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September 8th, 2005, 11:15 AM
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SG-1 finds a genetically advanced Goa'uld-human hybrid created by Anubis, and returns him to Earth for study. But even keeping him alive may not be worth the risk.

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Shivan
September 16th, 2005, 05:20 PM
Wow, SG1 feels like SG1 so far.

I'm happy.

spg_1983
September 16th, 2005, 05:22 PM
i loved daniels line to mitchell, "HEY! New guy!"

Shivan
September 16th, 2005, 05:29 PM
Oh noes!! The SG1 operation might be shut down again! :p

This episode and the next might revive my love for SG1!!

Mattathias2.0
September 16th, 2005, 05:50 PM
I love the dude's acting who is playing Kkalek... He is awesome!!!!

Shivan
September 16th, 2005, 05:59 PM
Wow, great episode!!!

YES! SG1 IS BACK!~

AGateFan
September 16th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Yes that was indeed a great SG-1 ep. It has given me some hope again. I laughed I had chills, I cheered.. shoot him some more!!!!

Sprinkles
September 16th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Prototype - I'm hitting the reset button on this show......

Love it, love it, love it, love it, love it!

The team is back!

JacksCSM
September 16th, 2005, 06:14 PM
Great show. Wow that went quick. So much going on I suddenly went, "It's over already :D ? No doubt SG1 is back in play - hey la hey la the team is back :D

Iguana775
September 16th, 2005, 06:16 PM
Yes that was indeed a great SG-1 ep. It has given me some hope again. I laughed I had chills, I cheered.. shoot him some more!!!!


That's what i was thinking.

I would have brought a P90 with a couple clips to unload in him.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
September 16th, 2005, 06:16 PM
Robert Woolsey is Dick

Loved Daniel's New Guy quote.

Better than I thought is was going to be.

Mattathias2.0
September 16th, 2005, 06:17 PM
I was so upset when he was shot. That was incredible acting for that character.

Sokar all over again.

epiphany
September 16th, 2005, 06:18 PM
And the guy who wrote is a "new guy", I believe it's his first episode writing. I think we'd get more episodes like this if we'd get more new blood in terms of the writers. :)

Mattathias2.0
September 16th, 2005, 06:20 PM
I was upset that Khalek was killed. That was incredible acting. Possible great long term foe (tho we do have our hands full).

Nice to see Dick again.

I agree that Daniel's quote was awesome and appropriate.

Great episode.

deathbed1983
September 16th, 2005, 06:26 PM
this was a great epidsode, im amazed how good it was

unowhoandwhy
September 16th, 2005, 06:27 PM
I'll join in on your happy dance!


Especially since Orlin is back?! They actually brought back a one-shot character from forever ago?!?!...oops, that part should be in the FOurth Horseman thread, sorry!

Wow all around so far.

And I loved hearing Mitchell say, "SG-1 LEADER to..." :D

USS Thunderchild
September 16th, 2005, 06:37 PM
Great episode, and agree with the all around good acting. Nice to see some death/ reality in the show again.

Watching the 9 pm episode now, and though it's not bad, Damian Kindler just isn't a very good writer IMHO.

Hybridbabe
September 16th, 2005, 06:49 PM
Even though I knew it was coming, (Spoiler: ) I was amazed that Daniel was the one to kill Khalek. WOW. I saw that shot and the camera focused on Daniel, and I went, "Oh My God" because even tho I was expecting it, it was still a shock! Guess he proved Khalek right, huh?

VERY, VERY GOOD SG-1 Ep. Man, it's starting to really feel like the older, and some of the best, seasons!!!!

Dani76
September 16th, 2005, 06:52 PM
WOW! WOW! WOW! Prototype is the best ep so far this season. What a powerful show. TFH is starting off good as well, but man this was just great. Gotta love Alan McCullough. Can't wait for more of his eps in the second half. ;)

Darth Buddha
September 16th, 2005, 06:53 PM
I was upset that Khalek was killed. That was incredible acting.
Errr... acting like a Goa'uld involves what, going bad guy a la William Shatner? I've never seen any Goa'uld portrayal that required anything other than over the top BAD acting.


Possible great long term foe (tho we do have our hands full).
Don't give the writers any further encouragment. We need them to just say no to rehashed enemies. I'm not opposed to the idea of a Mattathias2.0, but Anubis version 24.2 is out!

USS Thunderchild
September 16th, 2005, 06:57 PM
Don't give the writers any further encouragment. We need them to just say no to rehashed enemies. I'm not opposed to the idea of a Mattathias2.0, but Anubis version 24.2 is out! I'd rather a nuanced performance from a rehash than an overtly "stargate" acting job from a new baddie (aka that british ori). Just sayin. not bad mouthin the gate y'all.

MarshAngel
September 16th, 2005, 07:04 PM
I'm glad they packaged the episodes together because on its own Prototype is somewhat anticlimactic. It does give some excellent info on the Ancients though and cleared up quite a few things.
The one thing it does prove is what I've always believed: Always listen to Daniel. It will save you much headache.

Khalek was kind of hot. Love his accent.

For the first time I begin to understand why everyone thinks Daniel's a little harsh this season but I still feel it's justified, especially after this episode. We finally have a guy who knows how to learn from past mistakes. Woolsey obviously isn't one of those.

Shivan
September 16th, 2005, 07:06 PM
Khalek was kind of hot. Love his accent.


OMG YES!! I thought the same thing!! :)
Oh brother, I'm getting off-topic.

Did anyone else think he kinda resembled the main guy in The Dead Zone?

AGateFan
September 16th, 2005, 07:08 PM
I'm glad they packaged the episodes together because on its own Prototype is somewhat anticlimactic. It does give some excellent info on the Ancients though and cleared up quite a few things.
The one thing it does prove is what I've always believed: Always listen to Daniel. It will save you much headache.

Khalek was kind of hot. Love his accent.

For the first time I begin to understand why everyone thinks Daniel's a little harsh this season but I still feel it's justified, especially after this episode. We finally have a guy who knows how to learn from past mistakes. Woolsey obviously isn't one of those.
Prototype was anti climatic or four Hourseman I?
I guess we learned about anceints in both eps.

Not to steal your quote but "the one thing it does prove is what I've always believed:" Dont randomly push buttons.

Osiris-RA
September 16th, 2005, 07:12 PM
Well, Prototype was, for me, boring. The little guy seemed too sinister for his own good. While it's always fun seeing a telekenetic person, it just wasn't as cool as it could have been. I keep getting the feeling that there's a whole new writing staff who needs to watch S1-7 of SG or at the very least, re-watch it.

A few nitpicks:

Why's Mitch gotta wear a hat? Jack's the hat wearer! You're only digging your own grave, buster!!

I'm getting a tad sick of Teal'c and his arms. I mean, yay for skin but...really, does he believe in shirts anymore? And I don't mean those stripper shirts.

It seemed awful quick for Daniel to realize the dude was a genetic clone. I'd have prefered it if Khalik had given himself away. Show me, don't tell me!!

How did Carter know - or guess so quickly - that he heard them. Do genetic clones have a tendancy of aquiring super-ears? What's her secret? Did JM give something away when he said in his fake spoilers she's a secret empath? Hmmm?

And WHY would Khalik use his oh-so-cool-and-not-the-least-bit-matrix-ey powers of telekenetics to use the keyboard to dial up the gate? The Asgard didn't. Linea didn't as far as I know... The Ancients certainly don't have to...whats up?

An interesting bit of trivia, in the arabic language, the name Khalik, alternatley spelled Khaliq is a word and a name of God meaning Creator or Creation. I'm guessing TPTB did their research. :D

epiphany
September 16th, 2005, 07:13 PM
I thought 4H was a bit anti climatic after Prototype, but Proto was intense.

MarshAngel
September 16th, 2005, 07:16 PM
Prototype was anti climatic or four Hourseman I?
I guess we learned about anceints in both eps.

Not to steal your quote but "the one thing it does prove is what I've always believed:" Dont randomly push buttons.
That was my second thought. "New guy" indeed. Even Oneill wouldn't have done anything that stupid. Haven't they developed off world rules by now with all they've experienced?

rule #1. Don't touch wierd technology you don't understand.

Was lam wearing a suit and if not, why isn't she infected? Wasn't she one of the first people to examine the off world teams?

AGateFan
September 16th, 2005, 07:17 PM
Snip
Why's Mitch gotta wear a hat? Jack's the hat wearer! You're only digging your own grave, buster!!


All Air Force personal are required to wear "cover" while out of doors so that is for realism, which Im all for. Funny they still wore black in the forest, but Walters wearing green in the SGC :p . But I guess they did want to be seen :p

the fifth man
September 16th, 2005, 07:20 PM
Man, that was an awesome episode. It blew my expectations totally out of the water. And how about that Khalek, huh? I thought the actor who played him did an excellent job. Tptb definitely did not let down in this one. This and "The Fourth Horseman Part 1" really reinforced my faith in the direction of this season.

Snork
September 16th, 2005, 07:47 PM
Yes that was indeed a great SG-1 ep. It has given me some hope again. I laughed I had chills, I cheered.. shoot him some more!!!!
Yeah, the amount of bullets was awesomely unnecesary. I emphasise the awesome part.

It's nice to have some good action sequences in SG-1 again. Right now BSG totally dominates in that field, but SG-1 has had some scenes where Teal'c just like unleashes on some people.
'GO TELL YOUR KINSMAN THAT TEAL'C HAS RETURNED TO CHULAK!'

Traveler Enroute1
September 16th, 2005, 07:50 PM
Well done episode. Even though Sam was sent offworld without SG1 early on, the plot progressed to a team effort, including Dr. Lam, General Landry and Dr. Lee.

Yes, Cam was a bit off with pushing buttons on unknown technology that, as Daniel reminded him, he couldn't read. Stark reminder of ...VALA! In truth, Cam was pretty much responsible for everything that followed after, but I don't suppose that will be a factor down the line.

Naturally I loved Scientist Sam, hunting down the mystery of the oops in the Stargate. Technotalk, yeah! And there seemed to be a lot of interplay with Sam and Daniel on the problem, with Daniel speaking some babble pretty well himself. Nice. Liked the actor who was Khalek, great threatening presence.

I haven't seen the second viewing yet, so will suspend anymore analysis. But it does look more like SG1 has arrived than any other ep so far. :)

Just sayin'.

the fifth man
September 16th, 2005, 07:55 PM
I know I definitely hope for more episodes of this quality. And I think we'll get them.

sgatelvr
September 16th, 2005, 08:00 PM
Oh yeah, that was SG1!! Much, much better than last week!

I guess tptb answered the "who is the leader of SG1" question: giving Sam SG5 to take on her mission, then Mitchell's "this is SG1 leader" ... well, it doesn't get much clearer than that!

Sorry, have to disagree with others--O'Neill would have been just as likely to press that button as Mitchell; if not more so.

Jackson's still harsh. I'm actually beginning to feel like MS is overacting. I'm just not liking this *new* Jackson.

Thought Kalek was a bit over the top, but still liked him. Maybe because he's hot, or maybe because of the accent? Don't know. But, I'm glad he died. We definitely didn't need his brand of badness along with the Ori.

All told, I LOVED it!!

Dave Thomer
September 16th, 2005, 08:02 PM
Not a bad episode at all. But I gotta say I think Daniel should look into a mirror before warning anyone else about poking into things they don't understand.

And, y'know, there's a chance that Fourth Horseman will indicate that Woolsey was actually right about studying the clone being worth the risk.

IMForeman
September 16th, 2005, 08:03 PM
A really great episode. I think it really shows how much Daniel really personally hates Anubis. For him to be essentially channeling Jack with a "kill it now" response to this Khalek fella... Daniel's come a long way.

-IMF

greytop
September 16th, 2005, 08:34 PM
I agree with all who agree that this was a good episode. They were a team in this one.

Especially, Daniel's quote about Cam being the 'New Guy'.

Traveler Enroute1
September 16th, 2005, 08:38 PM
A really great episode. I think it really shows how much Daniel really personally hates Anubis. For him to be essentially channeling Jack with a "kill it now" response to this Khalek fella... Daniel's come a long way.

-IMF

Daniel sure has put aside any excess compassion for compassionless villains. Not only his hatred of Anubis, but what he's witnessed of the Ori and their Priors. Reminiscent of Jack? A bit.

Daniel is past the "let's study him/it/them" if he knows the dangers to others. It fits, as long as he doesn't get trigger happy.

And speaking of triggers, WHY didn't they use bigger guns when they saw how bullets hurt Khalek? Assuming, of course, they got a chance to use them which they did at the end. They needed a Ronon gun; one shot, instant aeration, end of threat. ;)

Dan and Cam, taking down the baddie wild west style. Great shot ( :rolleyes: ), a pun I did NOT intend.


Just playin', Just sayin'.

Michelle05
September 16th, 2005, 08:42 PM
I enjoyed Prototype very much. Interesting and suspenseful story, good characterizations, great actiing from regulars and guests. I thought the Woolsey stuff was sort of contrived, but that's how I always feel when the realities of government oversight come into play in the show.

I wonder why Cam still has a cut on his cheek -- did BB really cut himself filming Babylon? They don't usually show injuries after an episode is over.

Ascend-o-meter -- funny!

My only complaint is that this week, on top of the usual horrible sound quality my SciFi channel provides, there was bizarre jumpiness in the image, as if a computer somewhere wasn't keeping up with the buffers or something. Drag.

Well done Alan on his first SG story!

FoolishPleasure
September 16th, 2005, 09:00 PM
"New guy". .*LOL*

Very good episode. Khalek was nice and creepy, and I was happy he didn't get away to come back over and over and over. Anubis was never a fav of mine - lets get on to other things. ;)

The "old timers" seem to be back to their normal selves, and the newbies have finally fit in.

I love Friday nights. :D

Bobthespirit
September 16th, 2005, 09:05 PM
Okay. Why is EVERY villain in the series some super-powerful creature that takes desparate measures to fight?

WHAT happened to the balance in the series? Even when the gu'ald were much more powerful than earth there was a semblance of balance. You got the idea that some brilliant strategy or trick could win for them. Not with the current villains. They're so much more powerful than us that it takes deus ex machina or giant explosions to kill them.

Lack of balance between good guys and bad guys is making Stargate really bad.

I don't know if the producers read this forum, or anyone connected with the show, but if you do: Please. In part two, bring back the BALANCE! If balance never brings back and the Ori are beaten by another feat of Deus Ex Machina, I'll be forced to personally consider the series finale to be either Lost City or Moebius. (I haven't decided).

khd
September 16th, 2005, 09:14 PM
I concur with the majority. 'Prototype' is a great episode, better that '4th Horseman'. I haven't seen that much blood on Stargate since 'Resurrection'.

Anubis. Best Stargate villain to date.

epiphany
September 16th, 2005, 09:19 PM
But it was strategy or a trick that killed him. It wasn't a deux ex machina, it was exploiting a weakness. While Khalek was concentrated on Mitchell and stopping his bullets and essentially mentally gloating that he could, he totally missed Daniel coming in and so Daniel was able to shoot him in the heart and then Dan and Cam made sure the job was done, but good. :) Took a chance that it would work but it did.

All it took was a distraction and a handgun, an old tried and true trick -- distract them with the left hand and get smack them with the right. :)

Amakusa
September 16th, 2005, 09:26 PM
I can't hesitate to say how much I liked this episode. Especially since they didn't let Kalek get away like I was afraid of (I called the gate lockout, wasn't entirely expecting the redirect back to the SGC, though, but it makes sense).

About Daniel channeling Jack, I think that was fairly apparent from last week's "Oh, but it is!" which is something Jack would say. I suppose Daniel is going to partially fulfill the vacuum Jack left.

Kalek's kill count is 8, I believe. Kind of low for a high-powered bad guy, but I can live with that. I really didn't want another Anubis running around, because he wasn't nearly as cool as the other, more 'normal', Goa'uld.

Hybridbabe
September 16th, 2005, 09:57 PM
I get the really dreaded feeling that we haven't seen the last of "Khalek" though. I mean, think about it: If Anubis could, essentially, "clone" himself once, what's to say he can't do it again? And again, and again, and again....

