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ShadowMaat
July 6th, 2004, 05:56 PM
I'm a bit confused about the issue of ship on Atlantis. When the character descriptions were first released, it was implied that there would be a building romance between Sheppard and Teyla. This implication was played up in the Lowdown, with lots of meaningful looks exchanged between the two characters and the whole donning of the necklace thing, too.

And yet... TPTB have (recently) started saying that they aren't planning to "add" ship to Atlantis because the issue has become so tense in SG-1 fandom.

So are we just supposed to ignore the "moments" between Teyla and Sheppard? Are they gonna be filtered out, eventually? Or do they mean that they aren't adding anything more than what's already there? Because I'm sorry, but if there's "something" there now, there will ALWAYS be "something" there no matter how hard you try to pretend it doesn't exist.

I, for one, hope there is NO SHIP whatsoever. Ship helped to ruin SG-1 for me and I'm sorry, but while some people might enjoy that sort of thing, I want to watch Stargate (be it SG-1 or Atlantis) for the PLOT, not the romance! I know that I really have to see the show before I can decide one way or another, but if ship has been built in to the characters right from the start, I'm not exactly being given any choice in the matter, am I? Shouldn't they wait to see if the two characters have any natural chemistry, first? Ship for ship's sake is, IMO, utterly pointless. And for pity's sake, does it always have to be such a cliched pairing?

I can also tell from the pics that there is something going on between Weir and Robert Patrick's character. Excuse me while I roll my eyes at THAT, too. ;)

Bah. Whatever. The only ship on Atlantis I'm gonna support is between McKay and Princess Bloodfang. ;) And that's a hopeless tragedy just waiting to happen, so no worries there. hehe

David85
July 6th, 2004, 06:11 PM
I'm with you. The only ships I want are the kind that fly around in outer space. I'm worried after watching the Lowdown thing too, it's scary, hopefully it will be like respect and friendSHIP and not, "give it to me".

DownFallAngel
July 6th, 2004, 06:11 PM
You only don't like McKay cause he wastes Luke's time!

I too hope there is no Ship. Plus that Tayla chick isn't even that hot.

What is TPTB?

ShadowMaat
July 6th, 2004, 06:14 PM
What is TPTB?
TPTB- The Powers That Be, AKA the producers/writers of the show. ;)

And I love McKay to pieces. It's a bit ironic that two of my fave characters are mortal enemies. Typical, but ironic. :) The thing with Princess Bloodfang could never work, of course. They come from different worlds- literally- and he could never learn to respect her differences. Still, she might be a good source of info on the Wraith. Although introducing a Wraith turncoat would have to wait a while. Maybe the finale, maybe next season... ;)

Positively Kanyon
July 6th, 2004, 06:30 PM
I agree with you ShadowMaat... I can't stand ship, and the only ones I want to see are flying through space.

I hope they don't turn Sheppard into Stargate's version of Kirk, hooking up with alien babes with green skin. I don't mind romance in science-fiction, but to drag something on and on like O'Neill and Carter in SG-1 and the fans obsessing over every little detail like "ooh, did you see how Jack looked at Sam in episode 5-04.92/1002 when she picked up that jello?" Stuff like that just sh!ts me off to no end and doesn't let the fans look past that and see the overall quality of television in front of them.

I won't mind if Sheppard and Teyla hook up in Atlantis, but if it's going to be constantly teased and dragged out like SG-1, then I say bugger the show already. As for whoever said that Teyla doesn't look hot, obviously you didn't watch either the DVD preview or The Lowdown cause she was looking slamming in those!

ShadowMaat
July 6th, 2004, 06:34 PM
As for whoever said that Teyla doesn't look hot, obviously you didn't watch either the DVD preview or The Lowdown cause she was looking slamming in those!
Different people, different tastes. ;) I didn't find her particularly attractive, but I didn't think she was ugly, either. My honest opinion was, "Oh, she's the Sexy Alien Babe". I'm sure the actress has talent (and if she's any good with her fighting sticks, double kudos to her), but her being "hot" probably helps... a lot. Especially if they wanna set up ship, 'cause everyone knows men can't be attracted to "ordinary" women. :P

keshou
July 6th, 2004, 07:05 PM
I think the script for the pilot was completed some time ago (probably last fall when they were casting) and was written to be a little "shippy" for Sheppard/Teyla.

