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July 12th, 2004, 08:01 PM
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<FONT SIZE=4 COLOR="#0066BF"><B>RISING, PART 2</B></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 102</FONT>
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A new Stargate team embarks on a dangerous mission to a distant galaxy, where they discover a mythical lost city -- and a deadly new enemy.

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DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 06:59 PM
Amazing! This episode was just awesome! Loved the space fighter sequence.

Selmak
July 16th, 2004, 07:00 PM
The jumpers missiles are cool!

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:03 PM
Those probes/glowing jellyfish of DOOM!!! are awesome. I loved the new Stargate in atlantis aswell. That was so cool, when it was dialing.

greytop
July 16th, 2004, 07:04 PM
Amazing! This episode was just awesome! Loved the space fighter sequence.
Me, too. The Wraith are also awesome, especially those Darts.

Selmak
July 16th, 2004, 07:04 PM
McKay: "Chevron 1 engaged" lol

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:05 PM
I love the howl they make when flying, and the transport beams. Those are so cool.

IWantToBelieve
July 16th, 2004, 07:05 PM
All I can say is well done! That was an awesome beginning to a very promising series. Can't wait till next week!

Beckett is hilarious, Shephard is much more than what I thought he'd be (and I was so relieved for that), Tey'la is even good and I was kind of worried about her character. Weir did a fantastic job, McKay, it was all just really really well done.

Larry The Chevron Guy
July 16th, 2004, 07:06 PM
McKay" "Is this LEMONS??" lol

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:07 PM
McKay: "Chevron 1 engaged" lol


Weir: McKay....
McKay: Oh right....(pushes 6 other chevrons)

I wonder what the atlantis chevron is, does anyone have screencaps from when they had daniel at the drawing board?

Also, what happened to this: The Kiss!? (http://gateworld.net/atlantis/s1/graphics/101_15.shtml)

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:07 PM
McKay" "Is this LEMONS??" lol

Luke strikes even in the Pegasus Galaxy!!

IWantToBelieve
July 16th, 2004, 07:09 PM
I think the kiss was a joke while they were filming, it wasn't in the actual episode.

GhostPoet
July 16th, 2004, 07:18 PM
Both my girlfriend and I were VERY impressed. We watched on the edge of our seats...I think I like it better than the first episode of SG-1!!! (gasp)

Marvelous
July 16th, 2004, 07:18 PM
After seening the Stargate Atlantis opener I think it will be a big hit. The new characters take over the show soon as the step through the gate. I think that the fear that the new characters couldn't be as good as SG-1 is behind me.

Mio
July 16th, 2004, 07:19 PM
Weir: McKay....
McKay: Oh right....(pushes 6 other chevrons)

I wonder what the atlantis chevron is, does anyone have screencaps from when they had daniel at the drawing board?

Also, what happened to this: The Kiss!? (http://gateworld.net/atlantis/s1/graphics/101_15.shtml)
daniel at the drawing board wouldn't have told us Atlantis's Chevron. Only the gate address from Earth.

Oh4CrynOutLd
July 16th, 2004, 07:20 PM
WOW! Stargate Atlantis kicks MAJOR "miktah"!

The writing was awesome. The acting was awesome. The effects were awesome. It was just awesome! :D

I find myself LOVING the cast. Favorite so far has to be Major Sheppard. He's like a young Jack O'Neill, except even more sarcastic, if that is possible. Lt. Ford is in second place. He is a cutie and has a great sense of humor. Coming in third is Dr. Beckett. I LOVE this quirky guy! :p That is an Irish, maybe Scottish accent, correct? He is just a hoot. Brings back memories of Trek. "I can't DOO it Capt'n! She needs more power!" hehehe :)

The Wraith are freaky scary. It's been quite a while since an evil character on a TV show freaked me out, and the Wraith have managed that. :S They are just evil. They suck the life from you! :eek: *shudders*

All in all, this is an excellent addition to the Stargate universe so far. I can't wait to see how this version of Stargate plays out over the season.

Rating so far: VERY cool. :cool:

Mio
July 16th, 2004, 07:20 PM
Agreed. This show shows a great deal of promise :)

Rukkian
July 16th, 2004, 07:21 PM
All I can say is WOW! I have tried to stay away from spoilers on the new series to be unsuspecting. If this is any indication of the season, I cant wait.

Selmak
July 16th, 2004, 07:21 PM
The gate dialing sequence is weird... it doesn't look like the chevrons move... it just lights up in a circle.

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:22 PM
I loved the new wormhole. I also liked they showed it once, and didn't kill it in the first episode.

Guy: Look at this (turns on iris)
McKay: Power....Power....POWER
Guy: oh...(shuts it down)

Rukkian
July 16th, 2004, 07:24 PM
Actually, I thought the only one that moved was the one on earth, since we basically have our computer do a manual dial to get around not having a DHD.

Selmak
July 16th, 2004, 07:24 PM
The wormhole was cool... I still have my reservations about the light up gate.

Selmak
July 16th, 2004, 07:25 PM
We also know the wraith darts have remote dialers too.

Adamixoye
July 16th, 2004, 07:26 PM
Beckett's accent is Scotish.

Fantastic episode. I might be hooked already. What a way to start the season for both series.

Thumbs up to all characters, particularly Sheppard, Beckett, McKay, and Teyla.

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:28 PM
THis was a great epsidoe. Two thumbs way up! If anyone disagrees...take thier thumbs!

Mio
July 16th, 2004, 07:28 PM
I wonder how old the Keeper was? Could she have existed back when the ancients were still around?

Calicto
July 16th, 2004, 07:29 PM
Excellent Episodes. I believe that they may have cut things out.

The kiss for one thing.

Also, in some images, there was an image of Wraith running after the team... hmmm...

kdavis004
July 16th, 2004, 07:30 PM
I enjoyed the pilot. It is going to get sometime to get use to it. I will enjoy this show. I think Atlantis is going to do well once SG1 is off the air.

kiwigater
July 16th, 2004, 07:32 PM
Gosh. I have to confess I'm pleasantly suprised! :)
I mostly avoided Atlantis spoilers, and pretty much ignored the fact it was coming. Even tried to have pretty low expectations (after all, what are the chances TPTB can come up with 2 great casts etc)???

Well, I guess the answer is, pretty d_mn likely!
I thought the cast had great chemistry - this is a biggie for me (I won't watch Enterprise cos I just don't feel the cast chemistry). They did a great job of standing as independent characters once away from the SGC, had witty, funny interactions (LOVE that Dr Beckett! - I'm confused - is that accent Scottish or Irish??).
I wasn't convinced the Wraith would be a suitably menacing threat, but now I'm a convert (I can't wait to see how much time will be devoted to them, or if they'll only show up every now and then). The shot of all the wraith waking up was pretty spine chilling :eek:
I like the way there's a larger number of people (ie. not just the dynamic between the main 4) - will be interesting to see how this plays out on a weekly basis.

Anyway, enough babbling from me!
Kiwigater gives Atlantis a big thumbs up and will be watching next week eagerly!!! (much to her suprise :p )

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:32 PM
SG1 will never go off the air!!! NEVER!!

Who has the guy who was taking people to the keeper? The Caretaker or something!?

Mio
July 16th, 2004, 07:33 PM
He was definetly a ranking person.

Avalar
July 16th, 2004, 07:33 PM
Even though the new wormhole is cool, I still like the old one better (The full one, like, the one they showed in the movie). It just had more going on and it had that cool light swisher thingy.

Selmak
July 16th, 2004, 07:34 PM
I hope we get to see the inside of a Wraith dart one day.

Calicto
July 16th, 2004, 07:35 PM
Actually, MANY of the things in the lowdown were not in the pilot... maybe they'll be in 38 minutes.

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:35 PM
They are most likely going to hijack one, just as they did death gliders.

So why are there 9 chevrons? To account for....!?

Selmak
July 16th, 2004, 07:36 PM
We should start mapping out atlantis... where everything is. Is the Gate room in the tallest tower?

Calicto
July 16th, 2004, 07:37 PM
Beckett rocked.

My sister and I just loved his lines.

Beckett: Why dont I make friends like that?
McKay: *eating something* You need to get out more
Beckett: Out of the Galaxy. Isnt that out enough?

Mio
July 16th, 2004, 07:38 PM
We should start mapping out atlantis... where every is. Is the Gate room in the tallest tower?
I hope so. Since the Ancient's legacy will always be the stargate network, I'm willing to bet that they put it in the central structure.


But the gate room is so small that it's probably either at the base or very top.

Oh4CrynOutLd
July 16th, 2004, 07:38 PM
I wonder how old the Keeper was? Could she have existed back when the ancients were still around?

I think she was there when the ancients were there. She recognised the Ancient technology Sheppard had. SO, maybe she was around when the Ancients were.

Fly by quote from Lt. Ford: (only heard this on second viewing of Atlantis)

Lt. Ford: (talking to some scientists as the camera sweeps by them) Does ANYone know what language these people are speaking?!

The way he said it was just funny. :rolleyes:

Selmak
July 16th, 2004, 07:40 PM
But the gate room is so small that it's probably either at the base or very top.

It couldn't be at the top because the jumper bay is above it.

Mio
July 16th, 2004, 07:41 PM
It couldn't be at the top because the jumper bay is above it.
I mean the gate 'facility'

Mio
July 16th, 2004, 07:41 PM
I wonder if Atlantis has a big honkin' Hyperspace generator somewhere?

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:43 PM
It would have to have one, inorder to have interstellar travel. I mean it did go from Earth to Atlantis.

OzGirl
July 16th, 2004, 07:43 PM
This entire episode was very good. Kept me interested the whole time.
Atlantis rising from the ocean was beautiful -- I think the sets are fantastic
as are the visual effects.

I like Sheppard. He's a loner and rather cynical and doesn't take crap from
anybody. I don't care for this Elizabeth Weir much, but maybe she'll grow on me.
I liked the original Weir at the end of S7 SG-1.

I love the Scottish guy, because I sense that he's supposed to remind
one of Scotty from Trek, except he's like the opposite. He breaks things!!
LOL I think he'll be my favorite.

RDA and Shanks were good in the beginning. Jack had to hold Daniel back!
Poor guy wanted to go so badly. RDA looked like he was right at home in
that helicopter. And General Jack was being very General-like.

I see they re-used some alien characters from SG-1 episodes -- wasn't
Dr Weir's "Simon" really Narim -- I think that was his name, a Tokra.
And wasn't that red-headed guy they first met on the new planet from
that SG-1 episode where the sphere was shrinking around the town, and
people were disappearing, but the computer kept reloading their memories --
can't recall the name of the episode.

I liked this new show so far. It was a very fine effort. :)

OzGirl

Oh4CrynOutLd
July 16th, 2004, 07:47 PM
But the gate room is so small that it's probably either at the base or very top.

As far as location of the gate room, remember that the Puddle Jumper drops down from the hanger(?) into the gate room. So, the gate room has to be under the hanger or whatever they are gonna call it. :o

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:47 PM
The set is awesome, i agree. TO think it took them like two weeks to build it. It came out really well.

the adventurer
July 16th, 2004, 07:47 PM
Oh yes, the M.A.L.P in Space was pretty hillarious.

Oh and I really liked how TEYLA's people didn't come off at Totaly primitive like the Jaffa. They know about Gate travel on thier own, and apparently use what little technology they can scrounge up. I hope we see them (and other Wraith attack refugees as time goes on) become more a part of the goings on of the Atlantis base (what if they ALL have the Ancient Gene and are needed as pilots and technitions, that'd be cool).

Oh4CrynOutLd
July 16th, 2004, 07:48 PM
I mean the gate 'facility'

You guys type too fast, you beat my replies! :rolleyes:

Selmak
July 16th, 2004, 07:49 PM
The gate dialing sequence is weird... it doesn't look like the chevrons move... it just lights up in a circle.
Never mind they do move... it's just so fast it's hard to tell.

Mio
July 16th, 2004, 07:49 PM
Oh yes, the M.A.L.P in Space was pretty hillarious.

