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April 27th, 2004, 10:26 PM
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<FONT SIZE=4 COLOR="#0066BF"><B>ENTITY</B></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 420</FONT>
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The S.G.C. is invaded by an alien life force that takes up residence in the base computer system -- and in Major Carter.

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Jeff O'Connor
May 19th, 2004, 10:29 AM
I really liked the concept behind this episode, especially how it shows that after working together for so long, the team has really become a family, in their relentless care for Carter. The part where Jack shoots her though... oh, man, that was frighteningly good.

Boomer359
May 24th, 2004, 01:01 PM
Yeah, this one was well acted. RDA really made it look like it was painful for O'Neill to shoot Carter.

stargate barbie
June 16th, 2004, 02:50 PM
this is one of my favourite sam episodes. here's a drinking game for ya, every time AT blinks, take one drink. you shant be getting drunk very quickly.
i love the overall look of this episode, and i love the science versus military debate and how its done.
fantastic acting all around. teal'c doesn't have much to say in this one, but just look at his eyes. and rda looking all sad? yum. i know, i'm so shallow. :p
i love o'neill playing around with the camera though. very funny.

good, good, good episode.

bcmilco
June 16th, 2004, 03:54 PM
Yes, AT did a really good job playing a character with no lines and making it feel real.

I enjoy this episode and I think it raises some interesting military vs. science questions, and in typical Stargate fashion leaves it for the viewer to decide the answers.

The Props department came up with a very cool looking "nest" too. ;) Those guys are always amazing! :)

One little nit I have, is when Carter talks about the systems going down and she mentions "File Allocation Tables" (FAT). Any project where the data they collect is important would be using a journaling filesystem, and FAT16/32 are not journaling filesystem. Plus FAT is a very Windows related term and I highly doubt they would trust Windows to run their computers. They'd probably be using a UNIX of some form. Anymore I'd guess SELinux with openMosix for clustering.

stargate barbie
June 16th, 2004, 04:54 PM
perhaps they use a windows interface, for the primary system, and have a unix backup. but i'd guess that they'd have created their own OS to make it more difficult to break into. but then again i'm no longer dealing with computers on a serious basis and i have a tendency to completely forget anything i've learned when i've been away from it for a while (i'm stupid that way) so i'm probably completely off base on that.

bcmilco
June 16th, 2004, 07:48 PM
perhaps they use a windows interface, for the primary system, and have a unix backup.

Oh yes, I can see it now. An SG team has just sent their iris code, and Hammond orders "Open the Iris" Sgt. Davis goes to place his hand on the pad when suddenly the system locks up. Davis turns to Hammond, "Sir the computer has crashed!" The next thig we know we hear the unmistakable sound of multiple impacts against the iris. :S

No I highly doubt that they use Windows for the main system, if you sneeze in it's direction Windows gets a virus. ;)


but i'd guess that they'd have created their own OS to make it more difficult to break into.

Why reinvent the wheel? Especially with the fine grain security you can get with, for example, Solaris or SELinux ACL's :p

Of course your security is only as good as your administrator, no matter what OS you're running. ;)

omnian
June 24th, 2004, 10:21 AM
There's something a friend noticed the other day with this episode....

After the entity has invaded the SGC computers Hammond says that he's contacted all off-world teams to tell them to stay put. BUT later on he says that they can't open the Stargate and risk letting the entity out of the SGC.

Umm...so how did he contact the off-world teams exactly?

Elwe Singollo
June 24th, 2004, 12:15 PM
Maybe he contacted off-world teams before he actually told them they couldn't open the gate, well yah, that brings up a good question :)

bcmilco
June 24th, 2004, 04:27 PM
That could be explained several different ways...

One he decided that the risk was minial to contact 1 team and that team contacted all the other teams and told them to 'stay put'.

Or, more likely, at the time he contacted all the other teams he thought the alien virus was contained and he was just telling them to stay put until they were sure that everything at the SGC was back up and running. As a precaution.

Elwe Singollo
June 24th, 2004, 09:45 PM
I just skimmed through this thread, and didn't see anyone talking about it, but question, for Zats, first shot is stun right? and second shot is...?

Jafana
June 24th, 2004, 10:55 PM
I just skimmed through this thread, and didn't see anyone talking about it, but question, for Zats, first shot is stun right? and second shot is...?

...death.
third is Walla-kazam, I shall make this body disappear. :p

I think the idea behind this ep, that the second shot didnt kill sam because the entity was in her body when she was shot, rather than her.
thus, the entity died, while she was downloaded into the computer.

I was disappointed that they didnt communicate more with the entity.
and really quite annoyed at jack for provoking it into squidging into sam.
fair enough he just wanted to be prepared, but there's a difference to being prepared and being aggressive.

I guess that must be how daniel feels a lot of the time.?

Elwe Singollo
June 24th, 2004, 11:00 PM
Ok, i was confused with the second and third shot, because in that one episode where rya'c is brainwashed (but isn't really), and his new dad backstabbed SG1 and went to rat them out, but Jack followed him and shot him, and incinerated him, haha... It looked like 2 shots, but yah, i think i might have remembered he shot him twice more once he was on the ground.

I was bummed they didn't speak to Entity more either :(

bcmilco
June 24th, 2004, 11:48 PM
I was disappointed that they didnt communicate more with the entity.
and really quite annoyed at jack for provoking it into squidging into sam.
fair enough he just wanted to be prepared, but there's a difference to being prepared and being aggressive.

Wow, I never thought of it like that.

The way I saw it was that the Entity had setup the nest primarily to store itself until it could act, but ultimately as a trap for Sam or Daniel or someone, because the Entity knew that they were "more efficient sotrage vessels". I felt that the Entity was planing on jumping into a person basically from the moment it started to build the "nest".

I saw Jack's actions as having no effect on the plans of the Entity. However I do think his actions had some effect on the timing, in that the entity felt it had to act before Jack cut the power. Otherwise, I don't feel that his actions "provoked" the entity more then it already was when they wiped it from their computer systems or "attacked" it's homeworld.

Roatbaum
June 25th, 2004, 01:01 AM
This was a good one for first Jack's confusion,"I'm not getting all of my memos"And his reaction in the briefing "So were calling it a probe" Sometimes it takes so little to satisfy him. Then he is all tuff guy, no bs when Sam is threatened. He can be everybit as silly as serious.And all in one episode. Jack O'Neill rules!!!

SeaBee
June 26th, 2004, 01:15 AM
Excellent SC episode. Loved it.

Nuff said. :D

stargate barbie
June 26th, 2004, 05:04 PM
Oh yes, I can see it now. An SG team has just sent their iris code, and Hammond orders "Open the Iris" Sgt. Davis goes to place his hand on the pad when suddenly the system locks up. Davis turns to Hammond, "Sir the computer has crashed!" The next thig we know we hear the unmistakable sound of multiple impacts against the iris. :S

No I highly doubt that they use Windows for the main system, if you sneeze in it's direction Windows gets a virus. ;)



Why reinvent the wheel? Especially with the fine grain security you can get with, for example, Solaris or SELinux ACL's :p

Of course your security is only as good as your administrator, no matter what OS you're running. ;)
Well maybe they're using Windows ME

*falls off chair laughing*

bcmilco
June 26th, 2004, 09:36 PM
Well maybe they're using Windows ME

*shudders*

You know, even Microsoft tries to forget Windows Mistake Edition :p

stargate barbie
June 27th, 2004, 06:21 PM
unfortunately i'm stuck using it. my computer hates me.

Jafana
June 27th, 2004, 06:29 PM
unfortunately i'm stuck using it. my computer hates me.

ohh boy do i know that feeling.
and they say ai doesnt exist. computers are ALIVE people! they are evil and malicious (sp?). they take pleasure in trying to destroy our lives. and the more we rely on them, the more they are able to destroy!!

(the reason I feel this way is because my dvd player - i only have one in my computer - is incompatible with some of my stargate dvds! they play on my brother's player, just not mine!!!!)

they are mean, and nasty and they smell bad!


ohh, and the token topic comment -
entity rocked. lol

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 08:19 PM
Computer mind transfer... that can't be good

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 06:54 PM
she talked like Steven Hawking

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 06:47 PM
well she's almost as smart

zats
August 23rd, 2004, 04:03 PM
This is the first SG episode I ever saw, and it hooked me. AT's performance was fantastic and I suppose that's why Sam's always been my favorite character. Anyway, I saw Entity and Da told me that it wasn't even one of the better ones, so naturally I started watching every evening and here I am. But I love the look in AT's eyes when the Entity is in control: they're so totally blank, like a mask. The eyes simeltaneously scared the crud out of me and...okay, just freaked me out.

Thanks to Entity, I [heart] Stargate!

Serebii
August 26th, 2004, 02:46 PM
Did anyone else notice that Jack's file when the Entity brought it up in the briefing room said: "John O'Neill"

I mean thats a kind of obvious blunder to make

Or did I miss something...

Crazedwraith
August 27th, 2004, 01:52 AM
Did anyone else notice that Jack's file when the Entity brought it up in the briefing room said: "John O'Neill"

I mean thats a kind of obvious blunder to make

Or did I miss something...
Jacks justs a nickname IIRC. His real name is Jonathan "Jack" O'Neill.

