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July 9th, 2004, 04:22 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 802</FONT>
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Earth considers an alliance with the Goa'uld against a common enemy, and Stargate Command will never be the same.

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Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:00 PM
"Together we cannot be stopped"

And I'm thinking: "Except for the new weapons that are probably being installed on Every Asgard vessel at this very moment."

And I'm sure the asgard will be gracious enough to give us a few. Just in case.

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 07:02 PM
Wow! Way cool ending!!!!

I didn't expect that twist! Loved it - loved part one as well! I think we're off to a great start this season!

DownFallAngel
July 9th, 2004, 07:03 PM
Mazing! I can't beleive the asgard named a ship calss the daniel jackson. Loved the twist. Wonder what the name is.

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 07:04 PM
[QUOTE=Mio]"Together we cannot be stopped"

And I'm thinking: "Except for the new weapons that are probably being installed on Every Asgard vessel at this very moment."
[QUOTE]


They'll have to catch them first. ;)

greytop
July 9th, 2004, 07:05 PM
Mazing! I can't beleive the asgard named a ship calss the daniel jackson. Loved the twist. Wonder what the name is.
The Daniel Jackson was the name of the ship, not the class of ships.

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:06 PM
Such good stuff to come! More Baal. Humaniod Replicators including Repli-sam. A Goa'uld ally (even if he's not completely willing). General O'Neill (oh, yeah!) and Lt. Col. Carter. I'm looking forward to this season big time.

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 07:06 PM
Mazing! I can't beleive the asgard named a ship calss the daniel jackson. Loved the twist. Wonder what the name is.


That was also really cool! I wonder if all of SG-1 will get a ship named after them?

DownFallAngel
July 9th, 2004, 07:07 PM
Oh...thought it was for the class, like the O'Niell. Guess not. Still a badass episode.

Elwe Singollo
July 9th, 2004, 07:07 PM
Loved all of the second part, i liked so many parts of it, the parts with fake Pete, the beginning, the end, so many words to describe the premiere :) And oh yes, we have had a lot of Thor in this episode, thats always a treat :)

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:08 PM
It was really good how Sam was adamant that she would NEVER be happy on a farm. That's too divorced from her reality.

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:09 PM
Ugh. She's an astrophysicist. Not a farmer. <g>

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:11 PM
At least Fifth was able to make himself a Repli-Sam. Hopefully for his sake, she'll be more inclined to love him.

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:13 PM
Fifth has become cooler than Baal.

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:14 PM
I don't know, Baal is a snappier dresser...and as far as cold, calculating cruelty - Baal still has the edge.

Chevron 1
July 9th, 2004, 07:14 PM
When I saw that super weapon that Jack made in action, I yelled, "I've got to get me one of those!"

I also liked Jack asking Teal'c about the hair, which we never got a straight answer to.

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:15 PM
Nah, Fifth has the cooler ship.

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:15 PM
It was the same thing as the blonde chin caterpiller - we never got an answer to that one either!

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:16 PM
Okay, I'll give you the cooler ship. Although, the ability to adjust gravity that Baal had was pretty cool too.

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:16 PM
It was the same thing as the blonde chin caterpiller - we never got an answer to that one either!
huh?

SpACatta
July 9th, 2004, 07:16 PM
Oh...thought it was for the class, like the O'Niell. Guess not. Still a badass episode.

Err, sorry to burst your bubble for a second time, but... the O'Neill was a ship as well - not a class of ships.

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:17 PM
huh?
Referring to Chevy's post about Teal'c's hair and Jack's question...

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:17 PM
We simply refer to it as O'neill class, because we've never been given a better name.

Elwe Singollo
July 9th, 2004, 07:18 PM
I don't know, Baal is a snappier dresser...and as far as cold, calculating cruelty - Baal still has the edge.I like Baal, but i like Fifth, hes now tons more evil, well to my eyes that is :) Haha... And i'm judging on evilness, haha...

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 07:19 PM
Nah, Fifth has the cooler ship.

I have to agree with you there. The replicator ship has a great look to it! Very nice! I need a model of that to hang over my computer at work....

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:19 PM
Miguel - new avatar? I like!

Okay, maybe Baal and Fifth are on a par with cruelty?

Elwe Singollo
July 9th, 2004, 07:20 PM
Yes, it is new, haha... But anyways, yah, i guess, both did some cruel torture to two out of the four SG1 members :)

SpACatta
July 9th, 2004, 07:21 PM
We simply refer to it as O'neill class, because we've never been given a better name.

No, we don't...

Thor specifically referred to the ship as being named "The O'Neill", and there was that brief moment of comical sadness when "The O'Neill" was blown up. Were it an entire class of ships, many more would have been built, seeing as how it belonged to one of their most powerful (or it was the most powerful) classes of ships.

Anyone have the exact quote where Thor introduces the ship as "The O'Neill"? I'm positive that it was expressed in a manner that confirms the name as a single ship.

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:21 PM
It doesn't matter. Fifth is cooler. End of Discussion.

I wonder what will happen to the gou'ald they are keeping.

shinyredpants
July 9th, 2004, 07:22 PM
heh heh...baal is waay cooler than fifth but anyway

that was awesome. it was all about thor >D

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:22 PM
No, we don't...

Thor specifically referred to the ship as being named "The O'Neill", and there was that brief moment of comical sadness when "The O'Neill" was blown up. Were it an entire class of ships, many more would have been built, seeing as how it belonged to one of their most powerful (or it was the most powerful) classes of ships.

Anyone have the exact quote where Thor introduces the ship as "The O'Neill"? I'm positive that it was expressed in a manner that confirms the name as a single ship.
No, I'm saying when we talk about it on here, I've always just seen it called the O'neill class because we don't feel like inventing a name.

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 07:23 PM
Miguel - new avatar? I like!

Okay, maybe Baal and Fifth are on a par with cruelty?

Naw...Fifth is crazymean as all get out, but in a fair fight, Ba'al could take him.

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:24 PM
It doesn't matter. Fifth is cooler. End of Discussion.
hehehe - okay, so that's one man's opinion. Fifth is too young...cruelty and coolness takes time to mature!

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:24 PM
But a fair fight would never happen. So inevitably, Fifth wins....

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:25 PM
Fair fight? You're kidding right?

ShadowMaat
July 9th, 2004, 07:26 PM
Much as it truly pains me to admit... the ep wasn't bad. Nice to know the writers can still pull off a good ep once in a while. ;)

Of course, the ep was also overwhelmingly, vomit-inducingly shippy to the point where I wanted to scream and put my fist through the TV, but that vile, irritating, horribly nasty Takes Away From My Enjoyment of the Show With Its Stupid Nasty Pointless Stupid Vomitous Ship stuff aside, the actiony and plot elements were good.

I want an Amaterasu av. :D

DownFallAngel
July 9th, 2004, 07:28 PM
1. Is fifth the only humanoid replicator left, and is he leading the replicators, amking him assume the position of 1?

2. The replicator colony ship reminds me of the thoudanth jupiter from zeta gundam.

3. O'Niell Class/DJ Class, who cares, they both are still badass to the max.

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 07:28 PM
But a fair fight would never happen. So inevitably, Fifth wins....

Sorry, but no. Ba'al has centuries of fighting dirty. Fifth is just beginning to learn to be cruel. He let his feelings for Carter stop him from toturing her. He's soft. :p

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:28 PM
Oddly, I didn't find it shippy. I usually pick up on ship pretty well, but this one wasn't like that (for me at least).

Ancient
July 9th, 2004, 07:28 PM
This episode is mad crazy so does this mean after the asgard rebuild that they will help to fight the gouald( spelling) like they promised they would earlier (after they defeated the replicators)

Thor's Bodyguard
July 9th, 2004, 07:28 PM
O'neill rocks with big guns.

"Who's your daddy!"

LavisBlade
July 9th, 2004, 07:28 PM
Jackson: So we would be looking for a needle in a hay stack?

Thor: A hay stack of infinate size.
------------

'Jack picks up the huge funny looking gun and zaps the relicator-human'

Jack: WHAT? I had to do something.
------------

'As Teal'c, Jack, and Daniel fight the replicators'

Jack: Whos your daddy! Zap! Zap!

I did not like Weir for the first few minutes of watching her "act" but soon I did'nt pay much attention and I began to enjoy watching her. Now all I have to do is see her fight some Wraith.

I really thought the Asgard were goners for a few minutes there :rolleyes:

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:29 PM
1. Is fifth the only humanoid replicator left, and is he leading the replicators, amking him assume the position of 1?
How about Repli-Sam? She's a humaniod replicator.

ShadowMaat
July 9th, 2004, 07:29 PM
Oddly, I didn't find it shippy. I usually pick up on ship pretty well, but this one wasn't like that (for me at least).
Yes, but I've been pushed so far past the point of toleration that I can't stand anything even remotely construeable as shippy. I have the urge to break out in hives at the very thought of it...

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 07:30 PM
3. O'Niell Class/DJ Class, who cares, they both are still badass to the max.

This is a true statement. Those are both serious ships, although the DJ is much prettier.

DownFallAngel
July 9th, 2004, 07:31 PM
He should take on the name Alpha, and she should be Beta.

DJ reminds me of the Defiant Class (ST: DS9) for some reason.

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:31 PM
There has to be a little shippiness every now and then. Just enough to taunt some, and bug others.


However, It left me content.

Elwe Singollo
July 9th, 2004, 07:32 PM
Since Fifth escaped, but the Asgard have retrieved new ways of dealing with them that actually works, i think that the Asgard will have an easier time helping out, even if the replicators that have escaped are still out there somewhere.

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 07:32 PM
O'neill rocks with big guns.

"Who's your daddy!"

Trust O'Neill to come up with a big honkin' gun.

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:32 PM
He should take on the name Alpha, and she should be Beta.
That doesn't sound too good to me at least. Fifth is more distinctive.

shinyredpants
July 9th, 2004, 07:32 PM
i didnt think it was all that shippy either...i mean...it had fifth having the hots for sam, but thats not really shippyness as opposed to guy obsessing chick who shafted him and getting back at her despite being in love with her *thus showing how insane he is, as replicators and humans cant get freaky*

well...they probably could, but it just wouldnt be the same =P

Elwe Singollo
July 9th, 2004, 07:33 PM
Yes, but I've been pushed so far past the point of toleration that I can't stand anything even remotely construeable as shippy. I have the urge to break out in hives at the very thought of it...Yah i noticed your little 'ahh', haha, cause i as well didn't see as much shippy scenes, but i understand your feelings:) Well, maybe not, since i have no problem with ship scenes :) Haha...

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:33 PM
For years I've been stickin it to the man

Now I am the man....

someone fix that quote if I did it wrong....The TiVo is all the way upstairs.

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 07:34 PM
Oddly, I didn't find it shippy. I usually pick up on ship pretty well, but this one wasn't like that (for me at least).

I din't pick up on any ship either, although Teal'c and Carter....naw. Just friends.

DownFallAngel
July 9th, 2004, 07:34 PM
Mio I think thats right.

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:35 PM
Being able to do whatever he wants (within reason) must have been a pretty big PRO for O'Neill...

