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GateWorld
November 9th, 2005, 08:09 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 206</FONT>
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Shannon continues to see visions of Walt and strikes out on her own to find him. Charlie grows jealous of Locke's interest in Claire, while the tail section survivors continue their dangerous march through the jungle.

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ShadowMaat
November 9th, 2005, 08:14 PM
Dunno about anyone else, but that ep was kind of a disappointment. We don't really learn anything important, the character who dies even TELLS us she's useless, and while I've heard that some people were shocked about who did the killing, I saw it coming a mile away. Or a good fifty feet, anyway. ;)

The only thing of any significance happens right at the end.

Ya know, I'm all for a slower-paced series and all, but the slowness of this season is starting to frustrate me. I want things to happen, dammit!

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 9th, 2005, 08:18 PM
It was an okay episode. It was the 2nd (I think) episode I've watched straight through. Eventhough I've only watch a few episodes, I find the show very interesting.

Elwe Singollo
November 9th, 2005, 08:23 PM
It was nice to see Boone, or shall i say his hair? But, oh well, poor Shannon, although i never really warmed up to her, i wonder if the show is going to change much, but as she said, shes useless, so i dont know...

Cinephilic TV Addict
November 9th, 2005, 08:39 PM
honestly, this was just an okay episode like everyone else said, but it has been the BEST episode of season 2 so far. there was nothing bad about it, but it just didn't have anything special that made the first season so interesting. here's hoping, though, that the folks at lost are getting back on track and that the rest of the season will be spectacular.

on a side note, one thing did piss me off - i'm writing a spec script for lost in a tv writing class, and let's just say there goes my sawyer/shannon C story.

memnarch
November 9th, 2005, 10:31 PM
I need to know what the whispers were saying. Then maybe the story will have more to progress the storyline...

Naeara
November 9th, 2005, 10:46 PM
I thought the episode was only okay as well. It was pretty slow and I've never been that interested in Shannon so I found it a little boring. I was spoiled for the end, not who the killer was though. But as soon as Ana Lucia pulled out the gun it was pretty easy to figure out what was going to happen. ;)

I'm really looking forward to next week. I'm eager to learn more about the tail passengers and the Others.

Sparky13
November 10th, 2005, 04:49 AM
Ah, goodbye Shannon! Can't say that I'll miss you...but Sayid will. And if it matters to him, it matters to me.

I agree that this season is much slower-paced than the first. It has an almost "24" feel about it, as if we are watching real-time events. Which works fine for "24." For "Lost," not so much.

Sparky

FoolishPleasure
November 10th, 2005, 05:48 AM
Sort of a "yawner" episode, and I had the death thing figured out half way through (Shannon and Sayid run into the other group and someone is mistakenly shot). I never liked Shannon so. . .no big loss.

This will probably change Sayid quite a bit, but I hope not too much, as he is already one of my favs.

It was spooky how the one girl in the group suddenly vanished, and next week's episode looks very good!

Thermonuclearboy
November 10th, 2005, 06:02 AM
Considering that I and my friends hate Ana-Lucia very much, we're looking forward to the possibility of Sayid raising some serious hell on her next week...

I'm resentful of the character-building they gave Shannon. I HATED Shannon. I've known people like her in real life. And now we're given back story as to WHY she ended up like that, and I'm not allowed to hate her any more. Bleagh.

ItsDan
November 10th, 2005, 06:49 AM
Are we certain Shannon is dead? I know there were spoilers on the net and such but here's some of my thoughts:

1. The previews hinted at someone dying, but the previews always lie and mislead us.

2. If you do believe the trailers, they stated someone on the island would be "LOST" forever, not dead. Cindy (the attendant) got 'lost' from the group in the woods, and would make a good 'red shirt', especially since our focus was on Shannon.

3. Shannon's death was in spoilers on the net, how many legitimate spoilers have there been? Anyone remember "zombie walt"?

4. They're keeping us in suspense for another week since next week will deal with the other group, meaning if she was alive, 2 weeks from now it might be a suprise, if we all believe she's dead.

ShadowMaat
November 10th, 2005, 06:53 AM
Oh, I have no doubt that Shannon is really dead. She was kind of useless as a character and became even MORE useless after Boone died. She was a dogsitter and a ****-buddy for Sayid, but that's about it. Not sorry to see her go. ;)

ItsDan
November 10th, 2005, 07:26 AM
Did anyone else see Jack when Shannon and her step-mom were at the hospital?

