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April 27th, 2004, 10:21 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 417</FONT>
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Jackson's teammates notice a disturbing change in him when he is reunited with the Harcesis child and given the Goa'uld genetic memory.

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KorbenDirewolf
May 16th, 2004, 08:27 PM
I really liked this show... Only kinda wanted it all to be real. This was the first time that I really enjoyed Michael Shanks as Daniel Jackson. Especially when he hit Moscow.

simon4of4
May 17th, 2004, 12:00 PM
I agree, this was a great episode. I didn't realize it was going to be a dream sequence until it skipped ahead a year. I kept waiting for the plan to fall apart or turn against them or whatever else would have stopped it.

My only complaint is that photo makes it look like Jackson is constipated. :)

KorbenDirewolf
May 17th, 2004, 12:05 PM
Maybe that was one of the effects of the Goa'uld knowledge.. And perhaps the reason they all seen to be evil.

Dramaqueen
June 6th, 2004, 10:05 AM
I have a question about Shifu/Harcesis. Did Oma help him to ascent? Cause Shifu was able to turn into a "glowing energy being" and appeared as a sandstorm. But they were also able to touch him and Dr. Fraiser was even able to take a sample of his blood. So was he part-ascended or something like that?

Elwe Singollo
June 6th, 2004, 10:08 AM
I'm not sure, haven't seen this episode in a while, but did the kid 'ascend' before or after he got a blood sample tooken from him?

Dramaqueen
June 6th, 2004, 10:11 AM
Well, he was the sandstorm before they took the sample...

Elwe Singollo
June 6th, 2004, 10:14 AM
Well, he was the sandstorm before they took the sample...I'm going to have to watch the episode again, :)

Dramaqueen
June 6th, 2004, 10:20 AM
Let me know when you did.
I was wondering if he, like Orlin in 'Ascension' re-took human form... but Orlin said that once he re-took human form he would not be able to ascent without help of the others... and IMO there wasn't the time in AP to..uhm.. re-ascent so... :confused: ... I have no idea.

Elwe Singollo
June 6th, 2004, 10:24 AM
Let me know when you did.
I was wondering if he, like Orlin in 'Ascension' re-took human form... but Orlin said that once he re-took human form he would not be able to ascent without help of the others... and IMO there wasn't the time in AP to..uhm.. re-ascent so... :confused: ... I have no idea."Not enough time"? haha, maybe!

SeaBee
June 12th, 2004, 02:36 AM
I thought I had an answer to this ascended-descended thing, but the more I think about it, the more I realise I might be wrong! But maybe Oma was keeping an eye on the child and helped out with the process. I don't know, though.

Dramaqueen
June 12th, 2004, 10:01 AM
Yeah, thinking about this kind of stuff can really make it even more complicated than it maybe really is.
I was thinking that maybe Shifu was ascended in the same way like the monk in "Maternal Instinct". When he was shot by the Jaffa he became one of these "glowing energy beings" too, but I don't think that he ascended in that moment. I think he kind of ascended before and was just like Shifu able to re-take human form. Maybe because he didn't die before but chose to ascent. So maybe he had to ascent completly in the moment he died.
I see, I'm using the word "maybe" way too often :o so this is just a weird theory that just popped up in my head...

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 09:13 PM
that kid can sure give you bad dreams

AgentX
July 11th, 2004, 09:56 PM
I'm unclear as to the whole issue regarding Shi'fu's ascension/descension, but I am not unclear as to how much anger I felt toward Daniel in this episode. Why do the writers always make Daniel the episodes where he turns out to be a jerk? Either through alien technology or an alternate future. Possibly because they know MS can pull it off, as he does this time. Another wonderfully acted episode from him.

Moscow being destroyed was very cool.

KorbenDirewolf
July 12th, 2004, 07:03 PM
Ah.. I think possibly that the whole ascended being thing wasn't completely thought out when this episode was written and the blood sample thing just slipped by.

Madeleine
July 13th, 2004, 08:28 PM
I'm unclear as to the whole issue regarding Shi'fu's ascension/descension, but I am not unclear as to how much anger I felt toward Daniel in this episode. Why do the writers always make Daniel the episodes where he turns out to be a jerk? Either through alien technology or an alternate future. Possibly because they know MS can pull it off, as he does this time. Another wonderfully acted episode from him.

I didn't see Daniel being a jerk at all. I saw Daniel having a vision in which he turned out to be a jerk. None of it was real, it was all a Shifu-induced vision.

But yes, I agree on the acting.

AgentX
July 13th, 2004, 08:59 PM
I didn't see Daniel being a jerk at all. I saw Daniel having a vision in which he turned out to be a jerk. None of it was real, it was all a Shifu-induced vision.


Sorry, the confusion was my mistake, I had meant Daniel in the vision. I didn't think the actual Daniel was a jerk. Wait... What I meant was that the Daniel in the vision was a jerk. A very driven jerk, but still a jerk :)

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 06:27 PM
So what happened to the kid.. I hope we see him again.

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 06:38 PM
did he go through to with oma again?

LMichelle
September 14th, 2004, 01:11 PM
I thought Evil Daniel was very sexy. :)

Lisa Michelle

cobraR478
September 14th, 2004, 05:48 PM
I'm unclear as to the whole issue regarding Shi'fu's ascension/descension, but I am not unclear as to how much anger I felt toward Daniel in this episode. Why do the writers always make Daniel the episodes where he turns out to be a jerk? Either through alien technology or an alternate future. Possibly because they know MS can pull it off, as he does this time. Another wonderfully acted episode from him.

Moscow being destroyed was very cool.
He did such a good job that I almost wish he was a Goa'uld :P

SeaBee
October 10th, 2004, 01:21 AM
Is it just me, or does MS play madmen a little too well? :D

It seems like every time a nutter is required, they make it Daniel.
It's like he is in SG-1 for archeology, language translation and gibbering! :D ;)

LMichelle
October 26th, 2004, 04:20 PM
I don't think he was a "madman." Usually when referring to this ep, most of us use the term Evil Daniel, even me. However, I now believe he was an entirely different person than Daniel.

His change in personality is first noticeable when he is leading a briefing. He barks off orders to everyone with no option for negotiation. His plans must be done in a year no matter what the cost. Personal requirements fulfilled since he is "cooperating" with the military. Did you see the looks on Hammond and Davis' face?

He interrupts Teal'c's Kelnoreem with no apologies other than a Goa'uld translation he must have now, with no regard to Teal'c's personal time.

Jack questions him about the project and he jumps all over him, telling him to help or leave. No discussion.

He throws Sam in jail because her opinions are in contrast to his as well as his plans for Earth.

Some other observations include the house he's living in. Daniel would never live in such a spacious and elegantly decorated mansion. Too ostenatious for him. Daniel would be embarrassed to drink a glass of two thousand dollar a bottle champagne, yet he offers it to Jack like Jack should be thrilled to partake in it. His clothes are dry cleaned and probably only worn once or twice.

Thoughts? Comments?

Lisa Michelle

Daniel's_twin
November 4th, 2004, 12:27 PM
Wow! What a list of Evil Danny vs. Good ol' space monkey.

I must say I didn't like Shifu all that much (ducks shoe thrown by someone). I like Oma Desala a whole lot more (and I really didn't start liking her until we actually got to see her in human form in 'Meridian'). It was freaky seeing the things that Daniel was imagining doing to his teammates, especially when he imagined using the ribbon device jolt against Carter. Shows just how powerful the Goa'uld genetic memory is and why only Tok'ra are good. :cool:

LMichelle
November 20th, 2004, 04:46 PM
Thanks, Daniel's twin. *blushes* I know I've seen this episode way too many times. :p

I didn't like Shifu too much either. He was annoying.

Erik Pasternak
November 20th, 2004, 05:21 PM
Some other observations include the house he's living in. Daniel would never live in such a spacious and elegantly decorated mansion. Too ostenatious for him. Daniel would be embarrassed to drink a glass of two thousand dollar a bottle champagne, yet he offers it to Jack like Jack should be thrilled to partake in it. His clothes are dry cleaned and probably only worn once or twice. Power corrups and absolute power corrups absolutely!!

cobraR478
November 21st, 2004, 01:31 AM
Power corrups and absolute power corrups absolutely!!
I believe thats what Shifu's point was ;)

JackDaniels
November 21st, 2004, 01:02 PM
I really like this episode, though I agree that Shifu was a little annoying (though his cryptic sentences gave us the whole ball of wax thing). I thought the episode was good in that it happened to Daniel, as he is seen as the 'purest' and most naive character and for him to be corrupted highlighted the evilness of the goa'uld. It also helped him get away from always going through the gate for something related to Sha're and implied that ascended beings aren't always fence sitters.

.:Lemon:.
November 21st, 2004, 01:07 PM
Nice Daniel episode :D I Thought that MS played 'Evil Daniel' very well- very realistic in parts :p I wasn't all to keen on the Shifu kid though

SGFlutegirl
November 21st, 2004, 02:39 PM
This is one of my favorite episodes! I guess I have a thing for evil Daniel. I made a signature with him in it:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/SGFlutegirl/Stargate/Daniel1.png

Erik Pasternak
November 21st, 2004, 03:41 PM
I believe thats what Shifu's point was ;)
Great minds think alike :D

Metarock Sam
February 19th, 2005, 11:24 AM
This episode proves to show how Dangerous a Harsesis can be and it was good to show that it was a vision as it explained that if a person wanted that power they would more than likely use it for evil even under good intentions. Makes you wander if theyt will ever do a AU episode with an evil SG-1 in.

Daniel's_twin
February 20th, 2005, 07:58 AM
I sure hope not. That would be too much of a TOS of Star Trek for my tastes. :cool:

Celsius
March 20th, 2005, 02:49 PM
This episode proves to show how Dangerous a Harsesis can be and it was good to show that it was a vision as it explained that if a person wanted that power they would more than likely use it for evil even under good intentions.

Yes, imagine if the Harcesis had come Apophis' control, blowing up Moscow might be not so far from the truth!

I really liked this episode, I was actually taken in by the dream at first though I was still kinda waiting for some explanation to Daniel's behaviour. Evil Daniel was very well acted by MS, but he was incredibly annoying with all his orders and stuff. Jack was pretty funny as he seemed to be quietly thinking "wtf is going on?"

Shi'fu made a very good point and one that I don't think Daniel will forget any time soon.

SmartFox
March 24th, 2005, 09:24 AM
Is it just me, or does MS play madmen a little too well? :D

It seems like every time a nutter is required, they make it Daniel.
It's like he is in SG-1 for archeology, language translation and gibbering! :D ;)

Yea he does play a crazy person or person who is not quite all there really well. Like in Legacy or Need.