Serebii
August 27th, 2004, 12:49 PM
Jacks justs a nickname IIRC. His real name is Jonathan "Jack" O'Neill.
How the heck does that work o,o

ThreeFriesShortOfaHappyMeal
November 28th, 2004, 11:56 AM
I still wonder, if that place was a home of the ancients, what the hell happened?

greytop
November 30th, 2004, 08:24 AM
I like how Sam told them that she was still around at the end, when she was still the computer, I believe it was the MALPs computer.

Mr Prophet
November 30th, 2004, 08:40 AM
Jacks justs a nickname IIRC. His real name is Jonathan "Jack" O'Neill.

Or presumably, John 'Jack' O'Neill, and as anyone who ever acted in or watched The Importance of Being Earnest while at school or college will know, Jack is a notorious domesticity for John.

What I really liked about this episode - aside from AT's twitchy acting - was the confrontation between Jack and Daniel after Sam's been possessed, where neither one of them will back down because neither one of them is wrong.

Sheyna-Lou
December 30th, 2004, 09:13 AM
Here's a point, when Carter says at the end of Entity, "I was calling for you to here." She looks directly at Jack. Anyone ever consider that she was calling for Jack to hear? And then he starts tapping at the bed, like he wants to hold her hand but can't pluck up the courage. Hehe: shameless S/J shipper. :D So, is it just me or did anyone else pick that up?

Psy-veg :p

zats
March 13th, 2005, 01:22 PM
Ooh, I like that idea! :D

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 14th, 2005, 07:03 AM
I rather liked this episode. Good balance of humor with serious problem. Gotta give AT credit, for pulling off a different character very effectively with technically not saying anything. That fierce look on her face when the lightning's coming out of her hands was just scary. I loved watching how everyone interacted with The Entity (even if there was some Matrix rip-off stuff going on)

And I always forget this ep has some hilarious moments. The very begining exchange between Jack, Daniel and Teal'c is priceless, as is Jack playing around with the camera.

Mr Prophet
March 14th, 2005, 07:50 AM
Here's a point, when Carter says at the end of Entity, "I was calling for you to here." She looks directly at Jack. Anyone ever consider that she was calling for Jack to hear? And then he starts tapping at the bed, like he wants to hold her hand but can't pluck up the courage. Hehe: shameless S/J shipper. :D So, is it just me or did anyone else pick that up?

Psy-veg :p

I just figured the Entity had made a compressed copy of itself that was hiding in her finger, waiting for the right moment to break out.

astrogeologist
March 22nd, 2005, 02:10 PM
.
For Season 4's Entity:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/entity5panel100.jpg
Communicating with the Entity

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/EntityFirstshotmakesitmad.jpg
Jack's first shot with the zat does not stun the Entity... it just seems to make it angrier.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/EntityJacktakesthesecondshot.jpg
Jack takes the second shot... and Sam collapses.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/EntityItsDead.jpg
Two zat shots.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/EntitySamnobrainactivity.jpg
Sam's body is on life support and there is no brainwave activity from either the Entity or Sam.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/EntitySamIamHere.jpg
I am here!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/EntityIwasshouting.jpg
O'NEILL: Hey Carter, where you been?
CARTER: It's gone?
HAMMOND: Yes it is.
CARTER: I was shouting for you to hear.
O'NEILL: We heard.
.
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Photos are screen caps from the episode Entity
Transcript excerpt is from the Stargate SG-1 Transcript website (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm)
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Mr Prophet
March 23rd, 2005, 06:53 AM
Well, somebody's going to be popular with the dial-ups.

greytop
March 23rd, 2005, 07:14 AM
Well, somebody's going to be popular with the dial-ups.
It's also hard on those with DSL. (Loads to slow for me).

hidden_envy
March 27th, 2005, 09:27 AM
jeesh, she must have had one hell of a headache when she woke up... :D

jckfan55
March 27th, 2005, 01:07 PM
.
For Season 4's Entity:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/entity5panel100.jpg
Communicating with the Entity
Photos are screen caps from the episode Entity
Transcript excerpt is from the Stargate SG-1 Transcript website (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm)
.

I think the look in the photo 2nd from the right is the "mom look" that will stop kids in their tracks. :)

fair_nymph
April 9th, 2005, 05:32 PM
Great acting on AT's part -- she continues to impress me with her subtely and range of facial expressions (or lack thereof to some exent in this case). I wonder how conscious Sam was of the entity's presence while it was controlling her?

I laughed out loud when Jack got out the BOLT CUTTER (overkill, much?) and poised it over the cable to the emergency light system, threatening the entity. Although it was an aggressive move on his part, I would have done the same. A nd the fact that the entity immediately jumped into Sam in response demonstrated to me that it wasn't all that friendly or concerned about the humans' well-being.

valaCB
April 12th, 2005, 06:00 AM
it was boring episode BUT Jack was amazingly funny.
'do i look fat?`
`Im not getting all my memos'
'so do bacteria!'
LOL LOL

QuiGonJohn
May 29th, 2005, 02:39 PM
I liked the episode but would have liked to find out more about the entity. Was it really an alien intelligence or an advanced artificial intelligence program? I would have thought they'd be able to communicate with it, if it were an alien intelligence, that our probe was not hostile and that we could send it back and then we would never go to their world again.

Abydosian
May 30th, 2005, 01:48 AM
Overall, I enjoyed this episode. It was nice to see Jack's reactions to the entity and threatening it at the end.


Although it was an aggressive move on his part, I would have done the same. A nd the fact that the entity immediately jumped into Sam in response demonstrated to me that it wasn't all that friendly or concerned about the humans' well-being.

Hmm, I disagree there - In the episode where Jollinar moves into Sam, most pepole accepted that as just trying to survive. Just because the entity is not alive as people acknowledge it, doesn't make it different. They were both just trying to survive against impending death.

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 04:21 AM
The `Im not getting all my memos' was great in this episode and so was AT's acting!!

walter_MacChevron
September 17th, 2005, 11:25 AM
Episode was alright but I loved AT's acting!

Ascendant
September 19th, 2005, 12:56 AM
This was a good one for first Jack's confusion,"I'm not getting all of my memos"And his reaction in the briefing "So were calling it a probe" Sometimes it takes so little to satisfy him.
I loved that part. You could tell he was feeling completely out of his depth, because there was nothing to shoot and all he could do was step aside and let the really smart people figure things out. He's trying hard to be helpful but unobtrusive, so when they finally accept his name for the entity he gets that little "I'm helpful" smile.

I also liked his interactions with the Probe when it was still in its "infancy". He's great with kids, and the Probe automatically takes an interest in him and plays with him a little bit with the camera. Right in the middle of their game, someone shuts off the power and he goes "heeeey!"

Personally, I'm all about the AIs. I love shows with robots that act human. So I loved the first part of the show, right up until the Probe zaps into Sam. I can kind of accept that kind of thing happening, but it just gets so creepy and cold and serious after that (aside from the Probe-In-Sam saluting Jack like he did to the camera earlier).

What really bothers me is the whole "Sam in the Machine" bit, though. I just don't buy that a person's consciousness could be completely transferred into a machine and then transferred out again, with apparently no ill effects. It might have worked if they even gave us a simple "how" for it. We're just supposed to accept that It's Magic. I could picture that sort of thing happening on Farscape, but not Stargate...


I still wonder, if that place was a home of the ancients, what the hell happened?
That was the other thing that I found cool about this episode. The machine world was neat, and it was made even more interesting because we know that it must have some connection to the Ancients - but it still bugs me that they introduced that plotline but never tied it up in the episode.

Incidentally, it's pretty funny to slow-motion through the personnel files that the Probe scans through while identifying SG-1 in the briefing room. I'm fairly sure that several of the people shown are on the crew. One screen shows a guy that is apparently on SG-1 with the rank "Master". Another gives a detailed analysis of how to skin and barbeque an Unas for maximum flavor potential.

If anyone else reads anything funny off of the personnel files, I'd love to hear it. ;)

Albion
September 19th, 2005, 01:31 AM
Definitely one of my all time favourite episodes. For the great blend of humour, angst and drama, the team moments and the ship. This one just seemed to gather all the elements that interest me in particular and put them into one great episode.

Too many favourite bits to mention - but I do adore the scene where Jack goes all Black Ops on us and threatens the probe head on. Very tense, very chilling and you really get a glimpse of the dark side of Jack O'Neill.

AT, as others have said, was very impressive throughout. And Daniel has some wonderful moments. His conversation with Jack when he tells him Sam wasn't wrong to try and communite with the probe and when he tells the probe that they don't care about its information they just want Sam back, two in particular that always strike a chord with me.

One thing which always amuses me in the scene with the voice machine is that Jack interrupts it. :p Surely this is impossible? As I understand it, Sam types what she wants to say into the machine, and the machine then relays that into mechanical speech. So whatever comes out of the machine must already be complete when it begins speaking. (Sam always stops typing before it starts to translate her words). So when Jack interrupts it, it should just carry on speaking until the end of its pre-typed sentence. Instead, it cuts off, as though he's speaking to a person, rather than a machine:


O'NEILL: The one you're talking about is a person. Her name is Major Samantha Carter.

ENTITY: Then I am Major --

O'NEILL: No. No you're not.

Still, a glitch that can easily be forgiven since it's such a great moment with O'Neill hastily jumping in to deny it's claim to be Carter.

