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September 20th, 2005, 08:46 PM
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Locke and Kate must find a way to repair the computer inside the hatch, though Jack believes that nothing will happen when the timer reaches zero. Sawyer, Michael, and Jin are captured and held by people they believe to be the mysterious "Others."

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ItsDan
October 5th, 2005, 07:28 PM
I liked it.

I think it clears up a couple mysteries. The polar bears, and probably the shark, fall under the Zoology part of the orientation video, brought to the island, or altered in some way which made them worth studying.

I think it's all but been said that the people holding Sawyer/Michael/Jin are the other survivors, not "the others".

Anyone recognize the girl in the picture Jack looks at with Desmond in it?

FoolishPleasure
October 5th, 2005, 07:30 PM
OMG. .Hurley found the food stash! :D

Locke's backstory was blah - I wanted to know who he chose. .the father, or Helen.

The film - pondering. I think I need to see that again. ;)

Desmond. .he isn't too hard on the eyes. :D

Calvin - who the heck was he, and what happened to HIS partner?

The others. Or ARE they? The gal was obviously in the back of the plane. We have another group of survivors, but they look like times have been a bit rougher than our gang.

FoolishPleasure
October 5th, 2005, 07:33 PM
I liked it.

I think it clears up a couple mysteries. The polar bears, and probably the shark, fall under the Zoology part of the orientation video, brought to the island, or altered in some way which made them worth studying.

I think it's all but been said that the people holding Sawyer/Michael/Jin are the other survivors, not "the others".

Anyone recognize the girl in the picture Jack looks at with Desmond in it?
Jack did act like he recognized the girl. That was odd.

Agree on the polar bears/shark - probably some other animals as well.

If that area was an underground lab originally, what ELSE where they studying? There was mention of unusual magnetic properties.

ItsDan
October 5th, 2005, 07:34 PM
Here's the pic Jack sees, wish I had a better copy.

The large black man who throws them in the hole might be Rose's husband.

Another clue that they are also survivors is that many of them are dressed in modern clothing. Last week it was darker and harder to see that, but of course they wanted to tease us.

Oh, the 540 days he was meant to be there, an even multiple of 108 (108 * 5).

TheObiJuan
October 5th, 2005, 08:42 PM
spoilers.....







I saw Jin speaks english in the preview of the next episode, the story grows and grows....
He could be with the other guys, the ones that are holding sawyer and michael captive.
Whats up with the other survivors.

ShadowMaat
October 5th, 2005, 08:45 PM
Holy crap, I was right about the swan! LOL!

Skinner was more psychology based, wasn't he? Behavioral stuff? Sounds like the button pushing thing could be nothing more than an elaborate psychology experiment set up with conditions to make it look more "real".

But alas, that doesn't explain the nanoswarm. And I'm getting more convinced it might be something like that. The movie dude definitely mentioned "swarm".

I don't like Locke's history. Boring. And I'll bet you anything that Helen was hired by Daddy to get Locke off his case.

Saw the Cagegirl ruse a mile off, too.

So the girl in the pic was NOT Jack's girlfriend, right? 'cause Desmond would have been dating her when he set off on his trip, so the timing isn't right. I wonder who she is, then.

LoneStar1836
October 5th, 2005, 09:40 PM
I’m with Jack. It’s some kind of psychological experiment. I didn’t want him to push the button. But he did anyway…..

People seem to like the “see you in another life” line. This was written on the back of Sayid’s picture of Nadia…. “You'll find me in the next life if not in this one.” Then of course Desmond, “Good luck, brother. See you in another life.”

Heh. I think somebody has too much time on their hands with the creation of fake websites for entities in the show. :D The Oceanic site and now one for The Hanso Foundation (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/mission.html). Interesting little science projects they have going on at the ol' foundation. Walt seems to fit into one of their projects. Maybe the guys on the boat motored him on over to which ever island is handling the Accelerated Remote Viewing Facility since this island seems to be the one for Electromagnetic research.

Naeara
October 5th, 2005, 10:34 PM
The large black man who throws them in the hole might be Rose's husband.

I was wondering that as well, especially after I saw Rose in the preview for next week.

Thanks for the picture. It's kind of hard to see the woman's face but I don't recognize her.

ItsDan
October 6th, 2005, 02:56 AM
"Maybe the guys on the boat motored him on over to which ever island is handling the Accelerated Remote Viewing Facility since this island seems to be the one for Electromagnetic research."


I don't know. A few word choices on the video seem to indicate otherwise. First it's refered to as "the island", and studying of the electromagnetism on "this sector" of the island.


