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Darren
September 8th, 2005, 12:29 PM
We're currently considering the best way to revamp the forum's folder structure to maximize the fun, and we want your opinion! If we had dedicated folders for the shows listed, in which do you think you would regularly participate? Check all that apply.

Thanks!

Qasim
September 8th, 2005, 12:35 PM
Star Trek only

ShadowMaat
September 8th, 2005, 12:43 PM
Lost and Doctor Who are the only two I really watch. I'd definitely participate in the Lost section and would probably swing through Who, too, but as I have a bit of a lag-time between when eps air and when I see them, I have to play that one kinda cagey.

MasySyma
September 8th, 2005, 12:50 PM
Trek for me too. (But then you'll hear whining about subdividing per series.) :D

I don't mean to be the whiner hear, but why the other shows?

I love Gateworld, but why does a website devoted to the Stargate Franchise need to specialize in other things? If I really want to discuss Trek, there are online forums for this. I just worry that Gateworld might lose its amazing quality in an effort to develop and treat all shows equally. The SciFi forums discuss numerous shows, but their forums are a disaster. How will the mods ever keep up?

Also, more shows being discussed invites more show-fan tensions. Some of the pro and anti-BSG arguments have gotten ugly and have not always stayed in the BSG sections. Wouldn't more shows being discussed in-depth on the forum only increase this problem? Won't we see more Andromeda vs Stargate or Trek vs Dr. Who than we already do?

There is also the problem of forum size and computer speed. We have 10,000 members now, but if 900 get online at the same time bad things happen. If the forum grows in shows, it will, of course, grow in members. Can the current software support that? I don't want to have to try twenty times a day to access the site because the Trek forum is talking about their show when I want to discuss Stargate.

Just my thoughts :)

Qasim
September 8th, 2005, 12:54 PM
Trek for me too. (But then you'll hear whining about subdividing per series.) :D

I don't mean to be the whiner hear, but why the other shows?

I love Gateworld, but why does a website devoted to the Stargate Franchise need to specialize in other things? If I really want to discuss Trek, there are online forums for this. I just worry that Gateworld might lose its amazing quality in an effort to develop and treat all shows equally. The SciFi forums discuss numerous shows, but their forums are a disaster. How will the mods ever keep up?Its a valid point most definately - Realistically the existing 'sci-fi' section is adequate for me I suppose

If we were to have more subforums - how long would it be before people wanted more and more?

The mods have enough on their plate and may not fully understand some of the new shows

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
September 8th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Farscape and Star Trek.

Qasim
September 8th, 2005, 12:59 PM
Also if we were to have a farscape forum I am sure that the psychotic Vala fans would turn it into some type of CB worship forum

CatGoddess
September 8th, 2005, 01:15 PM
I checked off way too many shows... ;)

But, which subfolders make sense? I'm not sure ... I think you'd have to include all or none, or risk offending fans of the shows that didn't make the cut.

Darren
September 8th, 2005, 01:58 PM
Attracting new blood is certainly a part of it, but it's more about using the forum to support the community(-ies) behind the other shows that GateWorld already covers (or might consider covering). Those sub-sites exist because I enjoy the series, and though I'd like to chat about them I know I'm a casual enough fan of many (most) of them that I would never bother seeking out a large, dedicated forum for a half-dozen or more series.

Like those sub-sites, these would never be on equal footing with Stargate. We remain a Stargate site first and foremost. (Those who can remember the days of SciFiGuide.net know that we learned our lesson about trying to be all things to all sci-fi fans.)

ShadowMaat
September 8th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Why? Because Darren knows his audience? Because even though this is ostensibly a Stargate site doesn't mean that Stargate is the ONLY thing that fans watch? Because giant uber-threads discussing ALL aspects of a show are unwieldly to its participants and having multiple threads spread willy-nilly is just as confusing?

