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November 14th, 2005, 06:43 PM
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When Oceanic Flight 815 crashes on the island, Ana Lucia and the other survivors of the tail section fight to survive when the mysterious Others begin abducting them -- and infiltrating their ranks.

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ShadowMaat
November 16th, 2005, 07:47 PM
Hmmm.... Hard to say how I feel about this ep. It was good... interesting. I could see a lot of parallels between the "tailies" and the fuselage folks' (fusies?) experiences... and a lot of differences, too. Obviously. I think it offered some good insights into who they are as a group and as individuals and I'm more curious than ever about Eko.

HOWEVER. I have had e-freakin-NOUGH with the whole backtracking thing and the COMPLETE LACK OF FORWARD MOTION!!! Jeez. We're HOW many eps in and it's only been, what, a couple of days, time-wise?? A relaxed pace is one thing, but Lost is practically comatose. I want things to HAPPEN, for cryin' out loud!

Yes, they found the bunker. Yes, Shannon got killed. Yes, we've found more survivors. But what else of any significance has happened and what have we actually LEARNED from all of this? Nada. It's sooooooo draggy. I might have been able to appreciate the ep more if I actually had a sense that things were moving along... and if they hadn't already pulled this stupid trick in the first two eps of the season. :rolleyes: I've had just about enough of this dead man's pace and coupled with the fact that TPTB have said that the Jack-Kate-Sawyer triangle is going to be getting a lot of attention (and eventually the Jack-Kate-Sawyer-Ana Lucia quadrangle) I'm revamping my viewing choices. Lost will no longer be the priority. I'll watch Criminal Minds or Veronica Mars instead. I'll catch up on Lost later.

Heh. The wonders of composing messages beforehand. :D THANKS SKYDIVER!! :)

Cinephilic TV Addict
November 16th, 2005, 07:47 PM
Overall, only a C or C+ episode – the teaser was good, and small parts of acts one, three, and four were good, but only a few really excellent moments. The problem they didn’t remedy was that WE NEED TO CARE ABOUT THE OTHER SURVIVORS. We care about Mr. Eco because he helped Jin. And this episode established sympathy for Ana (a little bit) and a very little bit for Libby (she was worried about the kids). Instead of establishing characters (which is what TV is all about) they thought little tidbits of several days was good television, and it was not.

Plus, not to mention a big thing about LOST is that things usually take place over the course of days at most, and trying to cram 48 days into one episode of a show that spent 6 episodes in the first season only covering one week is just a bad idea to begin with (just like part of the reason The Siege Part II of Stargate Atlantis was bad was because it introduced a link back to earth, when so much of the show rested on that feeling of being cut off from home).

Also, anybody notice the count error? There were 23 tail survivors, according to a previous episode, but we only saw 20 people survive/get taken/get killed. 3 people were missing. Seems like a really bad mistake in a show that places so much emphasis on a series of six numbers…

Osiris-RA
November 16th, 2005, 07:52 PM
I liked this one. While the characters were more Gap-like than ever, Ana Lucia is a real biotch - which makes her even cooler. I wasn't aware of all the plot holes and in consistancies since I was too busy laughing at the show in general. Ah, it's like a great island mystery spoof. I liked seeing what was happning thier side around - although it did seem to move pretty fast for 48 days. Overall, enjoyable as usual. That is, I'm a casual watcher...

FoolishPleasure
November 16th, 2005, 08:05 PM
What was with the guy saying he killed Nathan - he wasn't on the list because he wasn't good enough? So are all of them "not good enough"? And the kids are "in a better place"? Um, I hear that a lot when someone dies. :S

Interesting tie-in convo on the radio. . so Boone DID hear someone say they were survivors from the same flight!

This group has apparently never run into the "monster".

Since Ethan was a "spy" on our regular group, why has no one in that group been "taken" other than Walt?

The second hatch also had "Quarantine" on the inside of the door.

Where the heck are Rouseau and Desmond? And keep watch for someone missing an eye. ;)

ShadowMaat
November 16th, 2005, 08:16 PM
Hmm... were any Greek gods one-eyed? I know Odin was, but he's Norse. Will have to look around.

Is there one group of "others" or are there more tribes? And was Ethan around from the beginning and we just didn't see him, or was there a delay? I know episode-wise he didn't show up, but from the perspective of the characters, I can't remember.