If the current people are more survivors, which I'm going to assume they are, the island must be quite large, otherwise they might have come looking for our favorite group of people when they heard the bottle rockets awhile back.


Also, I don't know if that's Jin speaking English. It's the actor, but many shows have actors do quick promo things. We'll obviously find out next week, but my thoughts:

1. There is NO accent, it didnt sound like a Korean man who learned english. If we hadn't seen Jin's father, we might be able to guess he lied about his past, grew up somewhere else, but we do know he grew up in a finishing village.

2. He has no markings on him. Right now he has the crap beatten out of him, but in the quick scene there is nothing. This could just mean it's part of a flashback, or something strange happens on the island that we haven't thought of. It could just mean the actor did a short phrase for commercials.

FoolishPleasure
October 6th, 2005, 04:37 AM
The island is obviously huge so I'm thinking there is another underground something-or-other elsewhere. The "monster-thingy" tried to pull Locke underground when they were out by the Black Rock. How far away was that from the hatch? The film said something about the hatch being station #3, so there are other stations, but not necessarily on that island.

They do need to hunt down Desmond and make him answer questions - Jack asked him a few - like where the food came from, etc., that weren't answered.

Interesting future teaser with Jin speaking English. Could be a flashback and he has a twin in America? Who the heck knows what they are going to pull on us. :D

warmbeachbrat
October 6th, 2005, 04:50 AM
spoilers.....







I saw Jin speaks english in the preview of the next episode, the story grows and grows....
He could be with the other guys, the ones that are holding sawyer and michael captive.
Whats up with the other survivors.

I saw that too! It really bothers me for some reason. I guess when Jin speaks only Korean and can't understand others or be understood by them, it makes him more sympathetic to the viewers and a little bit pathetic. If he's known English the whole time--well, that makes him more likely to be evil. I think I prefer sympathetic/pathetic Jin over evil Jin. But that's just me.

DJFavorite
October 6th, 2005, 05:23 AM
Heh. I think somebody has too much time on their hands with the creation of fake websites for entities in the show. :D The Oceanic site and now one for The Hanso Foundation (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/mission.html). Interesting little science projects they have going on at the ol' foundation. Walt seems to fit into one of their projects. Maybe the guys on the boat motored him on over to which ever island is handling the Accelerated Remote Viewing Facility since this island seems to be the one for Electromagnetic research.

Oh, I would say that it's all part of the show. If you look at the terms of use link on both sites, it takes you to: http://disney.go.com/corporate/privacy/terms.html

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 6th, 2005, 09:16 AM
Good ep.

You know, I'm beginning to think that there was no plane crash. I bet that in that tv universe there isn't even an Oceanic Airlines. I think that this group was drugged and dropped onto this island and certain expendable subjects were mortally injured so that the halucinating test subjects would interpret their situation as a plane crash. I bet the pilot is a member of Dharma and safe and sound in another sector ATM. His death was waaay too random.

I bet that Jack saying that "nothing happened" to his patient meant that she, like Locke, wasn't really healed, and that she lost the use of her legs, causing their marriage to break up.

I think the other survivors - "from the back of the plane" - are either being subjected to a different sort of psychological torture - or they are left alone to act as a control of sorts.

The Orientation film was so full of interesting things, wasn't it? I thought it was telling that they studied para-normal stuff. Do you suppose the psychic that talked to Claire was in Dharma's employ? Were the test subjects all screened by Dharma scientists prior to being put on the island? What other branches of research did the orientation guy mention?

And who goes half-way into an explanation, hesitates, and calls something an "incident" with no further clarification? Maybe in person when we tend to speak our thoughts, but, on film? No way.

It's all putting me in mind of the movies Cypher(with David Hewlitt;) ) and The Manchurian Candidate. Both were really well done psychological thrillers and Lost is no different.

FoolishPleasure
October 6th, 2005, 10:24 AM
What other branches of research did the orientation guy mention?

The "fake" Hanso webpage lists the active projects as:

Life Extension
Electromagnetic Research
Extraterrestrial Intelligence
Mathematical Forecasting
Cryogenic Development
Juxtapositional Eugenics
Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility

None of them is an active link. When you click on a title you get a box that says something about not having permission. :D

TheHomegaMan
October 6th, 2005, 10:27 AM
So I came in about halfway into the ep. The first thing I saw was Desmond trying like mad to repair the computer, failing, and then running out. Anyone care to fill me in on the first half hour and this video they're referring to?

