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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 412</FONT>
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A test gone wrong leaves Jack and Teal'c marooned in space aboard a damaged prototype attack ship.

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Major Tyler
May 9th, 2004, 01:37 AM
Okay, humans cannot survive in a vacuum completely unharmed. Maybe Jaffa, sure, but not Jack. Even if he was alive when they brought him aboard with the ring transporter, he'd be in critical need of medical care. It wouldn't just be "ow, my head hurts." I do believe Jack could survive, but not without intensive care.

Does anyone have any contradicting information that won't make me lose faith in SG-1's scientific advisors? :p

Crazedwraith
May 9th, 2004, 01:49 AM
there weren't in a vacuum they had they air that was in cockpit with them. I don't know if thats a credible exuse though. If not weill Plot device, Mr Majar Tyler. plot device.

Major Clanger
May 9th, 2004, 02:39 AM
Does anyone have any contradicting information that won't make me lose faith in SG-1's scientific advisors? :p

Go with the 'plot device' routine... it saves you lots of headaches

:D

KorbenDirewolf
May 9th, 2004, 05:23 PM
Its as much a plot device as the existance of the DHD in Children of the Gods.

angsty_otaku
May 10th, 2004, 12:50 PM
they wouldn't want to end an episode with the need to have jack seek immediate medical attention. why not end the episode with a nice ribbon eh? but hey...it was a good ep...good jack/teal'c interaction and good sam/jacob interaction...with daniel's lovely goa'uld speaking skills :-D plus another bonus was major davis !

klae
May 10th, 2004, 02:05 PM
daniel's lovely goa'uld speaking skills :-D


love the "great and powerful Oz," line!!

-Major Woody
May 12th, 2004, 08:58 PM
Go with the 'plot device' routine... it saves you lots of headaches

:DI prefer to call it, 'Suspension of disbelief.' ;)

thor39
May 13th, 2004, 04:08 AM
Indeed it was an interesting yet funny episode, from Jack an Sam being covertly updated to the return of the Wizard of Oz quotes. I really liked it when Jack was suffering from anoxia >>>Jacob is that you, did you know your ships bigger than ours; funny stuff :D

Rhydderch Hael
May 21st, 2004, 08:37 PM
Well, this episode gives proof positive that the the Tok'ra are a bunch of— big meanies.

Jolinar's Memories
Tok'ra: "One of our agents has vital information that we must retrieve, but he's been captured by Sokar and placed in an prison where no escape is possible. We want you to go in, find out that information, and maybe try to find a way home. By the way, the agent is Sam's dad."

SGC: "When do we leave?"

Tangent
SGC: "Our top field commander and the figurehead leader of the Jaffa rebellion are stuck in a broken-down Death Glider. Could you guys spare a day and send a shuttle over to rescue them?"

Tok'ra: "Screw you. Though we have an agent who can do that, we can't be bothered by such an errand."


No wonder Jack hates them so much— with the exception of Jacob and Selmak, who did find time to save the day.

KorbenDirewolf
May 23rd, 2004, 01:01 PM
I'm not saying I think the Tok'ra are all bad.. But this is yet another one of the points. I think that the relationship between the Tauri and the Tok'ra should be minimalized to the extreme. They shouldn't go to us for assitance and we shouldn't go to them. Although, I would like to point out that a Tok'ra did supply Carter and Jackson with enough information to locate Selmak.

SeaBee
June 26th, 2004, 02:37 AM
A ggod ep., with lots of cool FX.

Hmmmm, CGI! (drools) ;)

Elwe Singollo
June 26th, 2004, 01:09 PM
I liked this episode as well, no real enemies really, haha... Cocky airforce ;)

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 08:16 PM
Selmak had a good point... not to tamper with things you don't understand.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 06:52 PM
The USAF was taking the easy way out... just fix it and slap a USAF sticker on it.

Rhydderch Hael
July 22nd, 2004, 09:19 PM
I do believe that Jacob and Selmak were complacent from the knowledge that Earth was a Protected Planet under the Asgaard treaty. They would have believed Earth was safe under the umbrella and was free to progress their technology at a more conservative rate.

If Jacob and Selmak had known the truth, that the Protected Planets Treaty was a sham on part of the Asgaard and that the fleet was not able to defend all worlds under its care, they would have altered their perspective and been more understanding of Earth's desperate need to muster some form of defense.

Major Tyler
July 22nd, 2004, 10:04 PM
I do believe that Jacob and Selmak were complacent from the knowledge that Earth was a Protected Planet under the Asgaard treaty. They would have believed Earth was safe under the umbrella and was free to progress their technology at a more conservative rate.

If Jacob and Selmak had known the truth, that the Protected Planets Treaty was a sham on part of the Asgaard and that the fleet was not able to defend all worlds under its care, they would have altered their perspective and been more understanding of Earth's desperate need to muster some form of defense.Good point. I must admit I hadn't even thought of that.

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 23rd, 2004, 10:25 AM
[QUOTE]Well, this episode gives proof positive that the the Tok'ra are a bunch of— big meanies.


<sigh> That's sooooo not what the dialogue suggests in either of these eps.


Jolinar's Memories
Tok'ra: "One of our agents has vital information that we must retrieve, but he's been captured by Sokar and placed in an prison where no escape is possible. We want you to go in, find out that information, and maybe try to find a way home. By the way, the agent is Sam's dad."

The only reason the Tok'Ra went to Sam was because she had been blended with the one and only operative that had ever escaped Sokar's inescapable prison. Martouf explained all to them, in detail - despite what Jack kept ragging on about - and told them it might be a one-way ticket to Hell.

The SGC agreed to go, they were not coerced. They happened to believe that Sokar was enough of a threat for Earth to get involved with the operation. They could have limited their participation to getting the info out of Sam's mind and sending Martouf on his merry way. They chose do go further. When Sam appeared unable to retrieve the memories of how Jolinar escaped, Martouf decided to go down alone. He never wanted to sacrifice SG-1 and it was Jack who told him there was no way Marty was going down without them.