What's to say that that was his only clone child? there could always be more.

*Dun, dun, dunnnnnnnn....* Oh, we are so screwed if there's an army of Anubises (Anubi?) running around in Ascended land.....

mi4si
September 16th, 2005, 10:15 PM
good episode...can't wait till January..... :(

Samuel J. Tilden
September 16th, 2005, 10:21 PM
Khalek is probably what Anubis should have been in the first place instead of a talking puddle. By far the coolest of all Nuby's avatars.

I don't understand how Khalek can stop automatic weapons fire from multiple airman but is put down by Daniel just because he and Mitchell are standing 10 feet apart. If Daniel had snuck up from behind it would have made sense but he was standing right in front of the guy!

I really like the new establishing shots of Cheyenne Mountain.

Amakusa
September 16th, 2005, 11:25 PM
I think it's more like the guy's blind arrogance that he never considered an attack from two directions. Up until that point everyone attacked him from the same direction at a time.

Seastallion
September 16th, 2005, 11:42 PM
Great episode..! :) I think we all agree that the "New guy" bit was truly memorable... :D Boss, or no boss... Mitchell wasn't getting away with it..! :pIn response to Osiris-Ra's question about why Khalik didn't just 'magically' make the event horizon appear the way the Asgard, and the Nox have been seen to do... perhaps he wasn't evolved enough to do it yet? Also, advancement doesn't necessarily mean you are capable of anything. We've seen plenty of aliens with 'wild' powers that we've never seen an Ancient duplicate. In fact, the only ancients we know of that are probably capable of almost anything are the ascended ones. (Not that we know of any living physical ones.) In fact, beyond their great intelligence, the only powers we've seen ancients (or ancient-like humans) employ, are telepathy, telekinesis, and healing powers. The opposite of those healing abilities have also been seen. (The Ori plague)

We've seen aliens transform into other creatures ('Spirits'), take over machines, and numerous other things. I'd guess that the ancients, even in their advanced form didn't have all those abilities. So, why should we expect the advanced-Anubis-hybrid guy should? :p

Kliggins
September 16th, 2005, 11:42 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. It kept me interested from beginning to end. Nice direction by Will Waring. :)

JanusAncient
September 16th, 2005, 11:49 PM
Fantastic! It was appropriate to kill Khalek, but the way they did it, in the words of Ancient Aiyanna "amazing." I was thrilled, Daniel actually wanting to kill someone, a complete 180, I loved this episode, it satisfied my Stargate craving.

the dancer of spaz
September 17th, 2005, 12:10 AM
OK, I haven't read through the thread yet, but... Here it goes.

First order of business: I guess the "Who's The Boss?" War between Sam and Cam fans is (somewhat) over. Cameron identified himself as SG-1 leader, and Sam did her 2IC deal. Business as usual. Except she ordered people around, and Cam's "orders" were more like suggestions when addressing her.

Second order: Still, my feelings on the subject were neatly summed up in two words by the lovely Daniel Jackson: "New guy?!"

Why, oh why, oh why would Cameron think that he could just go hitting buttons on a panel that he couldn't hope to decipher? Looking for a dang light switch? Wha?!?! Yes, Daniel hit stuff too, but he could actually READ it. Again, this could be categorized as an "honest mistake" on Cam's part, but I'm not so sure I buy that. What happened to the "no touchy-touchy rule?" If they had just waited a bit, Daniel would have figured out WHO and WHAT they were dealing with, and they would have been able to move on accordingly.

Then again, the episode would have panned out differently, wouldn't it have? Oh, how it's soooo interesting when the characters' behavior is used as a plot device.

I liked the actor who played Nuby Jr. Not only was he Jude Law-esque, but he was also just so incredibly sinister. It's a shame he died so soon. Dang. Hey, maybe HE found some cloning technology! ;)

I'm beginning to like Lam more and more. LD did a great job of showing how unnerved Carolyn was at the thought of killing a patient (Nuby 2) who was in her care. Still, she was dedicated and steadfast in finding out what was going on. Lam's got a very rough edge to her, but her soft side is definitely reminiscent of Janet. She wasn't nearly as ticked off at Daddy as she was in previous eps. I'm looking forward to seeing more of that soft side come out as the season progresses.

As much as I liked the Daniel/Cameron shot of them walking up the ramp, I thought the Billions of Bullets was unnecessarily violent - even for this show. Meh. I'll live.

Bridges stood out to me as well. It was great to see Landry under stress. He's got a lot on his plate, he's really overwhelmed, and he's got 3/4 of his frontline team acting as if this is normal. Landry earned many more points in my book this episode.

Robert Picardo and Michael Shanks also did well in this episode. From start to finish, "Dick" provided the perfect opportunity for us to see how idiotic the government was being - like Sam said, he honestly believed his own spin. By the end of the episode, he was once again questioning his position and his beliefs. The ending scene was very well done, and it's good to see the confliction in Daniel again. He really ISN'T a murderer, but he knows what needs to be done from here on out.

Overall, it was a good episode, and a surprisingly good tie-in to "The Fourth Horseman Part I." :)

lethalfang
September 17th, 2005, 01:03 AM
I was so upset when he was shot. That was incredible acting for that character.

Sokar all over again.

It's great writing that the prototype is killed. It was entirely unexpected. It was a shocker. I thought they were just trying to get in to manually set up the Iris and the episode is over. I was certain that was going to happen. And I was thinking to myself, "yeah, one more problem one more enemy without resolution. SGC screws up again. The bad guys get away as always. The bad guys always get away (e.g. foothill aliens, etc.)."
Then, suddenly he pops back into the gate room and goes "bang bang bang," and I didn't know what hit me.

Jace021903
September 17th, 2005, 03:30 AM
I think this is my favorite episode of season 9 so far which is saying something because I have really enjoyed the season overall.

This has been a different kind of season because of the cast changes, but with this episode, I think they have hit their stride in meshing the new with the original. Of course, now they are going on haitus for a few months. But at least, I have something to look forward to in January. :)

Good team feel to this episode--everybody working toward the same goal. Great villian who was menacing without being over the top cheesy. There was a feeling of urgency in having to stop this guy. Loved seeing Woolsey again. I didn't guess the ending which is nice.

The new characters--Mitchell, Landry and Lam have settled in and feel like part of the show now, not just guest characters.

The new team dynamic is not the same that Jack had with the team but
I like it. There is a developing friendship and respect which I love. Mitchell doesn't have the same style as Jack, but I think it works for the character and the story. He doesn't order them around a lot because he doesn't have to.

I have been really liking Sam a lot this season and she is really good in this episode. Competent at her specialty but take charge and kick butt when she needs to.

My, how our Daniel has changed over the years--eliminate the threat immediately rather than communicating with it. He has learned a few things along the way, which is kind of poignant when compared with his earlier idealism but makes perfect sense since he has been at this for so many years and been through so much.

Teal'c didn't have tons to do individually, but he was a solid presence on the team. Loved the stunt where he flies back and takes out the people behind him.

A final note ;) , the music was excellent in highlighting the sense of peril in this episode. Actually, it has been great all year, so cheers to the people responsible.

Overall, an excellent episode that I will definately rewatch.

Jace

Darkhawk
September 17th, 2005, 03:38 AM
I wish daniel made himself adv human and stop the prototype :/

With this maschine they found a way to fight the Priors and they dont use it...

Jonisa
September 17th, 2005, 05:16 AM
I really enjoyed this episode. Near the end of it while the Khalek guy was getting away I actually thought to myself, "Dang, this episode is great and what's even better is I don't know how they're going to get themselves out of this!" We've all seen so much TV that it must be difficult for writers to come up with plot twists that engage the audience and that we can't figure out ahead of time, and I love it when they can do it. I didn't see this one coming. I did think Daniel would be the one to kill him in the end, due to the earlier conversation between the two, but I wasn't sure how it was going to happen.

I also loved it that everyone had something to do, and all of their contributions were important. Hmmmm, Teal'c didn't do much, did he? Well, he made up for that in the next episode. Carter got her scientist mojo on bigtime, Cam was funny and very involved, and Daniel...he gets a paragraph to himself.

I loved his development this episode. MS did a good job of conveying the confliction that Daniel must have been feeling. He knew very, very well, better than anyone there, how evil and how dangerous Khalek was and that there was no way to keep him alive without unleashing a huge threat on earth, which in turn might lead to lots and lots of other deaths. However, knowing that a person needs to be eliminated and actually suggesting it or doing it are two different things. Yet in the end he makes the hard choice that he didn't like but he knew was right.

Woolsey is a wonderful antagonist too, because he does what he does because he believes it is right, not because he's a stereotypical bad guy.

I've been a fan of Season 9 in general so far, especially the initial episodes with Vala. (I love the character, can't help it, she's a lot of fun. :D ) This episode ranks right up there as one of my favorites of the year. Suspense, humor, lots of fun character interaction, just a great episode all around.

I do know there is some kerfuffle about who's leading the team. Sitting off and observing from my perspective as someone who doesn't really care either way is a nice place to be, but it seemed to me (last night anyway) that Cameron is the team leader. Daniel should have briefed him about not touching things a long time ago though. He should know. :p

SierraGulf1
September 17th, 2005, 06:07 AM
A delectible sci-fi Friday, and no doubt, in my opinion, the two best episodes thus far. I believe my usual analysis is in order before I head on over to The Fourth Horseman thread and give it there.

SierraGulf1's Evaluation of SG-1 9.09: "Prototype"

Wow. I've been one of the people who's been liking Season 9 so far but wow. This episode was proof that they can still be both a team and a good show without Vala (although I can't say I'd mind having her around anyway :) ) If I recall, I gave a long, boring speech about how Babylon and the episodes before were still lacking a team feeling when I should have been talking about Babylon itself. My complaints suubsided in both episodes tonight, but at the moment we're talking about Prototype.

I loved them both tonight, but Prototype takes the crown as my most loved season 9 episode, with The Fourth Horseman, Part 1 trailing closely behind.

Seeing as I ranted about the loss of team dynamic last week, I think I'll do so again, this time ranting about how the band is truly back together. Everyone had something to do, whether they were studying Anubis's lab, kicking Khalek ass, figuring out ways of stopping the sinister ******* before he ascended (heh heh, ascend-o-meter).

I even didin't mind Lam so much tonight. There were a few good lines, like "new guy" and Khalek's obsession with calling Woolsey "Dick." That was a brilliant touch on the writer's part. Lots of action, lots of death (I'm not sadistic), and lots of violence paired in with good characterization makes for a lovely SG-1 episode. Now then, the character breakdown.

Mitchell's pressing the button was an honest mistake. I find it hard to believe there was any way at all to comprehend what Khalek was capable of, though he still shouldn't have pressed it. Whaaatever. Otherwise, Mitchell fit right in with the team this episode, kicking ass at the end, shooting Khalek (I lost count of how many times), and acting a tad bit more than a leader. It look eight episodes to characterize him last week, but now that he's devloped a bit more I can relate to him. Very, very good thing.

Carter seemed absent for a while, and I got worried, though my concern was unnecessary. From the promos and the spoiler episode shots on Gateworld, I feared that Carter wouldn't have a big enough role in this episode, but I felt that she was great. Quick thinking again, making the watchamacallit on the DHD send Khalek right back to Earth, and I didn't predict this until I saw the gate start to redial. Unpredictability to the very end, how kick ass can things get? But Sam truly shined in the Fourth Horseman, so I'll have lots to say there.

Daniel rocked in this episode. Jack has definitely rubbed off on him, which probably would happen in real life. After ascension, Jack, and all of the troubles he's gone through, I'm glad he's not the same man we saw jump in front of those priests on Chulak without knowing who or what they were in Children of the Gods. Daniel has wised up, but in scenes like the elevator scene with Woolsey you can still see some of naive Daniel shine through. I think he still wants to make friends with everyone, but he now realizes that this can't always be possible. Nice charatcer moments with Woolsey, too, and again the elevator scene comes to mind.

Teal'c has been getting a lot to do the past two weeks, and while he wasn't as heavily featured here, I'm glad he wasn't wallpaper. This is truly a team episode, and Teal'c did his part like everyone else. I pity those two soldiers, Teal'c if quite a large man to have shoved into you telekenetically.

Landry is a great leader, and call me traitorous, but I'm starting to like him just as much as General Hammond. For someone who didn't feel like he fit in or knew what he was doing in Avalon Part 1, he sure did handle this situation well. He listened to all members of the team and their suggestions on what to do with Khalek, and he threw Woolsey out, which I truly admired him for. He realized that despite the fact the SGC would lose budget money, Khalek could not stay alive. He had the world's safety in mind BEFORE the safety of the SGC's operation, truly admirable.

Khalek was an excellent, excellent actor. I'm straight and male, so I can't say anything on his looks like some of you have, but I know that, in the words of Christopher Judge, that "this cat can act." He was truly sinister, dare I say moreso than the hallowed Ori? Too bad I got shot, but I agree with an earlier statement that we can't have too many villians running through the galaxy, we've already got the Jaffa, Ori, and Ba'al on our hands.

Woolsey is a great villian in that he has a conscience. He didn't get to do much more than shake things up here, but I liked him and his interactions with/to Khalek and Daniel. I know we'll be seeing more of him.

Lam didn't piss me off! She'll never be Fraiser but maybe they're starting to humanize her some for me. Wooot!

Finally, I'll say that I loved the last two scenes, the elevator and Mitchell-Daniel-shoot-Khalek scenes. Those were very well done and great acting done by RP, MS, BB, and NJ. Bravo, SG-1, bravo!

Current ranking, best to worst (though I loved em all):

Prototype
The Fourth Horseman Part 1
Avalon Part 2
The Powers That Be
Beachhead
Ex Deus Machina
Origin
Avalon Part 1
Babylon
The Ties That Bind

macktheknife
September 17th, 2005, 06:50 AM
I would say this was the best episode since vala left, and one of the best including those episodes, with a good twist ending.

Traveler Enroute1
September 17th, 2005, 08:14 AM
Regarding what was previously posted as "bloody scenes," I was a little taken aback. We see soldiers taken out a lot in the series, rarely with pools of blood; burnt out holes in uniforms but blood, not much.

I say that only to say there was a least follow up on this bloodbath at SGC. Woolsey promised Daniel in the final scene that the families of dead servicemen will be taken care of. Someone mentioned that the body count was 8. A low number that doesn't begin to cover the loss in this particular branch and the families affected. This was welcomed, IMO, since so many soldiers die in SGC service and few mentions ever follow of their sacrifices. (Yes, the RW of Iraq and Middle East have made me more sensitive to soldiers dying "in the line of duty.")

It made the take-down of Khalek almost a cheering event, as if shooting holes in him made up for his killings (and his intent to kill for the pleasure of it) quite justified. As indeed, it was.

A powerful sequence, chillingly well written, directed and played.

Just sayin'.

kadosho
September 17th, 2005, 08:15 AM
Very surprising to see an old friend of mine playing Khalek.
Must say, they played their characer very well.

I wasnt able to catch the entire ep, but from what I saw (15 minutes).
Excellent. Just excellent.

:cool:

AGateFan
September 17th, 2005, 10:14 AM
Query: Who cut the grass around the gate? It was a very nicely mancured lawn.

Also, 1/20 of the gate is buried in the ground it appears to still work, that seems odd but no odder then storing people in the buffer and then autodialing back out (I thought that cleared the buffer).... oh well, stupid nitpics I know. These did not in anyway affect my viewing of the ep. I loved the ep, but I figured someone would bring these up anyway, so I figured I might as well.