Hywel
March 24th, 2005, 09:28 AM
Yea he does play a crazy person or person who is not quite all there really well. Like in Legacy or Need.
And in Lifeboat.

I really liked this episode - Shifu was played really well. Did he remind anyone else of Dewey from Malcolm in the Middle?

fair_nymph
April 9th, 2005, 07:52 PM
I love, love, love this episode.

Evil Daniel rules, and is so, so sexy. I have to agree that MS plays crazy/power-crazed roles extremely well. He never ceases to amaze me in such situations. I loved his evilness in Need, but he's even better, even more evil here. I couldn't believe that he actually blew up Moscow. And his 'It's like cutting your enemy's heart out.' line. I know, just an imagined Daniel, but still! And what's scary is, if he really had been capable of developing such a weapons system, I'm sure the gov't would have given him the means and power to do so, without question.

The ep was well done in the sense that it wasn't immediately obvious that it was a dream sequence -- not until they tell us 'one year later'. I kept wondering what actually happened to Teal'c during that time, as they all kept referring to an incident with him.

Just the technology, and Daniel developing it and comandeering it, was extremely cool. I loved the way the weapons looked, and how powerfully and flawlessly they performed. Everything, especially the launch, was just so perfect (too perfect to be true, obviously).

I was a bit surprised that the Russians immediately responded by threatening to blow up the new satellite weapons. That seemed a bit extreme to me.

Ultimately I don't really agree with the way the episode ended. I don't think they should have just let all the info go (although I guess they didn't have a choice?). I wish Daniel had been able to remember some of the tech -- even if it had just been that heavy naquadah water fuel source stuff. A wasted opportunity to gain new tech just kills me every time! :(

Jump237
May 23rd, 2005, 07:53 PM
I have a little casting gripe regarding the kid who played Shifu. Now he's supposed to be the offspring of the hosts of Apophis and Shar'e, right? Call me crazy, but I think he should have had more African features. Curly hair, and dark brown eyes are what I expected. There's no way he would have come out looking like that. Apophis' host is a straight up black Egyptian, and Shar'e's people were taken from ancient Egypt, right? Peter Williams is a black man, right? I have the same issue with the kid who plays Teal'c's son Ry'ac, except he did look like a mixed child, yet Teal'c and his wife are straight up black, not even light skinned. A minor quibble, but disappointing for me when they literally whitewash the characters by casting racially ambiguous people when it should be obvious. It's bad enough that this strong black man and excellent role model for young black viewers is given minimal dialogue. I'm always so proud when my little 3 year old nephew proclaims that "I'm Teal'c!" and says "Indeed" in his deepest little voice. This might be hard for many of you to understand, and for that, I'm sorry if I'm not articulating this well.

QuiGonJohn
May 29th, 2005, 01:03 PM
I liked this episode. I did not realize it was a vision until it was made clear. But I was wondering why they didn't suspect something had happened to change Daniel, (aside from just a drive to defeat the Goa'uld). MS did play the part well, as you started to really hate him, during the vision.

After he had the first vision of Teal'c, I thought he was going to call him a sholva.

Beatrice Otter
May 30th, 2005, 07:19 PM
I have a little casting gripe regarding the kid who played Shifu. Now he's supposed to be the offspring of the hosts of Apophis and Shar'e, right? Call me crazy, but I think he should have had more African features. Curly hair, and dark brown eyes are what I expected. There's no way he would have come out looking like that. Apophis' host is a straight up black Egyptian, and Shar'e's people were taken from ancient Egypt, right? Peter Williams is a black man, right? I have the same issue with the kid who plays Teal'c's son Ry'ac, except he did look like a mixed child, yet Teal'c and his wife are straight up black, not even light skinned. A minor quibble, but disappointing for me when they literally whitewash the characters by casting racially ambiguous people when it should be obvious. It's bad enough that this strong black man and excellent role model for young black viewers is given minimal dialogue. I'm always so proud when my little 3 year old nephew proclaims that "I'm Teal'c!" and says "Indeed" in his deepest little voice. This might be hard for many of you to understand, and for that, I'm sorry if I'm not articulating this well.
Nah. I get what you're saying. Shifu bugs me, but Ry'ac doesn't. And of the many reasons for having Teal'c speak more, the one you raise is ... not the least important. I hear he'll be talking more in season 9.

Petroit
June 25th, 2005, 05:07 AM
I think Michael Shanks is very,very good actor.This show was great...is great.And is...really...reference

sg1 volgman
July 18th, 2005, 03:09 PM
I thought this whole thing about daniel turning evil and taking over the world is totally against daniel's character. Daniel wouldn't do anything to harm anyone... or would he. But seriously, Daniel is not the whole 'world domination' type. Maybe Dr. Fraiser... lol. Or teal'c!

Chaka's_Mum
July 18th, 2005, 11:02 PM
I thought this whole thing about daniel turning evil and taking over the world is totally against daniel's character. Daniel wouldn't do anything to harm anyone... or would he. But seriously, Daniel is the whole 'world domination' type. Maybe Dr. Fraiser... lol. Or teal'c!

I suppose it does come across as a bit shocking - but why shouldn't Daniel become drunk with the power he has? Okay, Daniel's behaviour completely contradicts everything he's ever stood for in the past - but this is an entirely new situation; who would be able to resist the temptation? No matter how much a force for reason and right Daniel has been, he's still human - and as susceptible as the rest of us to the baser human instincts - which could have twisted his original desire to protect the planet from the Goa'uld into a desire to control it (either the grid alone or the world in general - not sure which).

On the other hand - as this is a journey that Shifu's taking him through inside his mind. There's the possibility that Daniel being the central protagonist is merely a metaphor for humanity at large. As Shifu explains - he's teaching Daniel - who better to use as a demonstration tool than Daniel himself?

Obviously we'll never know for sure whether Daniel's actions were prompted by Shifu just to show him what could happen, or he was allowed to react as he would have done if it were truly happening. Mind you, I suspect that it was probably the latter version - after all, what greater object lesson could you have to warn you of how you might react than to give you the chance to find out? It's a valuable lesson that Daniel's been taught - and (unlike most of the rest of humanity) he's actually likely to learn from it.

KorbenDirewolf
July 19th, 2005, 10:39 AM
Power corrups and absolute power corrups absolutely!!
Jackson in the vision seemed to be thinking more like "Power corrupts and absolute power is actually pretty neat."

sg1 volgman
July 19th, 2005, 06:00 PM
I suppose it does come across as a bit shocking - but why shouldn't Daniel become drunk with the power he has? Okay, Daniel's behaviour completely contradicts everything he's ever stood for in the past - but this is an entirely new situation; who would be able to resist the temptation? No matter how much a force for reason and right Daniel has been, he's still human - and as susceptible as the rest of us to the baser human instincts - which could have twisted his original desire to protect the planet from the Goa'uld into a desire to control it (either the grid alone or the world in general - not sure which).

On the other hand - as this is a journey that Shifu's taking him through inside his mind. There's the possibility that Daniel being the central protagonist is merely a metaphor for humanity at large. As Shifu explains - he's teaching Daniel - who better to use as a demonstration tool than Daniel himself?

Obviously we'll never know for sure whether Daniel's actions were prompted by Shifu just to show him what could happen, or he was allowed to react as he would have done if it were truly happening. Mind you, I suspect that it was probably the latter version - after all, what greater object lesson could you have to warn you of how you might react than to give you the chance to find out? It's a valuable lesson that Daniel's been taught - and (unlike most of the rest of humanity) he's actually likely to learn from it.

i would! i would do what's best for humanity... one human in particular.. But anyway I agree. I think it is what daniel would do faced with the situation. What I don't get is how he could have dreamed a years worth of dream in a few hours or less. :cool: :cool:

I still wonder what Teal'c would have done.

Chaka's_Mum
July 19th, 2005, 10:47 PM
What I don't get is how he could have dreamed a years worth of dream in a few hours or less. :cool: :cool:

That Shifu is one clever little chap - he probably had some way of compressing it that didn't affect how it played out in Daniel's mind. Either that or Daniel got the 'One Year Later' caption in his dream, of course... :D


I still wonder what Teal'c would have done.

That's a good question. Would Teal'c's Warrior mentality have enabled him to control any impulses to use the weapons in the way that Daniel did? Or would it have driven him to take control of it the very second it was ready and start issuing 'Come and get me you horrible, nasty, reptilian slitherers' ultimatums?

Lida
July 20th, 2005, 07:31 AM
You can dream a lifetime in minutes. Time in a dream has NO correlation to actual time. So Shifu "put" the dream into Danny boy's subconscious, and his brain did the rest. ;)

sg1 volgman
July 20th, 2005, 01:43 PM
That Shifu is one clever little chap - he probably had some way of compressing it that didn't affect how it played out in Daniel's mind. Either that or Daniel got the 'One Year Later' caption in his dream, of course... :D

lol...

one year later...

daniel: "what? what's been going on this past year? where am i? AAAAAAAH! whatever i'll play along"

Beatrice Otter
July 20th, 2005, 09:59 PM
I suppose it does come across as a bit shocking - but why shouldn't Daniel become drunk with the power he has? Okay, Daniel's behaviour completely contradicts everything he's ever stood for in the past.

Not exactly--remember Need? Didn't take long at all to turn Daniel into a power-hungry, arrogant, callous jerk. And a sarcophagus has got to be less damaging to one's personality than dumping thousands of years of cruelty and immorality into one's head. Daniel's always had a streak of intellectual arrogance to him, which given that he really is a very intelligent man is quite natural. It's a far cry from goa'uld-dom, but it does give goa'uldishness an intro to his personality. And that's all it needs. I don't think any human psyche is perfect enough to prevent it.

Chaka's_Mum
July 20th, 2005, 11:05 PM
Not exactly--remember Need? Didn't take long at all to turn Daniel into a power-hungry, arrogant, callous jerk. And a sarcophagus has got to be less damaging to one's personality than dumping thousands of years of cruelty and immorality into one's head. Daniel's always had a streak of intellectual arrogance to him, which given that he really is a very intelligent man is quite natural. It's a far cry from goa'uld-dom, but it does give goa'uldishness an intro to his personality. And that's all it needs. I don't think any human psyche is perfect enough to prevent it.

You're right - I had forgotten 'Need'. :o

It seems inconceivable that the sarcophagus could actually manufacture 'evil' personality traits, so it has to be assumed that they are present in Daniel all the time - merely suppressed by his scruples and moral code. We don't normally see them overtly displayed unless they peep out during one of Daniel's arguments with Jack. After all, no matter how one feels about oneself, there's not a soul alive out there who won't feel aggrieved if people don't share their opinion on something. Everybody has that internal arrogance (except me, of course. ;) ) - Daniel certainly isn't an exception.