Because Darren's a good guy trying to do right by the fans? :)

And if you object to their existence, then you can ignore them quite easily. If I'm understanding correctly, the various sections would all be gathered under the scifi heading, much as BSG is now. I don't think they'd be getting separate folders as, say, Horizon did. :rolleyes: :P

AGateFan
September 8th, 2005, 03:31 PM
I like Farscape and B5 but both shows are over so Im not sure theres a lot to talk about..unless we all broke out our DVDs at the same time. Star Trek would be good because I dont think its quite dead yet. Ive never seen Lost but am buying the DVDs on recommendation so maybe that would be a good one.

Egeria
September 8th, 2005, 03:39 PM
I voted for Doctor Who, if there was one I would regulalrly participate.

Whilst this site is a Stargate-first site I don't see the harm in sub-folders if there's demand. We all love sci-fi, it stands to reason that if we like SG we like other shows. Nothing wrong with a bit or re-organising. The board benefited from the BSG subfolder, why not extend this to other shows if there's demand.:)

Ps. Qasim if in having a Farscape subfolder, it was filled with rabid Vala fans, at least they won't be clogging up the Stargate sections.;)

CKO
September 8th, 2005, 04:55 PM
my main three would be.

Babylon 5 (cuz i've fallen in love with the series and loved watchin it)

Farscape (cuz i am a scaper and damned proud of it... that and theres so many fans of both shows that have joined up)

Firefly (Big Damn Movie comin and its nice to see other Browncoats who are addicted to the series as well)

MarshAngel
September 8th, 2005, 05:10 PM
I would participate in 4400 and Star Trek discussions. I love Stargate. It's the main reason I'm here. There are times however when a little side discussion on another show would definitely be welcome.

MasySyma
September 8th, 2005, 05:21 PM
I'm not saying that Gateworld should absolutely not touch other shows; I was wondering about why they would consider expanding. Thank you for the answer Darren. :D

I admit that if Gateworld gets a Dead Like Me forum; I'll visit it often and post frequently. I trust Gateworld to remain excellent, but I felt that the pros and cons of such a choice should also be discussed.

Willow'sCat
September 8th, 2005, 06:35 PM
Dr Who of course. I have wondered why GW seems to have lists (on the HomePage) at least for other SciFi shows but not Dr Who and with the recent adding of Serenity/Firefly I really wondered what the .... was going on. I am bias and cheeky.

ShadowMaat
September 8th, 2005, 07:07 PM
Other than being more of a headache for the Mods (more ground to cover) I don't see what the cons could be.

Diversifying could be seen as getting away from the point of the board (which is Stargate), but thus far the forum seems to have managed fine despite a thriving Off Topic section rife with people who spend more of their time posting there than in the "on topic" areas.

A lot of threads about the various shows already exist. Subfolders would just be a way of giving them their own little "room" so to speak. I have little doubt that many of the BSG threads would have cropped up in the general scifi section if Darren hadn't created a subfolder for it, and at least a few other areas have the potential to expand as well. And they probably will. Firefly being a prime example. Lots of browncoats around, especially with SCIFI airing the series.

The SCIFI boards are completely unmoderated and as such, they attract the worst of the worst of the WORST scum of the entire internet... as all (or most) unmoderated boards do. They are cesspits of human waste because no one tells them what they can and can't do. Gateworld, however, IS moderated, and while things may be getting a little more... open, this place will NEVER be as bad as an unmoderated board. There will always be a mod around (or easily available) should any trolls try to start something.

I'd rather have one-stop shopping than to have ten bookmarks for ten different boards with ten different groups of people. On Gateworld, there's a chance of bumping into some of the same people in different sections. That makes it a lot easier (for me, at least) to form friendships. And I can also meet folks I might otherwise have missed... and still be on Gateworld.

As for fandom wars... :rolleyes: There's no escaping those no matter WHAT. People who want to start fights will start them whether there's ONE thread about a show or twenty. :) And the mods will be around to smack 'em back down. :P

SlytherinGal
September 8th, 2005, 09:22 PM
Firefly would be my main one...but I also chose Farscape, Babylon 5, Lost and Star Trek (as long as any series goes).