VirtualCLD
November 10th, 2005, 07:35 AM
Did anyone else see Jack when Shannon and her step-mom were at the hospital?
Vaguely, and now that you mention it, did we see Shanon's step-mom and Shanon at the hospital in one of Jack's flashbacks (though I didn't know it at the time)? I like how all of the characters cross paths or have brief spots in eachothers flashbacks. For example, I vaguely recall Hurley appearing on the TV as the lotto winner in one of Sun's flashbacks (or was it her husbands)? I beleive there were others, though I can't remember them all.

EDIT: I'm not counting flashbacks to them waiting at teh airport since that's fairly obvious.

Sgt.Pepper
November 10th, 2005, 08:02 AM
Has anyone caught what Walt was saying this time, If its like last time its backwards but no one has posted the sound yet :( i would have tried doing it myself but my DVR was full b4 LOST GRRRR i am upset now

aaobuttons
November 10th, 2005, 08:02 AM
I thought this was a good episode. Not alot of action, but lots of interesting things happend. Rose is becoming one of my favorite characters, the fact that she still knows her husband is alive and that the hatch creeps her out is very telling in my mind. Walt showing up in Shannon's vision was interesting too in the fact that Sayid could see him. It confirms my theory that Walt is projecting his image to them, I think Vincent is the link; why he's talking backwards is what I can't figure out. (He said "the others are coming, they're close". BTW)
I also liked Sawyer calling Ana-Lucia Ponce de Leon, I think the title suits her. And I thought it interesting how Michael didn't give up on Sawyer even though he doesn't like him.

Anyone else starting to dislike Charlie and his obsessive behavior towards Claire and the baby? There's a marked change in him, and I can't decide if it's the stress of a newborn, or if he's already started using heroin again. If he's not already using, I see him starting up again. I just hope Claire gets smart before he goes completely creepy.

Oh, and we discover from Libby that there were more kids than just Walt... and they were taken by the Others too.

FoolishPleasure
November 10th, 2005, 08:03 AM
Did anyone else see Jack when Shannon and her step-mom were at the hospital?
Yep, I saw Jack walk by. :D

These people all seem to have crossed paths previously. Or maybe it is coincidence. ;)

ItsDan
November 10th, 2005, 08:08 AM
Here's a quick picture.

ItsDan
November 10th, 2005, 08:14 AM
"There's a marked change in him, and I can't decide if it's the stress of a newborn, or if he's already started using heroin again"


I thinks it's almost how like when someone quits drinking they'll start smoking, or pick up some other addiction. I think the combination of quitting heroin combined with his feelings of 'never being able to take care of anyone' have driven him to be obsessive over Claire's child.

Thermonuclearboy
November 10th, 2005, 08:29 AM
Yep, I saw Jack walk by. :D

These people all seem to have crossed paths previously. Or maybe it is coincidence. ;)

I think it's a given that Shannon's father was the other driver involved in the accident that led Jack to finding his future wife...which makes me wonder. Am I remembering the episode wrong, or did Jack make some kind of judgement call to save her and not him? This episode they said Shannon's dad was pronounced dead at the scene...I'm confused.

aaobuttons
November 10th, 2005, 08:36 AM
I think it's a given that Shannon's father was the other driver involved in the accident that led Jack to finding his future wife...which makes me wonder. Am I remembering the episode wrong, or did Jack make some kind of judgement call to save her and not him? This episode they said Shannon's dad was pronounced dead at the scene...I'm confused.

Jack did make the judgement call to save his future wife over Shannon's dad. And that actually makes Jack responsible for all the screwed up things that happened to Shannon after that.

FoolishPleasure
November 10th, 2005, 08:38 AM
Did some checking at thefuselage.com and speculation over there runs:

Ana Lucia was not necessarily the killer.

Cindy vanished, but apparently Libby was behind her going up the hill and was carrying Cindy's backback when they got to the top. Some folks think Libby is a "plant" - the tailenders version of our Ethan. Libby did say she was a clinical psychologist (and Jack thinks the alarm in the hatch is part of a psychological experiment.)

BTW.. .creepy, wet, backward speaking Walt said something like, "They are coming, they are close" when he visited Shannon in the tent.

ItsDan
November 10th, 2005, 08:49 AM
I might have to retract the part of my theory that Cindy could be the 'lost' one. Her name appears in credits for the next few episodes, although it could be flashbacks. Maybe we'll get to see where they take her.

