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GateWorld
October 12th, 2005, 07:46 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 204</FONT>
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Hurley is assigned to inventory the food stockpile inside the hatch, bringing up memories about the day after his big lottery win. Michael, Jin, and Sawyer learn more about their captors.

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NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 12th, 2005, 07:57 PM
Hey, you know what. This was the first episode of Lost I watched, all the way through. And it was a pretty cool episode.

ShadowMaat
October 12th, 2005, 08:15 PM
I LOVE Hugo! Poor, poor, abused Hurley. I wish we'd learned a bit more about him/his past, though. The flashbacks were a little frustrating.And I spent the whole ep waiting for the chicken place to get destroyed my metorites. *grumble*

I get the feeling his life really DID go to hell after he won, and not JUST because of "the numbers".

Knew Bernard would be a survivor, but wasn't expecting him to be white. How bigoted of me. :o

Looks like the stewardess lady made it, too.

And 23 survivors! 23!! AAAHHH! And they're in another Dharma facility, but it doesn't look nearly as cozy as the Swan.

Ya know, Shakespeare's stuff was sometimes performed at the Swan Theatre. Just for another random connection.

Yay to the food giving. and PEANUT BUTTER!

warmbeachbrat
October 12th, 2005, 08:20 PM
And 23 survivors! 23!! AAAHHH! And they're in another Dharma facility, but it doesn't look nearly as cozy as the Swan.

*snip*

Yay to the food giving. and PEANUT BUTTER!

It didn't look like there were 23 people in that facility--I wonder what happened to them all.

And I also LOVED Hurley's solution to the food situation!

Duke Chocula
October 12th, 2005, 08:37 PM
It didn't look like there were 23 people in that facility--I wonder what happened to them all.

And I also LOVED Hurley's solution to the food situation!

Sawyer asked her "I thought there were 23 of you?"
Chick: "There were."
:eek:

I'm guessing the "others" or maybe the monsters got a couple of easier meals from them then the other survivors... Explains why they stayed away from them.

I had a revelation into lost the other day, something that explained something, I cant remember it, all I remember is that it made alot of sense. :(

memnarch
October 12th, 2005, 10:04 PM
Must know what the place was that the other survivors were in!! Must know about their interactions with the Others!!! Must learn why Hurley was in a mental institution!!!!!

DJFavorite
October 12th, 2005, 10:12 PM
Mentioning Hurley and the mental institution. I was explaining to the hubby that his lottery numbers were the same numbers that they had to input into the computer. At first he didn't believe me. Then I went on to explain how he got the numbers from a guy in the mental institution who would just say those numbers over and over. Guess who that guy was? Well, I don't know the name, but he was one of the "button pushers" who probably was replaced before the "incident".

Also, did anyone get a screen cap of the Dharma symbol in the second facility? It was definately different, but I couldn't tell what it was.

I can't think of anything else. But I need to get a copy of the first season. I'm afraid of what I have forgotten and what I missed.

LoneStar1836
October 12th, 2005, 10:39 PM
Hurley learned about the numbers from Lenny in the mental institution. Lenny was in the U.S. Navy and stationed at a listening post in Kalgoorlie, Australia, “monitoring long wave transmissions out of the Pacific” with Sam Toomey, the guy in Australia that Hurley goes to see (course he had killed himself 4 yrs earlier) last season.


About tonight….for a second there I thought the tail people had done something to Jin and Michael because, to me, they were acting kind of strange and too calm when they came to get Sawyer out of the pit.

ItsDan
October 13th, 2005, 04:23 AM
Here's the best screencap I could get. I think, and this might be WAY off, but it almost looks like a bird. Imagine a bird flying straight 'up' with its wings extended.

Also I wonder if 'the others' were maybe criminals or crazy people. Those tend to make the best subjects for people studying psychology, which was one of the Dharma projects.

Not sure if it was mentioned yet, but: http://www.bigspaceship1.com appears to be related to the show, although I can't access it now. Last night it had a pic of a gas mask with rapidly increasing music, it also sometimes has 2 polar bears crossing paths.

ItsDan
October 13th, 2005, 04:24 AM
Forgot the pic.

Carbito
October 13th, 2005, 07:11 AM
Sawyer asked her "I thought there were 23 of you?"
Chick: "There were."
:eek:

That is what I really want to find out, hopefully in the next episode. This show is always raising many more questions than it ever answers.

ItsDan
October 13th, 2005, 07:57 AM
I have to go back and check the credits, but I think the guy who played Hurley's boss, also played Locke's boss. Both were named 'Randy'.