Madeleine
September 8th, 2005, 09:29 PM
, but why the other shows?

I love Gateworld, but why does a website devoted to the Stargate Franchise need to specialize in other things? If I really want to discuss Trek, there are online forums for this. I just worry that Gateworld might lose its amazing quality in an effort to develop and treat all shows equally. The SciFi forums discuss numerous shows, but their forums are a disaster. How will the mods ever keep up?


I hear you, but my personal view is that I'd be happy with a bit more discussion of the other shows here. If I want to discuss Lost or Dr Who there's no way I'll seek out a Lost or Who forum, I haven't time to play anywhere but here. Having a little of these other shows on the side would be ideal for me.

Deputy-Assistant-Second-Prime
September 8th, 2005, 09:41 PM
I voted for Doctor Who and Farscape, since I am a huge fan of both series.

Personally, I enjoy talking with many folks on this forum. Everyone is very nice here and I would love to be able to discuss these other topics with them.

If the Mods can devote the time and resources...terrific.

Easter Lily
September 8th, 2005, 10:10 PM
I appreciate Darren giving other scifi shows consideration here on Gateworld. It's been wonderful having the BSG subforum.

I'm rather inclined towards the one-stop shop idea... I would prefer to have all my discussions here with people I know and care about than trying to keep up with several forums. It's too much trouble for trying to have a bit of fun. Gateworld is the only one that I log into everyday... several times a day... ;)

kiwigater
September 9th, 2005, 04:24 AM
well, I have to answer honestly, I probably wouldn't spend a huge quantity of time in any of these subforums you've listed, but I'm certainly not against them existing. Let them grow or fail on their own merit I guess, as long as the mods are OK with the extra work. :p
Being in NZ now I'm significantly out of whack with most of these series - I'm only getting Dr Who now, and the rest are but a hazy memory :( I consider BSG my fav show right now, and I love being able to come chat with a few people about it right here on GW - don't spend a LOT of time in that subforum, but it's nice to be able to. I certainly wouldn't bother joining another new forum to discuss it.

yaaayoubetcha
September 9th, 2005, 06:18 AM
just Who regularily, but i'd visit Smallville and Lost a lot...

creed462
September 9th, 2005, 06:38 AM
I picked Doctor Who, I thought only pick one opps. But I would go into many of the others.

Wyrminarrd
September 9th, 2005, 07:09 AM
While B5 and Farscape are incredibly great shows I don´t believe that shows that are over deserve their own forums, there just isn´t that much to talk about. The worst thing that can happen is if each forum becomes highly specialised and only a few individuals go into each and thus the discussions become short and between just those few members. It´s better to have just one place to discuss all such things, make the official policy that it´s ok to make threads discussing anything regarding those shows.

Now as for shows that are still going on I´d like to see a Lost forum, this show is great and is virtually made for forum speculations.

Darren
September 9th, 2005, 09:29 AM
Thanks all for the feedback! My inclination is to only create dedicated forums for those shows that are still in active production (including Firefly, since it has a big movie coming out this month). As much as I think series like B5 and Farscape are some of the best genre TV ever produced, the number of threads for them right now reflects that there isn't a ton to actively talk about.

Our goal is to find that perfect balance between too many folders (where threads sit for days or weeks with no new replies) and too few (where it's hard to find things that interest you, and threads are huge and frequently falling off the first thread listings page).

Stay tuned!

Deputy-Assistant-Second-Prime
September 9th, 2005, 11:41 AM
Thanks all for the feedback! My inclination is to only create dedicated forums for those shows that are still in active production (including Firefly, since it has a big movie coming out this month). As much as I think series like B5 and Farscape are some of the best genre TV ever produced, the number of threads for them right now reflects that there isn't a ton to actively talk about.

Our goal is to find that perfect balance between too many folders (where threads sit for days or weeks with no new replies) and too few (where it's hard to find things that interest you, and threads are huge and frequently falling off the first thread listings page).