And did I note Jack trying to resist the temptation to reach out and touch her at the end? You betcha! :D

This is one that I'm glad I have on DVD. Otherwise it would be worn away to nothing by now, given the repeat plays it's had over the years! Whenever I'm in the mood for something team/ship/dramatic/humourous that will leave me with a warm glow by the end credits, this is what I reach for.

Albion :)

Ascendant
September 21st, 2005, 08:05 PM
That voice machine is operated by magic. It's funny to hear Sam/Probe press three keys, then hear a ten-word sentence come out of the machine. It's understandable why they'd do that, but it's still funny.

sharnee_1823
November 28th, 2005, 03:53 AM
A few people have noticed that when the entity read Jack's file, the name displayed on the screen was " O'Neill, John. " Perhaps this was the one reference in the entire series (at least that I can find) to the name given to him in the original movie, which, in the end credits was Jonathan "Jack" O'Neil.

Mr Prophet
November 28th, 2005, 09:14 AM
A few people have noticed that when the entity read Jack's file, the name displayed on the screen was " O'Neill, John. " Perhaps this was the one reference in the entire series (at least that I can find) to the name given to him in the original movie, which, in the end credits was Jonathan "Jack" O'Neil.

It's actually one of the main differences, that one is Jonathon the other John. Jack is a common diminutive of John or Jonathon and while common as a Christian name in its own right these days, it would be quite unusual for someone of Jack's age to have been christened so.

AGateFan
November 28th, 2005, 03:24 PM
A few people have noticed that when the entity read Jack's file, the name displayed on the screen was " O'Neill, John. " Perhaps this was the one reference in the entire series (at least that I can find) to the name given to him in the original movie, which, in the end credits was Jonathan "Jack" O'Neil.
Whats funny is I was about 100% sure the champain he sent to Atlantis in RISING had his name as Jonathon "Jack" O'Neill. Because I remember stopping my VCR and rewinding because i couldnt read it at first. But when I watch the DVDs it just says Jack O'Neill..... I think they "fixed" that, like how they changed the "I wonder if it gets showtime" line ro "hmmmm goa'uld TVvv" when they moved to syndication\scifi.

skeezix
February 8th, 2006, 10:34 PM
To me this episode had a corny premise with the whole being in the computer stuff. But it was executed pretty well, I totally did not expect Jack to zat Carter twice. Jack wanting to call it a probe was classic Jack. To the person that said Jack resists the urge to reach out and touch her, I didn't notice that, I'll have to watch it again. I really liked the part where Jack interrupted Daniel telling the Entity that we would send probe after probe and Hammond chimes in perfect Texas Hammond fashion, "Damn right we can." Kind of a hokey premise but well executed and turned out to be a good Jack/Sam episode.

Jump237
May 3rd, 2006, 02:27 PM
what was really corny about this episode is the surveillance cams in the SGC, which clearly have no servo motors for remote pan and tilt or power zoom, are able to do exactly that, with the requisite servo sound effects added to convince us idiots otherwise.

captain jake
May 3rd, 2006, 02:36 PM
I just decide to ignore little unimportant details like that. (Personally)

Chelle DB
May 5th, 2006, 03:45 AM
I loved this episode because of the way O'Niell reacted to the Entity/Sam. The emotions that all the characters were showing was such a change to what we had been previously exposed to that it was quite refreshing. Nice episode but not on the top of my most favorite list.:)

captain jake
May 5th, 2006, 04:07 PM
I thought jack was foolish to let sam go to the computer. He should have gone with his first instinct and blown it up!

Mattathias2.0
May 11th, 2006, 03:18 PM
This episode illustrates classic SG-1!

Mattathias

captain jake
May 11th, 2006, 03:29 PM
Why did the entity choose sam she could have manipulated general hammond, why not the leader of the base?

Mr Prophet
May 12th, 2006, 07:12 AM
Why did the entity choose sam she could have manipulated general hammond, why not the leader of the base?

Because General Hammond didn't try to work the keyboard.

captain jake
May 12th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Well duh! But she pulled carter in, she could have attracted hammond some other way.

Mr Prophet
May 12th, 2006, 11:30 PM
But it didn't choose Sam because she was Sam, it chose her because she wanted to talk to it and could therefore be lured. If not her it would have settled for Daniel, but Hammond - like Jack or Teal'c - would have been too cautious.

Moreover, it was plainly unable to pose as Sam in any way, so what good would it be for it to occupy Hammond? No-one would have believed it was Hammond unless it could sell a sudden total loss of voice and attack of weird twitching.

captain jake
May 14th, 2006, 05:24 AM
True.

Albion
May 14th, 2006, 08:43 AM
But it didn't choose Sam because she was Sam,

Actually, the entity very clearly indicated that Sam was deliberately targeted:


FRAISER: We understand you have taken control of Major Carter, but you're not her.

ENTITY: There was no other choice. No other place to go. You wish to terminate.

O'NEILL: Still do.

ENTITY: But you will not. Not now. I have observed. You value the life of one.

O'NEILL: Yes we do.

ENTITY: This one is important.

O'NEILL: She is.

ENTITY: For this reason, this one was chosen. You will not terminate this one in order to destroy me.

FRAISER: It went into Sam out of self preservation.

ENTITY: I cannot be removed from this mind without terminating. You will not terminate this one. None of you will. Therefore I will survive.

Although I'm a J/S shipper, I'm not sure I entirely agree with the entity that Sam was more important or special than the rest of SG1. But it clearly believed that the others and Hammond cared enough about her that they wouldn't risk her life to target it. And that is why it chose her to inhabit. Jack, of course, proved this theory to be wrong. ;)

Albion :)

Mr Prophet
May 14th, 2006, 08:48 AM
But for that purpose, Daniel would have done just as well and was just as likely to be captured by the lure that it used.

captain jake
May 14th, 2006, 09:55 AM
also true.

Pharaoh Atem
May 23rd, 2006, 05:10 PM
this espiode sucked seriously

captain jake
May 28th, 2006, 06:10 PM
Why do you say that?

jckfan55
May 28th, 2006, 06:16 PM
Actually, the entity very clearly indicated that Sam was deliberately targeted:



Although I'm a J/S shipper, I'm not sure I entirely agree with the entity that Sam was more important or special than the rest of SG1. But it clearly believed that the others and Hammond cared enough about her that they wouldn't risk her life to target it. And that is why it chose her to inhabit. Jack, of course, proved this theory to be wrong. ;)

Albion :)
We see the Entity watching through the cameras. Hammond etc. are always consulting with Sam about how to fix the problem. That could indicate her importance to it. I think one of the better parts of the episodes is the idea that Sam or any of them would have to be sacrificed to save Earth and how hard that is to deal with when it's not in the abstract, but is a friend you're talking about.

captain jake
May 28th, 2006, 08:10 PM
I think the entity chose carter because she was the most likely to touch the keyboard.

However the entity could have set it up anyway it wanted to WHY CARTER! The entire team is just as valuable.

(Easiest I suppose)

RepliCartertje
May 29th, 2006, 06:29 AM
I think the entity chose carter because she was the most likely to touch the keyboard.

However the entity could have set it up anyway it wanted to WHY CARTER! The entire team is just as valuable.

(Easiest I suppose)
Yeah i also think that. Carter is the one who knows the most of computers so she was the one person that could try to do something with it. And cause she was curieus of what it was she wanted to communicate with it.
I also think that the entity knew that, and that is why he made that.

Yes everyone is valuable but I think the entity noticed Carters behaviour and therefor it wanted her cos she knows the most of those computers and things, and she wasn't able to help Sg1 to rescue herself

Albion
May 29th, 2006, 06:52 AM
I think the entity chose carter because she was the most likely to touch the keyboard.

Actually, I wonder about that one. As a lure to to get Carter, it seems to me that the entity took a very large risk. Surely, out of all of SG1, the person most likely to rush to communicate with an alien entity was Daniel! He's the language expert, he's the one fascinated with communication and with communicating with aliens. I'd normally have expected him to be first up to the keyboard, before anyone else could move.

So it's always seemed a little odd to me that that was the lure the entity chose to ensare Carter. I think it just struck very lucky that she was the one who took it and it got what it wanted.

Albion :)

captain jake
May 29th, 2006, 10:20 AM
I think relicarterje made a great point if it hadn't been carter, carter might have been able to fix the problem.

RepliCartertje
May 29th, 2006, 10:52 AM
well thanks captain jake

ow i thought of something else, if daniel tried to talk to the entity with the keyboard, the entity didn't have to do the same to him, he had a free will. And he wanted Carter, so it could wait until Carter tried it... so maybe the entity got lucky that carter tried it first. otherwise he had to wait a little bit longer

captain jake
May 29th, 2006, 11:51 AM
So you think the entity was just lucky?

I don't think so I believe it to be very methodical, it choose sam.

RepliCartertje
May 29th, 2006, 02:04 PM
So you think the entity was just lucky?

I don't think so I believe it to be very methodical, it choose sam.
i think you misinterpreted what i said. I think he wanted to have sam, but he was lucky that she was the first to touch the keyboard. Otherwise the entity had to wait for her. now she was the first

captain jake
May 29th, 2006, 03:16 PM
O ok gotcha.

ReganX
May 29th, 2006, 09:02 PM
I think he wanted to have sam, but he was lucky that she was the first to touch the keyboard. Otherwise the entity had to wait for her. now she was the first

The Entity set up an interface to communicate/conduit to enter a human body and brought up Sam's profile on the screen - it knew who it wanted as a host and that Sam would respond to what looked like an invitation to communicate.