Oh and I really liked how TEYLA's people didn't come off at Totaly primitive like the Jaffa. They know about Gate travel on thier own, and apparently use what little technology they can scrounge up. I hope we see them (and other Wraith attack refugees as time goes on) become more a part of the goings on of the Atlantis base (what if they ALL have the Ancient Gene and are needed as pilots and technitions, that'd be cool).
They don't use 'what little technology they can scrounge up'. They try to avoid it, apparently. They have a whole colony of the ancients (probably, at least) at their disposal. They're just petrified of what'll happen if they use it.

Mio
July 16th, 2004, 07:49 PM
You guys type too fast, you beat my replies! :rolleyes:
It's a gift.

Selmak
July 16th, 2004, 07:52 PM
So, the gate room has to be under the hanger or whatever they are gonna call it. :o
I'm gonna call it "The Jumper Bay".

Oh4CrynOutLd
July 16th, 2004, 07:55 PM
As far as the Gateroom location, I would think it would be in the center of the "island", don't ya think? And, judging from when they look out the window when the island surfaces, maybe the middle of the center tower? Who knows for sure until we see more of this great new series...

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 07:56 PM
I wonder how they replenish the pods/glowing jellyfish of doom.

Oh4CrynOutLd
July 16th, 2004, 07:57 PM
I'm gonna call it "The Jumper Bay".

Yeah. I saw your post after I posted mine, and I thought "Man, that has a nice ring to it." I'm with you on that label until the show says different.

Mio
July 16th, 2004, 07:59 PM
I wonder how they replenish the pods/glowing jellyfish of doom.
The asgard are less advanced and can synthesize things with their transporter technology (ie: Star Trek Replicators)

The ancients probably have a system that can synthesize items.

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 08:01 PM
Yea, the probes are cool, we need some of them to defend the salt mines. I'll charge it on your credit card, that is sitting here in your wallet Mio.

Mio
July 16th, 2004, 08:02 PM
Yea, the probes are cool, we need some of them to defend the salt mines. I'll charge it on your credit card, that is sitting here in your wallet Mio.
::clenches his fists::

I need to go to bed....so to make a point in this post:

ATLANTIS ROCKED!

Ancient
July 16th, 2004, 08:04 PM
I must say that this show far exceeded my expectations, I think it is envitable they will find some ZPM's so wont that allow them to return home?


I know that would kill the story but never the less

DownFallAngel
July 16th, 2004, 08:04 PM
I think Teal'c will finish it off with:

"Indeed."

Oh4CrynOutLd
July 16th, 2004, 08:04 PM
Well, I'm gonna call it a night. Talk to all you guys later!


"Right now I'm thinking of a turkey sandwich." -Sheppard.
Nothing happens.
"Worth a try." -Ford, shugging.

Adamixoye
July 16th, 2004, 08:06 PM
I see they re-used some alien characters from SG-1 episodes -- wasn't Dr Weir's "Simon" really Narim -- I think that was his name, a Tokra.
And wasn't that red-headed guy they first met on the new planet from
that SG-1 episode where the sphere was shrinking around the town, and
people were disappearing, but the computer kept reloading their memories --
can't recall the name of the episode.
Yes and yes, except Narim was Tollan, not Tok'ra.

Also, I've heard the actor who played Lt. Elliot in SG-1 will be making an Atlantis appearance as a different character. This always bugs me. Why can't they get new people?

keshou
July 16th, 2004, 08:06 PM
Random thoughts on the premiere:

*General setup was really pretty cool. The mythology of Atlantis has always fascinated me and I'm interested to see it tied into the Ancients backstory. I'm a little confused about why the all-powerful Ancients with the neat toys couldn't handle the Wraith a little better but maybe that will be revealed as we go along. I loved the city on the water, rising out of the sea and the idea of the team being stranded with the Ancient's city as their base is intriguing. I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do with that aspect of the show, which to me is the biggest departure from SG-1. The rest of the premise is similar to the formula they used with success on SG-1. Opponent who appears unbeatable, technology they don't understand, forced to seek allies thru the gate system while encountering unknown dangers, etc.

*Joe Flanigan's Sheppard was a very pleasant surprise! Sure, he's a Jack O'Neill version 2.0 but he's cute and has a nice natural charm and sardonic wit that I enjoyed very much. McKay was great, although he seemed to get stuck with a lot of exposition in this premiere. Hopefully he'll get more to do. He *did* get some great lines and the "lemon" thing at the end was very funny and a nice nod to his original introduction on SG-1. :) Rainbow Sun Franck's Ford character was also fun and I liked the dynamic between Ford and Sheppard. Weir seemed to come and go for me, sometimes she seemed a little "off" and other times I liked her quite a bit. The Scottish doctor just needs a little time for development. I thought he was quite amusing although I confess I kept thinking of Scotty when he was delivering his lines. Teyla was my least favorite. Maybe it will get better but I didn't care for the character very much at first meeting.

* Special effects were really stunning. :) New wormhole effect to the Pegasus galaxy, goosebump effects of the city rising out of the water, orbiting gates, the wraith darts streaking out of the gates, etc. I loved the look of the city, isolated in the middle of the ocean.

*Sets are indeed impressive. And big. Wow. I really loved the city and can't wait to see more of it. At first I didn't care that much for the look of the gate (looked a little Las Vegas) but it did seem to fit the sleek modern architecture so I'm going to go with it. ;)

*The Wraith. Reserving judgment until I see a little more of them. I guess they didn't impress me that much this first time. I think I kept getting distracted by the bad teeth and wondering if the evening gown was a rip-off of an old Donna Karan that I once saw Streisand wear. Maybe I'll be more creeped out when I see them next time.

So not a bad way to start at all. It was well-paced, I was never bored. It actually impressed me way more than I expected. Yay! :D

DAL SHAKKA MEL
July 16th, 2004, 08:10 PM
I thought it kicked major ass!
The only major dissapointment was that the cerveron guy was left out! they had some other guy call out the cheverons!

Was anyone else dissapointed by the lack of cheveron guy?

Avalar
July 16th, 2004, 08:16 PM
The Wraith woman didn't do it for me. I think she talked a little goofy and she wasn't that weird. The other one though, that guy with the two-strand beard thingy, was a little creepy and I don't know what to say about the guards, they kind of went against the sleek look that I thought the Wraith would have.

All in all I don't think they're bad villains. The whole life-sucking thing is always cool but not too original.

Loki
July 16th, 2004, 08:17 PM
The show was excellent and geniuely felt different than Sg-1 (other than the Wraiths, which I'm venting about in another thread :p ). I knew I really liked it when I can watch a show for two hours and still want to see the next episode immmediatly. Overall, I was very impressed and hope that this show gets the fan (and ratings) support it deserves.

Kaloo
July 16th, 2004, 08:24 PM
The Drones are a standard wepon :D :D :)

Adamixoye
July 16th, 2004, 08:26 PM
The Drones are a standard wepon :D :D :)
I love the drones.

Shipperahoy
July 16th, 2004, 08:41 PM
I'm still in the middle of watching it but I really like it so far. I like Sheppard a lot more than I expected too. The effects are great. The whole time Garwin Sanford was on I couldn't help myself from thinking "But that's Narim!". I think they should have used someone else for that part. Gonna go back and finish it now.

Chevron 1
July 16th, 2004, 08:46 PM
To quote The Joker from the Batman-Superman Animated Movie, "Look at all the toys!"

I love the new dial-up sequence. And with it being the base and with a DHD built in, no need to account for spacial drift, Dopplar Shift, or all that stuff Carter said in SG-1 premiere all those years ago.

Although there will be no need for a chevron guy now...or at least truncate the saying: "chevrons 1-2-3-4-5-6-7", or something.

And the puddle jumpers...Incredible...I was hoping that sandwich would appear somewhere...

All in all, very cool.

uknesvuinng
July 16th, 2004, 08:55 PM
I thought it kicked major ass!
The only major dissapointment was that the cerveron guy was left out! they had some other guy call out the cheverons!

Was anyone else dissapointed by the lack of cheveron guy?
Well, we have McKay. All this time we thought he wanted to be more like Carter, and he really just wanted to be the Cheveron Guy.

chiefchucky
July 16th, 2004, 09:31 PM
I enjoyed this premiere although it wasn't outstandingly good it was still a good solid episode. I wish it had been presented commercial free because then they could of had another half an hour and it wouldn't have felt rushed. Other than that Stargate Atlantis Is a damn good show so far.

P90
July 16th, 2004, 09:47 PM
Amazing. Simply amazing. I'm almost looking forward to Atlantis more than season 8. :D The wraith were alot more freaky than I thought they would be, and I am in love with the Puddle Jumper. That scene had my heart beating faster than I could remember in a long time. That was so amazing. My mind has been blown. Atlantis has blown my mind.

Liebestraume
July 16th, 2004, 09:58 PM
Very pleasantly surprised :) (and to think till two weeks ago I hadn't planned on watching it).

I must confess that being unexpectedly impressed by Flanigan in Lowdown was the main reason that I decided to give this a try. Being unfamiliar with any of his previous work, I nevertheless liked his easy charm and laid-back manner. And his Sheppard did not disappoint -- he is Jack without the "dumb soilder" act.

However, tonight's hands-down "sleeper hit" had to be Beckett. I thought he was very funny without really trying, and McGillian's delivery was hilarious. I hope to see more of the dear doctor in the future episodes.

If truth be told, I hadn't been very impressed with Higgison's Weir in SG-1. But, somehow, she just seemed to be more in her element here. I think I now start to see TPTB's wisdom in the cast change. And Dr. Weir's ability to make the hard decisions totally made a big fan out of me.

But I am not overly thrilled with the new villains. For starters, they are just too aesthetically unpleasing to hold my attention (apologies for a personal moment of shallowness :p). So far, their evilness seems to be very one-dimensional but I believe this will change as the season progesses.

All in all, a promising pilot. I think I'll watch next week. :)

Shipperahoy
July 16th, 2004, 10:04 PM
I just finished the episode. I really liked it. I'm still not sure about the Dr. Weir character but maybe she will grow on me. I love Sheppard and McKay was at his best. I'm really looking forward to the series. What happened to no ship on Atlantis though? It sure looks like there's something between Sheppard and Teyla but maybe it's just my imagination. I don't really care one way or another. But I really like the Sheppard character. He's great. At least I know that if this is Stargate's last year that there is something else that is watchable out there. SG-1 will always be my favorite though.

actorguyil
July 16th, 2004, 11:42 PM
Random thoughts on the premiere:

*The Wraith. Reserving judgment until I see a little more of them. I guess they didn't impress me that much this first time. I think I kept getting distracted by the bad teeth and wondering if the evening gown was an old Donna Karan that I once saw Barbra Streisand wear.

That was Streisand, wasn't it?

Pat :p

morjana
July 16th, 2004, 11:54 PM
The SciFi Channel's "Stargate Atlantis" site has an content in their
episode guide for 'Rising':


Rising - Part One

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/season1/episode101/

Includes four photos and an episode synopsis.


Rising - Part Two

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/season1/episode102/

Includes four photos, an episode synopsis, and a cast list.


|*|(*)|*|(*)|*|

Morjana

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Richard Dean Anderson Fans
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Hyperspace
July 17th, 2004, 12:27 AM
Wraith bad teeth? I thought they were braces, lol.

Cool episode regardless. Do the Wraith even need teeth? Looks like they eat with their hands!

Anthro Girl
July 17th, 2004, 02:45 AM
I'm sitting here with this stupid grin on my face. :D Great work! Two thumbs up...waaay up! What a way to start a series...again! I have been trying to avoid major spoilers about plotlines, so it was great fun!

The cast was great, the story was a whirlwind and the FX were grand! I especially liked the floating gate, the Wraith ships and Sumner's demise! I think the cast is going to be just fab and I could easily become a big fan of Beckett. :)

It was a little strange seeing Garwin Sanford playing Weir's S.O., but I'm glad he got the part. The TPTB should have known the SG-1 fans would have noticed, though. My husband - who doesn't read spoilers or forums and sometimes has the attention span of a gnat while watching TV - said, "Hey, isn't that..." so, oh well! :rolleyes: It was also nice to see Christopher Heyerdahl back from S7's Revisions. I really liked him as an actor.

Great job all around. Can't wait to see more!

Teal'c
July 17th, 2004, 04:23 AM
Brilliant! :D

I loved McKay, definately my favourite character. Beckett is second. Can't wait to see more, no matter how detailed the synopseseseseses I read were, there were still surprises, like Simon (who I didn't see as Narim :P).