Stay tuned!
IMO, large franchises such as Star Trek and Doctor Who offer so many potential topics and threads, it doesn't really matter if there currently are new television episodes.

Carbito
September 10th, 2005, 03:37 AM
Since when is Lost Sci-Fi?

Madeleine
September 10th, 2005, 04:26 AM
This folder is for SF & Fantasy. A polar bear on a tropical island and an invisible monster gives a show a sort of SF & Fantasy vibe to it :)

IMForeman
September 10th, 2005, 08:18 AM
Hurray Doctor Who for maintaining the lead! And Firefly for holding second!

-IMF

Egeria
September 10th, 2005, 08:42 AM
Hurray Doctor Who for maintaining the lead! And Firefly for holding second!

-IMF

There seems to be a healthy number of Doctor Who fans knocking around...it's great.:)

Simonthefurling
September 10th, 2005, 10:14 AM
I watch a few of those shows. But Lost is the only one I'd be active in.

alexia_star_2002
September 10th, 2005, 10:25 AM
I think they should add the 4400. I started watching this show when they did the replay of season 1 back in May and I instantly fell in love with the show. Now I'm really sad that season two is over. Can't wait for season 3!!!!

KatG
September 10th, 2005, 11:10 AM
I'd definitely participate in the Lost and The 4400 subfolders. Possibly in Smallville too, but not as much as the others.

Like many others here, I like the idea of one stop shopping. Saves time and effort and I pretty much know what to expect from the posters and the mods.

Willow'sCat
September 11th, 2005, 08:57 AM
This folder is for SF & Fantasy. A polar bear on a tropical island and an invisible monster gives a show a sort of SF & Fantasy vibe to it :)O.K I get the Fantasy part but there seems to be a lot of fiction but not much science IMO. Bit like Buffy and Angel, fantasy not so much the SciFi.;)

Seshat
September 11th, 2005, 09:00 AM
My only interest lies in potential Doctor Who subfolders. :)

ShadowMaat
September 11th, 2005, 09:06 AM
O.K I get the Fantasy part but there seems to be a lot of fiction but not much science IMO. Bit like Buffy and Angel, fantasy not so much the SciFi.;)
Well, since this is a SciFi and FANTASY folder, I guess it doesn't matter. ;)

But Abrams has said that (spoilers for a theme in Lost)everything that happens on Lost has a real/scientific explanation. And if my guess about the invisible monster is right, it's one of the more sciencey staples of scifi.

Willow'sCat
September 11th, 2005, 07:54 PM
Well, since this is a SciFi and FANTASY folder, I guess it doesn't matter. ;)

But Abrams has said that (spoilers for a theme in Lost)everything that happens on Lost has a real/scientific explanation. And if my guess about the invisible monster is right, it's one of the more sciencey staples of scifi.Well maybe the Mods should retitle this thread because the title of the thread is SciFi - show subfolders but hey I don't watch LOST anyway so what do I know. :rolleyes: Far be it for me to be one of those nit-pickers. :o

dipsofjazz
September 12th, 2005, 12:30 PM
I'd go into the Dr Who thread, and would probably have a look at one or two of the others, like Lost and Firefly.

Carbito
September 16th, 2005, 09:59 PM
I just got around to watching Firefly, which is a great show and I don't know why I did not do it sooner. A Firefly sub-folder would be nice.

Seastallion
September 22nd, 2005, 03:51 AM
Aw... If I'd seen this thread earlier, I'd have put my vote on "The 4400". :o

sgt.siler
September 23rd, 2005, 11:06 AM
And I would've voted for The Dead Zone. :(

walterIsTheMan
September 23rd, 2005, 11:35 AM
dont forget sliders! :)

L-JADE
October 13th, 2005, 12:30 PM
I would've ask for a WHEDONVERSE folder that'll include : BTVS, Angel, Firefly, Serenity and future Joss Whedon work of art