Tangent
SGC: "Our top field commander and the figurehead leader of the Jaffa rebellion are stuck in a broken-down Death Glider. Could you guys spare a day and send a shuttle over to rescue them?"

Tok'ra: "Screw you. Though we have an agent who can do that, we can't be bothered by such an errand."

Funny, I didn't see "Screw you," in the dialogue. ;)

They "couldn't be bothered" because at the time their only tel'tac within reach of Jack&Teal'c was on a mission of some great importance. Once that mission was completed, they said they'd be glad to help. How is this a "screw you" thing?

Here's how the dialogue actually went:

DANIEL: I spoke with Anise personally. She said they had a scout ship within a day or so of Earth. Barely. But it's on a covert mission to a Goa'uld-occupied world, and the High Council doesn't want to expose the operative by making contact.

DAVIS: Then, why would they bother to tell you that much?

DANIEL: They hope that the operative will complete the mission and report back in time to help Jack and Teal'C.

GH: I assume Anise refused to say where & what this covert mission was.

DANIEL: And to understand not wanting to jeopardize the life of a Tok'Ra important to BOTH of us. I mean , I sort of lost my temper, but she said she was doing us a favor, by telling us as much as she did.

SAM: Maybe she was! I mean, we know a scout ship's maximum speed from our mission to Netu. We also know it's a Goa'Uld-occupied world relatively close to Earth, so...

The Tok'Ra are allies not waiters or servants, at the SGC's beck and call 24/7.

Sheesh! :(

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 06:29 PM
That's completely right!

Livi2Jack
September 8th, 2004, 04:36 PM
Okay, humans cannot survive in a vacuum completely unharmed. Maybe Jaffa, sure, but not Jack. Even if he was alive when they brought him aboard with the ring transporter, he'd be in critical need of medical care. It wouldn't just be "ow, my head hurts." I do believe Jack could survive, but not without intensive care.

Does anyone have any contradicting information that won't make me lose faith in SG-1's scientific advisors? :p

my husband says that his eardrums would have shattered and his eyes would have boiled.

Also, my hubby the physicist says that going 1 million mph would be too slow to get to Jupiter in that amount of time. They would have needed 10 to 15 times the speed and then they would have been going too fast to use Jupiter for any purpose let alone a sling shot.

blumpie
November 24th, 2004, 03:34 PM
...with daniel's lovely goa'uld speaking skills :-D plus another bonus was major davis !

Heh, agreed. The Oz bit is one of my favorite lines through the entire series, and I just love Davis.

SmartFox
March 18th, 2005, 08:29 PM
Okay, humans cannot survive in a vacuum completely unharmed. Maybe Jaffa, sure, but not Jack. Even if he was alive when they brought him aboard with the ring transporter, he'd be in critical need of medical care. It wouldn't just be "ow, my head hurts." I do believe Jack could survive, but not without intensive care.

Does anyone have any contradicting information that won't make me lose faith in SG-1's scientific advisors? :p


They weren't in a vacuum. Vacuum means there is no air at all. They were just running low on oxygen so they could survive for atleast a little bit. Once the oxygen ran oout completly they would have 5 minutes before irreversible brain damage. So his syptoms did follow what would of happened.

cobraR478
March 18th, 2005, 09:38 PM
What exactly were they "Tangent" to anyways? :p

SilverRider
March 18th, 2005, 10:44 PM
What exactly were they "Tangent" to anyways? :p


Lol...i don't know. :rolleyes: I was busy watching Davis.

Major Tyler
March 19th, 2005, 12:16 AM
They weren't in a vacuum. Vacuum means there is no air at all. They were just running low on oxygen so they could survive for atleast a little bit. Once the oxygen ran oout completly they would have 5 minutes before irreversible brain damage. So his syptoms did follow what would of happened.I was talking about when they were exposed to vacuum before Jacob could beam them aboard.

the_cadpig
March 19th, 2005, 12:51 AM
Originally Posted by Major Tyler
Okay, humans cannot survive in a vacuum completely unharmed. Maybe Jaffa, sure, but not Jack. Even if he was alive when they brought him aboard with the ring transporter, he'd be in critical need of medical care. It wouldn't just be "ow, my head hurts." I do believe Jack could survive, but not without intensive care.

Does anyone have any contradicting information that won't make me lose faith in SG-1's scientific advisors?


This question has popped up quite a bit in the Science Fiction genre. I remember the same questions being asked in reference to a scene in Farscape. And from what I've read, the science here is fairly accurate. A human can survive in a vacuum with relatively little harm for approx 90 sec. (but not necessarily remain conscious). And if you expel as much air from your lungs as possible (don't try to hold your breath) you can avoid the effects of rapid decompression. (And if I recall correctly from the episode, Sam did tell the guys to get rid of as much air in their lungs as possible before popping the canopy). So I'd say they did a pretty good job keeping it real.


From:

Nasa Goddard Space Flight Center Website (http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html)

How long can a human live unprotected in space?

If you don't try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury. Holding your breath is likely to damage your lungs, something scuba divers have to watch out for when ascending, and you'll have eardrum trouble if your Eustachian tubes are badly plugged up, but theory predicts -- and animal experiments confirm -- that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness.

Various minor problems (sunburn, possibly "the bends", certainly some [mild, reversible, painless] swelling of skin and underlying tissue) start after ten seconds or so. At some point you lose consciousness from lack of oxygen. Injuries accumulate. After perhaps one or two minutes, you're dying. The limits are not really known.

You do not explode and your blood does not boil because of the containing effect of your skin and circulatory system. You do not instantly freeze because, although the space environment is typically very cold, heat does not transfer away from a body quickly. Loss of consciousness occurs only after the body has depleted the supply of oxygen in the blood. If your skin is exposed to direct sunlight without any protection from its intense ultraviolet radiation, you can get a very bad sunburn."


More info here:

Human Exposure To Vacuum (http://www.sff.net/people/Geoffrey.Landis/vacuum.html)


Hope this is helpful.

~cp

SilverRider
May 15th, 2005, 01:14 AM
after watching it again...one thing is bugging me ( no, not you buggy, dear :P).