Hurley also owned a box company, presumably the one Locke worked at.

VirtualCLD
October 13th, 2005, 08:46 AM
Well, the episode confirmed my suspicions that the "Udder!" were in fact all the survivors of the tail section and not the real Others. They were just paranoid survivors who (I'm guessing) have been whittled down by the real Others.


Hurley learned about the numbers from Lenny in the mental institution. Lenny was in the U.S. Navy and stationed at a listening post in Kalgoorlie, Australia, “monitoring long wave transmissions out of the Pacific” with Sam Toomey, the guy in Australia that Hurley goes to see (course he had killed himself 4 yrs earlier) last season.


A small diversion:
I thought it was shortwave, not long wave. In any case, that part of the story has been bothering me (from a technical point of view). We learned that the two guys stationed at the listening post received the signal about 16 years ago, around the same time Rousseau's team picked up the signal. Later, she changes the signal to a distress call, but the problem I had was that the handheld transmitter that Sayid used picked the signal up in the 100's of Megahertz, or VHF band. Longwave and Shortwave transmissions are in the HF band, which requires completely different hardware (radio and antennae) for transmitting. Also, signals can't change in frequency, so either there is another transmitter somewhere on the island, or the writers misused their radio terminology.

skye1974
October 13th, 2005, 09:10 AM
Knew Bernard would be a survivor, but wasn't expecting him to be white. How bigoted of me. :o
Why would that be bigoted? Most married couples (at least in the U.S.) are of the same race, so it's not necessarily wrong (or evidence of any latent prejudice), IMO, to assume that her husband would be black. It was a nice surprise, though.

Unless you were being facetious. In which case, never mind.

ShadowMaat
October 13th, 2005, 10:11 AM
I have to go back and check the credits, but I think the guy who played Hurley's boss, also played Locke's boss. Both were named 'Randy'.
I THOUGHT he looked familiar! And you're right, it IS the same guy! I wonder what that says...

Maybe he got his boss a job at the box factory after the Chaco Chicken (whatever it's called) was destroyed. Curiouser and curiouser.

Kensterman
October 13th, 2005, 07:42 PM
What an interesting end to this weeks episode -- I didn't expect Hurley to be distributing all that food at the end when it appeared that he was going to blow it up. I was surprised that Jack didn't have a cow and agreed with that decision.

P.S. That peanut butter is probably rancid from being in storage for that long :eek:

Arative
October 14th, 2005, 07:04 AM
At the end, Hurley tells Jack that there is enough food down there for one guy for 3 months and if Desmond had been down there several years, how is there still food? Does the food get replinished at regular intervals as long as the button is still being pressed? Does that mean that Dharma is aware of the plane crash survivors? Did Dharma cause the crash in the first place to set up some sort of social experiment?

KatG
October 14th, 2005, 07:09 AM
This was an interesting ep.

Poor Hurley. Regardless of whether the numbers are actually cursed, it looks like Hurley's life changed drastically by winning with them, and not necessarily for the good. I loved the flashbacks and exchanges with his friend. I'm assuming from Hurley's reactions that the friendship did change.

I found Charlie to be really, really annoying in this one. Yes he wanted PB for Claire, but I think he was a bit harsh.

I found Jack's attitude annoying too. There's nothing worse than playing "I've got a secret, and I'm not going to tell you, only a select few get to know it". He should have spoken up, told the group what they knew, and that as soon as everything had been inventoried, it would be distributed.

Love that Locke told Charlie what he wanted to know. That's how it should have been from the beginning.

Love that Hurley stood up to Jack about handing out the food. I think maybe Rose helped him with that.

I'm with Shadow in saying that I was a bit embarassed that I had assumed Rose's husband was black. I don't have a problem with him being white at all, it just kind of shocked me when I realized that I had made such an assumption based on the fact that Rose was black. Then I got to thinking that maybe that's what the writers had in mind, to challenge the assumptions that we make about people.

I'm sure I wasn't the only one thinking that the black guy from the tail section must be Rose's husband. In fact we were almost set up to think that. And isn't that what we do every week. We make assumptions about the characters based on what we know, only to have our assumptions blown away in the flashback sequences. And as we are entertained and blown away, we learn something. We learn that we shouldn't make assumptions about people. That we need to get to know them and their background and how it shapes who they are, before we decide what kind of person they are. To me that's really, really good scifi.