Also Demond's actor's name is listed for the week after next.

Sgt.Pepper
November 10th, 2005, 08:50 AM
I think it's a given that Shannon's father was the other driver involved in the accident that led Jack to finding his future wife...which makes me wonder. Am I remembering the episode wrong, or did Jack make some kind of judgement call to save her and not him? This episode they said Shannon's dad was pronounced dead at the scene...I'm confused.

Well of course they told them that he died at the scene. Which do u think is less likely to be sued for Malpractice? He died at the scene or I had the hots for a patient so i fixed her instead of your dad, and for some reason i am the only doctor on call in the entire hospital, and these technicians around me cant even put pressure on wounds they are just there for looks, it makes me look as if i am the leader of something.

DJFavorite
November 10th, 2005, 09:14 AM
Vaguely, and now that you mention it, did we see Shanon's step-mom and Shanon at the hospital in one of Jack's flashbacks (though I didn't know it at the time)? I like how all of the characters cross paths or have brief spots in eachothers flashbacks. For example, I vaguely recall Hurley appearing on the TV as the lotto winner in one of Sun's flashbacks (or was it her husbands)? I beleive there were others, though I can't remember them all.

EDIT: I'm not counting flashbacks to them waiting at teh airport since that's fairly obvious.

Well, I read somewhere, I think TV Guide, that all the characters have crossed paths and are interconnected even prior to the crash. I really need to get the season 1 DVDs and review all the interconnections (not just in the backgrounds of flashbacks).

We have Jack and his connection with Shannon (her Dad's death), Sawyer and Jack (Jack's dad in the bar), Hurley and Locke (Hurley owns the company Locke works for).... any others?

ItsDan
November 10th, 2005, 09:15 AM
I just watched 2x01, Jack says clearly "Tube Mr Rutherford", ie, Shannon Rutherford's father.

ItsDan
November 10th, 2005, 09:21 AM
<i>We have Jack and his connection with Shannon (her Dad's death), Sawyer and Jack (Jack's dad in the bar), Hurley and Locke (Hurley owns the company Locke works for).... any others?</i>

Tons, it depends on how coincidental you want to be.

Jin saw Hurley on TV
Hurley's boss later became Locke's boss
Shannon had Sayid held in the airporte
etc

Vyse
November 10th, 2005, 10:19 AM
Jack didn't intentionally choose one patient over the other. In that situation, where the doctor has to choose, he is obligated to choose the patient who stands a better chance of living. I'm not sad that Shannon died, she was useless.

Arative
November 10th, 2005, 01:27 PM
Sawyer wasn't in too good of shape, he had passed out and was being carried on a stretcher. Shannon getting shot could be mis-direction to throw us off the fact that Sawyer is really dead, cause at the end I didn't really see a strecher anywhere.

DJFavorite
November 10th, 2005, 01:31 PM
<i>We have Jack and his connection with Shannon (her Dad's death), Sawyer and Jack (Jack's dad in the bar), Hurley and Locke (Hurley owns the company Locke works for).... any others?</i>

Tons, it depends on how coincidental you want to be.

Jin saw Hurley on TV
Hurley's boss later became Locke's boss
Shannon had Sayid held in the airporte
etc

I wasn't trying to identify the "casual encounters" (I mean there's the Sawyer and Boone in the Police Station), I was trying to identify the encounters where the have a real "connection". You might think the Sawyer and Jack are casual, but Sawyer was able to provide Jack in insight about his father before his death. And I wasn't looking for airport connections, but the Shannon and Sayid one could be considered a connection.

(as I went back and read my post, I think I wasn't very clear about my thoughts. Perhaps this post is clearer.)

twiggy
November 10th, 2005, 01:48 PM
i'm mad at charlie. he's a drug addict (even if he's recovering). he has no right to say someone else is not being responsible. taking drugs is one of the most irresponsible things you can do! and i was happy that locke is continuing his "fatherly" role in claire's life.

did anyone else wonder where kate was the entire time? i don't recall seeing her once!

DJFavorite
November 10th, 2005, 01:49 PM
did anyone else wonder where kate was the entire time? i don't recall seeing her once!