SimilarCadence
October 6th, 2005, 10:28 AM
Good ep.
You know, I'm beginning to think that there was no plane crash. I bet that in that tv universe there isn't even an Oceanic Airlines. I think that this group was drugged and dropped onto this island and certain expendable subjects were mortally injured so that the halucinating test subjects would interpret their situation as a plane crash. I bet the pilot is a member of Dharma and safe and sound in another sector ATM. His death was waaay too random
I have another similar idea floating around in my head, with a little variation, involving nanoswarms, dna samples and cloning.... What if there had been a plane crash with only carefully chosen victims of that crash (the survivors as we know them) surviving? They could have been treated with healing nanoswarms after dna samples were taken from them for Dharma's various experiments in other sectors, one of which could possibly be cloning (the twins on the Others' boat; the gooey, dripping Walt-in-the-jungle reminded me of Replicarter's gel-like covering when she was created by Fifth). That would explain Locke's ability to walk after the crash; the other survivors were, for the most part, left with only bumps, cuts and bruises to make it seem more believable.

This fits in with the Hanso Foundation's mission statement which states that the foundation "has offered grants to worthy experiments designed to further the evolution of the human race and provide technological solutions to the most pressing problems of our time".


Originally posted by FoolishPleasure
Interesting future teaser with Jin speaking English. Could be a flashback and he has a twin in America? Who the heck knows what they are going to pull on us. :D
What if he wasn't the original Jin, but rather his clone? Maybe our Jin is locked away somewhere, captured after being washed up on the shore..... Of course we don't actually know how long it would take to produce a fully-grown human clone because it's never been done. Maybe Dharma has found a way to achieve it in the 40-plus days since the crash.... As for Jin's accent being American, did the famous Dolly baa with a Scottish accent when she was created? :p

Don't mind me.....I'm still tired from not sleeping much last night!

memnarch
October 6th, 2005, 03:55 PM
Regarding Jin speaking english in the preview, it's probably a dream sequence or something...

Now Orientation: Excellent episode. It was nice to see more of Locke and the departure of Desmond was well done and left it open for him to return. I'm very interested in how Hurley deals with the numbers inside the Hatch (or should I say Swan Station?). While it was a good episode, I think that they may have revealed a bit too much. Dharma may explain most of, if not all of the mysteries in the series: the monster is an advanced security system, the Others are researchers left behind who transcended their physical bodies, the polar bears are part of the experiment, etc. I hope this isn't the case because otherwise the show's going to suck, unless they introduce more mysteries...:(

ShadowMaat
October 6th, 2005, 04:44 PM
Maybe they're a weapon. Wossname who started the corporation was dealing in weaponry for a while, according to that website.

KatG
October 6th, 2005, 06:23 PM
Really intrigued by Tok'ra Hostess' and Foolish Pleasure's theories.

I like it much better than the idea that they're in purgatory.

I enjoyed this episode. Wish we'd learned a bit more about Locke, like why he was in a wheelchair, but at least we know where Helen fits in.

The biggest shock came from the previews next week with Jin speaking English. I had to rewind and watch it again. I'm wondering if it's true or some trick to throw us off. I know there were times I thought Jin understood perfectly what everyone was saying.

Talisman
October 7th, 2005, 03:26 AM
Regarding Jin speaking english in the preview, it's probably a dream sequence or something...

Now Orientation: Excellent episode. It was nice to see more of Locke and the departure of Desmond was well done and left it open for him to return. I'm very interested in how Hurley deals with the numbers inside the Hatch (or should I say Swan Station?). While it was a good episode, I think that they may have revealed a bit too much. Dharma may explain most of, if not all of the mysteries in the series: the monster is an advanced security system, the Others are researchers left behind who transcended their physical bodies, the polar bears are part of the experiment, etc. I hope this isn't the case because otherwise the show's going to suck, unless they introduce more mysteries...:(And we now have an idea of why people got sick and died. Exposure to abnormally high levels of electromagnetic radiation in a hot environment (tropical island/jungle) cause cancers to develop in soft tissue (eyes, brain, spine). It can also suppress the immune system.

FoolishPleasure
October 7th, 2005, 04:58 AM
Remember long ago when Rosseau said she changed the message being transmitted at the radio tower? I wonder if that had anything to do with no replacements coming to the hatch, because the original message was "the numbers".