I can't wait until next week, should be some quality McKay stuff (He went hunting for Luke at the end of the episode :P)

Mio
July 17th, 2004, 04:24 AM
I love the drones.
Glowy Jellyfish of doom.

ChopinGal
July 17th, 2004, 04:46 AM
Just adding my voice to the positive reviews! I wasn't planning to get so hooked so fast but the excellent special effects, the characters' interaction, the writing, the humor - what's not to like? Kudos to TPTB for getting this one *right*! The "Rising of Atlantis" may become one of the most memorable and exciting scenes in scifi - it was technically and aesthetically glorious, especially with the sun shining on the set.

No need to say more right now as I would just be repeating what most of you have already been writing (although the Donna Karan gown was quite an original reply!) ... how great to have a second Stargate to watch on Friday nights ;)

One thought, though ... at the little banquet/reception at the end, I wondered how they were going to procure a constant supply of "fresh food"? Hope they like *fish*!

OzGirl
July 17th, 2004, 05:10 AM
Yes and yes, except Narim was Tollan, not Tok'ra.


Ooops!! Yes, Tollan. I was sooooooo tired when I posted.
All that hanging on the edge of my seat and such... :)

OzGirl

keshou
July 17th, 2004, 05:15 AM
What happened to no ship on Atlantis though? It sure looks like there's something between Sheppard and Teyla but maybe it's just my imagination. I don't really care one way or another. But I really like the Sheppard character. He's great.

I saw that ship too! I don't know, this pilot was probably written last fall when they were casting and maybe they decided to leave in the little shippy bits in the premiere but back off of anything overt for the remainder of the first season. I think they ought to just see how things go as they develop the characters.

I'll join you in saying I really liked the Sheppard character - A LOT. He's somewhat like the Jack O'Neill of the early seasons of SG-1, but different enough that I think I'll probably stop comparing them after a few more episodes. I also didn't mind that the writers decided to not have him play "dumb" too much. I inwardly cheered when he came up with the 720 so quickly when McKay was rattling on about gate address permutations.

Nolamom
July 17th, 2004, 05:29 AM
I didn't interpret the interaction between John and Teyla as at all "shippy". She commented earlier that the Colonel "looked right through her" but that he didn't. She liked it that he accepted her as a person AND the leader of her people - without immediately assuming: 'these folks are less advanced than us, so how much help could they be - and by the way *I'm" the top dog around here' attitude that the Colonel displayed.

Yes, I missed Chevron Guy too. Loved the lemon comment by McKay - Luke must be skulking around somewhere!

Overall - two thumbs up for the series premiere. Great job all around!

nugglebugget
July 17th, 2004, 06:21 AM
What can I say but,"Way Cool!"

Great cast,good chemistry all around.I liked Ford & Sheppard's interaction a lot.I'm guessing the "Ancient's" devices are responding to Sheppard's "ancient -gene".
Btw,the exchange at the end with Becett & McKay,where McKay is munching away I could have sworn he said [with alarm;) ] "Is this Orange?".A couple people have mentioned "Lemon"[per the attempted death-by-lemon-chicken-courtesy-of-Luke:D ]so maybe I didn't hear it right.Either way,it's citrus & so bad for his complexion,what with hives & swelling & all...
I'm really fond of Beckett & hope they develope Ford's character further as well.
That's about it for now.

DownFallAngel
July 17th, 2004, 06:55 AM
He asked "Is this lemon?" And that was Luke, he was there in spirit!

MadJaffa
July 17th, 2004, 07:34 AM
This is something that bothers me. The Atlantis Team are in another galaxy and are the only ones who have guns, they will run out of ammo. Why did they not bring some Zats and Staff weapons? I know it's probably because the production staff want to seperate the two shows but still, it bothers me.

aAnubiSs
July 17th, 2004, 07:47 AM
Beats me.
Some think they were afraid that the Ancients would not accept them if they had Goa'uld weapons, but I don't think so.

The Ancients know the diffence between weapons and a symbiote.

They should have brought staffs and zats.

Sure the Zats might not work against the Wraith, seeing that they aren't evolved humans, but the Staffs would have worked.

Mio
July 17th, 2004, 07:55 AM
A zat with three blasts would be very handy to have.

aAnubiSs
July 17th, 2004, 08:01 AM
Not if it doesn't affect their electrical field. We don't really know how a Zat works, and neither how the Wraith works.

DownFallAngel
July 17th, 2004, 08:58 AM
It all goes along with keeping the shows seperate.

aAnubiSs
July 17th, 2004, 09:01 AM
But it still doesn't make sence.

ChopinGal
July 17th, 2004, 09:09 AM
This is something that bothers me. The Atlantis Team are in another galaxy and are the only ones who have guns, they will run out of ammo. Why did they not bring some Zats and Staff weapons? I know it's probably because the production staff want to seperate the two shows but still, it bothers me.

See that? No zats and no fresh veggies :p Teyla will just have to take the whole team to some of the new worlds in their galazy to find ammo and take-out :o

Rusk
July 17th, 2004, 09:11 AM
Beats me.
Some think they were afraid that the Ancients would not accept them if they had Goa'uld weapons, but I don't think so.

The Ancients know the diffence between weapons and a symbiote.

They should have brought staffs and zats.

Sure the Zats might not work against the Wraith, seeing that they aren't evolved humans, but the Staffs would have worked.

I recall them saying in one episode of SG-1 that Staff weapons are very inaccurate compared to Earth weapons (The Warrior, maybe?). O'neill and others use them just fine without the kind of training Teal'c has, though. Maybe they just opted for more accurate and familiar weapons, they did bring A LOT of supplies. I would think they have enough ammo to fight a small war.

As far as Zats go...I don't know why they wouldn't bring them. I think the writers just decided "Well, the zats probably won't work against the Wraith. Rather than wasting 5 or so minutes explaining what zats are and finding out they don't work through trial and error, just skip them entirely". I don't think they would work against Wraith anyway, it wouldn't make much sense if they could just kill any Wraith in 2 shots from a zat. I'm pretty sure those Wraith they "killed" are coming back to life.

Chevron 1
July 17th, 2004, 09:16 AM
There is probably some cache of weapons somewhere in Atlantis. Remember that SG-1 didn't procure Zats until the end of Season 1, if I remember correctly. (I'm still reviewing the eps in order as much as possible.)

Besides, if they left behind Puddle Jumpers, there must be more Ancient Weapons Tech somewhere. The creators are not willing to play all their cards just yet.

aAnubiSs
July 17th, 2004, 09:17 AM
Zats came in s1 finale yes.

Selmak
July 17th, 2004, 11:26 AM
Maybe as they explore Atlantis they will find an Ancient Armory.

Mio
July 17th, 2004, 11:36 AM
Maybe as they explore Atlantis they will find an Ancient Armory.
There is little doubt that they will.

joshing123
July 17th, 2004, 02:21 PM
Just jumping in to say that was a great first episode & I hope that the rest of the series continues to be that good.
My early favorites are Sheppard and McKay, although I see promise in Ford. McKay had the best one liners - "using power, using power," "chevron 1 enganged," and the best - "is there lemon in this?"

Selmak
July 17th, 2004, 11:04 PM
I like McKay... but Beckett was surprisingly good... by favorite line... "I never make friends like that".

badblu
July 18th, 2004, 04:14 AM
All i have to say is it was great and i hope that season 1 goes well or it could go down hill pretty fast.

TheWarrior
July 18th, 2004, 04:20 AM
I really enjoyed the 2 hour premire, I have to admit it was better than I expected.

Major Shpperd is a great character and Beckett makes me laugh - he is going to be another comical character as is McKay. I liked the scene when they disscused the name of the puddle jumper and McKay I thought we were going with GATESHIP1 etc that was good.

One point thoe - in the trailer for the two hour opener we see McKay with some wires and he does an O'Neill line "So much for plan A", that wasn't in the episode so was it cut out or is it from another episode and they put it in there by mistake.

N8iveTexan
July 18th, 2004, 06:28 AM
Moved from the Rate Atlantis: Rising (Spoilers) thread per Forum Mom's orders and edited slightly for better grammar.


Do I need spoiler space? I'm not sure, so I'll put some just to be safe... :)


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I think I'm going to rate it a 7 out of 10.

I told myself almost all summer that I wouldn't watch Atlantis. The previews and all the spoilers just didn't speak to me. It was not on the "highly anticipated" list for me. However, I decided to watch the premire just for the heck of it (hey it *is* Stargate...) and was actually pleasantly surprised.

I LOVED the banter between the characters. They all seemed to keep each other in check. Very witty. I especially liked the "But I'm a Doctor. A medical Doctor. You don't understand, I break things like this." from Dr Beckett. Reminded me of Bones from the original Star Trek. Also, the exchange between Beckett and McKay at the end... "You need to get out more." "We're in another galaxy, how much more out can you get!?" was great.

Speaking of Beckett... it's about darn time a mainstream sci-fi show had a character with a Scottish accent! :D

I like Torri Higginson's Weir better in Atlantis than I did in SG1. It felt akward in SG1, having to pick up where Jessica Stein left off, but she fit in very well with the Atlantis team. I had been wondering how that would work out.

The special effects were AWESOME... the rising city... :eek:! The blue gate with constellations as chevrons is way cool! The City sets are amazing! The Wraith are way fugly. The only thing that irked me about the visuals was the cell door on the Wraith ship. The set designer must have been recycling old SG1 props because I swear that was the same grate that Baal had Jack pinned against in season 6's Abyss. :p

On the downside of things, I think the show needed improvement in some areas. I wanted to see more Wraith. I know it's only the first episode, but I felt they weren't described enough to be terrifying. Time will tell.

At some points throughout the show, I felt like I was watching an episode of Trek. This is why I rate it a 7/10. The most obvious characteristics that caused this feeling are the "Help! We're lost in another galaxy and can't get home" theme (Voyager), the forced integration of human technology and computer systems into the Ancient technolgy to make things run (DS9 - can anyone else see McKay as O'Brien?). Also, there was the obvious "Red Shirt" character... Robert Patrick. Granted, TPTB have a long history of paying homage to (poking fun at?) many a great sci-fi show of the past, so I won't hold this against Atlantis too much. :)

One last thing that irked me (in a good way)... TPTB said there would be no ship in this series. *chuckle* I'm sorry guys but I have to call BS. I counted two scenes with Teyla/Sheppard ship: When he returned her lost choker in the caves and when they bumped heads in a display of trust at the end. (Okay, three if you count Sheppard babbling as a way of introduction, but that's *really* reaching. ;))

All in all, I enjoyed the premiere. SG1 is still my first love, so it will take a while for Atlantis to carve the same niche in my heart, but it shows potential. Good show guys. Keep it up!

CaptDS9E
July 18th, 2004, 07:00 AM
Compared to SG-1s premiere episode, this one blew it out of the water. They have built a good foundation to move forward, and im liking what im seeing. There is only so much they can do in a premiere. If they told us everything about the Wraith at once there would be no stories to tell going forward :D

capt

keshou
July 18th, 2004, 07:01 AM
But I am not overly thrilled with the new villains. For starters, they are just too aesthetically unpleasing to hold my attention (apologies for a personal moment of shallowness :p). So far, their evilness seems to be very one-dimensional but I believe this will change as the season progesses.


The Wraith were probably my biggest hangup in giving the premiere a higher rating (although I really did like it). They didn't creep me out very much and I agree that their evilness seems very one-dimensional at this point. But it's very early in the series and I too am hoping they'll flesh out this new enemy so that it's more than just the big bad they shoot up (or stab) every week.

Ugly Pig
July 18th, 2004, 08:49 AM
Since I am dependant on downloading new episodes to see them, I didn't get to see the premiere of Atlantis until late last night. Or, to be more precise, 2:30 AM this morning. Then I watched it a second time when I (finally) woke up today. I've promised myself that this season of SG-1 I will comment on every episode (I hesitate to say 'review' because it will most likely just be a mess of incoherent ramblings and comments) without reading anyone else's reaction first, and I think I will do the same for Atlantis. Not having read the thread so far probably means anything I may have to say has already been thoroughly discussed. No matter, here's


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Rising'

I began watching it (the first time) in the middle of the night, and wasn't done until about 4:00 AM. Add to that the fact that I'd had to get up really early yesterday morning (after a not really full night's sleep) and hadn't slept during the day, and it's safe to say I was tired. Very tired. I actually considered not watching Atlantis until today, which would probably have made everyone who knows me sit up and go 'Who are you and what have you done with Ugly Pig?!'.