ShadowMaat
July 9th, 2004, 07:36 PM
It was all of Sam's moopy whining at the beginning about "Jack" this and "Jack" that and "Oh, I'm so worried!" And then the dippy looks she gave him on the Asgard planet. The others were worried about Jack but managed not to be so... blatant about it and... I dunno, it just sat wrong with me. Obviously. ;) And if you say "Well, but Sam's a GIRL! Of course she's gonna show more emotion about it!" I swear I will find a way to do violent and biologically impossible things to you... :P

DownFallAngel
July 9th, 2004, 07:37 PM
I like Teal'c's and Sam's convo in the cargo ship. I laughed through the whole thing.

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 07:38 PM
Being able to do whatever he wants (within reason) must have been a pretty big PRO for O'Neill...

Carter jumped in pretty quicky to add, "Within reason, sir." That cracked me up!

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:39 PM
I swear I will find a way to do violent and biologically impossible things to you... :P
Yeah, I just BET you would, too! Nothing in the world says that there is any kind of rule that just because an individual's reproductive organs are on the INSIDE means that they have to be more emotional.

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:39 PM
It was all of Sam's moopy whining at the beginning about "Jack" this and "Jack" that and "Oh, I'm so worried!" And then the dippy looks she gave him on the Asgard planet. The others were worried about Jack but managed not to be so... blatant about it and... I dunno, it just sat wrong with me. Obviously. ;) And if you say "Well, but Sam's a GIRL! Of course she's gonna show more emotion about it!" I swear I will find a way to do violent and biologically impossible things to you... :P
<starts to say it, but stops>

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:41 PM
<starts to say it, but stops>
Good move Mio ;)

LavisBlade
July 9th, 2004, 07:42 PM
Is it just me or does Fifth remind you guys of that crazy advanced terminator from Terminator 2? I mean with the fingers that turn into liquid steel and all...

ShadowMaat
July 9th, 2004, 07:43 PM
ANYWAY... As I was saying, the rest of it was pretty good. Don't trust the Celtic Calamity much, but he should be an interesting addition to things.

What happened to Amaterasu's First Prime? They all brought along a buddy, didn't they? But I Only remember seeing Yu, Speaker Boy and Amaterasu leaving through the gate...

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Terminator 3, you mean? I can't remember anything about 2.

Anyway.

Who else wants to go out and buy a chia-teal'c?

Ancient
July 9th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Is it just me or does Fifth remind you guys of that crazy advanced terminator from Terminator 2? I mean with the fingers that turn into liquid steel and all...

yes that is exactly what i thought when I sawit I was like wooow that looks familiar

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Only Yu brought along a buddy.

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:45 PM
Calumas (or whatever - I'll have to look at the captioning) didn't appear to have a prime either.

DownFallAngel
July 9th, 2004, 07:45 PM
The T-1000, with liquid metal skin. And yes the humanoid replicators reminded me of him, with the repair features they had.

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:46 PM
We need some of this Neutronium stuff....

shinyredpants
July 9th, 2004, 07:46 PM
i dunno...i tend to get a bit more emotional when its close to that time of...

er...anyway i guess i could see a little bit more giddyness in sam for jack than if anyone else had gone through the same thing...

but ehh...i was too enthralled with thor to really care!

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:47 PM
It looks like they finally got some new exterior shots of Cheyenne Mountain.

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 07:47 PM
Ok...I'm going to go watch it again and nitpick. I'll be back in an hour and a half.

P90
July 9th, 2004, 07:48 PM
I can already tell this season is going to be one of the best. I cannot wait to see the Repli-lator* more this season.


*Replicator Annihilator

ShadowMaat
July 9th, 2004, 07:48 PM
Is it just me or does Fifth remind you guys of that crazy advanced terminator from Terminator 2? I mean with the fingers that turn into liquid steel and all...
Actually, he reminded me of Elroy-EL from Space: Above & Beyond. In mannerisms, anyway. Fifth had the capacity to be well and truly evil, but threw it all away for love. *sigh*

As for the First Primes... huh... starvation must have been doubling my vision. I thought there were a few others with the System Lords. It was right after I thought, "Huh, how come they let YU bring a buddy when they themselves aren't?"

Elwe Singollo
July 9th, 2004, 07:49 PM
I like Teal'c's and Sam's convo in the cargo ship. I laughed through the whole thing.Yah, sam was all asking him about Ishta, Rya'c, Bra'tac, it was funny, then Teal'c asked about Pete, very entertaining scene. Is this the first time we hear that Teal'c likes turkey (i think it was turkey) sandwiches?

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 07:49 PM
It looks like they finally got some new exterior shots of Cheyenne Mountain.

But some of the old favorites are still around, like the guard holding the gun behind his back as he crosses in front of the entrance. I had to laugh when I saw that one.

DownFallAngel
July 9th, 2004, 07:50 PM
Yep. He likes Turkey and Star Wars, and dounuts.

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 07:51 PM
Yah, sam was all asking him about Ishta, Rya'c, Bra'tac, it was funny, then Teal'c asked about Pete, very entertaining scene. Is this the first time we hear that Teal'c likes turkey (i think it was turkey) sandwiches?

O'Neill handed him a turkey sandwich in "The Other Guys."

Elwe Singollo
July 9th, 2004, 07:51 PM
And i suppose he likes his new hair as well :) Haha...

Nolamom
July 9th, 2004, 07:51 PM
Is this the first time we hear that Teal'c likes turkey (i think it was turkey) sandwiches?
No, in The Other Guys Teal'c and Jack were going to have turkey for lunch.

keshou
July 9th, 2004, 07:52 PM
I thought this two-parter was a nice way to open up the season. The characters were all utilized well and that's always a plus! The negotiating with the Goa'uld got a little tedious at times but I enjoyed meeting the new system lords and it's quite nice that we got to keep one. :) Torri Higginson settled into the role of Dr. Weir pretty well although I think I actually *liked* Jessica Steen a little better. I did enjoy it when Dr. Weir demanded all of Ba'als territory. :)

Love Thor and the Asgard and the whole replicator/Fifth storyline was my favorite. AT was great in the torture scenes, and Fifth was very creepy. I also really enjoyed Sam and Teal'c scenes together since we don't get to see them interact much. Teal'c, Daniel and Jack also had some nice interaction on the ship with Thor. Jack waking up and asking Teal'c "what's with the hair?" was great!

I loved the effects for the replicator ships. Good job, sfx guys. :cool: (In contrast I thought Jack's big ancient gun looked like a five and dime ray gun with a mini satellite dish stuck on the end. But hey, it did the job! )

So Jack's "the man" now, with a desk. Poor guy, it's going to be quite a change for him. There were some nice character moments as he talked things over with the team. Very SG-1. The promotion scene was heartwarming, then the cut to the rather chilling "birth" of RepSam -- great way to end the show.

All in all, if they can keep up the pace with Ba'al taking a central role as the new big, bad Goa'uld and the additional threat of the replicators in the human form of Fifth, RepSam, etc., I think this could be a very interesting season. :)

And hey, I liked Teal'c with hair much more than I thought I would!

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 07:52 PM
Yep. He likes Turkey and Star Wars, and dounuts.
...and hats.

Don't forget hats.

DownFallAngel
July 9th, 2004, 07:54 PM
I thought he only wore hats to hide the little gold snke thingy?

shinyredpants
July 9th, 2004, 07:54 PM
is it just me or did i hear teal'c go "indeed...or something"?

Elwe Singollo
July 9th, 2004, 07:54 PM
You know what i really liked about this episode, plus part 1, we had more than one problem at the time to deal with, Baal, negotiations, Replicators, getting Jack back, etc.

DownFallAngel
July 9th, 2004, 07:54 PM
is it just me or did i hear teal'c go "indeed...or something"?

Yes, he did. It was on Thor's ship in Part 1 wasn't it?

shinyredpants
July 9th, 2004, 07:55 PM
I thought he only wore hats to hide the little gold snke thingy?
well thats probably the intent originally but i guess he grew to love hats?

who wouldnt love hats?

OzGirl
July 9th, 2004, 07:55 PM
Is this the first time we hear that Teal'c likes turkey (i think it was turkey) sandwiches?

I don't think so. Didn't Jack offer Teal'c his favorite sandwich on some other
planet, like maybe in "The Other Guys"? I can't recall the episode.
Anyway, we found out then that it was turkey.

(OK, I see that others have already confirmed it was "The Other Guys."
At least my old brain hasn't lost all its memory...)

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 08:01 PM
well thats probably the intent originally but i guess he grew to love hats?

who wouldnt love hats?

I love hats.

OzGirl
July 9th, 2004, 08:10 PM
Did anybody notice that the Thor puppet seemed a little wobbly?

It seemed to me that whatever method they used to hold him up
cause him to move a bit more than I was used to seeing in previous
seasons. It got to be a bit distracting. He was always trembling
just a bit whenever he talked.

Did you see that?

Elwe Singollo
July 9th, 2004, 08:11 PM
I didn't see the thor puppet wobble or anything, but thats just me, haha... His walking seemed perfect 'asgard' walking to me :)

SpACatta
July 9th, 2004, 08:20 PM
I can already tell this season is going to be one of the best. I cannot wait to see the Repli-lator* more this season.

*Replicator Annihilator


"Replilator", were it actually a real word, would actually mean "Repli carrier"...

The lator part comes from the fourth principle part of the verb fero, ferre, tuli, latus, which means "to bear/carry".

So, there isn't anyway you could get "Replicator annihilator" from the definition of the imaginary "replilator".

Sorry, bud.

ShadowMaat
July 9th, 2004, 08:22 PM
OK, so if the other system lords didn't bring anyone with them, how come Yu was allowed to?

Sela
July 9th, 2004, 08:27 PM
"Replilator", were it actually a real word, would actually mean "Repli carrier"...

The lator part comes from the fourth principle part of the verb fero, ferre, tuli, latus, which means "to bear/carry".

So, there isn't anyway you could get "Replicator annihilator" from the definition of the imaginary "replilator".

Sorry, bud.

...in her best weary Jack- getting-too-much-information-voice " Catta..."

ShadowMaat
July 9th, 2004, 08:29 PM
And another thing... in the scene where the SG team is dispersing after having brought back the system lords... was Ford among them? I don't know his looks well enough to recognize him with certainty, but something went "click" in my head...

taupecat
July 9th, 2004, 08:31 PM
Yep. He likes Turkey and Star Wars, and dounuts.

... and women doing battle in a ring of jello.

But he does not consume bovine lactose at any temperature (except maybe the Ben & Jerry's he wolfed down in Prometheus)...

sclairef99
July 9th, 2004, 08:33 PM
I don't know, Baal is a snappier dresser...and as far as cold, calculating cruelty - Baal still has the edge.
Baal has the evil look, how can you take 5th seriously as a 'bad ass' with that hair?

P90
July 9th, 2004, 08:56 PM
"Replilator", were it actually a real word, would actually mean "Repli carrier"...

The lator part comes from the fourth principle part of the verb fero, ferre, tuli, latus, which means "to bear/carry".

So, there isn't anyway you could get "Replicator annihilator" from the definition of the imaginary "replilator".

Sorry, bud.

I'd like to prove this mathimaticly if I could...

(Replicator - cator) + (Annihilator - annihi) = Repli-lator

Notice the hyphen.

And now for something completely different...I loved the interaction between Thor, Teal'c, Daniel, and O'Neill on the DJ.

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 08:59 PM
I just caught something.

The japaneese system lord made some comment about us being unable to 'maintain' the Ancient weapon....when she knows, and she knows that we know, that Ancient tech is always designed to last millions of years without being serviced.

What a stupid comment.