I guess that Shifu is aware of those traits the moment he connects with Daniel, and shows him just how easily he could abandon his principles if the right incentive comes along. Certainly, take away Daniel's scruples, and we end up with one scary individual...

sg1 volgman
July 21st, 2005, 04:51 AM
i wouldn't be so sure as to what the sarcophagus can do: remember, it can raise people from the dead and replace full immune systems.

on that note, what would happen if a jaffa was put in a sarcophagus?

Lida
July 21st, 2005, 07:19 AM
People, the reason they named the episode Absolute Power, was because of the famous quote...Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Everyone has their price..... :(

Qasim
July 21st, 2005, 08:27 AM
Any idea who came up with that quote?

sg1 volgman
July 21st, 2005, 09:06 AM
no but i thinkit was somewhere around the time of communist russia

Qasim
July 21st, 2005, 09:15 AM
It was a historian called Lord Acton http://www.libertystory.net/LSTHINKACTON.html


Lord Acton's epic warning that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

Historian Lord Acton (1834-1902) issued epic warnings that political power is the most serious threat to liberty.

Born in Naples, he was educated in England, Scotland, France and Germany, developing an extraordinary knowledge of European political history.

While he never wrote the history of liberty he dreamed about, his essays and letters abound with memorable insights. For instance: "Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end...liberty is the only object which benefits all alike, and provokes no sincere opposition...The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to to govern. Every class is unfit to govern...Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

In his inaugural lecture as Regius Professor of Modern History at Cambridge University, Lord Acton told students: "I exhort you never to debase the moral currency or to lower the standard of rectitude, but to try others by the final maxim that governs your own lives, and to suffer no man and no cause to escape the undying penalty which history has the power to inflict on wrong."

This is ontopic as it is to do with the basis of naming the ep

sg1 volgman
July 21st, 2005, 01:19 PM
oh thanks! I appreciate you taking the time.

Madeleine
July 21st, 2005, 01:33 PM
Is it true though, that absolute power always corrupts absolutely? I don't think so. History shows plenty of dictators who have been benign and not corrupt. Not recently - in modern times the idea of Democracy is so widespread that no one who is not corrupt would even want to be a dictator. But in the days of hereditary rulers not all kings or emperors or chancellors were corrupt, and plenty of them put more into their countries than they took.

As far as the episode goes, I don't think 'absolute power' is what corrupts vision-Daniel anyway, no mater what the episode title is. I think it's the combined memories of generations of evil creatures that drives vision-Daniel to seek the absolute power that he then uses to screw Sam and Moscow. He got the knowledge that turned him evil, then he sought the power.

sg1 volgman
July 21st, 2005, 01:48 PM
No, it doesn't always, it just means that inevitably in a dictatorship, there will be power-hungry people who don't care about the general public.

scarlet
July 21st, 2005, 02:45 PM
I love this episode and it really helps to add another dimention to what we know about the goa'uld at this point, why they are like they are.

Daniel is the perfect person to be shown this first hand - to be shown what could happen if humankind got their hands on the sort of knowledge Shifu had locked away in his subconscious, simply because he's the person (from both his and our point of views) least likely to succumb to the 'pleasures' that this amount of power, and the abuse of it, can bring.
He's the one person we expect most to be morally centred, to remain objective, to think of others before himself - It just wouldn't have had the same impact if it hadn't happened to him.

It's the same lesson the Tollan tried to impress upon SG1 on almost every possible opportunity, the very reason they were so reluctant to share technology. Seeing first hand what could/would happen with such advancements in technology, coupled with the inherantly evil nature of the goa'uld, serves as a much more potent lesson than simply being told "You'll just end up blowing yourselves up if we give you super-weapons!"

MS was excellent - It's great to see him do something like this, that contrasts so much to the Daniel we all know and love.

Definitely a great episode, one of my favourites!

Qasim
July 21st, 2005, 02:46 PM
But the ep shows that the concept for absolute corrruption is always a factor

Perriman33
August 17th, 2005, 07:21 AM
It was funny when shifu said *breakfast is the most important meal of the day* and daniel says * did Oma teach you that?* shifu replies *No the tv did* :D
A good episode for daniel but no-one mentions what happened to teal'c in the dream! :(

1DanielForMe
August 24th, 2005, 07:25 PM
This episode scared me! I was like, "What the hell?" Then Moscow blew up and I was like, "alright, obviously this is some sort of dream or something."
I hate this episode, though, not as much as 'Need', but I prefer not to even see the idea of Daniel being evil!

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 04:48 AM
Weird episode, i hope TPTB dont do something similar agian!

walter_MacChevron
September 17th, 2005, 11:19 AM
I did not like it much.....

skritsys
November 25th, 2005, 04:53 AM
I thought this ep was a bit OTT, and I had a hard time believing that Hammond would not take control of the situation before it escalated. That was just too much for me. Shifu was entertaining and I can understand the point of the so called (possible)dream teaching, but I thought it could have been done better.

timdalton007
November 29th, 2005, 11:27 AM
I'm kinda mixed on this episode. It had some good peformances, particulary from Daniel and Shifu. But I felt the premise was wasted. The idea was good (that Daniel be given the knowledge of the Goa'ulds) but using it in a dream sequence made the whole thing seem like a rip-off of Forever In A Day (which wasn't that good to begin with). I felt it was a terrible end to the whole Harcesis plot line.

timdalton007

Pharaoh Atem
January 4th, 2006, 05:48 AM
it was cool to see the dark side of Daniel for once every member of SG-1 (before season 9) the wirter have exploered jack's dark side (sades of grey)
Carter (season 8) so it was cool to see daniel just not give a darn anymore and willing to sacifice his friends to get what he wanted.

Chaka's_Mum
January 4th, 2006, 10:16 PM
it was cool to see the dark side of Daniel for once every member of SG-1 (before season 9) the wirter have exploered jack's dark side (sades of grey)
Carter (season 8) so it was cool to see daniel just not give a darn anymore and willing to sacifice his friends to get what he wanted.

I agree with that. Everyone has a dark side to them, whether they're willing to admit it or not - and Dr Jackson is no exception. We're so used to Danny being the Voice Of Reason in any given situation where Jack is about to act precipitately that it was quite a shock to the system to watch those principles crumble in the face of the knowledge he is given.

I imagine it scared the whatnot out of Danny as well, once he came to. :danielanime07:

Thor of The Asgard
January 17th, 2006, 12:12 AM
great episode...i liked shifu...nice kid...very smart...
oma give your self a tep on the back! you did well!!
wow! in the mind of daniel...in that dream world...how much power!!!
moscow want bye-bye!!! knowlege can be destructive...

skeezix
February 7th, 2006, 04:47 PM
The satellite weapons were great. I didn't expect Daniel to blow up Moscow though. Out of all the characters he seemed to me to be the least likely to do such a thing. Took me a bit by surprise. Even if everyone has a dark side per se, I still don't see Daniel doing that. Jack trying to shoot him was my favorite part of the episode.

Chaka's_Mum
February 15th, 2006, 10:37 PM
I didn't expect Daniel to blow up Moscow though. Out of all the characters he seemed to me to be the least likely to do such a thing. Took me a bit by surprise. Even if everyone has a dark side per se, I still don't see Daniel doing that.

I know what you mean. It seems almost inconceivable that Daniel (Daniel!) can go off on one if you give him a big, bad satellite weapon system to play with. Of all people, he would appear to be the one who would use it responsibly and correctly (that makes it sound a bit like a VCR, doesn't it? ;) ).

Apparently not. :S

I suppose to some it requires extensive suspension of belief to have him behave so atrociously (understandably, given that he is normally the Voice Of Reason in situations of this type), but to me it seems like Danny was the ideal character to illustrate the concept of absolute power corrupting absolutely. If even he can't control himself, then we're all stuffed!

star47
February 18th, 2006, 07:38 PM
I really liked this episode, in seeing Michael Shanks play a totally different character in a downward spiral, using his friends and getting rid of anyone in his way. Since it was only a dream, it's no use arguing the logic of it as most dreams aren't logical, I know mine aren't! But the set-up was rather neat, not letting us know right away it was a dream, and it's kinda neat with everything he did to everyone else, he and Jack were still friends (until jack tried to shoot him!)

Commander Ivanova
February 19th, 2006, 08:21 AM
to me it seems like Danny was the ideal character to illustrate the concept of absolute power corrupting absolutely. If even he can't control himself, then we're all stuffed!

Precisely the point TPTB were trying to make, I think. Well said!

AGateFan
February 19th, 2006, 05:10 PM
I totally love this ep :).

Otera
March 1st, 2006, 04:54 PM
Ghahhhh! evil Daniel? why, why why? Okay, I saw this the first time, catching it just before we blew up moscow.... ehrr... Daniel blew up mascow, that's what I mean, right?
:daniel:

Chaka's_Mum
March 7th, 2006, 10:46 PM
He did indeed. It was not fun watching Red Square disappearing in whopper fireball either as an event in itself or in knowing who it was that had pulled the proverbial trigger. Both of these aspects were incredibly shocking.

That Shifu was a clever little tyke, though. He was pointing out the perils of getting your mitts on advanced offensive technology you can't handle to the one person who might actually take heed of the lesson and not try to rationalise it away using the 'greater good' argument. I imagine Daniel must have been seriously shocked at his own behaviour once he woke up - even with his principles and beliefs, he still wiped out an entire city. Brr.

harsiesis child
May 26th, 2006, 03:39 AM
I truely like this ep, my pseudo gives it as an evidence :D it is quite philosophic (sg is not only space battles and p90 shots... :rolleyes: ) and very demonstratic of the influence of power even with "good" men (who better than Daniel...?)
and surprise: he is ascended! link with buddhism is well found ;)

captain jake
May 27th, 2006, 05:16 PM
I truely like this ep, my pseudo gives it as an evidence :D it is quite philosophic (sg is not only space battles and p90 shots... :rolleyes: ) and very demonstratic of the influence of power even with "good" men (who better than Daniel...?)
and surprise: he is ascended! link with buddhism is well found ;)

What's wrong with space battles and p-90 shots??

harsiesis child
June 15th, 2006, 05:09 AM
What's wrong with space battles and p-90 shots??

nothing... ;) sg is also very enjoyable for this, but sometimes I have the impression that sg is watched only for this, which is a bit a pity... it cannot be reduced to action ;) sometimes more philosopical (this one) or mystical episodes (fifth race, crystall skull...) are well too :)

Chaka's_Mum
June 20th, 2006, 10:45 PM
I know what you mean. The action stuff is great fun, but it's sometimes nice to step back from that and examine the moral implications of what the Tauri are getting themselves into when they start mucking about with advanced technology.