Kensterman
October 14th, 2005, 07:17 AM
Good observations: like Jack said earlier, perhaps this is all one big experiment, which in a sense would be crappy as it takes the mystery away from us and from the entire survivors on the island....if that's indeed the case, but I don't think it is. Hmm, maybe we aren't supposed to think too deep or question certain aspects of the show ie. like the food supply :rolleyes: Well, I mean the producers/directors should keep in mind that there are nerdy ones out there like us :D

By the way, I wonder what happened to the rest of the survivors -- didn't they said that there were twenty something of us, but when they went inside the compartment there were just a few. Unless there all out fishing or something.


At the end, Hurley tells Jack that there is enough food down there for one guy for 3 months and if Desmond had been down there several years, how is there still food? Does the food get replinished at regular intervals as long as the button is still being pressed? Does that mean that Dharma is aware of the plane crash survivors? Did Dharma cause the crash in the first place to set up some sort of social experiment?

ItsDan
October 14th, 2005, 09:35 AM
I think the way the woman looks and sounds when Michael questions her about what she said about 23 survivors tells us they aren't fishing.

KatG
October 14th, 2005, 10:25 AM
ROFL.

I don't think they're fishing either. However they might very well be fish bait. :)

Arative
October 14th, 2005, 10:32 AM
I thought that they might be implying that they turned to canablism when they said there used to be 23 but given the the ocean is near and there appears to be fruit trees, I have a hard time believing that they would have slipped so far so quickly from civilized behavior. I find it much more likely that the 'Others' have been slowly killing them off for something.

ShadowMaat
October 14th, 2005, 10:37 AM
I agree about Charlie. He's become paranoid, angry, and suspicious. Dunno if that means he's back on the drugs or what, but I don't like it.

I'd like to know Jack's reasoning for keeping the bunker a secret. That has to be one of the stupidest things ever. Just a way for him to feel like he's still in complete control of the situation. Jackass. But I never liked him much, anyway.

I'm curious about how Desmond managed to survive without sleep, too. Or how long he had to do it. 108 minutes isn't a lot of time, certainly not enough to get the required amount of REM sleep a human body requires. The long-term effects of sleep deprivation can be quite harsh and include visual and audio hallucinations and increased temper, paranoia, etc. Hmm... Maybe Charlie's the one who hasn't been sleeping. LOL

I wonder when Kelvin died. Maybe it coincides with the plane crash. Or maybe Kelvin just wandered off into the woods to join the Others.

Do I want to know what Desmond did with the body or, the food situation being what it apparently was, am I better off not asking? ;)

As for the 23 being whittled down, it honestly never occurred to me that it would be anything other than being preyed upon by the Others. Or falling victim to the sickness. Or just generally dying due to misadventure. Accidents. Whatever. The one girl drowned in the main group, after all. COuld be similar issues with the girl's wolf pack.

Anubis
October 14th, 2005, 11:22 AM
I really enjoyed this episode, probably because I like Hurley's back-story so much. Cluck off. Great moments throughtout the episode, too, I really enjoyed it. I was surprised to see Bernard was a white man, instead of the black man. Interesting to see that twist. Wasn't expecting it. Yet another sweet episode. :)

TheObiJuan
October 14th, 2005, 12:18 PM
A good episode where many of the characters showed their true colors.

I was wanting Ana Lucia to be a good chic, I am not liking her now...

Jonzey
October 14th, 2005, 12:41 PM
Was a good ep. Although I'm starting to like Jack a lot less. He's becoming a bit whiny or something. On the other hand, I'm liking Sawyer more. He's showing more ''Hero'' qualities than Jack ever had.

Anubis
October 14th, 2005, 01:23 PM
I was wanting Ana Lucia to be a good chic, I am not liking her now...


She's certainly trying to play 'tough chick,' anyway. Jonzey is right, Jack is becoming a less fav character of mine, I'm sure you can think why that is. ;) But true, Sawyer is defeniately showing some very cool qualities. I think they're trying hard to develop Sawyer into a more 'loved' character this season.

ShadowMaat
October 14th, 2005, 01:39 PM
Gotta say, after Anna's little power play with Sawyer & co, my first thought was, "I wonder if she was a Blood or a Crip?" Sheesh. Nasty street gang 'tude she's got. It may have kept them alive, but still. I guess we'll need to see more of her and her crew and what they're up against before I can start to wonder whether or not her attitude is "what's best" or if she may have made things worse for everyone.

Oh, and Jack letching after Kate in the shower? WTF?! A real gentleman would have turned his back, not leered at her. :rolleyes: But then, Jack ain't a gentleman, is he?