Anubis
October 7th, 2005, 08:19 AM
Nice episode. However, it's certainly concentrating on the hatch more than anything else. We haven't seen much of the other survivors. I understand that this new story will take a few episodes to set-up, but still. ;) It seems that we'll be seeing some more of them next week; going by the trailer. :)

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 7th, 2005, 08:31 AM
Remember long ago when Rosseau said she changed the message being transmitted at the radio tower? I wonder if that had anything to do with no replacements coming to the hatch, because the original message was "the numbers".


Astute! Of course, that makes sense. It also lends credence to the idea that inputing the numbers has no effect whatsoever....

Except psychologically. No doubt Jack pressed "execute" thinking that he could discover the truth at his leisure, but how many times will he have to agree to pressing "execute" before he can't not do it?

ShadowMaat
October 7th, 2005, 08:48 AM
I actually wondered if the French team were supposed to be the replacements or some kind of repair crew. I can't remember what Rousseau said, although I think she implied they wound up there by accident. Still, might be an interesting twist.

DJFavorite
October 7th, 2005, 09:09 AM
I looked at the episode recaps and the French woman said she ended up on the island when thier Research vessel sank. Perhaps she was doing research as part of Dharma.

FoolishPleasure
October 7th, 2005, 10:43 AM
I looked at the episode recaps and the French woman said she ended up on the island when thier Research vessel sank. Perhaps she was doing research as part of Dharma.
The French team WAS doing some sort of scientific stuff. Dang, I need to get the season 1 DVD's. :D

memnarch
October 7th, 2005, 04:13 PM
Hmmm, regarding the numbers and the computer, I don't think that pressing "execute" is a good idea. For, remember, Walt said "Don't press the button, the button is bad." :cool: I wonder what it does...and when we'll find out...

Qtyled
October 8th, 2005, 04:29 AM
Im wondering if Jin speaking english is going to be an episode from Jin's point of view and everyone else around him is speaking jibberish?

ShadowMaat
October 8th, 2005, 05:33 AM
Thanks for the reminder. I developed a theory about that last night while rewatching the ep.

If I'm not mistaken, one of the other survivors who helped drag Jin & co. to the pit looked decidedly Asian/Korean. Maybe she knows Jin and we're going to see HER flashback/recounting of something he did... only we're going to hear it in English because she speaks English. :) It could be some way of "proving" that Jin and his friends are too much trouble to keep around. Given the kind of work Jin was doing for Sun's father, you couldn't blame her for thinking it.

GateGeak
October 8th, 2005, 07:20 AM
Im wondering if Jin speaking english is going to be an episode from Jin's point of view and everyone else around him is speaking jibberish?

Jin had a point of view flash back last season and it wasn't in English. I'm leaning towards "another weird occurrence" on the island. Or due to his brutal background working for his father-in-law he hasn't felt the need to reveal his second language till now. I only say this because I'm sure some would say that Jin had plenty of other opportunities to speak English before now, but he seems to be very disiplined and strict in his ways, and maybe he didn’t want to be a hypocrite after what happened between he and his wife. Could be an "honor" thing.

I am guessing something significant happens in the next ep that he feels its time to blurt something important out that everyone isn't going "what, what? I don't understand!?"

ItsDan
October 8th, 2005, 08:21 AM
I justed watcht he Jin shot again. I don't think it can be a flashback, his hair it entirely different. The hair in his 'everything will change' is his 'island after 40 days' hair, not his 'respectable businessman' hair. Also appears to be a scratch above his eye.

The location he's in is really vague, it could be the bunker, or it could be somewhere new.

Personally I still think it might be a 'promo' shot. The fact that he speaks with NO accent seems too much of a stretch to me for the character, whereas the actor speaks English as his first language.


Did Walt say don't push the button? I'm pretty sure he said "don't open it, it's evil" (the hatch presumably) which frankly seems odd knowing what we know now. The hatch isn't in any way 'evil', its a laboratory. It also is a shelter, stocked with food and ammo, etc.

GateGeak
October 8th, 2005, 08:40 AM
Personally I still think it might be a 'promo' shot. The fact that he speaks with NO accent seems too much of a stretch to me for the character, whereas the actor speaks English as his first language.


I can't remember one ep of Lost using actor promo's as a sneak peak for the following weeks ep. I do agree however Jin speaking English without an accent is a little odd which brings me back to my thought on his past. Maybe he was a spy for his government? or a double agent for another? All I know is each ep answers one question with 10 more questions.

This continuing "questions" brings up a point; I am still enjoying the show at the moment, BUT I think the writers and producers of the show might be making a mistake if they continue to be SO vague and or leave us hanging SO much week after week. For example look how pissed everyone was at the cliff hanger last season end. Letting us go all summer without knowing what was in the hatch!?!?! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy suspence, but too much can ruin a show.