Obviously, I did watch it. And for the 87 minutes it lasted, I didn't feel tired at all - 'Rising' was just too full of sheer excitement for me to concern myself with such human frailties as the need for sleep. The drone chasing the helicopter! The crowded SGC! The new wormhole travel sequence! The puddle jumper! The gate in space! The wraith! The spaceship chase! The city! The city rising!!

There was not a thing about 'Rising' I didn't like. The characters are already starting to grow on me - Lt. Ford was the only one I feel didn't get his moment in the spotlight to distinguish him from the anonymous grunts, but I'm sure he will get it in an upcoming episode. Col. Sumner didn't have much to do before the wraith interrogation scene, but with him not really being a main character this is not a problem. McKay was great as always, and delievered my favorite line of the episode ("Using power! Using power! Using power!"). Sheppard fills the 'Jack O'Neill' hero-type character slot nicely, but is different enough not to feel like a direct copy. Having now seen Dr. Weir in both 'New Order' and 'Rising', I completely forgot about the re-casting of the character while watching this time. I have read complaints about her acting, but I couldn't really find fault with it, myself. I loved the interplay between Dr. Beckett and the others, particularly his scenes with Sheppard and McKay. Didn't get much of a feeling from the Teyla character, though. Hopefully she'll develop over time.

Visually, the whole episode is a stunner. The Atlantis set is awesome, and the visual effects sequnces blew me away with Atlantis rising from the ocean being the highlight. The opening sequence with the city in Antarctica is also worth a mention, although it was shorter than I had thought. It's a shame we didn't get to see Aiyana (that was her, wasn't it...?) getting frozen in the stasis chamber. I understand that was originally planned to be seen in 'Lost City'... I am a sucker for little continuity touches like that.

I also gotta mention the music. First of all, it was actually not all synth, which I believe is the first time since 'Children of the Gods' (not counting the episodes re-using music from that episode or the original Stargate movie). Loved how Joel Goldsmiths SG-1 theme was briefly heard when the bottle of champagne from Jack came rolling through the gate. Interesting how David Arnolds original Stargate music was not used at all - in fact, there was no re-use of anything from the movie at all as far as I could tell. No stock footage, no old wormhole sequence, no Arnold music.

Anyway... I can't wait for this to come to DVD. It was just so great. It definately gets


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Mio
July 18th, 2004, 09:05 AM
The only thing that irked me about the visuals was the cell door on the Wraith ship. The set designer must have been recycling old SG1 props because I swear that was the same grate that Baal had Jack pinned against in season 6's Abyss. :phttp://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s6/graphics/606_07.jpg

Close, but not really. The one in Rising was rounded and thinner.

Anthro Girl
July 18th, 2004, 10:12 AM
What?! No Boogie Pig? :p Great review, Piggy. Sorry you lost sleep over it, but sacrifices must be made. You really have an ear for those scores. I only have the movie soundtrack.

I agree that the Ford and Teyla characters need some fleshing-out. They all do to some extent, but that's understandable and I'm looking forward to those developments. Carter was pretty one-dimensional (actually clichéd) in the SG1 pilot and look how she's developed over the years.

acdj31
July 18th, 2004, 12:05 PM
Compared to SG-1s premiere episode, this one blew it out of the water. They have built a good foundation to move forward, and im liking what im seeing. There is only so much they can do in a premiere. If they told us everything about the Wraith at once there would be no stories to tell going forward :D

capt

I agree. For people who don't like the show, they should wait and see. You can't do everything in the premiere, it would confuse everyone.

Ugly Pig
July 18th, 2004, 12:45 PM
One thing, though - is it me, or was the episode kind of similar to Children of the Gods? Not that it bothers me (Rising is still better - I never was much of a fan of COTG), it's actually understandable since it had to do a lot of the same things. Introduce the new characters, the new gate network, the new enemy and so on. Both shows even had the failed attempt at rescuing 'our people' from the new enemy, ending in a rescue of a whole big bunch of other folks.

Anthro Girl
July 18th, 2004, 12:52 PM
One thing, though - is it me, or was the episode kind of similar to Children of the Gods? Not that it bothers me (Rising is still better - I never was much of a fan of COTG), it's actually understandable since it had to do a lot of the same things.
Actually, I like COTG. However, it is eight years old and Atlantis just looked cooler due to experience of the crew and advances in filmmaking.

Introduce the new characters, the new gate network, the new enemy and so on. Both shows even had the failed attempt at rescuing 'our people' from the new enemy, ending in a rescue of a whole big bunch of other folks.
1. Go Somewhere. 2. Mess Up. 3. Save Some People. 4. Put Yourself At Risk. I think that's Formula #42 in the "How to Start a New Science Fiction Television Series" information leaflet. :D

Ugly Pig
July 18th, 2004, 01:23 PM
Actually, I like COTG. However, it is eight years old and Atlantis just looked cooler due to experience of the crew and advances in filmmaking.
Ah, you may be right. I don't actually dislike COTG, but it didn't give me the same level of excitement that 'Rising' did.

Mio
July 18th, 2004, 01:24 PM
Actually, I like COTG. However, it is eight years old and Atlantis just looked cooler due to experience of the crew and advances in filmmaking.
CotG wasn't nearly as good as Atlantis's openner. The rough story was the same, but the Atlantis one was written far better, IMO.

...plus I'm a sucker for excellent visual effects...

Anthro Girl
July 18th, 2004, 01:32 PM
CotG wasn't nearly as good as Atlantis's openner. The rough story was the same, but the Atlantis one was written far better, IMO.
Actually, I'm not so sure I would agree with that. However, since my friend has my S1 DVDs, I can't form an edjookayted decision. ;) Besides, Atlantis may be a new series designed to stand alone from SG-1, but there is a lot of backstory in the premier that wouldn't be there to write about were it not for seven seasons of SG-1, so I'm not so sure the comparison is fair.

aAnubiSs
July 18th, 2004, 01:47 PM
CotG wasn't that good.

chiefchucky
July 18th, 2004, 02:27 PM
One thing, though - is it me, or was the episode kind of similar to Children of the Gods? Not that it bothers me (Rising is still better - I never was much of a fan of COTG), it's actually understandable since it had to do a lot of the same things. Introduce the new characters, the new gate network, the new enemy and so on. Both shows even had the failed attempt at rescuing 'our people' from the new enemy, ending in a rescue of a whole big bunch of other folks.
You read my mind

Newbie
July 18th, 2004, 07:24 PM
CotG is Great! But Rising of course is better because of all the backbone story and the experience of writers, and the BIGGER BUDGET, so if compare both without these 3 things...both are THE BEST! I loved it!!!

David85
July 18th, 2004, 07:44 PM
This whole show is just going to be 100% like SG-1 with different people and more "sci-fi" stories because it takes place on another planet, but who cares, it's still fun.

Newbie
July 18th, 2004, 07:55 PM
of cource it fill ne LIKE SG1 but it want COPY it...however again....how far can your imagination go with this theme...so far it is enough for me...and looks different to me

taupecat
July 19th, 2004, 05:04 AM
It took me two attempts to watch Atlantis all the way through, thanks to succumbing to a Benadryl-induced coma the first time. Anyway, my first impressions (I apologize for repeating anything anyone's already said...)

1) Overall, I think I liked it more than I thought I would, but it's still not up to SG-1 in my book. For one thing, it feels much more "sci-fi" than SG-1 does (let me explain). SG-1 is about an Air Force unit fighting bad guys. So those bad guys happen to be aliens on other planets, but everything's still grounded in "our" reality. Atlantis is *entirely* offworld, which removes it from our frame of reference. Add the uniforms which look vaguely Star Trek-ian and the rather sterile feeling of the main set, and the whole thing just has a slightly more contrived feeling, IMHO.

2) Somehow, McKay has become my favorite character, which is frelling scary considering how *annoying* I found him in his SG-1 eps.

"He's Canadian." "I'm sorry." ROFL!

3) I like Smirk Boy (a.k.a. Sheppard) a lot more than I thought I would, but he'll always be Smirk Boy to me. Was a little annoyed when I realized he was never originally intended to be on the team, but was merely O'Neill's ride. But still, I think he has potential.

4) Since when is Scotland an independent country?!?! Wait, I know the answer to this... not since 1707. Sorry, Scottish nationalists. Beckett should be wearing the Union Jack on his shoulder, not the Scottish flag.

5) I'm still not a huge fan of the new Weir and her incredibly changing accent. Pick one and stick with it.

6) Finally, the Wraith. I find one-dimensional villains very tiresome, and the Wraith seem really one-dimensional.

7) I really like the tie-in with Ayiana. Nice touch.

8) Okay, I know Sam & Teal'c couldn't be in the 1st ep because of some legal thing, but Siler could be? Found that slightly odd.

Summary... I'll continue to give it a chance (and forgo the benadryl before watching it). But I still don't have the same excitement for it that I do for SG-1.

sshspooky
July 19th, 2004, 06:54 AM
Scotland is still an independant country with a football team and their own flag. Great Britain is just a coalition of countries, like the EU.

Ugly Pig
July 19th, 2004, 09:04 AM
8) Okay, I know Sam & Teal'c couldn't be in the 1st ep because of some legal thing, but Siler could be? Found that slightly odd.
I was actually thinking the same thing. I guess if Brad Wright and/or Robert C. Cooper wrote the first episode he appeared in, it's not a problem. What episode did he first appear in, anyway?

aAnubiSs
July 19th, 2004, 09:25 AM
first.

Anthro Girl
July 19th, 2004, 10:12 AM
I was actually thinking the same thing. I guess if Brad Wright and/or Robert C. Cooper wrote the first episode he appeared in, it's not a problem. What episode did he first appear in, anyway?
Was Siler in COTG? I don't remember. Johnathan Glassner and Brad Wright wrote COTG and initially developed all those characters (except O'Neill and Daniel). RCC didn't come along until, I think, There But for the Grace of God, late in the 1st season.

I'm no lawyer so I'm actually not sure about exactly what legal issues prevented the characters of Sam and Teal'c to appear in the premier of Atlantis, but it someone said something about the Stargate franchise is all about spinning off from the movie, not just SG-1. It sort of makes sense in an Atlantis-can-stand-alone kind of way, but I'd like a better explanation...I get confused easily. :S

In any case, Siler - while near and dear to us, the SG-1 fans - is not a major character (don't hit me!! :eek: ). He is just a technician in the background of the story who fixes things or gets sent to the infirmary a lot. ;) His presence is not a major plotline in the Stargate universe, whereas Sam and Teal'c are an entirely different story. Same goes for Gary Jones' Chevron Guy. People are saying that since Siler was there then Chevron Guy should have been there. I don't see why. We've seen other Chevron People before. From a contractual perspective, Dan Shea is credited as RDA's stunt double for Rising, so he was "there" anyway.

Is it my imagination, or was there absolutely ZERO mention of Goa'uld, Tok'ra or Jaffa in the Atlantis premiere?

Ugly Pig
July 19th, 2004, 10:17 AM
Is it my imagination, or was there absolutely ZERO mention of Goa'uld, Tok'ra or Jaffa in the Atlantis premiere?
You are correct.
Just as well. Wouldn't want to confuse those new viewers with irrelevant information.

Anthro Girl
July 19th, 2004, 10:39 AM
You are correct.
Just as well. Wouldn't want to confuse those new viewers with irrelevant information.
Ahhh, okay. Makes more sense now...I think...maybe...:confused: Just confuse the old viewers... :p

Actually, it does make more sense now. The less they actually directly refer to SG-1 plotlines and story arcs, the easier it is to have Atlantis stand alone.

Indiana
July 19th, 2004, 11:27 AM
Never mind they do move... it's just so fast it's hard to tell.

