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Janus
July 6th, 2004, 06:27 AM
We know that Earth intends to build a few fleet of BC-303's,
but what are those ships going be called ?

I think Enterprise, Defiant and Voyager are given.
To Ne'tu with Paramount and legal stuff.
Shakespeare was right: Kill all lawyers [/

What names would you give to a BC-303 ?

Selmak
July 6th, 2004, 07:57 AM
they will probably be named like aircraft carriers... names of dead historical people and cities.

Lostinmyownvoid
July 6th, 2004, 11:03 AM
Well since the BC-303s are designed as defensive ships they should have names like:
-Cerebrus
-Vigilant
-Norton*
-Macafee*
-Cisco*

*Just a jest.

David85
July 6th, 2004, 11:14 AM
I don't understand why the ship wasn't called Enterprise? All new tech is named Enterprise why not our first real space ship?

Janus
July 6th, 2004, 11:17 AM
they will probably be named like aircraft carriers... names of dead historical people and cities.

So there is going to be an Enterprise, since Enterprise CV-6 was an important aircraft carrier in WWII.

Anubis
July 6th, 2004, 11:21 AM
How about a aircraft called Mircostar? lol

Mio
July 6th, 2004, 11:42 AM
Wait, I'm confused...where did BC-303 come from? Wasn't it X-303?

Janus
July 6th, 2004, 11:50 AM
Wait, I'm confused...where did BC-303 come from? Wasn't it X-303?

The renamed it after Prometheus turned out to work.
Just like they renamed the X-302 to F-302.
The prototype always is called X-number and then renamed.
Standard procedure for the airforce.

Anthro Girl
July 6th, 2004, 11:54 AM
How about a aircraft called Mircostar? lol
HA! I'd go for ENIAC!

Why can't they just get off the memoralizing high horse and just call them "butt-kickers"? :D

Jeff O'Connor
July 6th, 2004, 03:15 PM
HA! I'd go for ENIAC!

Why can't they just get off the memoralizing high horse and just call them "butt-kickers"? :D

...Colonel O'Neill, is that you!? :p

Anthro Girl
July 6th, 2004, 03:18 PM
...Colonel O'Neill, is that you!? :p
Oh please...O'Neill would never say "memorializing". ;)

Jeff O'Connor
July 6th, 2004, 03:22 PM
Oh please...O'Neill would never say "memorializing". ;)

True! :D

DownFallAngel
July 6th, 2004, 04:08 PM
MacGuyver Class
Trojan Class
Hammond Class

Jeff O'Connor
July 6th, 2004, 04:10 PM
MacGuyver Class
Trojan Class
Hammond Class

Trojan Class: Perhaps.
Hammond Class: Oooh, I could so see that. After all, the President didn't know how to thank him!
MacGyver Class: I would fall off of my seat in laughter. :p

Lostinmyownvoid
July 6th, 2004, 08:47 PM
The Macgyver Class of ships should be salvaged/refit ships or ships that salvage and refit other ships. Also I think that they need an class of ships that is designed for "mop-up" operations bigger than an F-302 but way smaller than an BC-303 ment to stay in system after battles and scour it for left over enemy ships (fighters, scouts, life pods, transports) basically a big gun, high power sensor array, and cockpit.

AgentX
July 6th, 2004, 08:58 PM
Heh, ENIAC would be cool, but I still like the old tested method of naming it after cities and people.

I think O'Neill would enjoy the title: "Spruce Moose"

Burns: To the plant Smithers, We'll take the Spruce Moose
Smithers: Sir, it's just a model
Burns: <pointing gun> I said....hop in"

BringerOfLight
July 7th, 2004, 10:55 AM
The first ship of a class is always named after the class, so the original BC-303 should be named Prometheus. Following a Greek mythology naming convention the second and third ships should be named Hercules and Achilles.

Anubis
July 7th, 2004, 10:58 AM
It may be possible. That would be good names though

PYRO
July 7th, 2004, 11:06 AM
Since i'm so awsome, there gonna name the next one:

PYRO :D



Since I contributed to SG-1 so much by lying on the couch. :p

DownFallAngel
July 7th, 2004, 11:33 AM
To tell you the truth...those greek names really don't do it for me. What other greek gods are left?