Had it shown Daniel's profile, Daniel would have responded and been as vulnerable to being taken over as Sam was.

I figured that the Entity chose Sam because it believed, based on its observations and the information gleaned from the computer system, that she would be the person that those at the SGC would be least able to bring themselves to kill.

captain jake
May 29th, 2006, 09:18 PM
What about jack, daniel, teal'c, or Dr. fraiser? I couldn't kill any of them.

ReganX
May 29th, 2006, 09:28 PM
What about jack, daniel, teal'c, or Dr. fraiser? I couldn't kill any of them.

Neither could I, but the Entity seemed to consider Sam the best choice.

RepliCartertje
May 30th, 2006, 08:18 AM
I think he wanted to kill Carter cause of the knowledge that she has, if she is gone... like in dead... the SGC would find it hard to do thing so... that is maybe why it choose Carter. And it knew that because of the reading it had done of the files in the computer

And I really could not kill anyone of them... but who would?... I don't think anyone

ReganX
May 30th, 2006, 09:27 AM
I think he wanted to kill Carter cause of the knowledge that she has, if she is gone... like in dead... the SGC would find it hard to do thing so... that is maybe why it choose Carter. And it knew that because of the reading it had done of the files in the computer

It was pretty open about the fact that the plan was to kill all of them, not just Sam, to preserve its world.


And I really could not kill anyone of them... but who would?... I don't think anyone

The System Lords?

captain jake
May 30th, 2006, 09:45 AM
Well I know a couple people but thats beside the point.

RepliCartertje
May 30th, 2006, 02:42 PM
It was pretty open about the fact that the plan was to kill all of them, not just Sam, to preserve its world.
yeah that was it first plan, but after it failed he was looking for a backup... and that is why he choose Carter... because she was the most valuable and if it had taken control over her body, Carter couldn't help (well that is my opinion about it)


The System Lords?
I was refering to the fans, who of the fans want to loosse anyone of the team?? I don't think nobody

and besides the system lords there are a lot of othere people who like to be that they are dead, like captain jake says

ReganX
May 30th, 2006, 03:04 PM
yeah that was it first plan, but after it failed he was looking for a backup... and that is why he choose Carter... because she was the most valuable and if it had taken control over her body, Carter couldn't help (well that is my opinion about it)

Intriguing idea. By taking over Sam, the entity not only chose the safest place to be but also took somebody who was very likely to be able to come up with a way to stop it out of the equation.

captain jake
May 30th, 2006, 04:17 PM
We mentioned this before I believe.

Yes it is a very likely possibility.

SamO'Neill
August 12th, 2006, 02:28 PM
Intriguing idea. By taking over Sam, the entity not only chose the safest place to be but also took somebody who was very likely to be able to come up with a way to stop it out of the equation.

Exactly. Plus it gave us the Sam/Jack moments. Especially the zat scene....

rnwhocares
April 1st, 2007, 05:06 AM
.
For Season 4's Entity:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/entity5panel100.jpg
Communicating with the Entity

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/EntityFirstshotmakesitmad.jpg
Jack's first shot with the zat does not stun the Entity... it just seems to make it angrier.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/EntityJacktakesthesecondshot.jpg
Jack takes the second shot... and Sam collapses.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/EntityItsDead.jpg
Two zat shots.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/EntitySamnobrainactivity.jpg
Sam's body is on life support and there is no brainwave activity from either the Entity or Sam.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/EntitySamIamHere.jpg
I am here!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/EntityIwasshouting.jpg
O'NEILL: Hey Carter, where you been?
CARTER: It's gone?
HAMMOND: Yes it is.
CARTER: I was shouting for you to hear.
O'NEILL: We heard.
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Photos are screen caps from the episode Entity
Transcript excerpt is from the Stargate SG-1 Transcript website (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm)
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Hello--Daniel heard!!! The rest finally listened to him

Nikki
July 18th, 2007, 05:27 PM
My favorite scene in this episode has to be this one:

Janet walks into Sam's room where Jack is sitting alone with her.

FRAISER: Still no change. I don't know if she ever told you this Colonel, but Sam made a living will. No extraordinary means.

O'NEILL: Yeah, she told me.

FRAISER: There's no brain activity of any kind, no brain wave from either Sam or the entity. She's being kept alive entirely on life support. I think it's time to let her go Sir.

O'NEILL: Just give it a minute, huh.

RDA plays it so well, the look on Jack's face when he's watching Sam...my heart breaks every time, especially when he asks for one more minute. :(


http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Nikki14567/sg1-4x20-3392.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Nikki14567/sg1-4x20-3388.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Nikki14567/sg1-4x20-3389.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Nikki14567/sg1-4x20-3387.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Nikki14567/sg1-4x20-3384.jpg

I know, I'm a shameless S/J shipper. :p

shippyangel
July 18th, 2007, 05:44 PM
My favorite scene in this episode has to be this one:

Janet walks into Sam's room where Jack is sitting alone with her.

FRAISER: Still no change. I don't know if she ever told you this Colonel, but Sam made a living will. No extraordinary means.

O'NEILL: Yeah, she told me.

FRAISER: There's no brain activity of any kind, no brain wave from either Sam or the entity. She's being kept alive entirely on life support. I think it's time to let her go Sir.

O'NEILL: Just give it a minute, huh.

RDA plays it so well, the look on Jack's face when he's watching Sam...my heart breaks every time, especially when he asks for one more minute. :(

Spoiler for size:

http://www.stargatesg1971.com/entitydvd/PDVD_555.jpg

http://www.stargatesg1971.com/entitydvd/PDVD_566.jpg

http://www.stargatesg1971.com/entitydvd/PDVD_567.jpg

I know, I'm a shameless S/J shipper. :p


Outch. This episode broke my heart several times...
Shipper moments, specially this one you described and the zat scene... We could see Jack fighting against himself (as well as when he and Hammond talked).
PS: I loved the time when the entity said: "This one has memory of you".
Awww!

Nikki
July 18th, 2007, 05:54 PM
Outch. This episode broke my heart several times...
Shipper moments, specially this one you described and the zat scene... We could see Jack fighting against himself (as well as when he and Hammond talked).
PS: I loved the time when the entity said: "This one has memory of you".
Awww!

YES! Very heart-breaking. One of my all time fav eps. Have greened for that! :D

shippyangel
July 18th, 2007, 06:02 PM
(Nikki, I luv your smilies....)

garhkal
July 19th, 2007, 02:45 PM
That makes me wonder how many of them have living wills..

Cascade
August 5th, 2007, 12:43 PM
My favourite part of this episode - the computer Technician Walter is using completely explodes in his face, sending him flying to the floor. The computer Sam is using omits a small charge which hits off her hand, causing her to flinch. And what does General Hammond do? Asks Sam if she's okay, with no regard to the poor Technician sprawled across the floor! :lol: Poor Walter.

garhkal
August 6th, 2007, 02:26 PM
Yea, it does seem wierd that the general shows more concern for sam than walter..

Cascade
August 6th, 2007, 03:51 PM
Yea, it does seem wierd that the general shows more concern for sam than walter..

Well obviously he has a somewhat closer connection to Sam, I just found it humourous that he didn't seem to acknowledge Walter at all, despite the fact his injury was obviously more serious. :lol:

ericcommando
August 10th, 2007, 07:17 PM
does anyone know where you can download all of season 4? I can't find it anywhere on the web. Unbox only has seasons 1 and 10 and itunes only has season 10. I've been looking all over and can't find any of the other seasons in between.

garhkal
August 11th, 2007, 02:00 PM
Go through amazon.com..

here is a direct link to the part where all seasons 1-9 are on offer
http://www.amazon.com/Stargate-SG-1-Seasons-1-9/dp/B000K4WSEC/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1/105-6393133-9282823

Season 4 on it's own.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F8O2P6/ref=pd_cp_d_3/105-6393133-9282823?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_r=049R903HFZ2D4Q0Q32BC&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=252362301&pf_rd_i=B000F8O2PG

Season 6 on it's own.
http://www.amazon.com/Stargate-SG-1-Season-6-Thinpak/dp/B000F8O2PG/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/105-6393133-9282823

Season 1 on it's own
http://www.amazon.com/Stargate-SG-1-Season-1-Thinpak/dp/B000F8O2Q0/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_2_2/105-6393133-9282823

Season 3 on it's own
http://www.amazon.com/Stargate-SG-1-Season-3-Thinpak/dp/B000F8O2OW/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_2_0/105-6393133-9282823

Season 7 on it's own
http://www.amazon.com/Stargate-SG-1-Season-7-Thinpak/dp/B000F8O2PQ/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1/105-6393133-9282823

Season 2 on it's own
http://www.amazon.com/Stargate-SG-1-Season-2-Thinpak/dp/B000F8O2OM/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_2_1/105-6393133-9282823

Season 8 on it's own
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6302020190/ref=pd_cp_d_4/105-6393133-9282823?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_r=049R903HFZ2D4Q0Q32BC&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=252362301&pf_rd_i=B000F8O2PG

Season 5 on it's own
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6303961614/ref=pd_cp_d_1/105-6393133-9282823?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_r=049R903HFZ2D4Q0Q32BC&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=252362301&pf_rd_i=B000F8O2PG

Edit.. not sure why some url linkages are longer than the others...