Perhaps they came back to the studio in January-February to prepare for shooting to begin on Atlantis in March and were suddenly deluged with the negative fallout from the Pete situation. Might have been too late to change much for the pilot but maybe they were persuaded to put any Sheppard/Teyla ship on the back burner in later episodes they were writing. If they never mention it again, many people *will* forget about it. Not you of course, but many people. Janeway and Chakotay were quite the item in a couple of episodes of Voyager but that disappeared pretty quickly!

I think it would be wise to just let the Atlantis characters develop naturally and see how things go. I'm not *totally* opposed to some subtle UST, as long as the characters have chemistry and it doesn't become the focus of the story, but I sure don't think it's necessary to have a successful show. SG-1 did just fine without it for several seasons.

I love McKay but I'm a little worried that he might turn into the Harper of the Pegasus galaxy (Harper of season 2.5 on). As long as they develop his character in other areas he'll be fine but I cringed a little when I read where David Hewlett said McKay thinks of the Pegasus galaxy as his personal singles bar. :D

By the way, Gateworld has a question up in the "Letters to the Editor" section soliciting opinions on "ship" in scifi. How can you resist??

http://www.gateworld.net/fandom/letters_submit.shtml

ShadowMaat
July 6th, 2004, 07:12 PM
Actually, I'm not big on letter-writing. If I want to sound off about something, I'll do it here where I can get feedback and interact with people instantly rather than just some one-off letter which may or may not get published (although if David's in charge, it just might ;)).

And while you may not believe it, if TPTB chose to drop ship entirely from Atlantis and never mentioned it again, I would be quite happy to play along and forget about it myself. :P

As for McKay... yeah, the singles bar thing is a little worrisome, although I can imagine McKay as having just that mentality. All those "exotic" women who've never seen him or any other "Earth men" before. And after all, they're only primitive aliens... :rolleyes:

keshou
July 6th, 2004, 07:27 PM
I thought you'd love to be published! You'd write a great letter and David would *have* to pick it. :)

Back to topic. I thought of another reason for the change. Perhaps after seeing the pilot TPTB realized they didn't like the chemistry between Sheppard and Teyla after all and are using the fandom shipper flap as an excuse to back off from that particular ship.

That's of course total speculation, but it wouldn't surprise me that much. I would think chemistry is sometimes hard to predict, even after seeing the actors in auditions.

TameFarrar
July 6th, 2004, 07:40 PM
Well from a *Shipper* POV I can tell you that I *personally* never went into SG LOOKING for romance and was just pleasently surprise by the subtle UST and enjoyed the romance over the years. Since TPTB put it out there for the fans who wished to see it I was happy with it.

What they have done now, with the Pete storyline and all the changing of the *Party Lines* well I have to say even if they DO have ship in Atlantis I personally won't be supporting it. They can't seem to find a way to keep it in the background and keep things on an even keel.

Calicto
July 6th, 2004, 07:57 PM
Okay. My point is messed up.

In my opinion, SciFi will keep Stargate as long as there are enough people watching it and the fact that it gets good ratings. I know people who just watch Stargate for those subtle romance moments and character relations. (Sad, however those people maybe, but those still count towards the number of people who watch stargate).

I want to see Stargate SG-1 Season 28, Stargate SG-A Season 20 and Wormhole Extreme Season 3 in the future. If it makes Stargate for successful and makes it last longer, then I am opt for it.

Currently, I am at odds with friends who insist that Charmed is better. Currently, Stargate has everything that Charmed has (romance..hot girls..hot boys..supernatural..interesting plots..character sacrifices..etc.) If romance is taken away, then Stargate will be no better than an Action-Flick + Intellectual-Delight... how bout that Subtle Romances?

We need more females to watch the show. We need Stargate to live Forever. We need to worship Stargate.

Stargate: Fans KREE!!!!!