BringerOfLight
July 7th, 2004, 11:37 AM
None of them were gods. Prometheus was the first man, Hercules was the half-god son of Zeus who completed twelve tasks that were impossible for any mortal to do, and Achilles was probably the greatest warrior in Greek history and was also completely invulnerable except for his left heel.

Anthro Girl
July 7th, 2004, 11:55 AM
To tell you the truth...those greek names really don't do it for me. What other greek gods are left?
I agree. There's Apollo, Gemini, Mercury, Saturn, but they've already been used. Maybe that's why they stuck with Greek names for the SG1 ships? In any case, I think NASA already took all the good ones. The remainder are things like:


Hermes (sounds too much like...oh, nevermind)
Poseidon (did you ever see that movie?)
Hades (not a chance)
Ares (possibly...god of war)
Atlas (already too much imagery associated with him)
Cronus (been there, done that)
Tethys (nobody would be able to spell it)

There are lots more, but they just don't roll off the tongue and imply "big, honkin' spaceship". :D

In reality, I think the US would name the first spaceship the "Enterprise", as they have done in the past. In fact, we already did (http://www.cs.umanitoba.ca/~djc/startrek/SNE.html#Shuttle). ;) However, I doubt they could get clearance on the show for SG-1 to repeatedly call their ship "Enterprise". Suggesting it, as was done in Unnatural Selection, is a homage.

DownFallAngel
July 7th, 2004, 12:00 PM
I think Apollo and Gemini class are cool names.

BringerOfLight
July 7th, 2004, 03:36 PM
Again, none of the names I suggested were those of gods, just humans who gained notoriety in Greek mythology.

DownFallAngel
July 7th, 2004, 03:41 PM
....I still think they are cool.

Anthro Girl
July 7th, 2004, 04:21 PM
I didn't say they were gods. I just said they were Greek. ;) In any case, Apollo and Gemini are cool, which is probably why they're already taken. :rolleyes:

I'm going back to my original "butt-kickers" idea...

Elitenova
July 7th, 2004, 04:37 PM
Gemini and all other greek stuff should belong to Nasa's name for their fleet of EC-303 and the military should have their BC-303.

aeroe
July 7th, 2004, 06:19 PM
We could kiss grey Asgard butt by naming a new ship the Valkyrie.

A nice definition I found by Googling:

'The Valkyries, were warrior maidens who attended Odin, ruler of the gods. The Valkyries rode through the air in brilliant armor, directed battles, distributed death lots among the warriors, and conducted the souls of slain heroes to Valhalla, the great hall of Odin.'

I believe someone inquired about Odin before. He could be in charge of the Asgard council, including Thor. Maybe we'll find out in S8.

Vyse
July 7th, 2004, 06:25 PM
Don't name it Enterprise :eek: ! Current Star Trek sucks big time, that would bring down Stargate :rolleyes: !

Jelmer
July 8th, 2004, 01:00 AM
Actually I doubt very much Paramount could have any claim on the names "Enterprise" and "Voyager". Enterprise is the name of a US warship I believe and as such wouldn't be a strange choice. Besides that there's Voyager which is a logical choice of name for a spaceship IMO and also the name of 2 explorer satalites that have been sent into space by NASA.

I know Dutch law doesn't allow for trademarking such names that have already been used in real life, so I would guess the US law doesn't allow for it either but I have been surprised by US law before.

But besides the legal point, it would be a bit too big a reference to the ST universe. SG stands on its own and a quick reference like in "Unnatural Selection" is all right, but naming a recurring ship after ST would be a bit to big. So I think the writers wouldn't do it because it is just a bit too big a reference.

KorbenDirewolf
July 8th, 2004, 11:03 AM
Something simple.. Maybe Bob, Tom, Fred, Jane, Kate or something along those lines.

Anubis
July 8th, 2004, 11:04 AM
We know what O'Neill is like, keeping things simple!

DownFallAngel
July 8th, 2004, 11:41 AM
Hammond class is still needed.

Anubis
July 8th, 2004, 11:44 AM
Of course, why wouldn't it be?

DownFallAngel
July 8th, 2004, 11:46 AM
You forget who is vice president....

Anubis
July 8th, 2004, 11:47 AM
Oh yes. No Bob. No Bob. How about, The Anubis? lol

Janus
July 8th, 2004, 11:48 AM
We'll get rid of him somehow... :D

Anubis
July 8th, 2004, 11:49 AM
I agree. Hmmm...goes O'Neill, alien device and a sniper rifle ring any bells? lol

KorbenDirewolf
July 8th, 2004, 12:13 PM
Okay.. Maybe Henry, George, Jonathan, Daniel, Samantha...