Adamixoye
July 9th, 2004, 08:59 PM
And now for something completely different...I loved the interaction between Thor, Teal'c, Daniel, and O'Neill on the DJ.
I agree. I loved the various combinations of team characters and their interactions in this one.

Camulus' role will be interesting.

Chevron 1
July 9th, 2004, 09:00 PM
But he does not consume bovine lactose at any temperature (except maybe the Ben & Jerry's he wolfed down in Prometheus)...

Excuse me? Type again?

(Sorry, but I don't think I caught that episode yet.)

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 09:05 PM
The Changeling:
"Why don't you try a glass of warm milk"
Teal'c: "I prefer not to consume bovine lactose at any temperature."

I'm pretty sure Tuvok on ST: Voy made the exact same comment to Neelix.

taupecat
July 9th, 2004, 09:05 PM
Just 'cause gripes last with me a little longer than good stuff, I've got a couple of 'em about "New Order"....

1) What was with the tank tops on Sam and Teal'c? Okay, they looked good on them, but they didn't seem very professional. Certainly not very Air Force looking.

2) It seemed at times that the humor was a little TOO self-depricating, especially Daniel in the first part. After a while it mellowed out a little.

3) ShadowMaat has said there was too much ship, but I found the exact opposite. When hologram Jack is talking to Daniel, Teal'c and Thor, not a mention that Sam might be dead, and certainly no emotion from it. Same was true when he woke up and didn't remember anything. Seemed odd. Although Teal'c reaction when he first realized she might be dead was really touching.

4) Daniel has an excuse for not knowing that guns don't do squat on the humanoid replicators; he wasn't there. But Jack and Teal'c should have known better.

5) Sam seemed a bit out of character the whole ep. In the cargo ship with Teal'c, crying after Fifth's torture, and all shaky during the promotion. Something just didn't sit right with me.

6) Was Thor's voice a bit different, or am I just crazy (or both)?


Don't get me wrong, I really liked this ep. But these are things that just stood out at me.

Okay, some positive points...

1) Liked the new opening credits. Subtle changes, yet, but adding the Antarctica dogfight was nice.

2) Jack when interfaced with the Asgard ship. Even as a hologram, he's still got it!

3) The repli-sam. Hopefully they won't drop that storyline into plot hole hell. It's just too juicy.

4) The whole "what's with the hair" bit. Priceless.

I'll have more later...

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 09:06 PM
Thor didn't seem as tired. He could have been drinking asgard coffee....

P90
July 9th, 2004, 09:07 PM
I just caught something.

The japaneese system lord made some comment about us being unable to 'maintain' the Ancient weapon....when she knows, and she knows that we know, that Ancient tech is always designed to last millions of years without being serviced.

What a stupid comment.

Well even though it is supposed to last it seems that a couple millinia under the ice could have done some damage. And what about Atlantis? From the lowdown it indicated that two of the three ZPM's were drained and the third was close to going. The Goa'uld are scavengers too so they might have a little more experience with trying to salvage any Ancient technology.


I agree. I loved the various combinations of team characters and their interactions in this one.

Camulus' role will be interesting.

I know he's making at least one more appearence this season, but does anyone know if he'll be a popping up or just going back to Andromeda?

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 09:08 PM
Well even though it is supposed to last it seems that a couple millinia under the ice could have done some damage. And what about Atlantis? From the lowdown it indicated that two of the three ZPM's were drained and the third was close to going. The Goa'uld are scavengers too so they might have a little more experience with trying to salvage any Ancient technology.

Something tells me that the gou'ald have never seen a ZPM....

P90
July 9th, 2004, 09:10 PM
Something tells me that the gou'ald have never seen a ZPM....

True. :D

Elwe Singollo
July 9th, 2004, 09:11 PM
I just caught something.

The japaneese system lord made some comment about us being unable to 'maintain' the Ancient weapon....when she knows, and she knows that we know, that Ancient tech is always designed to last millions of years without being serviced.

What a stupid comment.I'm not sure if my comment will actually mean anything, because i'm not sure it may not make sense ;) But i think Ama (Japanese System Lord short name:)) was trying to say that maybe its currently inoperatable at the moment, so a 'simple servicing' would be something like recharching the battery, haah...

ShadowMaat
July 9th, 2004, 09:16 PM
3) ShadowMaat has said there was too much ship, but I found the exact opposite. When hologram Jack is talking to Daniel, Teal'c and Thor, not a mention that Sam might be dead, and certainly no emotion from it. Same was true when he woke up and didn't remember anything. Seemed odd. Although Teal'c reaction when he first realized she might be dead was really touching.
The reactions in general were a little off to me. The news that Sam might be dead, the news that Jack was alive, etc. Reaction shots needed some work. ;)




4) Daniel has an excuse for not knowing that guns don't do squat on the humanoid replicators; he wasn't there. But Jack and Teal'c should have known better.
Knowing that something won't work generally doesn't stop them from trying anyway. ;)




5) Sam seemed a bit out of character the whole ep. In the cargo ship with Teal'c, crying after Fifth's torture, and all shaky during the promotion. Something just didn't sit right with me.
She was weirdly ebullient in the cargo ship, although the crying from torture thing didn't bother me. The dippy grinning up at Jack DID bother me, especially as the camera really hung on to that shot for a while.




6) Was Thor's voice a bit different, or am I just crazy (or both)?
THANK YOU!! Yes, I thought so, too. I actually wondered if it was really Thor at first. Even after Sam said, "Thor..."

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 09:16 PM
I'm not sure if my comment will actually mean anything, because i'm not sure it may not make sense ;) But i think Ama (Japanese System Lord short name:)) was trying to say that maybe its currently inoperatable at the moment, so a 'simple servicing' would be something like recharching the battery, haah... No ancient tech the gou'ald have encountered (to our knowledge) has required a new set of batteries. Ever.

Elwe Singollo
July 9th, 2004, 09:19 PM
No ancient tech the gou'ald have encountered (to our knowledge) has required a new set of batteries. Ever.Although they didn't mention that it didn't need batteries or not, didn't they mention it wasn't working at the moment for some reason, i have to rewatch to make sure :)

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 09:25 PM
We also learned that the Ancients are even more advanced than previously thought.

The asgard extracted a repository of knowledge as long ago as Thor can remember, and they haven't even scratched the surface of the knowledge yet?!

WOW!

The asgard are....dumb in comparison to someone! :eek:

Adamixoye
July 9th, 2004, 09:28 PM
The reactions in general were a little off to me. The news that Sam might be dead
I wondered about it at first, but Teal'c and Daniel had an appropriate reaction considering the circumstances. Jack maybe not as much, but still...there were in the middle of a war situation, and they didn't know for sure she was dead...they were probably going to react later.


She was weirdly ebullient in the cargo ship
I agree. I felt like that there was a lot of AT coming through in that scene, but she was okay the rest of the time.


THANK YOU!! Yes, I thought so, too. I actually wondered if it was really Thor at first. Even after Sam said, "Thor..."
I noticed nothing. Did you all see MS do the voice on the Lowdown? Hilarious.

ShadowMaat
July 9th, 2004, 09:31 PM
I noticed nothing. Did you all see MS do the voice on the Lowdown? Hilarious.
It was only sometimes. Other times he sounded right, but at certain points... it was like they didn't do enough flanging on the voice or something. Granted, it's been a while since I've heard his voice, but my first thought was, "Ha! They've already been captured by the Replicators and someone is mimicking Thor's voice..."

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 09:32 PM
It was only sometimes. Other times he sounded right, but at certain points... it was like they didn't do enough flanging on the voice or something. The first time we see Thor, and Thor says 'Greetings', I believe it was, is the most noticable......Lemme try and grab a clip...brb....

keshou
July 9th, 2004, 09:33 PM
1) What was with the tank tops on Sam and Teal'c? Okay, they looked good on them, but they didn't seem very professional. Certainly not very Air Force looking.
Yeah I noticed that too but I guess I just chalk it up to Scifi's influence.


3) ShadowMaat has said there was too much ship, but I found the exact opposite. When hologram Jack is talking to Daniel, Teal'c and Thor, not a mention that Sam might be dead, and certainly no emotion from it. Same was true when he woke up and didn't remember anything. Seemed odd. Although Teal'c reaction when he first realized she might be dead was really touching.
I thought the same thing. It's like they went overboard the opposite direction with Jack being too blase. Why can't Jack just *care* about all his team members without CARING about all his team members (if you know what I mean). At times in New Order he acted like they might have lost a valuable military asset, rather than, at the very least, a close friend. I'm no S/J shipper but it seemed a little weird.


6) Was Thor's voice a bit different, or am I just crazy (or both)?
I thought Thor's voice sounded different last year in Fragile Balance. I think MS's voice is a little deeper now or maybe they're doing something different when they flange it (or whatever you call it).

Larry The Chevron Guy
July 9th, 2004, 09:34 PM
I thought this was one of the best episodes yet.

I just wonder how those boxes of Earth projectile weapons just conveniently happened to be right there on Thor's ship...

Elwe Singollo
July 9th, 2004, 09:37 PM
The weapons were most likely from their ship that was torn apart, which was transported along with Sam and Teal'c.

ShadowMaat
July 9th, 2004, 09:38 PM
I thought the same thing. It's like they went overboard the opposite direction with Jack being too blase.
Yes, well, Jack... that just hearkens back to the cold, distant b*stard he was the past couple seasons. Or that's how I read him, anyway. The threats/excuses to Thor about Sam... maybe it was genuine concern for a teammate (as opposed to Sam), but it came off a little lamely to me.

And, as someone mentioned, there was that bit about how Jack could only do things "within reason", with that knowing little smirk of Sam's... Bleah.

But as I've already said, I'm overly-sensitized to it.

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 09:39 PM
Sorry. The distortion on this damned laptop is too much to get an accurate recording.

Oooh, 500th post.

fifthmember
July 9th, 2004, 09:56 PM
Welcome! Hope you enjoy the trip as much as I do. You MUST join the official fan club and check GateWorld as often as possible. All the news is here! Tip: when a new season of dvd's is offered for sale, most retailers will offer special prices on prior sets. Happy gating.

fifthmember
July 9th, 2004, 10:22 PM
Season 8 seems to be off to a good start! My husband, who was pretty bumbed out with Season 7, actually enjoyed the opening episodes. I think the writers did a great job interweaving the Season 7 finale with the new direction for Season 8. I love Thor, it was good to re-visit those nasty Replicators, and the Goa'ulds are always fun.

While I enjoyed several of the comic lines, I do hope O'Neill shows his serious side as leader of the whole SGC facility. Richard Dean Anderson can handle it -- no doubt. Looking forward to Season 8!

Shipperahoy
July 9th, 2004, 10:56 PM
I for one really enjoyed this episode from start to finish. Pretty much every single thing about it. Great Teal'c and Sam interaction. Great Daniel/Jack interaction. Pretty much everyone had great interaction. Jack was the Jack of old again. Daniel was the Daniel I love. Thor, Thor, and more Thor. Did I mention that I love Thor? I feel much less qualms about Brigadier General O'Neill then I did prior to the episode. The scenes with Sam and Fifth were pretty wrenching and I thought that both the actors were amazing. I haven't felt this excited about a season in years. This is so different from how I felt after last year's premiere. I also feel less reservation about the quantity of earth bound episodes that there will be this season. I thought the stuff at the base with the System Lords was great. It might have something to do with the fact that Steve Bacic isn't at all hard on the eyes. I hope that they bring him back. I do wonder what exactly they're going to do with him. Keep him confined on base? I'm pysched for the Atlantis premiere but can't help feeling a little bugged that it's making me wait an extra week until my next new Stargate episode. Oh, and I'm loving Chris's hair. It makes him look younger IMO.