*everyone bows* *those who did not bow are distengrated by the Whoosh!*

ShadowMaat
July 6th, 2004, 08:10 PM
We need more females to watch the show. We need Stargate to live Forever. We need to worship Stargate.
Uhh... a majority of Stargate's fandom is already female. ;) While I know that there are some male shippers, a majority of the ones who want to see the various characters "hook up" are likewise female. More women watching will probably mean more fans clamoring for ship. :P

What's so bad about having an intellectually dramatic action adventure series? WHY does there have to be "ship" in order for some mindsets to consider a show good? It's possible to have a high quality, emotionally rich show with complex storylines and engaging characters and NO SHIP. And that is what I'd like to see for Atlantis: Excellent storylines, multi-faceted characters, some good humor and NO SHIP. It isn't needed and if it HAS to happen, at least let it develop naturally. I don't want it shoved down our throats right from Day 1 that Characters A and B are Made For Each Other. And entire series worth of moopy expressions and "will they/won't they" BS is really NOT why I plan to tune in to the show. And if that's what happens I shall be severely displeased. :P

Consider yourselves duly warned. ;)

Liebestraume
July 6th, 2004, 08:28 PM
I'm a bit confused about the issue of ship on Atlantis. When the character descriptions were first released, it was implied that there would be a building romance between Sheppard and Teyla. This implication was played up in the Lowdown, with lots of meaningful looks exchanged between the two characters and the whole donning of the necklace thing, too.I briefly read the character bio when they first came out, but I can't recall seeing any implied 'ship whatsoever. As for Lowdown, if it weren't for the actress (who plays Teyla) going on and on about "connection" I wouldn't have thought of 'ship, either. I certainly didn't see any vibes from "Sheppard," and the donning of necklace could be just a gesture of friendship between two people.


And yet... TPTB have (recently) started saying that they aren't planning to "add" ship to Atlantis because the issue has become so tense in SG-1 fandom.Personally, I think the fandom will be just fine if TPTB stops vacillating so much on the 'ship they already have (or not have, depending on one's interpretation). A lot of people will be happy either way so long as it's well done. I know I'll be happier if TPTB cease to think in terms of 'ship, or the lack thereof, and just focus on telling a good story.

Guess I too am confused, and more than a little worried.

ShadowMaat
July 6th, 2004, 08:31 PM
I know I'll be happier if TPTB cease to think in terms of 'ship, or the lack thereof, and just focus on telling a good story.
Amen! But at this point, do you think that's even possible? ;)

Whoops, I'm supposed to try and be positive about Atlantis, right? Guess I'll go off and dwell on McKay/Princess Bloodfang ship. ;)

Liebestraume
July 6th, 2004, 08:35 PM
But at this point, do you think that's even possible? ;)
There is still hope. ~ Arwen, LOTR :p

tera'ngan
July 6th, 2004, 09:59 PM
I think it would be wise to just let the Atlantis characters develop naturally and see how things go. I'm not *totally* opposed to some subtle UST, as long as the characters have chemistry and it doesn't become the focus of the story, but I sure don't think it's necessary to have a successful show.

I agree with you Kes - a little chemistry can supplement some already good storylines and mix things up a bit, but don't write stories around it. And DON'T, for goodness sake, DON'T tease and drag out some never-gonna-happen "romance" for x number of years! That's almost as bad as the same character having a completely new and different serious significant other every season. It just becomes hard to take it seriously after a while and the characters come off as being severely dysfunctional. JAG is a very good example of 'ship writing gone very, very bad. SG-1 hasn't gotten to me in that respect yet, and season 8 looks to have some pretty good stories . . .

My question regarding Atlantis and this whole Sheppard/Teyla thing is what's stopping them? I mean, in order to do the 'ship thing (if that is what they intend to do), there is usually an I-am-attracted-to-you-but-can't-do-anything-about-it somewhere in there. Are they just going to put them both into some sort of denial, or are they actually going to try to hook them up? Either way, I'm going to stick to my original thought, which is don't center storylines around it.

-tera'ngan

Teal'c
July 7th, 2004, 10:12 AM
I don't want any ship (Except of course for McKay getting together with all the alien chicks! :P)

But Teyla is pretty hot, but I think Torri looks even better :D

aAnubiSs
July 7th, 2004, 11:48 AM
I really like how Teyla looks. Both the character and the Actress that is.

David85
July 7th, 2004, 12:03 PM
[QUOTE=Calicto]Okay. My point is messed up. (So is this quote. :) )

In my opinion, SciFi will keep Stargate as long as there are enough people watching it and the fact that it gets good ratings. I know people who just watch Stargate for those subtle romance moments and character relations. (Sad, however those people maybe, but those still count towards the number of people who watch stargate).