Torley
July 8th, 2004, 01:07 PM
Name them after defeated/deceased Goa'uld... hehehe... what better way to name your technological triumph than in mockery (as opposed to honor) of a slain foe!

Anthro Girl
July 8th, 2004, 01:26 PM
"Hi there! I'm Colonel Jack O'Neill. This is Major Samantha Carter, Doctor Daniel Jackson and Teal'c. And this is our ship, Bob."

"Colonel. Major. Doctor. Teal'c. Bob. Nice to meetcha!"
Heh. I like it! :D

BringerOfLight
July 8th, 2004, 05:05 PM
/me looks at the people suggesting silly names, pulls out large rainbow trout, and starts slapping away

Fools! Ship names have to mean something, not be a random name just for the hell of it!

[This entire post was made in a semi-joking manner, so don't take (too much) offense.]

Anthro Girl
July 8th, 2004, 06:21 PM
A trout-slap, eh? Well, we'll see about that...

I'm probably responsible for some of this silliness, but c'mon...naming a ship after something BIG and POWERFUL and BIG and...did I say BIG? Well, it's such a cliche, don't you think? Haven't you ever just wanted to see an aircraft carrier called "Fluffy"? :p

Selmak
July 8th, 2004, 08:21 PM
I don't get why people get so hung up on this enterprise thing... it's just a joke in the show.

Torley
July 8th, 2004, 09:33 PM
Haha yeah... beware the irate Trekkies... oops, Trekkers... ooops!?! What term shall I use now? (I am into Star Trek too, and find the Stargate refs to it to be delightful!)

KorbenDirewolf
July 9th, 2004, 12:22 PM
But my suggestions do mean something! It means... I'm hungry.

Anubis
July 9th, 2004, 12:24 PM
lol Hungry. Right now, you? lol

BringerOfLight
July 9th, 2004, 03:21 PM
A trout-slap, eh? Well, we'll see about that...

I'm probably responsible for some of this silliness, but c'mon...naming a ship after something BIG and POWERFUL and BIG and...did I say BIG? Well, it's such a cliche, don't you think? Haven't you ever just wanted to see an aircraft carrier called "Fluffy"? :p

I have to admit, it would be funny. It'd be even better if it were named "Fluffy the Destroyer", but I'm sure the owner of said puppy would become irate and claim copyright violations.

STG-1
July 10th, 2004, 01:24 AM
Were is everyone in this string coming from?

First of all, these are US Air Force spacecraft, not US Navy. Don't expect the Air Force to be naming them like the Navy does. Far from it. Aircraft Carriers are currently named after US Presidents or real important Navy people. Subs are named after states or cities depending on the size of the sub.

The USAF names their vehicles using a complete different set of rules. Yes, rules. After all it is a military organization. Most likely a committee of generals, locked in a smoke filled room somewhere, will choose the names. But don't expect them to be named for living people. Most likely they are named after famous deceased aviators, like Air Force bases are. Some examples would be the "Hap Arnold", the "Billy Mitchell", Vandenberg.

Anthro Girl
July 10th, 2004, 09:29 AM
Awww, why do you have to go and ruin all the fun? :p I'm still pushing for a ship called "Fluffy".

Is it my imagination, or is the Prometheus the first (fictional, d'oh) Earth-born spaceship to have Air Force-like rather than Navy-like officers/reference/ownership? Not that the Star Trek ships are controlled by the Navy, but the references certainly are Navy-like (Captain, bridge, sick bay, etc.). I don't watch enough TV sci-fi to know, so ST is the only other example I can think of right now...maybe it's the only one? In RL, the Space Shuttle has more plane-like references than ship-like. Do submarines have "pilots" or just "navigators"?

STG-1
July 10th, 2004, 09:55 AM
Awww, why do you have to go and ruin all the fun? :p I'm still pushing for a ship called "Fluffy".