Anubis
July 9th, 2004, 11:08 PM
After reading all the posts, and wow there have been a lot I'm even more excited for the opener now. I can hardly wait any longer

the dancer of spaz
July 9th, 2004, 11:28 PM
Before this ep, I had my worries. But this has proved to me that Stargate SG-1 still rocks. Like in the previous thread, I was totally gung ho, but seriously... This premiere was very cool.

And, you know, it wasn't that shippy. It was team-y. I loved the team scene at the end. Very good. It's like setting the tone for the rest of the season. Team-y... Yeah...

I like Pete now. Oddly enough, I never DISLIKED him, but I really like him now, and this would seem like the LEAST likely ep for me to start. I like Fifth, and I like the Goa'uld, and I TOTALLY like Elizabeth Weir now. See the thread for Part One to see what else I said. It was just a really, really strong episode, IMO.

It had pretty much everything. Teal'c and Sam got their scenes. The guys got their scenes (which I always like, because, though I like Sam a lot, I like the warrior guy scenes. don't ask me why.). Daniel and Jack had their "moments." Thor (and all of his Michael Shanksy goodness) was there. Teal'c was very verbose, and I like his presence... he's always had great presence, but now, he seems very... present.

There was ample concern for each character, whether it was Jack or Sam. And I liked the scene between Sam and Weir. They really are more similar than I think the writers intended.

Phew... I'm going all over the place!

In short... It was nice. Very reminiscent (sp?) of the old days, and yet, very new, fresh, and different.

Me gusta. Keep it coming. I have more than hope... I have PASSION! :D

Rusty0918
July 9th, 2004, 11:28 PM
This two-hour opener is the best SG-1 season opener I've seen since "The Serpent's Lair," which dates back six years ago! My gosh has it been that long?

I'd very much like to see the new direction this show is going. I mean, this is an evolution, and things have changed.

It was an exciting episode all around. First we get the System Lords wanting HELP from Earth, which is something we've never seen before happen. Looks like Baal's back, big time, and like Anubis before him, he's also bugging the other System Lords. Weir was actually quite good in negotiating.

Oh and there's the Replicator crisis. We get apalled Fifth, and man is he angry!! Ugh! He was well portrayed. The interaction between SG-1 was well done. O'Neill saved not only the Earth but the Asgard, thanks to his knowledge! I liked that weapon that blew the replicators apart, even the human ones. It's good to see the Asgard have something to REALLY take the fight to the Replicators.

A Goa'uld on Earth now. This is also something new and totally unexpected. Might be interesting for future episodes!

I for one liked the promotions. It's nice to see some evolution of the show. I'd like to see how it goes. Although a nice appearance from Hammond would have been good.

That final scene with the Replicator copy of Carter, man that makes you shudder...

Anubis
July 9th, 2004, 11:31 PM
The best in all? OK, everyone is tormenting us UK spoiled people! lol

bcmilco
July 9th, 2004, 11:43 PM
Hey, Shadow sounds like you saw more ship in the episode(s) than I did :p :p

I love Thor. Thought this was a great episode for the Asgard, I really hope we get a couple more Asgard episodes.

I thought the team seemed a little casual about the whole 'Sam might be dead' and 'lets save Jack'. It just seemed a little off

I liked the old Wier better but the new one's not bad.

Overall I enjoyed the episode(s). :)

JDakkon
July 9th, 2004, 11:47 PM
A very good episode and a nice way to start the eighth season. I finally caught up with all of the messages and as far as the O'Neill situation when he was a hologram and did not seem to care as much for Sam, I have a theory on that:

When Jack finally woke up, he could not remember what happened to him. That speculates that he was mostly still under the influence of the Ancient knowledge to a point where he had no control of his subconscious which most likely affected how he felt with certain people.

Then again, I do not go too in depth with the episodes and find the smallest of flaws in the episode...pickers can't be choosers.

Other then that, I love the twist they had in the end with the Repli-Sam. Also I knew Jack was going to say something about Teal'c and the hair, I saw that coming.

Overall, great episode.

Anubis
July 9th, 2004, 11:48 PM
Asgard are great. I think we see them appear again in Covenant judging by the pictures

Elmseeker
July 10th, 2004, 12:31 AM
Oh...thought it was for the class, like the O'Niell. Guess not. Still a badass episode.

The O'Niell wasn't the name of a class of ships either it was the name of the first ship in it's class...

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 12:32 AM
I loved the O'Neill. Sahem it was blown up

STG-1
July 10th, 2004, 12:35 AM
I will agree that these first two episodes were good, but you would think that their military advisor was asleep again for some of it. First, all general offices have their rank (stars) centered on their lapels, not on the end like the lower ranks. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Second, the promotions were overdue. Jack had been a Col. (O-06) for over seven plus years. Most "real" officers stay at that rank for six years of less, or they are retired. Granted Jack did tick-off a lot of higher ups during these past seven years, but he should have been promoted to Brig. General as Major General Hammond's deputy several years ago. Especially since all organizational commanders have deputies, but Hammond had none.

And what is this about Jack being the new "Base Commander"? He is the new "organizational (SGC) commander". These are two different positions on any USAF base. A "Base Commander" is the "mayor" of the base, and is normally lower in rank than the base's primary organizational commander. He/she worries about the day-to-day operations of the base in general.

An organization commander is the "boss" of a functional organization (i.e. stargate operations, aircraft maintenance, security police, civil engineering, procurement), and they worry about the organization's "mission". Plus, on any given airbase you can have several organizational commanders, but only one is the overall/prime organization commander, which is what Jack now is (Commander - SGC). Someone else is the Base Commander of the "mountain". Another mess-up by the show's militray advisor.

Then as for Sam, she has been a Major for over five years, so her promotion should not have been a suprise to her. Because of her past many "world saving" efforts, she should have been on the fast-track for promotion for some time now.

And lastly, what's with the "repeat after me.." ceremony right after Jack pins on silver oak leaves on Sam? No one ever does that after a promotion. Its a totally different ceremony that one goes through when one enters a new office of responsibility, NOT rank.

random user
July 10th, 2004, 12:40 AM
Wow I really liked this episode. Enough so that I even decided to stop lurking (which I've been doing since season 6) and actually register.

The question about maintaining the weapon might have been a deliberate ploy to see if the humans were lying.

Was I the only one that was bugged that they didn't bother making two more of the replicator guns before heading down to the planet? I guess once could argue that they only need one, but what if they got seperated? Also why didn't Jack try to shoot at the ship before it left (or did he and I just missed it?) I suppose it might have just been too big and thus had too much "cohesion" to be affected by such a small ray.

Other than that, I really like this episode and I'm really excited for this season.

Thor's Bodyguard
July 10th, 2004, 12:48 AM
I loved the O'Neill. Sahem it was blown up
Well considering he saved the Asgard civilization again, maybe they will build another one.

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 12:48 AM
Lurking since season six? That's a while


Can't wait to download the episode this weekend. I can't resist!

Elmseeker
July 10th, 2004, 12:50 AM
Yeah, I just BET you would, too! Nothing in the world says that there is any kind of rule that just because an individual's reproductive organs are on the INSIDE means that they have to be more emotional.
Except, of course, for the hormones that flow through their bodies. It is a fact that women are moe emotional, outwardly at any rate, than men.

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 12:51 AM
Really? Strange stuff

Sicarius
July 10th, 2004, 01:49 AM
I definitely liked the episode over all, though I was a bit impatient in the first half waiting for them to unfreeze Jack.;) I loved his interaction with the ship. And the bit at the end where he's deciding whether to take the job or not.

I did groan inwardly when they beamed down to the Asgard planet and it looked just like Vancouver... I know, I know, it's a money thing, but come on, it's a whole different galaxy. You'd at least expect some purple trees or something. :D

Blue841
July 10th, 2004, 02:28 AM
Could someone do me a huge favour and email the best place to download the ep from please? [email protected] Thank You!

Kat

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 03:11 AM
I know of a website, PM me for details

Stncold
July 10th, 2004, 03:56 AM
First post in these here new forums since work has a habit of keeping me busy.

Well, I enjoyed this episode, you've got Thor and Teal'c interaction where its just them two, so seeing my two favorite characters interact alone was a great joy for me in itself.

You've got D/J bickering, something I always enjoy, even if its short.

Holo-Jack had me cracking up while I was eating, making it hard to swallow my food.

Some nice little S/T interaction going there when they were on the cargo ship and the DJ.

Anybody else feel that the Sam/Fifth shippers are gonna start popping up soon only to be double-teamed by the S/J's and S/P's.

One thing that caught my eye was the name of the one the new Asgard we met, Aegir.

I like to consider myself a Norse mythology buff which is why I really like the Asgard.

Aegir is the Norse god of the sea, he was basically feared and revered by sailors, because they believed offering sacrifices before a journey would grant safe passage, much like the Greeks did with Poseidon.

One thing that stands out is, one of the Aegir's most faithful servants, Fimafarg I think his name is, was murdered by Loki during a banquet that was held at Aegir's undersea hall.

We know that Loki is still out there, so I'm guessing theres some pretty bad blood between those two, and I have a feeling Loki is going to pop up again sooner or later, with an appearance by Aegir in that same episode, and something would happen betwen the two, just like the thing between Thor and Loki in Fragile Balance, except bigger.

If im correct I honestly can't wait to see how this plays out.

Elwe Singollo
July 10th, 2004, 05:01 AM
I definitely liked the episode over all, though I was a bit impatient in the first half waiting for them to unfreeze Jack.;) I loved his interaction with the ship. And the bit at the end where he's deciding whether to take the job or not.

I did groan inwardly when they beamed down to the Asgard planet and it looked just like Vancouver... I know, I know, it's a money thing, but come on, it's a whole different galaxy. You'd at least expect some purple trees or something. :DI know how you feel about the Vancouver thing, haha... I wouldn't expect purple trees though :D, haha...

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 05:05 AM
Purple trees? lol You guys crack me up

taupecat
July 10th, 2004, 05:07 AM
Anybody else feel that the Sam/Fifth shippers are gonna start popping up soon only to be double-teamed by the S/J's and S/P's.

Already happened. Check out the General Discussion board.

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 05:08 AM
Yes, General Discussion already has a thread about this!

ChevronSeven
July 10th, 2004, 05:17 AM
Humaniod Replicators including Repli-sam.

This is what I can't wait to see how and when they play this out.

Elwe Singollo
July 10th, 2004, 05:58 AM
Hopefully we don't have to wait for the season(series) finale to see what happens :(

Brianamarie
July 10th, 2004, 05:58 AM
I only got to see the 11pm showing, and I was half asleep when I watched it. I'm going to watch it again soon, though... being close to a 25" tv is better than being far from a 19". And hubby started snoring and missed some of it.

I can't really give any big impressions on it. I did startle the cat by laughing at Thor's reaction to the gun. I don't think I've ever seen him so surprised! I think Daniel's been around Jack too much, judging by his comments to Weir. :D And Teal'c is already starting to talk more. Whee!