Just gotta get this in before I read the rest of the thread. Chevrons do not move. In the old Stargate it was the innder ring that moved the Symbols into place where each Chevron was. Then the Chevron clicks into place. The Chevron is the triangular shaped part of the Stargate that locks. Not the indivdual symbols. Lol, I saw a fansite called "The 37th Chevron" or something like that. I was just like :rolleyes: there's only 9 on the actual gate :D

AgentX
July 19th, 2004, 06:05 PM
Canadian, so I am a bit behind you guys but I just finished watching the two parter on TMN, and since it was commerical free, I couldn't really differentiate between parts one and two. So my thoughts will be on this thread. Was it a servicable premiere, yes. Was it a great premiere, no. I'm not exactly busting with anticipation for next week, like I was after COTG and eagerly selecting the 2nd episode on the DVD.

I don't really care for many of the characters. I like Weir, and I could see myself growing to like Dr. Scotty - but I could also see his personality getting old. The rest of them... nothing - I could care less what happens to them. Perhaps this will change with time but that's what I'm feeling right now.

I also am totally unimpressed with the Wraiths.They aren't interesting enough to be feared, and were built up to be nearly indestructable that the plausability of Terrans mounting any kind of defense is not there.

On the plus side, this had some great visual effects. Some of the best I have seen on television this year, really great stuff.

DownFallAngel
July 19th, 2004, 06:06 PM
Commercial free with some extended behind the scenes stuff? Killer! We got commerciaqls galour!

AgentX
July 19th, 2004, 06:13 PM
The behind the scene's stuff was a bit weird. The guide said it would be on from 7.30-8.00, but in total there were probably only 10 minutes if not less of that, shown sporadically in that time frame.

DarkQuee1
July 19th, 2004, 06:22 PM
My reaction to the Atlantis premiere was basically...*shrug*. It wasn't particularly bad, but it wasn't particularly good, either. In the entire episode, there was only one scene that had me going "Wow!", and that was the rising of the city. Unfortunately, that's a one-time deal.

I wasn't wowed by the characters and/or the actors. I liked Weir better in NO and TLC. Shepard is a poor man's O'Neill--and he has to (1) stop sounding like Owen Wilson and (2) get a personality boost. There was no spark to his performance at all. Teyla might turn out to be interesting but right now is more than a little dull. The Wraith were too much like the Daleks and not enough like the Master (too one-note, no nuance). This might change with time but the set-up is not promising in this regard. They may have also made them *too* powerful: they do not age, they can read minds, they can make you see things that aren't there, they are extremely difficult to kill when hopped up on "lifeforce". When your villains are too powerful, then your heroes succeed (or merely survive) only because the bad guys make a lot of mistakes or because the good guys are very, very lucky. Both "devices" wear out their welcome quickly. We need to see if *believable* weaknesses get added over time.

I did like the McKay/Beckett Comedy Hour (liked McKay realizing that the chicken had lemon!), but Beckett was a hard to understand on occasion. Having a Scottish burr is one thing; having a Scottish burr *and* mumbling is something else again.

And for me, there was a basic flaw in the set-up: why would you send them to the "lost city" if you *know* that it's one-way? How does it help Earth if this team has no way to send back any information or technology--and you know that before you send them? Yes, I know, "knowledge for knowledge's sake." But not in this instance: you don't deplete your only power source for Earth's primary defensive weapon and you don't send some of your best minds out on this one-way trip--people who would be needed to obtain technology and information from the outpost and who then are the people who could run with it and develop other technology--when there is no chance of getting anything in return that would help Earth. These are resources you can't afford to lose at this juncture, when Earth is still at war.

And I didn't get the line about staying and carrying out their mission of exploring other worlds (I think that's what I heard, anyway). Huh? When was that established as their mission? The only mission I remember is exploring the lost city. Was their dialogue I didn't catch??

It may improve. Right now, it isn't "must see" TV for me.

J.

Anthro Girl
July 19th, 2004, 06:44 PM
I don't really care for many of the characters. I like Weir, and I could see myself growing to like Dr. Scotty - but I could also see his personality getting old. The rest of them... nothing - I could care less what happens to them. Perhaps this will change with time but that's what I'm feeling right now.
Dr. Scotty? Hehe...that's cute. I think he's one of my favorite characters right now and am looking forward to his development. Gawd, I miss the days on Showtime without commercials...

Adamixoye
July 19th, 2004, 10:44 PM
I don't know if it's been mentioned, with the "Jack and Daniel can be in the premiere, but Teal'c and Sam can't" issue, but forget Siler, what about Weir?

Yu Huang Shang Ti
July 20th, 2004, 02:53 AM
Maybe it has something to do with characters which appeared in the premiere episodes, since Siler and Weir weren't there for "Children of the Gods."

Tell you the truth, this is perplexing me too -- Captain Picard appeared in the premiere of DS9 and Quark was in Voyager's premiere, and I don't remember any copyright ruckus over those decisions.

Mio
July 20th, 2004, 04:37 AM
Maybe it has something to do with characters which appeared in the premiere episodes, since Siler and Weir weren't there for "Children of the Gods."

Tell you the truth, this is perplexing me too -- Captain Picard appeared in the premiere of DS9 and Quark was in Voyager's premiere, and I don't remember any copyright ruckus over those decisions.
Were those series all made by the same guys?

Anthro Girl
July 20th, 2004, 08:06 AM
Tell you the truth, this is perplexing me too -- Captain Picard appeared in the premiere of DS9 and Quark was in Voyager's premiere, and I don't remember any copyright ruckus over those decisions.
ST has a "tradition" of having one character appear in the pilot of the spin-off - Bones, Picard, Quark, etc. I don't know if it is legal issues, but they don't have the whole cast one show appear on the other (do they?). It may be different with ST because all those characters come from one creator (Roddenberry), whereas SG is spun from a movie with entirely different creators. Who knows? Sounds like a good question for ComicCon. ;)

Ugly Pig
July 20th, 2004, 01:07 PM
I don't know if it's been mentioned, with the "Jack and Daniel can be in the premiere, but Teal'c and Sam can't" issue, but forget Siler, what about Weir?
'Lost City', which introduced Weir, was written by BW and RCC who also created SGA. So, no issues there regarding who created the character.

april_flower75
July 20th, 2004, 02:48 PM
The behind the scene's stuff was a bit weird. The guide said it would be on from 7.30-8.00, but in total there were probably only 10 minutes if not less of that, shown sporadically in that time frame.

It wasnt even really shown sporadically, David Hewlett said a little thing at like 7:40 and the rest of the behind the scenes stuff was almost right before the episode started. Regardless, I loved it.

greytop
July 20th, 2004, 07:52 PM
I'm wondering if Sheppard and Weir are going to have any heated discussions like the one they about going to save their people.

prion
July 21st, 2004, 08:28 AM
Just gotta get this in before I read the rest of the thread. Chevrons do not move. In the old Stargate it was the innder ring that moved the Symbols into place where each Chevron was. Then the Chevron clicks into place. The Chevron is the triangular shaped part of the Stargate that locks. Not the indivdual symbols. Lol, I saw a fansite called "The 37th Chevron" or something like that. I was just like :rolleyes: there's only 9 on the actual gate :D

Basically, the SG1 team has been using the Beta version of the gate. The Atlantis folk are lucky enough to have the upgraded version (like AOL 9.0 compared to 3.) More doodads, fancy irises, Miami Vice colors :D and the like.

bonadolq
July 21st, 2004, 12:42 PM
They should have brought the plans for the Macgyver'd ZPM (The Fifth Race, Point of View) or at least the burnt out one and a couple staff weapons (for the liquid naquada) so they could at least jury rig a single use ZPM for emergencies.

:rolleyes:

Ugly Pig
July 21st, 2004, 12:49 PM
Since Jack made that thing without consciously knowing what he was doing, I don't think any plans for it exist. And the device itself was probably left in the AU. :)

greytop
July 21st, 2004, 01:07 PM
Since Jack made that thing without consciously knowing what he was doing, I don't think any plans for it exist. And the device itself was probably left in the AU. :)
He did draw have the plans. When he was making the ZPM in the Fifth Race, he kept looking at the plans he had drawn. The probably got thown away by the housekeeping people on the base.

Ugly Pig
July 21st, 2004, 01:11 PM
You may be right... It's been a while since the last time I watched Fifth Race... :o

raeble
July 21st, 2004, 02:10 PM
I liked the episode, I thought it was very good but there are just a few things I would change.

1. Weir. What is the problem with writing a decent well rounded female character? She was just so weak and wishy washy. The way she let Sheppard walk all over her. There is no way a male character would have allowed that sort of behaviour and she should not have allowed him to go on a rescue mission without first securing the city.

2. Sheppard or Marty Sue Sheppard as I've seen him called. He seems to be a Jack/Daniel Hybrid with their most annoying characteristics. The guy is in the military he really should not have such a complex about doing something because it's the right thing to do. Maybe he should have gone and joined amnesty international instead of the usaf.

sshspooky
July 21st, 2004, 03:28 PM
I have to say i loved this episode. 9 out of 10! (not 10/10 as it can always get even better). I'll run through all the things i loved in this episode, followed by all the things I didn't.


Firstly, the things i loved:


1. The Cameos by O'Neill and Daniel. Done well, got the information about the gate address and getting them to the Pegasus galaxy really quickly so the real meat of the episode could begin. I also liked how Daniel really wanted to go but Jack wouldn't let him. One can but wonder what things would have been like if Daniel had gone with them and they'd have got Jonas back in SG-1!

2. Characters with the gene. Information given quickly and in an interesting way.

3. New Wormhole Sequence - very good effect, and the change made it more interesting to watch for the odler fans who have seen the other sequence over and over, and a stunning sequence for new viewers as well.

4. Atlantis Gate - Absolutely brilliant. the lights going round was a great effect, the shield/iris looked cool, and it is an extremely refreshing gate.

5. Atlantis Rising - a brilliant visual effects sequence (the guys did a great job with this episode)

6. Colonel Sumners - In a way I find it sad this character died in this ep. I would have found it interesting for him to have been in the first few eps and then to have been killed mid-season to make the death more meaningful, however you can understand that the writers did this to put Sheppard in charge of the military team. however, I do like how he died, with Sheppard being forced to make the big decision to end Sumners suffering. It will be interesting to see whether Sheppard is willing to do the same again in the future.

7. Dr Weir - I like the new actress Torri Higginson, and I like how she is not just authoritive like Hammond as she isn't military. A lot of people seem to say she's boring but i think she's one of the most interesting characters, as you can see that with every decision she herself is split on what to do. The big decision was one she was convinced by Sheppard to let him go on a rescue mission. Some people may think she gave in to pressure and is a bad leader, but you could see that she didn't make that decision until something more was at stake. Sheppard wanted to go save the people but Weir wouldn't allow the mission to go forward for that, it wasn't until Sheppard mentioned that they would find out about them that she realised that something bigger was at stake and that a rescue mission had to be taken. However, her care for her people under her command was shown when she told them to keep the shield of a bit longer, risking Atlantis to save them.

8. Major Sheppard - This character has a large area for growth in any number of directions and is a character I am most interested in.

9. Dr McKay - brilliant character who shined in this ep and will shine throughout Atlantis.

10. Dr Beckett - great to see a Scottish character in the series, and he seems like an interesting character and his relationship with McKay is very good.

Note: Beckett is wearing the Scottish flag. many people have been discussing the flags and why Beckett is wearing a Scottish flag and someone else is wearing a Union Jack great british flag, instead of the st george's cross or the GB country they are from. Well, being from the UK, i would say that since here in England we basically represent both, any member of the team from the UK would have the option of which flag they would prefer on their uniform. Beckett wanted to represent his home country of Scotland, while the other officer wanted to represent the UK as a whole.

11. Teyla and her people - I like this plotline and having them there will help with quick exposition and interesting stories in the future.

12. Being stranded - i hate the concept being criticised cause Star Trek: Voyager did not do it particularly well, but considering the quality of writing and differences, I find this a very interesting element of Atlantis.

13. The Wraith - This enemy are bad, evil, and out for food. Plus they are only gonna get worse. They seem like a definate threat. Some may think they were defeated easily in this ep, but that last line, "The others will wake up, all of them!" just put them over as a top notch enemy to me. I can't wait to find out more about them!