Is it my imagination, or is the Prometheus the first (fictional, d'oh) Earth-born spaceship to have Air Force-like rather than Navy-like officers/reference/ownership? Not that the Star Trek ships are controlled by the Navy, but the references certainly are Navy-like (Captain, bridge, sick bay, etc.). I don't watch enough TV sci-fi to know, so ST is the only other example I can think of right now...maybe it's the only one? In RL, the Space Shuttle has more plane-like references than ship-like. Do submarines have "pilots" or just "navigators"?

The history of all Air Forces is mixed with navy terms. In either case, every "craft" (air or sea) has a "commander" that is called a "captain". The US Navy as a lot of "aircraft" along with their "ships" (FYI - the US Coast Guard has "boats", not "ships"). But the USAF has only one "ship" that I know of, and that is the one used to recover Space Shuttle rocket motors after a Shuttle launch.

Anyway, yes, the Prometheus is shown as an USAF "spacecraft" instead of a US Navy one mainly because in the RW, the USAF currently has the lead in space operations over the US Navy and US Army. It is "manned' by USAF personnel with USAF rank and other traditions. But it's always political and things can change in time (I hope not since I am pro-USAF).

FYI - and yes, Star Trak was based on US Navy traditions and rank structure (i.e. Star "Fleet" Command).

Eitherway, after 17+ years in the USAF, it is my pet peve to find little errors in military type TV shows and movies.

the adventurer
July 10th, 2004, 10:16 AM
How about naming them after Egyption Gods?



;)

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 10:16 AM
That would be great. Such as the Ra or the Anubis or the Tutankhuman (however it is spelt :))

Janus
July 10th, 2004, 10:24 AM
Name them after the enemy !?
Are you sick ? O'Neill would freak out !

Anthro Girl
July 10th, 2004, 10:26 AM
Eitherway, after 17+ years in the USAF, it is my pet peve to find little errors in military type TV shows and movies.
Ah, so the you would notice! I barely notice other than what I referenced above. The only other thing I know is that boats and ships are "female", even with a name like the "USS Dwight D. Eisenhower". ;)

If we Earthlings ever get a real spacecraft program going, it'll be interesting to see how the structure of command and operation develops.

Anthro Girl
July 10th, 2004, 10:31 AM
How about naming them after Egyption Gods? ;)
As in "homage to the enemy"? As if they don't already have big enough egos? I don't think so. :D SG-1 should return the favor and name the big ships after Norse gods. It could lead to some great "Who's on first base?" moments.

Hohenzollern
July 10th, 2004, 10:48 AM
If you guys remember, O'Niell did suggest the "Enterprise", however Sam laughingly informed him the Joint Chiefs turned it down, in favor of naming it after the originating project. This was in sea 6 "Unnatural Selection" I think.
As an homage?

Prometheus was an apt name for the project; Prometheus being the one who stole the tech of the gods and gave it to humankind. Prometheus was based on tech from the Asgard ship that crashed at Roswell or was it off coast of Alaska <??>. Never was sure if Sam was lying to the camera crew in Prometheus or presenting facts of the story.

I don't support the designation of "BC (Battle Cruiser)", feeling that it is more appropriately an Escort Carrier or Assault Ship, like an LHD, LHA in the US Navy.

As the ship is named Prometheus, the subsequent ships of that type would be referred to as Prometheus Class or (ugh) BC303 Class. Traditionally they would have similiar names. In this case greek mythology, not necessarily Gods but personalities interceding on Humankind's behalf against or unjustly screwed over by the "gods" (now known to have been the Goa'ould) "Jason", "Perseus", "Pandora", etc.

There is precedent in naming a ship after notable figures, even if outside the general "theme" of a class of names. A Gen Hammond would be nice, but according to tradition should not be done while Gen Hammond is on active duty. Once he is retired, sure. I would think he would rate a larger Battle Carrier or true dreadnought class ship. Asgard have the right idea. Some of their better classes are O'Niell, Daniel Jackson, etc. Suprised no Samantha Carter shown yet after she pulled their butt out of the fire with her unconventional ideas to save the Asgard from a replicator attack.

I, myself, am MOST partial to Kzinti names!! "Nesting Slashtooth *itch", "Son's Revenge", etc. The ones from Niven's Man-Kzin wars...not the "watered down Kzin" featured in the old Animated Trek series. ;-D

As a US flagged ship, it would be referred to as "she". Different in some cultures. If the Germans, for example, contributed resources and crew to field a ship after the program were/(if) made public, it would be referred to as a "he".