Nolamom
July 10th, 2004, 06:44 AM
Except, of course, for the hormones that flow through their bodies. It is a fact that women are moe emotional, outwardly at any rate, than men.
Sorry, but that is purely social conditioning and has nothing to do with biology. Men are taught to "be strong" "boys don't cry" and all that BS. So, only because it's *okay* for a girl to show her emotions in our society does it APPEAR that women are more emotional.

Oh, and BTW, men have hormones coursing through their bodies constantly (all humans do!). Don't you remember your high school biology classes?

ShadowMaat
July 10th, 2004, 06:46 AM
I have a feeling that, depending on how TPTB decide to play this, Repli-Sam could be the most fearsome enemy SG-1 has ever faced. ;)

Nolamom
July 10th, 2004, 07:00 AM
Wow - isn't that the truth!?! Repli-Sam, with the smarts of Sam Carter and the near invulnerability of the Replicators and an emotional attachment to Fifth could be truly fearsome!

Token
July 10th, 2004, 07:04 AM
<snip>
And lastly, what's with the "repeat after me.." ceremony right after Jack pins on silver oak leaves on Sam? No one ever does that after a promotion. Its a totally different ceremony that one goes through when one enters a new office of responsibility, NOT rank.
Yeah, could someone please explain that to me as well? Did that happen when she was promoted to Major?

Ancient
July 10th, 2004, 07:06 AM
best part of the episode by far was the interaction with O'Neill and the ship
testing ,testing

lights on lights off lights on lights off that cracked me up god I have a feeling this season will surpass all my expectations

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 07:22 AM
Sounds like everyone enjoyed everything apart from everyone not in the US! lol

ShadowMaat
July 10th, 2004, 07:28 AM
Repli-Sam, with the smarts of Sam Carter and the near invulnerability of the Replicators and an emotional attachment to Fifth could be truly fearsome!
Oh, I dunno about that. I think Fifth might discover that Repli-Sam is just as impossible to control as the real thing. ;) Just because he created her to love him doesn't mean she will...

Ancient
July 10th, 2004, 07:31 AM
Oh, I dunno about that. I think Fifth might discover that Repli-Sam is just as impossible to control as the real thing. ;) Just because he created her to love him doesn't mean she will...

exactly

you can lead a horse to water but u cant make it drink, its a theme that is common in literature as well in Frankenstein the creature that the monster forces the good doctor to create as his mate does not fall in love with him, so we could see the same kind of thing where she rebels that would be amazing

Sela
July 10th, 2004, 07:44 AM
Before this ep, I had my worries. But this has proved to me that Stargate SG-1 still rocks. Like in the previous thread, I was totally gung ho, but seriously... This premiere was very cool.

And, you know, it wasn't that shippy. It was team-y. I loved the team scene at the end. Very good. It's like setting the tone for the rest of the season. Team-y... Yeah...



"Team-y" is exactly the right word for the feeling from the show last night. Nice, comfortable and team-y. Genuine emotion and feeling for the other members of the team and between friends but not in a 'shippy' way. Everything and everyone working together, just like it's suppose to. Loved it.

"Team -y." Very nice. Thanks for the new word, D of S. :)

Adamixoye
July 10th, 2004, 07:50 AM
"Team-y" is exactly the right word for the feeling from the show last night. Nice, comfortable and team-y.
But the team was only all in the same room at the end. This was what I was trying to point out when I sort of bashed the team concept a while back...I appreciated that there were several great interactions of the characters, all of them had a role to play, there was a good story, etc. It didn't matter to me that the team wasn't really together. "Team" just isn't important to me if there are good interactions between all the members in any various combinations.

As for Repli-Sam, I think it would actually be a little cliché if she wasn't in love with Fifth because Sam's personality was just "too strong" and "overrode" her programming. Sam is already a strong character; if Repli-Sam has different reactions coming from a different environment, that shouldn't threaten our view of Sam.

Sela
July 10th, 2004, 07:51 AM
I definitely liked the episode over all, though I was a bit impatient in the first half waiting for them to unfreeze Jack.;) I loved his interaction with the ship. And the bit at the end where he's deciding whether to take the job or not.

I did groan inwardly when they beamed down to the Asgard planet and it looked just like Vancouver... I know, I know, it's a money thing, but come on, it's a whole different galaxy. You'd at least expect some purple trees or something. :D

LOL!!! I thought the same thing about the Asgard planet. A purple tree, a blue bush....somethin' :D

Adamixoye
July 10th, 2004, 07:52 AM
Whoa, in another thread, someone suggested "RepliCarter" instead of RepliSam. Maybe someone said that already in this thread (I skipped a few pages), but "RepliCarter" is way better.

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 07:58 AM
I like both. I think they both have their good sayings

ShadowMaat
July 10th, 2004, 08:00 AM
Whoa, in another thread, someone suggested "RepliCarter" instead of RepliSam. Maybe someone said that already in this thread (I skipped a few pages), but "RepliCarter" is way better.
I'll call her whatever I feel like calling her. How 'bout FooFoo? :P

Dunno about the clichedness factor, but since SG generally seems to play up to cliches anyway, I don't see a conflict. :P I will say that if Repli-Sam (:P) is some wishy-washy little wisp of a thing cowering beside Big, Strong Fifth, I shall be disappointed and disgusted. No matter what her origins, she's still a reflection of Sam and I, for one, would like to see an echo of that in her.

Sela
July 10th, 2004, 08:02 AM
But the team was only all in the same room at the end. This was what I was trying to point out when I sort of bashed the team concept a while back...I appreciated that there were several great interactions of the characters, all of them had a role to play, there was a good story, etc. It didn't matter to me that the team wasn't really together. "Team" just isn't important to me if there are good interactions between all the members in any various combinations...

You don't have to have all the people on the team in the same room to have a since of teamwork. Indeed, everyone working towards the same goal woulkd have a sense of teamwork with others working towards the same goal even if they're not in the same physical area. The interactions between the team members, whether two or ten at a time, is what produces that 'team-y' feeling.

I'm sorry but that's just how I feel about it...what do you think? ;)

Adamixoye
July 10th, 2004, 08:03 AM
Just to check, everyone understands that RepliCarter is a pun, right? Replicator/RepliCarter? Flows off the tongue much better than RepliSam, and better indicates what she really is. You're right, you all have the right to call her whatever you want, in this case, the right to be wrong... :-)

taupecat
July 10th, 2004, 08:05 AM
More random stuff I loved about this ep... (just to prove I had more than just gripes about it)

1) Teal'c when he announced that he was aboard the Daniel Jackson. I was in hysterics. Although I have to admit by the lack of reaction on Daniel's part when he found out the name. It seemd cut a little quickly.

2) Daniel's comment to Weir about becoming a system lord. That was great, too.



Also, in kinda the "things you wish they said" theme, it would've been great for Jack to use the "what's with the hair" line on Weir. Of course, TPTB probably didn't want to draw attention to the different actress thing. It still would've been damn funny though. :-)

ShadowMaat
July 10th, 2004, 08:05 AM
Just to check, everyone understands that RepliCarter is a pun, right? Replicator/RepliCarter? Flows off the tongue much better than RepliSam, and better indicates what she really is. You're right, you all have the right to call her whatever you want, in this case, the right to be wrong... :-)
Give us some credit to be able to recognize a pun when we see one.

Makes me all the more inclined to stick with Repli-Sam. :P

Sela
July 10th, 2004, 08:09 AM
Whoa, in another thread, someone suggested "RepliCarter" instead of RepliSam. Maybe someone said that already in this thread (I skipped a few pages), but "RepliCarter" is way better.

"RepliCarter" - NICE! What a great name! Brings to mind all sorts of deliciously evil images.

Boy, I can't wait for the classic Carter and RepliCarter battle! That is going to be so very cool. If TPTB let the opportunity of two Carters fighting past them by, there's no hope for them.

Adamixoye
July 10th, 2004, 08:12 AM
I'm sorry but that's just how I feel about it...what do you think? ;)
If you do a search for "Ending the series: "Team" concept overrated" (or something like that) you'll see exactly what I think. I made an extensive post about it, and it went on for some time.

Maybe part of it is different definitions, but all in all, I just think the idea of "team" isn't a big deal. Breaking Stargate down into any one thing like "team" or "ship" or the lack thereof isn't correct. It's about stories and characters. That may or may not include team, ship, whatever.

I didn't look at this episode and think "boy that was great 'team'", I just thought, "that was a great episode". I personally would be disappointed if dangling storylines got cut short because TPTB felt the need to do a lot of "team" stuff to wrap up the series. I like the way SG-1 interacts with each other, and I think it is important, but it annoys me a little whenever there in an episode with good interactions and people jump on the "team" bandwagon. There have been great episodes with and without "team", and there have been good and mediocre episodes with "team".

Back on-topic, I'm glad that they finally moved the Replicator storyline along. We needed that closure. Now Thor & Co. can take care of their cloning problem.

Sela
July 10th, 2004, 08:14 AM
Also, in kinda the "things you wish they said" theme, it would've been great for Jack to use the "what's with the hair" line on Weir. Of course, TPTB probably didn't want to draw attention to the different actress thing. It still would've been damn funny though. :-)

That would have been funny. Or something along the lines of a frown and "I thought you were...taller." Or Weir talking to Jack like she's known him before and Jack frowing and then asking, "Who are you?" in his annoyed Jack sort of way. :)

Adamixoye
July 10th, 2004, 08:16 AM
Give us some credit to be able to recognize a pun when we see one.

Makes me all the more inclined to stick with Repli-Sam. :P I wasn't assuming anything, hence why I said, "Just to check..." Some people might just read it and not pronounce it in their head and therefore not notice it. I wasn't accusing anyone of subpar intelligence...

Chevron 1
July 10th, 2004, 08:17 AM
I will agree that these first two episodes were good, but you would think that their military advisor was asleep again for some of it. First, all general offices have their rank (stars) centered on their lapels, not on the end like the lower ranks.

Really? Does that happen for all the Armed Forces?

Thanks for pointing that out. (Although I'm sure that's a costuming detail. If you want to blame someone, blame them.)


Then as for Sam, she has been a Major for over five years, so her promotion should not have been a suprise to her. Because of her past many "world saving" efforts, she should have been on the fast-track for promotion for some time now.

Agreed. Promotions should've been doled out years ago. (I haven't even seen all the eps, since I'm catching up, and I know so.) Who knows? If they promoted O'Neill earlier, Carter could've made full Colonel by now.

Nevertheless, I'm sure the characters will wear the ranks well. It's time Sam took over for Jack as SG-1 commander, and Jack deserves some reward, although it may take some time for him to get used to being "the man".

And for the record, I still hate Stalker Pete, but love Elizabeth Weir 2.0, not that I didn't love Weir 1.0.

Mio
July 10th, 2004, 08:20 AM
LOL!!! I thought the same thing about the Asgard planet. A purple tree, a blue bush....somethin' :D
Red kiwifruit trees....

ShadowMaat
July 10th, 2004, 08:23 AM
With the Asgard being as... wispy as they are, I would have figured they'd prefer a planet with lighter gravity.

And yeah, would it have killed them to paint a couple of trees? ;)

Token
July 10th, 2004, 08:31 AM
I wasn't assuming anything, hence why I said, "Just to check..." Some people might just read it and not pronounce it in their head and therefore not notice it. I wasn't accusing anyone of subpar intelligence...
I don't consider myself of "subpar intelligence", and I'm glad you pointed that out. I hadn't pronounced it that way. Thanks.

