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Shep'sSocks
January 4th, 2006, 08:55 PM
In the teaser, did anyone notice that Mitchell is the one that figures out that SG1 is being followed by the “invisible” Sodan warriors? Cam hangs back from the group and notices the branches in the trees are “moving” by themselves. He prevented the capture of his team at no small cost to himself.

Well spotted. Must watch again after I finish my Farscape marathon. :D

SeaBee
February 15th, 2006, 04:27 PM
Rats! Just when I thought that the episodes were getting better, this one happened.

The story was just too clunky for me.
And what's with the grumpy team?

Merrin_Delaney
March 19th, 2006, 10:04 PM
*giggle* Stargate does Tom Cruise movies :rolleyes: But since I liked Last Samurai, I don't mind all that much.

Maybourne
April 30th, 2006, 01:04 AM
have to say this is definitely my favourite episode of the season. i loved the relationship that developed between mitchell and Jolan, the understanding that came between them. Overall a fantastic episode that i have enjoyed watching may times. 10/10.

harsiesis child
June 3rd, 2006, 04:29 AM
watchable episode for me too. Not great, but sympathetic, and Mitchell is able to argue against the Ori values: he is quite clever :)

Rottie
July 25th, 2006, 03:33 AM
I loved this episode,very very watchable atleasta dozen times hehe.
I have re-watched it quite a few times and enjoyed every bit.;)

phaeton
August 17th, 2006, 03:07 PM
Interesting ep, not well written though I guess when you stay up till 11pm to watch this you either get bored or excited I was for most of ep in between.

The Sodan seem so interesting yet this ep felt like many other Jaffa tales, I think we needed more Ancient input eg history/technology Sodan have used.

I liked the relationship between Mitchell and his trainer it reminded me of O'Neill and Teal'c.
The Sodan leader andhis followers are dumb to believe the Ori but they've been fooled by a big magic bag.

Back at SGC they was no major character involvement between cast with exception of Teal'c and Mitchell's trainers brother.

Overall my rating is 7

phaeton
August 17th, 2006, 03:09 PM
In the teaser, did anyone notice that Mitchell is the one that figures out that SG1 is being followed by the “invisible” Sodan warriors? Cam hangs back from the group and notices the branches in the trees are “moving” by themselves. He prevented the capture of his team at no small cost to himself.

Well caught ;) I must say I didn't think much of it.

Descent
August 17th, 2006, 07:21 PM
This was my personal favorite episode of Season 9, really reminded me of The Last Samurai. :cameronanime10:

david2708
August 17th, 2006, 09:11 PM
Lord, I'm so over these Jaffa like 'rites of passage' type eps. There seems to be at least one in every season and usually they use the same old cliche stuff.
TPTB retired the gou'ld and the replicators and how I wish they would have ditched the Jaffa(sodan) crap as well.

Descent
August 17th, 2006, 09:35 PM
Lord, I'm so over these Jaffa like 'rites of passage' type eps. There seems to be at least one in every season and usually they use the same old cliche stuff.
TPTB retired the gou'ld and the replicators and how I wish they would have ditched the Jaffa(sodan) crap as well.
You are a very easily irritated guy aren't you? :P

SilverRider
August 22nd, 2006, 01:40 AM
I enjoyed this one. Maybe cos I also enjoyed the Last Sumarai. but never the less a good ep.

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 25th, 2006, 04:46 AM
No problems with this ep really, it didn't really go anywhere though. Well, apart from Mitchell getting adopted by some Jaffa ninjas and making some new friends.

General David Niemi
August 10th, 2007, 04:55 PM
Ninjas? Very... unsuited. But yeah a good ep when you hit the basics very well done.

Anda
March 21st, 2009, 09:40 AM
I liked the way they made Mitchell a true warior.

JadedWraith
April 8th, 2009, 10:09 AM
I enjoyed this one. Maybe cos I also enjoyed the Last Sumarai. but never the less a good ep.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I like behind enemy line’s episodes, generally because we see our heroes getting seriously tested. I also like stories about improbable friendships.

To be honest I resented the fact that Mitchell, and not Sam, was the SG - 1 team leader and this episode help me warm up to Cam.

I am rewatching seasons 9-10, and this one is one my faves in season 9.

NormaN
April 9th, 2009, 07:14 PM
I loved this episode! Mainly because it showed us the Sodan. It was a shame they had to kill off the Sodan so fast.

silly sally
April 10th, 2009, 10:14 AM
I loved this episode! Mainly because it showed us the Sodan. It was a shame they had to kill off the Sodan so fast.