Orange Crush
July 10th, 2004, 12:52 PM
I'd like to see some Goa'uld-mocking names . . . possibly "Ra is Toast", "Apophis went splat", "Whatever happened to Anubis?" and "Cold enough, Hathor?".

-Nick

STG-1
July 10th, 2004, 01:01 PM
I don't support the designation of "BC (Battle Cruiser)", feeling that it is more appropriately an Escort Carrier or Assault Ship, like an LHD, LHA in the US Navy.

As the ship is named Prometheus, the subsequent ships of that type would be referred to as Prometheus Class or (ugh) BC303 Class. Traditionally they would have similiar names. In this case greek mythology, not necessarily Gods but personalities interceding on Humankind's behalf against or unjustly screwed over by the "gods" (now known to have been the Goa'ould) "Jason", "Perseus", "Pandora", etc.


I agree that it should not be classified as a "Battle Cruiser"; after all, it is a USAF craft, not a US Navy craft! Who's calling it a BC anyway? I didn't see that any where on the official SG-1 website. If it is there, then the producers messed up again because no one in this USAF would call it that. And if it does have two letters (BC) they would stand for "Bomber/Cargo-303" meaning that it has a dual role. First as a bomber and second as a Cargo spacecraft. The X-303 or BC-303 is a "model" number, no more, no less. Meaning that there is going to be a lot of them (more than 25).

The USAF doesn't use "class" designation as the Navy does. The USAF only uses number configurations. However, large aircraft might be given individual names. All of the B-2s are named after cities (i.e. "Spirit of Seattle"). Most C-17s are also named individually too. I guess it depends upon how much the craft costs. So a $2-4 Billion spacecraft would indeed get its own name, but it's not a "class" name.

So, the 'Prometheus' is a X(BC)-303 type "spacecraft" that has a name. It is not a "ship."

FYI - "X" means experimental, "F" is for fighter, "A" for attack, "B" for bomber, "C" for cargo, "R" for recon, and there was even a "P" for pursuit back in the Army Air Corp days. Plus, the USAF does use some two letter model codes: AC-130 which is a Gunship, it is an attack aircraft based on a cargo aircraft frame; a KC-10 or KC-767 is a cargo refueler; and the good old SR-71 is a Strategic Reconnaissance aircraft. Wait, it gets worse...AL-1A is the designation for the planned ABL ("Airborne Laser") aircraft, a Boeing 747 equipped with a high-power laser to intercept and destroy ballistic missiles.

Go to http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/nonstandard-mds.html to be really confused.

Bottom line: The "X-303" is just a model number, just like the YF-22 ("Y" meaning pre-production, but post experimental use to be the X-22, and will be the F-22 went it goes into production.



There is precedent in naming a ship after notable figures, even if outside the general "theme" of a class of names. A Gen Hammond would be nice, but according to tradition should not be done while Gen Hammond is on active duty. Once he is retired, sure. I would think he would rate a larger Battle Carrier or true dreadnought class ship.

No, no, no...until the naming of the USS Ronald Reagan, no US warship was ever named after a living person, retired or not, period! You have to be dead first. The only way that one would be named for Hammond is if he was killed in the line of duty. Plus remember, he's only a general officer doing what a general officer is trained and paid to do! If one were to be named after him, after his death, but not KIA, then it would be a smaller craft, like one of the X-302s. Sorry, but politics plays a BIG part in this stuff. Hey, we're only dreaming out loud anyway. This is all Sci-Fi stuff.

If anyone, it would be named after O'Neill or Carter if he/she stayed dead after being killed for the X time.

STG-1
July 10th, 2004, 01:19 PM
If you need more official information on this subject, go to http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/mdsallocation.html

At the very bottom of this webpage you will find a link to get you the pdf file for the joint Air Force/Army/Navy procedures for "Designating and Naming Military Aerospace Vehicles."

Air Force Joint Instruction 16-401, Army Regulation 70-50, and Navairinst 8800.3A

Hey, we're talking US military here, so what did you expect, something simple?

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 01:21 PM
Too right. Nothing is simple nowadays!

Dogma00
July 10th, 2004, 01:24 PM
I think the names should run the path that their currently on. Using the names of greek gods/or mythical creatures.

