you love to hate it. The last few episodes didn't really have me waiting for more, and though that was refreshing for one episode, it got repetitive after Ep 4.

Also... anyone notice the hand coming in on the right side of the screen, when Sawyer and Kate see the horse. :D

Thermonuclearboy
December 4th, 2005, 04:09 PM
Something disturbing just occured to me, upon further reflection. Whe Kate confronts her father and wants to know why he never told her Wayne was her real father, her father says, "Because I knew you would kill him."

He knew she would kill him. He knew she was capable of killing. Her father is in the military, and Kate has hinted that he taught her a few things. But is it more that than? Does Kate actually have some kind of military training? Thinking back, the flashbacks we've seen with Kate on the run bring to mind an image of a professional. We never once saw Kate panic or flee wildly; everything she's done has been focused and methodical.

How old is Kate supposed to be, anyway? Old enough to be a soldier?

ItsDan
December 4th, 2005, 05:22 PM
She was 24 in the more recent flashback. I don't think she's trained to be a killer. I never saw her actions as being 'methodical' so much as being of someone who'd been on the run for a few years.

Cinephilic TV Addict
December 4th, 2005, 09:52 PM
Something disturbing just occured to me, upon further reflection. Whe Kate confronts her father and wants to know why he never told her Wayne was her real father, her father says, "Because I knew you would kill him."

He knew she would kill him. He knew she was capable of killing. Her father is in the military, and Kate has hinted that he taught her a few things. But is it more that than? Does Kate actually have some kind of military training? Thinking back, the flashbacks we've seen with Kate on the run bring to mind an image of a professional. We never once saw Kate panic or flee wildly; everything she's done has been focused and methodical.

How old is Kate supposed to be, anyway? Old enough to be a soldier?

This was really the only bad part of the episode - I'm pretty sure Kate's father said he separated from her mother when Kate was only FIVE years old.

And yet, he knew she'd kill Wayne. That's just bad writing. And then Kate goes ahead and tells 'the ghost of wayne' exactly what she's feeling (on-the-nose dialogue), and that part was also bad.

But then Sawyer woke up with one of his wisecracks the the rest of the episode was good.

basically, this would have been a great episode if 1) that last flashback and the dialogue right after it had been better, and 2) if kate's original crime had been something that wasn't hackneyed.

Erised
December 5th, 2005, 04:44 AM
I also thought that "I knew you would have killed him" part was extremely bad written. First of all, a 5 year old will have a real job killing a grown man, and second of all... a 5 year old doesn't have so much hate inside...

well, you know what I mean.

Arative
December 5th, 2005, 07:55 AM
You ever think that just because her parents seperated at 5, that doesn't mean that the guy she thought was her father was out of her life? I mean she did still call him daddy, so she must have had some sort of relationship with him. And when she asked him why he never told her that Wayne was her real father, she had found out because she was making him a photo scrapbook. So he wasn't out of her life when she was 5 years old.

Cinephilic TV Addict
December 5th, 2005, 02:48 PM
You ever think that just because her parents seperated at 5, that doesn't mean that the guy she thought was her father was out of her life? I mean she did still call him daddy, so she must have had some sort of relationship with him. And when she asked him why he never told her that Wayne was her real father, she had found out because she was making him a photo scrapbook. So he wasn't out of her life when she was 5 years old.

Sorry - I wasn't specific enough. What I meant was, since they separated when she was only five, this man who would only have had a part time role in her life knew she would kill wayne if she ever found out that he was her real father.

I'm sorry, but that's just corny - he probably knew kate hated wayne, but murder? regardless if it's possible, and regardless if it is elaborated upon in her future flashbacks, it's not plausible in this particular LOST moment. the second i heard that line, i cringed - it just didn't work.

and, of course, they followed it with a scene where kate said exactly what needed to be said to make the episode make sense = bad writing x2. but, i liked the concept of wayne's ghost in sawyer as well as the way it played out after he woke up. it was just on-the-nose dialogue, which is crap.