Thing is... I know the Others are swift and silent and all, but the Fuselage and Tail landed on opposite ends of the island... and yet the dupes seemed to be right on hand to blend in. How'd they get there so fast? And how did they know? Or was it a coincidence that some of the others JUST HAPPENED to be on the other side of the island? ;)

LoneStar1836
November 16th, 2005, 08:38 PM
Yeah, I think that was about the only thing really interesting about this ep was that we learned someone, somewhere is missing an eye. :D

The kids are still alive cause didn’t Jin and Mr. Eko see them in an ep as they hid in the brush and the Others walked by with them or something like that cause I actually didn’t see that particular episode. I’ve just seen that in recaps.

Wonder what the deal is with the Army knife. Whose is it…..

So I guess Nathan really was from Canada. Maybe he once worked in Hurley’s shoe factory in Canada that burned.

ShadowMaat
November 16th, 2005, 08:40 PM
The Nathan/Ethan thing and the fact that they were both supposedly from Canada was probably just misdirection. Bah. :P

I don't remember seeing any kids, all the legs looked pretty much the same, but there WAS a battered teddy bear on a rope...

LoneStar1836
November 16th, 2005, 09:01 PM
I always figured Ethan was lying. :D So when they tried to pull the Nathan was from Canada bit so you’d think he was one of the Others…and then turned out not to be...well I’m guessing he was telling the truth before his neck went snap.

Hmm, ok that’s what I remember seeing in some recap then was the teddy bear on a rope. *shrug* Maybe they were carrying the kids. I seriously doubt they have killed any of them. Some of these people being without shoes might suggest that they could have been captured kids in the past who outgrew their shoes. Just a guess.

Cinephilic TV Addict
November 16th, 2005, 10:37 PM
I don't remember seeing any kids, all the legs looked pretty much the same, but there WAS a battered teddy bear on a rope...

If you go to the ABC lost website it says in the episode summary that the last set of 'other' feet was a child carrying a teddy bear.

TheObiJuan
November 16th, 2005, 10:44 PM
Hmmm.... Hard to say how I feel about this ep. It was good... interesting. I could see a lot of parallels between the "tailies" and the fuselage folks' (fusies?) experiences... and a lot of differences, too. Obviously. I think it offered some good insights into who they are as a group and as individuals and I'm more curious than ever about Eko.

HOWEVER. I have had e-freakin-NOUGH with the whole backtracking thing and the COMPLETE LACK OF FORWARD MOTION!!! Jeez. We're HOW many eps in and it's only been, what, a couple of days, time-wise?? A relaxed pace is one thing, but Lost is practically comatose. I want things to HAPPEN, for cryin' out loud!

Yes, they found the bunker. Yes, Shannon got killed. Yes, we've found more survivors. But what else of any significance has happened and what have we actually LEARNED from all of this? Nada. It's sooooooo draggy. I might have been able to appreciate the ep more if I actually had a sense that things were moving along... and if they hadn't already pulled this stupid trick in the first two eps of the season. :rolleyes: I've had just about enough of this dead man's pace and coupled with the fact that TPTB have said that the Jack-Kate-Sawyer triangle is going to be getting a lot of attention (and eventually the Jack-Kate-Sawyer-Ana Lucia quadrangle) I'm revamping my viewing choices. Lost will no longer be the priority. I'll watch Criminal Minds or Veronica Mars instead. I'll catch up on Lost later.

Heh. The wonders of composing messages beforehand. :D THANKS SKYDIVER!! :)


It's called charcter devolpment.
I was starting to hata Ana Lucia, but now I get her and why she acts the way she does. I understand why she shot first then asked questions later.


This episode was a little rushed, but overall a good episode. It gave insight into what they went through and important info into the other's and their potential motivation for snatching.

Shannon can't be dead, she just can't. There has to be some way she can recover.

The next few eps will be interesting. I will be torn bw the Sayid/Ana Lucia camp.

I gues the Jack/Kate ship has sunk, because Kate/Sawyer looked awfully close.

Also in the teaser, A.L. shoots the gun after shooting Shannon. I thought there was only one bullet in the gun??

Cinephilic TV Addict
November 16th, 2005, 10:52 PM
It's called charcter devolpment.

But it wasn't good character developement. Thank god for the scene with Ana crying, which really had the Lost-touch to it, or else I really still wouldn't like her character.

The problem with backtracking is you better make it really interesting and character driven, which this episode did neither. I liked it up through Bernard's rescue, but then it was all the same-old/no surprises crap until boone's voice came over the radio. The goodwynn fight was okay, accept we knew how it ended so they should of thought of a more creative way to, uh, have him get speared by a stick. Then there was the good crying scene with her and eco and the rest wasn't anything special at all.

Not a very good episode.