My list

Pegasus
Athen
Minerva

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 01:29 PM
I like those names, although I doubt they will be named those

the adventurer
July 10th, 2004, 01:49 PM
Howabout the Christian Patheon? They always get the shaft when naming things

Anubis
July 10th, 2004, 01:52 PM
Cool name, I like it

Avalar
July 10th, 2004, 02:11 PM
Name a ship after Thor. Come on, he already named two ships after members of SG-1, let's repay that little tidbit :)

STG-1
July 10th, 2004, 05:17 PM
There have been several USAF officers killed in the line of duty from the other SG teams during these past seven seasons, correct? I would say that one of them would most likely be choosen first in the RW.

AgentX
July 10th, 2004, 05:24 PM
The Janet Frasier. Sounds interesting.

Even though there have been several occasions when SGC has lost members I don't think that automatically entitles them to getting a ship named after them. Usually if they name them after humans, they are of historic significance. Presidents and those types. As cold as it may sound its the truth.

the adventurer
July 10th, 2004, 06:47 PM
Howabout great Leaders from world History? The Napolean, The William, The Washington, The Khan, etc....

STG-1
July 10th, 2004, 06:50 PM
Many USAF airbases and US Navy ships (destroyers and smaller) have been named after those military members KIA. True, just getting KIA doesn't mean that you get something named after you. But if you were the first member of your organization to be KIA, that would count, as well as someone who saved a lot of others before getting KIA. :)

DownFallAngel
July 10th, 2004, 06:54 PM
The Janet Frasier. Sounds interesting.

Maybe instead of that, the Nightengale Class? As in Florence Nightengale ( revolutionized nursing and nurse practices).

Torley
July 10th, 2004, 07:06 PM
Wasn't that a ship from an episode of ST: Voyager that Harry Kim captained?

AgentX
July 10th, 2004, 07:18 PM
Nightengale. Yeah Harry took command, but if I recall correctly not a great job was done.

Maybe the Asgard just aren't that creative and really can't think of a better name than the Daniel Jackson.

STG-1
July 10th, 2004, 08:14 PM
OK, after reading the official USAF/USA/USN regulations on the naming of aerospace craft, the "Prometheus" should be a BCS-303 type spacecraft. Here "B" stands for Bomber, "C" for Transport, and "S" for Spaceplane. This BCS means that it was designed mainly as a transport, but it has major offensive and defensive weapons onboard. The "S" is added to all spaceplanes (i.e. those craft that operate mainly outside of earth atmosphere, but takes off and lands like an airplane).

Lostinmyownvoid
July 10th, 2004, 09:38 PM
OK, after reading the official USAF/USA/USN regulations on the naming of aerospace craft, the "Prometheus" should be a BCS-303 type spacecraft. Here "B" stands for Bomber, "C" for Transport, and "S" for Spaceplane. This BCS means that it was designed mainly as a transport, but it has major offensive and defensive weapons onboard. The "S" is added to all spaceplanes (i.e. those craft that operate mainly outside of earth atmosphere, but takes off and lands like an airplane).

But the BC-303's aren't bombers they are Battle Cruisers.

STG-1
July 10th, 2004, 10:10 PM
But the BC-303's aren't bombers they are Battle Cruisers.

That's were whoever came up with the term "Battle Cruiser" is dead wrong. Since this is clearly a "spacecraft" and NOT a "watercraft", it is rightfully operated by the USAF. The term "Battle Cruiser" has been used by the US Navy for "watercraft", and since it is a Navy term, no USAF general, nor the Sec. of the Air Force, would or should stand for using this term to describe one of their spacecrafts! This is a 50+ years old intra-service battle. So please help me get others straight by using the correct and agreed to descriptions.

Please read my previous post explaining more on this.

ANYWAY: In the RW, all three services have agreed to name aerospace craft this way (Bomber/Transport/Spaceplane - BCS). All three Department Sec.s have signed in agreement.

If the show's producers are saying that it's a "Battle Cruiser", then fans need to tell them of their gross error. But still no one has told me where he or she gets "Battle Cruiser" from, then its just SG-1 fan talk.

Hohenzollern
July 11th, 2004, 12:21 AM
SpaceSHIP.

Navy.

Regardless of current govt procedures for naming whatever "thing" or "tool" they choose to lift into low orbit nowadays; in canons of the various SCIENCE FICTION "universes" the use of "ship", "ship yard", and Navy are well established.