ShadowMaat
July 10th, 2004, 08:34 AM
I just object to being told that I have to use a specific nickname because it is obviously "cooler" than any others.

If we can get away from the semantics discussion, though, does anyone know who provided the voices of the Asgard?

Sela
July 10th, 2004, 08:36 AM
Red kiwifruit trees....

There you go! :D

Skydiver
July 10th, 2004, 08:37 AM
i enjoyed it, even if it was a little rushed at the end

replicarter is mucho creepy and i'm looking forward to seeingher again

jack's antics upon waking were a scream. i loved the sam/teal'c moments and the teal'c/thor bits.

is it jsut me or do daniel and weir have a wee bit of chemistry going on?
not at the beginning, at the beginning he was rather rude and condescending, but once they started negotiating, they really got that 'silent communicaiton' thing going

sam's rescue, i woulda liked a bit more instead of 'gee, wake up and all is right with the world'

what fifth did had to leave a mark on her and it'd be good to see the fallout

Sela
July 10th, 2004, 08:41 AM
Going waaaay off topic but Skydiver, what in the world is your avatar? It looks like Lambchops in sunglasses....

Anthro Girl
July 10th, 2004, 08:46 AM
I'm actually sort of avoiding this thread because I've only made one pass at viewing New Order (with many pauses for annoying RL stuff). I'll check in again after I've taken another look, but...

My first impression: YAY! :D What fun! What a great ending/cliffhanger! Loved the scene of the team discussing Jack's promotion...that's classic!

ShadowMaat
July 10th, 2004, 08:46 AM
is it jsut me or do daniel and weir have a wee bit of chemistry going on?
I wondered about that, myself, but decided to ignore it because I really don't wanna go there. ;) Besides, if the pics from Rising are right, the "chemistry" could have been a little misdirection.

I definitely hope that Sam suffers from SOME fallout after what happened- maybe those nightmares that Hallucination Pete mentioned. Although traditionally, SG characters never seem to suffer from any fallout no matter WHAT kind of horrible things happen to them. Unless it's a relevant plot point, like in Fire & Water. :P

Adamixoye
July 10th, 2004, 08:59 AM
I just object to being told that I have to use a specific nickname because it is obviously "cooler" than any others.
I didn't tell you that you had to use it. That it is obviously cooler is only my opinion. It just so happens my opinion is right in this case.

...and, just in case you didn't catch it, that's called being tongue-in-cheek.

Elwe Singollo
July 10th, 2004, 09:01 AM
Oh, I dunno about that. I think Fifth might discover that Repli-Sam is just as impossible to control as the real thing. ;) Just because he created her to love him doesn't mean she will...Yah, the whole repli-sam thing about 'it maybe' impossible to control her like the real Sam, reminds me a little bit about the Buffy-bot from obviously Buffy the vampire slayer, haha... But anyway, it'll be crazy if Repli-Sam became 'renegade' -ish and parted away from Fifth, and make her own trouble, that would be interesting, well to me at least :)

ShadowMaat
July 10th, 2004, 09:04 AM
Another thing to keep in mind is that Fifth had, as the others said, a "design flaw". Just because he's creating his own humanoid replicators doesn't mean that he'll pass that flaw on to others...

Mio
July 10th, 2004, 09:08 AM
I wonder if we'll get any of Ba'al's territory...

who can see O'neill being a system lord? hehehe

Elwe Singollo
July 10th, 2004, 09:08 AM
Another thing to keep in mind is that Fifth had, as the others said, a "design flaw". Just because he's creating his own humanoid replicators doesn't mean that he'll pass that flaw on to others...Then that means, replicator sam will be like 90 percent like the regular sam, haha... Well maybe not 90 percent :rolleyes: I wonder if replicator sam will be more evil than fifth or any other bad guy, but maybe she won't be evil at all :eek:, now that would just be boring then :S...

Sela
July 10th, 2004, 09:11 AM
I wonder if we'll get any of Ba'al's territory...

who can see O'neill being a system lord? hehehe

Not so much O'Neill, but I do think Weir would make a great one! My respect for her went way up after she put that on the table! I really like this incarnation of Weir.

DetriusXii
July 10th, 2004, 09:52 AM
I'm usually a lurker but anyways, I liked the episode a lot.

a) As someone else mentioned previously, the Asgard finally get a weapon to protect them from Replicator threats. I'm asssuming the Prometheus will be upgraded aswell since the technology doesn't seem to have any other purpose than to destroy Replicators. Granted, the weapon was built by Ancient knowledge, but it didn't seem like an overpowered solution in dealing with the Replicators. I was worried that the writers wrote themselves into a hole by making the Replicators absorb all kinds of energy blasts and be able to construct other Replicators from anything, making them virtually impossible to deal with.

As for speculation of what will happen to the Replicators. It seems apparent that they're heading to the Milky Way. For future speculation though, maybe the Replicators will have to fight on the same terms as every other race in the universe when faced with the Ancient weapon and have to build androids and ships without using replicator blocks.

It would be cool if we had seen android Sam (from Season 1 and 4 provided Harlan has made another copy) and human Sam face off against Replicator Sam.

b) Could Camalus be the fourth SG1 member when Jack isn't around?

c) Baal is getting stronger and he's taken over Anubis supersoldiers. Has no Gould thought of solution that they could escape their need to control another host by melding with the supersoldier body? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but Anubis was using go'uld without any sentience or ego associated with the Go'uld. So what happens if a Tokra or Gould take use the supersoldier outfit instead of relying on human hosts? The Tokra could mass produce and the Gould probably would have no need of enslaving humans to ensure they have hosts. And since Gould can join Tokra forces (Malek from season 6 and mentioned in season 4 I believe) I'm going to conclude that this will be the positive resolution to the Tokra arc in the series where Gould and Tokra become their own distinct society without dependence on host species.

As an aside, can Tokra/Gould meld with animal lifeforms? The spider creature in season 5 was one instance and it would seem that they wouldn't have quite the moral problem of controlling a nonperson than by controlling a person.

d) How are the other races in the Milky Way going to deal with the Replicator threat. Granted, we don't care about the Aschen but the Asgard would likely share their Replicator technology with the Nox outpost, the Cerileans/ hybridians, the Xe'ls, and other benevolent advanced civilizations since they can't end up patrolling all of the Milky Way. I'm assuming the Crystal Skull aliens can defend for themselves though.

Chevron 1
July 10th, 2004, 09:55 AM
I might be shooting myself in the foot here, but do you think we'll see more Asgard ships in the future named after SG-1 (or even SGC) members?

I know The O'Neill and The Daniel Jackson are taken. What's next? The Samantha Carter?

(ducks, so as not to get zatted)

Elwe Singollo
July 10th, 2004, 09:57 AM
I might be shooting myself in the foot here, but do you think we'll see more Asgard ships in the future named after SG-1 (or even SGC) members?

I know The O'Neill and The Daniel Jackson are taken. What's next? The Samantha Carter?

(ducks, so as not to get zatted)Hehe, lets see 'The Samantha Carter', 'The Teal'c', haha, i just love how they named the ships after them :) Hehe, makes me think, 'The Hammond', haha...

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 10:00 AM
*off topic : i think it's some kind of mouse with fashionable clothes*

Scarym1
July 10th, 2004, 10:29 AM
Much as it truly pains me to admit... the ep wasn't bad. Nice to know the writers can still pull off a good ep once in a while. ;)

Of course, the ep was also overwhelmingly, vomit-inducingly shippy to the point where I wanted to scream and put my fist through the TV, but that vile, irritating, horribly nasty Takes Away From My Enjoyment of the Show With Its Stupid Nasty Pointless Stupid Vomitous Ship stuff aside, the actiony and plot elements were good.

I want an Amaterasu av. :D
So you don't like the "ship", eh? ;)


I thought it was great. I was glad that that "THE DANIEL JACKSON" didn't get destroyed like "THE JACK O'NIELL".

I think that it was the best season opener that we had in a few years. There was no underlining issues to complicate things. By this I mean that in S6 you had DJ gone and Jonas starting. In S7 you had DJ returning and Jonas leaving. This year you had none of that. I felt you had a great story that wasn't trying to do too much. It didn't feel forced or rushed. It was just a straight forward action packed ep.

Did anyone else find it amusing that on Thor's ship, thor said that (paraphasing here) Jack's mind was joining with "THE DANIEL JACKSON"? Subtexts? ;)

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 10:31 AM
Many say it was the best episode ever or best opener. Anticipating the return in UK...

Skydiver
July 10th, 2004, 10:39 AM
Going waaaay off topic but Skydiver, what in the world is your avatar? It looks like Lambchops in sunglasses....

it's hammy

as in
http://witwigh.sesaworuban.net/

don davis even signed him a couple of years ago

Mio
July 10th, 2004, 10:50 AM
Who else thought that Thor seemed more energetic?

Scarym1
July 10th, 2004, 10:55 AM
Oh, I dunno about that. I think Fifth might discover that Repli-Sam is just as impossible to control as the real thing. ;) Just because he created her to love him doesn't mean she will...
Now that sounds like a really cool idea!!!!

keshou
July 10th, 2004, 11:14 AM
is it jsut me or do daniel and weir have a wee bit of chemistry going on?
not at the beginning, at the beginning he was rather rude and condescending, but once they started negotiating, they really got that 'silent communicaiton' thing going
I probably saw more personal UST chemistry between Daniel and the Jessica Steen version of Weir than I did with the Torri version of Weir. I enjoyed Daniel's interaction with Weir in New Order -- especially some of the looks Daniel was giving her as Weir demanded Ba'al's territory -- but I didn't see anything really shippy. Which is good for Weir, cause if Daniel liked her she probably would have been snaked before she could leave for Atlantis. ;)

morjana
July 10th, 2004, 11:17 AM
The clips shown during Fifth's torture of Sam.

The two segments had different clips.

Note: It seemed to me that overlaying all the clips in the torture scene was an impression of fire, or flames.


FIRST TORTURE SCENE

Face of Chaka -- the original one from "First Ones"
A human eyeball -- probably Sam's
Face of Chaka again
What looked to me like Jack's face...at a skewed angle, from just below the eyebrow area down
The scene from "Fire and Water" of Daniel burning in fire
A scene of human skulls -- counted at least five
An interior view (looking outside) of the ruins of what looked like a church
A clip of Sam crying from the first remembered memory in "Jolinar's Memories" aboard the cargo ship



SECOND TORTURE SCENE

Jack's face -- same distorted view
The human eyeball
This is a hard to describe -- a multi-barked spike (black) with what looked black tendrils coming off of it -- can't think of anything we've ever seen like this on the show -- or what it could represent
A HONKIN' big spider -- probably a tarantula
A clip of Sam from "The Devil You Know" when the Blood of Sokar was being forced down her mouth
That HONKIN' big spider again
Oh, now this was interesting -- from "Abyss" -- Jack on Ba'al's gravity torture screen -- towards the end of the episode, when he's all done in
Clip of those human skulls again
Hmmm...a clip of what looked like another tendril, white, looked like a piece of ganglia
That clip of Sam from "The Devil You Know" again, only this time enlarged
From "Serpent's Venom," Teal'c being tortured with the pain stick
And the last clip -- also interesting -- of a window -- a sashed window -- night time outside the window -- possibly from sixth season's "Nightwalkers?"


Morjana

Shipperahoy
July 10th, 2004, 11:58 AM
Cool. Thanks Morjana. I find that really interesting. I do wonder how Fifth could access events that Sam wasn't even there for. Like Jack being tortured by Ba'al and Teal'c getting tortured with that pain stick. I'm glad that you took the time to write it out because I didn't catch any of the Stargate scenes.