Why did Davis Congrats Carter on coming up with the term "Time Lag" when he, himself said it like in a previous secne or few secnes before???? :confused:

Matt G
May 15th, 2005, 08:50 AM
Maybe Sam first came up with it off screen before Davis used it for the first time on-screen.

Major Tyler
May 15th, 2005, 09:32 AM
Hope this is helpful.

~cpIt was very helpful, thank you! :)

Why did Davis Congrats Carter on coming up with the term "Time Lag" when he, himself said it like in a previous secne or few secnes before???? :confused:I think he was commenting on her idea to mention the time of the communications when they were transmitted, not the use of the term "lag time."

SilverRider
May 15th, 2005, 09:31 PM
I think he was commenting on her idea to mention the time of the communications when they were transmitted, not the use of the term "lag time."


Ah okay :D I think, I misunderstood...opps :o

QuiGonJohn
May 27th, 2005, 06:20 AM
I liked this episode. I thought he was saying something about OZ before he even translated the line.

Perriman33
August 17th, 2005, 06:54 AM
This must be one of the only episodes I found a bit boring, but everybody else seems to like it so maybe I missed the point. I just felt the storyline was a bit weak. :(

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 04:30 AM
It was an okay episode, nothing really there to get you on the edge of your seat a few comdy moments with Daniel saying he is the great and all powerful Oz and Jacobs Scotty line :D !!!

walter_MacChevron
September 17th, 2005, 11:11 AM
yeah it was a little above average, I liked how jack tried waking Teal'c up!

Metarock Sam
September 23rd, 2005, 07:53 AM
I didnt really like this episode it was a bit long drawn out. But Oz was good.

dosed150
September 23rd, 2005, 08:36 AM
this was the first episode i ever saw but i didnt really appreciate it till i watched it for a 3rd time

bcfc
October 24th, 2005, 03:25 AM
How do people like this episode it was boring beyond belief. Other than the Oz quote, this episode was one of best stinkers of all time.

Albion
October 24th, 2005, 09:41 AM
What exactly were they "Tangent" to anyways?

They went off on a tangent from their original plan - which was to participate in a military exercise to show off the new plane and ended up with them stranded as the plane headed out into deep space. Or, as my dictionary puts it: "Tangent: on a completely different and divergent course from that intended."

Like a couple of previous posters, I found this one dreadfully boring when I first watched it. In fact, I think I even switched off halfway through. Skip ahead about a year and I woke up with a sudden, inexplicable urge to watch all my SG1 tapes. Hit this one and - just adored it. Go figure. I can't explain it. All I know is that it suddenly became one of my favourite episodes and I simply cannot understand what I found boring about it to begin with.

The script in particular is sharp and witty. I love watching the relationship between Teal'c and Jack, with its beautifully poignant moments and its basis in their friendship. The tension is skillfully racked up throughout the hour and it has some genuinely cute and laugh out loud moments. Far too many in fact for me to pick a favourite to quote here. Plus - it has Jacob. How could you not love an episode that includes Jacob? :D It also has some of my favourite music beats - such as the music they use in the teaser with the plane and the music they use as Teal'c and Jack are ringed up from the plane. Oh, and Jack and Teal'c arriving safely on the ship and then promptly falling over like frozen popsicles never fails to have me ROTFL. And I love the end scene with the SGC going crazy and Davis and Hammond. Lump in my throat as the end credits roll, every single time. And Davis! How could you not love an episode that has Davis? :D

So this one for me is cute, funny, poignant, dramatic, tense and steeped in character relationships. Not just Jack and Teal'c, but Sam and Daniel working to bring their friends safely home. Jacob and /Sam/Jack/Daniel, even Hammond and Davis interacting.

It's all good.

Albion :)

Jynjyr
October 24th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Oh, I agree with Albion. Yessir.
Being a Jack-fan and a :o whump-fan :o this one caught me from the beginning. Also interested in space-flight, the solar system and science-geek, I knew exactly what they were trying to do with the 'nudge'. Everything I like. A team episode even though they were separated, a tear-jerker and a laugher.
Major Davis forever endeared himself to me by tearing up at one point. *sniffles*
Jacob, who didn't ask anything more after Daniel told him "Jack and Teal'c are in trouble."

*digs out the DVD* I've got to watch it again.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/Jynjyr/hats/412_Tangent1-rural.jpg

Albion
October 24th, 2005, 06:23 PM
*digs out the DVD* I've got to watch it again.

LOL - yeah, me too. Once I got to thinking about all those wonderful moments earlier I just couldn't resist. <happy sigh>

Albion :)

SilverRider
October 24th, 2005, 06:36 PM
Major Davis forever endeared himself to me by tearing up at one point. *sniffles*


OH the man knew how to show emotion. :D :D

skritsys
November 17th, 2005, 06:02 AM
IMO, this was an ep where they did a lot with very little and it was well written. *thumbs up*:D

momo
December 4th, 2005, 08:20 PM
I have a question, and this is my first post.
Remember when they stopped accelerating and started cruising out of the solar system? after that, they were going a million miles an hour.
Did they suddenly stop after the rockets failed to slingshot them around Jupiter?
During the whole last scene, it seemed as if both vessels came to a stop.
The nudge, the transporter rings, was all in complete stillness! wouldn't popping the cockpit and floating up be impossible if both ships were travelling at a million miles an hour?

Your thoughts...

Major Tyler
December 4th, 2005, 08:28 PM
I have a question, and this is my first post.
Remember when they stopped accelerating and started cruising out of the solar system? after that, they were going a million miles an hour.
Did they suddenly stop after the rockets failed to slingshot them around Jupiter?
During the whole last scene, it seemed as if both vessels came to a stop.
The nudge, the transporter rings, was all in complete stillness! wouldn't popping the cockpit and floating up be impossible if both ships were travelling at a million miles an hour?

Your thoughts...Motion is relative in space. If both craft are moving at exactly the same speed, without an external point of reference they would appear to be completely still. Here's a question for you...how can a fly move freely within your car when you are traveling a 60 MPH down the highway?