I noticed that too. I just chalked it up to her and Jack were busy in the hatch (their turn to input the numbers)

twiggy
November 10th, 2005, 02:05 PM
I noticed that too. I just chalked it up to her and Jack were busy in the hatch (their turn to input the numbers)
LOL! if you hadn't put that extra little statement in it, o man. it's funny how things can be misread...

DJFavorite
November 10th, 2005, 02:08 PM
LOL! if you hadn't put that extra little statement in it, o man. it's funny how things can be misread...

well, it could be what you thought as well. :p

ShadowMaat
November 10th, 2005, 02:22 PM
Yes, this ep was blissfully lacking in both Jack and Kate. So at least there was something good about it. ;)

I really don't think they're going to kill off Sawyer. And not just because they've been hyping the Jack-Kate-Sawyer triangle. :rolleyes:

ItsDan
November 10th, 2005, 06:08 PM
The father thing with Shannon got me thinking:


Much of Jack's abilities and dedication as a doctor, and the reason he was on the flight due to the damaged relationship with his father.

Kate's father was presumably abusive, I'm even guessing she ended up killing him, which is her crime. Not a spoiler, just my thoughts from how she described her home life. Running away from home ultimately led her to be on the plane.

Michael becomming a father (and then losing his son) was one of the most important parts of his life, and why he was on the plane.

Walt grew up feeling that his father had left or abandoned him.

Claire ended up on the plane because the father of her child abandoned her.

Charlie is trying to make up for his wasted life by becoming a father figure for Aaron.

Sawyer's father killed his mother and himself.

Sun's father was overbearing and tried to force her into a life she didn't want.

Jin was ashamed of his father for many years because of where he came from.

Locke has the biggest "daddy issues" of anyone.

Hurley's father was missing, or atleast we never saw him. When he won the lottery it has his brother (and his fiance), mother, and grandfather, but no father.

Boone's father either died or left his mother, do we know?

Shannon's father died which subsequently left her effectively alone in the world and was probably the most contributing factor to her becoming the girl we all dislike.


Anyone I'm missing? We don't know enough about Sayid I guess. Point being the theme of fathership and father-child relationships seems to be pretty prevalent.

Elizabeth Bartlett
November 11th, 2005, 06:51 AM
Shannon's dad *was* pronounced dead at the scene. I think Sawyer should have died because he was a jack-ass and no one really liked him. and I think that Syid is gonna go all wacko just b/c Anna killed his "girlfriend".

ShadowMaat
November 11th, 2005, 07:41 AM
I'm not a big fan of Sawyer, but I'm willing to admit that it's good to have some anti-hero characters around. Just because he's a jackass is no reason to kill him. Allow him a chance to start redeeming himself, piece together what's happening, and then die before he has a chance to tell anyone the truth about the island. ;)

If all of the characters were good and decent and wonderful... it'd be a very boring show. Characters like Sawyer just add a different edge.

Jonzey
November 11th, 2005, 07:50 AM
I'm not a big fan of Sawyer, but I'm willing to admit that it's good to have some anti-hero characters around. Just because he's a jackass is no reason to kill him. Allow him a chance to start redeeming himself, piece together what's happening, and then die before he has a chance to tell anyone the truth about the island. ;)

If all of the characters were good and decent and wonderful... it'd be a very boring show. Characters like Sawyer just add a different edge.
I didn't like Sawyer in season 1. I thought ''if I knew this guy in real life, I'd really hate him''. But I dunno- he seems different in season 2. Like he's a good guy at heart and he's going to do something great and heroic eventually. Whereas Jack is just a wuss now, spying on girls in the shower and so on. I think I mentioned this in one of the other threads, but it's almost like they've swapped roles.

Qtyled
November 11th, 2005, 08:26 AM
The next episode is "extended" if you call 5 mins extended :rolleyes:
http://www.tv.com/lost/the-other-48-days/episode/525249/summary.html

ZatNKitel
November 11th, 2005, 09:26 AM
Hey guys, first time poster here...

I know it would kind of destroy the suspense, but I was kind of suprised that Sayid didnt shoot Ana-Lucia on the spot.

aaobuttons
November 11th, 2005, 09:30 AM
I think it's called shock.

memnarch
November 11th, 2005, 10:26 AM
If Shannon is really dead, then that sucks. I'm not saying that I like her, although I think she was a good thing for Sayid, but rather that the producers are giving the characters' lives so little value in killing another character so soon. I also hated the way the death was done. First of all, the death had no meaning. It was accidental and is sure to cause a little drama, but it would have been SO much more interesting if they had had someone want to kill her and do it with malice. Second of all, they should have made the death a "Who shot JR?" moment, where we wouldn't find out for a while. Thirdly, the killer should have been Kate or Libby because either one would have made the death at least intriguing and maybe had the plot go somewhere that could be remotely unexpected.