Tittamiire
August 14th, 2007, 04:08 AM
My favourite part of this episode - the computer Technician Walter is using completely explodes in his face, sending him flying to the floor. The computer Sam is using omits a small charge which hits off her hand, causing her to flinch. And what does General Hammond do? Asks Sam if she's okay, with no regard to the poor Technician sprawled across the floor! :lol: Poor Walter.

I did kinda notice that but I just assumed someone with quicker reflexes was already attending to poor Walter on the floor and getting him help off screen.

And I love this episode, I think RDA and AT did a particularly good job with their respective parts...emotional rollercoaster...wheee.

jckfan55
August 14th, 2007, 10:46 AM
I did kinda notice that but I just assumed someone with quicker reflexes was already attending to poor Walter on the floor and getting him help off screen.

And I love this episode, I think RDA and AT did a particularly good job with their respective parts...emotional rollercoaster...wheee.

The acting really makes me forget the somewhat silly premise. I totally go with it.

And poor Walter. I kind of thought what you did about someone helping him. I do like that little exchange in the infirmary btw Sam and Walter though, acknowledging each other.

captain jake
July 1st, 2008, 04:34 PM
Teal'c - "In medical matters Dr. Frasier may overrule those of any rank"


ROTFLMAO

Every time they do a technical episode where Teal'c doesn't really have anything to do they give him these lines that just crack me up every time. Does anybody know if it was an artificial intelligence, an engineered "weapon," as it referred to itself, or a life form? I still don't really understand what happened at the end with Sam. This is what I have so far, Sam is sent into the bases wiring due to the fact that her body just died from the second Zat blast. After which she finds her way to the M.A.L.P. computer and is transfered back into her body. How did she get into the M.A.L.P. computer? wasn't it cut off?

majorsal
July 1st, 2008, 07:01 PM
I still don't really understand what happened at the end with Sam. This is what I have so far, Sam is sent into the bases wiring due to the fact that her body just died from the second Zat blast. After which she finds her way to the M.A.L.P. computer and is transfered back into her body. How did she get into the M.A.L.P. computer? wasn't it cut off?

sam was sent into the computer mainframe because the entity did it.

when colonel o'neill told the entity that it was going to send more malps to it's planet if it didn't release sam, it made the decision right then to do something. it couldn't return to the mainframe itself because it had outgrown it. it wanted to save its own entity/life forms more than it wanted to save itself.

when jack corned it in the hallway, entity decided what to do. it decided to send sam's mind/soul into the computer mainframe, and then sacrifice itself so jack wouldn't make his threats real. if it had sacrificed sam too, jack might have been so mad that he would have sent those malps anyways. in doing what it did, it saved sam, and it's own life forms 'because' it saved sam.

i haven't watched the ep in a while, but it's one of my top five eps and i think i'm remembering it right. :p

amanda was AWESOME!! :D




sally :sam:

jckfan55
July 1st, 2008, 07:16 PM
Right. By the time O'Neill fired the 2nd shot, Sam had already been transferred out, so the zat didn't kill her.

captain jake
July 1st, 2008, 11:52 PM
sam was sent into the computer mainframe because the entity did it.

when colonel o'neill told the entity that it was going to send more malps to it's planet if it didn't release sam, it made the decision right then to do something. it couldn't return to the mainframe itself because it had outgrown it. it wanted to save its own entity/life forms more than it wanted to save itself.

when jack corned it in the hallway, entity decided what to do. it decided to send sam's mind/soul into the computer mainframe, and then sacrifice itself so jack wouldn't make his threats real. if it had sacrificed sam too, jack might have been so mad that he would have sent those malps anyways. in doing what it did, it saved sam, and it's own life forms 'because' it saved sam.

i haven't watched the ep in a while, but it's one of my top five eps and i think i'm remembering it right. :p

amanda was AWESOME!! :D


sally :sam:

That all sounds correct, but the question remains how did the entity put sam into the M.A.L.P. room computer if they had seperated it from the computer mainframe. It wouldn't make sense that they would keep it hooked up would they?


Right. By the time O'Neill fired the 2nd shot, Sam had already been transferred out, so the zat didn't kill her.

Yes I understood that.

HelloVelo
July 24th, 2008, 08:33 PM
I love that Walter got zapped in this episode.

Rating: 5/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/entity.html

L E E
July 31st, 2008, 07:12 AM
i didn't enjoy the plot about the entity possessing sam and transferring her consciousness. imo, even for sci-fi, it's too far-fetched. linking the mind to the computer, i can believe since the mind is still in the body. but in this case, it's different.

does mind = soul?

jckfan55
July 31st, 2008, 11:27 AM
It was pretty far fetched, but I was willing to go with it.

Dinoman
February 27th, 2009, 03:35 PM
sam was sent into the computer mainframe because the entity did it.

when colonel o'neill told the entity that it was going to send more malps to it's planet if it didn't release sam, it made the decision right then to do something. it couldn't return to the mainframe itself because it had outgrown it. it wanted to save its own entity/life forms more than it wanted to save itself.

when jack corned it in the hallway, entity decided what to do. it decided to send sam's mind/soul into the computer mainframe, and then sacrifice itself so jack wouldn't make his threats real. if it had sacrificed sam too, jack might have been so mad that he would have sent those malps anyways. in doing what it did, it saved sam, and it's own life forms 'because' it saved sam.

i haven't watched the ep in a while, but it's one of my top five eps and i think i'm remembering it right. :p

amanda was AWESOME!! :D

sally :sam:

I have another thought:

Since the entity said their world was poisoned by the MALP, most of them were probably been killed then and it could be the only survivor by making its way through to Earth. When it was confronted by Jack, it might be pissed and decided to kill itself and transferred Sam's mind to the 'nest' which it knew Jack was so determined to destroy as a revenge. Sam would very likely be killed if it wasn't Daniel (and would 'definitely' be killed if only Jack was there!). :cool:

Just a thought.

Butlersgate
March 1st, 2009, 08:04 AM
Sam's facial expressions where perfect when the entity was inside her imo, great episode :D

ENTITY VS INTRUDER, go!

EvenstarSRV
March 5th, 2009, 09:14 PM
Sam's facial expressions where perfect when the entity was inside her imo, great episode :D


I agree, I thought AT did a great job playing the entity. I remember reading somewhere that the director let AT chose how to play the entity to an extent. If so, I think she made some good choices, the hard stares and lack of blinking, the way she cocked her head, etc.

Some other thoughts for the Challenge thread:

I liked the idea of something as seemingly innocuous as the MALP probe posing such a threat to the Entity's world. It highlights an interesting aspect of traveling through the Stargate, that the SGC often have no idea what they're getting into when they go through the gate, where something as harmless as a probe could cause such destruction to an alien civilization.

I liked the short clips of the Entity learning about the SGC and setting up the trap for Sam. It examines the medical records and likely learned about humans' brain capacity, it watches Sam and Daniel examining the footage and notes Sam using the keyboard. From their files it probably reasoned that SG-1 would be very reluctant to kill any of their teammates, but with Sam it may have seen her importance in scientific matters and thought that by possessing her it would also be able to neutralize the biggest threat to its survival, especially since it almost died from the system reset.

I also liked the differences between Sam and Daniel's willingness to talk to the entity verses Jack and Teal'c's indifference or desire to destroy it. I see neither side as being entirely wrong or right, but understandable given each character's individual motivations and training. Given the damage done by the entity it was understandable for Jack and Teal'c to wary of it, but Daniel and Sam's scientific training would lead them to wanting to understand this new lifeform/technology first. Plus, I think they both made a good point about SG-1 often being in similar situations as the entity, though the similarities end when the Entity stated its goal was to destroy them.

I liked seeing Daniel doing what he does so well, figuring out another civilization by talking to them and trying to get them to do the 'right' thing as he sees it. Though given the Entity's dismissal of the possibility of leaving Sam up 'till now and its primary concern being self-preservation, I can understand Jack stepping in with direct threats to get the Entity to leave Sam, which was backed up by Hammond.

I thought the scene where Jack has to zat Sam twice was well done, good direction and great acting by both RDA and AT, especially the absolute fury she was able to convey as the Entity after the first zat blast. I kinda have to handwave Sam's consciousness getting from the corridor to the nest and then back into her body, but then if SG-1 can get their consciousnesses copied into robot copies, perhaps it's not so crazy. :)

Oh, and kudos to Teryl Rothery as well for a fantastic job in this episode. I especially liked the quiver in her voice when she admits she doesn't know how to get the Entity out of Sam, and how she's slumped against the elevator wall when going to tell Jack about Sam's living will. I also really liked the opening exchange between Jack, Teal'c, and Daniel about Teal'c being tense, as well as the probe exchange in the briefing room, very funny. :jack:

Overall, I thought it was interesting that in this episode it was the military perspective and strategy that seemed to be result in the best outcome, while other episodes, like Scorched Earth, have had the scientific/diplomatic perspective resulting in the better outcome. I think it shows a nice balance in Stargate storytelling, that both military and scientific strategies can be effectively utilized depending on the situation and that neither one is right or wrong all the time.

amconway
March 7th, 2009, 09:52 AM
Excellent thoughts, Evenstar!