Also, Jacob could have stopped the X-302 with a tractor beam off-camera. :P

momo
December 4th, 2005, 08:58 PM
Motion is relative in space. If both craft are moving at exactly the same speed, without an external point of reference they would appear to be completely still. Here's a question for you...how can a fly move freely within your car when you are traveling a 60 MPH down the highway?

Also, Jacob could have stopped the X-302 with a tractor beam off-camera. :P
O'Niell and Teal'c, relative to the modified death glider, when pushing off, would have been left far behind, right?

Wouldn't it be the same as opening the car window and putting the fly outside?

Mefusta
December 4th, 2005, 09:55 PM
O'Niell and Teal'c, relative to the modified death glider, when pushing off, would have been left far behind, right?

Wouldn't it be the same as opening the car window and putting the fly outside?
No, as when you put a fly out the window of your car, wind and other drag forces pull it to a stop (or slower speed) while your car keeps on going at the same speed. In vacuum, there are no drag forces (at least, to speak of) so when Teal'c and O'Neill pushed off from the X-301, they presumably would have been going the same speed as the craft from whence they came... although, I find the notion of Jacob slowing or stopping the craft with a tractor beam or whatever to be a far 'neater' way of them pulling off the maneuver.

momo
December 4th, 2005, 10:05 PM
although, I find the notion of Jacob slowing or stopping the craft with a tractor beam or whatever to be a far 'neater' way of them pulling off the maneuver.

I agree. Far neater. I'm not a physicist so my simple mind thinks: 'If I were driving along an earth road and the atmosphere was a vaccum, then if I somehow put the fly out of the window whilst driving at 1 million mph, I would leave the fly behind'

Does gravity play a part? Perhaps i'm just thinking far too much. I love SG1.

skeezix
February 1st, 2006, 05:40 PM
They went off on a tangent from their original plan - which was to participate in a military exercise to show off the new plane and ended up with them stranded as the plane headed out into deep space. Or, as my dictionary puts it: "Tangent: on a completely different and divergent course from that intended."


It could also be considered a tangent because they were trying to slingshot around jupiter resulting in a curved flight pattern like the one displayed on the computer at the SGC, but instead they continue in a straight line, hence a tangent to the curve.

Commander Ivanova
February 2nd, 2006, 01:53 AM
It could also be considered a tangent because they were trying to slingshot around jupiter resulting in a curved flight pattern like the one displayed on the computer at the SGC, but instead they continue in a straight line, hence a tangent to the curve.

That's what I thought, but I'm no rocket scientist :P

Sheppard
July 20th, 2006, 02:30 AM
i like it how apophis came on and he said that the ship would be returning to its home and then later on in the show jack finds out who the people were that did that and if i remember i think he was actually going to kill them

I'm Just Sayin'
August 11th, 2006, 08:44 AM
I *love* the music in this ep, especially during the opening teaser. One of my favorite eps.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
September 22nd, 2007, 04:41 PM
It had some great Jack/Teal'c moments too, like the 'We have fought and won many battles together. It has been an honor to serve the Tau'ri by your side. We are brothers.' bit by Teal'c really shows how close the two of them have become. Brought a tear to my eye when he said it! :)

Theimmortaljedi
September 22nd, 2007, 06:28 PM
this ep was like a mine nasa movie right down to the cheering at the end rescue. This was a top notch ep.:tealc:

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
September 25th, 2007, 11:09 AM
Also, the best opening sequence music ever!

Theimmortaljedi
September 29th, 2007, 04:29 AM
what was it?

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
September 29th, 2007, 05:53 AM
The music that was playing during the first couple of minutes before the title sequence, when Teal'c was flying the X-301. Don't know what its called, although I think it was written specifically for Stargate.

Harlan's Speechwriter
November 15th, 2007, 09:28 AM
I loved this episode. The balance of humour and drama was superb. I loved Jacob/Selmac telling them off, for being so presumptous in trying to fly an alien craft. He had a good point, though. I'm sure Daniel will go down in Goa'uld history, for introducing them to the Wizard of Oz.;)

garhkal
November 15th, 2007, 01:02 PM
Oz Kree!

dboy-2007
November 17th, 2007, 12:51 PM
i love this episode and i agree about the music its also in a few other episodes ta do with new ships as well

captain jake
July 1st, 2008, 12:59 PM
The dialog between Jack and Teal'c in this episode is priceless. Teal'c get's all deep and starts to say how much he respects Jack and all Jack can say is well, um back at ya. Than when Teal'c is asleep and Jack has to throw a pen at him to wake him up I was laughing my head off. Selmak was a great addition to this episode without his involvement it could have come off as slightly boring. As for the whole "you can't just slap a U.S. Air Force sticker on the side of a Death Glider speech" was way off. In my opinion it's those small steps that got the United States to where it is today.

L E E
July 12th, 2008, 07:32 PM
"in all seriousness, if that's alright with you colonel" made me laugh. and jack's whoop when teal'c gave his assessment of the test flight.

exciting ep. trapped in space. and because of my favorite system lord. i love all that airforce lingo.

L E E
July 12th, 2008, 07:51 PM
As for the whole "you can't just slap a U.S. Air Force sticker on the side of a Death Glider speech" was way off. In my opinion it's those small steps that got the United States to where it is today.

my sentiments exactly. it is rather unfair of jacob to say that. in view of the threat of the goa'uld, humans don't have the time to wait and study. they have to do something with what they have and try to improve it.

there are always risks in anything that we do. whether it's trying out a new brand of ice cream or testing a new glider. we shouldn't hold ourselves back just because there are risks.

HelloVelo
July 19th, 2008, 03:29 PM
I loved how outraged Sam was when Jacob called humans infantile. It really felt like a typical family argument.

Rating: 8/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/tangent.html

Butlersgate
February 28th, 2009, 10:40 AM
O'neill was hillarious when he was starved of oxygen he looked so out of it :D and then he just throws a screw driver or something at teal'c lmao great episode :D

balo
March 19th, 2009, 08:57 AM
It was a nice episode. Jack looked a bit lost without enough oxygen .

Loved the FX in this episode.