Anubis
November 11th, 2005, 11:09 AM
I enjoyed the episode, I thought it was great to finally see something good after a couple of weeks waiting time - the wait probably had something to do with Shannon's death. ;) I thought the last couple of minutes were really cool, especially once Sayid saw Walt, too, and then Shannon dying in Sayid's arms. Good quality episode ending, similar to the ending of season of of 24, if you ask me. :P But still, good scenes.

Sawyer and Mr Eko are also developing very nicely, too, and I think they'll continue to be parts of focus for a while longer. :)

KatG
November 11th, 2005, 04:21 PM
LOL! if you hadn't put that extra little statement in it, o man. it's funny how things can be misread...

A lot can happen in 108 minutes. ;)

KatG
November 11th, 2005, 04:29 PM
I enjoyed this episode. It was a little slow, but still interesting.

Nice moments between Hurley and Rose. I just really really like Rose. She's so calm and balanced and deep. Can't wait for her to be reunited with Bernard.

Glad Locke tried to knock Charlie down a peg or two regarding Claire. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Even though Shannon was my least favorite, I was starting to like her and was sad to see her die, especially as I liked her with Sayid. And I don't like Ana either. Although it looks like next week they're going to try and make me feel sorry for her.

Next week should be interesting though. I'm looking forward to learning what happened to the tailies.

Astrofighter
November 11th, 2005, 09:13 PM
Hey guys, first time poster here...

I know it would kind of destroy the suspense, but I was kind of suprised that Sayid didnt shoot Ana-Lucia on the spot.

he doesnt have his gun right now, he took it out and left it in his tent

Chevron_nine
November 11th, 2005, 10:29 PM
Second of all, they should have made the death a "Who shot JR?" moment, where we wouldn't find out for a while.

I read this thoery on another board, but I thought I should post it here. If you look at Shannon's wound it doesn't really look like a gunshot wound. her shirt has a long vertical gash. It's more like cut or stab wound. It's possible an "other" stabbed or speared Shanon and the gunshot we heard was Ana shooting the other person. So we don't know for sure exactly what happened or if Shannon's going to die, although I think it's highly likely.

I didn't really like Shanon that much, but I did like the fact that as long as she was alive Boone was still alive in a way since we would see him through flashbacks. If she's gone it means the end of Boone too and I thought their backstory had some potential.

narutofan
November 11th, 2005, 11:27 PM
I read this thoery on another board, but I thought I should post it here. If you look at Shannon's wound it doesn't really look like a gunshot wound. her shirt has a long vertical gash. It's more like cut or stab wound. It's possible an "other" stabbed or speared Shanon and the gunshot we heard was Ana shooting the other person. So we don't know for sure exactly what happened or if Shannon's going to die, although I think it's highly likely.

I didn't really like Shanon that much, but I did like the fact that as long as she was alive Boone was still alive in a way since we would see him through flashbacks. If she's gone it means the end of Boone too and I thought their backstory had some potential.


I am supporting that theory too. I have viewed that scene enough that i am certain that is not a gun shot wound and appears to be a stab wound.:S

aaobuttons
November 12th, 2005, 08:04 AM
he doesnt have his gun right now, he took it out and left it in his tent

I would think he would have it again. He went out with Shannon the next day, and you don't just leave a gun laying around in a tent. Especially since he said he kept it on him to protect Shannon.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 13th, 2005, 03:04 PM
I never actaually saw this part but I know what Walt said (just click on the link):
http://www.tvsquad.com/2005/11/09/what-walt-said-on-lost-tonight

Qasim
November 20th, 2005, 11:04 AM
Damn you PTB!!!!

Metarock Sam
May 24th, 2006, 02:47 AM
I saw this ep last night and It was quite boringg. I just wanted to see what was hapenning to the Tallies which was good. Shannon is just an annoying character who I dont really like anyway so it doesnt matter if she died or not. Eko Rules !!!!
It might be possible that Shannon was stabbed. Ill have to check it again.
And Walt was so interesting.
Ive already seen the next ep and will post in a mo.