Now, the things i didn't love:


1. Lieutenant Ford - now he is not here because i don't like him, but that there wasn't enough of him to gain an opinion. While the other characters all had a moment to shine, and began to define themselves, i didn't get this with Ford. He had the jumping backwards through the Stargate and the naming of PJ, and he is obviously making a friendship with Sheppard, but all of those moments were with Sheppard! This is only a small thing though as I'm sure the writers will explore his character during the season, I just don't want him to become like Mayweather in the last season of Enterprise, a character who is in the main cast and says less words then I have written about Ford in this post! I am hopeful this will not be the case.


And that is the only thing I didn't really like about this episode. Everything else was fantastic and i can't wait to see the rest of Stargate: Atlantis!

ShadowMaat
July 21st, 2004, 03:40 PM
FINALLY got to see Rising (thankyou SOOOOO much, Nola!). Forgive me for not reading through all the posts here, first. I figure I've already missed too much to catch up. ;) My first impression? It's a good start, but it's going to be a long road.

Liked Sheppard. He's still a bit too Jack Clone- right down to the bonding with children thing- but the broody thing is interesting and could really work... as long as they don't overplay it.

Liked Ford. We didn't get a LOT of him in the premiere, but I liked what I saw. Good potential. Kinda cute, too. ;)

Liked Beckett. There's something tiresome about his character that I can't quite place. Not exactly chickensh*t, but... something just a little off that doesn't sit well with me. But you gotta love the accent, even if it does hearken back to Scotty. Scotty would never have allowed this guy anywhere near his precious engineering stuff. And for good reason.

LOVED McKay. Totally, completely loved McKay. I could even stomach the Pointless Exposition stuff just because- in case you missed it- I really love McKay. http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/love/biggrinlove.gif You could dump the rest of the cast and focus everything on McKay and I would be a very happy camper. OK, maybe you could give him his cat... ;)

Didn't like Teyla. I found her tiresome and irritating and not all that engaging a character. Nothing against the actress, mind you. I'm sure she's a fine actress, but it's hard to build up a good character when you don't have much to work with and Rachel Luttrell wasn't given anything to work with. It's a compliment to her acting abilities that she could manage anything at all...

Didn't care much for Weir, either. I mean, there's having empathy for your subordinates and then there's just being an idiot about it. Weir, unfortunately, borders a little too close to the latter for my tastes. Sheppard can manage to be broody without it coming across as weak, but Weir... Bleah.

I hate the Wraith. And not in a good way. Ye gods, could you get any stupider? Lame, pathetic, unappealing, cheesy and badly dressed. Urg. Now, if they'd kept it to those wispy hallucination things, THAT would have kicked ass, but the real deal? No way.

Interesting stuff about Atlantis itself and the puddle jumpers- while not exactly pretty- could be an interesting development. I hope more will be found out about Sheppard and his innate ability to use the tech, as opposed to everyone else who has to "concentrate". It'd be interesting to see how Jonas would react to the tech. Too bad TPTB are all going, "Jonas who?" *sigh*

I loathe the implied Sheppard/Teyla ship. I hope the producers live up to their promise of killing that entirely and letting the characters be themselves. It comes off as even more cheesy and cliche than I would have thought possible, and that's really saying something. ;)

It's enough to keep me watching, though. And not just because of McKay. Though he is a goodly portion of the reason. ;)

Ugly Pig
July 21st, 2004, 03:52 PM
It's enough to keep me watching, though. And not just because of McKay. Though he is a goodly portion of the reason. ;)
Yeah, I'm sure you appreciated his final line in the episode... Kinda indicated that Luke was there in spirit, no? :D

ShadowMaat
July 21st, 2004, 04:01 PM
Yeah, I'm sure you appreciated his final line in the episode... Kinda indicated that Luke was there in spirit, no? :D
Who could not LOVE that line?? ;) It's a great ego moment, thinking Luke could have inspired it and I'm trying not to let the reality of the situation ruin the warm fuzzy feeling. :D

Positively Kanyon
July 21st, 2004, 09:46 PM
So ShadowMaat, what did you think of Atlantis? Taken away the sour taste of SG-1 Season 7?

EDIT: WHOOPS! Didn't see your post about 3 posts above! Disregard the question...

Anubis
July 22nd, 2004, 07:44 AM
I can't believe the rating either. This is the highest rating yet. Good going Atlantis

ShadowMaat
July 22nd, 2004, 08:55 AM
Initial ratings are always very nice, but people like shiny new things. The real question is what will the ratings be like from now on? Will it still pull in stellar numbers (pardon the pun) or will the audience gradually wander away in search of something newer and shinier?

Ugly Pig
July 22nd, 2004, 09:20 AM
Well, hopefully TPTB will be able to keep it shining with a little spit and polish. :)

I don't know, but I'm really looking forward to finding out where Atlantis will be going from here.

Anthro Girl
July 22nd, 2004, 09:32 AM
Newer and shinier? What...like UPN's upcoming Amish reality show? :eek:

I still believe that even the worst episode of Stargate...either Stargate...is better than practically everything else on television. Except for, maybe, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. :D

VirtualCLD
July 22nd, 2004, 09:51 AM
yeah Daily Show!!!! But since they are quite different genres and show times, I highly doubt SGA will ever have to compete with The Daily Show.

:: thinks to himself :: he he he "Mess O' Potamia"

Jafana
July 30th, 2004, 06:58 AM
I said this in the other rising thread but no-one seems to be interested in posting there again..so,

did anyone else find it difficult to believe that Sam wouldn't be there? Or that there was no attempt to explain her absense?

I'm aware of the apparent legalities of having Sam and Teal'c on Atlantis..but still.. it's just wrong that, the world's foremost expert on the stargate wasn't there when they're opening a wormhole to another galaxy.

As a result I'm planning a fic about where she might have been :D

VirtualCLD
July 30th, 2004, 07:04 AM
SPOILER SPACE








Yes, I find it a little diffcult to suspend disbelief as to why Sam wasn't there. I can completely understand the reason why neither her nor Teal'c were going to Atlantis, that's not a problem. I can understand that Teal'c didn't need to be involved with the whole departure process. However, I would think that Sam should have been there to help oversee the ZPM gate interface.

OTOH, it's possible to imagine Sam having helped out with the device used to interface the ZPM as well as some of the technical preparations and briefings for the Atlantis team. Then, for whatever reason, she was not present for the actual time of departure. Why, I don't know, but it is possible.

sshspooky
July 30th, 2004, 07:08 AM
Perhaps she was busy working on something at Area 51?

Jafana
July 30th, 2004, 07:12 AM
Gahh.. nope, I don't buy it. She's the World's Foremost Gate Expert. Where could she be that would be more important than something like the atlantis departure.

In going on 8 years, how many times has she been to area 51? And why would she need to go now...?

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2004, 07:34 AM
Please! Sam has been stuck in the field for too long. Earth's REAL foremost expert on the gate is Dr. McKay, and he was right there in the thick of things, as he should have been. :P

Jafana
July 30th, 2004, 07:39 AM
*sigh* I guess I can't argue that...

but wouldn't sam have more of a practical knowledge of the gate? mckay has more of a theoretical knowledge...

but i guess, all areas would benefit from a fresh perspective right?

Anthro Girl
July 30th, 2004, 09:28 AM
As a result I'm planning a fic about where she might have been :D
Oh, I bet you are! :D

Maybe she was just in the other room...with the legal department? Yeah, under normal circumstances she'd have been there. Oh well...

Liv
August 2nd, 2004, 08:22 AM
I was actually really surprised about how much I loved Atlantis, it pretty much had me hooked right away. My worry was that they would try to make a show with cool effects and flashy villains without any real investment in the characters. Boy, was I wrong! The effects were great and so were the Wraith, but I´m also already attached to several of the characters. Sheppard, in particular, was a joy. And again, I was expecting to not like him, at all, but I do. A lot. Flanigan won me over almost immediately with his sense of wit and his likeability. McKay - also a surprise, considering what I thought about his attitude in "48 Hours". But here, he´s only a few steps behind Sheppard in the 'How do I love him, let me count the ways". Beckett and Ford also show great potential. Sadly, Weir hasn´t won me over yet (I liked Jessica Stein better) and neither has Teyla but that can all change.

And how much did I love seeing the Daniel and Jack-banter?! *sigh* Much.

"Jack, it´s not to late for me to...?"
"No."
"I could just grab my gear..."
"No."

Poor Daniel. :D

The Wraith were appropriately scary-looking and I really liked the red-headed one. Shame she was killed off so quickly.

greytop
August 2nd, 2004, 08:27 AM
The Wraith were appropriately scary-looking and I really liked the red-headed one. Shame she was killed off so quickly.

You never can tell maybe all the female Wraith have red hair.

Liv
August 2nd, 2004, 08:57 AM
You never can tell maybe all the female Wraith have red hair.

Maybe. :) One can hope, anyway. Especially if it includes the same menacing attitude.

Newbie
August 2nd, 2004, 11:29 PM
May be she ascended? and we'll see her again? muahaha...was that lame?

Mr. Seven
October 1st, 2004, 06:21 PM
Watching this again I never noticed how when Shepperd shows up McCay with his super fast calculation..in the background the one guy who is Indian I believe looks around in astonishment. This series is so good, the second time around you pick up on some cool stuff.

saxamoophone
October 1st, 2004, 07:06 PM
Watching part 2 on scifi tonight, I must say that the 'special' opening title sequence they used when the episode was split up was pretty darn pathetic!

A 2 minute shot of the ocean (with NOTHING happening) followed by a quick pan down to Atlantis in the last 5 seconds.

I know the episode was intended to be shown as a 2 hour TV movie, but yieks, they should have just sticked with the traditonal opening!

watcher652
October 1st, 2004, 10:34 PM
Watching this again I never noticed how when Shepperd shows up McCay with his super fast calculation..in the background the one guy who is Indian I believe looks around in astonishment. This series is so good, the second time around you pick up on some cool stuff.
His facility with numbers is part of Sheppard's official bio, so his calculation didn't surprise me. But I didn't catch anyone else noticing because I was looking at McKay being puzzled that Sheppard knew the math. I think McKay was still stunned by Sheppard's math ability when he kind of meekly went to follow Sheppard's order to try all the combinations and send a MALP thru when he found one that locked in. But all Sheppard had to do is look up that number once since you know how many symbols you need to dial out.

Seeing the episode again made me realize how good the shots of the city rising from the water are. It just takes your breath away and I'm looking at it on a 20 inch screen.

When the door first opened when Sheppard and Weir walked by, this time I noticed Peter and McKay looking towards the door. The first thing I thought was "oops, they just let in some allergens!"

Now I recognize Stackhouse when I see him. I didn't remember him being on the rescue mission.

At the party at the end, I could identify some of the other expedition members. And this time I noticed McKay and Beckett standing in the background watching Sheppard and Teyla as a setup for their close up scene.

Ugly Pig
October 2nd, 2004, 05:03 PM
I'm curious - just where is the break point between parts 1 and 2 of 'Rising'? I've only seen the full-lenght version...

Major Fischer
October 2nd, 2004, 05:11 PM
I'm curious - just where is the break point between parts 1 and 2 of 'Rising'? I've only seen the full-lenght version...

Just before the attack on Teyla's camp.

Major Fischer
October 2nd, 2004, 05:14 PM
Seeing the episode again made me realize how good the shots of the city rising from the water are. It just takes your breath away and I'm looking at it on a 20 inch screen.

You know... I found myself stopping dead in what I was doing to stare at the television screen during those shots last night, and I wasn't even really watching the episode...

Ugly Pig
October 2nd, 2004, 05:22 PM
Just before the attack on Teyla's camp.
I see... Thanks.

You know... I found myself stopping dead in what I was doing to stare at the television screen during those shots last night, and I wasn't even really watching the episode...
I seriously can't wait for it to come to DVD!

Major Fischer
October 2nd, 2004, 05:27 PM
I seriously can't wait for it to come to DVD!

It just gets more amazing every time I see it. You can see the details of the water coming off different parts of the structure, that I can't imagin you can see on a small computer screen. it's really probably the most amazing piece of non-combat special effects I've seen in a LONG time. Maybe the best piece of non-combat CGI I've ever seen.