Skydiver
July 10th, 2004, 12:31 PM
it looks to me like they 'chose' things that haunt her

the bug part is interesting, i've always wondered if sam has bug issues. every single time they've fought the reps, sam has stayed behind

the boys being tortured, it must be her concern for her friends

and i think a bit of her dealing (or not dealing) with all the people she's killed

Ancient
July 10th, 2004, 01:49 PM
the boys being tortured, it must be her concern for her friends

and i think a bit of her dealing (or not dealing) with all the people she's killed


I like that explanation , because they are so close as a family and alot of officers in the armed forces have trouble dealing with that aspect of their actions meaning the people they killed, that is very observant, I thought originally that it could be all the lovers or people she felt strongly for/cared for etc... taht had dided like narim, orlin, jonas, martouf, sam has had alot of death in her life between her line of work and her mom and her male counterparts very sad

Jo Raumo
July 10th, 2004, 02:11 PM
I'm posting my thoughts before reading the rest of the thread.

Thoughts on A New Order:

My first thoughts on this year’s opening is that it was the weakest of all the season openers we’ve seen. It was mostly filler and setup for next week’s Atlantis. While there were many interesting plot developments they seemed to be presented in such a way as to kill any suspense or tension in the actual episode being told. It seems that there is something about telling a concise and compelling story that is also part of a larger arc that the writers of Stargate still don’t quite understand.

As an example, there was a short scene towards the middle of the second hour where the Celtic Goa’uld asks Dr. Weir for asylum. It would have made a terrific teaser for an episode where Celtic Go’ould’s actions actually had some influence on the plot of the story being told. As it was, the scene served no purpose in this story and the impact of Celtic Goa’uld’s actions is blunted in whatever story they eventually write to pick up this plot thread.

The first half cut between the A story, Sam and Teal’c going to the replicator system to contact the Asgard for help with reviving O’Neill, and the B story, Daniel and Dr. Weir negotiating with the System Lords in the aftermath of Anubis’ destruction. The intercutting between the two stories was particularly frenetic and served no purpose other than to disguise the fact that nothing of much substance was going on in either plotline.

The second half concentrated on the revival of O’Neill by Thor, Sam’s hallucination of the simple life induced by Fifth and the rescue of the Asgard world from a replicator infestation. The pace picked up appreciable though the solutions were pretty simplistic and cursory. I didn’t mind so much for the revival of O’Neill, there was precious little drama in that plot point anyway. I doubt there was a viewer out there that really felt Jack was in any danger. The two second design and build of the anti-replicator ray gun gave me more of a problem and it seriously defused Fifth’s menace as a bad guy. I hope Fifth doesn’t miraculously show up with an anti-replicator ray gun shield the next time we see him.

I liked Sam’s sub-plot with Fifth. I’m no fan of Stalker Pete but if we have to have him back this was an entertaining and inoffensive way to do it. I’m also really intrigued with the idea of Replicator-Sam and Fifth being an ongoing enemy for our team.

I thought Dr. Weir came across as very sympathetic and I’m looking forward to Atlantis’ premier next week. The visual effects were spectacular especially Fifth's ship lifting off the planet. There were quite a few interesting ideas presented but the actual story was slow, fragmented and lacking in drama. Here’s hoping that the writing staff tightens up their story telling style.

Jo Raumo

Best Line from New Order:

Don’t... every joke, every pun ... done to death... seriously. – Daniel to Dr. Weir on Yu

shelsfc
July 10th, 2004, 03:28 PM
I do wonder how Fifth could access events that Sam wasn't even there for. Like Jack being tortured by Ba'al and Teal'c getting tortured with that pain stick.
I haven't seen the episode, but I have an idea about this - the other human-replicators would have had access to those memories in Unnatural Selection. Fifth said at one point that the others were merging with thier replicator brethern, or something along those lines. Assuming Fifth did this also, those memories could have been passed along to him.

ShadowMaat
July 10th, 2004, 03:48 PM
I haven't seen the episode, but I have an idea about this - the other human-replicators would have had access to those memories in Unnatural Selection. Fifth said at one point that the others were merging with thier replicator brethern, or something along those lines. Assuming Fifth did this also, those memories could have been passed along to him.
There's that, which I think is important to remember. There's also the fact that even though she didn't WITNESS them, she's probably IMAGINED them, so that could be a factor, too.

bcmilco
July 10th, 2004, 03:51 PM
First, all general offices have their rank (stars) centered on their lapels, not on the end like the lower ranks.

I thought it looked funny.



And lastly, what's with the "repeat after me.." ceremony right after Jack pins on silver oak leaves on Sam? No one ever does that after a promotion. Its a totally different ceremony that one goes through when one enters a new office of responsibility, NOT rank.

A new office, like becoming the leader of SG-1? It wasn't made clear, but that would be my guess.

AgentX
July 10th, 2004, 03:53 PM
After just finishing watch the premiere after 20+ hours of agony, I have to say that I am thrilled. I really enjoyed this episode, and didn't really notice Jack's absence.

I liked all the Dr. Weir and Daniel interaction, lots of good lines with my favourite being:
"and then...Game OVER....too dramatic?"

I liked the three Goa'uld delegates, most of all Ameratsu I hope we see more of her, and I least liked Camalus - he was just boring as all heck, I'm not sure I like the idea of Ba'al has the main enemy from the Goa'uld side, he was rather uninspiring in the past.

Teal'C and Sam interaction is something we should see more of. Teal'C is a character that I would like to hear him more from this season. That replicator ship looked like something out of Babylon 5 or Voyager's Year of Hell time ship, but was different enough to be interesting. Jack inside the Daniel Jackson's computer was great. "Testing...Testing" that looked like one weird weapon he constructed, but the end result was cool. I wanted to see more reaction from Daniel after learning he has a ship named after him.

The ending with the speeches and the promotions, yeah that was boring but it had to be done and after a great episode I can't hold those minutes against them...but there are things that I didn't like about "New Order" two of them actually.

The first being FarmerSam. It just wasn't believable and I think another way could have been found to show that Fifth loved Sam. Speaking of Fifth, I don't think I can hate him enough to really care about anything he does. He doesn't inspire any kind of feeling, and for me that isn't good in an antogonist.
The second item I didn't like was T2Replicators. Hey it was cool the first time in Judgement Day, but after seeing them get cleaned up a couple times it gets old.

In conclusion a very, very solid start to the season. I would put it right up there with The Serpent's Lair and Small Victories as far as premiere's go.

Stargate Agent
July 10th, 2004, 05:25 PM
I thought this was a great premiere, really got me excited about the season.

And how about Torri Higginson?? Damn can't wait to see her beautiful face in Atlantis. She actually made a good civilian leader.

The new Ancient weapon Jack designed was cool looking and finally the Asgard can battle the Replicators on their own now without asking earth to use our primitive weapons.

Having an Asgard ship named the "Daniel Jackson" was funny. It shows the Asgard really hold the humans in high regard.

I agree with AgentX that the Weir and Daniel interaction was good, probably because they are both technially civilians and both "Dr."



For as premieres of shows go this one was one of the best I have seen.

Lil Naitch
July 10th, 2004, 07:46 PM
Now that the Asgaurd have an edge against the Replicators, maybe they can lend a hand against Baal. Also, how about they help us perfect the hyperdrive and sheils/weapons systems on the X-302/ X-303?

Nolamom
July 10th, 2004, 08:04 PM
I know that Fluffy was in a sweat trying to help out his pal...
http://publish.hometown.aol.com/greatgmas/images/fluffy%20trying%20to%20help.gif

Mio
July 10th, 2004, 08:14 PM
Now that the Asgaurd have an edge against the Replicators, maybe they can lend a hand against Baal. Also, how about they help us perfect the hyperdrive and sheils/weapons systems on the X-302/ X-303?
Maybe they can tell us how to solve the naquadria problem with the X302!

greytop
July 10th, 2004, 08:30 PM
Now that the Asgaurd have an edge against the Replicators, maybe they can lend a hand against Baal. Also, how about they help us perfect the hyperdrive and sheils/weapons systems on the X-302/ X-303?
The Asgard have already help with the shields and weapons systems on the X-303. That was stated in the S6, in the ep Disclosure.

My favorite part is when Thor revives Jack and he asks Teal'c, "Teal'c, what's with the hair." He asks it twice and Teal's just grins. :) ;) :D

MadJaffa
July 10th, 2004, 09:00 PM
Oooh we got's us a Goa'uld now!

I like the Celts and their history so I enjoyed hearing about him. I want him to live the entire season, I like him. I also want to see some "Jaffa revenge" related to him.

I found it funny Thor corrected no one about his rank:

"I'm Supreme Commander Thor, but my friends call me Commander Thor."

I loved all the new ships we got to see, Replicator ship #1 and #2, the Daniel Jackson...

Now I want to see a rep Sam - Sam switch episode.

I hope Baal dies at the hands of Fifth, or the other way around, or Rep Sam could...*rambles*

It occured to me, will we give Jack's weapon to the Goa-uld? Or at least the System Lords? I mean the enemy of my enemy and all that.

MadJaffa
July 10th, 2004, 10:25 PM
Hehe, lets see 'The Samantha Carter', 'The Teal'c', haha, i just love how they named the ships after them :) Hehe, makes me think, 'The Hammond', haha...

In an episode with Hammond in control of the Prometheous:

'General Hammond, we have just recieved a message from... the Hammond?'

Beatrice Otter
July 10th, 2004, 11:01 PM
Except, of course, for the hormones that flow through their bodies. It is a fact that women are moe emotional, outwardly at any rate, than men.

Hum. I took a psych class a year ago, and one of the studies we looked at was aboutfemale hormones and outward emotionalism, as tied to the monthly cycle. They had women (and those around them) keep track of their emotions on a daily basis, and matched that up with where they were in their cycle. And found, to their surprise, that even for women who insisted that their cycle had a drastic effect on their emotions, when you looked at all the data, there was no general correlation between their monthly cycle (which is all hormonally governed) and their outward emotionalism. As to whether the mere presence of those hormones makes women inherently more emotional than men, well, I don't think there's any way to do a scientifically valid test of that given the differences between male and female social conditioning. I mean, it's ok for a girl to get emotional with her girlfriends. For a guy, in most cases, it's not. That has an affect on behavior, so determining how much is culture and how much is biology is probably impossible at this point.

And that's assuming that you can legitimately say that men generally are less outwardly emotional than women; even if that's true, you can't say that generalization applies to everybody. For example, my brother and my father are more outwardly emotional than either my Mom or I. So in my immediate family, that stereotype is reversed. Yes, I know many macho guys who don't show their feelings and plenty of women who wear their heart on their shoulder. But I also know many people who are exactly the opposite of that stereotype. I don't like generalizations. In my experience, they aren't very useful in dealing with real life, and are often counter-productive.

Chevron_nine
July 10th, 2004, 11:58 PM
This was an awesome episode. The replicator arc has always been one of my favs. Near the end I thought that huge replicator ship was actually a giant replicator bug. I was just waiting for it to get up. I thought Fifth was going to be killed and the arc ended. I was never so glad to see the enemy get away:). I was also kinda hoping to see some wooden replicators when they were in the forest:(.