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 14th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Just a heads up, in case folks didn't already know; next week's ep is a Sun/Jin focused ep named And Found. The next episode titles/character focus are...


Episode 2.06: Abandoned - Shannon

Episode 2.07: The Other 48 Days - Ana-Lucia

Episode 2.08: Old Habits - Charlie

SOURCE: Spoilerfix

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 14th, 2005, 03:43 PM
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&meta=lastup&cat=0&pos=0

shows a pic of Hurley and Jin in Hurley's nightmare. Get a look at the milk carton. :)

(click on the picture to enlarge)

Anubis
October 15th, 2005, 01:37 AM
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&meta=lastup&cat=0&pos=0

shows a pic of Hurley and Jin in Hurley's nightmare. Get a look at the milk carton. :)

(click on the picture to enlarge)


That's a very interesting picture. I couldn't see it at first glance when watching it, but actually forgot about it after watching. Thanks! Very interesting ...

ShadowMaat
October 15th, 2005, 06:42 AM
Found a better pic of the second station's logo: http://www.hellblazer.com/media/montauk.gif

I suppose that could be a snake. Cobra? Coiled up and posed to strike? Or not an animal at all? Hmm...

Jonzey
October 15th, 2005, 07:47 AM
So do you think all the Dharma stations are on the lsland? And if they are, do they all need to have the numbers entered?

Also, I'm not usually a shippy guy, but anyone get the feeling Sawyer is gonna end up with that new girl (Michelle Rodriguez? Dunno the character's name). But I originally thought Kate should be with Jack, cos Sawyer bugged the hell outta me in the first season, but now Jack's really a wuss, so I hope she gets someone better.

ShadowMaat
October 15th, 2005, 09:00 AM
Well, didn't the orientation vid say something about things going wrong specifically at Swan Station necessitating the numbers? So I'd guess that's the only station that needs it. Cobra Station (*cough*GI Joe*cough*) is probably a different sort of experiment. I wonder what...

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 15th, 2005, 04:08 PM
Found a better pic of the second station's logo: http://www.hellblazer.com/media/montauk.gif

I suppose that could be a snake. Cobra? Coiled up and posed to strike? Or not an animal at all? Hmm...

Hum... I wonder where that drawing came from?

Because the picture here:

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&meta=lastup&cat=0&pos=23

doesn't look like an animal at all. (Click on picture to enlarge.)

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 15th, 2005, 04:28 PM
So do you think all the Dharma stations are on the lsland? And if they are, do they all need to have the numbers entered?


I think it's quite possible that all but one station is on the island. My guess for the off-island station is the Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility. And I wouldn't be surprised if that facility is not located on terra firma, either....

I also think it's interesting that Ana-Lucia(Ms Bully) said the tail section landed in the water. The station her group found seems devoid of all equipment and supplies, and they wouldn't have had the luxury of scrounging from the supplies and luggage from their part of the plane to the extent that our season one gang did. Considering that the first group lost five members(the pilot, the drowned girl, Scott(... Steve?), Boone and Arzt(sp?) ) it's not surprising that group two fared far worse. :eek:

ItsDan
October 16th, 2005, 06:05 AM
I guess "the plus sign" is a stupid name for a station, then again, 'the swan' is kinda dumb too. I'm sure we were intentionall left in the dark on what's on the symbol.

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 16th, 2005, 08:11 AM
Here's a photo of the second Dharma station that seems to fit with the picture up on Lost-Media

http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=otherdharma7kn.jpg

It would appear that the stations are named after constellations. Swan= Sygnus and Sagitta relates to Arrow. Aaaand... since there's an Apollo chocolate bar in the Swan station, it may interest you to know that both the swan and the arrow are closely tied into the Greek god Apollo mythology.

Apollo's son, Phaeton flies his dad's chariot too close to the sun and loses control of the burning vehicule. To save Earth from the infernus crash, Zeus zaps Phaeton with a lightning bolt, causing him to fall out of the chariot into the river Eridanus. (the horses take the burning chariot heavenward and make the Milky Way.)
Phaeton's best bud, Cygnus, dives repeatedly into the river to save him and Zeus turns him into a swan to help him help his friend. For his heroism Cygnus is later allowed a place in the Milky Way - the Cygnus Constellation.

Sagitta has been identified with just about every famous arrow in mythology. It has been said to be the arrow that killed the eagle of Zeus, the arrow shot by Hercules at the Stymphalian Birds, and the one with which Apollo slew the Cyclops. It has also been said to represent Cupid’s arrow. Sagitta is the third smallest constellation.