Mitchell - great
Sam - great
Daniel - great (and uncharacteristically logical about killing someone, guy doesnt like anubis)
Teal'c - great
SG-5 - They actually survived the ep, good for them.
Landry - liked him a lot in this ep. Way to make the decision even if it did mean a cut in the budget.
Lam - Liked her in this ep. She acted very professional, I did expect her to argue with daniel or say she couldnt beleive they were suggesting to just kill him, but Im glad she didnt.
Woosly - Did a good job. Dont like his character so much, but Im not supposed to like him so much so thereyougo.
Katack (or whatever) - Did a very good job. Liked him but happy he died. I was so thinking they were going to let him get away but that Sam forwarded the gate somewhere else (ala the real anubis) but was happy they killed him. Besides like someone else said, Im sure there are more clones.
Walter - looks nice in green.
Siler - oh Siler, where art thou Siler.
Redshirts -- Good job with the stunts guys come back and play extras again.
Lighting guys -- I really liked how anubises lab was lit, maybe we can have more of that kind of lighting in the SGC.

Very good episode. I had great fun watching it. I got the chill up my spine that has been missing for most of the season. The good guys won but there as a time when I thought they would not. Definitly an "A" ep... not Reckoning II but I would vote for it if they had another best SG-1 eps contest.... assuming i could vote for 20-40 eps....:) Definitly my favorite of S9 so far.

Sela
September 17th, 2005, 10:38 AM
Loved Prototype. Enjoyed Daniel's, "Hey, New Guy!" It cracked me up.

With that, the conference room speech and the ending, did anyone else get chills watching Daniel channel Jack O'Neill?

(I had a flash of Jack sitting in his office in D.C. doing paperwork, getting a "someone walking on my grave" type shudder and then looking aorund to see if anyone else was in the room.)

golfbooy
September 17th, 2005, 11:41 AM
Weekly blithering about Stargate to follow. Be advised.

As most others have said here, Prototype was excellent. It certainly did have that Stargate feeling to it, something that has been sorely lacking during many instances this season. Vala had something to do with that, but so too did the static nature of the storytelling in the first half of the season. With Sam back the writers have in four episodes (Beachhead, Ex Deus, Prototype, and Fourth Horseman) managed to finally move the story along a good bit. It feels like stuff is happening now, not just in the galaxy but to SG-1 as a team as well. Those earlier episodes just felt too empty. SG-1 (the show), especially during the past few years, has always managed to cram far more into their episodes than other shows are wont to do, and with Prototype season nine finally had that feeling to it. At no point did the story lose momentum or the characters merely stand around and watch.

The actor cast as Kalek also did well. The role was nicely played, and without being too over-the-top to boot. He certainly carried off the sinister presence of the character well, especially considering he was confined to a chair for most of the story.

Most annoyingly about this episode, and season nine more generally, is the continual tapdance being done around the command issue on SG-1. The writers were always going to be challenged to justify Cam's role as team leader over Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c, so it appears as if they're not even going to try. Instead we get this little two-step, where any number of decisions have been made to muddy the waters. I won't go into the details, but it's not just actions I'm talking about. It's also the way scenes are blocked, inflection in dialog, and the way characters interact. I recognize that this is obviously a hot button issue, so if you see what I'm talking about, great. If not, that's great, too. I guess.

Robert Picardo's return as Richard Woolsey was perfectly executed. Again, as before, he plays the role of good-guy antagonist expertly. You really feel for the guy at the end of the episode, and you really do understand his position. At this point I'm inclined to hope that one of these days he ends up on the clear right side of a debate, and earns himself a measure of vindication. He deserves it.

Beau Bridges seems to be becoming more comfortable in his depiction of General Landry. He fits himself into the story in this one without the gruffness that has defined his character so far. A bit of credit in that regard goes to his increased screen time with Carter, Teal'c, and Daniel, who always manage to make those around them more comfortable in a Stargate environment.

Dr. Lam also continues to get some screentime, illustrating just how desperately the show missed having a doctor last year. It is a vital component to the show's storytelling, allowing the science aspect of Stargate to be presented a bit more credibly. Lexa Doig appears to be a comfortable fit for the show, and her continued presence will add to show's narrative.

It's nice to see Daniel's abilities to read Ancient and his experience with Anubis pay such high dividends for the show. Michael Shanks plays his scene with Kalek with a tired resignation to the eventual outcome, and with appropriate familiarity to such situations. I've read where some are displeased to see the character recommend and then resort to the willful killing of another, but I disagree. Daniel Jackson is much older now than he was when the series began, far older than the years that have elapsed. The character has grown as most people do--stronger, more knowledgeable, but more cynical and less idealistic as well.

Sam comes away from Prototype in fine form. Her return to the story with such a direct role in the action is welcome, as is the show's ability to run its progression through her character. I've always felt that Stargate stories were told either through Jack or through Sam, and with both gone earlier this year the show suffered. Prototype is what results with her presence. Add whomever you like, take away whomever you like, but if SG-1 loses both Carter and O'neill the show should call it a day.

Lastly, there's Mitchell, who managed to both fit into the story and to isolate himself as well. Perhaps it's my own perception and no one else sees things this way, but it doesn't help to have Daniel calling him new guy and to have Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c devising plans without him. Throw in his solo act at the base while the others are out and about, and I can't help but feel that we'll never get that same comfort level that existed on SG-1 previously. Still, aside from his blunder with the stasis pod, Mitchell plays the good soldier well. He takes orders unquestioningly, he stands guard nicely, and he plays well with others. There's just not that much to distinguish him from others at the base, except that he tags along with SG-1. Er, I mean he's on SG-1. Umm, I mean he leads SG-1. I guess. In the gee, do whatever you want while I stand here kind of way, that is.

And lastly (ha, I said lastly before, but I fooled you), kudos to integrating a number of elements from the show's past into the story. Woolsey's inclusion, Anubis' lab and son, and the DNA machine from Metamorphosis all serve this episode well. This show's mythology is vast and deep, and it got that way by building on itself expertly. Prototype does just that, and it's a big part of the reason why so many liked this one. Peter DeLuise gets a mention, too, for his fine direction of the closing scene with Kalek. It must have sounded rather ordinary on paper, but the direction elevates it greatly, adding excitement, tension, and gravitas to Kalek's killing.

Bring on The Fourth Horseman. Oh, wait they already did, didn't they. Well then bring on Part II.

wolverine_nl
September 17th, 2005, 12:38 PM
Actually, i like season 9 untill now, I liked Prototype, classic display of a SG1 episode with a good viewingrythm to it!

Mio
September 17th, 2005, 01:59 PM
Didn't the spoilers say that Anubis was planning any army of these guys? I didn't hear anything about that in the episode, or what the spoilers said Anubis planned to do with them: Destroy the Ascended Ancients.

Jonzey
September 17th, 2005, 02:03 PM
Was a brilliant episode. Really dramatic in places. Was kinda expecting them to find a hidden chamber in the lab filled with rows of thousands and thousands of the clones in stasis pods. IMO that's the only thing which would have made it better.

jyh
September 17th, 2005, 02:59 PM
"Ascendometer"!!!!!


Love it!!!!!

Neetz
September 17th, 2005, 03:21 PM
Hey, lookie. I’m posting! :) I’ve lurked and read on this board for a long time now, but I finally decided to break my silence with this episode. First, I must say, I’ve really enjoyed Season 9 as a whole and feel the development of the new team dynamics and new challenges have been well handled.

Now, for “Prototype”: Two things come to mind when I think of this episode: symmetry and irony.

I think the main focus of this episode was the real conclusion of the Daniel vs. Anubis story. From “Full Circle” on, I always had a feeling that there was a very personal antagonism between Daniel and Anubis that was almost a classic good vs. evil scenario. But Anubis was never really Daniel’s devil so much as he was Oma’s, and in the grand balance, it had to be Oma who dealt with him. Still, the conflict between our peace-loving archeologist and the half-ascended Goa’uld was very real, and with Oma taking Nubie out, it left Daniel without real closure. Kalek provided that closure.

It was a very powerful moment in the conference room when Daniel made it clear he believed Kalek should not be allowed to live. When Daniel Jackson advocates killing someone, it makes everyone sit up and say, “whoa!” The look on everyone’s faces perfectly illustrated this (great direction and non-verbal acting in this scene). This set up was wonderfully followed through with the “confrontation” between Daniel and Kalek. And, yes, when Kalek tells Daniel that one of them would have the “pleasure” of killing the other, I was pretty sure I knew how this one would end.

Daniel knows this villain well. Drawing not only on his experience with Anubis, but from Shifu’s teaching dream, Daniel knows that no human, no matter how advanced, can resist when they have the genetic memory of the Goa’uld. There is no doubt in his mind that Kalek must die. I enjoyed the fact that it was Daniel who thought to have Sam rig the gate to “call forward” back to Earth in anticipation of what Kalek might do. And the final moment, when it is Daniel’s shot that seals Kalek’s fate marks the moment when Daniel has finally defeated the hated Anubis, but his own demons from the Shifu dream as well. The classic symmetry: Oma (the “mother”) vs. Anubis, and Daniel (her surrogate son) defeating Kalek (Anubis’ offspring).

Now, as to the irony in the episode:

Most obviously, is the fact that Daniel, the last person you’d expect to advocate for the death of another living being, is not only the first one to see the necessity, but realizes, I think, from that first confrontation, that he will ultimately be the instrument of Kalek’s death. I don’t see it as out of character for Daniel at all. He isn’t as innocent as he once was; how could he be after all he’s seen. But that doesn’t mean the idealistic Daniel isn’t still there. We saw that clearly in “Avalon” earlier this season. And we see very clearly at the end of the episode how heavily the decision weighed upon his conscience. And yet it was something he knew he had to do. It was the right thing to do, no matter how hard. The greatest irony is that in this instance doing the right thing (a VERY Danielesque trait) was to kill.

Not only in Daniel do we get to see irony, but also, strangely enough, in Woolsey. I really like Woolsey. Okay, yes it’s kind of a love/hate relationship, but… Someone earlier called him an antagonist, and I believe that’s an important distinction. He isn’t a villain. He’s a man with a conscience who is trying to do the right thing, but is innately flawed in his judgments. He’s so determined to prove that he’s right, but deep down I think this is a VERY insecure man. His saving grace is, he has a conscience. Unlike Kinsey, he isn’t an evil, power-hungry man. And that makes him much more interesting. It provides an excellent counterpoint in this story with Kalek who is purely evil.

It’s highly ironic that in this episode, he is promoting the very thing he took General Hammond to task over: unacceptable risk to human lives. This time, he is the one advocating taking the chance to gain knowledge. His conflict with Daniel in this case is almost a direct opposite of the one in the interview room in “Heroes.” I think perhaps this irony isn’t lost on either of them in the elevator scene at the end of the episode.

I must give kudos all around for this episode. The story was wonderfully crafted for action and character development and the direction was executed to maximize both. The acting from Michael Shanks and Robert Picardo was outstanding. The rest of the cast also rose to the challenge. There were a lot of subtle moments that made the story work. And Neil Jackson was satisfyingly creepy in his portrayal of “son of evil.”

Now you see why I don’t post very often. :o I get very longwinded! Hopefully my analysis was worth the read. Thanks for your time.

Amakusa
September 17th, 2005, 04:25 PM
I think about how this episode ended, and how similar it was to the ending of that one episode with the girl that made the Replicators. Cam channeling Jack and shooting without hesitation, and Daniel not bothering to try and reason with the ultimate evil. Then I think back to the Recliner of Rage and how much that isn't true anymore.

This might be the first time in a long time where I can actually appreciate the character of Dr. Daniel Jackson.

White Knight
September 17th, 2005, 04:30 PM
Woah! Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah!
That was intense! Definatly the best episode of the season, and one of the best in a long while. The actor who played Khalek was brilliant, delightfully snooty and evil. It was good to see Woolsey back ("Can I call you Dick?") and hope to see more of him this season. And throughout the episode, I honestly couldn't guess how it was going to end. It was dramatic, it had thrills, it had action...9 out of 10. Definatly the best episode of the season.

And Neetz; good analysis. I hadn't thought of the episode like that, but now I see the parallels and ironys...good job.

Pharaoh Atem
September 17th, 2005, 04:37 PM
[SIZE=5]this was a very well done episode i think the reason daniel was acting like jack because this would had been a good episode for jack and there needed someone who would give it that feel or maybe daniel is so worried about making things worse that he could only think about what would jack do

warmbeachbrat
September 17th, 2005, 04:44 PM
Does anyone know if Altman was among those killed? Stargate has such a wonderful batch of recurring supporting characters, and I thought he would make a great addition. I could see him being a nice backup to Sam and Dr. Lee when they are tinkering with new technology.

AGateFan
September 17th, 2005, 04:51 PM
Does anyone know if Altman was among those killed? Stargate has such a wonderful batch of recurring supporting characters, and I thought he would make a great addition. I could see him being a nice backup to Sam and Dr. Lee when they are tinkering with new technology.
I think the only ones killed were unnamed SFs.

Droops
September 17th, 2005, 05:15 PM
I really liked this episode. I like Woolsey and he plays a great character in this episode. He's a straight shooter, trying to do what's right. He isn't always right but he's willing to admit his mistakes. Great recurring character.

Wonderful team dynamic. Everyone was doing what they should be doing. I still think that AT is a bit off, but not much. Everyone was great.

Daniel being hard-core was a welcomed change, and I loved the way MS played it. He knows, he understands, and he was willing to make the hard choices. Great stuff.

I wasn't as interested in the Goa'uld stuff as I was learning more about the Ancients and ascension. Given the next episode, this was important buildup and explanation.

My only nit is that Khalik said that one of them (he or Daniel) would experience the pleasure of killing. Well they both did. Small plot hole.

Otherwise, great stuff.

jyh
September 17th, 2005, 06:11 PM
My only nit is that Khalik said that one of them (he or Daniel) would experience the pleasure of killing. Well they both did. Small plot hole.

Otherwise, great stuff.


I agree that this episode was EXCELLENT. Kudos to the writers, and KEEP IT UP!!!

As for the "plot hole," I think what Khalik meant about the "joy of killing" was in DELIBERATELY killing someone. The killing he did at the SGC was simply because the Air Force personnel got in his way and he had to deal with them. Most of the time he didn't kill anyone, he just "flung" them away. On the other hand, Daniel did DELIBERATELY and INTENTIONALLY kill Khalik, as Khalik predicted one of them would.

One thing, though... we didn't see it, but did Khalik make those soldiers outside the gateroom shoot themselves? All we could hear was shooting and screaming. If that's what he did, that was deliberate, and he might have gotten some jollies from that, but even if he did, those jollies turned to confusion when he found he'd been shot & was getting lead pumped into him. Go, Daniel!!!

I loved the fact that SG-1 was a team again, even if Daniel & Teal'c spent more time on the planet than Carter & Mitchell. Loved Daniel's "new guy" comment, and my son had to pause the episode because he & I were laughing so hard at "ascendometer." :)

Was it my imagination, or did Khalik only "hear" Carter & Daniel once he was attached to the ascendometer? That's when we first saw it, anyway. I would think that he would have been so inundated by hearing everyone's thoughts and conversations that he would have been distracted or overwhelmed. :eek:

macktheknife
September 17th, 2005, 06:30 PM
Could have used a darker ending, example:

After he gets returned.

Mitchel shoots and gets his shots blocked, he gets flung down.

Khalek looks down, sees the blood etc etc.

Daniel keeps shooting, and Khalek goes down and Daniel goes to check he's dead, and he gets Throat grabbed, and Khalek says something to the effect of "do it, you know you have to", and then daniel aims the pistol at Khaleks head then cut away and boom.

Scarym1
September 17th, 2005, 06:34 PM
I must say I really enjoyed this ep. It definitely showed how Daniel has grown over the years. It was hard to watch him suggest that maybe that shouldn't save Khalek at all. I like that it shows Daniel will always try to do the right thing to do no matter how hard it is. I think this was probably the hardest thing he ever had to suggest. The fact that he did suggest it really made everyone see how just how serious a threat that khalek is.

That scene where he tells Khalek to cut the crap because they know who he is was intense. It was amazing how Khalek changed from the innocent victim to the Pychopath. How he was baiting Daniel and that Daniel wouldn't have anything to do with it. This ep was amazingly shot.