We often see SG-1 discovering a person/community/planet in need of assistance, and rendering that assistance to the benefit of all and sundry. However, it can't always be like that because (fictional drama notwithstanding) SG-1 is still populated by fallible people who are going to muck up from time to time - and, as we know, they do. This gives Daniel the opportunity to really royally muck up - the absolute muck up to end all muck ups - without lasting consequences. Apart from the lesson he has learned, of course.

It's a nice change of pace to act as a counterpoint for all the space battles.

jckfan55
June 21st, 2006, 11:58 AM
nothing... ;) sg is also very enjoyable for this, but sometimes I have the impression that sg is watched only for this, which is a bit a pity... it cannot be reduced to action ;) sometimes more philosopical (this one) or mystical episodes (fifth race, crystall skull...) are well too :)
I agree. The more thought provoking episodes, IMHO, are one of the things that have distinguished SG1 from a run of the mill Sci Fi show. I like battles with Jaffa as much as the next person and the occasional space battle, but that isn't the only thing the show is about, IMHO.

Chaka's_Mum
August 9th, 2006, 10:38 PM
Me too.

We need to have a bit of introspection now and again, looking at just where all this exploration is taking us, particularly in the search for exciting techy whizz-bangs to use in our fight against the Goa'uld.

Just so long as we don't end up disappearing up our own wormholes, of course...;)

Xellos205
August 20th, 2006, 12:19 PM
This is my favortie episode ever. It the best bc Daniel goes over to the dark side and it opens as nice can of wrooms for fan fiction. To me it start the idea that maybe Daniel going to a higher plan is not a bad idea. :jack:

Chaka's_Mum
August 20th, 2006, 10:51 PM
So true. Who, out of all of us, would have thought it possible that Daniel (Daniel!) could have become so corrupted by power - and to be so utterly matter of fact about it? Scary.

Of all the people in the SGC to behave like that - Daniel was the last. Or so we thought. He's not a cold, calculating nastyperson, is he?

Er - apparently he is. If the circumstances are right, at least.

That's where the impact comes from. It shocks us of course - but it also shocks him when he comes back from it and realises that, despite all his principles, even he isn't immune to the siren song of ultimate power. Neat.

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 25th, 2006, 07:52 AM
'There's just one flaw in your theory; you're assuming this is not what I wanted all along.' - When Jackson Goes Bad should've been the name of this frankly magnificent episode. I loved dark-side Daniel - what a character! He was the complete opposite of Dr Jackson, and it showed that Micheal Shanks is one of the best actors in Stargate.

Let's see what bad stuff dark danny got up to;
- He locked up Sam.
- He blew up Moscow.
- He owned a Mansion (only evil people own mansions, remember!)
- He has a secret underground lair like the bat cave underneath his mansion.
- He created weapons to help him take over the world.
- He defied the President.
- He left Stargate Command, awww.
- He was cooler than Jack in the end.

This ep was definately one of the best ever.

Sprinkles
February 18th, 2007, 07:56 AM
Thought people might find this interesting , Niella has released the Breadbox edition of this episode. :)

http://www.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/episoderedux/breadbox/417bbe.shtml

garhkal
March 6th, 2007, 01:52 AM
I love, love, love this episode.

Evil Daniel rules, and is so, so sexy. I have to agree that MS plays crazy/power-crazed roles extremely well. He never ceases to amaze me in such situations. I loved his evilness in Need, but he's even better, even more evil here. I couldn't believe that he actually blew up Moscow. And his 'It's like cutting your enemy's heart out.' line. ..snip
Just the technology, and Daniel developing it and comandeering it, was extremely cool. I loved the way the weapons looked, and how powerfully and flawlessly they performed. Everything, especially the launch, was just so perfect (too perfect to be true, obviously).

I don't think they should have just let all the info go (although I guess they didn't have a choice?). I wish Daniel had been able to remember some of the tech -- even if it had just been that heavy naquadah water fuel source stuff. A wasted opportunity to gain new tech just kills me every time! :(

I too loved this ep, and wished we could have had SOMETHING from that knowledge remain. Even if only daniel remembered what gou'ald symbology/naming stuff was, so he wouldn't have to always look it up. And as to shifu, and the ascention thing.. I feel it was more that OMA was always there, watching over him, just waiting for him to be done with daniel, so she could reascend shifu.

And as far as michael and his acting goes, this along with lifeboat, FoIaD, need and meridian showcased how great of an actor he is.


It's the same lesson the Tollan tried to impress upon SG1 on almost every possible opportunity, the very reason they were so reluctant to share technology. Seeing first hand what could/would happen with such advancements in technology, coupled with the inherantly evil nature of the goa'uld, serves as a much more potent lesson than simply being told "You'll just end up blowing yourselves up if we give you super-weapons!"

That is actually an excelent point.. And one i would have loved to possibily see others get. It also ties into what Jacob said to sam in point of no return, while teal'c and jack were stranded in that glider.

Chaka's_Mum
March 21st, 2007, 05:31 AM
That is actually an excelent point.. And one i would have loved to possibily see others get. It also ties into what Jacob said to sam in point of no return, while teal'c and jack were stranded in that glider.

I so agree with that - there is always an inherent risk that, granted sudden, easy access to the technology or knowledge that will put us on an equal footing with our enemies, we will simply end up using it against ourselves. As Scarlet put it so neatly, quoted in the ^^ post, sometimes we really do need the object lesson rather than the lecture.

garhkal
March 22nd, 2007, 05:41 PM
I saw a comic in the Pacific Daily News, which almost made me thing of just that..

It started off with a bunch of aliens showing up in orbit, and 'woowing' over our technological weaponry in some of teh satellites we had... then went to a few more satelites being launched... then ended with them looking at one another 'aghast' as an 'underling' told them the earth people had turned all their weapons on one another...

Chaka's_Mum
March 26th, 2007, 11:41 PM
Yup. That sounds like a pretty accurate assessment of how we'd manage our superior technology!

Whether we like it or not, those who do have nice whizzbangy toys to play with are right not to share with us. They've been there, done that and bought the T-shirt so they know that we're not mature enough as a species to handle it yet.

Now Daniel does, too.

Ilana
September 2nd, 2007, 09:22 AM
Did anyone notice that Shi'fu was eating fruit loops? Just thought I'd throw that in....

Sechemech-Ib
September 2nd, 2007, 11:09 AM
Just diving in here to say that this is one of my favourite eps. I love to see Daniel take on another persona from time to time…(Lifeboat, Need, etc.). MS is a very good actor and episodes like this/these give him a chance to showcase that talent. He has mentioned that he enjoys the chance to do something different with the Daniel character, on more than one occasion, in Convention Q & A panels. (Spending 10 years being a “Mister Goody Two-shoes” is probably a little boring for an actor I should think.) :)

As to the blowing things up and P90’s comments…For me one of the great things about Stargate is the balance between action, drama, thought-provoking concepts and comedy. Yes, there are some very funny moments and episodes throughout the series as well.

:indeed:

So, if the whole show has this multidimensional feel to it, it stands to reason that we should also see the same multidimensional-ness (Good grief! Did I say that? is there such a word??!!) of each character throughout the series. Daniel being no exception.

If there “holes” in this particular ep. (and a few have been mentioned) I submit that it has much to do with trying to cram the whole “Absolute power corrupting absolutely” thing into one episode. (Could have made a nice movie…IMHO)

Whatever.......Daniel Rocks! - Good, Evil, Moody, Broody, Ascended, Descended….

He can come to my house for tea anytime! :D :D :D

As to the fruit loops?….I believe Colonel O’Neill requests that they be a staple part of the SGC diet….along with blue jello!
:lol:

DeltaBlast
March 6th, 2008, 12:28 PM
So... what did happen to tealc?

garhkal
March 7th, 2008, 03:41 PM
I believe the 'altered' daniel sent him off on a mission he knew would get teal'c captured/killed...

Chaka's_Mum
March 25th, 2008, 04:48 AM
Indeedy - the last thing EvilDanny would have wanted was a blunt spoken, wise, honorable warrior in the vicinity. Particularly one with the unerring capacity to raise incredibly awkward points of order at just the moment when you're about to do something very morally ambiguous.

Evil Geniuses do not need such people on the staff.

madaboutdanny
March 25th, 2008, 05:18 AM
Indeedy - the last thing EvilDanny would have wanted was a blunt spoken, wise, honorable warrior in the vicinity. Particularly one with the unerring capacity to raise incredibly awkward points of order at just the moment when you're about to do something very morally ambiguous.

Evil Geniuses do not need such people on the staff.
Not to mention that Teal'c killed Sha're and I think Daniel, in a little tiny part of his soul, didn't forgive Teal'c completely....

captain jake
July 1st, 2008, 11:32 PM
"Dreams teach", I like that I'm glad to see that Daniel is smart enough that a rapid increase in enemy knowledge isn't always a good thing. In order to remain separate from your enemy you must vanquish the things that allow them to rise to such great power, rather than use them yourself. The following is a quote about the production of Absolute Power that I found extremely interesting.


"That was a deleted scene from 'Absolute Power.' Jack makes a horrifying discovery: It turns out Daniel has been keeping Teal'c a prisoner, experimenting on him, transfusing himself with his naquadah-rich blood which, ultimately, allows him to use the hand device. It was a dark revelation that was cut at either the script stage or in editing." (Joseph Mallozzi, in a post at Our Stargate)

Can you imagine that? I'm glad they decide to cut that out of the episode, it was already extremely dark it didn't have to get any worse.

garhkal
July 4th, 2008, 08:37 AM
I would have loved to see that on a deleted scenes part for the seasion..

captain jake
July 4th, 2008, 10:06 AM
I would have loved to see that on a deleted scenes part for the seasion..

I have mixed feelings about that.

HelloVelo
July 22nd, 2008, 03:32 PM
You could tell Daniel had turned evil, because he wasn't wearing glasses. People with glasses are awesome and don't do bad things.

Rating: 5/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/absolute-power.html

RidgeTop
August 20th, 2008, 10:14 PM
I cant stand the annoying cryptic talk.