I want to see Stargate SG-1 Season 28, Stargate SG-A Season 20 and Wormhole Extreme Season 3 in the future. If it makes Stargate for successful and makes it last longer, then I am opt for it.

QUOTE]
I think that's rather sad, if people want to watch sex shows watch daytime TV. Put good shows in Prime Time and the trash shows on during the day.

SG-1 Hell No! :)

They will have SG-2 and 3 by then. :)

DownFallAngel
July 7th, 2004, 01:34 PM
I guess we all agree that an Atlantis ship this early on would really be a bad idea.

They call me Tim
July 7th, 2004, 02:22 PM
I guess I could be considered a mid-shipper and something that I never knew was a big deal until I found this forum...I have found the relationship between Carter and O'neill refreshing because they do have a love for each other but it isnt about the sex part of it...the reason that I dont like the story line of Pete is because they hit us over the head with it and it was all about the bedroom...if it had been like any other season and had her going out to dinner or mention him every so often I wouldnt care...same with Carter and O'neill...if they hook up I wouldnt care either way just as long as it isnt them knocking boots every episode...right now I enjoy their relationship because it is about their hearts and not their...cough :eek:

like someone's little tag, "Ship Happens" and I dont think that it has hurt Stargate but has made it seem more real...as far as Atlantis goes...if Shep and Teal'c err....I mean Tey'la, sorry... get together right away I wont care for that because it will be for the physical but if they take a little while and make it more wholesome...bring it on....I love Stargate becasue it has something for everyone....of course that is how I feel, what do you think? :p

Of course, I also never thought a moment about how they havent gone through the Stargate alot lately and I like that because although they have this gate they have made the show dynamic by not forcing it to be "all about the gate"...its a good show for many reasons and that is its biggest strength and why I think that it has been around for so long and if they keep that model for Atlantis then it should be around for a while too....

sorry for getting a little off topic....I am bored and ready to go home :D

uknesvuinng
July 8th, 2004, 07:23 PM
I find J/S ship about as believable as The World Weekly News (a popular US tabloid, famed for its many stories about Bat Boy). But that's a somewhat pointless opinion to point out that I don't particularly trust TPTB to do romance between major characters well. I also have to agree that Pete appeared a little too suddenly. No hints in previous episodes about him, he just appeared. I understand they have to be careful with such things, as episodes can be reorganized and thus mess with continuity, but they included a line about O'neill's "Heroes" injury in Ressurection. Not to mention they used the shuttle crashed in S5's last stand in the plot of "Fail Safe", which for the most part was a stand-alone episode, so these things can be done. Also, as it stands now, Pete seems to be rather overtly played as an "obstruction" to Sam and Jack getting together as opposed to a "real" interest. This further sucks the believability right out of the story line, not to mention Sam's constant pining for Jack makes her look more like a wishy washy schoolgirl with a crush, instead of the strong independant woman we were introduced to in the beginning. Writing a ship from the beginning could allieviate some of these problems, but will be even worse should it be that the characters as portrayed by the actors don't have the chemistry for it.

It does occur to me though that the ship that was originally hinted at was mentioned in character descriptions, before the cast was selected. Perhaps the reason they seem to be denying ship now is because they discovered the chemistry wasn't there, and won't attempt to force a ship that won't work. My faith in TPTB is returning.

ShadowMaat
July 8th, 2004, 07:31 PM
Perhaps the reason they seem to be denying ship now is because they discovered the chemistry wasn't there, and won't attempt to force a ship that won't work. My faith in TPTB is returning.
Why would they let that stop them? IMO, Sam and Jack have no chemistry, but TPTB have been shoving THAT down our throats. They'll do the same for Shep and Teyla if they feel like it. Likely they'll just wait until the Pete thing cools down and the fans love them again (probably right after the ep where they have Sam and Jack hooking up) and THEN they'll push forward with Shep and Tey again. :P

Liebestraume
July 8th, 2004, 08:19 PM
Why would they let that stop them? IMO, Sam and Jack have no chemistry, but TPTB have been shoving THAT down our throats. They'll do the same for Shep and Teyla if they feel like it.
Well, they might have seen chemistry in SamandJack but are seeing none in ShepandTeyla. They only care where they see chemistry. ;)