I love the interaction of the Team. Especially Daniel's the "New Guy" bit. LOL!!!!! Mitchell saying that Daniel touch something as well and Daniel saying well at least he could read Ancient. Great Banter.:cool:

It was a neat twist to see how Daniel did end up killing Khalek. I am glad it wasn't a one on one duel to the death. He did it because it had to be done. Not out of anger, hatred or revenge. Together with Mitchell they took him down.

The ending scene was good. It showed that Daniel was emotionally affect by the whole situation. He admission that he wouldn't forgive Woolsley (sp) came as a surprise to me. I never consider Woolsley a villian. Hopefully one of these days he will side with the SGC and get them back there funding .

Neetz, I really liked your comments on Irony and Symmetry in PROTOTYPE.

AGatefan, I was also thinking where is Sgt. Siler. Hopefully we will get to see him again soon.

I think that Lam is finally coming into her own. She seems to fit in better. To me she just seems more personable.

Well that it for me. I am off to the 4th Horsemen thread. Another Great ep.:D

Samuel J. Tilden
September 17th, 2005, 08:01 PM
Most obviously, is the fact that Daniel, the last person you’d expect to advocate for the death of another living being, is not only the first one to see the necessity, but realizes, I think, from that first confrontation, that he will ultimately be the instrument of Kalek’s death. I don’t see it as out of character for Daniel at all. He isn’t as innocent as he once was; how could he be after all he’s seen.
To be fair, Daniel has always had a dark streak lurking beneath the gentle surface. He did waste a whole tankful of larval Gou'ald back in Season 1 even after Sam(!) tried to reason with him about the morality of such a violent act.

SimilarCadence
September 17th, 2005, 08:14 PM
Now you see why I don’t post very often. :o I get very longwinded! Hopefully my analysis was worth the read. Thanks for your time.
Your analysis was very well worth the read! You gave me lots to think about...things I hadn't considered before. Thanks! :)

Giantevilhead
September 17th, 2005, 09:22 PM
They really should have kept a transport lock on Khalek with the Prometheus, it would have saved a lot of trouble. In fact, they should have used the Prometheus to move Khalek to a desloate planet with no Stargate and interrogate him via radio or better yet an Asgard holographic generator.

the fifth man
September 17th, 2005, 09:56 PM
It was some amazing stuff to see how much Daniel Jackson has changed over the course of this series. And I think it is a really good thing. Being a part of the SGC has really opened his eyes, made him a wiser person. Everything he's gone through, all he's seen, has left their marks on him. I can't wait to see what other little surprises await us and the good Dr. Daniel Jackson this season.

CorranH96
September 17th, 2005, 10:34 PM
Memo to all SGC personnel:

When dealing with Priors and/or other highly evolve beings with telekinetic abilities do not forget that aiming for the head usually results in a kill; also do not forget the use of grenades and incendiary rounds.

Kingfisher
September 18th, 2005, 02:49 AM
I have one slight problem with then end of Prototype and maybe I missed it or maybe it just wasn't there, but how in the hell did Jackson get himself into the gate room?

greytop
September 18th, 2005, 02:52 AM
There are two door doing into the gate room. They are just opposite of each other.

macktheknife
September 18th, 2005, 04:28 AM
So... mitchel needed Tealc with a crowbar and 5 SGC guys, and jackson...

Um.... Teleported with prometheus.

Yeah... that sounds.. good? right?.....

mindfire
September 18th, 2005, 04:40 AM
Memo to all SGC personnel:

When dealing with Priors and/or other highly evolve beings with telekinetic abilities do not forget that aiming for the head usually results in a kill; also do not forget the use of grenades and incendiary rounds.


I was thinking the same thing.

LoveYouBaby
September 18th, 2005, 05:34 AM
ok yeah... Prometheus transport - waste a lot of time

Sooo moving on, lol.

This episode was very good, I loved it. The actor that played the Hybrid was awesome, he did a great job portraying an evil dude. The modified Stargate was very clever, it reminded me of the Atlantis Stargate, even though it's not quite.

But I don't understand how the authorization code program worked and how they created it. Anywho... moving on.

Dr Carolyn Lam was such a loving Doc and did anyone love this caring side of her? She was so hot! And for the first time, it looks like the new line-up of cast actually got on.

I love this Hybrid's pure evilness, it was such a change. I loved it.


They want to learn what I am...how I came to be. But you, have you ever taken a life, Doctor Jackson? I believe you have, killed a man.

My memory is so sharp and clear... as if they happened only moments ago. The countless lives my father extinguished, of those that came before him that did the same. *Sigh* Such pleasure it gave them, but I have not experienced it myself yet... does it really feel -- that good?

Millions of slaves bowing before me, a galaxy of desperate pitiful lifeforms at my feet. That's clearly intoxicating, I can almost taste as if it was me there and not those who's memory I possess, oh but nothing ... nothing do I anticipate more than the sweetness I will feel when I kill for the first time, I can hardly wait to watch as FEAR stops a man's heart.

So much more intimate, one-on-one, to watch as the blood flows from his veins and save his ever hope for life. There's only one way to stop it, I know you wish to take my life and I promise you, before this is over, one of us will feel the pleasure.

How sadistically evil is that?! I loved it.

Mitchell has grown up so much over the past few episodes, he's more head-strong, dedicated and suffice to say, this plot was so cleverly set-out. Poor SS that got fried and shot. I really did thought that the hybrid was gonna kill everyone in the base, before he leaves. Also I thought he was gonna manually dial the gate, it would have been so cool but hey, dialing the gate via the computer, sing his mind to type the gate address, well calling up the gate address was very impressive too.

I had to laugh at the perfect shots on the hybrid's body and blood leaking like water via the col water taps, lol. Also we need more of the Stargate dialing shot on the SGC during lost of the main power - looks so awesome!

AGateFan
September 18th, 2005, 05:52 AM
So... mitchel needed Tealc with a crowbar and 5 SGC guys, and jackson...

Um.... Teleported with prometheus.

Yeah... that sounds.. good? right?.....
Well, there are like 500 other people on base besides Teal'c and the 5 guys helping Mitchell. Can we just assume some other SFs with a crowbar had been desperately working on the other door as soon as it closed? Maybe they even started working on the door before Mitchell since most people would have realized the card swipe thing wasn’t going to work after the first try.

Daniel's_twin
September 18th, 2005, 07:35 AM
What a good episode. Khalek had me going at first. Then when he decided to be evil, yeech! He was evil! Then his explanations of the Goa'uld genetic memories, very creepy, especially when he was talking about personally killing someone in that detail. Then toward the end, all I could think was he needed was a blue suit with red cape and the ability to fly and you would have Anti-Superman.

Talk about a change of pace tor Daniel, too. Usually he's the one who's trying to say that everybody deserves a chance and at the very least we should try to see what they think about it (think Kira and Reese). This time, he took what would usually be Jack's position, not taking any chances at all.

I was wondering what happened to Woolsey. Sheesh, last time we saw him he was almost likeable. Then all a sudden, he's back in full swing with the threat ot re-structuring the SGC. Glad though that at least he doesn't have a personal agenda like Kinsey did.

Spectacular ending, too. I really thought that he was going to get back to the planet until he actually stepped in the wormhole. Then I remembered, that DHD has that feature that would send him somewhere else. Then when Khalek died, well, he was right. Daniel was the one to take him out.

Overall, excellent ep. :cool:

yabyumpan
September 18th, 2005, 08:30 AM
Excellent episode. Great writing from new guy Alan McCullough (can we keep him, please) and ditto for Will Waring's direction. They make a great team, I hope they'll be doing more writing/directing together in the future.

Even though I was thoughly spoiled for this ep, I was on the edge of my seat and enthalled throughout the whole thing. Wonderful Science Fiction, loved the shades of grey and discussions of possibilites. It all felt very real and plausable.

Woosley was great, I don't dislike him at all. I thought his agruments were sound (if ultimately wrong). It must be very difficult, no matter how many reports you've read, to truely comprehend the danger and reality on the front line at the SGC. I thoought it was very homourable of him to admit his mistake at the end.

Every other character was great aswell but I've got to give a special mention to Daniel/MS. The change in him when he realised who Khalek was was almost as creepy as Khalek himself. You could just see the fear and anger and hatred rise to the surface. There was a feeling of barely supressed violence in Daniel IMO, like he wanted the chance to finish what he started in "Full Circle". Very well played by MS and an intriguing look at Daniel. As I've said in another thread, I'm loving the Daniel we're seeing this season.

Well done PTB, this is definatly up there in my top ten SG1 eps. Off to watch it again now :D

oragans
September 18th, 2005, 10:41 AM
Peter deluise made this episode with his greatest direction so far - the camera angles and close up made this episode and was fantastic and deserves and a 5/5 for a one off episode.

fani
September 18th, 2005, 10:45 AM
A decent episode. But the end was silly.

Lets get this - Carter reprograms the other side gate ( uh, when and why, ok - why is clear ) but she doesn't tell anyone when Khalek goes through that he's coming back.
I was expecting her to say "Security to the gateroom" so they could damn shoot him when he steps back. But no, she waits till there is a big risk. The other guys could've been tossed around or killed. After the luckily make it, she says -- oops..gate was programmed to dial back.

Its crappy writing/directing like this with obvious hole that breaks it for me.

Overall -- the season began with a big bang but this mid season is ending in a whimper and more and more bizzare for Stargate. Bring back the old magic, please.... and who Ben Browder... he can be completely omitted and people won't notice...

Ugly Pig
September 18th, 2005, 12:44 PM
Had to stop by for this...


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Prototype'

Excellent, excellent, excellent episode. Didn't recognize the name of the writer... Is this his first episode? If so, it is an extremely impressive first outing. This is probably the most suspenseful SG-1 has been in a very long time. It is not often Stargate gives me that edge-of-your-seat, nailbiting feeling where I'm dreading what might happen. It was there for most of this episode.

Oh yeah... And it felt like Stargate SG-1. Most of this season has been all about new faces, new storylines opening up, fresh take, blah blah blah... And while I've enjoyed it, I've had the feeling that maybe the show should have been renamed to 'Stargate [some other title than SG-1]', season 1. But darn it... This was an SG-1 episode.


http://photobucket.com/albums/v413/uglypig/thumbsup.gif

LMichelle
September 18th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Khalek reminded me of Sark with superpowers. If you're not an Alias fan, this won't make sense to you, so just move on. :p

It was surprising at first to see Daniel suggest that they kill Khalek. The moment Khalek talked to Daniel about killing, I knew it'd be Daniel that would ultimately take him out.

Mitchell's still reminding me a lot of Crichton. I wish his character was written better. :(

Note to writers: We can tell Ben and Michael apart. You don't have to put different color uniforms on their characters. We've got it. ;)

Ascend-O-Meter. LOL!

immhotep
September 18th, 2005, 01:41 PM
ok in the GW spoilers they mention a jaffa telling us about anubis's plans to create an army which purpose was to destroy the ascended ancient by destroying them yes.......where was this in the actual show!???

Qasim
September 18th, 2005, 01:46 PM
The spoilers were wrong - or maybe they cut the scene

Ugly Pig
September 18th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Didn't the spoilers say that Anubis was planning any army of these guys? I didn't hear anything about that in the episode, or what the spoilers said Anubis planned to do with them: Destroy the Ascended Ancients.My thoughts exactly. The episode didn't provide any reasoning for Anubis' experiments (thus making the title pretty meaningless) and since he got killed at the end i doubt it will be adressed in the future. Unless they find out that Anubis made more folks like him or something...

Darren
September 18th, 2005, 02:21 PM
The spoilers were taken from a production draft of the script -- they weren't wrong. These scenes were cut from the final episode. (That's why the site says that all plot info is subject to change during the production cycle.)

jimmytheclaw
September 18th, 2005, 02:22 PM
The spoilers were taken from a production draft of the script -- they weren't wrong. These scenes were cut from the final episode. (That's why the site says that all plot info is subject to change during the production cycle.)

wonder if that scene will be on the dvd's when they come out

jckfan55
September 18th, 2005, 02:46 PM
this was a great epidsode, im amazed how good it was
Yes, this episode really has renewed my optimism for season 9--for a while there I was wondering what show I was watching. This new writer is off to a great start! I loved that SG1 was acting as SG1--everyone had a part to play and they were actually *together* quite a bit.

Ugly Pig
September 18th, 2005, 03:39 PM
The spoilers were taken from a production draft of the script -- they weren't wrong. These scenes were cut from the final episode. (That's why the site says that all plot info is subject to change during the production cycle.)Yes, but the fact remains that this is now unexplained on the show... And the title makes no sense when we don't know what Anubis' intentions were... :)
wonder if that scene will be on the dvd's when they come outDon't hold your breath...

Mio
September 18th, 2005, 04:56 PM
Yes, but the fact remains that this is now unexplained on the show... And the title makes no sense when we don't know what Anubis' intentions were...

Probably the only dissapointing part of this Ep.

AGateFan
September 18th, 2005, 04:57 PM
Probably the only dissapointing part of this Ep.
But it leaves it open for a follow up ep later... if they really want to go that route. Anubis could have always had more then one lab.

jree
September 18th, 2005, 05:52 PM
The best episode of the season so far in my personal opinion. It flowed brilliantly. I loved the "new guy" comment, it was like two friends were arguing about something, it was natural. Put Mitchell and Daniel together more often they are fun. They are developing a great rapport. Mitchell's comment when Sam says, paraphrasing, normal people use 5-10% of their brain. Mitchell immediately says me 5%, you 10% to Sam, it's like her smile could light up southern california during a brown out and it wasn't shippy it was a nice complement. I thought that was cool, I don't know why it stood out to me it just did.

The evolution of Daniel Jackson, well the guy is tough and smart enough to learn from the past, Woolsey should listen to the guy next time. Gunfight on the ramp at the end, outstanding. Awsome episode :D

Daniel's_twin
September 18th, 2005, 07:41 PM
But it leaves it open for a follow up ep later... if they really want to go that route. Anubis could have always had more then one lab.

Call me naive, but I will be holding my breath, for hope's sake.


And please don't tell me that hope has forsaken these lands. This is not Rohan. :cool:

tsaxlady
September 18th, 2005, 08:39 PM
Like so many others have already said - this is my favorite episode of the season so far. It was nice to finally have an episode that the whole team played a part. Team epsiodes have been some of my favorite episodes in the past. The new guys are finally feeling comfortable to the show. This is the first time I've liked Lam. Looking forward to seeing the next story Alan writes. Fresh blood in the writing pool can be a good thing.

Redwall
September 18th, 2005, 08:44 PM
Given the events of Fourth Horseman, I find it interesting that everyone seems to agree Woolsey was wrong.

Quinn Mallory
September 18th, 2005, 08:46 PM
Great episode. I think this is what Lockdown from early last season (season 8) was supposed to be in terms of the chasing scenes inside SGC. This episode also raised some interesting questions about ascension and the Priors. Are the Priors' evolution accelerated by the Ori to give them those powers?

Congerking
September 18th, 2005, 09:01 PM
Are the Priors' evolution accelerated by the Ori to give them those powers?

Yes, I believe the Priors' evolution is accelerated by the Ori. The Ori are ascended beings, so they wouldn't need a machine to do it; they would probably just zap your brain and tell you how to use your staff.

But MY questions is, why doesn't daniel or someone else go into the machine and get themselves evolved up a bit. I know that Khalek was grown in the lab and was not a normal human to begin with (created with the machine), but shouldn't the SGC try to use it???

Samuel J. Tilden
September 19th, 2005, 12:43 AM
Khalek reminded me of Sark with superpowers.
The only Sark I know of carries a frisbee.

While I don't think Stargate should be above the occasional "Dick" joke, I don't think a Gou'ald, Anubis or otherwise, would resort to such an Earth-centric innuendo. The only logical explanation I can come up with is that Khalek read Woolsey's mind, discovered that the name Dick irked him and decided to enact a bit of psychlogical warfare. Still, it sounds like something more suited for Jack rather than the alien baddie of the week.

AGateFan
September 19th, 2005, 02:07 AM
The only Sark I know of carries a frisbee.