Last Samurai rip-off...

NormaN
April 10th, 2009, 11:36 AM
Yeah, I watched that movie several times. Just because it looked like the Last Samurai doesn't mean it was. The plots were completely different.

Petra
May 8th, 2009, 01:29 PM
Something came over me tonight and I decided to watch Babylon again, probably for the first time since it aired. I didn't remeber anything about it, and now I know why - there's nothing to remeber, except maybe awful predictability and boredom.

The opening scene was quite good, at least till the shooting started, when I just shook my head at the unbelievability of it. Mitchell played John Rambo. Hurrah! :(

I don't like the Sodan storyline. It just seems that all the Jaffa revelations are created when the writers run out of ideas, with no prior lead up. What, the Sodan were legenadary and Teal'c didn't mention them at all during 8 years, even when the Jaffa rebelion was at its worst? Right.

That Mitchell would learn Sodan craft during a few weeks is just laughable. And what exactly are we learning about him here?
And I'm not surprised that Haikon didn't believe Mitchell. Cam should have said something convincing, should have offered some proof, told Haikon to send his Jaffa through the Gate to see for themselves instead of repeating over and over "believe me, you don't want it". In Haikon's shoes I'd be simply annoyed and I also would have ignored that person.

The big revelation of Jolan and Volnek (?) being brothers was obvious right from the first scene. I kept hoping I was wrong and the writers thought of something more original, but I was wrong.

And to those of you saying that seasons 9 and 10 gave you back the team: can you please tell me where is the team here? Teal'c has a few scenes, and while he's good in them there's no new material, just same old, same old. Ditto on Daniel. And where was Sam, again? When were they together, apart from the teaser?

Instead of the team we got another shot of strained Lam/Landry relationship. Has someone ever told them their behaviour was very unprofessional? They have issues, I get it, but they should leave them at home and not let them interfere with their job.

Also, what does it say that we have to hear how good a doctor Lam is? We've never heard anyone say "wow, she's really good, if it wasn't for her s/he would have died" about Janet. We didn't have to, it was obvious after a few minutes watching her on-screen. It's not the case with Lam.

So, I didn't remeber it because it was simply boring and painfully predictable. Still, it was better than some other episodes this season.

I keep wondering though how would the episode look like if tPTB went with their original idea and had Teal'c stranded with the Sodan, instead of Mitchell..

mrscopterdoc
April 6th, 2010, 08:50 PM
I liked this one, mainly to see Cam fight :P

maneth
December 5th, 2010, 08:32 AM
Yeah, loved Cam in this one.

suse
December 5th, 2010, 09:00 AM
Yeah. He got to do "boy stuff". :mckay: :rolleyes:

Lieutenant Sparrow
April 11th, 2012, 05:31 AM
Not a bad ep. A bit weird that Teal'c only brought up the Sodan now though.

I think the Sodan wanting revenge was a bit sore. Didn't even care if it was self defence or anything. We attacked you first but now you must pay for it!

I enjoyed watching Cam train. I wonder if he would have won that fight if they were serious?

Jae'a
April 11th, 2012, 10:04 AM
I think the Sodan wanting revenge was a bit sore. Didn't even care if it was self defence or anything. We attacked you first but now you must pay for it!
Yeah, talk about sore losers, right? :P


I enjoyed watching Cam train. I wonder if he would have won that fight if they were serious?
I doubt it, Jolan's probably been doing that almost all his life...

My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/48291.html)

hedwig
April 11th, 2012, 10:24 AM
I think the Sodan wanting revenge was a bit sore. Didn't even care if it was self defence or anything. We attacked you first but now you must pay for it!


The guys out for revenge never care that you were just defending yourself. Apparently in their mind, you should just stand there and let them kill you. I've always been bothered by that in so many stories.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
April 11th, 2012, 04:10 PM
Based on GateWorld's Episode Rating System (http://www.gateworld.net/ratings.shtml), I'd give it a **. The teaser was pretty cool. Loved Walter comment to Daniel towards the last couple minutes of the episode.
Agree with everything, except for the teaser part, I kind of disagree with it. *Thinks back to the teaser* Now that you think about it, it was kind of cool.

Tomorrow, an Anubis Hybrid. Oh joy.