I know this is a little of topic, forgive my rant, but I think LOST may jump the shark sooner rather than later. I've said this a hundred times already, this show would have made a great "one seasoner" or mini-series. But I don't think it has enough to last 5+ seasons like being discused in other topics.

ShadowMaat
October 8th, 2005, 09:05 AM
Unless Jin is the male Asian equivalent of Sydney Bristow, I just don't think he's a good enough actor to pull off that big a charade for that long. I'd be very disappointed if they decided to have him speaking English as if he'd known it all along. I LOVE the fact that he doesn't speak English. It's part of what makes him so cool.

I still say it's something from another character's perspective. I hope so, anyway.

GateGeak
October 8th, 2005, 09:16 AM
Unless Jin is the male Asian equivalent of Sydney Bristow, I just don't think he's a good enough actor to pull off that big a charade for that long.

Was it that obvious that I'm an Alias fan too? :)

Bottom line is J.J. Abrhams has been known to pull a few surprises in his shows, so nothing would surprise me at this point. I'm waiting for Michael Vartan to show up as one of the "Others" since he's been "killed of".

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 8th, 2005, 04:13 PM
A poster over at Lost-Media posted this interesting easter egg:

"On www.thehansofoundation.org there is a link to active projects on the website. It gives you access denied messages to every one of the active projects you click on. However, when you've clicked on all of them and you put your mouse over the last listed project the words "Dharma Initiative" will appear. It is a link to the video seen on Episode 3 about station 3 and the safety precautions that Locke and Jack saw. Don't know if anyone has pointed this out but if you see the end of the video where it zooms in to that guy in the window he looks a little bit like the actor who plays Lockes father on the show. BTW the video at the end said copyright 1980."

"Apparently, Dharma Industries has its own website as well. http://www.dharmaindustries.com also displays a link to http://www.kraftkost.se/_login.asp

Qtyled
October 8th, 2005, 08:19 PM
Jin had a point of view flash back last season and it wasn't in English. I'm leaning towards "another weird occurrence" on the island. Or due to his brutal background working for his father-in-law he hasn't felt the need to reveal his second language till now. I only say this because I'm sure some would say that Jin had plenty of other opportunities to speak English before now, but he seems to be very disiplined and strict in his ways, and maybe he didn’t want to be a hypocrite after what happened between he and his wife. Could be an "honor" thing.

I am guessing something significant happens in the next ep that he feels its time to blurt something important out that everyone isn't going "what, what? I don't understand!?"
It doesn't necessarily have to be a "flashback" episode about Jin. I just mean it could be from Jin's perspective when they are on the island.

gatebee
October 8th, 2005, 10:20 PM
I have watched it and for me it poses more questions than answers.

I agree the computer countdown is just a mind control.

And the food, shouldn't some if it expired by this time.

Where is all the electricity coming from.

If Desmond never left his quarantine, how come when he left it he just walks out w/o any fears what so ever after all those years.

Qtyled
October 8th, 2005, 11:12 PM
I think it is also interesting how the countdown flicks over to zero, and then resets when John presses execute. Nothing bad happens!?!

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Jonzey
October 9th, 2005, 04:57 AM
While it was a good episode, I think that they may have revealed a bit too much. Dharma may explain most of, if not all of the mysteries in the series: the monster is an advanced security system, the Others are researchers left behind who transcended their physical bodies, the polar bears are part of the experiment, etc. I hope this isn't the case because otherwise the show's going to suck, unless they introduce more mysteries...:(
That is very true. The thing I like about Lost is that there's so many mysteries and unexplained stuff. If it turns out that there's a logical and rational explanation for everything I'd be pretty disappointed.

FoolishPleasure
October 9th, 2005, 08:08 AM
A poster over at Lost-Media posted this interesting easter egg:

"On www.thehansofoundation.org there is a link to active projects on the website. It gives you access denied messages to every one of the active projects you click on. However, when you've clicked on all of them and you put your mouse over the last listed project the words "Dharma Initiative" will appear. It is a link to the video seen on Episode 3 about station 3 and the safety precautions that Locke and Jack saw. Don't know if anyone has pointed this out but if you see the end of the video where it zooms in to that guy in the window he looks a little bit like the actor who plays Lockes father on the show. BTW the video at the end said copyright 1980."

"Apparently, Dharma Industries has its own website as well. http://www.dharmaindustries.com also displays a link to http://www.kraftkost.se/_login.asp

I got to the "Dharma Initiative" but there was nothing after that. Either "they" took the orientation film down, or too many people tried to view it and crashed it.