Hornet
September 27th, 2008, 05:32 PM
This episode is really weird

It seems to imply that the boy taught daniel what would happen if humans acquire advance devastating weapons, so logically this would have meant an end to their quest of acquiring new tech in future missions, at least for Daniel since he experience them in his dream.... But obviously that's not going to happen

It seems like its intended to solve the story about this kid and with the usual "you can't have our tech" message, as we've seen in many episode where they fail to get the tech they wanted

Sprinkles
September 27th, 2008, 06:04 PM
This episode is really weird

It seems to imply that the boy taught daniel what would happen if humans acquire advance devastating weapons, so logically this would have meant an end to their quest of acquiring new tech in future missions, at least for Daniel since he experience them in his dream.... But obviously that's not going to happen

It seems like its intended to solve the story about this kid and with the usual "you can't have our tech" message, as we've seen in many episode where they fail to get the tech they wanted

I see what your saying but I think it was morre specific than that, in that it was lession about what would hapen if you had advanced technology and also had the memories of the goauld (like Shifu did). I mean not all aliens who have advanced tech end up using it for evil , the Nox for example :)

Anda
September 30th, 2008, 09:52 AM
I like the end when Daniel tells them then the can't accept the goa'uld memories.

Verdande
November 7th, 2008, 08:11 AM
The following is a quote about the production of Absolute Power that I found extremely interesting.


"That was a deleted scene from 'Absolute Power.' Jack makes a horrifying discovery: It turns out Daniel has been keeping Teal'c a prisoner, experimenting on him, transfusing himself with his naquadah-rich blood which, ultimately, allows him to use the hand device. It was a dark revelation that was cut at either the script stage or in editing." (Joseph Mallozzi, in a post at Our Stargate)

Can you imagine that? I'm glad they decide to cut that out of the episode, it was already extremely dark it didn't have to get any worse.

I agree that it would have been extremely shocking to see that Daniel had experimented on Teal'c.

My interpretation while watching the episode was that Daniel had Teal'c killed. And I was wondering whether it was because Daniel had Apophis' memories (from the Harsesis) and saw Teal'c as a traitor, or whether it was that Daniel still felt angry at Teal'c for his part in what happened to Sha're, that he had Teal'c killed. Or if it was that Daniel realized that Teal'c would be the first one to notice what happened to Daniel, and would try to stop him? We saw that it took Carter a year to blow the whistle on Daniel, and O'Neill didn't believe Daniel was really dangerous until he witnessed his attack on Russia. I think Teal'c would have caught this long before either Carter and O'Neill started to act on their suspicions.

taltos2112
January 8th, 2009, 02:13 PM
I loved the episode, but the one thing that kept nagging at me was if the knowledge vision-daniel had received was supposed to have come from Apophis and Ahmonet (sp?), why is it that Apophis does not have the same weapons? Granted the defense network Daniel developed was for defense but why haven't we seen anything similar? Especially on Goa'uld heavy worlds like Chulack which could be used as another method of enslaving the inhabitants of a planet?

amconway
January 15th, 2009, 09:33 PM
I loved the episode, but the one thing that kept nagging at me was if the knowledge vision-daniel had received was supposed to have come from Apophis and Ahmonet (sp?), why is it that Apophis does not have the same weapons? Granted the defense network Daniel developed was for defense but why haven't we seen anything similar? Especially on Goa'uld heavy worlds like Chulack which could be used as another method of enslaving the inhabitants of a planet?

Well, Shifu was showing Daniel a vision of how the Goa'uld genetic memory would corrupt both him and even his most altruistic plans. The knowledge itself was locked in Shifu's mind, so we can assume that he didn't actually know about the weapons. The dream was just a device to show Daniel what a bad idea using those memories would be--and what it would do to him.


My interpretation while watching the episode was that Daniel had Teal'c killed. And I was wondering whether it was because Daniel had Apophis' memories (from the Harsesis) and saw Teal'c as a traitor, or whether it was that Daniel still felt angry at Teal'c for his part in what happened to Sha're, that he had Teal'c killed. Or if it was that Daniel realized that Teal'c would be the first one to notice what happened to Daniel, and would try to stop him? We saw that it took Carter a year to blow the whistle on Daniel, and O'Neill didn't believe Daniel was really dangerous until he witnessed his attack on Russia. I think Teal'c would have caught this long before either Carter and O'Neill started to act on their suspicions.

I think he saw Teal'c as a threat. That' doesn't mean that he didn't also harbor some anger toward Teal'c. The dream seemed to dramatically magnify character flaws that already existed then twist them to their most evil extreme--as the genetic memory would have done.

Kickoutwoolsey
January 15th, 2009, 09:42 PM
this was a good ep :daniel:

SG-18
January 15th, 2009, 09:45 PM
In the words of Teal'c. indeed

gateship15
January 25th, 2009, 08:18 PM
this is a fantastic episode i love the fact that i didn't realize it was a dream until it went back to the sgc but i also liked that of all the people u would believe to go evil u would never expect it to be Danial and this episode shows even he can becaome a very scary person if he had power

amconway
January 25th, 2009, 08:33 PM
this is a fantastic episode i love the fact that i didn't realize it was a dream until it went back to the sgc but i also liked that of all the people u would believe to go evil u would never expect it to be Danial and this episode shows even he can becaome a very scary person if he had power

Not power, Goa'uld genetic memory. It was the memories of generations of Goa'uld that corrupted him in the dream. Not that those weren't Daniel's own flaws being magnified and twisted by the corruption... ;)

gateship15
January 27th, 2009, 12:13 AM
true because if the wrong person got the info it would have been much worse i guess

Ziel
January 27th, 2009, 01:34 AM
Not power, Goa'uld genetic memory. It was the memories of generations of Goa'uld that corrupted him in the dream. Not that those weren't Daniel's own flaws being magnified and twisted by the corruption... ;)

I agree there but don't forget knowledge is power

amconway
January 27th, 2009, 09:53 AM
I agree there but don't forget knowledge is power

And power corrupts... ;) Yeah, I know, but this is Daniel we're talking about, here, and his decent into evil was preceeded in each case by a Goa'uld memory, implying a direct correlation between the two.

Ziel
January 28th, 2009, 08:58 AM
It was the knowledge of the Goa'uld that twisted him.
It's kind of ironic that Daniel goes corrupt as for a lot of the time he's SG-1's conscience.

amconway
January 28th, 2009, 09:20 PM
It's kind of ironic that Daniel goes corrupt as for a lot of the time he's SG-1's conscience.

Luckily it was just a dream. ;) That's why they chose that he didn't actually become a Prior, too.

gateship15
January 29th, 2009, 12:06 AM
i agree knowledge is power and that was what i was saying it was strange it was Danial but it shows everyone can be corrupted even Danial. i am glad it was just a dream but if he was anyone else he may not have chosen to take the lesion so it again shows that Danial was a very responsible person even with all that he has gone thro

amconway
January 29th, 2009, 08:22 AM
if he was anyone else he may not have chosen to take the lesion so it again shows that Danial was a very responsible person even with all that he has gone thro
Good point.

gateship15
January 31st, 2009, 05:54 PM
:) anyway this is a good episode and i really like Danial in it (even tho most of the time he was evil)

amconway
January 31st, 2009, 06:19 PM
anyway this is a good episode and i really like Danial in it (even tho most of the time he was evil)
Agreed! It's a fantastic episode.

gateship15
February 7th, 2009, 05:52 PM
:)

Butlersgate
March 1st, 2009, 07:58 AM
it's a shame we don't get to see them weapons in action against a gou'ld mothership, but i'll settle for moscow haha

Dinoman
March 1st, 2009, 03:39 PM
I remember when I watched this episode for the first time I found it rather boring, but then for the 2nd time I found it to be quite intersting. Daniel is horrible in what he had done to Carter and Teal'c, team members that he had worked with for the last 4 years and experienced all those life-and-death moments. Luckily he still held a little bit respect for Jack otherwise I think he would throw him in prison or have him killed at the spot when he asked him not to shoot Moscow.

amconway
March 1st, 2009, 04:00 PM
I remember when I watched this episode for the first time I found it rather boring, but then for the 2nd time I found it to be quite intersting. Daniel is horrible in what he had done to Carter and Teal'c, team members that he had worked with for the last 4 years and experienced all those life-and-death moments. Luckily he still held a little bit respect for Jack otherwise I think he would throw him in prison or have him killed at the spot when he asked him not to shoot Moscow.
I'm not sure that was respect. I think that may have been a desire to have Jack acknowledge the 'correctness' of his actions, and to show him that he is the one with the power and control. Of course, even corrupted, Daniel still thought he was doing the right thing for Earth.

Dinoman
March 1st, 2009, 09:18 PM
I'm not sure that was respect. I think that may have been a desire to have Jack acknowledge the 'correctness' of his actions, and to show him that he is the one with the power and control. Of course, even corrupted, Daniel still thought he was doing the right thing for Earth.

Considering Daniel's determination and eventually his action in destroying Moscow despite the objection of the General and the President, I think he needs Jack to be a witness of his power rather than to have his acknowledgement.

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
March 3rd, 2009, 10:28 AM
I watched this the other day and realised something;

Elaborate underground bunker, world domination plans, mindless henchmen, enough confidence to let the person who's likely going to stop you know all about the plan - Daniel becomes a Bond villain!

amconway
March 3rd, 2009, 10:47 AM
I watched this the other day and realised something;

Elaborate underground bunker, world domination plans, mindless henchmen, enough confidence to let the person who's likely going to stop you know all about the plan - Daniel becomes a Bond villain!
Lol! OMG, you're right!

Khentkawes
March 3rd, 2009, 07:59 PM
I watched this the other day and realised something;

Elaborate underground bunker, world domination plans, mindless henchmen, enough confidence to let the person who's likely going to stop you know all about the plan - Daniel becomes a Bond villain!

LOL! Green for you! :D

You're right. And that should have been the first clue that this was all insanely exaggerated dream.

This was actually one of the first episodes I saw, so I didn't know enough to realize how out of character Daniel's behavior was (although I did recognize how completely over-the-top it was). So I'm not sure if it's my lingering first impression or not, but this episode always feels just a little too exaggerated to me. I always think that Shifu went a bit overboard with his little "lesson." Or maybe Daniel had been watching too many James Bond films and that's where Shifu got the inspiration for the dream. ;)

amconway
March 3rd, 2009, 08:09 PM
Hmmm, Daniel, a Bond fan? It seems unlikely. I think the's more of a 'The Prisoner' kind of guy when it comes to the spy genre. Just a feeling--nothing to back it up. I think it's over the top because Shifu is trying to show Daniel all the things that he would do if corrupted that he wouldn't do himself. The Goa'uld love of ostentation and power, the arrogance, the lack of empathy. And it had to be big enough to read as very different than Daniel in an extra pissy mood. ;)

balo
March 26th, 2009, 08:54 AM
Watching it for the first time today , a really weird episode.

I didnt realize it was a dream until Daniel woke up in his "mansion"...