I kinda have to handwave Sam's consciousness getting from the corridor to the nest and then back into her body, but then if SG-1 can get their consciousnesses copied into robot copies, perhaps it's not so crazy.
Sometimes it's difficult to decide what is, and isn't, plausible in Stargate, isn't it? :)

EvenstarSRV
March 7th, 2009, 12:15 PM
Sometimes it's difficult to decide what is, and isn't, plausible in Stargate, isn't it? :)

Hehe, yeah. While it made sense to me for the Entity to be able to enter Sam and suppress her consciousness within her body, I was a bit thrown when they had her consciousness leave her body. But the rest of the episode rocked so I could easily overlook it.

Then I saw Tin Man, Holiday, and New Order and realized that transferring peoples' consciousnesses into different things was possible in the Stargate universe, so it doesn't bother me any more in this episode. :)

jckfan55
March 7th, 2009, 01:37 PM
Oh, and kudos to Teryl Rothery as well for a fantastic job in this episode. I especially liked the quiver in her voice when she admits she doesn't know how to get the Entity out of Sam, and how she's slumped against the elevator wall when going to tell Jack about Sam's living will.
Great post overall, but I'm just quoting this piece. You're so right on this.
And of course when she tells Jack "it's time to let her go."

The Stig
May 2nd, 2009, 12:13 AM
I really liked the concept behind this episode, especially how it shows that after working together for so long, the team has really become a family, in their relentless care for Carter. The part where Jack shoots her though... oh, man, that was frighteningly good.

yes the family atmosphere is a really nice touch to the series. Amanda tapping was really good in this episode.

vzzzzzbx
May 5th, 2009, 06:11 PM
Another good episode. The whole idea of the "entity" invading the computers and then building a "nest" reminds me a little of a movie called Virus (not really a great film but the ideas in it are similar).

majorsal
May 5th, 2009, 07:16 PM
Another good episode. The whole idea of the "entity" invading the computers and then building a "nest" reminds me a little of a movie called Virus (not really a great film but the ideas in it are similar).

i'm sure i've said this somewhere in this thread :p, but i thought amanda was outstanding in this ep. once the entity had taken her over, amanda just blew me away with how much she said by facial expressions alone. i was in awe.

*has fangirl moment* :o :p

MyzteriouZ
June 7th, 2009, 01:54 PM
loved the expression AT had when playing Ms. Electro, little nods with the head an the blank stare...

But as a Daniel fan, I feel they never rly gave Daniel a chance to communicate with the "thing", sure he was allowed, but Jack was in the room also, and pretty much immediately made it clear they would destroy this poor thing's entire civilization if it does not leave Sam. Daniel was not left with anything to build upon rly, I know time was a big issue, there was only so much storage in Sam's brain, But Daniel should have been given a fair chance to do what he is best at, connecting with new lifeforms.

mrscopterdoc
March 15th, 2010, 11:38 AM
I love that Walter got zapped but Siler was just fine. :P

Jacquelyn
April 6th, 2010, 04:44 PM
i'm sure i've said this somewhere in this thread :p, but i thought amanda was outstanding in this ep. once the entity had taken her over, amanda just blew me away with how much she said by facial expressions alone. i was in awe.

*has fangirl moment* :o :p

haha agreed. *screams* Oh sorry i had a weird moment there, thinking about this awesome ep. :lol:

Martina Magnus
July 13th, 2010, 05:25 AM
Love the tense between Sam and Jack in this ep :D

maneth
September 19th, 2010, 10:12 AM
Amanda was great in this ep. What a zombie the entity made of her! The data transfer from the computer back to Sam should have taken longer, though.

ChulaksPrincess
October 17th, 2010, 07:49 PM
This episode of Season 4 was absolutely awesome. I was afraid that thing wouldn't let Sam go, and she might die. Jack sure stood up to it for Sam's sake though. The plot, music, actors, and everything else was excellent.

majorsal
October 17th, 2010, 07:53 PM
This episode of Season 4 was absolutely awesome. I was afraid that thing wouldn't let Sam go, and she might die. Jack sure stood up to it for Sam's sake though. The plot, music, actors, and everything else was excellent.

it's my fave episode :D

SaraBahama
May 15th, 2011, 06:30 PM
One of my favorite eps. Go back and re-watch it as a character study of Jack. He begins the ep. as his regular ADHD self...he's actually PLAYING with the entity when they first realize it's in the computer ("come here often?"), but after the entity takes over Sam he becomes VERY, VERY still. Watch him in the background when they first take her into the iso room -when her heart stops and restarts and Janet calls over her shoulder to him, his reply "what? what is it?" is so fearful. Later, when Daniel talks to the entity he is unnaturally still in the background...no more of his O'Neill fidgets or commentary...just incredibly still.

The first time I watched, I didn't appreciate that it was intentional acting by RDA -I thought...what is he DOING? Has he checked out? When I re-watched it, I realized that it was on purpose, and it spoke volumes about the character's emotional state (and we know Jack don't do emotions...at least externally).

The earlier comment about Teryl's quaver when she said she didn't know how to get the entity out of Sam -I agree with. Excellent work Teryl!

-The look of horror on Jack's face when he has to zat Sam the 2nd time...knowing that 2 zats kill.
-Entity says "this one (Sam) is important"
Jack says "she is."
-Jack's threat to send dozens of probes... very "helen of troy"

LOVE THIS EPISODE!!

stupidoctopus
May 16th, 2011, 04:10 PM
"MALPs can't fly."
-Col. Jack O'Neill

This is one of the best quotes in all of Stargate, haha.

LeftHandedGuitarist
November 14th, 2011, 09:12 AM
SG-1 does the old "computer infects ones of our characters" story, which I have to say is one of my most hated plotlines in sci-fi. It never works. I totally accept that fact that sci-fi shows are supposed to push science into fictional areas, but this is going way too far. It a concept that is competely unbelievable in every way and immediately takes me out of the show.

HOWEVER, as others have mentioned here, this episode is a powerhouse for O'Neill, who runs through a wide range of emotive scenes and delivers. But he can't save the episode from being both dull and over the top (two concepts which should theoretically be mutually exclusive).

Amanda Tapping fails big time in the scenes in which she has been taken over. It's just awful, cringeworthy stuff. I don't know if it's because she didn't know what to do with it or she was directed to act that way (worth noting that this episode's director was actually the show's editor and it was his first time behind the camera). It was like somebody said to her, "Just act like Teal'c and imagine that he can't talk and is a little bit angry".

Also, quite funny to hear the artificial computer voice and realise how far along the technology has come since this episode!

Definitely not my sort of show. A saving grace is that it doesn't have the dreaded and over-used line, "The human brain is basically a computer," although it comes pretty close with Dr. Frasier's silly line, "the human brain can store terabytes of information."

RATING: 6 out of 10

Nanouk
November 14th, 2011, 09:17 AM
I rewatched this one Saturday. I really loved it its for sure one of my fave eps of that season:)

Major Plonker
November 17th, 2011, 02:33 AM
I love this episode, just finished watching the re-run for the fifth time!
But can someone help me out???
When SG1 are sat talking to Hammond & they notice the "Entity" is still there in the backup systems, the security cam looks at O'neill & the records come up on screen.
When Jacks military record appears, it states his name as John O'neill???!!!
Any ideas peeps?

bookwormjules
November 17th, 2011, 04:14 AM
I love this episode, just finished watching the re-run for the fifth time!
But can someone help me out???
When SG1 are sat talking to Hammond & they notice the "Entity" is still there in the backup systems, the security cam looks at O'neill & the records come up on screen.
When Jacks military record appears, it states his name as John O'neill???!!!
Any ideas peeps?

His full name is Jonathan J. (Jack) O'Neill he goes by Jack.

fems
November 17th, 2011, 04:36 AM
His full name is Jonathan J. (Jack) O'Neill he goes by Jack.

No, it's John J. O'Neill. For some reason he calls himself Jack, but we don't know if that's some weird version of John (like William/Billy, Richard/Dick etc) or if his second name is Jack or something similar.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 17th, 2011, 08:54 AM
His full name is Jonathan J. (Jack) O'Neill he goes by Jack.


No, it's John J. O'Neill. For some reason he calls himself Jack, but we don't know if that's some weird version of John (like William/Billy, Richard/Dick etc) or if his second name is Jack or something similar.

Actually, over the course of the series and the movie, his name is listed in apparently official documents as both Jonathan and John. And yes, fems, Jack is a common knickname for John, like William/Billy and Richard/Rick).

Seaboe

bookwormjules
November 17th, 2011, 03:00 PM
No, it's John J. O'Neill. For some reason he calls himself Jack, but we don't know if that's some weird version of John (like William/Billy, Richard/Dick etc) or if his second name is Jack or something similar.


Actually, over the course of the series and the movie, his name is listed in apparently official documents as both Jonathan and John. And yes, fems, Jack is a common knickname for John, like William/Billy and Richard/Rick).

Seaboe

It's also listed on the Omnipeia that his name is Jonathan "Jack" O'Neill, on other stargate wiki's and the like he is listed as Jonathan J. O'Neill . Making an educated guess that Jack is his middle name, and likely prefers it over his given name.

The name set aside, good episode it started off slow for me, but Jack shooting Sam twice with the Zat - a very gut wrenching, emotional moment not to mention surprising when I saw it the first time around. RDA did a fantastic job at showing the emotional struggle Jack went through.

majorsal
November 17th, 2011, 03:31 PM
'entity' is my all-time favorite stargate episode. it's got everything i love: sam centric, s/j ship, and amazing amanda acting! :)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 17th, 2011, 05:36 PM
Making an educated guess that Jack is his middle name, and likely prefers it over his given name.