While I don't think Stargate should be above the occasional "Dick" joke, I don't think a Gou'ald, Anubis or otherwise, would resort to such an Earth-centric innuendo. The only logical explanation I can come up with is that Khalek read Woolsey's mind, discovered that the name Dick irked him and decided to enact a bit of psychlogical warfare. Still, it sounds like something more suited for Jack rather than the alien baddie of the week.
I thought the exact same thing. How would the goa'uld know what that particular slang meant? But then I came up with the same solution you did. He read Woolseys mind and found he hated that name and why and so started using it just to annoy Woolsey.

KatG
September 19th, 2005, 05:38 AM
A decent episode. But the end was silly.

Lets get this - Carter reprograms the other side gate ( uh, when and why, ok - why is clear ) but she doesn't tell anyone when Khalek goes through that he's coming back.
I was expecting her to say "Security to the gateroom" so they could damn shoot him when he steps back. But no, she waits till there is a big risk. The other guys could've been tossed around or killed. After the luckily make it, she says -- oops..gate was programmed to dial back.

Its crappy writing/directing like this with obvious hole that breaks it for me.

Overall -- the season began with a big bang but this mid season is ending in a whimper and more and more bizzare for Stargate. Bring back the old magic, please.... and who Ben Browder... he can be completely omitted and people won't notice...


When Daniel/Teal'c/Carter are on Kalek's planet testing the ascendometer, before they go back to the SGC to tell Landry what they found, Daniel says to Carter "I think you should do something first." I'm pretty sure that's when they decided to set up the "call forward" program. (I didn't catch it the first time watching either, only the second time through) So Daniel and Teal'c knew what was going on, hence why Daniel entered the gateroom and shot Kalek. The fact that they didn't have a chance to tell Mitchell or Landry worked to their advantage. Otherwise Kalek would have "overheard" them telling Landry, and could possibly have "read" the fact that Daniel was coming up on the other side from Mitchell, thus negating him being taken by surprise.

As to the episode itself, I thought it was really well done. One of the best eps I've seen this season. Nice team intereaction, all the characters worked together doing what they do best. Landry was definitely in charge and Lam seemed to warm up a bit and seem to fit better with the rest of the group. I was quite happy with the results.

Callie
September 19th, 2005, 09:12 AM
Loved this episode. A couple of minor glitches at the end: when Daniel and Cam had finished blasting the heck out of Khalek, I would have expected Daniel in particular to make very VERY sure that he was completely dead. If he'd only been mostly dead, he could have ascended. So I was kind of bothered by the two of them just looking down at him and then wandering away.

Also, in view of the fact that Khalek could read Dick's mind, I would have expected Sam to have stayed away - certainly out of his line of sight - rather than sitting down in the Control Room and staring at him, cos if he'd worked out what she'd done to the dialling programme, he might have worked out another way to escape.

But those minor gripes aside, this was SG-1 at its best.

Daniel's_twin
September 19th, 2005, 09:47 AM
Forgive me for blasting one of your gripes, but they said that it would require 90% brain functioning in order to willingly ascend of your own accord, and he was only at 80%, and I doubt the others would help him.

Ugly Pig
September 19th, 2005, 10:30 AM
Actually, they said he'd need another dose of "the machine" in order to evolve to the point where he could ascend on his own. So there's no way he could ascend.

sgatelvr
September 19th, 2005, 11:52 AM
Like so many others have already said - this is my favorite episode of the season so far. It was nice to finally have an episode that the whole team played a part. Team epsiodes have been some of my favorite episodes in the past. The new guys are finally feeling comfortable to the show. This is the first time I've liked Lam. Looking forward to seeing the next story Alan writes. Fresh blood in the writing pool can be a good thing.
I haven't liked Lam so far this season, but I have to say, her expression (and trying not to laugh) with Kalek's reference to "Dick" was priceless! :p

LiquidBlue
September 19th, 2005, 12:25 PM
Doesn't earth now have the technology to prevent the Ori/Priors from using the MW Gate network to entire the Galaxy.

Each DHD simply needs to be modified in much the same manner as Anubis's was. One might even have the MW DHD's automaticly authenticate themselves to each other. Whenever they try to to send unathenticated objects from another Galaxy, they are either sent some place nasty, or deleted altogether.

Of course, this is a much more practical solution is these changes could be propogated using an avenger-like program, but even if each DHD would require a new control circuit imagine it could still be useful. You don't want priors visting, you install a new chip. They won't be back until they come in ships. A much more portable solution than trying to install iris's all over the galaxy.

--A side effect could be the "balkanization" the gate network.

entil2001
September 19th, 2005, 12:29 PM
I was never particularly taken with Anubis as a villain, largely because he was very impersonal opponent. Apophis was right there, flaws and all, and Ba’al has a distinct personality that is enjoyable to watch. Anubis was more of a concept than a presence, and that detracted from his power as a force of despairing evil. Note how the Ori are all the more disturbing because of the Priors and their personal involvement in the subjugation of worlds.

This episode revisited Anubis as a concept and gave him a personal focus, and for that, I enjoyed it far more than I thought I would. This was actually an interesting commentary and expansion on the concepts of “ascension”, which is something that the series needs to address. The treatment of “ascension” has been far too vague and indistinct over the past several seasons, but now that the Ori are around, that concept needs definition.

What this proto-Anubis represents is not unlike a proto-Ori, as the characters openly mention. (Indeed, much of the episode is spent considering how such a being presents the perfect lab rat, objectively speaking.) In this particular instance, this proto-Anubis also had the “benefit” of the genetic memory of a Goa’uld.

Khalek is a particularly good adversary because he gets to build on the relationship between Daniel and Anubis with relatively little difficulty, and since he gets to speak with Daniel a bit more freely (without the cowl), it gets wonderfully tense. We also get to see Daniel in his archetypical role as scholar of all things Ancient, which reminds the audience of where his strengths lie.

A lot of time is spent with the SGC personnel believing they are in control, when Khalek is really toying with them, waiting for the moment when he can determine the response most aligned with his self-interest. It’s a good thing that Daniel and the others took so long to identify the source of his limitations, because if it had been a bit earlier in the story, Khalek would have caught them completely off guard. (As it is, I think that little trick at the end was a little suspicious.)

One interesting aspect of the episode is the prominence of the International Committee, in terms of their leverage and clout. Woolsey is a particularly annoying bureaucrat, and he gets a good look at why the word “threat” has a different scale in the SGC. The whole question of funding the SGC and thereby controlling its activities finally comes back into play here, and quite a few casualties can be laid at the feet of such interlopers.

In many scenes, this felt like the old “SG-1”, especially since Mitchell is mostly in the background, making a few snide comments and playing the heavy when necessary. Much of the episode is spent with the characters in their typical roles. Even Dr. Lam plays a capable enough stand-in for Fraser this time around. While this isn’t the most exciting or stirring episode of the season, it does add a few connections between the old and new aspects of the mythology, and in this case, that’s a good thing.

Mattathias2.0
September 19th, 2005, 01:10 PM
Errr... acting like a Goa'uld involves what, going bad guy a la William Shatner? I've never seen any Goa'uld portrayal that required anything other than over the top BAD acting.


Don't give the writers any further encouragment. We need them to just say no to rehashed enemies. I'm not opposed to the idea of a Mattathias2.0, but Anubis version 24.2 is out!

Most Goa'uld were Over The Top, but I was happy Khalek never once said "Bow before your God." The Goa'uld-Human hybrids aren't as overdramatic in my opinion.

I think Ba'al is enough as an opponent right now as far as the Goa'ulds go. Tho I do wonder what other System Lords survived. Morrigan? Amaterasu?

AGateFan
September 19th, 2005, 01:44 PM
Doesn't earth now have the technology to prevent the Ori/Priors from using the MW Gate network to entire the Galaxy.

Each DHD simply needs to be modified in much the same manner as Anubis's was. One might even have the MW DHD's automaticly authenticate themselves to each other. Whenever they try to to send unathenticated objects from another Galaxy, they are either sent some place nasty, or deleted altogether.

Of course, this is a much more practical solution is these changes could be propogated using an avenger-like program, but even if each DHD would require a new control circuit imagine it could still be useful. You don't want priors visting, you install a new chip. They won't be back until they come in ships. A much more portable solution than trying to install iris's all over the galaxy.

--A side effect could be the "balkanization" the gate network.
Well its obviously not that hard to bypass. I mean Carters smart but shes still just human and she figured out a work around pretty quick.. I'm sure the ori would have little problem doing the same.

LiquidBlue
September 19th, 2005, 04:55 PM
Well its obviously not that hard to bypass. I mean Carters smart but shes still just human and she figured out a work around pretty quick.. I'm sure the ori would have little problem doing the same.

Carter was able to get around Anubis's choice of authentication. Another choice of authentication, one that recognizes that the authentication scheme will come under attack may be more robust.

On the other hand, it may be decided that the risk of visitors and invasions from other galaxies outway the benefits of the gate network entirely. In that case the best action would be to disable all of the MW galaxy gates and destroy the Priors that are already here.

YodaMate
September 19th, 2005, 07:01 PM
Sorry if this has been addressed before, but i checked the GateWorld entry for Prototype and it's spoilers include an interesting bit ; that Khalek's purpose was to ascend and, with an army of those like him, take on the other Ascended !

This seems like a huge revelation and makes a whole lot of sense, but i can't recall it ever been mentioned in the episode itself.

Come to think of it, GW's reports about Jack in HomeWorld Security haven't been confirmed on the show itself (which has been strangely silent as to exactly what has happened to Jack).

Daniel's_twin
September 20th, 2005, 08:20 AM
Yes, we've already talked about it, no, they didn't say it in the ep itself. :cool:

ChillinTheMost
September 20th, 2005, 10:04 AM
Just wanted to chime in with the general excitement for this episode. I love the team working together.

Some favorite parts:

"HEY, NEW GUY!" was great. That and the resultant little 'argument' really made Mitchell and Daniel seem like brothers. It was great.

Daniel: "I thought it was always our fault."

Mitchell: "Intersteller call forwarding..."

Sam: "...A normal human brain, you or I, say, should show roughly 5 to 10% coverage."
Mitchell: "Me being 5, you being 10.
--and then Sam's indulgent smile - gorgeous.

Sam: "The Ascendometer says..."
Teal'c: "Ascendometer?"
Sam: "Mitchell. Wish I'd thought of it."
---The name is kind of cute, but the best part was the reactions. I can't remember if Teal'c rolled his eyes or just looked like he wanted to and Sam was a bit sheepish in wishing she had thought of it. Too cute on both of their parts.

And, of course, the whole scene where Mitchell's bullets are stopped, but the diversion allows Daniel's bullet to get to Khalek undetected, and unstopped. And then they just keep shooting him. Nicely done.

Mclogan
September 20th, 2005, 10:44 AM
Just before Daniel said; "Hey, new guy". Did anyone notice that he steps in the DNA machine? That might have some follow up. Would that have change daniel's DNA?

unowhoandwhy
September 20th, 2005, 10:57 AM
First off, this was my fave ep of the season, I really enjoyed it. It had all the things I like to see in a show... but, I will spare you my ramblings and just say that I basically agree with what everyone else who liked the ep has said... :D




Otherwise, Mitchell fit right in with the team this episode, kicking ass at the end, shooting Khalek (I lost count of how many times), and acting a tad bit more than a leader.


I was trying to keep count (I HATE those perpetual magazines that guns on TV seem to have, with what appears to be an unlimited supply of bullets) and it was either 30 or 32 times. Which means that, if this were real life, they would have put fresh 15-round magazines into their pistols just before each entered the Gate room (did NO ONE have a spare P-90?!?! gimme a break!!! - but, that is really my only beef, so I will go back to my happy place again... ;) ). The 32 would have come from having a round in the chamber when they put in a fresh magazine... but I am almost positive it was just 30 shots.

I don't WANNA wait till January for new eps!!! :(

Crichton
September 20th, 2005, 11:19 AM
Most dissappointing moment;

(Carter walks up right at the beginning, talking to Landry)
"We've just received word from the Tokkra [...]"

(Landry replies)
"Good Morning too you too."

...ouch. The first word from the Tokkra since the fall of the Gould and you're just sipping your coffee and not getting down to buisness. Even though I'm nitpicking about this though, I'll admit that it was one of Landry's best episodes and one of the best overall for season 9.

ChillinTheMost
September 20th, 2005, 11:35 AM
Most dissappointing moment;

(Carter walks up right at the beginning, talking to Landry)
"We've just received word from the Tokkra [...]"

(Landry replies)
"Good Morning too you too."

...ouch. The first word from the Tokkra since the fall of the Gould and you're just sipping your coffee and not getting down to buisness. Even though I'm nitpicking about this though, I'll admit that it was one of Landry's best episodes and one of the best overall for season 9.

I didn't like that either, but maybe it's because I get the same thing sometimes at my job. I can't remember, or maybe I just don't care, who I said good morning to and if I go up to someone and I haven't said it in the 3 hours I've already been there, get over it, I've got work to do. Sure, pleasantries are nice, but if the person is addressing you about work, at work, it's even ruder to interrupt and basically call them on what you think their manners should have been. Makes me want to respond, "Oh, sorry, I thought you were ready to work. Let me know when you're finished with trivialities."

PrimalAscended
September 20th, 2005, 11:52 AM
Just seen the episode and all have to say is BRAVO!!! This is what I've been missing in Stargate for a while, even though the rest of the season has been good (except "Babylon", what a load of manure!!!).......a really sinister villain, crunchy goodness on how to ascend, and even the odd comedy quip!! Well done TPTB this was an excellent ep. :D

Even so.......niggles still pop up in my brain.......namely the "gate forwarding" business. Surely this wouldn't work? We know from "48 Hours" that establishing a new wormhole wipes the gate's memory buffers (hence the whole point of the episode) so how come this gate doesn't follow known gate operations? And "Anubis tinkered with it" won't cut it for me :eek:

Anyway, now I've picked that nit, I just want to say again GREAT EPISODE......keep it up TPTB. :D

LiquidBlue
September 20th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Even so.......niggles still pop up in my brain.......namely the "gate forwarding" business. Surely this wouldn't work? We know from "48 Hours" that establishing a new wormhole wipes the gate's memory buffers (hence the whole point of the episode) so how come this gate doesn't follow known gate operations? And "Anubis tinkered with it" won't cut it for me :eek:

Anyway, now I've picked that nit, I just want to say again GREAT EPISODE......keep it up TPTB. :D

"48 hours" established that the whoosh of an establishing wormhole would erase the buffer. However, we have seen all the way back in Season 1's "Enigma" that it is possible to establish a wormhole without the whoosh. Carter gave McKay this explanation as a basis for her hope that Teal'c could be recovered.

starfox
September 21st, 2005, 02:49 PM
Okay, I haven't read many of the other reactions to this ep because I don't want to ruin the pure fan-girlish glee I'm feeling right now.

I loved Daniel in this ep. I adored Daniel in this ep. He kicks butt in so many ways. He's always been my favorite SG-1 character, and I thought it was impossible for me to love him any more but I do right now, and it's because of this ep, with the way he was written and the way Shanks played him.
First, you have Daniel being ready to pull the plug on Khalek right off the bat, which is great because it's so anti-Daniel. The fact that it's the first thing he suggests, and that he's the one that suggests it shows both how dangerous the situation is and how much he's changed. It's also the most compelling reason to kill Khalek, in my opinion. I mean, Daniel's been pretty much the hippie of the SGC since the beginning, having him be the one to say, "look, maybe we oughta just kill the guy, or at least pop him back in the freezer" brings home the danger, even if, or perhaps especially if, you take into account his personal history with Anubis (Abydos, anyone?).

Then there's the "hey, new guy" which I'm sure has been mentioned a thousand times already. It was a very nice move by the writers, though. Props for that.

Daniel's bored expression during Khalek's *ahem* enthusiastic rhapsody about killing (seriously, did the tone of his voice give anyone else dirty thoughts?). I was expecting Daniel to do a "can you get on with it, already?" or something like that. He's just so not swayed, and it rocks.