Michael Shanks did a great job , loved the evil parts of Daniel.
But it's good to know it was only a dream

Rating : 6 / 10

amconway
March 26th, 2009, 08:58 AM
Watching it for the first time today , a really weird episode.

I didnt realize it was a dream until Daniel woke up in his "mansion"...

Michael Shanks did a great job , loved the evil parts of Daniel.
But it's good to know it was only a dream

Rating : 6 / 10

So what made you give it a relatively low rating? Just curious, because I think most people would rate it quite a lot higher...

The Stig
May 2nd, 2009, 12:08 AM
It was good to see Daniel in a different light. i had no idea he had it in him.

Ulkesh47
May 2nd, 2009, 06:26 AM
It was good to see Daniel in a different light. i had no idea he had it in him.
Well, everyone "has it in him/her" when exposed to Goa'uld genetic memory. That's pretty much the message of the episode.

That, and the fact that Hammond is a wick. :cool:

schlemmbot
August 12th, 2009, 07:28 PM
I thought this was a great episode. It'd be nice to have known what happened to Teal'c but then again maybe its better left unsaid. I'd give it an 8.

schlemmbot
August 12th, 2009, 07:33 PM
why has GW not rated this episode?

jelgate
August 12th, 2009, 07:40 PM
GW has rated this episode. They gave it 2 stars

See here (http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s4/417.shtml)

schlemmbot
August 15th, 2009, 11:59 AM
didn't realize the astrics were a rating. I thought they were there to indicate no answer. 2?!!! what I wish they'd explain their reasonings for the ratings.

Mrs. Daniel Jackson
September 2nd, 2009, 06:45 PM
Evil Daniel is SEXY!:daniel24:
i liked this episode, it was OBVIOUSLY a dream when they skipped ahead a year!
quick question...what happened to Teal'c?? I know he died but did they ever say how?? (oh, and if the post abouve this one answers that question, or something to that extent, shoot me! lol! i havent read the thread yet! :P)

but seriously, 9/10, just for Daniel hotness! :daniel:

es!
November 22nd, 2009, 11:04 AM
Wow, that is one cool ep!

The lesson Daniel learned is very impressive. The boy is cute, and the attack on Moscow is for me as Russian strangely amusing :)

Lielac
March 14th, 2010, 12:31 AM
Holy ****. I just finished watching this and -- WOW. Daniel makes an AMAZING villain. He's got all the evil, all the hot, and none of the genre-blind grandstanding stupidity of the Goa'uld. I was almost sad to see that it was just a dream. Except, you know, Evil!Daniel creeps me the -bleep- out along with making me all tingly in all the wrong places.

mrscopterdoc
March 14th, 2010, 07:08 PM
I do not remember watching this my first time through SG1. I still don't like it. Seeing another side of Daniel is interesting, but I prefer nice, normal Daniel. :P

rushy
July 5th, 2010, 01:28 AM
Daniel Jackson:The Big Loser. Stargate, Season 1, Season 2.
Daniel Jacksion:The Archeologist. Season 3, Season 4.
Daniel Jackson:The Evil Goa'uld, the System Lord. Absolute Power, The Light.
Daniel Jackson:The Ascended Being. Season 6.
Daniel Jackson:The Hero. Season 7, Season 8, Season 9, Season 10.
Daniel Jackson:The Bearded Guy. Avalon, Subversion.

maneth
September 16th, 2010, 10:35 AM
I enjoyed this one, even though it felt a bit too close to 2010. It wasn't until near the end that it became obvious it was all a dream. Still, I'll take my Daniel wherever I can get him. ;)

Dave2
November 16th, 2011, 12:49 PM
I didn't have a clue to understanding most of the thread of the story until the end.....when it was all a dream. Naive me...that an episode would be like that?! Regular Danny Boy is far preferable to that maniac.......But one of the great things about regular Daniel is his amazing ability to interact successfully and positively at the level of all persons, with all types of creatures, whether a mist creature in Crystal Skull, a dumb Unas or an Ascended Ancient Being, or a created Lotan. It is a very special character trait worth learning from. I assume that Michael Shanks in his regular life is like his character.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 16th, 2011, 01:06 PM
I didn't have a clue to understanding most of the thread of the story until the end.....when it was all a dream. Naive me...that an episode would be like that?!

It's the second episode in which almost everything that happens to Daniel is a dream.

Seaboe

bookwormjules
November 16th, 2011, 03:25 PM
This episode has some good moments, but I found Daniel to be way to out of character. While I believe he'd use the power with the intentions of good, that would likely go down the wrong path, I do not buy he would be come a power-crazed-egotistic bent on world domination for the greater good. Daniel is the moral good of the group, he'd be the least likely to go down that path. So while I liked the episode, I wish they toned it down.

Matt G
November 20th, 2011, 01:47 PM
Back to watching SG1 on TUesday nights...

1. OK...the Harcesis has turned up...

2. The "wick" thing 'does' sound dodgy.

3. Daniel clearly acting wierd after Shifi knocked him out and then...

4. OK, at "one year later" it was obvious there was more to this than met the eye.

5. Rewatching the dream section in particular was pretty much like watching a car crash...it was 'very' freaky first time round.

6. Get out of the way of the energy ball...fine...

7. The wierd thing is, Daniel saying he needed to find a new path, any idea what the specifically turned out to be?

Commander Zelix
November 20th, 2011, 05:43 PM
One of my fav episode.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 20th, 2011, 05:52 PM
7. The wierd thing is, Daniel saying he needed to find a new path, any idea what the specifically turned out to be?

I assumed that was when he really started to consider and investigation ascension.

Seaboe

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 23rd, 2011, 03:48 PM
I thought it was a waste of an episode. But still cool episode, it's just a shame it was all erased 10 minutes before the episode ended.

We'll never see the boy again.

I'm not going to the commentary thing anymore, it's a hassle.

Tomorrow, Carter goes crazy.

Jae'a
November 24th, 2011, 12:55 PM
I'm not going to the commentary thing anymore, it's a hassle.
Aw, you're no fun anymore! :P [/monty python]

My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/22708.html)

Krisz
November 24th, 2011, 09:03 PM
Daniel turns into 'Bond villain' in his secret high tech base and blows up Moscow with his fiendish invention. I'm surprised he didn't grow a moustache to twirl.

So begineth the lessons for Daniel's path to enlightenment!

SG3Marine
November 25th, 2011, 12:01 PM
Daniel Jackson:The Big Loser. Stargate, Season 1, Season 2.
Daniel Jacksion:The Archeologist. Season 3, Season 4.
Daniel Jackson:The Evil Goa'uld, the System Lord. Absolute Power, The Light.
Daniel Jackson:The Ascended Being. Season 6.
Daniel Jackson:The Hero. Season 7, Season 8, Season 9, Season 10.
Daniel Jackson:The Bearded Guy. Avalon, Subversion.

Nice comparison. I never thought of it like that.

hedwig
November 25th, 2011, 12:18 PM
Tomorrow, Carter goes crazy.

:confused: ???

If you're referring to "The Light", it's Daniel and Jack that go crazy, not Carter. Though she does get a bit mouthy when she and Jack and Teal'c are walking on the beach. That doesn't translate to crazy.

jelgate
November 27th, 2011, 03:56 PM
This episode tries to promote that power corrupts and while thier is truth to this statement but I don't buy the concept that just because Daniel gets the knowledge of the Goa'uld that he will become an evil tyrant. It that was true people like Asgard who have even more power then the Goa'uld will be sadastic murderers. Especially with Daniel's heart I don't buy he would turn into a monster. But on the other hand it was a dream so I will get it go.

That said I still find it interesting on a pure enjoyment level to see Daniel go evil and mad with power. It showed a very gradual process. Its a pity we never see Shifu again.

fems
November 28th, 2011, 12:40 AM
This episode tries to promote that power corrupts and while thier is truth to this statement but I don't buy the concept that just because Daniel gets the knowledge of the Goa'uld that he will become an evil tyrant. It that was true people like Asgard who have even more power then the Goa'uld will be sadastic murderers. Especially with Daniel's heart I don't buy he would turn into a monster. But on the other hand it was a dream so I will get it go.

That said I still find it interesting on a pure enjoyment level to see Daniel go evil and mad with power. It showed a very gradual process. Its a pity we never see Shifu again.

It's not that he turns evil because of the knowledge of the Goa'uld; it's that he thinks he knows better than everyone else because of all the knowledge he has and starts to make decisions (which I'm sure started out being for the greater good) based on that conviction, simply because the rest of the people, even his friends, don't know what he does and therefore can't make the important decisions. I think it is very in character for him because there are a lot of times he thinks he knows best and takes it a bit too far until his team/Hammond remind him of what he's actually doing/saying (similar to Sam when she puts science ahead of people's lives in her curiosity/thirst for knowledge). In this dream however he doesn't heed his 'friends''s warnings.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 28th, 2011, 12:05 PM
I like this episode because seeing daniel evil is just a joy to see.

I have to agree that MS plays crazy/power-crazed roles extremely well. He never ceases to amaze me in such situations. I loved his evilness in Need, but he's even better, even more evil here. I couldn't believe that he actually blew up Moscow. And his 'It's like cutting your enemy's heart out.' line. I know, just an imagined Daniel, but still! And what's scary is, if he really had been capable of developing such a weapons system, I'm sure the government would have given him the means and power to do so, without question.

The ep was well done in the sense that it wasn't immediately obvious that it was a dream sequence -- not until they tell us 'one year later'. I kept wondering what actually happened to Teal'c during that time, as they all kept referring to an incident with him.

Just the technology, and Daniel developing it and commandeering it, was extremely cool. I loved the way the weapons looked, and how powerfully and flawlessly they performed. Everything, especially the launch, was just so perfect (too perfect to be true, obviously).

I was a bit surprised that the Russians immediately responded by threatening to blow up the new satellite weapons. That seemed a bit extreme to me.

Ultimately I don't really agree with the way the episode ended. I don't think they should have just let all the info go (although I guess they didn't have a choice?). I wish Daniel had been able to remember some of the tech -- even if it had just been that heavy naquadah water fuel source stuff. A wasted opportunity to gain new tech just kills me every time!

jelgate
November 28th, 2011, 01:27 PM
It's not that he turns evil because of the knowledge of the Goa'uld; it's that he thinks he knows better than everyone else because of all the knowledge he has and starts to make decisions (which I'm sure started out being for the greater good) based on that conviction, simply because the rest of the people, even his friends, don't know what he does and therefore can't make the important decisions. I think it is very in character for him because there are a lot of times he thinks he knows best and takes it a bit too far until his team/Hammond remind him of what he's actually doing/saying (similar to Sam when she puts science ahead of people's lives in her curiosity/thirst for knowledge). In this dream however he doesn't heed his 'friends''s warnings.
I could buy that originally but as he goes more crazy just doesn't work. Daniel would never kill those innocent Russians

Lieutenant Sparrow
November 30th, 2011, 01:47 AM
Really fallen behind on typing up my opinions. Easy to forget what happened when you wait so long after watching the ep.