ShadowMaat
July 8th, 2004, 08:25 PM
Well, they might have seen chemistry in SamandJack but are seeing none in ShepandTeyla. They only care where they see chemistry. ;)
I'll bet you they see chemistery with Shep and Teyla, too. :P

uknesvuinng
July 11th, 2004, 10:58 AM
Why would they let that stop them? IMO, Sam and Jack have no chemistry, but TPTB have been shoving THAT down our throats. They'll do the same for Shep and Teyla if they feel like it. Likely they'll just wait until the Pete thing cools down and the fans love them again (probably right after the ep where they have Sam and Jack hooking up) and THEN they'll push forward with Shep and Tey again. :P

My point was maybe they won't. Before the casting, they were pushing it, now the ship isn't being played up. I'm hoping that they may have realized it won't work. As for the J/S ship, they've already let the cat out of the bag, and short of a court martial or some other dramatic and sobering event for the 2 characters (mostly Sam, as Jack really hasn't shown any more interest in her than he's shown in his other teammates), they have to keep it going. Of course, they could just drop it, wouldn't be the first plot arc to disappear, but I'm hoping they've learned from previous mistakes and are going to do better. Atlantis is something of a fresh start, a chance to let the characters develop on their own without the writers forcing those characters into niches that they don't really fit.

At least, that's what I hope.

ShadowMaat
July 11th, 2004, 11:07 AM
My point was maybe they won't. Before the casting, they were pushing it, now the ship isn't being played up. I'm hoping that they may have realized it won't work.
Ah, such wonderfully unwavering optimism. ;) How I wish I could share it...

Bagpuss
July 11th, 2004, 11:47 AM
*Chucks in "2 cents". ;)
I haven't seen this year's Lowdown,but I sincerely hope SG Atlantis Fandom won't be subject to the same Ship/Anti-Ship divisions,that Stargate SG-1 seems to be plagued with . :(

Normally,I stay out of outright "Ship" discussion Threads,..mainly because I prefer to stay neutral on GW Forum. I like too many people here, to attack anyone's stance on pairings ! :D

However,I really don't want to see obvious and manipulative "Pairings" on Atlantis.

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 12:04 PM
There's an easy way to avoid ship/anti-ship discussion. DONT EVEN REMOTELY HINT ANY RELATIONSHIPS WHAT SO EVER!

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 12:05 PM
And if there has to be some. Make it a male-male couple? B5 did a lesbian, but don't think i've ever seen a male-male one in any sci-fi show.

Anubis
July 11th, 2004, 12:05 PM
I'm not too bothered but as long as it's not huge

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 02:01 PM
Having now seen Rising, I have to say I found all the Sheppard/Teyla stuff to be revoltingly cliche. I sincerely hope TPTB back off and give up because watching them try to force those two together makes my stomach churn. There have to be better things to do with the characters than having them share "moments" like that.

Whatever chemistry they may or may not have is overwhelmed by the stunning predictibility of everything they do together.

Cut your losses and move on, I say.

Shipperahoy
July 23rd, 2004, 02:07 PM
I guess I don't really care if they have ship on Atlantis or not. If they want to have Shepard and Teyla together then laissez la bon temps roulez. The only thing that has ever bugged me about relationships in sci-fi shows is when they have the lead actor or actors hooking up with the hot alien du jour. Although I will say that if they are going to get Shepard and Teyla together I hope that they do it right away because I think it may cause less of a rift in the fandom if it's made canon in the first season. I don't want another drawn out "do they like each other" " no they don't" "yes they do" ad infitum again.

Ugly Pig
July 23rd, 2004, 02:08 PM
For now, I hope they don't do the 'ship' thing. Generally I don't care, but right now is just way to soon. Once the characters have been established enough for me to really care what happens to them, such a storyline could be interesting but they're not developed enough for that just yet.

Also, I gotta say that right now I see NO romantic chemistry whatsoever between any of the characters.

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 02:12 PM
The Falling for the Sexy Alien Female thing is just way too overdone, yes.