ShadowMaat
November 17th, 2005, 04:32 AM
What I got out of it is that Ana is basically a female Jack. I don't like him, either.

There was nothing surprising about this ep, either. We knew they landed in the water, we knew a bunch of them (particularly the kids) got taken, we knew they'd find the Dharma shelter, we knew Goodwin was doomed because we saw him impaled on a stick earlier, we knew (or I knew) they'd hear Boone as soon as they found that radio, and we knew Ana would shoot Shannon.

Now, if you keep something interesting and add some twists, you can make a "we know all that" ep really great. But... it didn't work for me. A few good character moments, mostly for Eko, but other than that I just didn't feel there much to the ep. It was a delaying tactic, nothing more.

Tok'Ra Hostess
November 17th, 2005, 05:17 AM
THE OTHER 48 DAYS

The harrowing first 48 days in the lives of the tail section survivors are revealed. (ABC)

READ MORE ... (http://www.gateworld.net/lost/s2/index.shtml)

A good ep, but not much to write home about.

Mysteries of the night would include what Ana Lucia does for a living. She can keep her head in a crisis, is observant, strong as an ox - did you see the size of that pit she dug? :rolleyes: She knew the general age of the Army knife, was ready to commit torture and she can obviously kick butt. Everyone automaticly looked to her for leadership and she automatically assumed it.

What did Goodwin mean by "good enough?" That's the creepiest bit of the ep, for me.

The bunker with Quarantine painted on the inside of the door. I'm surprised none of the Lostaways took any note.

The radio worked? Sayid was having a devil of a time with his relatively fresher radio. Plot hole or plot point? I dunno.

Glass eye? Holy Bible? There's a scripture about tearing out your right eye if it makes you sin.... I dunno.

I thought it was interesting how as soon as poor Nathan became a scapegoat... er... suspect, nobody recognized him from the plane, not even the flight attendant who's pretty good with faces.

Loved the Eko comforts Ana scene. I know a lot of fans dislike the Ana character but I like her. I'm looking forward to more development for her.

I would have preferred a three ep story arc for the other Lostaways. I'd have liked more drama, mystery and character development.

FoolishPleasure
November 17th, 2005, 05:39 AM
Overall I liked the episode, but it was too rushed. Would have been better, and we would have known the characters more, if this had been a 2-parter or a 2 hour episode.

Eko (or however you spell his name) is very intriging, and I do like Ana now. :)

Thermonuclearboy
November 17th, 2005, 05:49 AM
Also in the teaser, A.L. shoots the gun after shooting Shannon. I thought there was only one bullet in the gun??

There was. Either this is a continuity problem or Ana-Lucia has another trick up her sleeve...

We learn some things about the Others, though. They're taking people who are "good." I had a theory that the Others took Walt because they thought they needed to protect him for some reason, and that theory seems to have some weight. They thought they were rescuing Walt. We've seen through the flashbacks of our main castaways that all of our main characters have some hidden sin that they must atone for (ironically, Locke may be the most innocent of them all). So the Others didn't take them. Either that, or the tail-end survivors just had the misfortune of landing closer to the Others than the midsection survivors.

Also, it looked to me like the Others that Echo killed were wearing medical scrubs or some variation of it. Perhaps they were Dharma Intiative test subjects? Perhaps their rebellion and escape into the Island interior is the "incident" mentioned in the filmstrip?

I realized now I have misjudged Michelle Rodriguez. I thought she only had two facial expressions. It turns out she actually has FOUR. So she's twice the actress I thought she was.

:rolleyes:

ShadowMaat
November 17th, 2005, 05:51 AM
I'd like to know what he carved on his Stick of Silence. I've been wondering if he's Aborigine or if that's just more misdirection and he's actually the CEO of some Fortune 500 company or something. ;) And was his vow of silence part of some ritual, or just that he didn't have anything to say?

ZatNKitel
November 17th, 2005, 06:09 AM
I thought the episode was OK, but way too much of it was them telling us things we already knew. The bit with Goodwin was slightly enlightening about the others though.



The trailer for next week almost seemed to me like Ana somehow got a hold of Sayid's gun...

It's too bad because after this episode I still wanted Sayid to shoot her a few times.

Jack also seemed alot calmer at the news of Shannon's death than he was when Boone died - even though now he knows who was responsible.

ShadowMaat
November 17th, 2005, 06:24 AM
Couldn't find much in Greek mythos about a one-eyed god. The closest I came was the Cyclops. :rolleyes: However, cross-referencing that with constellations, some sites say that Apollo shot at the Cyclops, but other accounts reference Heracles shooting Zeus's eagle.