This was a good ep. But it was a bit easy to tell that it wasn't real. Daniel would never act like that.

SaraBahama
November 30th, 2011, 07:34 PM
This episode has some good moments, but I found Daniel to be way to out of character. While I believe he'd use the power with the intentions of good, that would likely go down the wrong path, I do not buy he would be come a power-crazed-egotistic bent on world domination for the greater good. Daniel is the moral good of the group, he'd be the least likely to go down that path. So while I liked the episode, I wish they toned it down.


This episode tries to promote that power corrupts and while thier is truth to this statement but I don't buy the concept that just because Daniel gets the knowledge of the Goa'uld that he will become an evil tyrant. It that was true people like Asgard who have even more power then the Goa'uld will be sadastic murderers. Especially with Daniel's heart I don't buy he would turn into a monster. But on the other hand it was a dream so I will get it go.

That said I still find it interesting on a pure enjoyment level to see Daniel go evil and mad with power. It showed a very gradual process. Its a pity we never see Shifu again.

This is a very finely crafted ep -the title itself 'Absolute Power' sets the tone by invoking the thought of the phrase it's drawn from: "Power corrupts...absolute power corrupts absolutely."

That said, this is not my favorite ep...I HATE seeing Daniel corrupted so badly -it is such a loss of innocence for him, but I believe Daniel was chosen because he is the PERFECT vehicle to explore this concept through. The elements that seem out of character for Daniel only emphasize the corrupting power of the Goa'uld evil. This is what Shifu tried to warn them about from the beginning of the ep:

SHIFU: That the true nature of a man is determined in the battle between his conscious mind and his subconscious and that the evil in my subconscious is too strong to resist.

DANIEL: The only way to win is to deny it battle.

It's not that Daniel is shown to be weak, and that's why he's overcome by the evil. I think that it clear that if Daniel can be corrupted by this...gentle, fair, kind Daniel...then anyone can. Shifu is clear: the evil is too strong -Oma has taught him this.

fatty.mcninja
December 14th, 2011, 04:02 PM
This is actually my favorite SG-1 episode. Not a popular opinion, I guess.

I think the Harcesis is a cool character and I think that the evil Jackson isn't so much out of character when you think about the fact that the whole point of the episode is to point out that the evil in the Goa'uld is so imprinted in their DNA that it becomes an impulse that can't be ignored. If Daniel can't handle it... what chance does a boy have?

Dimes
December 29th, 2011, 03:46 PM
This episode was so cool!! ^^

Starry Starry Night
August 8th, 2012, 01:13 PM
Yeah, it wasn't just the power that corrupted Daniel, I think. The genetic memory of Goa'uld is pure evil and if we want to get a hold of the memory the evil comes with it. And that's why we should be careful about wanting it.. When watching the episode, at first it's not clear that it's a dream. But right from the moment Danielgets the goa'uld genetic memory, wee see a change in him. It's very small at first, but those are the first steps on the road that lead up to him blowing up Moscow..

And like many have said here, for the effect that this story ha, it really needed to be Daniel who did all this..

jelgate
August 8th, 2012, 06:20 PM
Yeah, it wasn't just the power that corrupted Daniel, I think. The genetic memory of Goa'uld is pure evil and if we want to get a hold of the memory the evil comes with it. And that's why we should be careful about wanting it.. When watching the episode, at first it's not clear that it's a dream. But right from the moment Danielgets the goa'uld genetic memory, wee see a change in him. It's very small at first, but those are the first steps on the road that lead up to him blowing up Moscow..

And like many have said here, for the effect that this story ha, it really needed to be Daniel who did all this..

Knowledge isn't evil. Its the people who use it that makes it evil. That is why this episode made little sense to me. Daniel is not the person to be corrupted by power. He had more knowledge and power as an ascended and he didn't abuse it when ascended

Brother Freyr
August 9th, 2012, 04:04 AM
Knowledge isn't evil. Its the people who use it that makes it evil. That is why this episode made little sense to me. Daniel is not the person to be corrupted by power. He had more knowledge and power as an ascended and he didn't abuse it when ascended
Daniel was given more than knowledge. He was given goa'uld memories, too. Change the memories, change the person.

jelgate
August 9th, 2012, 08:00 AM
I would disagree. Skarra had those memories and didn't change negatively after the symbiote was removed. Unless he committed those memories I don't see it changing him.

fems
August 9th, 2012, 11:49 AM
I would disagree. Skarra had those memories and didn't change negatively after the symbiote was removed. Unless he committed those memories I don't see it changing him.

Skaara only had the genetic memory of Klorel, but Shifu was harsesis, so he would have passed on all the knowledge of the Goa'uld to Daniel rather than just genetic memory of a Goa'uld and the Queen that bore him (possibly also the one who fathered the prim'ta, but the whole Goa'uld reproductive system is kinda vague considering their spawning and supposed genetic memory).

Brother Freyr
August 9th, 2012, 12:42 PM
I would disagree. Skarra had those memories and didn't change negatively after the symbiote was removed. Unless he committed those memories I don't see it changing him.

"Change the memories, change the person" is a sound principle, but a television series may inconsistently apply it according to the varying requirements of the stories being told. :rolleyes:

jelgate
August 9th, 2012, 02:20 PM
"Change the memories, change the person" is a sound principle, but a television series may inconsistently apply it according to the varying requirements of the stories being told. :rolleyes:
That can really be said about many shows. I just don't like the changing a character to suit the plot which is why I voiced my compliant in this episode. It didn't make sense to change Daniel that much just because he has Goa'uld memories. Its not like he committed the actions

jckfan55
August 10th, 2012, 10:31 AM
I always saw it as a warning to Daniel at how dangerous and seductive power can be for even the most balanced person.

Insolent Slave
February 13th, 2013, 07:29 AM
I liked this episode only because it truly starts Daniel’s continued distain and dislike towards his fellow SG-1’ers. I kind of feel it starts with “Shades of Grey,” although Jack apologizes and says the house was bugged I get the feeling Daniel doesn’t get over it. Continues to build in “The Other Side,” sure Jack apologizes but the damage was done, and just goes from there. By the time he ascends I truly get the feeling he was over the “ignorance” of his team mates / SGC and by that time it’s hard to call Jack a “friend.” He states something along the lines, “I need to change how I do things” or something like that in this episode. At the end of Menace (S -5) that is true malice towards Jack, just not momentary emotion. From this episode on I find Daniel’s attitude tiring in some episodes.

sparrowhawk85
May 9th, 2013, 08:29 AM
I thought about this, after just re-watching this episode; I don't know for sure yet, but it seems that he did not give him the memories, but a glimpse of what would happen if he did give him the memories. Would that not significantly shorten the show if Daniel actually had the knowledge and memories to beat the antagonist?
I think the boy was just expanding on the idea that only most of the time "the music plays the musician". At least he got his point across. (that receiving actual memories would result in the accompaniment of emotions as well ((like Daniel warned at the beginning))..and that the assents gave him the "ability to forget so he could lead a normal life."; Like humans are suppose to evolve as, and according to Teal'c "Perhaps that is why Gould are evil". Because they retain this knowledge conscientiously. If you were Hilter's child, then you would inherit his emotions as well. That explains the Tocra; Not everyone is evil. )
It would be like giving knowledge to cavemen 1,000,000 years ago maybe. The Gou'ld should still be in that stupid pond on PX-blah blah blha evolving. .. They might have been genetically altered by an overly ambitious species in the past... HAHA

Major Clanger
June 1st, 2013, 10:58 AM
this was just Shifu showing Daniel what might happen, and therefore there doesn't have to be any internal consistency in the way that he behaves in this ep compared to other eps.

But I don't actually like this ep at all it just seems so - contrived.

Falcon Horus
June 19th, 2013, 12:53 PM
Shifu is a cute kid. And Daniel becomes a powerhungry maniac... aka a Goa'uld without the actual snake in the head.

With great power comes great responsibility -- something Daniel ignored entirely. Good thing he learned his lesson in the end.

jelgate
June 19th, 2013, 01:19 PM
It wasn't Daniel. It was a dream. I sometimes have trouble Daniel going that power mad, but I admitt its realastic some human would go that corrupt

Falcon Horus
June 20th, 2013, 01:09 AM
But the real Daniel still dreamed about it, so it still was his subconscious mind.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
June 20th, 2013, 06:11 AM
Ah, but was he dreaming, or was it a virtual reality controlled by Shifu? IOW, was that really Daniel, or was it an artificial version?

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
June 20th, 2013, 07:42 AM
He was having rapid eye movement which indicates dreaming.

Major Clanger
June 20th, 2013, 07:43 AM
but the dream was sent by Shifu - that much is clear from what he said about dreams being a teaching tool.

Falcon Horus
June 20th, 2013, 07:48 AM
And thus we conclude... it was a dream. :p

Seaboe Muffinchucker
June 21st, 2013, 07:18 AM
To our point of view, it was a dream.

That still doesn't mean that the Daniel in the dream wasn't an artificial construct and not the Daniel we know. Perhaps Harlan was involved. :D

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
June 21st, 2013, 07:25 AM
I'm sticking to the most simple of explanations, which is usually the most plausible one... it's a dream.

:p

Seaboe Muffinchucker
June 21st, 2013, 03:06 PM
:D

Seaboe

Baron Of Hell
June 27th, 2013, 11:12 PM
It is funny how it is all or nothing. The kid can't just give him a small amount of info like the location of enemy home worlds or a cure to cancer. You know just enough info so we don't kill ourselves yet enough info to still be useful.

garhkal
July 3rd, 2013, 01:20 PM
I'm not sure Shifu had that amount of control?

LionHamster
April 4th, 2015, 06:39 AM
Except the tok'ra seem to disprove that idea

garhkal
April 4th, 2015, 11:13 PM
But the tokra were not Harcesis.

Brother Freyr
April 5th, 2015, 01:26 AM
Except the tok'ra seem to disprove that idea
I don't see how. (I wrote a longer reply but deleted it. I'm not certain what you mean.)

enibas5
July 22nd, 2015, 05:45 PM
Good ep. Really liked that kid playing Shifu. Especially his voice struck me as very special. I do not agree with the casting issue at all. We are talking about a kind of "miracle child". So it is quite short-sighted to expect him to look african-american, just because his biological parents looked that way. As we see, that child can appear as any form of physical existence - well, and even non-physical.