And then there was the general bad-a**itude of killing Khalek. I loved the way the camera panned from Mitchell to Daniel, and Danny's complete non-expression was awesome. And maybe it's because I just have a thing for men with guns advancing on their targets (Sheppard shooting Bob is my all-time favorite action scene from Atlantis), but Mitchell and Daniel shooting the bejeezus out of Khalek was just a really great scene. "We shall shoot you, and then shoot you some more, because there's no way in hell you're getting out of this alive." Loved it.

The scene with Daniel and Woolsey.
Woolsey: "It almost sounds like you might forgive me."
Daniel: "No."
OMG Yes!!! Character moment, right there! Daniel circa seasons 1-5, maybe even 1-7, would have forgiven Woolsey for that. Not the Daniel of season 9, who has lost too much and is standing at the forefront of a battle he's not sure he can win. He can't afford to be Mr. Nice Guy anymore, there's not time for people to screw up. Especially when it was so blatantly obvious (see my hippie mention in the third paragraph) that Daniel was right.

Okay, great moments not relating to Daniel.

Khalek's "or can I call you Dick?" He was definitely taking some slang and emotions towards Woolsey when he was reading people's minds. My initial reaction was, c'mon, how does mutant-boy know the slang. Fast on the heels of that was, but it's funny.

Mitchell's "me being 5, you being 10" to Sam, and her smile. Yay for that. We saw that Mitchell and Sam do have a friendship, and that Mitchell does recognize that Sam kicks his butt with her brainwaves.

Ascend-o-meter. Yes.

And back to Daniel. The "what's-going-on" snark at the beginning of the episode. It feels like he's beginning to take on a bit of Jack's role in this respect, only without playing dumb about it. He's reminding Sam (and Walter), okay, let the rest of us in on the secret. It shows how Jack has rubbed off on him.

And now to read everyone else's posts, and possibly respond.
laters!

Metarock Sam
September 21st, 2005, 03:44 PM
This episode was alot better than I thought it would be since seeing season 8s lockdown I was getting worried we would have to go through that again. The Storyline played through and was great especially when Kalek was calling Woolsey Dick all the time. That was hilarious.

Ugly Pig
September 22nd, 2005, 10:18 AM
Tho I do wonder what other System Lords survived. Morrigan? Amaterasu?Wasn't Amaterasu among the System Lords that RepliCarter killed?

mindfire
September 22nd, 2005, 01:51 PM
Wasn't Amaterasu among the System Lords that RepliCarter killed?


Yeah I think so, I also think Ba'al is the only system lord left. Or the only one we know about.

Crichton
September 22nd, 2005, 04:26 PM
Tetsuuuooooo!!!

eve11
September 22nd, 2005, 07:55 PM
Kanedaaaaaaa!

jash
September 22nd, 2005, 09:03 PM
I thought it would have been better if the Prototype/Anubis got away. Or even shed his Anubis-ness and help fight the Ori. Maybe there are other Prototypes in stasis somewhere and they will be awaken or something. What are everyone elses thoughts.

Den Sethos
September 23rd, 2005, 01:35 AM
Well... Kalek had Anubis' memories, feelings and inclinations... I do not see Anubis stepping from his throne and giving Daniel a hug because he convinced him not to destroy Abydos... Totally out of character... In fact, Kalek is not exactly Anubis' son... He is Anubis. And Mister Half-Goa'uld-Half-Ancient-Twice-the-Trouble would not have been flailed from his megalomaniacal dreams...

But I would have liked to see him hack his way through Ori's ranks...

lily
September 23rd, 2005, 11:34 AM
I haven't read the posts in this thread yet, so I won't be making any comments on them.

This is what I typed after watching the episode once:

- I loved the "New guy" scene. LOL

- For a moment I thought that Khalek really believed what he was saying and that he had no idea he was a genetic hybrid. That scene were he suddenly changed and shown his true self was very powerful. Well, not only that scene. His acting was great through out the episode.

- All the characters were great in this epi. Not only SG-1, but also others as well, like Landry, Lam and Woolsey.

- Daniel understood the risks Khalek implied better than anybody else. All the past experiences starting with the first trip through the gate make what he is now, and I don't think it would be credible if he still was the naive guy from the beginning. He lived through a lot since then and know what the bad guys are capable of, so he understood the threat. On the other hand, Woolsey is a burocrat who's only seen danger in reports, only words. As we saw in season 7, he tries to do what he believes it's correct. But since he was never in any real dangerous situation, he was still naive, he believed once proper precautions had been taken, it was everything under control. And he realized his mistake the hard way. I liked the final scene a lot.

- I loved the background music, especially when they were all trying to catch Khalek before he reached the gateroom.

- And all those people hitting walls... including Cameron... We got a bit of whumping, yeah :) I thought it was especially cool the scene were Teal'c flew back, getting smacked. It looked cool.

- Khalek calling Woolsey Dick. LOL

- "Ascendometer"? LOL

- I really thought Khalek was going to escape (and get back to do bad things in the future... well, it's sci fi, so who knows). Nice touch about Sam rigging the call forwarding device. I guess I should've seen it coming, but I didn't. LOL

In short, an excellent episode. IMHO.

MasySyma
September 23rd, 2005, 08:13 PM
An amazing episode. The character interaction was fanstastic, particularly between Daniel and Woolsey.

The new guy crack was hilarious, and the villain was wonderful.

I was almost sorry he lost. I wanted to see more of him. :D

the fifth man
September 23rd, 2005, 08:37 PM
Definitely hope more eps this season are as intense as this one was. If so, there should be a lot of smiling faces on GateWorld. Of course, I'm already smiling. And highly doubt I will stop.

MasySyma
September 23rd, 2005, 08:39 PM
Definitely hope more eps this season are as intense as this one was. If so, there should be a lot of smiling faces on GateWorld. Of course, I'm already smiling. And highly doubt I will stop.

Careful. If you smile too much, people will think you are on that Wraith enzyme from Atlantis. :D

Prototype showed me that the already good Season 9 will only get better.

Standback
September 25th, 2005, 06:51 AM
Very nice episode. My one thought, flickering through my mind half the episode, worth sharing:

He MUST be Anubis's clone - he's got the same grossly exaggerated melodramatic taunting disorder!

Fargater
October 6th, 2005, 11:34 PM
Gah! I don`t have time to read the whole thread now, but have to say I agree with a lot of things and disagree with others.

First being I did NOT like the whole "New Guy!" thing and that Cam would be stupid enough to push the button. I can guess why the writer put it in there but I wish they`d thought of a better/more plausible scenario for using that line. And I don`t think Jack would have pushed it either.

Also, and so far no one else has brought this up that I know of, umm, why did it only take pushing one button to release the guy? There was a whole panel of buttons, everything else always has a sequence you have to push, often with much drama and suspense if finding the right sequence is a matter of life or death, so it shouldn`t have opened so easily.

Loved pretty much everything else about the ep. Gotta read the rest later.

Dani347
October 9th, 2005, 05:18 PM
Okay, I'm waaay late to the party. I'm so late, they've already started planning an anniversary party for the party. But, long story, I haven't been able to see the episodes until recently.

Anyway, I just want to address the issue of Daniel advocating killing Khalek. I didn't find it out of character at all. At most, it was only surprising that he was the first one to make the suggestion. Okay, first of all, as far as I know, Daniel has never had any mercy or sympathy for the Gou'ald. Not even in the first season, at his most "naive" Bloodlines, Daniel, in full charge of all his faculties and without any alien influence, calmly shot a tank full of infant Gou'ald. Anubis was Daniel's primary nemesis, after Apophis. Khalek was Anubis. The only way Daniel would have argied against killing him was if there was a host to protect. Or, he'd argue for killing the symbiote (even in the first season) and saving the host. But, there was no host. Khalek was Anubis through and through.

Now, like I said, it was surprising that he was the first one to suggest that, hey, wouldn't it be better to kill the guy. Or, not surprising, just something that makes you take notice. This, to me, doesn't mean Daniel is any different than the natural evolution of 8 years would bring, but that it means just how much of an enemy he considers Anubis. Again, I think it was a mistake never to mention Abydos again, because it would drive home why Daniel spoke up first, instead of merely agreeing with one of the others that Khalek should be killed. I also think there should have been more of a reaction from Teal'c and Sam, since they've known Daniel the longest. They're facial expressions were mainly, "hmm, he makes a good point." I think there should have been surprise to hear the words come out of his mouth. Mostly, because he's the first one to suggest it. It would also have made his saying that he didn't make the suggestion likely make more sense. To me, that would have fit better as a response to some protest or some indication that something was out of the ordinary.

I do think that besides the fact that I think it makes perfect sense for him to do what he did (aside from Abydos, there was Anubis trying to destroy everything at the end of season 8) I also think they showed it wasn't Daniel just becoming hardcore. Because it bothered Daniel to take the position that he did. His expression when Landry said, "I hear you, Dr. Jackson," said a lot to me. And, then at the end of the episode, he told Woolsey that he wished he hadn't been right that killing Khalek was the right option. If there had been another choice, I think Daniel would gladly have taken it. But, there was none. And, I think seeing what Daniel has personally been through with Anubis, it would be completely out of character for Daniel not to realize this.

Just my incredibly late two cents.

rnwhocares
October 30th, 2005, 12:43 PM
I just got to see this show and it was FANTASTIC!! When I watched it a second time I notice that Carter once again took the credit of the Stargate dailing back on itself, AND IT WAS DANIELS IDEA!!! I can't stand that.

timdalton007
November 1st, 2005, 09:04 AM
Top notch episode! This is one of the most suspenseful episodes I've seen in a while. The plot is wel thought thought and gives plenty of room for character expansion and plot development. Let's no forget Neil Jackson who plays Khalek! Too bad they killed him off! He would have made a great enemy in the long run!

timdalton007

AGateFan
November 9th, 2005, 03:24 PM
Top notch episode! This is one of the most suspenseful episodes I've seen in a while. The plot is wel thought thought and gives plenty of room for character expansion and plot development. Let's no forget Neil Jackson who plays Khalek! Too bad they killed him off! He would have made a great enemy in the long run!

timdalton007
Well he’s a clone.... so was he killed off? Maybe Anubis diversified his ascension.

macktheknife
November 19th, 2005, 07:17 AM
This ep is one of the best. I've watched it over maybe half a dozen times, and it's still as good as the first..

GatetheWay
November 19th, 2005, 07:59 AM
I totally agree with you, it is by far the best of Season 9.

the fifth man
November 20th, 2005, 03:10 PM
I totally agree with you, it is by far the best of Season 9.

If there are more eps of this quality this season and next, we may have SG-1 around for a very long time. Which is a very good thing.:)

Serebii
December 6th, 2005, 01:02 PM
Holy Crap...Wow, I cannot articulate enough synomyns to state how awesome this episode was

Great acting all round, good to see how much Daniel has grown over the 9 years.
Nice to see the cut Cam got in Babylon still on his face though...I like little things like that
It actually felt like SG1 again...don't get me wrong, I love Season 9 but it didnt have the same vibe SG1 gave me in Seasons 1 through 8...this brought it back

Here's hoping SG1 continues to be this damn awesome

The Signal
December 6th, 2005, 01:38 PM
Got to agree wiv Serebii, pure SG1 once again for the second time this season I have been amazed at the brilliance of an episode. The side of Daniel we saw has been there the whole time, looks like a little of Jacks personality rubbed off on him. Khalek was damn sinister as hell, a really great villain who it was a shame to see dye after 1 episode, but still a fantastic ep, especially the closing scenes with Woolsey and Dan

As a rating 9/9 chevrons, perfect!!!!!!

mentalmichael
December 6th, 2005, 01:45 PM
Gah! I don`t have time to read the whole thread now, but have to say I agree with a lot of things and disagree with others.

First being I did NOT like the whole "New Guy!" thing and that Cam would be stupid enough to push the button. I can guess why the writer put it in there but I wish they`d thought of a better/more plausible scenario for using that line. And I don`t think Jack would have pushed it either.

Also, and so far no one else has brought this up that I know of, umm, why did it only take pushing one button to release the guy? There was a whole panel of buttons, everything else always has a sequence you have to push, often with much drama and suspense if finding the right sequence is a matter of life or death, so it shouldn`t have opened so easily.

Loved pretty much everything else about the ep. Gotta read the rest later.
I actually thought the new guy thing was quite funny. However, most important thing - Khalek was British!!! which means Anubis must have been British!!!!!!!

All glory to the British!!

jazz!
December 6th, 2005, 02:29 PM
is it me or did the action scenes look different ( bear with me )...

eg: when they are searching the base for mini-anubis the picture/cinematography/position of camera/ AND or lighting just looked odd!

ok apart from that -> great ep!!!! 2wks and then we get 4thH'man.Prt2

Madeleine
December 6th, 2005, 09:25 PM
The Anubis guy was incredibly believable as Evil. He was the best thing in the ep - and that's high praise cos all of the regular and recurring characters in the ep were on excellent form.

Best line: "I thought it was [i]always [/]our fault"

Albion
December 6th, 2005, 09:59 PM
This was probably the closest we've got to team and the feel of the real SG1 this season, for me. It was certainly less boring than the last few episodes.

All the same, there were too many elements of same old, same old for me to put this in my A class eps. The old 'desk jockeys ignore the experts (SG1/SGC) advice on the danger and think they know best, only to end up with egg on their face plot. The danger that turns out to be worse than we thought and that our precautions can't contain (Menace). The solution at the end was the same one Carter used to get rid of Anubis in Lockdown. And so on. So nothing original or fresh there.

There were some nice moments, though. I really like the whole 'Pirates of the Carribean' moment where Evil Guy thinks he's not been shot by Mitchell, then the blood starts and we realise he was shot by Daniel while distracted by Mitchell. And the walk up the ramp was well done, too.

We got to see some good Sam action <nostalgic sigh> - could do with plenty more of that. And some team - could do with lots more of that. And Lam was actually also on message this week and not bickering with Daddy instead of doing her job professionally, so she didn't even grate on me at all. Except for when she told Evil Guy that once he was better they'd see what they could do to get him home. Since when is that her call? Overstepping her mark slightly, wasn't she? That small lapse aside, I found her okay.

Even Landry was pretty watchable.

So, one of this season's best, I think. Which in a poor season so far isn't saying much. In any previous season, I think I'd have put it at the bottom of the heap. But in S9....it actually didn't bore me before the end, so it counts as a good one.

BTW, that guy was British? I thought that accent was Australian! :p

Albion :)

macktheknife
December 6th, 2005, 10:15 PM
Except for when she told Evil Guy that once he was better they'd see what they could do to get him home. Since when is that her call? Overstepping her mark slightly, wasn't she? That small lapse aside, I found her okay.

BTW, that guy was British? I thought that accent was Australian! :p


Nope, not australian.

I thought she was just "helping" him recovery and heal and tell him everything will be all right type stuff.

GatetheWay
December 6th, 2005, 11:00 PM
This was probably the closest we've got to team and the feel of the real SG1 this season, for me. It was certainly less boring than the last few episodes.

All the same, there were too many elements of same old, same old for me to put this in my A class eps. The old 'desk jockeys ignore the experts (SG1/SGC) advice on the danger and think they know best, only to end up with egg on their face plot. The danger that turns out to be worse than we thought and that our precautions can't contain (Menace). The solution at the end was the same one Carter used to get rid of Anubis in Lockdown. And so on. So nothing original or fresh there.

What I thought was interesting was that really Woosley was right in thinking of studying Anubis jr. Sure you don't know if its of any use in the episode but in the Fourth Horse Man it turns out that Carter way able to invent possible way to make a Prior lose his powers. So in the log run Woolsey was right along about the potetial of studying Kalic.

Chaka's_Mum
December 6th, 2005, 11:26 PM
Woo! Amazing ep - really intense!

I personally loved the 'New guy!' line. It's not the first time Cam's caused problems by not reading the instructions first, though - remember the Avalon cliffhanger?;) You would have thought he'd have learned by now!