Rating : 7 / 10

RiaDejaVu
April 16th, 2009, 06:52 AM
Not a bad episode. Lulled a bit in places. 6/10 maybe? I did love how Jack threw the screwdriver at Teal'c to awaken him - pretty funny. I didn't think a lot of it was credible though - especially transporting them thru the rings with only a headache afterwards. Not one I'd watch again.

The Stig
May 1st, 2009, 11:57 PM
I reckon the best bit of this episode is when jack is talking to jacob while delirious. Some of his best.

Pic
November 10th, 2009, 05:25 PM
I had missed the Oz reference the first time I watched this (in fact, I think I missed a majority of Oz references). LOL @ Daniel claiming to be Oz. :)

During the test first test flight, Jack's sarcasm and playful remarks were funny but bordered on being a bit overdone. I'm glad the General whats-his-name pointed it out, diffusing what could've otherwise been a painfully sarcastic scene with just the right amount of humor. Well played and very entertaining.

Jacob and Sam's little spat was interesting and rather jarring. Yes, human's are behind them in technology but what do you expect them to do? I think that particular little battle had been playing inside Jacob/Selmak's head for a while. Also, I think there was a bit of parental worry sneaking into his remarks.

Tachyon
December 7th, 2009, 02:46 AM
One of my favorites from season 4, even though the speed of the prototype ship doesn't really sound credible. They got to Jupiter pretty fast... but I am willing to ignore this little thingy and enjoy the episode as it is. :)

gateship15
December 7th, 2009, 11:32 AM
i like this episode. the ship turned against them lol. it was a good concept having a ship earth made from studying gou'ld death gliders turning against them and taking them into space. they really really have a bad history when it comes to alien ships

mrscopterdoc
March 14th, 2010, 01:12 PM
Jack was so funny but isn't he always? :P

SiNz
August 6th, 2010, 09:18 PM
For a pretty straight forward episode, I really liked this episode. Especially the space scenes the 3D crew developed :)

maneth
September 13th, 2010, 10:25 AM
Loved this one, and oxygen-starved Jack was funny. Great FX, and I'm glad they've toned down Carter's eyeliner a bit.

Darkland
November 19th, 2010, 04:46 AM
Okay, humans cannot survive in a vacuum completely unharmed. Maybe Jaffa, sure, but not Jack. Even if he was alive when they brought him aboard with the ring transporter, he'd be in critical need of medical care. It wouldn't just be "ow, my head hurts." I do believe Jack could survive, but not without intensive care.

Does anyone have any contradicting information that won't make me lose faith in SG-1's scientific advisors? :p


I would forgive them for overlooking this fact because it was just random to see these two floating randomly in space :) LOL

ChulaksPrincess
February 28th, 2011, 04:31 PM
I wondered about the realistic facts of Jack's survival, but oh, well, this is Science Fiction, and I guess anything can happen.

Lunaeclipse
February 28th, 2011, 05:07 PM
Jack was so funny but isn't he always? :P


lol yes, and some times a little random... but it's all part of his charm. :)

Pond Hopper
May 5th, 2011, 05:16 PM
Several hundred years to return to Apophis' homeworld without a hyperdrive? That has to be a mistake.

Lunaeclipse
May 8th, 2011, 05:52 PM
Several hundred years to return to Apophis' homeworld without a hyperdrive? That has to be a mistake.

Carter has underestimated the hataks on more than on occassion...

Pond Hopper
May 17th, 2011, 12:07 PM
Carter has underestimated the hataks on more than on occassion...

Yes but this is Teal'c talking about a Death glider.

Lunaeclipse
May 17th, 2011, 06:03 PM
Yes but this is Teal'c talking about a Death glider.

Oh yeah. It's been too long since I've watched that ep. Sometimes I forget that Teal'c knows about the death gliders. and stuff.

LeftHandedGuitarist
November 5th, 2011, 01:07 AM
I had never noticed before until I watched the episode with commentary, that when Teal'c does his flyover at the start of the episode the car windows all explode!

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 5th, 2011, 06:10 PM
Oh, and for the people saying how Jack wouldn't've survived the rescue? Listen to the commentary because they explain in excruciating detail why he would.

Seaboe

garhkal
November 11th, 2011, 01:15 PM
I always loved watching those flyovers..

Matt G
November 13th, 2011, 01:36 PM
Tuesday night and another ep of SG1...

1. WOO HOO! WOO HOO HOO!

2. "Cheyenne, we have a problem".

3. "Backatcha". A Jackism I've used often enough since then.

4. The Great and mighty Oz! :jack_new_anime06:

5. Jack acting dumb with lack of oxygen.

Some dumb stuff at a scientific level but still a fun ep if you ignore that!

bookwormjules
November 14th, 2011, 02:53 AM
I enjoyed the episode, and we finally get to see what they did with the death gliders they "commandeered" from seasons ones finale. Jack's excitement for his new toy is funny, can't ever take the pilot out of him.

I liked Jacob's involvement, but I always found him to be bit of a jerk with his reactions to Earth's attempts at trying to build technology to save themselves. Although in the commentary, I do like the directors pointing out his outfit is cow stomach - and how unhappy the actor was to be wearing it.

For a slower moving episode the actors did a good job at creating a tense and emotional atmosphere during whole episode.


Oh, and for the people saying how Jack wouldn't've survived the rescue? Listen to the commentary because they explain in excruciating detail why he would.


Yes, in the commentary, they do state that you are able to actually last a few seconds before the effects of space affect the body.

Krisz
November 16th, 2011, 03:37 PM
Another favourite episode. I like this for reminding me why I liked SG-1's early days, the days when it wasn't an easy fix. No beaming out with Asgard technology at the final moment.

This had the tension and drama of it being a real certainty that Jack and Teal'c may not survive. Their loneliness and helplessness in the vastness of space was wonderfully shown in the scene where the ship glides across the screen in front of the sun in the distance.

The fact that tinkering with alien technology caused such an unforeseen problem was good. The curious humans will investigate everything, and that is what I love about this show, especially in the early days, the trial and error! :)

Jacob's reaction was a funny one, acting a bit like a mother hen for Earth, admonishing them for messing around with things they shouldn't be messing with, they could get hurt!!! :P


Cow's stomach?!!! Seriously?!!! I always thought the Tok'ra outfits looked weird, but this?!