Simonthefurling
October 9th, 2005, 11:11 AM
Good ep.

You know, I'm beginning to think that there was no plane crash. I bet that in that tv universe there isn't even an Oceanic Airlines. I think that this group was drugged and dropped onto this island and certain expendable subjects were mortally injured so that the halucinating test subjects would interpret their situation as a plane crash. I bet the pilot is a member of Dharma and safe and sound in another sector ATM. His death was waaay too random.



Heh...I think the pilot being in there was to give JJ Abrams a chance to include his life long pal Greg Grunberg in the show...I wouldnt read too much into it.

Darren
October 9th, 2005, 06:15 PM
I think Jin really speaks English, and the network just spoiled it to try and tease people into tuning in (as if 20 million weren't already).

Talisman
October 10th, 2005, 03:07 AM
Where is all the electricity coming from.The electricity is generated by electro magnetic induction.

In episode 2x01 there's a scene where Jack gets to the bottom of the shaft and is looking around. The key hanging around his neck is pulled towards the bricked up tunnel by magnetism. There's a big electric motor/generator behind the wall.

A coil of wire spun in a magnetic field will produce AC electricity if the coil is spun at a constant speed. You can use an electric motor to get the coil spining initially and once the generator is running it requires less power to keep the coil spining so the excess will create electricity to power the bunker.

Simonthefurling
October 10th, 2005, 06:48 AM
I think Jin really speaks English, and the network just spoiled it to try and tease people into tuning in (as if 20 million weren't already).

I agree, or at least I hope thats the case.

twiggy
October 10th, 2005, 01:42 PM
I think Jin really speaks English, and the network just spoiled it to try and tease people into tuning in (as if 20 million weren't already).
agreed! I personally think that he could speak english all along, and only faked not being able to so as to not blow his cover with Sun. And once she showed that she could speak english, he felt like since he made a big deal out of her keeping it from him, he had to not show that he can too. or else he'd have to eat his words.

KatG
October 10th, 2005, 02:13 PM
I think Jin really speaks English, and the network just spoiled it to try and tease people into tuning in (as if 20 million weren't already).

I've always suspected that he could. There were hints all throughout S1.

chicagorob1
October 10th, 2005, 02:27 PM
Just a few questions:

1. Why is there so much untouched food in the bunker. The storeroom is FULL. If Desmond and Kelvin(?) were there for years, shouldn't that room be almost bare? Is the whole bunker a stage?

2. What's in the vials that Desmond was injecting himself with? Jack was just beginning to look at them when he was interrupted.

3. Why did Desmond ignore all of the banging on the hatch, but turn on the light every once in a while, especially when Locke was pounding on it?

4. Alvar Hanso looks like William B. Davis, the actor who played the Cigarette Smoing Man from the X-Files.

5. Did anyone notice the large red EXIT sign over the scientist's shoulder whille he was talking about keeping the countdown time running. The rest of the film's backdrop is dark and generic. The red sign jumps out. Coincidence?

6. Has anyone looked at the pattern of the dots and dashes in the Dharma Initiative logo? Could it be Morse code or something like it? I looked up Morse but it doesn't quite fit with a regular alphabet. There might be something there.

FoolishPleasure
October 11th, 2005, 05:56 AM
1. Why is there so much untouched food in the bunker. The storeroom is FULL. If Desmond and Kelvin(?) were there for years, shouldn't that room be almost bare? Is the whole bunker a stage?

Jack tried to get Desmond to answer that question, but Desmond ran off.


2. What's in the vials that Desmond was injecting himself with? Jack was just beginning to look at them when he was interrupted.

You would think that Jack (being a doctor) would be VERY interested in any meds - not only to know what Desmond was up to, but to see if they could be beneficial to any of the other survivors. Certainly they are short of all meds by now.


3. Why did Desmond ignore all of the banging on the hatch, but turn on the light every once in a while, especially when Locke was pounding on it?
The light still seems to be a mystery.


5. Did anyone notice the large red EXIT sign over the scientist's shoulder whille he was talking about keeping the countdown time running. The rest of the film's backdrop is dark and generic. The red sign jumps out. Coincidence?

6. Has anyone looked at the pattern of the dots and dashes in the Dharma Initiative logo? Could it be Morse code or something like it? I looked up Morse but it doesn't quite fit with a regular alphabet. There might be something there.