Scary to see 'Son-of-Anubis'. That ultimate personification of naughtiness really doesn't want to go away, does he? Even though he's occupied elsewhere in a higher plane of existence, he still manages to turn up like a bad penny - albeit in junior form.:eek:

Yay! Woolsey popped in for a visit! An officious little prig as always - but we love him anyway.:D

Stricken
December 7th, 2005, 01:33 AM
Absolutly loved this episode, its what SG-1 is all about, the interaction between the team gets better and better each week. Khalek was well the scary side of Anubis that we never go to see as we never really saw Anubis' face until S8. The "new guy" line was a typical Stargate line which when you think the writers can't come up with anymore they do and they are great lines. The Daniel part at the end was a dark moment for the character which was helped by the way it was shot. At last Daniel had something to do other than read ancient text!

Prototype recieves a S.G.C rating of 9 out of 9 Chevrons!
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P-90_177
December 7th, 2005, 05:36 AM
One of the best episodes so far!!! Khalak was great, in fact it was a shame to kill him off, but I also loved Daniel and Mitchell laying their 9mm clips into him. Daniels line to Mitchell was very funny and it was cool to see Danny sort of come to terms with Anubis from Full Circle. All and all this was one of the best eps so far and possibly one of the best eps of all of Stargate. Can't wait to see more!!!

bcfc
December 7th, 2005, 07:34 AM
One of the best episodes of Series 9 so far. I agree with other posts about it feeling like SG-1 again, plus its good to see Robert Picardo playing Woosley again and seeing landry's feelings towards him.

I loved the enemy and the acting was top notch.

More of the same.

Cant believe were on our Tenth episode next week.


:) :D :) :D

RonTheAncient
December 16th, 2005, 02:21 AM
do you guys think we can use the genetic manipulator to help the Asgard with there cloning problem?

Ascended Times.2
December 18th, 2005, 10:24 PM
do you guys think we can use the genetic manipulator to help the Asgard with there cloning problem?

Logically, yes,
Plot wise, no.

macktheknife
December 20th, 2005, 08:03 AM
I just watched this again, and realised this for the first time, this may have been done already, but meh:

When khalek comes back in, and mitchell shoots his gun, you can hear daniel shooting his once.

This episode is still awesome, even on wahtever time i've seen it (at least 4 all the way through, and lots more of almost all the way).

Trek_Girl42
January 12th, 2006, 10:36 PM
This episode was outstanding, gets all the stars in the sky. Loved (well, was frustrated with) Woolsey- Picardo is brilliant.

SeaBee
February 15th, 2006, 05:30 PM
That's better.

Now all the writers have to do is remember how they felt when they were writing this script, and we may have SG! back.

Merrin_Delaney
March 19th, 2006, 11:58 PM
I thought this ep was a bit.. meh. That might be due to the fact that I don't like Anubis and really wish tptb would stop bringing him back in one form or another.

By the way, Khalek gave me major Star Wars flashbacks with his 'first kill, blood, mayhem, give in to your hate and shoot me' -speech. It was the Emperor and Luke all over again.

SilverRider
August 22nd, 2006, 02:39 AM
I kinda liked it. :)

But did anyone notice that Danny was semi-smiling when the Anubis kid talking to him the first time??? You could just see it, he was covering it up. :lol:

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 25th, 2006, 05:48 AM
This ep was great - I just thought that instead of Daniel getting the shot in the end. Kailek should've come through the gate and got shot by all of the SGC lined up prepared for his return.

He was so cool, I knew old Anubis had a back up plan!

phaeton
August 25th, 2006, 04:11 PM
One of the best episodes so far!!! Khalak was great, in fact it was a shame to kill him off, but I also loved Daniel and Mitchell laying their 9mm clips into him. Daniels line to Mitchell was very funny and it was cool to see Danny sort of come to terms with Anubis from Full Circle. All and all this was one of the best eps so far and possibly one of the best eps of all of Stargate. Can't wait to see more!!!



One of the best episodes of Series 9 so far. I agree with other posts about it feeling like SG-1 again, plus its good to see Robert Picardo playing Woosley again and seeing landry's feelings towards him.

I loved the enemy and the acting was top notch.

More of the same.

Cant believe were on our Tenth episode next week.


:) :D :) :D http://forum.gateworld.net/images/gw_icons/icon14.gif

9/10 :)


Totally Agree

LHB
October 13th, 2006, 06:15 PM
Time and time again, TPTB impress me with their casting skills, and this ep is no exception.

g8torgurl
January 16th, 2007, 12:41 PM
Khalek was definitely awesome. I had this episode recorded, and I watched it about 10 times and still wasn't bored, then someone erased it, so i was sad...


He was so cool, I knew old Anubis had a back up plan!

lol! i totally agree! I hope Anubis has another one, simply because i think his plans are brilliant. :anubis: And, if it involves more Khalek-like characters, that's even better...

This episode was definitely one of the best in this season!!!

travis
January 17th, 2007, 12:29 AM
though I have watched this many time but last night was a fisrt in a while and I have to say how much I really enjoyed it as much as the first time. And yes Khalek was definitely awesome.

Angela V
March 6th, 2007, 09:38 PM
OhI so love DVDs! Never got to see season 9, just a few episodes because of my t.v. station. though they are doing well for season 10:)

Oh my. Just love all the action. My son was so shocked to see Cam and Daniel at the end shooting the guy. And he's a bit annoyed Vala's gone. Sigh, Bobby's only 7! He's not suppose to be drooling over sci-fi chicks yet.

I didn't know what I'd think of Cam and Vala but hey, I like them! Kind of helps that I've seen Farscape I think. And it's what? Over a year since season 9 started on t.v.? I've had time to mull over the thought of Jack sniff being gone.

rnwhocares
March 7th, 2007, 02:20 PM
And it was daniels idea to have him return back to the SGC at the end and once again Sam takes the credit

Uber
March 8th, 2007, 11:14 AM
And it was daniels idea to have him return back to the SGC at the end and once again Sam takes the credit:rolleyes:

flynn1959
March 9th, 2007, 02:41 PM
And it was daniels idea to have him return back to the SGC at the end and once again Sam takes the credit

Hey, it's what she does best after all.

Uber
March 9th, 2007, 02:50 PM
Hey, it's what she does best after all.And again I say ":rolleyes:"

flynn1959
March 10th, 2007, 05:03 AM
And again I say ":rolleyes:"

And again I say...it's what she does best!

BTW/OT, a little smilie thingie isn't actually saying anything, it's a symbol.

PG15
March 10th, 2007, 12:53 PM
Ah, but a picture is worth a thousand words.

Uber
March 10th, 2007, 02:15 PM
And again I say...it's what she does best!Well that's an interesting opinion but I think the wealth of examples where she gives credit to others/shares credit speaks to the contrary.

No one on that team is a glory hog. No one there cares about being acknowledged or praised or getting commendations. They're there because it's their mission...their calling. Not because of any praise they can accrue for themselves.
BTW/OT, a little smilie thingie isn't actually saying anything, it's a symbol.Actually it does. It says...almost audibly even, "I think the opinions about Carter you continually present as fact are a pile of crapola that I personally believe are based more on your bias against her than any actual 'evidence'." Thus the eye rolling.

The almost literal translation for that particular smilie reads something like, "Oh brother." Or at least that's what I'm thinking while I'm typing it.

;) <-----(sarcastic eye wink)

rnwhocares
March 10th, 2007, 02:41 PM
Well that's an interesting opinion but I think the wealth of examples where she gives credit to others/shares credit speaks to the contrary.

No one on that team is a glory hog. No one there cares about being acknowledged or praised or getting commendations. They're there because it's their mission...their calling. Not because of any praise they can accrue for themselves.Actually it does. It says...almost audibly even, "I think the opinions about Carter you continually present as fact are a pile of crapola that I personally believe are based more on your bias against her than any actual 'evidence'." Thus the eye rolling.

The almost literal translation for that particular smilie reads something like, "Oh brother." Or at least that's what I'm thinking while I'm typing it.

;) <-----(sarcastic eye wink)

She is a glory hog. Time and time again

jckfan55
March 10th, 2007, 03:31 PM
She is a glory hog. Time and time again
I've never seen it. And I can think of at least one time without even trying where she gave credit where credit was due--Jonas' idea to move the gate when Anubis was attacking it. Hammond says: "Good work Major." And she says: "It wasn't all my idea." She also tells O'Neill that it was Jonas' idea.

Agent_Dark
March 10th, 2007, 05:16 PM
I think Daniel is the glory hog actually. "Oh look at me! I can shoot a gun while Khalek is distracted! I'm so awesome Woolsey! You suck, cos I was right! All glory to meeeeeeeeeeeeee!"

flynn1959
March 11th, 2007, 06:12 AM
Actually it does. It says...almost audibly even, "I think the opinions about Carter you continually present as fact are a pile of crapola that I personally believe are based more on your bias against her than any actual 'evidence'." Thus the eye rolling.

The almost literal translation for that particular smilie reads something like, "Oh brother." Or at least that's what I'm thinking while I'm typing it.

;) <-----(sarcastic eye wink)

Which smilie says, 'Carter is a repulsive character with no redeeming features, who spoils the show for millions of people worldwide'?

Now that is a symbol I think would get more than its fair share of use!

flynn1959
March 11th, 2007, 06:13 AM
She is a glory hog. Time and time again


Yes. Glory hog is a very good way to describe Carter.

flynn1959
March 11th, 2007, 06:16 AM
I think Daniel is the glory hog actually. "Oh look at me! I can shoot a gun while Khalek is distracted! I'm so awesome Woolsey! You suck, cos I was right! All glory to meeeeeeeeeeeeee!"

Wasn't Mitchell there too? Is he another glory hog? Teal'c was on his way in there as well, if I recall. Sam? Well now she was up in the control room taking credit for Daniel's plan I believe.

Woolsey was wrong and Daniel was right...again. I think the glory flowing Daniel's way is well deserved and well earned. Unlike some.

Uber
March 11th, 2007, 12:17 PM
Which smilie says, 'Carter is a repulsive character with no redeeming features, who spoils the show for millions of people worldwide'?

Now that is a symbol I think would get more than its fair share of use!Three posts in a row? Geepers...that's...uh...dedication. ;)

And sorry, but [snip] people type the same rhetoric over and over as though repeating something makes it true. Whatever. ;)
Yes. Glory hog is a very good way to describe Carter.Ah so then perhaps you too fall into the category mentioned above with the whole "saying something repeatedly" thing. Gotcha.
Wasn't Mitchell there too? Is he another glory hog? Teal'c was on his way in there as well, if I recall. Sam?

Well now she was up in the control room taking credit for Daniel's plan I believe.Why would they be glory hogs? Because they didn't trip over themselves talking about how wonderful Daniel is? I'd love to hear your theory sometime about how Mitchell and Teal'c are somehow glory hogs. That should be...rich. ;)

And as for Sam, sorry...but she did not take credit for Daniel's idea. She reported to the befuddled general why Khalek reappeared in his gateroom.
CARTER: *to Landry* I rigged the call forwarding device on 584 to dial back here …

LANDRY: and you didn't tell me?

CARTER: we were going to sir but we didn't get a chance…it's a good thing too or he would have heard us. That's all he needed to know at that moment and truthfully all the details about their plan would come out in the team debriefing anyway...something that the entire team knows, including Sam. So if Sam had said, "It was my idea to rig the call forwarding device," she would have been shown up at the debriefing when all the facts came to life about what was determined and when.

The fact is...she DID rig the call forwarding device. Not Mitchell. Not Teal'c. And NOT Daniel. But apparently...to a small group of people...because Sam didn't fall all over herself making sure the general knew who's idea was at work right at that exact second, she's a glory hog. :rolleyes: [translated..."oh brother"]
Woolsey was wrong and Daniel was right...again. I think the glory flowing Daniel's way is well deserved and well earned. Unlike some.Yes...Woolsey was wrong but I think Daniel was wrong too.

First, Daniel never...EVER would have been the one to suggest killing Khalek first. Period. The military folk would have suggested it, either Sam or Mitchell, and he would have begrudgingly agreed.

Second, Daniel was not the one on the show to hold a grudge. That's Jack. And regardless of how many times I've seen Daniel try to be Jack over the last year and a half, it's just not working. The idea that he can see Woolsey's position and still willfully refuse to forgive him, or at the very least say, "No...but give me time", tells me how starkly out of character he was at that moment...just like he was out of character when he suggested killing Khalek.

Trek_Girl42
April 2nd, 2007, 11:55 AM
I was re-watching this ep yesterday, and I absolutely love how Daniel is portrayed in this ep. It's really a complete role-reversal of what we've usually got- Daniel advocating for life, and Woolsey, or whoever wanting to use more drastic measures. It definitly shows how much Daniel has grown as a character and that he actually learned from his experiences in season eight. And that scene where he was the one who shot Khalik who was stopping Cam.....it's pretty shocking that Daniel has come to a point where he would without hesitation do this- as he certainly would not have back in season one/two. Great character development. :daniel:

Madeleine
April 7th, 2007, 07:42 PM
as he certainly would not have back in season one/two.

Do you think so? I think he would have. He shot those baby goa'ulds just for being baby goa'ulds with the potential to one day harm people. I don't think s1 or s2 baby-snake-killing Daniel would have behaved much differently to Khalik, who was keen to get cracking on enslaving a galaxy.

I know that Daniel was the one who always wanted to talk out the argument rather than shoot it out - when *people* were involved, not goa'uld. He just wanted the goa'uld dead, and the only thing that ever tempered his goa'uld-killing streak was compassion for the hosts. Khalik had no host, he was in essence and soul pure goa'uld, and a particularly bad one at that. Daniel would have known that he was on the verge of almost limitless power. Why on earth would Daniel *not* want Khalik dead?

madaboutdanny
April 7th, 2007, 09:50 PM
Three posts in a row? Geepers...that's...uh...dedication. ;)

And sorry, but [snip] people type the same rhetoric over and over as though repeating something makes it true. Whatever. ;)Ah so then perhaps you too fall into the category mentioned above with the whole "saying something repeatedly" thing. Gotcha.Why would they be glory hogs? Because they didn't trip over themselves talking about how wonderful Daniel is? I'd love to hear your theory sometime about how Mitchell and Teal'c are somehow glory hogs. That should be...rich. ;)

And as for Sam, sorry...but she did not take credit for Daniel's idea. She reported to the befuddled general why Khalek reappeared in his gateroom.That's all he needed to know at that moment and truthfully all the details about their plan would come out in the team debriefing anyway...something that the entire team knows, including Sam. So if Sam had said, "It was my idea to rig the call forwarding device," she would have been shown up at the debriefing when all the facts came to life about what was determined and when.

The fact is...she DID rig the call forwarding device. Not Mitchell. Not Teal'c. And NOT Daniel. But apparently...to a small group of people...because Sam didn't fall all over herself making sure the general knew who's idea was at work right at that exact second, she's a glory hog. :rolleyes: [translated..."oh brother"]Yes...Woolsey was wrong but I think Daniel was wrong too.

First, Daniel never...EVER would have been the one to suggest killing Khalek first. Period. The military folk would have suggested it, either Sam or Mitchell, and he would have begrudgingly agreed.

Second, Daniel was not the one on the show to hold a grudge. That's Jack. And regardless of how many times I've seen Daniel try to be Jack over the last year and a half, it's just not working. The idea that he can see Woolsey's position and still willfully refuse to forgive him, or at the very least say, "No...but give me time", tells me how starkly out of character he was at that moment...just like he was out of character when he suggested killing Khalek.

Your post is one of the reason why I find Sam so annoying!!!! His character is always the same...

Trek_Girl42
April 9th, 2007, 07:11 PM
Do you think so? I think he would have. He shot those baby goa'ulds just for being baby goa'ulds with the potential to one day harm people. I don't think s1 or s2 baby-snake-killing Daniel would have behaved much differently to Khalik, who was keen to get cracking on enslaving a galaxy.