For a list of other possible station names - assuming they are named after constellations, go to:
http://www.lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=17256

aaobuttons
October 16th, 2005, 12:21 PM
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&meta=lastup&cat=0&pos=0

shows a pic of Hurley and Jin in Hurley's nightmare. Get a look at the milk carton. :)

(click on the picture to enlarge)



Interesting, since at this point Hurley wouldn't know that Walt was taken by the Others.

ShadowMaat
October 16th, 2005, 12:58 PM
It would appear that the stations are named after constellations. Swan= Sygnus and Sagitta relates to Arrow. Aaaand... since there's an Apollo chocolate bar in the Swan station, it may interest you to know that both the swan and the arrow are closely tied into the Greek god Apollo mythology.
So I was right about the Grek connection, too?? Damn, I'm good! LOL! Although I was thinking more of Zeus than Apollo.

I don't know my Greek mythos as well as I know my Egyptian stuff. :D

Nyarlathotep
October 18th, 2005, 08:34 AM
Maybe I was being age-ist... but I guessed that tail section black guy wouldn't be Rose's husband (for one it was too obvious for this show!) because I figured he looked way too young.

I also got the distinct impression that Anna and co were surprised to find so few people in the bunker - rather than them getting picked off over time I think something has happened recently (there was a woman in the back ground that looked injured) plus when she said how many of them there were it definately sounded to me that she meant there were 23 of them now, not that they started as 23 and were now a lot less...

Anyhow, not long to wait now I guess before we find out...

KayMan2k
October 18th, 2005, 12:40 PM
I think it's quite possible that all but one station is on the island. My guess for the off-island station is the Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility. And I wouldn't be surprised if that facility is not located on terra firma, either....

I wouldn't be surprised if it was underwater. Sayid had found a cable (power cable from the Swan's geothermal generator?) leading underwater and then we saw that Shark (guarding another hatch?) with a new Dharma symbol. Just my guess...

Qasim
November 20th, 2005, 11:02 AM
Everyone loves Hugo now

The Signal
January 13th, 2006, 10:02 AM
Just watched this, and a great ep IMO Heartwarming to the end, it brought out a new level of comedy from Hurly. And on another note, Kate in the towel, yowza! :P

Easter Lily
February 28th, 2006, 02:07 AM
What a lovely episode... good ending considering that there's been so much bickering of late.
I really haven't been watching the show that closely for clues... just happy to go along with the ride. But perhaps I should...
It really does look more and more like the island is one guinea pig cage.

I was thinking earlier in the piece that the big African American man was Bernard but when they opened the door to the second bunker and the actual Bernard popped out his head... I suspected that HE was Bernard. It was just the way they focused the camera on him.

Metarock Sam
May 9th, 2006, 04:11 PM
Such a great episode !!!
Loved Hurleys funny flashbacks with that guy from road trip which was really funny and cool.
Hurley's Dream Sequence was brilliant too 'Have a cluckedy cluck cluck day Hugo'.
Then we have the survivors who are all from the tail section of the plane although Its mysterious how there is so few when the women said 23 people survived. (Perhaps the others got to them)
Then here was Sayid stating that the concrete was like that in Chenobyl suggesting that there may be a possible nuclear element on the Island.
I cant wait till next week !!!

thekingoftypo
May 14th, 2006, 10:09 AM
In this episode I noticed near the start just before Jin starts talking in english to Hugo in the hatch food storage room. That if you look carefully at the milk bottle you will notice at the top the word "Missing" and underneath a picture of Walt.

rarocks24
May 14th, 2006, 10:58 AM
Nobody hates Hurley

jonno
May 14th, 2006, 03:06 PM
In this episode I noticed near the start just before Jin starts talking in english to Hugo in the hatch food storage room. That if you look carefully at the milk bottle you will notice at the top the word "Missing" and underneath a picture of Walt.

Holy cow - you're right! How did i not spot that? Great spot. (or am i the ONLY one who didn't notice?)

The Signal
May 15th, 2006, 10:32 AM
(or am i the ONLY one who didn't notice?)
Pretty much :P

Metarock Sam
May 15th, 2006, 10:41 AM
I saw trhat too LOL.
ON another note the actor who plays Walt appeard on My Name is Earl the other day as a kid who Earl made afraid of the Dark. IT was really funny !!!

Mousie
June 19th, 2006, 06:23 AM
Interesting, since at this point Hurley wouldn't know that Walt was taken by the Others.

Maybe suggesting that Hurley has some latent phycic abilities to have picked up on it?