Erised
December 5th, 2005, 06:05 PM
sorry bud, you're not getting an episode next week.
Far as I know the next episode isn't until January.
That's why the preview didn't say "next week" it just said "Wednesdays at 9pm"

Yes we are getting a 210 this wednesday! Check Lost web site! http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/

Cinephilic TV Addict
December 5th, 2005, 07:32 PM
Yes we are getting a 210 this wednesday! Check Lost web site! http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/

um, sorry, but "everybody hates hugo" is ep 204 again.

no new lost till january

LoneStar1836
December 5th, 2005, 07:57 PM
You ever think that just because her parents seperated at 5, that doesn't mean that the guy she thought was her father was out of her life? I mean she did still call him daddy, so she must have had some sort of relationship with him. And when she asked him why he never told her that Wayne was her real father, she had found out because she was making him a photo scrapbook. So he wasn't out of her life when she was 5 years old.
I would assume so. In S1’s, “All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues,” she mentioned to Jack that she learned how to track animals from her dad.

“My dad was in the army. Ranger Battalion. We were stationed in Fort Lewis, Washington State. We'd go hiking together. One day we spend 8 hours tracking deer. Being in the woods, it was like, it was like his religion.”

I seriously doubt you'd take a 5-yr-old on an 8 HOUR hike. Unless you really like to torture yourself. :D But then the “we were stationed in Ft. Lewis” doesn’t make any sense. Whatever. That whole “Because I don't have murder in my heart” from her “father” in this ep didn’t make much sense either. That was a dumb line of dialogue, imo.

leaper
December 6th, 2005, 05:52 AM
With the way this show goes...I'm waiting for the rest of Kate's story. Can't believe that we've seen it all yet. If we have, pretty lame (in regards to the entire story we're being strung out on)

Vee
December 6th, 2005, 10:15 AM
“My dad was in the army. Ranger Battalion. We were stationed in Fort Lewis, Washington State. We'd go hiking together. One day we spend 8 hours tracking deer. Being in the woods, it was like, it was like his religion.”

I seriously doubt you'd take a 5-yr-old on an 8 HOUR hike. Unless you really like to torture yourself. :D But then the “we were stationed in Ft. Lewis” doesn’t make any sense. Whatever. That whole “Because I don't have murder in my heart” from her “father” in this ep didn’t make much sense either. That was a dumb line of dialogue, imo.
I suppose this could be a plot hole. Although I wish they would pay a wee bit more attention to continuity, even if it is a crazy show. But as leaper said, I think I'll wait for more of her backstory before I make a judgement. You can never quite tell where the story is taking you.

Erised
December 6th, 2005, 03:39 PM
um, sorry, but "everybody hates hugo" is ep 204 again.

no new lost till january
o.O damn :(

ItsDan
December 7th, 2005, 05:11 AM
They pretty clearly established that Kate maintained her relationship with her Army dad long after the separation. The dialogue was a little fake, but I don't think it introduced any plot holes.

Thermonuclearboy
December 7th, 2005, 06:03 AM
Of course, Kate could be lying. She's proven to be pretty good at deceiving people and manipulating them. Even on the Island she hasn't stopped. Remember back on the plane where the Marshall says something like, "Maybe they'll believe your story." She told him something he hadn't heard before, and because he pretty much guessed her motivations correctly the first time, we can only assume she told him some kind of crazy story that was false. It's safe to assume that, for at least the first season of the show, we could trust nothing that came out of Kate's mouth. Probably still can't...

There seems to be a running gag where when characters lie about where they're from, they say they're from Canada. Ethan did it, and so did Kate. I guess we know what to look for now in hidden bad guys: don't trust the Canadians!

;)

Osiris-RA
December 7th, 2005, 09:21 PM
This was really the only bad part of the episode - I'm pretty sure Kate's father said he separated from her mother when Kate was only FIVE years old.

And yet, he knew she'd kill Wayne. That's just bad writing. And then Kate goes ahead and tells 'the ghost of wayne' exactly what she's feeling (on-the-nose dialogue), and that part was also bad.

Haha, that is pretty corny. A 5 year old being liable to kill her own daddy. Maybe if she was a teenager, it'd work, but at 5? Nah. Maybe he meant that he knew that in the later years, when she was stronger and more capable of killing him, she would. I think it would have made more sense if she had killed him when she was a teenager. I don't think one could endure abuse like that as a kid and finally crack 20 or whatever years later. Come on...


no new lost till january

WTF???

...I can wait. I'm patient...I am...I'm very patient...

yep...