Krisz
April 12th, 2012, 03:49 PM
So SG-1 comes across a lost band of Jaffa. It's just a showcase for Mitchell to show his determination to overcome physical obstacles.

Loved the Trek reference...

JOLAN: The ruse was most effective. They believe you are dead.
MITCHELL: Well done, Bones.

jelgate
April 14th, 2012, 06:46 PM
The episode was a long time coming and quite frankly I am more then surprised it did not come sooner. It was an episode to explore Mitchell. Not so much his backstory but more what makes him tick and the kind of person. As Jolan taunts and trains him for the cermony that will kill it becomes apparent this is a device to show us the kind of person that Cameron is. The most apparent trait is how he does reflect on his life and give up. The other story going on is the Ori trying to convert the Sodan to Origin. I don't really care about the conversion of the Sodan as its been done enough this season. I really like the episode for the Mitchell focus

Matt G
April 18th, 2012, 04:01 PM
1. Cloaking Jaffa...interesting...

2. "Where are they...?" There!

3. People out for revenge don't care about very much.

4. Ancient worshipping Jaffa suckered by the Ori...idiots but...

Solid enough ep...

Cluas
February 13th, 2013, 02:57 AM
This was average, not much happening. I like Mitchell, and it's good to see more of him

:cameron08:

enibas5
July 28th, 2015, 10:18 PM
Hate it!
I really did not need an ep. entirely focusing on "look-how-funny-I-am-Mitchell".
Would have been a great opportunity to kill him off for good, though...
Ah, sorry - but I really do not like Mitchell, and this ep. is all about him fighting, etc.
So, at this point there is nothing of SG-1 left, that could appeal to me.
Only reason not skipping it is, that I am busy with other stuff. So, it runs in the Background...

garhkal
July 29th, 2015, 03:44 PM
What is it with the Mitchell hate around here?

jelgate
July 29th, 2015, 04:28 PM
In my experience people have this false impression (IMO) that Mitchell is not qualified.

enibas5
July 29th, 2015, 09:18 PM
What is it with the Mitchell hate around here?
I don't know about the "around here", for I have just begun to comment on episodes and do not read every comment to an episode, if the thread exceeds 10 pages.
I have to admit, that he calmed down in season 10, which made his character less annoying, but still not likeable for me. To me, the whole character is absolutely not authentic. As I wrote in another thread - it is like a 12 year old boy, suffering from ADHD. I am well aware that it is not only BB's fault, but also the directors and writers. But also the actor must know, when he is overdoing the enthusiasm and cowboy like attitude.

And at least my opinion does not have anything to do with "qualified" or not. A character like that, with that kind of acting and talking, would annoy me in any setting, regardless if it is the leader of SG-1 or not.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
July 30th, 2015, 07:52 AM
I like the character well enough, but I think that (especially in his early episodes) they were trying too hard to make him not like Jack.

Seaboe

Krisz
August 1st, 2015, 02:04 PM
I never liked the character Mitchell much, I always felt BB brought 'Crichton' from Farscape with him and placed that same wry, frenetic off the wall attitude to things onto Mitchell. He was great in Farscape, loved that character, but that style didn't work in Stargate for me as I feel that has a more serious ordered aspect due to the military setting of the show. This is why Mitchell 'grated' as a character in that setting for me.

I agree he did settle down a lot in season 10, and by the time 'Continuum' came round I found I was watching him as one of SG-1 saving the world! :)

enibas5
August 1st, 2015, 04:37 PM
Farscape never aired in Germany or I missed it, if it did.
So, to me both actors (Ben Browder, Claudia Black) were completely new and not associated with any other role.
But to learn that his Farscape-character was played similar to Mitchell - or rather the other way round - actually stresses my impression, that a lot of it came from BB and was not necessarily intented to be that way by TPTB.

Anja
October 17th, 2015, 07:47 AM
Here is a great fan of Mitchell!!! Haven't seen Farscape either, so I don't know the other character. I like his attitude and the way he is presented or presents himself - at least this character has been through a lot tough stuff and he shows pure lust for military life - within reason so to say. He is not O'Neill and BB is not RDA - but I think those who only watch for O'Neill should skip those eps without him.

BethHG
July 25th, 2018, 04:16 AM
I loved this episode for Mitchell. It really shows that he never gives up, and he always tries to remain positive.

I really liked Jolan, but he is the only Sodan I liked-- his brother has a huge chip on his shoulder. The attitude on the rest of the Sodan for the general population of Jaffa grates, especially when they start to follow the Ori.