I'm with Piggy. I don't think any of them have any romantic chemistry. Although if Sam had been in this ep, the Sam/McKay sparks woulda flown... ;)

Ilios
July 23rd, 2004, 02:15 PM
I agree with Ugly Pig, we hardly know the characters and before we see the whole "ship" thing, they should grow and develop. Its to early in the series to be thinking about romantic interests.

Adamixoye
July 23rd, 2004, 02:30 PM
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I thought the spoilers EXPLICITLY STATED that Sheppard and Teyla would have an initial attraction, but it would develop into respect. Sounds to me like there isn't much to worry about if you're against ship.

Lt.Damnit
July 23rd, 2004, 02:33 PM
lets be real mainly directed to guys. if you were stuck on atlantis....would you not try to get with teyla? i mean she isnt ungodly...but shes nice to look at ;)

Shipperahoy
July 23rd, 2004, 02:40 PM
I guess what I was trying to say is that if they're going to have ship on Atlantis I hope that it's not some long drawn out thing like with the Sam/Jack pairing. Even though I'm a Sam/Jack shipper I've never wanted it to become the focus of the show and I sort of feel by making a pairing this huge protracted deal it sort of does that. Personally I'm sort of leaning towards no ship on Atlantis, though if they do it I won't scream or stop watching the show or anything. The one thing about the Shepard/Teyla pairing is that at least no one would be breaking any military regulations if they decide to pair them up.

po134
July 23rd, 2004, 02:47 PM
I've some question for u,

Is there only 5 ships in atlantis ?
are they all puddle jumper ?

The puddlejumper doesnt seems do have a gun ? or sheilds ?
Where the "drones" comes from ?

Can they jump in hyper-speed ... If the answer is yes [What I suppose is ...] They'll be able to join our home galaxy in few hours just like the asgards ! Afterall the ancients must have a very very powerfull power generator [Little ZPM in each puddle jumper ???]


:rolleyes:

Ugly Pig
July 23rd, 2004, 02:52 PM
po123, those are all interesting questions. However, I'm afraid the puddlejumper is not exactly the type of 'ship' we've been discussing in this thread... :)

Lt.Damnit
July 23rd, 2004, 02:52 PM
I've some question for u,

Is there only 5 ships in atlantis ?
are they all puddle jumper ?

The puddlejumper doesnt seems do have a gun ? or sheilds ?
Where the "drones" comes from ?

Can they jump in hyper-speed ... If the answer is yes [What I suppose is ...] They'll be able to join our home galaxy in few hours just like the asgards ! Afterall the ancients must have a very very powerfull power generator [Little ZPM in each puddle jumper ???]


:rolleyes:

i believe this is the wrong thread to talk about this.....but if there were a ZPM in each puddle jumper, they wouldnt have a problem with failing power in atlantis :D

aschen
July 23rd, 2004, 04:16 PM
Ships are for teenage girls with retainers that listen to the Back Street Boys and N'Synch. :mad:

ShadowMaat
July 23rd, 2004, 04:22 PM
Ships are for teenage girls with retainers that listen to the Back Street Boys and N'Synch. :mad:
If you don't like ship (or ships) that's fine, but there are ways of expressing yourself that don't involve degrading a lot of people. You may want to think about that the next time you post.

Try and keep it friendly...

Slainte
July 23rd, 2004, 04:32 PM
Ships are for teenage girls with retainers that listen to the Back Street Boys and N'Synch. :mad:
So, so wrong! ;)

aschen
July 23rd, 2004, 04:34 PM
If you don't like ship (or ships) that's fine, but there are ways of expressing yourself that don't involve degrading a lot of people. You may want to think about that the next time you post.

Try and keep it friendly...
Okay. Sorry. >_< Bad day. I found out my step-grandfather was diagnosed with Parkinson's and we're all in a bit of a fury. v_v I promise to be good.