I have to ask the question.......how can anyone know that an unprotected human can survive even for a few seconds in the vacuum of space?! Hmmmm.....

mathpiglet
November 16th, 2011, 03:39 PM
I will admit to cheering with the rest of them at the end.

jelgate
November 16th, 2011, 04:01 PM
Another favourite episode. I like this for reminding me why I liked SG-1's early days, the days when it wasn't an easy fix. No beaming out with Asgard technology at the final moment.

This had the tension and drama of it being a real certainty that Jack and Teal'c may not survive. Their loneliness and helplessness in the vastness of space was wonderfully shown in the scene where the ship glides across the screen in front of the sun in the distance.

The fact that tinkering with alien technology caused such an unforeseen problem was good. The curious humans will investigate everything, and that is what I love about this show, especially in the early days, the trial and error! :)

Jacob's reaction was a funny one, acting a bit like a mother hen for Earth, admonishing them for messing around with things they shouldn't be messing with, they could get hurt!!! :P


Cow's stomach?!!! Seriously?!!! I always thought the Tok'ra outfits looked weird, but this?!

I have to ask the question.......how can anyone know that an unprotected human can survive even for a few seconds in the vacuum of space?! Hmmmm.....

Thier have tested how long higher lifeforms can survive without oxygen

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 16th, 2011, 04:21 PM
An average filter episode. Although, a boring plot that was made interesting.

Stuff from the commentary:

The end of the teaser was inspired by the Air Force Recruiting video
Jack throwing a pen at Teal'c was Peter DeLuise's idea


Tomorrow, old colleagues of Daniel's appear.

Jae'a
November 17th, 2011, 12:05 PM
I do like the directors pointing out his outfit is cow stomach - and how unhappy the actor was to be wearing it.
Ew, I'm not surprised... Poor Carmen... :eek: :P

My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/21035.html)

Lieutenant Sparrow
November 17th, 2011, 09:05 PM
A pretty good ep. So glad the X-302 looked so much better than the 301.

Good to see Jacob, even if it was for such a small time.

jelgate
November 20th, 2011, 12:16 PM
This one haunts Jack for a long time which is just hilarious. I like this episode because it once again shows SG1 way over thier heads. The X-301 is basiclly a Death Glider with a few modifications of Earth technology. While I do not agree with Jacob's assement of us being too infantile it still is interesting to see them go way over their head and have the rest of SG1 scramble. Although if we are too nitpick being so love on oxygen and then have Teal'c and Jack exposed to the vaccum of space they should have been unconscious and in serious health conditions. And poor jaintors who have to clean those thrown papers:P

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 20th, 2011, 05:49 PM
A pretty good ep. So glad the X-302 looked so much better than the 301.

While the 302 looked cool, from a real airplane design standpoint, it has problems. One of which is how close the wing tips are to the ground.

Seaboe

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 20th, 2011, 06:46 PM
The more I see this, the more I think this is one of the best episodes of the entire series. It tells a story that more traditional, ship-based TV SF can't tell. The acting is a tour de force for just about everyone in it (the scene where Hammond and Davis listen to O'Neill's final message is just spectacular; as is RDA's delivery of those lines).

It adds to our understanding of how the Tokra view us; shows us how far each member of the SGC will go for the others, and is visually beautiful.

Yes, it has its problems (among them the speed with which O'Neill recovers from anoxia), but overall I think it's great.

And as PDL says in the commentary, about RDA's performance, "there's a reason his name is above the title."

Seaboe

Lieutenant Sparrow
November 20th, 2011, 08:51 PM
Yes I have often wondered how they manage to the land the plane without the wings hitting the ground. Would have to be an expert at keeping it straight.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 21st, 2011, 06:45 AM
Yes I have often wondered how they manage to the land the plane without the wings hitting the ground. Would have to be an expert at keeping it straight.

I had a conversation with some AF people here when I first joined the board; in addition to the wings, with all those engines at the back, plus fuel, it's got to be very hard to keep the nose up--it's not well balanced. But it looks cool, and that's the most important thing, right? ;)

Seaboe

hlndncr
November 21st, 2011, 07:15 AM
I had a conversation with some AF people here when I first joined the board; in addition to the wings, with all those engines at the back, plus fuel, it's got to be very hard to keep the nose up--it's not well balanced. But it looks cool, and that's the most important thing, right? ;)

Seaboe

But all of those issues assumes that the X-302 uses the same principles of arodynamics and propulsion as our current technology, which I think is rather presumptuous given that this craft is based on alien technology and has capabilities far superior to any earth fighter.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 21st, 2011, 10:52 AM
But all of those issues assumes that the X-302 uses the same principles of arodynamics and propulsion as our current technology, which I think is rather presumptuous given that this craft is based on alien technology and has capabilities far superior to any earth fighter.

It does use the same principles of aerodynamics and proplusion as our current technology, until it exits the atmosphere. They say so in the show. It has jet engines, aerospikes and a rocket booster. The jets and aerospikes apparently use the same exhaust system. It lands and takes off from earth, so the wing design being too close the the ground stays the same. The placement of the engines dictates it is back heavy (and therefore unbalanced). None of these things change just because it's based on alien technology.

It's a great looking ship; I don't knock that--but it's not really a very practical design (then again, it was built by the Air Force so how would they know any better? They fly planes; they don't build 'em).

Seaboe

Brother Freyr
November 21st, 2011, 08:31 PM
It does use the same principles of aerodynamics and proplusion as our current technology, until it exits the atmosphere. They say so in the show.
That's interesting, since I recall seeing an old-model death glider hovering above the ground, stationary, suggesting that unmodified gliders have anti-gravity engines. (It's the episode where SG-1 is rescued from Hathor.) Well, at least they have the inertial dampening field while flying in-atmosphere. Prevents black-outs. :)

dtheories
November 27th, 2011, 01:54 PM
Thanks for the excellent summaries, Krisz and Seaboe.
This ep surprises me by its depth and perception. The build up of tension plus the acting from RDA are outstanding!
"Colonel, General, Major, General, Doctor, General" And who says Vadrine has no sense of humor? :-}
I liked the Tollan reference indicating an ongoing relationship as well. And Daniel at the controls of the scout ship communicating with the Goa'uld was welcome relief while Jack and Teal'c prepare to die in the cold of space. Always, just the right amount of humor at just the right times. Yay PDL!
Quite simply one of the best nudges of the season!