One site said the arrow is aimed at Cygnus. Fascinating...

KatG
November 17th, 2005, 06:28 AM
I found this interesting although a little slow.

I do have a little more sympathy for Ana Lucia now, although I still think she's a little hard-edged. Still, she really cared about the kids, and her promise to the little girl seems to be what's driving her. As to what she did for a living, I think she's had some military/survivalist training in the past. She's in really good physical shape, she knew CPR, how to get Bernard out of the tree, and what the knife was.

I'm loving Mr. Eko. He's just way too cool. He must be some kind of religious dude, hence his comment to Bernard that he would pray for Rose and for a rescue and his silence for "40 days" (a significant number in the Bible), and the way he handled the Bible they found in the bunker.

Bernard is very sweet. I can see why Rose loves him so much. Can't wait to see that reunion.

Also, am I the only one thinking that Goodwyn might actually be Kevin, the guy that was originally partnered with Desmond. If not, I still think he was definitely part of the Dharma project, especially given his comment that the ones not taken weren't good enough. And I agree with whoever said that was pretty creepy.

This definitely would have benefitted from being a two-parter, but I don't know if I could take much more of ignoring our other castaways from the mid-section.

Next week's ep looks really good and intense. Can't wait to see the showdown between Sayid/Ana.

Tok'Ra Hostess
November 17th, 2005, 07:13 AM
Next week's ep looks really good and intense. Can't wait to see the showdown between Sayid/Ana.

Ah, they'll get on just fine together. After all, they have so much in common. :D

twiggy
November 17th, 2005, 08:05 AM
Bernard is very sweet. I can see why Rose loves him so much. Can't wait to see that reunion.
that's most definitely going to be the best part of next week!
i loved the eko/ana crying scene. i thought it was touching.
i don't think that eko made a vow of silence. i think that he was in shock from having killed two people. unless in his religion you have to take a vow of silence after killing people :rolleyes:
and i really liked Ana. i thought it was so sad when the kids got taken.
i can't wait for libbly and locke to meet. since locke is the resident psychiatrist on the other side of the island, i wonder if they'll have things in common, or if libby will know there's something wrong with locke, etc.

Thermonuclearboy
November 17th, 2005, 08:56 AM
Oh Libby could write a frigging doctorate thesis on Locke, man...

KatG
November 17th, 2005, 09:19 AM
Ah, they'll get on just fine together. After all, they have so much in common. :D


You know you're right. Given their propensity for shooting and torturing people, they'll probably become soul mates if they don't kill each other first. :D

aaobuttons
November 17th, 2005, 12:54 PM
Also, anybody notice the count error? There were 23 tail survivors, according to a previous episode, but we only saw 20 people survive/get taken/get killed. 3 people were missing. Seems like a really bad mistake in a show that places so much emphasis on a series of six numbers…


Well, I wasn't really paying attention to the count, but did you count the dead people Mr. Ecko pulled out of the water? I think I saw three bodies. Also when they were burying broken leg guy I think I counted seven graves total, so maybe some people died and they just didn't show it.


Did anyone see what Mr. Ecko was writing on his stick? The writers said in a tvguide interview that it was very important . And to the person who thought he was a CEO type, he was in a business suit when he crashed, but he also appears to be a tracker when he went out with Jin. And anyone else confused as to why Mr. Ecko wouldn't try and grab the kids (with the bear) when he saw them in the woods with the Others? Even if he was outnumbered, the driving force of that group had been to get the kids... and he didn't even tell anyone when he got back with Ana-Lucia.

And can somebody explain the Apollo connection again with the swan and Shark? I got the whole Arrow of Apollo thing in this episode, but I still don't understand how it connects with a swan or shark.

On a final note: Anyone else feel that the whole "extended" episode part was a big crock? All it was was a recap of the last episode!

DJFavorite
November 17th, 2005, 01:25 PM
Couldn't find much in Greek mythos about a one-eyed god. The closest I came was the Cyclops. :rolleyes: However, cross-referencing that with constellations, some sites say that Apollo shot at the Cyclops, but other accounts reference Heracles shooting Zeus's eagle.

One site said the arrow is aimed at Cygnus. Fascinating...

Thanks a lot. You mention the Greek mythology and I can't think about anything else. So, here's what I've come up with. I just have some facts, but I can't put them together for any meaning.

Constellations: Cygnus (the swan), Lyra (also known as the vulture), Aquila (the eagle), Sagitta (the arrow)

The brightest stars in the first three listed make up the Summer Triangle. They are Deneb (in Cygnus), Vega (in Lyra), Altair (in Aquila).