I need to see that film again. Bah, everytime I think of watching it on the Hanso page, I'm at work and can't. *LOL* The idea of morse code on the film is interesting! I can't decipher it though. Any military types around who can check?

GateGeak
October 11th, 2005, 07:36 AM
agreed! I personally think that he could speak english all along, and only faked not being able to so as to not blow his cover with Sun. And once she showed that she could speak english, he felt like since he made a big deal out of her keeping it from him, he had to not show that he can too. or else he'd have to eat his words.

NOT to flame anyone, But boy that theory sounds familiar. Sounds a lot like what I said 3 days ago in this very same thread. It seems posts from members with low post counts get overlooked quite often.

I think there's a lot more to Jin's past than has been shown thus far. I know my comments seem to put Jin's character in Alias, but I think it could be a valid possibility.

KatG
October 11th, 2005, 09:14 AM
NOT to flame anyone, But boy that theory sounds familiar. Sounds a lot like what I said 3 days ago in this very same thread. It seems posts from members with low post counts get overlooked quite often.

I think there's a lot more to Jin's past than has been shown thus far. I know my comments seem to put Jin's character in Alias, but I think it could be a valid possibility.

Instead of assuming the worst about people, why don't you try and assume the best. It's quite possible that your post wasn't intentionally overlooked. If people use the "subscribe to thread" feature or the "new post" feature and click on "view first unread" then it's quite possible that the program skipped them past your post and they never even realized it. I know it's happened to me before. In fact it may have happened with the very post of yours we're talking about.

Instead of playing "I said it first" why don't you add to what's there and go from there.

ItsDan
October 11th, 2005, 09:35 AM
My vote is still on it being either not Jin (the actor or something) or something else. It's too much of a tip off, they NEVER give us that much information in the coming attractions.

Could also be someone elses dream sequence, similar to Claire seeing Locke in her dream.

ShadowMaat
October 11th, 2005, 09:51 AM
Oh, please! :rolleyes: We aren't seriously going to have a pissing contest over who said what first, are we?

Sometimes it's just a matter of when people are willing to entertain certain ideas. I posted lots about my theory regarding the cylons last season and folks are only now beginning to go, "Hey. what if...?" I fell like smacking my head sometimes, but what's the point of getting sulky with people over it?

And as was already said, sometimes posts just get overlooked. It isn't a deliberate and malicious attempt to dump on a newbie, it's just a fact of life.

How about adding to the theory and spinning off ideas instead of b****ing about bragging rights.

For instance: While I still don't like the idea of Jin being an English speaker, what if he's in on the whole Dharma project? Or maybe Dharma is Lost's version of Rambaldi and Jin is some superspy who just happened to fall into it. If you'll pardon the pun. ;) Maybe Jin is Hanso's illegitimate son! :eek:

Anything's possible. ;)

ShadowMaat
October 11th, 2005, 12:56 PM
From the sourcecode of Dharma Industries:


<META NAME="description" CONTENT="Dharma Industries, one time supply!">

One time supply? Dare I ask, "Of what?"

ItsDan
October 12th, 2005, 07:15 AM
I think Jin being in on it is a bit of a stretch. While most of the people have secrets and such, I think the information we see in the flashbacks are reliable. We seem to have a fairly clear picture of Jin's history, being the son of a fisherman, working his way to a low level laborer (waiter, and presumably other similar jobs), and getting his break with Sun's father.

I suppose he could have been involved between being sent to intimidate the minister and the plane crash, the dog he brings home is much more grown up, so it would have to be a couple years. Kind of has a 'Cube' feel to it (the movie). People slowly realized that many of them had some random connection to the mysterious location they were in.


Did anyone hear the radio spot for the show? Almost the same words, "now everything will change" were part of it, but it didn't sound like Jin, even without the accent.

Perhaps Jin is repeating something he heard in English, but it would have an accent (ie, 'udders! udders!').

GateGeak
October 12th, 2005, 12:43 PM
Oh, please! :rolleyes: We aren't seriously going to have a pissing contest over who said what first, are we?

Sometimes it's just a matter of when people are willing to entertain certain ideas. I posted lots about my theory regarding the cylons last season and folks are only now beginning to go, "Hey. what if...?" I fell like smacking my head sometimes, but what's the point of getting sulky with people over it?

And as was already said, sometimes posts just get overlooked. It isn't a deliberate and malicious attempt to dump on a newbie, it's just a fact of life.

How about adding to the theory and spinning off ideas instead of b****ing about bragging rights.