Ugly Pig
October 2nd, 2004, 05:28 PM
And that on a TV budget. Those guys know their stuff, that's for sure! :D

Adamixoye
October 2nd, 2004, 10:58 PM
His facility with numbers is part of Sheppard's official bio, so his calculation didn't surprise me. But I didn't catch anyone else noticing because I was looking at McKay being puzzled that Sheppard knew the math. I think McKay was still stunned by Sheppard's math ability when he kind of meekly went to follow Sheppard's order to try all the combinations and send a MALP thru when he found one that locked in. But all Sheppard had to do is look up that number once since you know how many symbols you need to dial out. I think I've mentioned this before, but that calculation is not all that complex. It's a simple combinatorics problem. A grade school math whiz can understand it; a college student in math or another science- or computer-related field should know how to do that cold. And McKay should have known that, the real character exposition is how much he was looking down on everyone.

watcher652
October 4th, 2004, 09:50 AM
I'm curious - just where is the break point between parts 1 and 2 of 'Rising'? I've only seen the full-lenght version...

The split confused me because I thought we got to see the Wraith in the first part when we saw the full length version. But in the stand alone Rising Part 1, the last scene we see is McKay telling Weir the faster they get out of the ciity, the longer the shield will hold. A dramatic statement, but not as dramatic as encountering the Wraith for the first time. I know this was the last scene in Rising Part 1 because I was at a party watching the show and I said "Wait a minute, what happened to the Wraiths?"

In the stand alone Rising Part 2, the "last time on Stargate Atlantis" shows a bit of the scene with Sheppard and Teyla in the cave where he found her necklace. Also, is shown is what was supposed to be the last scene from the previous episode - Sheppard is saying "What is it?" and Teyla says "The Wraith!". These 2 scenes came after McKay tells Weir about the shield.

However, we didn't see those scenes when we saw the stand alone Rising Part 1.
As we now know, the scene where Sheppard and Teyla were in the cave and he found her necklace is really important later on.
I don't know why we didn't see it in the separate episode version.

Or am I just remembering this all wrong?


Edit to say that this episode split was on the SciFi channel in the US.
Edit again because I realized I said something about a future episode. I forgot some people are just starting to see the series.

TheWarrior
October 19th, 2004, 12:45 AM
UK SKY VIEWERS REMEMBER

ON Sky One at 9:00, Rising Part II airs. :)

michelleb
October 19th, 2004, 12:34 PM
UK SKY VIEWERS REMEMBER

ON Sky One at 9:00, Rising Part II airs. :)

watching it now, and i have to say, i'm enjoying this. the characters are well-rounded, the plot interesting, the technology fun, there's great humour, and i will definitely enjoy seeing where this goes. and very well written.

only problem..not scared of the wraith. at all, and i get the feeling i'm supposed to be. but then i was never scared of the gou'ald either. it's only the replicators and super soldiers that give me the chills, so i guess that's just me.

Crazedwraith
October 19th, 2004, 01:11 PM
Decent Episode. Liked the "GateShip1" "GateShip1?" "McKay named it" "Well it that case it officail. we don't let McKay name Anything." Exchange anfd the "Even with the 6 symbols Lt Ford gave there as still thousand hundreds.." Shep interupts wit the no. (what ever 6! is).. I knew thta i Just didn't nkow you Knew that."

So basiclly very happy Just one flaw: That isn't their permant credit sequence is it? Please don't say it is. Cause just the names and a moving blu background is NOT adecent sequence.

Anubis
October 19th, 2004, 01:13 PM
Generally a good episode, I love this Ancient tech, it is truly amazing stuff. Thinking of something lets you do it! :) I liked it when Sheppard asked for the turkey sandwich and they all stare around! lol :D

Watters87
October 19th, 2004, 01:20 PM
A briliant episode. Love the PJ. I like the characters of Sheppard, Beckett and McKay. Beckett is hilarious. Excellent start to Atlantis, hope it continues.

shelsfc
October 19th, 2004, 01:30 PM
Enjoyed that very much!!

I love these characters - quite enjoyed the Sheppard/Ford stuff, and McKay was very cool - bringing Sheppard to the puddle jumpers, trying to comfort Weir. The 'discussion' about naming the puddle jumpers was great! Sheppard figuring out how to work it & asking for a turkey sandwich, lol!
The city rising looked quite cool...not too sure about the opening credits though. I like the theme, but just staring at water isn't the most interesting way to start a show...:S

Pity Sumner couldn't be in more eps, but then I knew he'd be gone by the end of this one...

I thought the wraith were creepy. The Goa'uld never scared me, but they do...

McKay & Beckett at the end were hilarious - 'Why can't I make friends like that?' 'You need to get out more'...and 'Is there lemon in this?' LOL!!

All in all, thought it was a great ep!!

Major Fischer
October 19th, 2004, 03:06 PM
That's not the regular credit sequence.

greytop
October 19th, 2004, 04:01 PM
That's not the regular credit sequence.
:S Huh??? :S

Major Fischer
October 19th, 2004, 04:05 PM
:S Huh??? :S

The UK viewers were all expressing concern about the title sequence for the second part of rising, and I was just confirming that it's not the regular sequence. For both Rising 1 and Rising 2 they used episode specific title sequences so as not to give away the cool shots from those episodes that they used for the main credits.

Dodger
October 19th, 2004, 06:26 PM
I have seen both parts of the pilot now and think it’s fantastic. I hope the rest of the series lives up to the potential that this series has.

The Wraith really are very scary and it was a very spooky moment when they started to come to life at the end.

I like the new regulars particularly Major Shepard and the Scottish Doctor (what was his name again), but I did prefer the original Dr Wier.

Anyway I’m looking forward to the next episode. :)

watcher652
October 19th, 2004, 10:52 PM
II like the new regulars particularly Major Shepard and the Scottish Doctor (what was his name again), but I did prefer the original Dr Wier.
The medical doctor's name is Dr. Carson Beckett. Beckett, like the writer, or the guy from Quantum Leap. :)

Anubis
October 19th, 2004, 11:21 PM
A briliant episode. Love the PJ. I like the characters of Sheppard, Beckett and McKay. Beckett is hilarious. Excellent start to Atlantis, hope it continues.



I love these lines :


McKay: "You need to get out more."
Beckett: "We're in another galaxy, how much more out can you get?"


I love those lines! :D

Ugly Pig
October 20th, 2004, 01:38 PM
Man... With all this talk of the special title sequence for part 2, I'd sure like to see it. Just out of curiousity... :S

jantreeuk1
October 20th, 2004, 02:16 PM
No you wouldn't UP it was a very brief version of the regular musical score while staring at the surface of the sea from the bottom then the camera panned down to the city that was all. We also got a 'previously on' from DH because in their wisdom Sky split the story in two.
jan t

Ugly Pig
October 20th, 2004, 02:24 PM
No you wouldn't UP it was a very brief version of the regular musical score while staring at the surface of the sea from the bottom then the camera panned down to the city that was all. We also got a 'previously on' from DH because in their wisdom Sky split the story in two.
jan t
Sky isn't responsible for cutting the story in two... When double-length special episodes of a TV series are made, they usually make a two-episode standard length version of it as well, for use in syndication or repeats or whatever. Most likely, Sky simply purchased this version.

shelsfc
October 20th, 2004, 02:46 PM
That's not the regular credit sequence.
Thank goodness for that!!! :)

Matt G
October 20th, 2004, 02:55 PM
OK...

1. The Wraith were OK but not cack-your-pants territory

2. All stuff involving the puddle jumper was class!

3. The FX for the city rising were cool - but I'm not quite sure why the city rose in the first place - the Athosian came steaming in, the city looked about to sink and suddenly it starts rising? WTF?

4. McKay might yet redeem himself!;)

Ugly Pig
October 20th, 2004, 02:57 PM
3. The FX for the city rising were cool - but I'm not quite sure why the city rose in the first place - the Athosian came steaming in, the city looked about to sink and suddenly it starts rising? WTF?
Built-in safety feature. Once the shield runs out of power, the city rises to the surface.

CultTVGirl
October 22nd, 2004, 01:37 AM
Loved part two! Atlantis rising from the bottom of the ocean was just amazing. I think the city will make a really great base for the show.

Glad we got to see a bit more of Ford in this episode - he seems like he might be a fun character after all. Still not sure about Teyla though. And it's a real shame about Robert Patrick. :(

Also, Puddle Jumper - what an adorable name!

And did that Wraith with the red hair remind anyone else of Marilyn Manson? :eek:

Furling God
October 22nd, 2004, 04:21 AM
The actual rising was in part 2 ?

Major Fischer
October 22nd, 2004, 04:23 AM
The actual rising was in part 2 ?

Yes, the dividing point was the attack on Teyla's village.

SeaBee
October 22nd, 2004, 06:42 PM
As is usual with a two part episode, most of the action happens in part 2.

It was excellent, all of it.
The puddlejumper, the Wraith, the fights, The city rising, etc.

Can't wait for next Tuesday! :D

Furling God
October 22nd, 2004, 11:02 PM
As is usual with a two part episode, most of the action happens in part 2.

It was excellent, all of it.
The puddlejumper, the Wraith, the fights, The city rising, etc.

Can't wait for next Tuesday! :D

I agree, but the following episodes were not at all on that level of excellence. That is why I complain so much. I had signed for the level of Rising 1 and 2.

Rising part 2, although containing brilliant pieces like the rising of the city, already contains some awful details that announce the plague of dramatic inconsistencies in the next episodes.

- The first time you see the female Wraith in Sumner's back. That mouth... that sort of smile... just like a clown... you expect her to say: "surprise !" I almost thought they had found the planet of the clown in "The Simpsons".

- The weakness of the Wraiths, you can enter their hives as you want, can destroy their walls with C2, can shoot their fighters with guns, can kill them with a spade in the chest. Not possibly those who defeated the Ancients. The Ancients would have analysed that hive even before entering the planet anyway. Could not have "stumbled" upon that ennemy. The Wraiths in Rising part 1 were terrific, mysterious. I thought the forearm was threatening. Should have remained at that level.

Terok
October 26th, 2004, 05:25 AM
Thought parts 1 and 2 were fantastic and a great start to the series. Liking the cast as well, Shepperd, Weir and McKay all look like being great characters.

Think the Wraith need a bit more work, I mean these are the race that are responsible for defeating the ancients, yet it looked just a little to easy to walk into there ship and rescue the people. Maybe now they're all awake they'll be more formidable.

Atlantis rising from the ocean looked great, good FX.

Really looking forward to the next episode tonight.

XToDaZ
November 14th, 2004, 03:11 PM
I've just seen both Rising 1 and 2, and actually I'm quite disappointed.
The Wraith ... oh man, O'Neill would say "the mother of all clichés" like over 40 times ...
So stereotypical.

WraithWarrior
November 15th, 2004, 06:18 AM
Brilliant. This and the first were good starts to the first season of SGA. Dont think they should have killed Sumner so quick though. That was kind of a dissapointment.

Elite Anubis Guard
January 4th, 2005, 10:33 AM
what type of wraith did she say she was? a keeper?

aAnubiSs
January 4th, 2005, 10:39 AM
"I am merely the Keeper for those who sleeps" or something like that.

Elite Anubis Guard
January 4th, 2005, 10:52 AM
ok thanks alot!

chanvw
February 15th, 2005, 01:41 AM
...I mean these are the race that are responsible for defeating the ancients, yet it looked just a little to easy to walk into there ship and rescue the people. Maybe now they're all awake they'll be more formidable.


Personally, I don't think the wraith are the "powerful enemy" that the Ancients described. The Ancients even admitted that the Wraith's technology wasn't how they got the upper hand, rather it was their numbers. I think there's a good chance that the "powerful enemy" probably created the Wraith to attack the Ancients. It could be the beings who created the nanovirus in Hot Zone

Ugly Pig
February 15th, 2005, 08:21 AM
Personally, I don't think the wraith are the "powerful enemy" that the Ancients described.
Then you are wrong. :p

SmartFox
February 24th, 2005, 08:30 PM
The Wraith didnt defeat the Ancients through superior technology but through overwhelming odds. And by overwhelming i mean 100's to 1. SPOILERS UNDERGROUND When they get the information that they stole they find out there is over 40 hive ships in their sector alone. Thats alot.