Sagitta is inside the Summer Triangle.

According to one website (http://www.seds.org/Maps/Const/const_family.html), these constellations are part of the Hercules Family. If you look at the mythological backgound on the page for Cygnus, it says: "Cygnus, the swan, is one of the the two birds (Aquila, the eagle, is the second), which are hunted by Hercules. Yet it seems that the two birds were lucky and have escaped. It is assumed that these birds (together with a third one, the Vulture - nowadays the constellation Lyra) represent the Stymphalian Birds - one of the tasks of Hercules. "

Now, if you look at the 12 Labors of Hercules, you have: (reference: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/labors.html)

Labor 1: The Nemean Lion (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/lion.html)
Labor 2: The Lernean Hydra (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/hydra.html)
Labor 3: The Hind of Ceryneia (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/hind.html)
Labor 4: The Erymanthean Boar (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/boar.html)
Labor 5: The Augean Stables (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/stables.html)
Labor 6: The Stymphalian Birds (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/birds.html)
Labor 7: The Cretan Bull (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/bull.html)
Labor 8: The Horses of Diomedes (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/horses.html)
Labor 9: The Belt of Hippolyte (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/amazon.html)
Labor 10: Geryon's Cattle (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/cattle.html)
Labor 11: The Apples of the Hesperides (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/apples.html)
Labor 12: Cerberus (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/cerberus.html)Like I said before, I can't come up with anything (if any of it is significant) but perhaps you can.

ShadowMaat
November 17th, 2005, 01:53 PM
Man-eating birds? Well, that would fit with the "dark cloud" that Jack and crew saw on their journey to the hatch. And flight could also explain how the pilot ended up at the top of a tree. Somehow, though, I think that it's just a coincidence. ;)

Like I said, it's just kinda random stuff, but I have to believe that it ties together SOMEHOW or why mention it? These aren't Stargate's PTB, you know- when they show/tell you something, it has relevance. :P

SG1Atlantis
November 17th, 2005, 01:58 PM
Couldn't find much in Greek mythos about a one-eyed god. The closest I came was the Cyclops. :rolleyes: However, cross-referencing that with constellations, some sites say that Apollo shot at the Cyclops, but other accounts reference Heracles shooting Zeus's eagle.

One site said the arrow is aimed at Cygnus. Fascinating...
In relation to the arrow: the hatch that Desmond was in had a swan in the dharma symbol. The hatch found by the tailies had an arrow.

ShadowMaat
November 17th, 2005, 02:57 PM
In relation to the arrow: the hatch that Desmond was in had a swan in the dharma symbol. The hatch found by the tailies had an arrow.
Yes. Sorry. I was taking that as a given. ;)

memnarch
November 17th, 2005, 03:55 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. I felt that the show has been a little less than stellar recently, but this episode, though not without its problems, is hope for a brighter future for LOST. I really enjoyed everything in this episode about the Others. The conversation with Goodwin was particularly interesting. I think that the Others are experiments left behind by the Dharma folks who are kidnapping people and running their own experiments on them. Their interest in children is probably derived from the fact that they're more easily influenced. I also noticed that Goodwin volunteered to check the radio. I wonder why the Others need one. Mr. Eko (Eiko, Echo, Eco, whatever) is fascinating to me and I think he's the tailies' Locke. They'll probably get along great and I look forward to his back story.

On the other hand, I do feel that the other tailies besides Ana Lucia were underdeveloped, particularly Libby, who I want to more about! I mean, if the next episode is an Ana Lucia episode, then why have two in a row about her. However, I do think it was smart of the producers to show why Ana Lucia killed Shannon especially since people aren't warming to her as much as they'd hoped. I hope that the powers that be will begin moving the show's pace up a bit, seeing as some of the episodes have seemed to crawl recently.

Darren
November 17th, 2005, 04:22 PM
I liked the episode overall. Not the greatest, and it's less compelling when it doesn't include much of anyone from the "main" group we've come to know, and it didn't add much to what we already know -- just a closer look at the Others and why they might be taking people.

It was good for Ana Lucia's character, but obviously what she really is in need of is an entire backstory episode.

Eko is shaping up to be a great addition. His 40 days of silence seemed to be penance for committing murder.

This group has certainly seen a whole lot more of the Others (and less of other island elements, like the Monster). The Others have been infinitely more aggressive with them, even storming the camp and dragging people off (whereas Claire's abduction and attempted abduction were much more stealthy).

Two biggish let-downs, though:

1) The episode didn't progress the story much. From what we've already learned about the Tailies this season, did we really need to see vignettes from their first 48 days? It was nice to see the radio connection with Boone -- which fans who watch closely already expected anyway. But other than that, this episode didn't advance the story.