I was thunderstruck SG writers did not go this route. The overall resulting effect is interesting, perhaps. Besides; there may well be joint presence of various branches on board. After all, if the ship is to be a fighting vessel that can project power; someone has to be on board to show the "bus drivers" proper damage control. ;-D Surely they can't deliver cargo all the time. ;-D
Of note; there have been many US Astronauts with Navy Astronaut Wings.

For the foreseeable future, a long-range spaceship is best propelled by atomic power. For that you need a reactor that has high power in a small volume. Only the world's Navies have such reactors. They are generally pressurized water types, and run on highly-enriched uranium (metal-zirconium alloy) and have long core lives, so that refueling is needed only after 10 or more years, and new cores are designed to last 50 years in carriers and 30-40 years in submarines. Could translate well to voyages to near objects such as Mars or the asteroid belt. Only our Navies can deliver this technical know how.

As a longtime SG fan, I was amused, and pleased to read recently that the NASA project to develop atomic reactors for Deep Space Exploration
jointly with Naval Reactors (Department of Energy office that develops them for ocean vessels) ) is named <dramatic pause> Prometheus!!! How cool is that??!!!

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/jimo_fin_040219.html

Of course, this info has been publicly available for sometime. Perhaps the writers are paying it homage? If not; then a fine coincidence!!
As Dept of Energy oversees such activity by mandate, NASA may have little choice but to at least run it through the Naval Reactors office.

The episode "Memento";, I was appalled as they sat down to dinner without so much as a by your leave. The dignitaries were not piped on board!! They did not pipe dinner! Combat drills! Sweepers!! The smoking lamp!! It is a ship, and not even a commissioning plaque on the bridge. tsk tsk tsk! ;-D

Don't even get me started on how Marine Col. Makepeace commands a small squad of four guys and not a Marine Expeditionary Unit, as he should be. Watching the show, you'd think General Officers of O-5 and above grew on trees! They should embark a MEU or as much ground pounders and heavy equipment as could be placed aboard the ship. Diplomacy fails, Aliens give 'em any crap, debark the Marines. The Iron Fist in a velvet glove approach.

"Space Above and Beyond" was a good take on the subject. The U.S. tended to name ships after various predecessor ocean-going vessels. Though the British had a Churchill, Chinese had a Sun Yat Sen, etc.

In "real world" U.S. now also has a Churchill!! So yes, military leaders, emperors, heads of state would be acceptable names in the SG universe. Yes, I agree that Christian Pantheon could be represented. That is a great idea, actually...Hindu also...THEY have plenty of deities to use. The Ramyana prob has oodles of good names. Arab, the Asian philosophies...tons of good ones out there.

These gentleman, Christopher O'Farrell and Christopher Fontaine, have a fine website on Stargate Tech and put several interesting ideas on SG's Prometheus forth more eloquently than I could.

http://www.stargate-tech.net/starships/earth/x303.htm

Just to sum up:
I feel that it is true that "traditional" Naval training to do with sails, lines, and knots would have no place in the vacuum of space, surely modern Naval training would be well suited to the Prometheus?

For example:
Stand off warfare/ projection of force.

Landing troops (ideally Marines) upon a planet; an assault.

The operation of compact, powerful, water cooled, and long lived Atomic Reactors. Only the worlds Navies have such experience.

Most importantly damage control and fire fighting in combat conditions. Also preparation and procedures to insure that damage control is successful when enacted. It is laughable the crew of the Prometheus does not shut the pressure doors between compartments as they move through the ship.
Vacuum of space will kill you faster than the sea.

I definitely feel the Navy might be more visibly represented on the show with regard to Prometheus or similar ships. Perhaps in naming tradition and sure as hell in presence.

"Omnia Facimus"

Joe Chen
July 11th, 2004, 01:14 AM
I rather like the idea of naming the Prometheus class (or any newer ship) after fallen Goa'uld. It would help rally Jaffa to the side of the Tauri. Think about it.

Scene: on a planet controlled by some minor Goa'uld

Teal'c: Brothers and sisters, above us entering into the atmosphere is the Tauri battleships, The Anubis and The Ra (or any other defeated Goa'uld). They are not gods, and neither are those you serve. Rise up against them, and join the Tauri to defeat them.

(Big ass ships enter into the atmosphere as 302s buzz the crowd.)