Dimes
December 29th, 2011, 03:54 PM
This episode was just purely epic!!
Loved it!! :)

garhkal
March 21st, 2013, 02:17 PM
Maybe to hide out..

Seaboe Muffinchucker
March 22nd, 2013, 06:23 AM
Garhkal, I thought they were there mining naquadah.

Seaboe

Major Clanger
May 20th, 2013, 10:44 AM
another cute ep - I'd totally forgotten it.

one of my very very favourite Stargate moments over any series:

Colonel, General, Major, General, Doctor, General...

Falcon Horus
June 15th, 2013, 05:26 AM
"My other flyer is a ha'tak!"

They slapped a sticker onto a deathglider and called it their own... that's just bound to go wrong.

I love the dialogue between Jacob, Carter and Daniel. Politics, it's always about politics! :p

He's taking her for a spin... around the world. And then Teal'c returns and blows the windows of the cars to kingdom comes... Woohoo!

Some sweet flying... before the recall device puts an end to their fun. It always ends in tears, doesn't it. :p

Baron Of Hell
June 25th, 2013, 08:33 PM
The problem I sometime have with episodes like this is the number of options at their finger tips. I would have like to see something about the Nox not being able to help. Good episode.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
June 26th, 2013, 06:31 AM
The Nox aren't even in this episode. Or is that your point, that they should've run down the list of all their allies and why they couldn't help? IMO, that would be really boring and pointless.

Seaboe

fems
June 26th, 2013, 08:27 AM
Didn't the Nox bury their Stargate? The SGC wouldn't even be able to contact them, not without the help of the Tollan or maybe the Asgard...

LionHamster
April 4th, 2015, 03:59 AM
That's interesting, since I recall seeing an old-model death glider hovering above the ground, stationary, suggesting that unmodified gliders have anti-gravity engines. (It's the episode where SG-1 is rescued from Hathor.) Well, at least they have the inertial dampening field while flying in-atmosphere. Prevents black-outs. :)

Also u can accelerate and manoeuvre much faster and crashing would be less damaging though recoil would be a pain and u would be knocked around like hell by rounds

Anja
September 15th, 2015, 01:31 AM
One of the best eps for me - Teal'c and O'Neill very private and expecting their deaths.

Funny elements in the end - well written and played.

Nirude
May 23rd, 2016, 07:16 AM
This is Solitudes in space with Teal'c, basically. A wonderful formula as I love this kind of trapped in space theme. The trapped feeling is really heightened by the use of silence rather than music in certain exterior space shots, they're just surrounded by darkness - good editing.

I also found Hammond telling Jack they had to wait another 24 hours particularly distressing as they're just so powerless at that moment - Jack must just want to jump out of his seat and rip the whole thing apart ha.

Also for me, like Solitudes, it's a rather sad episode. We see them strapped in for their own deaths, not the way we usually see them. And it hits home when we hear one of Teal'c's "last words" to Jack. "What more is there to be said?" Exactly.. I must remember to watch both Solitudes and Tangent together sometime with a few glasses of whiskey. :D

I do find myself rather unconcerned with the physics of this episode when watching so I'm not sure how well they stand up. I'd probably rather not know.

KennClique
June 4th, 2016, 04:28 PM
another cute ep - I'd totally forgotten it.

one of my very very favourite Stargate moments over any series:

Colonel, General, Major, General, Doctor, General...

Definitely a funny moment. They did this in another episode but I can't remember which one.

lgm89
June 5th, 2016, 11:24 AM
Definitely a funny moment. They did this in another episode but I can't remember which one.

season 2 Secrets, they also did it in an episode of Atlantis. It seems to be a bit of a running joke in the franchise.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
June 6th, 2016, 06:24 AM
IIRC, it's inspired by some movie (which I hadn't seen and know nothing about).

Seaboe

AlmostAntique
June 11th, 2016, 01:57 AM
IIRC, it's inspired by some movie (which I hadn't seen and know nothing about).

Seaboe

Spies like us from 1985. ;)

maneth
November 15th, 2016, 08:31 AM
O'Neill: Cheyenne, we have a problem.

Cool episode. Loved the claustrophobic feel of them in the glider. It wouldn't be funny in real life, but O'Neill was pretty funny when he was going crazy with anoxia or carbon dioxide poisoning.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 16th, 2016, 06:18 AM
I assume you mean at the end, when they were trying to wake him up. Because his earlier check in speeches were more touching than funny.

Seaboe

maneth
November 17th, 2016, 07:40 AM
Oh, definitely. Subordinates all but swearing at their superiors in life threatening situations are always hilarious.

garhkal
September 18th, 2017, 11:51 AM
Just did a re-watch, and still chuckle every time i see Danny on the comms

"OZ, Kree!"

Anja
September 20th, 2017, 01:11 AM
Same here - like his improvised conversation!

Falcon Horus
May 1st, 2018, 08:53 AM
Due to personal reasons I have not been able to continue the rewatch in the last three weeks, so I have some catching up to do to get back on track.

Anyway, while the below review of my last rewatch is still pretty accurate for this viewing, I do have to add that I wasn't at the edge of my seat or feeling very with the story. It's a "low budget" one and all very stationary. Doesn't make it a bad story but I wasn't wow'ed or intrigued with what was going on, or even felt some -- whatever feeling -- towards the characters. Some pretty decent lines though.


"My other flyer is a ha'tak!"

They slapped a sticker onto a deathglider and called it their own... that's just bound to go wrong.

I love the dialogue between Jacob, Carter and Daniel. Politics, it's always about politics! :p

He's taking her for a spin... around the world. And then Teal'c returns and blows the windows of the cars to kingdom comes... Woohoo!