The show is moving at a snail's pace this season. These kinds of alternate-style episodes are interesting, but you can only watch a snail crawling for so long before you tire of it. In Season One they could get away with the very slow progression of time because we were getting to know everyone and their backstory; now we're just revisiting other aspects of their past, so the pace feels slower and is much more obvious.

2) Nice try with the Nathan red herring, but I didn't buy it for a second. His name sounds like "Ethan," they look a bit alike, they both claim to be from Canada, they allegedly weren't on the plane. I saw it as a misdirection from the first odd glance. I knew it was Goodwin, and I don't think I was being particularly clever.

Now if it had been Bernard ... that I would not have seen coming! ;)

twiggy
November 17th, 2005, 04:31 PM
i didn't think it was goodwin, only because the shipper in me was saying that Ana would fall for him and then he would get killed and she'd get crushed. which explains her cranky attitude.

ShadowMaat
November 17th, 2005, 04:47 PM
On the other hand, I do feel that the other tailies besides Ana Lucia were underdeveloped, particularly Libby, who I want to more about! I mean, if the next episode is an Ana Lucia episode, then why have two in a row about her.
Like I said, she's a female Jack. :rolleyes: Mark my words, even when there are eps featuring the other Tailies, it'll still be All About Ana. Just as it's All About Jack with the Fusies. :P

ShadowBG625
November 17th, 2005, 05:37 PM
My brother noticed something that...I didn't. In the scene where Goodwyn and Ana stop for a break on their way to go to higher ground to listen to the radio, there is an wide-angle view of the two, and my brother said that he saw a CAR in the background. I looked after that, but they never panned out to that angle again. Was my brother tired, or was their really a CAR??? :eek:

Cinephilic TV Addict
November 17th, 2005, 06:32 PM
Well, I wasn't really paying attention to the count, but did you count the dead people Mr. Ecko pulled out of the water? I think I saw three bodies. Also when they were burying broken leg guy I think I counted seven graves total, so maybe some people died and they just didn't show it.

It definitely could have been that some people died and they didn't show it, but it could not be the bodies Eko pulled out of the water. In a previous episode, we learned that 23 survived the crash.

Honestly, I think I made a mistake - I'm just going off of memory, but Libby said that the guy with the infected leg was the fourth to go, but I was counting the three people who got taken by the others as the other three. Libby probably meant three other people died before the leg guy, not including the three people taken the first night. That has to be it, because then it would equal 23.

Ascended Times.2
November 18th, 2005, 03:21 AM
My brother noticed something that...I didn't. In the scene where Goodwyn and Ana stop for a break on their way to go to higher ground to listen to the radio, there is an wide-angle view of the two, and my brother said that he saw a CAR in the background. I looked after that, but they never panned out to that angle again. Was my brother tired, or was their really a CAR??? :eek:

OMG I saw it!!! it's just a spec in the distance, at 33:34 minutes into it! It's a white sedan that pops out of the trees JUUUST as they pan to the close up of Ana. Muahahahaha, good spoting (for some reason, I can't take screen caps, so no picture proof evidence...:()

Hudson
November 18th, 2005, 09:02 AM
went to taht exact refernce, couldent see it :( sure it wasnt like, a sedan shaped bird? :D

FoolishPleasure
November 18th, 2005, 09:04 AM
OMG I saw it!!! it's just a spec in the distance, at 33:34 minutes into it! It's a white sedan that pops out of the trees JUUUST as they pan to the close up of Ana. Muahahahaha, good spoting (for some reason, I can't take screen caps, so no picture proof evidence...:()
The car in the distance was probably a mistake. The show is filmed in Hawaii and there are very few spots there where you won't see cars, bike, planes, helicopters, hikers. TPTB must get migraines trying to make this place seem totally deserted.

As for Eko. .on another board someone posted that TV Guide said what he scratched on that stick was very important. Anyone have a screen cap?

ItsDan
November 18th, 2005, 12:16 PM
Pictures goodness. I tried rotating it and lots of graphics stuff, but it's too angled I think. Middle word looks like _rill


Also looks like bottom row is : 620 CH

FoolishPleasure
November 18th, 2005, 12:33 PM
Pictures goodness. I tried rotating it and lots of graphics stuff, but it's too angled I think. Middle word looks like _rill
I checked "The Fuselage" website and some people have "enhanced" caps showing the word "Lord" in there, and other words that can't quite be read. But these could also be photoshop'ed as well (i.e., fakes).