I know that Daniel was the one who always wanted to talk out the argument rather than shoot it out - when *people* were involved, not goa'uld. He just wanted the goa'uld dead, and the only thing that ever tempered his goa'uld-killing streak was compassion for the hosts. Khalik had no host, he was in essence and soul pure goa'uld, and a particularly bad one at that. Daniel would have known that he was on the verge of almost limitless power. Why on earth would Daniel *not* want Khalik dead?
I think Daniel would have been on the side of "lets study this guy before jumping to conclusions" that everyone else was on for this episode, and the SGC/antagonistic politician of the week would have been for killing him immeadiately. There's no way he would have been able to resist, he'd have been in the place that Woolsey was in- though he wouldn't have let it go that far, but I can't see early season Daniel passing up the oppertunity.

First
August 21st, 2007, 11:32 PM
Quite a moral dilemma in the beginning. Do you kill Khalek just because of his "breeding"? Daniel was the only one suitably qualified to see just how dangerous Khalek would become, and it was quite a shock for him to suggest that they kill him immediately.
On one hand we want to be compassionate, and to learn from him. On the other hand he will kill us all if he reaches his full potential!

garhkal
August 24th, 2007, 06:05 AM
I actually loved how he played up his evilness..

First
October 8th, 2007, 11:16 PM
It was a good insight in to how his memories of great power and evil corrupt him. As he is recalling memories of thousands of people worshipping him, it's like he gets drunk on his own godliness, and that encourages him to become more evil!

cablekit
August 21st, 2008, 07:28 AM
I loved this episode. they where all great.:)
Of course daniel would sugest this. I mean after everything Anubis put them through and what it took to get rid of him he out of all of them no whats at stake.:confused:
And of course his charecter woukd change after everything he's been through. i mean if you went through anything like what he as a charcter has been throuh are you saying you would stay the same.
All in all great episode:):)

dosed150
September 3rd, 2008, 04:29 PM
i notice woolsey described the ioa as representing the free nations of the world but russia and china and members and neither grant much freedom to there people

Sue_Jackson
September 3rd, 2008, 06:05 PM
Do you think so? I think he would have. He shot those baby goa'ulds just for being baby goa'ulds with the potential to one day harm people. I don't think s1 or s2 baby-snake-killing Daniel would have behaved much differently to Khalik, who was keen to get cracking on enslaving a galaxy.

I know that Daniel was the one who always wanted to talk out the argument rather than shoot it out - when *people* were involved, not goa'uld. He just wanted the goa'uld dead, and the only thing that ever tempered his goa'uld-killing streak was compassion for the hosts. Khalik had no host, he was in essence and soul pure goa'uld, and a particularly bad one at that. Daniel would have known that he was on the verge of almost limitless power. Why on earth would Daniel *not* want Khalik dead?

Well said...Madeleine. :) :zelenka25:

KFShimmy
March 29th, 2009, 03:13 PM
So... did anyone notice that the hybrid totally pulled a "mewtwo" in this episode?

Petra
May 11th, 2009, 02:13 PM
Well, I just rewatched it and while I can see where are people praising Daniel coming from, I just kept thinking :"wow, that's Jack stuck in Daniel's body!". Seriously, I think Daniel behaved just like him and that's why I couldn't entirely buy it. Maybe MS should have found some another way to play him, because while I know Daniel had his reasons I saw another character entirely, not Dr Jackson with issues ;)

But before I get slammed I'd like to say that I liked the episode overall. It's certainly among the best in season 9. And I don't have any problems with Daniel's decision or position, just with its execution, if that makes sense.

madaboutdanny
May 11th, 2009, 02:48 PM
Well, I just rewatched it and while I can see where are people praising Daniel coming from, I just kept thinking :"wow, that's Jack stuck in Daniel's body!". Seriously, I think Daniel behaved just like him and that's why I couldn't entirely buy it. Maybe MS should have found some another way to play him, because while I know Daniel had his reasons I saw another character entirely, not Dr Jackson with issues ;)

But before I get slammed I'd like to say that I liked the episode overall. It's certainly among the best in season 9. And I don't have any problems with Daniel's decision or position, just with its execution, if that makes sense.
I have no doubt about your thought on Daniel....:rolleyes:

amconway
May 17th, 2009, 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by Madeleine_W
Do you think so? I think he would have. He shot those baby goa'ulds just for being baby goa'ulds with the potential to one day harm people. I don't think s1 or s2 baby-snake-killing Daniel would have behaved much differently to Khalik, who was keen to get cracking on enslaving a galaxy.

I know that Daniel was the one who always wanted to talk out the argument rather than shoot it out - when *people* were involved, not goa'uld. He just wanted the goa'uld dead, and the only thing that ever tempered his goa'uld-killing streak was compassion for the hosts. Khalik had no host, he was in essence and soul pure goa'uld, and a particularly bad one at that. Daniel would have known that he was on the verge of almost limitless power. Why on earth would Daniel *not* want Khalik dead?

I agree, but I think he was also aware of the choice he was making, in a larger sense. The whole conversation about killing, and wanting to kill wasn't lost on him. He would see it as absolutely necessary, but that doesn't mean that it didn't stir up some unpleasant thoughts. We don't see anything like the same expression on his face here as we did when he killed the Goa'uld.

vzzzzzbx
July 18th, 2009, 06:39 PM
Now this was a good episode, definately one of season 9's better efforts. Khalek made a great villain, the guy who played him was totally convincing in the 'evil' stakes, too bad they killed him off after only one appearance.

amconway
July 18th, 2009, 07:28 PM
Now this was a good episode, definately one of season 9's better efforts. Khalek made a great villain, the guy who played him was totally convincing in the 'evil' stakes, too bad they killed him off after only one appearance.

Well, yes, but the fact that it was Daniel that advised killing him immediately, the conversations between Khalek and Daniel about the nature of killing, and ultimately, Daniel firing the first of the shots that killed him was the whole point of the episode.

schlemmbot
July 18th, 2009, 09:18 PM
I suspect Daniel reacted the was he did because he understands the risks better perhaps than anyone else; if not consciously than buried in his brain somewhere with the knowledge he gained from having been ascended. I believe thats what the episode was about; exposing a deeper vengeance between him and Anubis. That said, I too was pretty shocked when he just blurted out lets kill him (paraphrasing).

amconway
July 18th, 2009, 09:34 PM
I suspect Daniel reacted the was he did because he understands the risks better perhaps than anyone else; if not consciously than buried in his brain somewhere with the knowledge he gained from having been ascended. I believe thats what the episode was about; exposing a deeper vengeance between him and Anubis. That said, I too was pretty shocked when he just blurted out lets kill him (paraphrasing).

He doesn't even have to remember. Teal'c filled him in on everything when Daniel went to his quarters after remembering Sha're. He will have told him everything that occurred on Abydos, and about the destruction of the planet.

You make a good point. Daniel certainly hated Anubis at least as much as he hated Apophis, and he's going to feel the same way about an artificial re-creation of Anubis. There's an interesting deleted scene from Fallen where Daniel talks about feeling like he did something wrong, made a mistake, and the old man on Vis Uban tells him to go to the place they found him and see if he can find out who he was. That he needs to find out so that if he made a mistake, he can atone for it. Deleted scenes aren't canon, of course, but it's an interesting insight into Daniel's determination to destroy Anubis.

I don't think that's all the episode it about, though. I think it's also an exploration of who Daniel is--where and how he draws certain lines.

Gamira_The Goauld_Princess
December 7th, 2009, 09:15 AM
It was a great episode and explain what actually is the process of ascension.At least became clear that there is no need to be a pure soul to do that.Little disappointing, though.

Tachyon
February 20th, 2010, 08:41 PM
This was an alright episode and I was pleasently surprised. "The son" was creepy, which added a nice touch to the episode. Not bad. Not bad at all.

mrscopterdoc
April 6th, 2010, 09:52 PM
I liked this episode. I guess Daniel acting different is a sign of him being back after descending and he looks at things differently now.

maneth
December 19th, 2010, 10:56 AM
Indeed. I liked this one, great Daniel episode. I also like knowing more about ascension, even if the Ori already showed us that you don't have to be "good" to ascend.

Jumper_One
January 19th, 2011, 03:20 AM
Rich A writes: “In SG1′s Prototype, if Khalek had been allowed to ascent, could he have gone and rescued ol’ Dad from the fight with Oma?”

Answer: IF (and it’s a pretty big IF) he had been allowed to ascend then, yes, theoretically he could have tried to help.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/january-18-2011-some-iron-hunt-discussion-fundraiser-alert-and-yet-another-mailbag/

mathpiglet
May 6th, 2011, 12:11 PM
Yay! No Ori! :D

Dave2
January 16th, 2012, 02:14 PM
I guess I missed it, but what enabled SG1 to shoot Kalek dead when he returned through the stargate when the bullets were always ineffective against him?

jelgate
January 16th, 2012, 02:52 PM
He was focusing his mental energy on Cam that he did not see Daniel. This weaknesss is explored more in The Fourth Horsemen

Dave2
January 16th, 2012, 04:41 PM
I just watched the Fourth Horseman and missed the explanation there too. As a matter of fact, I saw the prior go after Landry despite the effects of the energy device handled by Daniel.

Anyway, for Prototype, I couldn't help but be reminded of an episode of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea when they brought up a capsule with a humanoid who'd been in stasis for a million years and who proceded to destroy the submarine.......


He was focusing his mental energy on Cam that he did not see Daniel. This weaknesss is explored more in The Fourth Horsemen

jelgate
January 16th, 2012, 04:59 PM
The Prior device isn't forever. Given enough time the Prior can overcome the device that nulifies their powers

Jae'a
April 12th, 2012, 02:15 PM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/48516.html)

I can't believe I'd forgotten this one. I really liked it. Poor Daniel...
Khalek was so creepy scary though... :eek:

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
April 12th, 2012, 04:49 PM
Robert Woolsey is Dick

Loved Daniel's New Guy quote.

Better than I thought is was going to be.
100% agreed with me in September 2005.

Woolsey would really get some developmental starting with this episode.

Tomorrow, the first part of the mid season finale (Already). Orlin's back.

Krisz
April 12th, 2012, 06:21 PM
I'd pretty much forgotten this episode so it was interesting to watch again.

Khalek was creepy, the way he reveled in his growing power, so menacing in the way he didn't let on how much he could do at first.

Of course no one listens to Daniel's warning. It was weird to see how adamant he was about killing Khalek, it seemed to me that Daniel became more cynical through the 9th and 10th seasons!

hedwig
April 12th, 2012, 07:26 PM
Robert Woolsey is Dick

Loved Daniel's New Guy quote.

Better than I thought is was going to be.

erm ... that would be Richard Woolsey. :D

Seaboe Muffinchucker
April 13th, 2012, 10:48 AM
... it seemed to me that Daniel became more cynical through the 9th and 10th seasons!

I agree, and I like it. You can actually see seeds of this attitude in Watergate (when he makes the crack about Swiss subs).

Seaboe

jelgate
April 15th, 2012, 04:01 PM
This is entertaining for a variety of reasons. Even though its not fully apparent until the next episode but this episode was a nice insight into how the Priors worked. I liked finally able to see a limit in how the advanced abilities of the genetically engineered humans are. The epiode also sheds some light on ascension and how evil beings like the Ori are even able to ascend. Its an interesting turn of events on the science of how ascension works. Finally I really hatr the IOA. Its a love to hate kind of relationship. You hate their political incompetence (arent't all politicians incompetent) but at the same time its interesting to see they obstacles they place for SG-1 (and later Atlantis) to get around. Its a real shame that they have to use Woosley as a plot device for incompetence as previous episode have shown him to be a lot more competent then he is played in this episode

Lieutenant Sparrow
April 16th, 2012, 03:37 AM
Khalek sure was creepy. Living up to his father. It seems the writers were pretty keen to keep Anubis popping up through what ever means.

Not completely Woolsey's (Dicks) fault as he was forced into making the SGC keep Khalek alive. Pity it takes him until Atlantis to grow some though.

Overall not a bad ep but there has been a lot better.

LT. COL. John Sheppard
April 16th, 2012, 03:44 AM
personally i found this ep a waste of time they wrapped up the Anubis thing with the ascended cafe thing

discodiva
April 18th, 2012, 04:05 AM
Two words...Neil Jackson...:o :o

Four words.. Neil Jackson, Michael Shanks...:o :o


Yes, I'm shallow...and proud of it..:D


Deeds xx

LT. COL. John Sheppard
April 18th, 2012, 04:21 AM
?

discodiva
April 18th, 2012, 04:24 AM
The scene between Anubis' clone (Kalek) and Daniel Jackson was brilliant imho...and they're both pretty hot looking guys!...:o


Deeds xx

LT. COL. John Sheppard
April 18th, 2012, 04:33 AM
oh now you've given me something to think about
Michael as a Blonde * Snickers* :danielanime05:

Matt G
April 19th, 2012, 05:01 PM
1. Stargate call forwarding...like it.

2. Khalek...didn't imagine him as being quite that cold.

3. Woolsey...idiot still.

4. That's one way to take down an invincible seeming bad guy! :)

Nice up!

LT. COL. John Sheppard
April 20th, 2012, 05:44 AM
3. Woolsey...idiot still.

:zelenka25:

Cluas
February 13th, 2013, 04:06 AM
Not a bad episode.

Wow sitting here feeling a little sorry for the writers and those actors, playing the same role every year in nine years. That must be hard work. Kudos to the team, and in my opinion this season is as good as the others.

:hallowed:

nathan MCD
October 6th, 2013, 08:26 AM
Khalek is probably what Anubis should have been in the first place instead of a talking puddle. By far the coolest of all Nuby's avatars.

I don't understand how Khalek can stop automatic weapons fire from multiple airman but is put down by Daniel just because he and Mitchell are standing 10 feet apart. If Daniel had snuck up from behind it would have made sense but he was standing right in front of the guy!

I really like the new establishing shots of Cheyenne Mountain.

see if they knew he would be redirected back to the SGC by the dialling device thing they found why not just close the iris, no more khalek, seriously doubt he would survive that.

garhkal
October 9th, 2013, 12:38 PM
As we have seen, the iris takes a few seconds to close.. so maybe it had not enough time to shut up before he returned.

LionHamster
April 13th, 2015, 12:03 PM
well now they know how to make a priar if they can fine a ancient gene device

garhkal
April 13th, 2015, 02:27 PM
Do they? Or is there just a correlation between the powers anubis's clone had and those of a Prior.

enibas5
July 29th, 2015, 12:34 AM
THAT is so well written!
Especially having this ep. directly after "Babylon", which was so unbelievable bad, shows how much the whole show depends on the writing. If you have bad scripts, the actors have limited alternatives to turn it around.
Very much liked the way this ep. establishes the development Daniel's character has taken over the years. Even his teammates were a little irritated about him being in favor of killing Khalek. That was like saying: "I have seen too much to keep up that level of innocent naivity any longer." Nice way to make that clear to the audience, I think.

To sum it up - very good ep., with very good acting and a very good script as a foundation to make that possible.

garhkal
July 29th, 2015, 04:44 PM
Great actors can make even bad scripts into decent shows..

jelgate
July 29th, 2015, 05:29 PM
Bad actors can make a good script into a bad episode. Urgo comes to mind

enibas5
July 29th, 2015, 10:26 PM
Great actors can make even bad scripts into decent shows..
True, that's why I wrote "limited" alternatives. But that only works, if the good actors are brave enough not to stick to the script entirely and also have already achieved confidence in their character.


Bad actors can make a good script into a bad episode. Urgo comes to mind
Interesting. I liked "Urgo". Who ruined it in your opinion?

jelgate
July 29th, 2015, 10:53 PM
The urgo character is very annoying. I can't stand him

Anja
October 17th, 2015, 08:55 AM
Couldn't stand this prototype type - for me he (it) was far worse than Urgo!
Great idea - send him like a boomerang and he will be back.
Jackson grows up - finally!

garhkal
October 18th, 2015, 11:54 PM
Couldn't stand this prototype type - for me he (it) was far worse than Urgo!
Great idea - send him like a boomerang and he will be back.
Jackson grows up - finally!

One thing that always bugged me.. If they could do this "call forwarding" before, why couldn't they use it when they were getting dialed into?

Anja
October 19th, 2015, 03:37 AM
Probably it worked only from the dialing side.