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Thoth
July 5th, 2004, 01:57 PM
I was just watching First Contact and I saw the Borg Queen die. Picard snapped her neck in half presumably killing her. But, she is still in the whole series and the last ep of Voyager (Endgame). And she dies again. How the hell is this possible. She's dead, unless she has an evil, or eviler ;), twin, she can't show up in Endgame.

And don't say that she didn't die in Endgame and that First Contact was after Voyager arrived home, because, well, it wasn't. First of all, if the Federation had transphasic torpedos don't you think they would have used them? And the Borg was crippled after the Janeways' (both of them) assault on them, so the Borg wouldn't have been too fit for duty! And 7 of 9 says clearly in an ep that the Borg were present at First Contact, so at the time of her removal from the Collective, First Contact must have already happened.

So, any ideas?

DownFallAngel
July 5th, 2004, 02:22 PM
Could she have tranfered her concious through the BORG nueral net, and just built herself a new body?

Jprime
July 5th, 2004, 04:58 PM
You think in such three dimensional terms! ;)

Since later episodes define the Queen as being the Collective's organisational unit, it stands to reason that the body is only built when the Borg need a face to speak with.

DownFallAngel
July 5th, 2004, 07:02 PM
Myabe she created a virus that became the nanodes that created the borg, and she IS the original, so maybe she has always had that body.

Newbie
July 5th, 2004, 07:55 PM
Nah Jprime is totally right. The body is not the queen, queen is the hive mind. it's confusing, but the Borg might still be out there. :(

JDakkon
July 5th, 2004, 10:15 PM
Another possibility is that the Borg has the capability of time travel as well (as seen in first contact). The Borg could have easily manipulated time to save the queen.

Mio
July 6th, 2004, 07:30 AM
The queen probably exists in a distributed net sort of way.

No matter if her body is destroyed, a new one can be created that will speak for her.

Bast
July 6th, 2004, 07:42 AM
Cloning!

The Hive mind is the real power , But it needs the queen with individual thoughts to be abled to adapt and coordinate the Collective.

I am pretty sure they have some kind restart reboot system that makes a new queen if the original is killed.

Mio
July 6th, 2004, 08:45 AM
Borg Drone: Our queen is dead...

Other Borg Drone: Great. Someone get the paperclip....

Thoth
July 6th, 2004, 09:26 AM
Borg Drone: Our queen is dead...

Other Borg Drone: Great. Someone get the paperclip....

Huh?

Roatbaum
July 7th, 2004, 12:29 AM
Another possibility is that the Borg has the capability of time travel as well (as seen in first contact). The Borg could have easily manipulated time to save the queen.

So...you are suggesting that the Borg went back in time and undid what Picard did when he went back in time?Paradox city.

Supreme Commander Thor
July 8th, 2004, 09:56 PM
Paradox city.
Yeah, I love thinking about those types of things. After a few hours my mind turns into Patrick Star...

Jprime
July 9th, 2004, 04:06 AM
Yeah but the big massive Star Trek time-travel goof is that conveniently, everybody ALWAYS remembers the previous timeline, even if they changed things so it never existed (with a few notable exeptions)! And what was the point of showing (in the movie The Voyage Home )Earths oceans evaporating and Starfleet blowing apart every second scene, like they were on some sort of time limit in the PAST??? Why not just return to a second after you left ??? :cool:

Mio
July 9th, 2004, 06:33 AM
Huh?
Most reset buttons require a paperclip or other thin object to press.

Thoth
July 10th, 2004, 06:46 AM
Most reset buttons require a paperclip or other thin object to press.

Oh right! I get it now. Took me a while tho. ;)

Daniel Jackson
July 23rd, 2004, 01:29 PM
I was just watching First Contact and I saw the Borg Queen die. Picard snapped her neck in half presumably killing her. But, she is still in the whole series and the last ep of Voyager (Endgame). And she dies again. How the hell is this possible. She's dead, unless she has an evil, or eviler ;), twin, she can't show up in Endgame.

And don't say that she didn't die in Endgame and that First Contact was after Voyager arrived home, because, well, it wasn't. First of all, if the Federation had transphasic torpedos don't you think they would have used them? And the Borg was crippled after the Janeways' (both of them) assault on them, so the Borg wouldn't have been too fit for duty! And 7 of 9 says clearly in an ep that the Borg were present at First Contact, so at the time of her removal from the Collective, First Contact must have already happened.

So, any ideas?
The Borg Queen and her mind is like a computer and it's operating system. Say you backup the operating system on a website every second. Now, your computer gets smashed. Is your operating system gone? Nope, build a new PC and download it from the website. I know computers don't work like that, but you get the idea. When the Queen went into the past, she had herself built on that Borg Sphere inside the Borg Cube. When the sphere enterred the past, we then had 2 Queens. One in the present, and a duplicate of herself, if you will, in the past, attempting to alter Earth's history. Had she succeeded, she would be integrated with the Queen of that time perriod. So, when we see the Queen in "Dark Frontier", she has to build a new body to interract with Seven. She was killed on her diamond ship, chasing the Delta Flyer when her ship was destroyed, which explains why she had to rebuild herself again in "Unimatrix Zero". The Queen survived "Unimatrix Zero" which is why she was already constructed in "Endgame". However, this time, the collective was nearly destroyed, so she might actually have died this time.

LordAnubis
July 28th, 2004, 01:20 PM
I was just watching First Contact and I saw the Borg Queen die. Picard snapped her neck in half presumably killing her. But, she is still in the whole series and the last ep of Voyager (Endgame). And she dies again. How the hell is this possible. She's dead, unless she has an evil, or eviler ;), twin, she can't show up in Endgame.

And don't say that she didn't die in Endgame and that First Contact was after Voyager arrived home, because, well, it wasn't. First of all, if the Federation had transphasic torpedos don't you think they would have used them? And the Borg was crippled after the Janeways' (both of them) assault on them, so the Borg wouldn't have been too fit for duty! And 7 of 9 says clearly in an ep that the Borg were present at First Contact, so at the time of her removal from the Collective, First Contact must have already happened.

So, any ideas?
The Borg Queen is constantly downloading info from the Collective and Uploading her thoughts and memories to the collective. She has a lil "harddrive" reserved for Queen stuff, and when her body is destroyed, she uploads "oh oh" protocol, which transfers her most recent memories and thoughts into the Collective, where she hs another drone/body made/build/assimilated per her instructions, then she downloads the Queen program into the new body, and presto, new Queen :)

In some of the post Return of the Jedi books, I read how Emperor Palpatine, an organic being, not a cyborg, was able to transfer his consciousness into cloned bodies of himself, so that he was in fact, immortal -- almost like the Asgard. His mind controlled the Force, not his body.