Tok'Ra Hostess
November 18th, 2005, 01:15 PM
Middle word looks like _rill


Also looks like bottom row is : 620 CH


Do you suppose M.Eko's writing on a stick parallels Charlie writing FATE and then, LATE on his fingers?

aaobuttons
November 18th, 2005, 01:23 PM
Here's a link to the TV Guide interview that talks about the Stick (http://www.tvguide.com/News/AskAusiello/), Beware Spoilers!

narutofan
November 18th, 2005, 04:07 PM
My brother noticed something that...I didn't. In the scene where Goodwyn and Ana stop for a break on their way to go to higher ground to listen to the radio, there is an wide-angle view of the two, and my brother said that he saw a CAR in the background. I looked after that, but they never panned out to that angle again. Was my brother tired, or was their really a CAR??? :eek:

I saw it to it is around 33:42 - 33:45 into the episode. I saw a white object passing by in the backround, looks really small. For all I know it cold have been a polar bear

narutofan
November 18th, 2005, 05:31 PM
I have a video to confirm it. It appears in the middle and goes by fast about 13-16 seconds into this file. This is the best quality i could get in a little size. it is a wmv file about 2.0 megabytes.

http://media.putfile.com/Lost-207

MASON
November 19th, 2005, 12:33 PM
The Nathan/Ethan thing and the fact that they were both supposedly from Canada was probably just misdirection. Bah. :P
Speaking for Canadians, I have to agree, I don't know any Canadian who says, "I'm from Canada." What you say is, "I am Canadian, I'm from blank city, in blank province." Saying you're from Canada is like saying you're from the Northern hemisphere. :p

Definitely a diversionary tactic, or bad writing... remember the supposed French Canadians on Twin Peaks, what a joke. I hope they do a little more research than that for L O S T. They should just go hiking in the Adirondacks, about 40% of the people you meet on those trails are from Montréal or Québec City. :D

MASON
November 19th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Hmm, ok that’s what I remember seeing in some recap then was the teddy bear on a rope. *shrug* Maybe they were carrying the kids. I seriously doubt they have killed any of them. Some of these people being without shoes might suggest that they could have been captured kids in the past who outgrew their shoes. Just a guess.
Maybe they'll turn out to be the "LOST" boys from Peter Pan, although, Rousseau would make a pretty mean Wendy. :rolleyes:

Nyarlathotep
November 20th, 2005, 02:17 AM
While I was watching I really thought Eko was carving 'Thou shalt not kill' on the stick...

However, looking at the screen grabs I'm pretty sure I was wrong on that one :)

As for the episode as a whole, it was good seeing what had happened to the tailies, but as others have said it did seem a bit rushed and hasn't moved the story forward much. Still enjoyed it though.

Anubis
November 20th, 2005, 02:20 AM
It was certainly a cool episode, just catching up to the events of what happened to the other survivors. Especially Eko, he's certainly a cool guy - the new Locke. :P

Qasim
November 20th, 2005, 11:04 AM
Frack

Who cares what happened to them when do we get back to the fracking bunker?

Anubis
November 20th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Frack

Who cares what happened to them when do we get back to the fracking bunker?


Good point, actually. We haven't seen anything inside the hatch for some time now. I think it's episode nine that something related to it happens, though don't hold that to me. :P

FoolishPleasure
November 20th, 2005, 02:16 PM
Frack

Who cares what happened to them when do we get back to the fracking bunker?
They need to track down Desmond, and Rousseau for that matter, and try to piece together what is going on. Desmond knows the bunker and Rousseau knows about the radio tower and the Black Rock. And I'm willing to bet a paycheck there is another bunker out there somewhere. ;)

ShadowMaat
November 20th, 2005, 07:19 PM
They need to track down Desmond, and Rousseau for that matter, and try to piece together what is going on. Desmond knows the bunker and Rousseau knows about the radio tower and the Black Rock. And I'm willing to bet a paycheck there is another bunker out there somewhere. ;)
Yeah, but at this rate we'll never see any of them until S3. :rolleyes:

ZatNKitel
November 20th, 2005, 07:32 PM
Didnt that video from the Dharma people give us a number of groups on the island? Maybe I'm just crazy...

memnarch
November 20th, 2005, 08:39 PM
I seem to remember that too...I think it was something like 5 stations...well, if we've already seen the swan and arrow stations, then there are three left. If both of those stations were close to the outer edge of the valley that runs through the island (someone made a rough map, I have it somewhere...) that means that two of the stations are likely to also be on the outer edge and one is probably a central bunker, which is likely where the "Others" live. That's my theory...