For instance: While I still don't like the idea of Jin being an English speaker, what if he's in on the whole Dharma project? Or maybe Dharma is Lost's version of Rambaldi and Jin is some superspy who just happened to fall into it. If you'll pardon the pun. ;) Maybe Jin is Hanso's illegitimate son! :eek:

Anything's possible. ;)

My post was taken COMPLETELY the wrong way. I was in no way trying to say, "hey so & so ripped of my post, hoo-hoo." I wasn't trying to come off pointing fingers and staking claim to a point of view for bragging rights either. Sorry if it came off that way. I'm not here to say, "Hey I said that first, get an original idea."

I was only trying to say I found that at times post written by "newbie’s" or people with a low post count get completely skipped over sometimes and maybe one if any other members posts reply, while a similar post by a member who's been around a while gets noticed and acknowledged more frequently.

So, I apologize if this took the topic off on a tangent and this is the last you'll hear about such from me.

Back to the topic at hand, No I don't buy the Rembaldi link, but thanks for the example. BTW, have you been to the official ALIAS site lately? Michael Vartan/Vaughan's BIO has been completely removed.

I did however watch the preview for tonight’s ep again and noticed that when Jin does talk in English, he appears to be and a "cleaner" environment. It looked like he was in a room with decent lights over head, not a flickering fluorescent light. Even kinda looked like a room with a white ceiling. Guess we'll see tonight.

Woodshed
October 15th, 2005, 08:33 AM
Hi All

New here, hope I don't get flamed on my first post.(and please move it if its in the wrong place)
I'm a UK viewer that has just overdosed on Lost episodes for the past week to bring me right up to this epsiode. Phew, it was fun and frustrating in just about equal amounts, interesting enough to keep me thinking I'll give it just one more episode. Thats not to say I don't like it, guess I must do otherwise I wouldn't have watched them all and taken the time to post here, but I find it incredibly annoying some times.

Most of the suspension and intrigue comes from the simple fact nobody ever sits down and talks about things. No one ever asks obvious questions or gives clear answers, but anyway on to my point for the post. And I can't believe how they just take stuff in their stride, wild animals, galleons, underground bases, murders etc. Still no one seems bothered about walking around in the jungle all by themselves.

Don't you think this thing has got to be much bigger than just the island?
On the surface of it you've got a bunch of people all around the globe getting on a plane for their own reasons (claire, kate, locke being exceptions) So if something is controlling their actions this far away form the island then it has to be something of biblical proportions (quite literally)

Another question I have is, we are constanly reminded about how 'special' the main characters are, hwo their flashbacks overlap etc - so what about the other faceless passengers, are they special too or just polar bear fodder, unfortunate enough to be caught up in the story?

Loads more questions later.

ItsDan
October 16th, 2005, 04:54 AM
When you see Hurley try to cut in line to get past security to get to the plane, you see Arnz (Artz?, whatever) say to the guy infront of him 'you're going to open that NOW?). I think we see him maybe 1 other time in a flashback, but that might be it. I think it's more a matter of we just haven't been shown how those people fit in yet. Anna Lucia was in a flashback before she was important to the show as well.

Qasim
November 20th, 2005, 10:01 AM
Damn previews - misleading or what

Metarock Sam
May 3rd, 2006, 01:26 PM
All I can say is wow !!!
First of we had the rafters getting beaten up by these others who cant be the others if they know the flight is fight 815 and therfore I reckon they are all from the tail end of the plane and who knows by the looks of them they may think that the rafters are the others.
Then we have Desmond and his computer almost being destroyed and then theres that film. Wow that sheds light on alot of things such as why there were Polar Bears and possibly why the plane crashed. (Electro magnetic testing will defintaly muck up planes expecially if you use something like an EM Pulse which knocks out most technology in a wide radius.)
Locke is facing a moral dilemma I wonder if we will find out why Locke wasnt able to walk soon.
Jack taking the leap of faith. I wonder what happens when they dont excecute and if this really is a mind game or not.
Hurley found the food yay !!!!! well Kate found it first but still !!!!!!
Sayid saves the day or perhaps prolongs the inevitable.
I cant wait for episode 4 !!!

thistledown
September 17th, 2006, 08:27 PM
I'm sorry. This is just driving me crazy and I have to say it.
I don't mean to be anal, perhaps it's just making me crazy because I'm Canadian.

Everyone keeps saying "Jin is speaking English without an accent".

He IS speaking with an accent.

An AMERICAN accent. To non-Americans, it's very much "an accent".

Sorry.
AHEM!
silly, "female-dog"-thing over.
:)
AT