Tiret
December 8th, 2005, 06:38 PM
I was five when I beat down a stranger who broke into my house in the middle of the night when my parents weren't home. I got shot in the shoulder and the bullet got lodged in, but I had a very quick reflex so I pounced the guy and sticked the guy with a glass shred. I was very lucky!! And LUCKY IS GOOD!!!!:D
HOLY COW! :eek: Did you really? What happened after that...did he run? How long until help came?

majorsal
December 8th, 2005, 10:59 PM
what did that whole kate/jack kiss really mean? or what i really want to know is; why did jack act the way he did with that kiss? he acted funny, like he either didn't want it or he suspected kate didn't. i wanted to hit him when he didn't get into it the way he should have. :p



sally :)

ItsDan
December 9th, 2005, 03:27 PM
Jack knew she was upset and didn't want to take advantage. Sawyer represents Wayne while Jack represents the 'good guy'.

ste
December 10th, 2005, 04:16 PM
I assumed that they did splice all of Eko's film in - it didn't look like it was much anyway. Eko seems like he recognizes the Dharma symbols - since he was wearing a suit when the plane crashed, I wonder if he is some sort of executive with the company (but doesn't necessarily know about this "experiment").

O-Ra - that was cool about the TV in the background when Kate was talking to her real dad!

i think he recognized the symbol because it was on the wall of the other station they where hiding in on the other side of the island.

aaobuttons
December 11th, 2005, 07:49 AM
I think Kate finds herself attracted to Sawyer because that's the only type of person she'll let herself be attracted to, someone who's as bad as her. She's attracted to Jack, but she fights it because she thinks he's too good for her. She had a moment of weakness and kissed him letting her true feelings out, but then pulled back when she realized what she was doing and shut herself up again. I think it's going to be interesting when she realized that Sawyer isn't the jerk he plays to be. But maybe by that time she'll realize she can have someone besides the 'bad' guy.

Vee
December 11th, 2005, 04:46 PM
Jack knew she was upset and didn't want to take advantage. Sawyer represents Wayne while Jack represents the 'good guy'.
I agree. I was afraid to mention the kiss because you invariably get shippers flying at you from all directions stuffing their opinions down your throat with a spiked spoon covered in three month old gravy. Er, no offense intended to shippers of course. It's just sadly been my experience.

It seemed to me that Kate was trying to repress her thoughts on Wayne and her attraction to Sawyer. She wanted to get away from her "bad side." Sawyer=Wayne=Bad Side. Focusing her frustration on Jack was a way of avoiding Sawyer.

Please note: I'm not suggesting Kate isn't attracted to Jack. I'm merely suggesting in that particular moment, the kiss was based more on desperation than actual attraction to Jack.

Tok'Ra Hostess
December 11th, 2005, 04:54 PM
I think Kate finds herself attracted to Sawyer because that's the only type of person she'll let herself be attracted to, someone who's as bad as her. She's attracted to Jack, but she fights it because she thinks he's too good for her. She had a moment of weakness and kissed him letting her true feelings out, but then pulled back when she realized what she was doing and shut herself up again. I think it's going to be interesting when she realized that Sawyer isn't the jerk he plays to be. But maybe by that time she'll realize she can have someone besides the 'bad' guy.

I don't know if it's meant play into this, but the only man Kate ever loved was also a doctor, Tom. Maybe kissing Jack reminded her that good people suffer because of her. Jack has that "I'll stick with you through thick and thin" mentality that Tom had, which got him killed. Guys like Sawyer are basicly self-centered and so can take care of themselves, which is easier to handle for an emotional cripple like Kate.

SmallTimePerson
January 19th, 2006, 08:47 PM
did anyone notice the horse trainer's hand on the screen when sawyer and kate saw the black horse?
i saw it on my first time through, ill make a cap of it soon...

Metarock Sam
June 14th, 2006, 08:53 AM
Well that was an interesting ep.
At least now we know 'what kate did' pardon the pun. :D
However Im more interested in the film. There must be more to it since there is quite a cut from when the man says 'do not use the computer' till when he says 'congratulations, amaste and good luck'.
Oh and that ending with The Computer. Now that is a cliffhanger expecially with the look on Michaels face as he mouths 'Walt'.
Oh and that preview for next weeks ep looks so brilliant. We are going to find out about Ekos past and also The Shadow Monster thing is back again !!! I cant wait !!!!

Anda
October 2nd, 2008, 04:31 AM
This episode was wery cool.Enspecially that kiss.