Tok'Ra Hostess
November 21st, 2005, 08:15 AM
It seems to me that the "Others" are not so primitive as they dress up to be.

If Goodwin gave the list of the Tail survivors to the kidnappers, then that means that the better-dressed ones, like Ethan Rom and Goodwin are working right alongside the so-called primitives.

At present I'm thinking that the Others are all working out of one station and are assigned roles to play depending on the circumstances.

sitheguy78
November 21st, 2005, 08:20 PM
ok how does this work yeah:S the tail section landed in the sea yeah it comes in at a weird angle for all the pieces to fit. how can the tail and the middle fall on oposite sides of the island (im assuming its the oposite side because how long the trek was in the episode) and then the nose where the pilot died is in the middle of the island does that make sense to anyone if so please tell me

ShadowMaat
November 21st, 2005, 08:40 PM
Easy. The tail shears off in midair. We know that from the flashbacks. So the tail breaks off and falls in the water on, say, the West side. Next is the nose section, which breaks off to land in the jungle. The fuselage, with the wings (or a wing), manages to make it to the other side of the island (call it East).

Natch. ;)

Arative
November 22nd, 2005, 07:55 AM
I was thinking the girl that Ana-Lucia killed, the one with the note could end up being Rousseau's kid, never did get a good look at the girl.

Will be interesting to see the interaction between AL and Jack, both a leaders of thier people.

sitheguy78
November 22nd, 2005, 09:36 AM
ah i c i suppose when the plane was comin down and the tail ripped off it could of ripped the nose off half way down so its like breaking up a pencil and dropping it specially with wind and the distance it fell. thats me guessin ive only seen 13 episodes of series one and 2 of series 2 :P so dont shout at me if im wrong :P

Ascended Times.2
November 23rd, 2005, 10:02 PM
*sigh* I just hope the rest of the series isn't like this, seven episodes for every 108 hours...*sigh* It just never ends...lol :)

Erised
December 1st, 2005, 05:33 PM
Lol. Before seeing the episode, I thought it was going to be the next 48 days of the same group, not other OTHER 48 days of another group.
But I don't think I needed to see that part. I like our first group better! :D

Ascended Times.2
December 19th, 2005, 04:12 AM
Lol. Before seeing the episode, I thought it was going to be the next 48 days of the same group, not other OTHER 48 days of another group.
But I don't think I needed to see that part. I like our first group better! :D
Here, here! -holds up champagne glass- :)

The Signal
January 11th, 2006, 10:43 AM
Meh, not great but still good compared to as couple of S1 eps that i hated. Oh and for the record I got to see this episodes in the UK 100% legally, i swear! :P

Easter Lily
March 9th, 2006, 08:45 PM
Drats... I liked Goodwin...
Apart from Mr Eko and Bernard, he seemed to be the most interesting person in Group B. Ah well...
I'm not sure what I think about Ana Lucia at this stage... Who made her leader? How is it that she's this gungho creature and why is it everyone accepted her leadership straightaway? I didn't like her earlier on but typical of Lost... no one's a complete annoyance. The scene with Eko was a nice touch.

Egad... I think I skipped an episode...

FoolishPleasure
March 10th, 2006, 09:20 AM
Drats... I liked Goodwin...
Apart from Mr Eko and Bernard, he seemed to be the most interesting person in Group B. Ah well...
I'm not sure what I think about Ana Lucia at this stage... Who made her leader? How is it that she's this gungho creature and why is it everyone accepted her leadership straightaway? I didn't like her earlier on but typical of Lost... no one's a complete annoyance. The scene with Eko was a nice touch.

Egad... I think I skipped an episode...
There is an episode that shows Ana Lucia's background, which will tell you more why she is "in charge", and why she is so angry all the time. I liked her better after that.

Metarock Sam
May 24th, 2006, 03:16 AM
A Great Episode !!!!
I Pesonally dont like Ana Lucia but now I see her motivation and see why she is the way she is.
Eko Rules !!!!! He is so cool. 40 Days of Silence eh very interesting...
I like Bernard he is a really nice person.
I like Goodwin and it was a shame he was an other (it was also a shame he had to die too) and He was quite chilling though with the whole 'Wasn't good enough' makes you wonder....
The kids are intersting. Perhaps the Others are doing tests on children to unlock psychic potential or something like that.
And I saw the car !!!!
Cant wait till next week I want to See Sayid go mental !!!

rushy
July 16th, 2011, 09:35 AM
Would've loved a two-parter of this and skipping a bad ep. We should have seen more adventures of the Tailies.