It made perfect sense, that he had a more Asian look. Also his cloths took the story back to Kheb and the monk in "Maternal Instinct". Great spiritual wisdom is always associated with Asian Buddha-like cultures. So the casting chosed a kid that would fit in there. Do not see any inconsistency here.

Anja
September 14th, 2015, 03:13 AM
Good ep. Really liked that kid playing Shifu. Especially his voice struck me as very special. I do not agree with the casting issue at all. We are talking about a kind of "miracle child". So it is quite short-sighted to expect him to look african-american, just because his biological parents looked that way. As we see, that child can appear as any form of physical existence - well, and even non-physical.
It made perfect sense, that he had a more Asian look. Also his cloths took the story back to Kheb and the monk in "Maternal Instinct". Great spiritual wisdom is always associated with Asian Buddha-like cultures. So the casting chosed a kid that would fit in there. Do not see any inconsistency here.

Same here - and I liked the Mr Hyde side of Jackson - very convincing. :danielanime08:

garhkal
September 14th, 2015, 01:11 PM
Really wish we saw some aftermath from this.. even if it was Daniel going into a depression knowing what could have happened and he could have been the cause of it.

Brother Freyr
September 16th, 2015, 11:44 PM
Really wish we saw some aftermath from this.. even if it was Daniel going into a depression knowing what could have happened and he could have been the cause of it.Do you mean, if Daniel had persuaded Shifu to look into his buried goa'uld knowledge for information that would aid humans vs goa'uld? I don't think there was much chance of Daniel persuading Shifu to do that. As for the rest, Daniel possessed goa'uld knowledge only while in the "dream." No real harm possible.

garhkal
September 17th, 2015, 09:46 PM
Do you mean, if Daniel had persuaded Shifu to look into his buried goa'uld knowledge for information that would aid humans vs goa'uld? I don't think there was much chance of Daniel persuading Shifu to do that. As for the rest, Daniel possessed goa'uld knowledge only while in the "dream." No real harm possible.

While it might have just been a dream, i still feel it would have had some sort of impact on him emotionally for a few weeks at the least.

Late2theGate
September 1st, 2016, 10:19 AM
Fantastic episode, more great 'crazy' acting from Michael Shanks.

Some of Daniel's actions seemed a bit extreme or over-the-top, but I think that's the result of a 1-episode time constraint and showing the extreme effects of Goa'uld genetics. This could have made a great two-parter to show his slower descent into evil.

Between this and Need, it's hard watching Daniel treat his teammates like that...

"You never were that bright." Ouch!

Even if Daniel does carry some resentment towards them (I'm sure he does, as do all of them) the real Daniel would never go this far. I love seeing ascended Daniel coming to his friends' aid in Season 6 because that's the person/being he really is.

I really liked the scenes between Shifu and Daniel. I'd like to think they crossed paths at some point in Daniel's ascension time.

garhkal
September 1st, 2016, 12:44 PM
I would like to hve seen that mentioned by one f the ascended folk during their discussions with daniel..

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 2nd, 2016, 06:44 AM
The majority of the ascended folk are way too self-centered to mention something like that to Daniel.

Seaboe

Anja
September 4th, 2016, 01:22 AM
Did they mention anything at all to Daniel?

jazzy72
September 6th, 2016, 05:38 AM
I think most (not all of course) of the ascended are way too concerned with themselves.... just sayin'.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 6th, 2016, 06:51 AM
Did they mention anything at all to Daniel?From his original visit? We don't know for sure, because his memory of that time is not accurate.

Seaboe

Laxian of Earth
February 1st, 2018, 08:15 AM
Hey,

I truly like this one, however I found it quite sad that the AG3 wasn't ever brought up again (especially since each satellite is quite small, probably small enough to fit through a stargate and a ring-transporter, thus they could have been easily deployed without rockets - park a cloaked cargo-ship in orbit and send the sattelites up one by one!) especially since every Systemlord's main world probably had something like that (I would have loved to see how it faires against the Ori-Ships, which I think it would take out unless they show up in overwhelming numbers (meaning that the main planets of Systemlords are kind of safe-havens, as long as they manage to shield the gate, so that no prior can pass it!))

I'd really like to know how this would faire against the Wraith (even the superhive!) :) and how it would deal with smaller ships (gliders, alkesh, darts)?

That's something I always hated: They build ships, but don't put up orbital defenses? Yes, purely defensive warfare sucks, but not having any static defenses is also bad, it's not like ships can't bolster the AG-System and fly attacks to help out of the enemy where to punch a hole in the AG-Grid and the AG3 is probably cheaper than building tons of ships (remember: Those satellites don't have hyperdrives which saves cost and they don't have quarters etc. either!...hell, they might not even have shields either (which I would fix if that's the case) and it frees up the ships to go places (they can be back in time to fight if the AG-System holds the enemy back...unless sent to Pegasus of course!))

I also thought Daniel was out of character! I think Shifu induced the dream and controled it, Daniel's subcosciousness wouldn't have made him act that way (no, knowledge IMHO is not tainted and foreign memories don't make you into a violent psychopath if you had a stable and non-violent personality before!)

greetings LAX
ps: Support this system with Tobin-Like Mines and ships, not to mention a larger space-station or two (and shields over major cities and maybe even ground to space guns!) and you have a system that's very very very hard to breach!

Seaboe Muffinchucker
February 2nd, 2018, 06:39 AM
I think Shifu induced the dream and controled it,
I think you're right. I don't, however, think Daniel was incapable of being that ruthless.

Seaboe

Laxian of Earth
February 4th, 2018, 04:30 PM
Ruthless? Yeah, but not at first (he had to kind of "learn" how to be like that, through hardship and loss! We only truly see Daniel advocating to kille somebody ONCE: When Anubis's genetic experiment (the advanced human that Anubis was genetically manipulating in order for him to ascend and fight or even kill the Ancients!) was discovered Daniel didn't want to study that guy, he wanted to see him killed and it was him and Mitchel who fired the shots that killed him and Daniel wasn't sad afterwards!), not at that point in the series IMHO!

greetings LAX

Seaboe Muffinchucker
February 5th, 2018, 07:27 AM
In the context of the dream, his ruthlessness developed over time. It wasn't a sudden, all or nothing thing. The point was being made that even Daniel could be ruthless.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
June 4th, 2018, 01:10 PM
All together now: "With great power comes great responsibility!" & "Absolute power corrupts."

This is an episode that sends a powerful message still very valid to this very day -- politically speaking at least.

Michael Shanks is wickedly evil and plays the corrupt powerhunger maniac with verve. The rest is literally blown off screen.

It's a very interesting story. Shifu comes around to teach the puny humans a lesson and I think we can all agree that Daniel failed miserably -- at least as far as being responsible with the knowledge he gets in his dream goes. Good thing he seems to have learned from his mistake and takes a new path.

I give it an excellent but I really do hate powerhungry maniac Daniel and pretty much the entire time I want to wipe that obnoxious smirk of his face and put him in his place. Then again, we already saw this dark side of him when he became addicted to the sarcophagus.

How would you rate SG-1's "Absolute Power?"

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Platschu
June 4th, 2018, 01:42 PM
I also love this story, but I believe they could have explained much deeper how the Harsiesis is dangerous to the Goa'uld and why were they forbidden. Since almost every Systemlord had a Queen, then it is a bit hard to believe that only Apophis was the only one who has made his sacred duty to father one. Come on, they have lived for thousand years, so don't tell me that nobody tried to create this sort of advanced host.

Falcon Horus
June 4th, 2018, 01:56 PM
Teal'c explained this when they first learned Apophis had fathered a child with Amaunet. He explains that it does happen and did happen before but that harcesis children were forbidden and were killed at birth, or at the very least at a young age if they managed to evade death at birth. They were not permitted to live.

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3-episode quiz: Chain Reaction, 2010 & Absolute Power (https://goo.gl/forms/mxa2K80w4DH3QjvA2)

Jigsaw puzzle: Absolute Power (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=0LM4VTII)

Who Knows
June 4th, 2018, 05:42 PM
6:25. That's a start, now go spoil it for me http://i.imgur.com/UFLDWKM.gif
http://i.imgur.com/Mmo9zFu.gif

Chaka-Z0
June 5th, 2018, 06:43 AM
*Dead eyes look*: Target. Eliminated.

Falcon Horus
June 5th, 2018, 12:25 PM
6:25. That's a start, now go spoil it for me http://i.imgur.com/UFLDWKM.gif
http://i.imgur.com/Mmo9zFu.gif

Jelgate might -- me, on the other hand, probably much longer.

jelgate
June 5th, 2018, 01:22 PM
You are so pessimistic about your ability FH

Falcon Horus
June 5th, 2018, 01:50 PM
You are so pessimistic about your ability FH

It's my nature. :p

jelgate
June 9th, 2018, 06:42 AM
This has always been an episode I have disliked. I understand the point the writers were trying to mistake but ultimately I reject the premise. I can't believe that Daniel would have such a drastic personally change because of Goa'uld knowledge. I give it a poor with 3 minutes 37 seconds and a perfect quiz score

Falcon Horus
June 9th, 2018, 07:53 AM
This has always been an episode I have disliked. I understand the point the writers were trying to mistake but ultimately I reject the premise. I can't believe that Daniel would have such a drastic personally change because of Goa'uld knowledge.

The Goa'uld knowledge, or the memory of the Goa'uld, because it seemed to me Shifu gave him all his memories which included the tech-knowledge. So he basically gave him the powerhungry side too, the dark side as it were.

jelgate
June 10th, 2018, 03:31 AM
I don't buy that. Just giving memories of atrocities is not going to make a person commit the same crimes

Falcon Horus
June 10th, 2018, 08:14 AM
I don't buy that. Just giving memories of atrocities is not going to make a person commit the same crimes

It was a thought.

Falcon Horus
June 10th, 2018, 08:58 AM
Oh darn, I thought I had you beat, Jelgate, but I'm 21 seconds slower still: 03:58

BethHG
June 30th, 2018, 08:43 AM
4:40 9/15-- that was a hard quiz, so many minute details that I didn't notice. :eek:

I don't like an evil Daniel! MS played this fantastically-- he wasn't in your face evil, but sneaky. I loved the little boy that played Shifu as well!

Falcon Horus
July 2nd, 2018, 08:21 AM
9/15-- that was a hard quiz, so many minute details that I didn't notice. :eek:

Can't make em all easy, now can I? :p

Platschu
August 28th, 2018, 07:49 AM
1.The desert shot was reused and repainted from the 2x11-2x12 Tok’Ra episode.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/4x17/01.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/4x17/02.jpg