I think it's extremely unlikely that, with a first name of John (or Jonathan) Jack would be his middle name, given its status as a nickname for John. That would be like naming your child James Jim Surname.

Seaboe

fems
November 18th, 2011, 06:39 AM
It's also listed on the Omnipeia that his name is Jonathan "Jack" O'Neill, on other stargate wiki's and the like he is listed as Jonathan J. O'Neill . Making an educated guess that Jack is his middle name, and likely prefers it over his given name.


Prop canon in this ep shows it as John O'Neill and in the lexicon (http://www.rdanderson.com/stargate/entries/oneilljack.htm)(referred to as the bible by Brad Wright (http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/features/cotgfinalcut_commentary_trans.shtml)) it's stated that Jack's security ID identifies him as "John J. O'Neill, born October 20, 1952".

shipper hannah
November 18th, 2011, 01:10 PM
When Jacks military record appears, it states his name as John O'neill???!!!
Any ideas peeps?

Well, Jack is a nickname for John..

Snicker433
November 19th, 2011, 12:47 AM
What is the name of the music that was playing when the entity said that it would not leave Samantha's body (26:52, into the episode), and by doing so would kill her? I have heard this piece throughout season 1, 2 and 3 since I started my re-watch but only just realized what it is. Is it a piece of music from Naruto? like at a sad moment when Jiraiya died? not sure but i swear Ive heard it on Naruto.

Brother Freyr
November 21st, 2011, 10:09 PM
SG-1 does the old "computer infects ones of our characters" story, which I have to say is one of my most hated plotlines in sci-fi.
It's a tired story -- and theoretically impossible -- but I throught they did a good job with it. Sometimes I have difficulty with suspension of disbelief, other times it's easy. In this case, I was caught up in the story and was able to forget what I know of brain science.


Amanda Tapping fails big time in the scenes in which she has been taken over. It's just awful, cringeworthy stuff.
Now that's an interesting response. I came here tonight intending to say how impressed I was by Tapping's portrayal of the entity. :-D


Also, quite funny to hear the artificial computer voice and realise how far along the technology has come since this episode!
It perfectly complemented Tapping's acting, to create a believable alternate character. Loved it.

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I like this episode despite its ridiculous implausibility. What can I say? There's no accounting for taste.

dipsofjazz
November 22nd, 2011, 08:25 AM
SG-1 does the old "computer infects ones of our characters" story, which I have to say is one of my most hated plotlines in sci-fi.
Except this was an alien entity infecting one of our characters.

I enjoy this episode,and thought Amanda Tapping did a great job of portraying the alien. RDA/Jack was really good, going between all the funny stuff when we first notice the alien in the computer system, to the strong tactics used to get the alien to leave Carter. I liked seeing the difference between the way Daniel and Jack interacted with the alien in Sam.

Dave2
November 23rd, 2011, 02:59 PM
Strange statement from Hammond that he "notified" all offworld SG teams to stay put. Now without a stargate HOW does he communicate with offworld teams? The risk of course is obvious, i.e. a team could be desperate to dial back home and not be able to activate the wormhole.
ON THE OTHER HAND, aren't there backup possibilities for any SG team who can't dial home, to dial to an alternative planet like the Tok'ra temporarily? Haven't such arrangements ever been made?!

jelgate
November 23rd, 2011, 03:34 PM
Strange statement from Hammond that he "notified" all offworld SG teams to stay put. Now without a stargate HOW does he communicate with offworld teams? The risk of course is obvious, i.e. a team could be desperate to dial back home and not be able to activate the wormhole.
ON THE OTHER HAND, aren't there backup possibilities for any SG team who can't dial home, to dial to an alternative planet like the Tok'ra temporarily? Haven't such arrangements ever been made?!the Alpha Site

Dave2
November 24th, 2011, 06:37 AM
Please remind me again what is meant by the "Alpha Site"??
And I think I missed why the entity decided to die. And why it put Sam into the computer system instead of just allowing her to control her body again.

fems
November 24th, 2011, 06:52 AM
Please remind me again what is meant by the "Alpha Site"??
And I think I missed why the entity decided to die. And why it put Sam into the computer system instead of just allowing her to control her body again.

The first Alpha Site was P3X-984 and is basically an off-world base established by the SGC. The concept was first introduced in There But For the Grace of God where the alternate reality Daniel had entered was evacuating their people to the Beta Site. When he came back to his own (our) reality he and the rest of SG-1 went on a mission to destroy Apophis' fleet heading for Earth and people were being evacuated from the SGC to the Alpha Site. When Apophis' ship was destroyed Daniel managed to reach the onboard Stargate and, since he couldn't dial Earth, recalled the Beta Site coordinates from his experience in the alternate reality and hoped they were similar to the Alpha Site of his own reality - he was correct.

There's more about the Alpha Site in

Allegiance, Death Knell, Covenant, Endgame and Gemini.


The Entity decided to die because it couldn't survive outside of Sam's brain unless it went into the base's computers, which the SGC wouldn't allow and knew if it didn't leave Sam the SGC would attack (or so Jack claimed) its homeplanet and kill others. In short; the Entity sacrificed itself to protect its kind from an attack.

I don't recall the details, but I assume it had suppressed Sam so it could grow and therefore just leaving the body wouldn't be enough to allow Sam full control. Or maybe it had exchanged places with Sam from the beginning but we just didn't know she was in the computers all the time (and it took her a while to figure out how to communicate).

Dave2
November 24th, 2011, 09:56 AM
If the Alpha site exists in general, then why couldn't all of the offworld teams have dialed onto that site or some other friendly planet until they could get back home? In fact, why couldn't this have been a general procedure?

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 24th, 2011, 12:08 PM
If the Alpha site exists in general, then why couldn't all of the offworld teams have dialed onto that site or some other friendly planet until they could get back home? In fact, why couldn't this have been a general procedure?

How do you know it isn't?

Seaboe

hedwig
November 24th, 2011, 12:43 PM
If the Alpha site exists in general, then why couldn't all of the offworld teams have dialed onto that site or some other friendly planet until they could get back home? In fact, why couldn't this have been a general procedure?

The Alpha site has existed in some form or another since Season 1. That's where people were being sent in "Within the Serpent's Grasp"/"Serpent's Lair" when no one knew whether Apophis' ships were going to make it to earth and attack, or whether SG1 would succeed in stopping them.

So there are actually a few times when SG members who are offworld could have gated there when they couldn't gate to earth. Jack, Sam and Teal'c could have easily gated there at the end of "Nemesis" instead of whatever planet it was that Teal'c dialed and they got stuck on for over a week.

And the scientists in "Fail Safe" were directed to gate to the Alpha Site when they finished working on the damaged scoutship. And people were again being sent from the SGC in that episode to the Alpha Site.

The writers apparently forgot about the alpha site unless it was convenient to their story.

Matt G
November 24th, 2011, 01:39 PM
Tuesday night and another ep of SG1...

1. Well the planet 'looked' cool...pity the MALP had to go beserk.

2. The ep 'looked' light...pity Sam had to get posessed.

3. Took about 'how the hell are they going to get out of this?'.

4. Transferring a consciousness into a human body...hmmm...I've let them claim artistic license.

Solid ep.

liminoid
November 25th, 2011, 10:45 AM
Weel no this episode wasn't far-fetched at all. You see, the radio waves emitted by a MALP had a narcotic effect on the planet's indigenous species of ASCII-based life forms. That's what the entity meant by saying the malp destroyed it's people. Well you've heard of a virus that can cause computer systems to go haywire. Well, radio waves apparently act on this species as digital opium. Whole planet became like one big robo orgy. So the entity was sent to exact a measure of revenge - an eye for an eye - you made our computers act human, we're gonna make your humans act like computers. They planned to invade every human body and turn them into highly inefficient vehicles for self-preservation. The entity was sent on this mission because somehow it had immunity to the narcotic radio waves and therefore was able to piggyback on the malp signals. Anyway, Sam back to using only 10% of her brain, and all's well that must end before the season finale story arc.
Grade: ASCII-nine

Krisz
November 28th, 2011, 03:53 PM
Always a nice creepy idea of machine intelligences getting ideas above their circuitry! :P

From HAL to Skynet, taking control away from the humans is a staple of Sci Fi for the inherent fear factor.

This isn't one of Stargate's best takes on a well worn theme, they seem to do better with time travel and alternate realities, but absorbing enough due to the effect on everyone at the SGC on a personal level with the possible loss of Sam.

Sam being irretrievably lost to all intents and purposes, and having the computer generated voice to communicate creeped me out when I first saw this episode. Her blank expression was well done to compliment the machine generated voice of the entity that now controlled her body.

Jack's ultimatum to the entity was a great one, it was a clear no nonsense concept that the entity had no problem understanding! Self sacrifice to save its own world, ironically it's what Jack would do in that situation.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 28th, 2011, 04:51 PM
I thought it was one of the low points of Season 4.

The commentary (more entertaining than the actual episode):

This episode was shot in HD (as an experiment, SG-1 wouldn't permanently move to HD until the beginning of the 8th Season).
The director is an editor on the show.
Discussed was how the movement of the camera made it more of a character.


I have now listened to all the commentaries from Season 4.

Tomorrow, the first part of the 4th season finale, and the continuation of an episode from Season 1.