Some sweet flying... before the recall device puts an end to their fun. It always ends in tears, doesn't it. :p

How would you rate SG-1's "Tangent?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

jelgate
May 1st, 2018, 09:25 AM
Can we just do three episodes this week instead of trying to catch up? I'm in no hurry

Falcon Horus
May 1st, 2018, 11:25 AM
Can we just do three episodes this week instead of trying to catch up? I'm in no hurry

Yup, we can ... I'm perfectly OK with that.

Falcon Horus
May 11th, 2018, 07:40 AM
3-episode quiz: Tangent, The Curse & Serpent's Venom (https://goo.gl/forms/qDxkQ7dFpM0s1hLp1)

Jigsaw puzzle: Tangent (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=4HTYSDPO)

Who Knows
May 12th, 2018, 01:01 AM
12:58. Jelgate is right, he is always right, he is always faster. And I do not care http://i.imgur.com/hD86sKQ.gif

Falcon Horus
May 12th, 2018, 02:10 AM
Jelgate being right, is like a law of nature, so nothing we can do about that. :p

Well done! :)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
May 14th, 2018, 06:52 AM
I have always loved this episode.

Seaboe

jelgate
May 19th, 2018, 06:43 PM
I'm kind of surprised. I almost never agree with Seaboe. I usually have to tell her she is wrong. I always enjoy this episode for how we attempt to reverse engineer technology and lesson of the dangers of good to far ahead. I find myself agreeing with Selmack in this episode. The Jack and Tealc one liners are hilarious. This an excellent. I also got 7 minutes 49 seconds on the quiz

Skydiver
May 21st, 2018, 04:18 AM
It surprised me, and I know TBTP, when people told them how much they like this episode.
I believe it was thought up to be a cheaper one to do - so much of jack and teal’c ‘s time on a set - but was written so well that it’s very enjoyable. I too love the one liners and quips. Everyone just got it right.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
May 21st, 2018, 06:26 AM
I'm kind of surprised. I almost never agree with Seaboe.

:lol:
While I was typing that, I thought to myself, "this probably means Jelgate hates it".

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
June 1st, 2018, 03:38 PM
And the 8-minute streak continues => 8:28

BethHG
June 29th, 2018, 07:50 AM
I didn't feel like doing the puzzle this time.

I thought this was a good episode. Interesting that Jacob now thinks the earth is young, and he has a point. Earth is pretty new at this, and they don't fully understand how the technology works.

Falcon Horus
July 2nd, 2018, 06:25 AM
I didn't feel like doing the puzzle this time.

They are not mandatory. They are just for fun. ;)


I thought this was a good episode. Interesting that Jacob now thinks the earth is young, and he has a point. Earth is pretty new at this, and they don't fully understand how the technology works.

Well, the Nox already said so. :p

photoglyph
July 2nd, 2018, 01:31 PM
I really like this episode, rate it 'excellent.' Love the interaction between Jack and Teal'c. I sort of always think episodes such as this are where their friendship tends to develop -sort of figure when they're not on a mission, they probably have little interaction with one another. Though I strangely suspect they remain on base a lot but for different reasons. Jack seems duty bound even when not on duty and Teal'c likely stays on base owing to his Apophis mark and aspects of life outside the base being mostly alien to him.

I also like the tech when they attempt a staggered burn of the missiles' propellants to achieve a course deflection. Reprogramming the craft's systems to do a burn of the missiles while simultaneously bypassing the launch sequence. I think the rescue is a bit poorly executed and rushed but still love the episode. Also like Steven Williams as Major. Vadrine. Loved him as the deep throat-type character on the X-Files (another of my favorite programs).

Will wait to attempt quiz until after a proper rewatch.

Falcon Horus
July 3rd, 2018, 01:48 PM
Also like Steven Williams as Major. Vadrine. Loved him as the deep throat-type character on the X-Files (another of my favorite programs).

OH... that's where I recognize him from... DOH!! :baal10:

photoglyph
July 4th, 2018, 01:09 AM
Extremely good point, well done.

photoglyph
July 4th, 2018, 02:15 AM
I am really enjoying this thread -now I really want to watch ‘Tangent’ once I return home (currently in Lisbon). This episode has always been a fave.

I just want to say how grateful I am for the wonderful interaction I see on this forum, it feeds my addiction to the show while not adding overly-much to the feeling that I’m a sad bastard for taking so devoted an interest in a program that has now been out of production for ten years now.

Thanks, everyone.

Falcon Horus
July 4th, 2018, 04:07 AM
I just want to say how grateful I am for the wonderful interaction I see on this forum, it feeds my addiction to the show while not adding overly-much to the feeling that I’m a sad bastard for taking so devoted an interest in a program that has now been out of production for ten years now.

Applies to just everyone on the board. :p

photoglyph
July 8th, 2018, 10:31 AM
Observations upon watching this episode last night:

Teal’c and Jack are wearing G-Suits(Anti-G Suit in Britain, Canada, Australia) irrespective of the fact that ‘pilots are immune to ordinary G-Forces.’ Per Captain Carter. Most likely for back-up which means the support system would’ve had to have been installed in the glider.

I think once their craft was struck by the expended missile, they likely would’ve experienced condensation on the canopy as CO2 levels began to increase.

I also think the instrumentation in the cockpit is more akin to a 70’s model Buick than a fighter or spacecraft but Goua’ld craft clearly function without the gauges and displays that human craft need.

I rate this episode as excellent, love it.

Platschu
August 28th, 2018, 07:29 AM
Errors:

1.They mentioned that there is no gravitation pressure in the cockpit, but O'Neill was still making sounds.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/4x12/04.jpg

2.The animation was re-used and modified from the 2x05 Need.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/4x12/01.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/4x12/02.jpg

3.The stars should not move in the background as the distance is so small what the glider makes in space that the background should stay the same.

Falcon Horus
August 29th, 2018, 12:38 AM
3.The stars should not move in the background as the distance is so small what the glider makes in space that the background should stay the same.

Details that can make or break a scene -- for me anyway. :p