Bagpuss
July 23rd, 2004, 04:47 PM
Okay. Sorry. >_< Bad day. I found out my step-grandfather was diagnosed with Parkinson's and we're all in a bit of a fury. v_v I promise to be good.
I'm not surprised you're having a bad day after that kind of news,aschen. :(
For what it's worth,you have my sympathy. I hope his doctors manage his meds enough to gain control and even remission.
I won't intrude on your feelings any further,friend. :)

aschen
July 23rd, 2004, 04:53 PM
I'm not surprised you're having a bad day after that kind of news,aschen. :(
For what it's worth,you have my sympathy. I hope his doctors manage his meds enough to gain control and even remission.
I won't intrude on your feelings any further,friend. :)
The fault is totally mine. I should embrace you, the fellow members of this community, instead of mocking you. :(

Bagpuss
July 23rd, 2004, 05:01 PM
Sending "Virtual Hug" ((((((((((((((aschen)))))))))))))
Don't worry,we're a pretty understanding lot !! :D

Psst:have a look at your rep in a little while . ;)

aschen
July 23rd, 2004, 05:03 PM
I've noticed that, and I don't intend on testing that again. :D

<33

po134
July 23rd, 2004, 08:49 PM
Ugly Pig & Lt.Damnit> Should I create new topic ?

Dr. Daniel Jackson
January 21st, 2008, 02:44 PM
You only don't like McKay cause he wastes Luke's time!

I too hope there is no Ship. Plus that Tayla chick isn't even that hot.

What is TPTB?

Your wrong u know, Rachel plays a really hot warrior chick.

Daniel Jackson
January 21st, 2008, 03:05 PM
I clicked on this thread thinking it'd be about space ships. lol

!!??
January 21st, 2008, 05:21 PM
I clicked on this thread thinking it'd be about space ships. lol

ME too

Chezlee
January 21st, 2008, 09:17 PM
I clicked on this thread thinking it'd be about space ships. lol

As did I about 5 seconds ago...As to the "ships" I agree the jack sam thing drug out and caused SEVERAL alternate universe epis where they could "be together" As to Teyla and John, in a recent scifi interview Joe says that there wont be any actual relationships between main characters just some "sexual tension" sometimes which is what ships are all about and once they are consummated (best word for it I think :D) then it becomes pointless.

on SG1 I just rolled my eyes when they acted all lovey, except for daniel and vala in unending because I thought they should get togther but there wasnt every any sign that they would feel more then friends.

VSS
January 23rd, 2008, 08:38 PM
As did I about 5 seconds ago...As to the "ships" I agree the jack sam thing drug out and caused SEVERAL alternate universe epis where they could "be together" As to Teyla and John, in a recent scifi interview Joe says that there wont be any actual relationships between main characters just some "sexual tension" sometimes which is what ships are all about and once they are consummated (best word for it I think :D) then it becomes pointless.

on SG1 I just rolled my eyes when they acted all lovey, except for daniel and vala in unending because I thought they should get togther but there wasnt every any sign that they would feel more then friends.

Blasphemy!

Chezlee
January 23rd, 2008, 09:00 PM
Blasphemy!

IMO of course :D I like the IDEA better then the reality sorry

VSS
January 23rd, 2008, 09:11 PM
IMO of course :D I like the IDEA better then the reality sorry

That's better.
I like the idea better, too. Especially my ideas.

squeakytoad
January 25th, 2008, 07:04 AM
The whole fandom "ship" garbage ruins so many series.
I really wish the writers would become more callous, ignoring the whining of the online fan community, and doing what was best for the show. Of course, they need the money these fangirls pour into the series, so they try to keep them happy.

Chezlee
January 25th, 2008, 09:45 AM
The whole fandom "ship" garbage ruins so many series.
I really wish the writers would become more callous, ignoring the whining of the online fan community, and doing what was best for the show. Of course, they need the money these fangirls pour into the series, so they try to keep them happy.

Not everything they do makes them happy. They may want ships but get a group of men to write them and tragedy will occur :)

VSS
January 25th, 2008, 01:10 PM
The whole fandom "ship" garbage ruins so many series.
I really wish the writers would become more callous, ignoring the whining of the online fan community, and doing what was best for the show. Of course, they need the money these fangirls pour into the series, so they try to keep them happy.

Whining? Oh, now there's the pot calling the kettle black!

You do know that Grace and Moebius were the two most highly rated eps, don't you? I think both of them were 2.3 or 2.4 in syndication. And WoO wins the viewer's choice polls for favorite ep nearly every time; and season eight was the highest rated/most viewers of any season.

But other than that, I see your point.:D Totally sunk the show. Maybe YOU don't like it, but most people either do like it or don't give a damn one way or the other.

And it's not just girls, either.