Futura
November 4th, 2005, 12:32 AM
I agree, a very fantastic intorduction into Stargate Atlanits, the specail effects and all great job. I have liked Stargate Atlantis from the very begining, I also liked they way the characters were introduced into the series and, dam to many things to say to simplfy it i liked this episode and i would give it a 9/10 in my books

andrelage
December 18th, 2005, 05:47 AM
i loved this episode as we got to see a whole room full of those puddlejumpers but does anyone know how many there are in that room above the gateroom or if there are any more rooms like it.

captain jake
April 8th, 2006, 04:04 PM
I am pretty sure that is the only room with puddle jumpers in it. I have never taken the time to count all of them but probably as many as 15-25 of them.

BC - 303
April 23rd, 2006, 04:13 AM
Wow, the rising is the best part.

today i came home and turned on the TV and saw that Rising was about to start on Sky two, i was pleased to see it was part 2, i watched part 1 last week.

For the first time i put my TV to Maximum capasity when the City sheilds failed, It such a brilliant moment of TV. And with my TV full volume the room was actualy shacking, and my heart was pounding, even though its like the 20th time seeing it rise, its still brilliant. One of the best scenes in Stargate. Long live Atlantis

Vicky
April 23rd, 2006, 07:18 AM
I always found the special effect on the rise scene really impressive. They did a fantastic job on it.
I have to agree with you on this it's definitely one of the best part of this ep!

captain jake
April 24th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Yes it definately is one of the best scenes of the first season.

Captain-Peregrine
April 28th, 2006, 07:39 AM
Atlantis rising to the surface is still some of the best five minutes of tv that I have seen in a long, long time. I love that part--I've seen the episode about five times now and I still get excited every time the city bursts through the surface. Awesome!

captain jake
April 29th, 2006, 03:12 PM
What about the scene where the shield raises in "the eye", I think that is just as good as atlantis rising.

Cory Holmes
April 29th, 2006, 04:24 PM
What about the scene where the shield raises in "the eye", I think that is just as good as atlantis rising.

A little better, in my opinion. In Rising we (the A-Team) really had no idea what they were in for or what was going on. In The Eye, there was a better sense of peril due to the fact that the city was about to be pasted by a "mega storm from Hell". But we were all saved by Rodney's impeccable sense of timing, as usual :)

captain jake
April 29th, 2006, 05:26 PM
As usual haha.

harsiesis child
May 26th, 2006, 11:38 AM
As i said in my post in the first part thread, the second part is more conventional: we discover the enemy, we are captured by the enemy and we flee ^^... I can agree to people who say it looks like SG1 pilot.
However, it is needed... ^^ and quite correct

JediCavalier
August 10th, 2006, 06:19 AM
Sorry about the topic revival (or are episodes immune), but I was wondering:

At what times (00:00) in this episode are there gross scenes with the Wraith?

PG15
August 11th, 2006, 07:11 PM
What's your definition of "gross"?

JediCavalier
August 12th, 2006, 06:31 AM
What's your definition of "gross"?
Like, devoured humans, hideous Wraith screaming, making disgusting gestures with their suckers, and/or teeth...basically anything that could give a young(ish) child nightmares.

Catsitter
August 12th, 2006, 01:52 PM
Like, devoured humans, hideous Wraith screaming, making disgusting gestures with their suckers, and/or teeth...basically anything that could give a young(ish) child nightmares.

I can't tell you the exact times without watching it all over again, but I should think the worst bit is all the stuff with Sumner towards the end. But I would advise you to watch it all on your own first and decide for yourself which bits you wouldn't want your child to watch.

JediCavalier
August 16th, 2006, 05:58 PM
*Sigh* I AM the child! I am sensitive to gross-ness. I'll watch out for that Sumner part. If I want to watch Lost City, New Order, and Rising in chronological order...what is that order?

PG15
August 16th, 2006, 06:00 PM
THAT is the right order.

JediCavalier
August 17th, 2006, 05:17 AM
THAT is the right order.
So I am actually fairly intelligent? Wow!

How would all you guys/girls rate the techno-aspect of this episode?

Orovingwen
September 26th, 2006, 03:30 PM
heck yeah let's made enemies! Weir is so right in the scene with Shep!

And Sheo bringing all the people there and not sking weir anyway and.. gah! and that should be the military leader now? oh my..
Well I like Shep as person but not as a military leader.. but it's not my city ;)

I didn't liked the Wraith that much, they rememberd me on the Nazgûl and I didn't bought them. They loooked more like they shoudl be scray instead of beeing it. Like "oh we need a horroble scary super-evil-nemesis-race"
Now I like the Wraith, yeah suck me! *hehe*

The raising of the city is WOW! I said in the firt part thread it's really a cool look! just Weirs words were so... "give the series a big set up" and not organic for the character.

and WTF about Teyla? she trust people form another galaxy who comes to her planet, bring the wraith with them and start a war? yeah sure, great leader.. I would trust you with my life NOT.
And after that she calls them as friends? erm.. yeah with such friends you don't need enemies.

And about Weir... well in teh first part she stood up to him and said he shouldn't get head over heels and then she tells him ge did the right thing to piss everybody of, to put people in jepardy and bring strangers into their own caos of settleing down there?

I liked the couch scene though, just how did Shep got the game on the screen? Does he have a DVD and they put it into a laptop and projected it on screen? And why do they bring popcorn?
But the city is cool must have a slef-cleaning program because there is no dirt and no dust^^ A George-Robot who keeps everything clean, the city, the laundry, the bathrooms, waterrecycler, jumper and teh stargate.. hm consider 'bot that flys over the stargate with a feather duster :lol:

meredithchandler73
November 11th, 2006, 11:37 AM
I just watched all of Stargate SG-1 in the last 2 1/2 months and decided to start on Stargate Atlantis. :)

I really loved the pilot. I don't know what I was expecting, but I really enjoyed it. I like the characters and I like the premise. Another strong female character for me to love - I liked Weir from the get-go. Not sure yet how I feel about Teyla. I don't dislike her. I'm also pleasantly surprised that I didn't hate McKay. He was a good foil for Carter in the SG-1 episodes he appeared in, but I couldn't imagine watching him all the time. And here I was enjoying him so much!!!

teal'c2006
March 12th, 2007, 11:16 AM
Loved this episode and is one of my many favorites of season one.

First
June 18th, 2007, 07:26 PM
This is the introduction to the Wraith. I found them to be an intimidating foe up close. When the humans were imprisoned and the wraith "captain" came to select one of them for dinner I was expecting the whole system lord style introduction and interrogation thing. But the Wraith said nothing, just knocked Sumner down, selected a victim and left. Teyla said "The Wraith have no need to explain themselves" I found that silent treatment to be very intimidating. Treating humans merely as cattle.

First
June 18th, 2007, 07:37 PM
I was a little disappointed that for such an advanced enemy, the Wraith were easy to defeat. The darts can be shot down with our "primitive" weapons and their bases are easily infiltrated. I guess you can say we caught them off guard. I hope they are tougher in future.

They don't seem like a match for the Ancients. A Puddle Jumper is clearly superior to a Wraith Dart.
IF they defeated the Ancients through superior numbers, that too seems odd. Because predatory species don't normally outnumber their prey. Certainly not in earthly ecosystems anyway. But the Wraith's long hibernation can explain this, plus we don't know how often they need to feed.

StevenCaldwell
June 19th, 2007, 01:46 AM
The jumpers missiles are cool!

Yeah they are, drones are one of the most powerfull wepons ever bult, still i dont think we need to use to 2 drones to take out a dart.

The Rising is still one of the best Stargate Atlantis episode to date. I was just like wow when i first watched it.

SGA FOREVER!!!

Butlersgate
February 25th, 2009, 09:33 AM
the jumpers should of defo had a turkey sandwhich creator :D brilliant episode

Dodgified
March 2nd, 2009, 10:03 AM
does anyone else get a shiver down their spine when atlantis rises? its amazing.

gateship15
March 6th, 2009, 04:31 PM
this is a great episode and its great because its in two parts i think the Atlantis rising was great and the fact u didn't know if they were going to die or if they would have to give up Atlantis (well u know they would live since it would be stupid if they didn't) and as for the Wraith they have became i fave bad guys

escyos
May 15th, 2009, 03:05 AM
i honestly dont know why they always separate these two eps...its the same EPISODE!

nmmb
July 13th, 2009, 09:43 AM
I liked the episode, the wraith look relay cool, they are the scariest looking enemy I can remember!

I really like all the new characters but my favourite for now are Dr.McKay and Dr.Beckett!
They are funny :)

Madwelshboy
August 2nd, 2009, 01:06 AM
I re-watched Rising the other day, and my enjoyment level of it has really dropped. Do i know why, well not really i guess there could be many a factors that play into it; other shows that i've watched recently or things that have been said recently or maybe the amount of times i've seen it (which i dont think is that much). Its gone from something i use to really enjoy to something very generic. I hope this feeling changes as i continue to re-watch season 1.

Tanie
November 28th, 2009, 04:15 PM
I really liked the fact that Shep took the position of killing Sumner to stop the feeding Wraith, and then needed Ford to help him get away.

Still and awsome episode after the years that have past.

Pharaoh Atem
November 28th, 2009, 05:06 PM
I really liked the fact that Shep took the position of killing Sumner to stop the feeding Wraith, and then needed Ford to help him get away.

Still and awsome episode after the years that have past.

haven't seen it in years

i should

gateship15
December 3rd, 2009, 12:12 AM
i love the rising of Atlantis. it is so cool and well done

SGSteve
December 5th, 2009, 03:05 PM
Just watched these two episodes on a repeat on Space...it's a pretty good episode! And knowing what happens in the end of the series, I kind of wish it had stayed a little closer to the pilot than what happened.

gateship15
December 5th, 2009, 03:38 PM
oh ok i haven't seen the end of the series the channels don't play them here. but i did really like this ep and all other episodes the did decide to play

Ouroboros
December 11th, 2009, 06:58 PM
I really liked the fact that Shep took the position of killing Sumner to stop the feeding Wraith, and then needed Ford to help him get away.

Still and awsome episode after the years that have past.

It's funny to look back at that scene in light of the episodes that happened later like "broken ties" where it shows how the Wraith interrogation process actually works.

In Rising we see it and think that the Wraith Keeper is killing Sumner anyway so Shep just puts him out of his misery, in actual fact though it's unlikely Sumner would have actually died had Shep not shot him. Broken Ties showed how the Wraith interrogate people by making them old, then young, then old, then young etc over and over until they break and/or get addicted to the Wraith enzyme and become worshipers.

Shep probably thought he was just doing a mercy killing but he actually probably inadvertently saved Earth and possibly even the whole MW galaxy. If Sumner had been turned into a fully willing member of the Wraith fan club the whole expedition would probably have been dead inside of the week with an all out invasion of Earth to follow shortly. Worse still, as the team was out of contact with Earth at this point there would be absolutely no advance warning to the fact that Earth was about to come under direct surprise attack by the enemy that'd wiped out the ancients.

Once the Wraith realize how human rich the MW is to everyone else is likewise screwed, as the only thing approaching an organized power left at that point is the Lucian alliance and they're certainly not going to stop an all out Wraith invasion of the galaxy.

gateship15
December 11th, 2009, 08:18 PM
i agree with all u have said it is well put

Kyarra
January 9th, 2010, 01:19 PM
I have to say that the city rising is the most UH-MA-ZING visual effects thing I have ever seen!! I rewatched this episode the other day and it still took my breath away.

ktebid
February 5th, 2010, 12:54 AM
rewatched this today. I really enjoyed the promise that the Rising 1& 2 showed for a great series. It showed the moral integrity of the characters. The wraith appeared to be the perfect villian for the series.

Saquist
March 8th, 2010, 03:31 AM
I really liked the fact that Shep took the position of killing Sumner to stop the feeding Wraith, and then needed Ford to help him get away.

Still and awsome episode after the years that have past.


I just watched this episode over the weekend and it had been years since I'd seen it.
WHAT A GREAT PILOT!!!

You're right they should have kept the wraith illusions...kept the wraith smart not dumb them down like they did in the end.
But still the rising of Atlantis was like a dream come to life....it was....perhaps the most spectacular moment in Sci Fi