Jae'a
November 29th, 2011, 09:11 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/23357.html)

I love this episode. I wonder how weird it feels to be in a computer like Sam was near the end...

Lieutenant Sparrow
November 30th, 2011, 02:23 AM
An okay ep. I liked the scene with Jack playing around with the camera watching him haha.

jelgate
December 3rd, 2011, 02:10 PM
Two Carter episodes in a row is a little much when their are other characters who get underutilizied. I'm looking at you Teal'c. I'm really bored at first with the entity sneaking around as it infilitrates the SGC computers. Its a cliche that has been done so many times and I hear the comparassion of the human brain to a computer one more time I'm going to scream. They are not similiar. They are completely different. What saves this episode is the creepy mannar when Jack threatens the machine with genocide of its people if he doesn't leave Sam. That is such a creepy thing to do. Not saying its wrong but creepy

iheartcam
December 5th, 2011, 09:22 PM
I liked the scene with Jack playing around with the camera watching him haha.

I liked that scene too. "I think it likes me."...leave it to Jack to play with the alien entity!

Another scene I liked was:

Daniel: it's obviously trying to survive

Jack: So do bacteria!

Sam: It's trying to communicate

Jack: So do bact--
The look on Jack's face always makes me laugh!

Overall, I found this ep enjoyable. For me the earlier humor (i.e., Jack playing with the camera) lightens up the episode so that overall it's not just a serious a-member-of-SG1-is-in-danger episode.

Dimes
December 29th, 2011, 03:48 PM
I didn't like this episode.
I do not know why, just not my "taste of episode"

Major Clanger
June 15th, 2013, 11:49 AM
another "meh" ep for me

Falcon Horus
June 20th, 2013, 12:54 PM
So aparently MALPS can learn how to fly... :p ... that's kinda cool, although the resulting entity hellbend on destroying the human race for killing their own was not cool.

Some emotional, and tense moments.

I kinda liked the nest the entity built for itself, and the little robot that skitters away when SG1 enters the room. It looked like a DRD (see Farscape).

When I put my shippy glasses on... phew, there are some really good Sam/Janet moments... :cool:

Seaboe Muffinchucker
June 21st, 2013, 07:26 AM
... the little robot that skitters away when SG1 enters the room. It looked like a DRD (see Farscape).

Here's where I show my age... I thought of both Silent Running (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Running) and Star Wars. Now I think of it, Ray Bradbury's There Will Come Soft Rains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Will_Come_Soft_Rains_%28short_story%29) has the mice robots...

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
June 21st, 2013, 08:10 AM
Cool! :)

Baron Of Hell
June 29th, 2013, 05:51 AM
I was sure they were going to do something with the little robot that ran away. I guess the alien was controlling it by remote. I liked the episode but didn't care for ending. I wanted something where the alien returned Carter or told the team how to do it. I didn't buy that Janet would know how to open a conduit to the human from a computer.

fems
June 29th, 2013, 06:28 AM
I was sure they were going to do something with the little robot that ran away. I guess the alien was controlling it by remote. I liked the episode but didn't care for ending. I wanted something where the alien returned Carter or told the team how to do it. I didn't buy that Janet would know how to open a conduit to the human from a computer.

I agree that it was strange to see Janet effortlessly hooking Sam's body up to the computers and, voila, she was back in her own body! But maybe Sam knew how it had to be done (from her time sharing her body with the entity) and gave her instructions/suggestions off-screen :P Or perhaps it only took on the tenth attempt or something... :rolleyes:

Anja
September 15th, 2015, 02:17 AM
Maybe it had to work one way or other because Carter was needed for the following seasons!!!
I don't like intelligent machines - they always take over control without asking.

Falcon Horus
September 15th, 2015, 03:16 AM
Maybe it had to work one way or other because Carter was needed for the following seasons!!!

Main characters in Stargate rarely die, or stay dead for long (unless TPTW didn't like them).

Britta
September 15th, 2015, 03:18 AM
They have a higher power looking out for them. The writers, that is. :p

jelgate
September 15th, 2015, 10:58 AM
Main characters in Stargate rarely die, or stay dead for long (unless TPTW didn't like them).

Not just Stargate. That's true for most TV

Falcon Horus
September 15th, 2015, 11:03 AM
Not just Stargate. That's true for most TV

Also true...

Anja
September 15th, 2015, 12:18 PM
Yes, I think I've noticed that - incredible!

Nirude
May 24th, 2016, 06:23 AM
I think this episode has one of the most alien worlds seen in Stargate, even though we hardly see much of it. If you examine the grainy probe footage at the beginning it truly looks bizarre. Wonder what it would be like if a team stepped through.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
May 24th, 2016, 06:57 AM
Painful.

Seaboe

Science
May 24th, 2016, 08:27 AM
It was a cool looking world. It would've made for a far more interesting episode had they found a way to explore it rather than the ridiculousness of putting Carter into a computer.

With all of the stuff built up around the Gate on the other world it makes you wonder how they used the Stargate themselves.

Falcon Horus
June 8th, 2018, 03:39 PM
Err... okay... do I like this? Do I still like this? Did I ever like this enough to like this episode?

I don't know. I was suitably entertained for 42 minutes so that's something.

The matrix-nest, the little robot driving off around the corner, the idea of an frequency based civilization... all very cool.
But knowing we never find out more about it, sorta turns the appeal down a couple of notches, and that's really too bad because this had some really good content.

The episode starts out harmless enough before all hell breaks loose and they inadvertently get a visitor over who isn't happy about getting radiowaved into oblivion. It should at least have given the SGC a shot at explaining, but how fast the SGC was at destroying it, that's just the same response the entity had to the probe's arrival. Shoot first, ask questions later.

Michael Shanks doing an awesome job portraying an addict in The Light, and Amanda Tapping acting her socks off in this one. It reminds me a little of her performance in the Sanctuary episode Veritas. That's one of my favorite episodes and she's acing it there too.

Though I feel a little underwhelmed, and I'm sure given more time this episode could have expanded more but alas.... never heard from again, and forgotten in SG-1 history.

How would you rate SG-1's "Entity?"

Excellent
Good -- even though I felt left hanging. It had way more potential.
Fair
Poor
Terrible

+++++++

3-episode quiz: The Light, Prodigy & Entity (https://goo.gl/forms/FH9CjJhIIfsksIg73)

Jigsaw puzzle: Entity (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=BNC6DTLC)

jelgate
June 10th, 2018, 08:18 AM
You need to check your brain at the door. Its a weird episode that doesn't make a lot of sense. The whole transfer of the computer into Sam's brain and Sam's brain into the computers is too much of a stretch to me. I actually do sympathize with the computer. It was an accident but we did kill several of their kind. I call it fair with 6 minutes and 37 seconds and 14/15

Falcon Horus
June 10th, 2018, 01:10 PM
You need to check your brain at the door. Its a weird episode that doesn't make a lot of sense. The whole transfer of the computer into Sam's brain and Sam's brain into the computers is too much of a stretch to me. I actually do sympathize with the computer. It was an accident but we did kill several of their kind. I call it fair with 6 minutes and 37 seconds and 14/15

Ah, but the brain does have the potential to store a lot of information. Okay, we are not yet able to transfer consciousnesses into and out of it, but I'm sure that given enought time -- say a couple hundred more -- and medicine and technology has advanced enough to give our brains that extra boost. Well, not our brains but the brains of future humans.

7:15 again (tying this one with Prodigy).

jelgate
June 10th, 2018, 01:22 PM
That is my point. Given our technology, what they do in this episode is absurd

Falcon Horus
June 10th, 2018, 01:52 PM
That is my point. Given our technology, what they do in this episode is absurd

Ah right... :mckayanime18: ... yes, good point.

BethHG
June 30th, 2018, 01:14 PM
11:40. 12/15

I felt the entity reacted the same way humans would if someone inadvertently poisoned humankind. They would attack to save our people.

I thought this was a fair episode. I did like Jack playing with the camera, and AT and RDA acted this episode to perfection. I just don't like the story in general.

Who Knows
September 23rd, 2018, 09:01 PM
10.18

Manche
January 24th, 2019, 02:58 AM
I like this episode, but I never understood why it is called as shippy. I always saw the exclamation "This one is important." that it was not about being important for Jack but for the whole SGC (as a friend, an expert, a teammember). And Jack was undoubtedly hurt by the situation, but I believe that he would behave the same way if the entity entered into Daniel or Teal'c. (Or someone else who was important for Jack, do you remember to his state when was Kawalsky infected by Goaul'd or Boyd was dying under the influence of black hole?)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
January 24th, 2019, 06:11 AM
I think shippers see what they want to see in a lot of Stargate episodes.

Seaboe

Manche
January 24th, 2019, 07:20 AM
I agree, I somewhere read that S/J relationship took a lot of focus in S4-S5 (I heard that it was even the opinion of some actors as well), but I can not see it for my life. For me, it was seen prominently only in Divide and Conquer and a little in Beneath the Surface. I was always asking myself "Where is this mentioned focus"? It became more evident later in S7-S8, but not very dramatically for me.

Falcon Horus
January 28th, 2019, 03:07 AM
Goes to show we all look at something in a different way, and no way is better or worse than the next. ;)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
January 28th, 2019, 06:39 AM
FH, they won't let me give you green for that comment, but I do agree 100%, and would give you green if I could.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
January 28th, 2019, 02:22 PM
I'll take virtual green too. :)