I think the replicators might find a way to counter act the new weapon, just like they did for every other weapon that was created to defeat them. Maybe they'll form HUGE blocks that don't need to communicate between themselves:S GIANT LEGO BRICKS OF DOOM.

And regarding purple trees, I think there was an episode of the Outer Limits where some team was walking through a purple forest. I thought they filmed in Vancouver also, so it should be possible, although extremely ugly.

And one thing's bugging me fifth says he's had plenty of time to think about what sam did to him, but didn't the time bubble slow down time? To him, it would only be a matter of minutes, or seconds which passed by until he stopped the device and got out of the bubble. Unless he had to make it speed up time to get away from the black hole, or something else unexplained.

And I remember people arguing about Odin on another thread. It turns out the High-Council asgard with the neck pendant isn't Odin, so maybe he is missing an eye:)





And this is completely off topic, but this is really starting to bug me. Anubis can you please stop posting simple, almost pointless, one-line messages in practically every thread on this forum. There's more to life than getting a high post count.

Joe Chen
July 11th, 2004, 12:10 AM
Hi All,

Long time fan, first time poster. Spent much time reading forums and what better time to join into some good discussion than with a new season opener after the anticipation.

Not wanting to rehash anything else though I'd like to make my comments on our good buddy Thor.

He's probably more energetic and moved around more and looked a bit glossier due to his newest clone body after his previous one was destroyed. It may also explain the slight difference in the sound of his voice. Sound plausible? Loved his interactions with Teal'c and all as well. Couldn't stop laughing at his eye-opening reaction when the weapon was used. On his supreme commander status, I think he's less likely to correct his subordinates than correcting Earth dignitaries for emphasis (loved that scene too). Kudos to the puppeteers.

I am a bit surprised that Thor would not christen his latest vessel O'Neil as well. Can't seem to recall the name of his last vessel that the replicators ate up and crashed into the ocean (other than Thor's Chariot). Let one of the other Asguard command the DJ.

Also been wondering what kind of position Odin will have in the Asguard society?

I don't think I'll be posting too frequently since I try to only post when I have something unique to say though I'll be reading along as time permits me to. :)

Anubis
July 11th, 2004, 12:39 AM
I can't wait to see the scenes of the replicators

the dancer of spaz
July 11th, 2004, 01:24 AM
So... I gotta say that Fifth kinda creeped me out. I dunno. During Season Six, I thought he looked like a kid kinda, but now he looks like a mature & vengeful adult. When AT said that he's "the prettiest bad guy we have" on The Lowdown, I was expecting little, exuberant, over-zealous, Fifth, not... FIFTH. He's so creepy to me. I definitely don't like him, and I definitely think that Sam's gonna get out of control, and become worse than him. I mean, look how much they've all "evolved." Plus, Sam has the utmost ability to kick some major tail when she wants to, so RepliCarter (The Best!!!!) is probably even worse.

Mio
July 11th, 2004, 03:11 AM
And I remember people arguing about Odin on another thread. It turns out the High-Council asgard with the neck pendant isn't Odin, so maybe he is missing an eye:)
Odin wouldn't be missing an eye. If he even did lose an eye, he would have been given a new cloned body, complete with eye.

Anubis
July 11th, 2004, 03:19 AM
Yeah, those asgard can have too many bodies. Loose an arm and get a new body. Cool

Elwe Singollo
July 11th, 2004, 03:22 AM
Odin wouldn't be missing an eye. If he even did lose an eye, he would have been given a new cloned body, complete with eye.Good point, haha...

Also, in a few posts up, i think it was Chevron who said something about the Replicators finding a way to counter the new weapon, although i agree, wouldn't they have to 'consume' the weapon first? And if they did find a way, i would think the Asgard would try to figure out how they did it, although yah, maybe they couldn't :S

Anubis
July 11th, 2004, 03:25 AM
Yeah, the reps would have to 'eat' the weapon first

Mio
July 11th, 2004, 03:37 AM
The weapon was made with the knowledge of the ancients

Unless the replicators eat a Library of the Ancients™ any time soon, I don't see them ever counteracting it.

Elwe Singollo
July 11th, 2004, 04:42 AM
The weapon was made with the knowledge of the ancients

Unless the replicators eat a Library of the Ancients™ any time soon, I don't see them ever counteracting it.Hmm, didn't the ancients put their little 'head suckers' on many different worlds? Could the Replicators just eat one of those and know all the secrets, or do you think the Ancients knew about them, and did something to it, so it couldn't be eaten, haha...

Mio
July 11th, 2004, 05:31 AM
The sheer vastness of the ancient knowledge might be too much for the replicators

Orrrrrrr the ancients could have designed it to be tamper proof, and only accessable through the Patent Pending HeadSucker. If O'neill could design a weapon in a short time that could counteract the replicators, it would stand to reason that Ancient defense technology protective the Library of the Ancients is so overwhelmingly advanced that the replicators can't get past it.

Since they can't interface with the device through the HeadSucker, it is unlikely that they can eat the Library.

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 06:46 AM
Hm... wonder the Asgard can't stick their head in it. They are far superior then humans. And if some puny ooman is gonna do it, we're gonna have to wait millions of years.

Nolamom
July 11th, 2004, 08:32 AM
Well, perhaps thousands of years ago, when the Asgard were taller, they COULD stick their heads into it. Now, being little guys, they'd have to have a stepladder at the very least.

Mio
July 11th, 2004, 08:33 AM
They could never think like us and design a device to elevate one's height with the ultimate goal of reaching a high object.

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 08:34 AM
I was talking about the brain, not the body :>

you are all so shallow:)

Mio
July 11th, 2004, 08:35 AM
So then Nolamom made a joke out of it, and then I made a reference to Small Victories.

Selmak
July 11th, 2004, 08:36 AM
Maybe the Asgard are to smart to think of a step ladder.

Mio
July 11th, 2004, 08:38 AM
Maybe the Asgard are to smart to think of a step ladder.
That would be...basically....what I said.

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 08:39 AM
Don't try to blame someone else Mio :)

Nolamom
July 11th, 2004, 08:41 AM
Oooh! Can we start pointing fingers?!? Let's blame everyone for everything! :D

Mio
July 11th, 2004, 09:05 AM
It's fluffy's fault. I saw him do it.

Mio
July 11th, 2004, 09:18 AM
Evidence! Okok, So I didn't realize I had photoshop installed until I went through all of the trouble of making this in Microsoft Paint.

Ugly Pig
July 11th, 2004, 10:26 AM
Whew!! Having finally seen Fridays season premiere, I guess it's my turn to express my reaction to it. I've promised myself that this season I will comment on every episode (I hesitate to say 'review' because it will most likely just be a mess of incoherent ramblings and comments) without reading anyone else's reaction first. It won't be of any use to anyone - I'm probably the last person on the forum to have seen it, and not having read the thread so far probably means everything I say has already been thoroughly discussed. Still, here's


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'New Order'

Since both parts I and II aired as one long episode, I will regard it as such. Ahem. Here goes...

'New Order' had a major coolness factor, the biggest I can think of for any season opener. The Asgard, the System Lords coming crawling to the Tau'ri, the new weapon and just about anything involving the replicators - the ship, the 'replicator rocket', Fifth, the giant flying replicator, replicators in the forest... All so cool! :D

Oh, and there was funny stuff. Sam: "Understandable." Teal'c: "Indeed. For some." :D
Jack on Thor's ship (the 'Daniel Jackson', heh. I guess the Asgards' crush on Jack is expanding to include his friends as well ;)).
And the whole discussion regarding O'Neill's promotion. Speaking of which, I also enjoyed the ceremony at the end a whole lot - not that it was funny, but it was so satisfying to see Jack and Sam both finally get their due. They sure do deserve it. As for Jack's on-screen time, well - sure, he was nowhere to be seen in the first part. But when he finally did show up he was in it so much that for part II, I would not say the episode was "Jack-light".

I've been anticipating this episode eagerly (as has most people on the GW forums, I'm sure) so much that you'd think it could easily dissappoint. For me, there's no way it could have. It was just too dang good. A truly (cliché alert!) exciting ride (there, it's over) from start to finish (Oh yeah, the finish - was that final scene wonderfully creepy or what?). In short (I know - too late for that), this episode gets...


http://photobucket.com/albums/v413/uglypig/thumbsup.gif

Anthro Girl
July 11th, 2004, 11:39 AM
Orrrrrrr the ancients could have designed it to be tamper proof, and only accessable through the Patent Pending HeadSucker.
The "Head Sucker" reference through me for a loop for a little while only because the Ancient device technically did not "suck"...it "dumped". ;) Head Sucker sounds cooler, though.

And the Asgard are simply too advanced to think of something as crude as sticking one's head into anything. That's what they need Human allies for. :p

ShadowMaat
July 11th, 2004, 11:42 AM
The "Head Sucker" reference through me for a loop for a little while only because the Ancient device technically did not "suck"...it "dumped". ;) Head Sucker sounds cooler, though.
It sucked all the empty space out of Jack's head and filled it with all kinds of alien goodies. ;)

Mio
July 11th, 2004, 11:43 AM
And the Asgard are simply too advanced to think of something as crude as sticking one's head into anything. That's what they need Human allies for. :p
Agreed. Heh.

Anthro Girl
July 11th, 2004, 11:50 AM
It sucked all the empty space out of Jack's head <snip> ...
That's some advanced technology there! ;)

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 11:53 AM
How much is a pigs thumb worth comparing to a human thumb?=)

Anubis
July 11th, 2004, 11:55 AM
lol Who knows

Tokraed
July 11th, 2004, 12:26 PM
Okay, maybe Baal and Fifth are on a par with cruelty?

Mmmm, nyah ... I'd have to disagree. I think Fifth -- pretty little villian that he might be -- is crueler than Ba'al because of his love for Carter. Nothing says cruelty and pain better than unrequited love.

I can't really see where Replicant Carter will fall in love with Fifth. Remember, while all connected, the Humanoid Replicators were also individuals. The Bride of the Monster didn't fall for him, either, which caused even more grief for both Monster and Frankenstein.

Fifth's got lots of issues coming up that he's going to have to work out or go Postal on the SGC and all of humanity.

ShadowMaat
July 11th, 2004, 12:34 PM
Fifth crueler than Baal? No way, dudes. Fifth is cruel as a reactionary hurt kind of thing. Sam hurt him, he hurts Sam. It's as simple as that.

Baal, on the other hand, likes to make his victims suffer. It's more along the lines of, "You were stupid enough to try and damage my empire, so now I will watch you writhe in abject agony while I smile and plot further terror." And he doesn't limit himself to just one person, he's out for everyone. ;)

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 12:36 PM
Fifth doesn't even understand all feelings yet, so he can't be crueler. Understanding that what you're doing is wrong, but still doing it - That is what it is to be cruel :)

ShadowMaat
July 11th, 2004, 12:38 PM
Exactly. Baal is focused evil, like a surgical incision going right to the heart of the matter. Fifth sort of flails about, looking for random things that look like good pointy weapons. ;)

AgentX
July 11th, 2004, 12:44 PM
Ba'al is crueler. Fifth is what ShadowMaat said, a "reactionary" cruel person. He's got the mentality of a child when his emotions are concerned. 'You hurt me, but I can you hurt you more'

But give Fifth some time, he may surpass Ba'al.

ShadowMaat
July 11th, 2004, 12:45 PM
But give Fifth some time, he may surpass Ba'al.
Not if Replicarter beats him to it. ;)