Anubis
July 11th, 2004, 02:27 AM
I would certainly like to see The Anubis (i wonder why)

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 04:37 AM
S-101 - Any future scout vessel
S-201 - F-302
S-301 - BC-303
S-401 - Cargo/Mining ship
S-501 - Junkyard vessel (Picks up debree from destroyed vessels)
S-601 - Medical/Troop Transportvessel - Planetary invasion ship.*
S-000 - planned vessels under research and such.

* Would have Asgard transporters, so it's easy to get the troops on the planet, and getting the injured up to the ship quickily.

When future advancements come I would call an upgraded F-302 a S-202 and so on, A major jump in design/technology would become S-221.

With the BC-303 same would go there, small changes would become S-302 and when vessels got bigger and better they would become S-311.

good names: The Kawalski, The Fraiser. The Lantash, The Martouf, and so on after fallen allies.

KorbenDirewolf
July 11th, 2004, 10:51 AM
Starting in "Enemy Mine" General Vidrine and almost everyone else who spoke of the ships used the term BC-303s or battle cruisers.

Janus
July 11th, 2004, 11:22 AM
Page 5 ? The thread I started made it to page 5 ?
Wow !

But to get back on topic,

What about naming the new ships after important topographical features.
Rivers, mountains, things like that ?

Anubis
July 11th, 2004, 11:27 AM
How about Yosemite?

Janus
July 11th, 2004, 11:41 AM
Yeah, that should work.
A few other ideas:

- St. Helen
- Volga
- Krakatau
- Rio Grande
- Rubicon
- Nile

Etc...

Hohenzollern
July 11th, 2004, 02:20 PM
Yes, definitely. Naming ships after Terran topographical features is a fine idea.

The runabouts on DS9 were named after Terran rivers. Rio Grande, Oronico, Yangtze, etc.

I loved how in Wing Commander IV, the massive battle carriers were named after active Volcanoes.

To this day, when gaming, I name my largest capital ships after active volcanoes! I got a text file listing them all from a geologic survey site.
Those icelandic ones are hard to type in!!

I think names of active volcanoes would be better in the event earth built Ha'tak class vessels or the Anubis/Apothis type Uber motherships.

Anubis' mothership looks like a "BCV Myrdalsjökull"!!

Hohenzollern
July 11th, 2004, 02:56 PM
Of note, I have also named ships after hot actresses!! Mostly from "legtitmate" cinema, but some porn starlets in there too! ha ha ha.

These were usually raider class, cloaking vessels.

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 02:57 PM
haha porn stars. Nice idea:>

STG-1
July 11th, 2004, 06:38 PM
SpaceSHIP.
Just to sum up:
I feel that it is true that "traditional" Naval training to do with sails, lines, and knots would have no place in the vacuum of space, surely modern Naval training would be well suited to the Prometheus?

For example:
Stand off warfare/ projection of force.

Landing troops (ideally Marines) upon a planet; an assault.

The operation of compact, powerful, water cooled, and long lived Atomic Reactors. Only the worlds Navies have such experience.

Most importantly damage control and fire fighting in combat conditions. Also preparation and procedures to insure that damage control is successful when enacted. It is laughable the crew of the Prometheus does not shut the pressure doors between compartments as they move through the ship.
Vacuum of space will kill you faster than the sea.

I definitely feel the Navy might be more visibly represented on the show with regard to Prometheus or similar ships. Perhaps in naming tradition and sure as hell in presence.

"Omnia Facimus"

Sorry, but I totally disagree with you. While this may be Sci-Fi, the producers of SG-1 want their show to be a real as possible. Just because Sci-Fi has been calling things wrong for the past 30+ years doesn't mean that we have to follow lockstep to incorrect assumptions. RW says USAF, and that's how it should be, and hopefully will stay with this show. It is clearly a refreshing idea from the old way of everything navy-this and navy-that.

P.S. I take it that you are a frustrated landlocked Texan who would surely love to be in at sea, but for some reason can't.

All in all...This is just your option against mine, and this is Sci-Fi land.

Ancient 1
August 11th, 2004, 12:43 PM
they will probably be named like aircraft carriers... names of dead historical people and cities.
The "Reaganite" instead of the SS Reagan

Ancient 1
August 11th, 2004, 12:47 PM
How about naming them after dead SciFi writers? Or even not dead ones?

The Asimov. :cool: