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Teal'c is reunited with his lost love -- a woman who claims to have found a way to communicate with her symbiote and defeat the Goa'uld.

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bcmilco
June 13th, 2004, 04:04 PM
The introduction of Tanith was kind of interesting, and he was an excuse to give Teal'c a few more lines in different episodes. ;)

Overall not one of my favorite episodes, but worth the watch. :)

KorbenDirewolf
June 13th, 2004, 04:06 PM
Yeah.. the whole Jaffa revenge thing was a pretty good subplot for a while.

stargate barbie
June 16th, 2004, 02:59 PM
i love this episode for only one reason. tanith. this episode intorduces one of my favourite goa'ulds.
other than that, there was nothing wrong with the episode as such. i don't think it did anything terribly wrong. but it just doesn't really do anything for me.
the idea behind it was good, the acting was just fine and dandy. the new/old relationship for teal'c just didn't ring true for me though, and i think that relationship would have worked better had they just been friends, but thats just my opinion and i'm probably wrong.

good, but not great. but tanith brings it up a few points :D

SeaBee
June 26th, 2004, 02:20 AM
I felt this ep was a little slow, and was written as a way to introduce Tanith.

It was ok, but not one I would rush to watch again.

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 08:18 PM
It was weird how Tanith went in that guys neck.

Ocelot
July 14th, 2004, 06:10 PM
Anise is here again.......but why did Tanith go into the host's neck? Didn't Chal'nauc(or whatever the name was) teach it the ways of the Tok'Ra???

Anubis
July 14th, 2004, 11:15 PM
Well, first time watching this episode I never trusted the Gou'ald. I knew it would be evil

aAnubiSs
July 15th, 2004, 03:58 AM
Who didn't :)

Madeleine
July 15th, 2004, 04:20 AM
Me. I didn't see it coming at all. Although I did feel a bit thick later for not having seen it.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 06:26 PM
I trusted... with reservations.

Yu Huang Shang Ti
July 20th, 2004, 04:00 AM
I thought this was a fairly good ep, since it set up the possibility of really turning the Tok'ra's underdog status around. Of course we knew it wouldn't last even if Tanith wasn't lying, but as they say, the fun's in the journey.

What made it really great, in the end, was Peter Wingfield's performance of Tanith, and the double-reverse of the Tok'ra knowing that he was a spy. You would pretty much expect the larva to deceive them, but the revelation that they knew all along really threw me for a loop. By the time the not-so-final farewell scene happened, you could cut the tension in the air with a knife.

I guess you could say I was impressed that they were able to do so much on screen with such an average script. The performances, especially the arch-enemy chemistry between Tanith and Teal'c at the end, really sold it for me. (Musetta Vander wasn't too hard on the eyes, either.)

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 06:45 PM
The CGI symbiotes look cool... 4 red eyes

LMichelle
October 26th, 2004, 04:24 PM
My favorite part was:

Daniel: "She's a temple priestess."
Jack: "So?"
Daniel: "So, they don't do a lot of dating."

Lisa Michelle :p

Lord Zedd
October 27th, 2004, 02:45 AM
I'm surprised Teal'c was able to keep his anger under control.If you looked closely you can actually see that he almost flipped out of anger.I would love to see what Teal'c could do when he gets angry.Probably dismember somebody :D like he sent to Maybourne

Daniel's_twin
November 9th, 2004, 06:50 PM
I wonder how close he and Shau'nac were. I'm guessing pretty close, though;)
Although, I have to wonder what he was thinking when his wife was still alive.

I did not trust Tannith from the moment he reared his ugly head. I absolutely love Shau'nac's want to stop the goa'uld and her honest belief that she had taught the larvae right from wrong, and I don't blame Teal'c for wanting to kill Tannith then and there. :cool:

Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman
November 25th, 2004, 03:44 PM
I didn't like this episode. I thought Shan'auc's performance was pretty poor and the plotline, while interesting didn't deserve a whole episode all on it's own. It would have been great on a secondary plot on another episode, possibly about the Tok'ra being a dying race an' all. On the other hand, Teal'c performance was amazing, and of course Tanith was great. I'd recomend this episode only for those two and that scene at the end between Teal'c and Tanith where he has to control his anger.

Daniel's_twin
November 25th, 2004, 06:36 PM
I also love that music at the end of this ep. I kinda wish they would play it more often. :cool:

Metarock Sam
March 3rd, 2005, 11:40 AM
I liked Shaunac she was great. Shame Tanith killed her though :(
I also liked the whole Teal'c american football thing where he's running along knocking over the Tokra that get in his way.

SmartFox
March 20th, 2005, 05:16 PM
Yea they're were alot of things that were suprising. I like suprising eps. I hate the ones where you know exactly whats going to happen (although it does make you feel smart).

Hywel
March 24th, 2005, 12:16 PM
I quite liked this episode, although I'm not sure that enough time was spent on Teal'c's reaction to what Junior showed him.

I also liked the line 'Bra'tac - you've done something with your hair!'.

fair_nymph
March 24th, 2005, 03:35 PM
^^^
I loved that line too. Hilarious!

I wasn't too impressed with this episode. I honestly have no interest in Teal'c's romantic affairs, which is sort of hypocritical of me cause I eat it up if it involves anyone else. But I don't care so much with Teal'c. I didn't trust the symbiote from the beginning and so I just felt like I was waiting the entire episode for the truth to be revealed.

I'm up through 'The First Ones' in season 4, and this ep, Crossroads, is my least favourite so far.

valaCB
March 28th, 2005, 11:17 PM
Well, first time watching this episode I never trusted the Gou'ald. I knew it would be evil
me too.
it was a nice episode, i love Teal`c center epi.
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my english is not that well so i have a Q. what was the story about Teal'c's father???

did i mention that i LOVE Jack :D

Matt G
March 29th, 2005, 12:31 PM
Teal'c's father used to be the first prime of Chronus. He went into battle once, realised that his guys were getting heavily beaten and decided he'd be better off living to fight another day.

Chronus thought he was a coward and killed him by removing his symbiote.

Daniel's_twin
March 29th, 2005, 01:55 PM
Not removing, but crushing it while inside its pouch, thus mixing the blood of the Jaffa and the symbiote. :cool:

Evil Emperor Zurg
April 11th, 2005, 11:52 AM
I thought it was funny how it took about 8 tok'ra to hold down one jaffa even if he was acting like some wild beast :D they should of just let him go and kill Tanith. Although I liked the idea of Tanith they just built it up to nothing there should of been a big showdown!!! maybe I just wanted more action in this particular episode :(

Hex.FTB.enabled
May 2nd, 2005, 11:00 AM
This episode always kinda annoyed me. When I first saw it my immediate reaction was "hey, I thought Teal'c was married!" and they never really resolved that. And the whole Tanith-really-IS-evil was not exactly oh so shocking. I kinda wanna to give Shanauc a slap upside the head to say "of COURSE they're gonna be skeptical!" The whole ep just seemed a bit pointless to me.

The only really good thing I liked was the whole "Teal'c's apprentice" banter. :)

Lida
May 2nd, 2005, 11:10 AM
This episode always kinda annoyed me. When I first saw it my immediate reaction was "hey, I thought Teal'c was married!" and they never really resolved that. And the whole Tanith-really-IS-evil was not exactly oh so shocking. I kinda wanna to give Shanauc a slap upside the head to say "of COURSE they're gonna be skeptical!" The whole ep just seemed a bit pointless to me.

The only really good thing I liked was the whole "Teal'c's apprentice" banter. :)

I think the "point" of the episode was that the Goa'uld are never to be trusted. Shan'auc truly believed that her symbiote had changed and wished to atone for the sins of the past. By Teal'C receiving images himself, while in deep kelnoreem, he was convinced that Shan'auc had indeed interacted with her symbiote. Of course, as soon as Tanith emerges, we know just how wrong she was, but I do not think the episode was pointless or just an excuse for romance.

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It also sets up future episodes in which Tanith plays a large role, in his interaction with Teal'C and Teal'C's obsession with revenge.

But that's just my opinion...... :rolleyes:

thorshammer
May 24th, 2005, 11:38 AM
Who spoted Peter DeLuise? Well here (http://img91.echo.cx/my.php?image=pdvd0045lh.png) he is:

Perriman33
August 14th, 2005, 05:33 AM
Some good background on teal'c was the only real good bit in this one. Tanith was very convincing and played his part well. And SG1 still trust the tokra, double Doh!
Still it was cool to see teal'c show his emotions a bit and to see how his dad got killed by chronus.

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 04:24 AM
Some good background on Teal'c was the only real good bit in this one. Tanith was very convincing as a Tok'ra which s creepy. It was good to see how Teal'c shows his emotions a bit and to see how his dad got killed by Chronus.

walter_MacChevron
September 17th, 2005, 10:52 AM
I think Methos.........i mean Tanith was one of my least favorite system lords. But I did not like this episode much (I really can't remember one minute of this episode........only 3 episodes of Stargate have ever done that to me)

aaobuttons
November 6th, 2005, 08:06 AM
I saw this again the other day on the sci-fi channel and thought I'd toss in my 2 cents.

I also didn't like the romance part. I'm very into the good guys being loyal to their wives even when apart for so long, and when they don't it's a bummer. I did like how we got to see more of the Tok'ra being decietful and selfish again. It's cool how we can have allies that we don't really like, much more interesting than everyone being one big happy family.

I wonder if the goa'uld had been placed in a female host if we wouldn't have been so suspicious. By being placed in a male host there was an instant aggressiveness and I just wonder if the real motives for the goa'uld could have been hidden better in a smaller pretty girl.

AGateFan
November 6th, 2005, 08:29 AM
I think Methos.........i mean Tanith was one of my least favorite system lords. But I did not like this episode much (I really can't remember one minute of this episode........only 3 episodes of Stargate have ever done that to me)
I always can remember the part when Teal'c nails Peter Deluise but thats about it. I like the actor that plays Methos (i mean Tanith) but I liked him a lot better in Highlander. I also like Jacks reaction to the Tokra scrwin them over again. But thats about it. Deluise run over and Jack snarkiness.

jebus
May 22nd, 2006, 08:05 PM
I also didn't like the romance part. I'm very into the good guys being loyal to their wives even when apart for so long, and when they don't it's a bummer. I did like how we got to see more of the Tok'ra being decietful and selfish again. It's cool how we can have allies that we don't really like, much more interesting than everyone being one big happy family.

well I lliked that part..
I prefer it when the good guys arent always good in every situation...

captain jake
May 27th, 2006, 11:42 AM
I relay thought teal'c was going nuts in this episode, im sorry but that girl was crazy what is he thinking.

Gate Addict
September 10th, 2006, 02:08 PM
What bothers me about this episode is that Tealc and Shaunac have sex when she is in a lot of pain. It seems she did it to help convince Tealc about the goodness of her symbiote. It was cruel of Tealc to take advantage of her at this time. He should have waited until she was free of the over-aged larvae and feeling better. (Or, not done it at all, since he was married, as others have pointed out.)

Descent
September 10th, 2006, 02:38 PM
I don't remember them having sex? They kissed but I don't think that implied anything else.

Harlan's Speechwriter
July 30th, 2007, 09:21 PM
I have mixed feelings about this episode. Teal'c's relationship with Shaunac bothers me a little in that Teal'c was (is?) married, and is usually so honourable; I would have liked a bit more explanation here.

I was never fully convinced about trusting the symbiote before the Tok'ra implanted it, but the concept of the host communicating with a symbiote was interesting; I'd have liked to have explored Teal'c's relationship with his symbiote in more depth.

garhkal
July 31st, 2007, 02:18 PM
I am in agreement that it was strange for the honorable teal'c to be having an affair with this lass while he was married and then continuing it afterwards.

Harlan's Speechwriter
August 1st, 2007, 12:02 PM
I am in agreement that it was strange for the honorable teal'c to be having an affair with this lass while he was married and then continuing it afterwards.

Yes, that really is bugging me. It just seems to unlike Teal'c. We really could have used some more explanation, IMHO.

MechaThor
December 17th, 2007, 03:19 AM
Just rewatched this epiosde after not eeing it for a long time. IU use to hate it, and it was on my worst episode list. However, now being older, more mature and after seeing some of the episodes in Series 9-10. I actually can like this episode.

What I never use to notice, because i was waiting for some action to start was all the intresting facts about the jaffa, Tok'ra and Goa'uld revealed in this episode. Like:
- Jaffa can communicate with their lava
- Teal'cs Goa'uld "Junier" hates Teal'c and so shows him his fathers death.
- we find out how Teal'cs father died
- We 1rst hear of the origin of the Tok'ra. latter to be finnished in "the cure"
- A few Goa'uld joined the Tok'ra by choice in their early years.
- Only one spawn of Tok'ra werid ever born, and none of them new queens. There theirs a fixed number (like the asgard)
- Bra' Tac tells people that Jack is Teal'c apperentice lol
- Lots of hot actresses make a good episode :cameron:

One thing I never liked however, was Teal'c cheating on his wife! He may be an Alien, but still!

garhkal
December 17th, 2007, 01:52 PM
I never liked that part either, but who knows, maybe he had a relationship with her before he met and married.//

EnterTheWormhole
March 7th, 2008, 01:54 PM
When I first saw it my immediate reaction was "hey, I thought Teal'c was married!" and they never really resolved that.
I know, which is exactly why I'm not going to watch it today. :)

Teal'c the adulterer? No thank you.

Though it does make for a good joke - "It was not Tanith who actually killed Shau'nac - it was Drey'auc performing the rite of Kelmar'tokim!" ;)

captain jake
July 1st, 2008, 02:22 AM
This was not a good season for Teal'c at all. First of all they start putting loads of makeup on him and let's not forget the Twinkie on his chin. However, putting appearances aside he is like a boy flexing his muscles in this episode. Making sure he is the dominate male and at the same time dominating the women. I don't know how to explain further, all I can say is why was he wearing lipstick!!

Now let's discuss Shau'nac and how big of a drama queen she was. I do have to say that she is amazingly beautiful. However, she is a complete nut case that was played way over the top. The Tok'ra dealt with this sittuation quite well, except for the fact that they weren't planning on telling the SGC. I was very impressed that they realized what Tanith was from the beginning.

As for the villain of the episode, Tanith gives a completely new meaning to the term "love to hate bad guy". It gets much worse in future episodes, but you can tell that he is going to be a brilliant bad guy from the very beginning.

I liked the idea of this episode, but the reality was very different.

HelloVelo
July 10th, 2008, 06:21 PM
The Tok'ra make Jack grumpy.

Rating: 8/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/crossroads.html

L E E
July 11th, 2008, 05:08 AM
Ugh. Anise again. My opinion on the Tokra is the same as Jack's. He is right to be suspicious.

Tealc! You are married! I though you had Honor?! At least your wife had a reasonable excuse for marrying another. So disappointed here.

Did the Tokra tell Hebron that there is still some suspicion as to the true nature of the symbiote they are offering him? I bet they didn't. Just be the way the trasference happened, I've already confirmed that something is wrong.

I found it very hard to believe the claim of Tealc's lady friend. By their very nature, IMO, goa'uld are born evil if their parents were evil. It's literally in their genes. The Tokra is different in that they were parented by good goa'uld, said Anise, IIRC.

Just an okay episode for me. There were a few funny Jack moments. And Hebron/Tanith was Methos in the Highlander Tv series, right? Methos is my fave character in that show for the same reason Jack is my fave in SG1. It's the sarcasm/snarkiness.

Verdande
October 25th, 2008, 07:31 AM
I don't understand how this genetic memory works.

For Teal'c's symbiote to know the circumstances of his father's death, the symbiote he carries must be a descendant from a Goa'uld present at his father's death? Or does every symbiote receive all the memories of every Goa'uld having lived before it? And how does that even work? Memories get imprinted genetically, and when the Goa'uld dies it... what? Goes back to every queen? Or is more like Jung's collective unconscious, only genetic? I get confused.

And about symbiotes and names. Are they born/spawned with names and identities? The symbiote within Shan'auc became the Goa'uld Tinith when it entered the host Hebron. How did it know it's name was Tinith? Who gave it name and when?

Matt G
October 30th, 2008, 02:50 PM
My guess is that 'Teal'c' was present at his father's death and that the symbiote accsessed 'his' memories!

Verdande
November 2nd, 2008, 03:21 AM
My guess is that 'Teal'c' was present at his father's death and that the symbiote accsessed 'his' memories!

I have no idea what your talking about, how was Teal'c present at his father's death? Please explain?

Matt G
November 2nd, 2008, 01:25 PM
Well how else is Teal'c's symbiote going to remember his father's death?

Butlersgate
February 28th, 2009, 12:50 PM
Well how else is Teal'c's symbiote going to remember his father's death?

symbiots contain all the memories of all other gou'lds and it found a memory which would cause teal'c to be fearful of the gou'ld, or try cause fear anyway.

Jumper_One
March 31st, 2009, 04:47 PM
Finally, sometime last week, some website put together a list of their favorite episode titles. Alas, Stargate failed to make the list. To rectify that oversight, I’ve decided to put together a list of My Top 10 Favorite Stargate Titles:

**snip**

8) Crossroads: We were once pitched a freelance story which the author titled, broadly enough, Turn of Events. Really? Something is going to happen in this episode? How fitting then! Sure, we all made fun of the title at the time, but Paul was quick to point out that we’d been just as guilty several years earlier with this episode title, Crossroads. Really? Someone faces a tough decision in this episode? How fitting then!
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/march-31-2009-my-five-second-stint-as-a-camera-operator-the-kino-revealed-and-my-top-10-favorite-stargate-episode-titles/

The Stig
April 28th, 2009, 10:21 PM
How many enemies can one guy have. Tanith just adds to the extremely long list.

vzzzzzbx
April 30th, 2009, 03:55 PM
Tanith made a really good bad guy, there was just something about him you loved to hate. Good job by the actor in portraying a convincing villain.

Dinoman
June 2nd, 2009, 12:41 AM
I think Teal'c judgement was completely clouded by the relationship with his former girlfriend. Having been deceived by and involved in so many battles with the Goa'uld he should be clearly understood that 'Goa'uld cannot be trusted'. I feel sorry for the Tokra who have done so much but ended up invited a spy into their world and ended up leaving their home and moving to a new one due to the disclosure of their hideaway by the spy.

Blackadder
July 19th, 2009, 07:11 AM
It appears I was not the only one to be astonished(if that is the correct word) by the behaviour of Teal'c this episode. He was, after all, supposed to be married...:confused:

Also I felt it was very obvious that the Goa'uld was going to turn out the way he did. So far I have not watched any longer in the series, but judging by the responses to this topic I guess Tanith will be of further nuisance in the future... I suppose he will find a way to escape, as the bad guys always seem to be able to.. (well, I suppose the good guys have had their escapes too ;) )

However, I would have thought that the Tok'ra would be more prudent than to keep him like that. And I am very rapidly gaining sympathy with O'Neill's view of the Tok'ra.

Pic
September 3rd, 2009, 04:35 AM
Aren't Teal'c and his wife estranged at this point? I mean she married someone else. I'm not sure I get why everyone thinks Teal'c was cheating on his wife. Did I miss something? I don't think they said that Shau'nac and Teal'c were together while Teal'c was married, it seems like they've known each other since childhood or something.

Enough with Anise, the end of her storyline can't come soon enough for me. I understand that the point seems to be that we are out there all alone, that even our allies can't be entirely trusted or relied upon. But enough with the Tok'ra not sharing. We get it already.

mrscopterdoc
March 13th, 2010, 11:12 AM
Jack saying "serious sparkage" :D
Anise again Ugh.
Lots and lots of candles.
Squeeeeee Peter Wingfield/Tanith/Hebron! :P too bad he's a bad guy.

albatross
May 24th, 2010, 11:01 AM
Aren't Teal'c and his wife estranged at this point? I mean she married someone else. I'm not sure I get why everyone thinks Teal'c was cheating on his wife. Did I miss something? I don't think they said that Shau'nac and Teal'c were together while Teal'c was married, it seems like they've known each other since childhood or something.

Teal'c's wife was married to Fro'tak, but only to protect Rya'c and give him a proper home. In "Family" she admits that she still loves Teal'c and they kiss. When Fro'tak sees them kissing, he feels betrayed and goes to rat them out to Apophis. Then Jack kills him. So as far as we know at the end of "Family", Teal'c and Drey'auc are still together. Clearly he knew Shau'nac from childhood - they talk about when they were children together - but there is still a significant lack of explanation as to why they are fraternising in this ep when as far as we know Teal'c and Drey'auc are still together.


I don't remember them having sex? They kissed but I don't think that implied anything else.

He doesn't come out of her room until the next morning - what were they doing, playing poker?

Morganrone93
July 12th, 2010, 11:23 AM
Guys, guys, I dont really think Teal'c and Drey'auc is still married, since she married another? Maybe they decided to brake up.

escyos
August 23rd, 2010, 09:40 PM
Theres a part of the episode im kind of confused about. Maybe someone has a theory.

How did Teal'c symbiote know of Teal'c fathers death, he would have had to have been the offsrping of a queen who witnessed the event (maybe that lady) but then how did Apophis's priests get the symbiote? (maybe they stole it, or that queen traded sides)

maneth
September 5th, 2010, 10:10 AM
Yikes! I hope Tanith meets a sticky end soon...

ChulaksPrincess
October 24th, 2010, 01:43 PM
The love between Teal'c and Shan'auc was so real and beautiful. What a shame that Shan'auc was murdered. I have never seen two characters more right for each other. I felt so sorry for Teal'c. It was obvious his love for her was very strong. Shan'auc was so sweet and very brave and determind. She was indeed a special Jaffa, and had the heart of a warrior. Too bad she died so soon; much too soon, in my opinion. I would have liked to have seen more of Shan'auc in later episodes. Great story though.

mathpiglet
November 4th, 2011, 12:31 PM
Peter Wingfield!

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 4th, 2011, 04:57 PM
I thought it was an average episode of Season 4.

Now we are introduced to Peter Wingfield as the Tanith.

Stuff from the Commentary:

When Teal'c's dad get killed the first time, DeLuise did the fall over first, and it knocked the wind out of him.


Monday, Martouf is back and Jack & Sam reveal their feelings for each other.

Lieutenant Sparrow
November 5th, 2011, 04:33 AM
Probably the least interesting of the eps so far.

Wasn't that human that Shan'auc's symbiote jumped into, the same actor who played the Ashrak that killed Jolinar?

I probably should have read the post above mine haha

fems
November 5th, 2011, 05:18 AM
Wasn't that human that Shan'auc's symbiote jumped into, the same actor who played the Ashrak that killed Jolinar?



Different Peter ;)

Krisz
November 5th, 2011, 10:01 AM
One of the weaker episodes of an otherwise fantastic season for me.

As if you could believe that a Goa'uld would be sorry for what it was and turn over a new leaf so to speak!!!

Did like how the Tok'ra weren't really fooled and turned the tables on Tanith. It does however highlight the fact that they don't seem to be that different as far as being devious goes!!!

With this re-watch I'm finding it fun to watch Jack getting incrementally more pissed off with the Tok'ra every time he meets them. :D

Matt G
November 5th, 2011, 04:21 PM
Tuesday night...another ep of SG1...

1. Bra'tac's IDC...and it's not Bra'tac...hmmm...

2. Right...that thing should not be inside a Jaffa...

3. Didn't have that big a deal with Teal'c having feelings for another woman...his relationship with Sho'nac was probably before he was married and we hadn't seen Drey'auc since S2...(and first time round I may not have seen her since S1!), no way of knowing what their relationship was like at this point.

4. "I am the Goa'uld". Ouch.

5. "Sho'nac was murdered". OK...

6. Can't blame the Tok'ra for pragmatism but...

7. Tanith you are officially a dead snake walking.

Noxbait
November 6th, 2011, 01:48 PM
7. Tanith you are officially a dead snake walking.

Good one! :) so true, so true.

Love Jack's reaction to learning he's Teal'c's apprentice! so priceless!

Just as an aside, Sam's hair looked better in this episode.
love how Anise gets Jacob's greeting backwards...maybe. :)

oy...Tanith is so creepy, esp with that bleeding neck wound. yech.
i endlessly love Jack's antagonism and irritation with the Tok'ra. I love his interactions with Anise. I think he was on the verge of outright breaking with the Tok'ra in this one when he was arguing with Anise just before Sha'nauc came in. Jack vs Tok'Ra and Jack vs Anise/Freya are just wonderfully interesting dynamics. Makes what happens to him in S6 even more meaningful after all his mistrust and the constant times they are boned by the Tok'ra.

I like how Daniel translated what Teal'c was saying to Sha'nauc. Nice that TPTB remembered that he speaks Goa'uld.
I also like how Jack was concerned about the host when Anise was talking about extracting what they could from Tanith.

forgot how intense the face off b/t Tanith and Teal'c was. ooohhh... They so both knew what the other one was thinking....ah, the Jaffa revenge thing....more to come on that of course! :tealc39:

Starscape91
November 6th, 2011, 02:08 PM
I never really like this episode or the character Shan'auc. Loved the fact that Jack is thought to be Teal'c's apprenctice. Definately loved the scene at the end between Teal'c and Tanith you could see the hatred in Teal'c's eyes.

bookwormjules
November 6th, 2011, 06:32 PM
I never really liked this episode either, it does help set up for some good future episodes. But I never enjoyed how easily everyone is "fooled" by the Goa'uld who want to be a Tok'ra. Although I've always thought there is likely more queens out there who've deviated from the Goa'uld and are similar to the Tok'ra. I still didn't buy how everyone let them selves be fooled - or even pretend to be.

I'm watching the end of this as I typed, and I'm can't help but be transfixed by Teal'cs "beard." How many more episodes will it be with us?

Matt G
November 7th, 2011, 02:28 AM
Oh yeah...forgot to mention about "Teal'c's apprentice". Forgot that this was the ep that came up in. Bra'tac being...dare I say...slightly patronising...but then again...Teal'c is a fair bit older than Jack as we eventually find out.

hedwig
November 7th, 2011, 04:34 AM
Probably the least interesting of the eps so far.

Wasn't that human that Shan'auc's symbiote jumped into, the same actor who played the Ashrak that killed Jolinar?

I probably should have read the post above mine haha

Peter LaCroix played the Ashrak in "In the Line of Duty". He also played a villager in Season 7's "Revisions".

Peter Wingfield played the human that the goa'uld Tanith jumped into in "Crossroads".

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 7th, 2011, 08:41 AM
Bra'tac being...dare I say...slightly patronising...
Bra'tac has been patronizing from his first appearance. I like him, and I think this is one place where TPTB got the realism bit right--it takes Bra'tac quite a while to come to admire Jack. Given the amount of time he spends with him, that makes a lot of sense.

Seaboe

Jae'a
November 7th, 2011, 12:39 PM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/19129.html)

hlndncr
November 8th, 2011, 02:44 PM
Bra'tac has been patronizing from his first appearance. I like him, and I think this is one place where TPTB got the realism bit right--it takes Bra'tac quite a while to come to admire Jack. Given the amount of time he spends with him, that makes a lot of sense.

Seaboe

Personally, I think they both had a healthy respect for one another after their first adventure together. They just like to tweak each other's noses. It's a guy thing.

Nut_ty
November 8th, 2011, 08:14 PM
This is an episode is one that I appreciate more during this rewatch, then I did the first time around.

It’s a bitter-sweet episode; I get caught up in Shau'nac’s faith and hope about communicating with her symbiote, and then her symbiote betrays her. She dies, thinking her sacrifice has been in vain.

Teal’c doesn’t get many on screen kisses—love them!
Great dialog:

Jack: Brac’tac you’ve changed your hair.
Shau'nac classifying Jack as Teal’c’s apprentice

A nce bit with Shau'nac and Hammond
Shau'nac: Hammond of Texas, a great and strong leader among humans
Hammond just eats this up!

Jack: I think what Teal’c is trying to say…
Teal’c: I have said precisely what I mean.
(happens twice)

Daniel: She’s a temple priestess, they don’t date much

jelgate
November 11th, 2011, 10:23 PM
I have always liked this episode. It delivers on so many levels. Shau'nac is nothing but a plot device for the story and characterization of Teal'c. And I am okay with that because I find both interesting. Characterization of Teal'c is seriously neglected at time. He doesn't seem to get as much episodes as the rest of SG-1 so exploring his relationship with Shau'nac and the idea of turning a Goa'uld was interesting to watch. It taught it us more about their biology. And plus it introduce Tanith as a villian who I thought was always an interesting adversary.

SaraBahama
November 12th, 2011, 07:51 AM
Theres a part of the episode im kind of confused about. Maybe someone has a theory.
How did Teal'c symbiote know of Teal'c fathers death, he would have had to have been the offsrping of a queen who witnessed the event (maybe that lady) but then how did Apophis's priests get the symbiote? (maybe they stole it, or that queen traded sides)

The symbiote in Teal'c has all of the genetic memory of it's ancestors (not just the queen...but both parents...it has been speculated from comments on the show that Gou'ald can reproduce from queen only or from a combination). Since Teal'c's father was First Prime of Cronus when Teal'c was young, I can only assume that the first symbiote he received was decended from Cronus.

The problem with this is that the symbiote would have matured and been replaced (usually takes @ 10 years) or have been killed and replaced by one of Apophos' symbiotes. I think that this can qualify as a writing inconsistency.


As if you could believe that a Goa'uld would be sorry for what it was and turn over a new leaf so to speak!!!

Well...Egeria did, and the indication in 'The Tok'ra' ep seems to be that in the early days, there were those like Egeria that defected to their side...so they have grounds to believe it is possible, even though it hasn't happened in years (or centuries). I believe that they were still cautiously optimistic...

fems
November 12th, 2011, 09:20 AM
The symbiote in Teal'c has all of the genetic memory of it's ancestors (not just the queen...but both parents...it has been speculated from comments on the show that Gou'ald can reproduce from queen only or from a combination). Since Teal'c's father was First Prime of Cronus when Teal'c was young, I can only assume that the first symbiote he received was decended from Cronus.

The problem with this is that the symbiote would have matured and been replaced (usually takes @ 10 years) or have been killed and replaced by one of Apophos' symbiotes. I think that this can qualify as a writing inconsistency.



It takes 7-8 years for a symbiote to mature (inside a Jaffa, don't know about normal aquatic environment) and in one of the extra scenes of the pilot (Final Cut) Teal'c states this is his twelfth symbiote. It's unclear when Teal'c and his mother went over to Apophis' side but I also assume he'd already gotten his prim'ta (from Cronus) at the time.

A lot is still unclear and never explained by the show about Queens and how Goa'uld reproduce. I too believe Queens can either fertilize their own eggs or use the sperm of a male (host). In reality the whole genetic memory thing is highly unlikely, but going with canon facts the fact is that two Goa'uld having an offspring can result in having a harsesis, who would have all the knowledge of the Goa'uld. So clearly there is such a thing as genetic memory from ancestors. Another thing we don't know is how one would get a Queen; it's possible that the System Lords keep and control the Queens somewhere and in effect control the Goa'uld population and decide who gets more prim'ta and who doesn't by distributing prim'ta (randomly) gathered from the Queens. After Egeria and Hathor it makes sense for the other Goa'uld to be wary of Queens and how much influence they have on their offspring. Using this theory, it's possible that the symbiote Daniel and Sam captured on Chulak and gave to Teal'c was related to Cronus or the Queen who was related to Cronus or one of his minions who witnessed what happened to Ronac.

Matt G
November 13th, 2011, 02:57 AM
The symbiote in Teal'c has all of the genetic memory of it's ancestors (not just the queen...but both parents...it has been speculated from comments on the show that Gou'ald can reproduce from queen only or from a combination). Since Teal'c's father was First Prime of Cronus when Teal'c was young, I can only assume that the first symbiote he received was decended from Cronus.

The problem with this is that the symbiote would have matured and been replaced (usually takes @ 10 years) or have been killed and replaced by one of Apophos' symbiotes. I think that this can qualify as a writing inconsistency.



Well...Egeria did, and the indication in 'The Tok'ra' ep seems to be that in the early days, there were those like Egeria that defected to their side...so they have grounds to believe it is possible, even though it hasn't happened in years (or centuries). I believe that they were still cautiously optimistic...

My guess was that Teal'c must have originally witnessed his father's death and it was that memory that Junior dredged up.

dtheories
November 13th, 2011, 01:13 PM
It is always of interest to learn more of Teal'c's past. Given his age, it is no wonder he has associations and possibly even other wives that make up his history. So, to see such sparkage when the priestess walks down the ramp is not too surprising, though Daniel does have a point about the lack of dating opportunities. Bad boy?

Dimes
December 27th, 2011, 03:18 PM
Don't like those snakes :@@

skim172
February 9th, 2012, 07:14 AM
Sucks for the host, getting trapped inside his own body with a psychotic mass murdering snake.

The Tokra don't seem to mind letting that happen. Anise says the host knew the risks - seems she does a lot of apologizing after the fact, and making sincere claims about good intentions for really bad consequences. She doesn't tell the humans the Tokra won't be sharing information until after they secure Tanith, she doesn't tell the humans they suspected Tanith was lying until after they call her out on it (though Anise assures the humans she totally didn't suspect it when she told them he wasn't).

Worst of all, when she delivers the body of Shaunoc to the SGC, she implies to Teal'c that it's their fault for waiting too long before handing the Goauld over ("Shaunoc's death is simply the unfortunate result of waiting too long.")

Which is a straight-up lie in two ways. First, the Tokra hadn't procured a replacement symbiote yet, so she'd be dead without it.

But second, and more importantly, the Tokra already suspected that Tanith had murdered Shaunoc, if we're to believe Anise's little apology later on. So Anise already knew Shaunoc's death was suspicious, but chose to tell a grieving man that it's probably his fault and the fault of his friends that his girlfriend's dead. She didn't need to say that, and she definitely didn't need to say it at that moment, so the only explanation is that she wanted to remove any suspicion of blame from the Tokra preemptively by laying the blame at the foot of the SGC first.

Manipulative little pixie, isn't she.

Stargate Atlantis Girl
August 13th, 2012, 03:15 PM
I was a bit confused in this episode, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Teal'c married? When he kissed her I was shocked, I didn't think Teal'c would cheat on his wife, just doesn't seem Teal'cish to me.

hedwig
August 13th, 2012, 05:00 PM
I was a bit confused in this episode, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Teal'c married? When he kissed her I was shocked, I didn't think Teal'c would cheat on his wife, just doesn't seem Teal'cish to me.

In Season 2, we found out that Drey'auc had her marriage to Teal'c "removed" since she thought he was most likely dead. Then she married Frotac, much toTeal'c's dismay. Frotac wound up getting himself killed, so Drey'auc was a widow (for real). But she and Teal'c never remarried. At least, nothing was ever said about them getting remarried.

hedwig
August 13th, 2012, 05:03 PM
Worst of all, when she delivers the body of Shaunoc to the SGC, she implies to Teal'c that it's their fault for waiting too long before handing the Goauld over ("Shaunoc's death is simply the unfortunate result of waiting too long.")

Which is a straight-up lie in two ways. First, the Tokra hadn't procured a replacement symbiote yet, so she'd be dead without it.

The Tok'ra did procure a replacement symbiote for Shaunac, because Tanith killed it when he killed Shaunac. He did it the same way that Cronus killed Teal'c's father, by reaching into the pouch and crushing the symbiote, which in turn caused the death of Shaunac.

Stargate Atlantis Girl
August 13th, 2012, 07:42 PM
In Season 2, we found out that Drey'auc had her marriage to Teal'c "removed" since she thought he was most likely dead. Then she married Frotac, much toTeal'c's dismay. Frotac wound up getting himself killed, so Drey'auc was a widow (for real). But she and Teal'c never remarried. At least, nothing was ever said about them getting remarried.

Ahhh yes, I remember that now. Thanks!

Falcon Horus
June 13th, 2013, 07:00 AM
@Hedwig

Shaunac and Teal'c have history, but perhaps that happened before he was married. Plus, jaffa have a long life span, who knows when those two were love birds. :p He's technically not married now, unless somewhere off screen his vows were renewed, but I doubt he would be adulterous so it's my believe this happened before he married. And Shaunac is simply an old love that sparked some old feelings.

...onwards...

Anise's wardrobe left much to be desired in this episode. I prefer the brown leathery thing she wore in Upgrades. Though I have to say that the shoulder-pieces were cleverly done with the piece of skin-colored cloth between the beige to have the illusion there's no cloth at all keeping the two pieces together.

Tanith... he's just pure evil. The way he looks. Anyone could see he's up to no good.

Jack's comment to Freya's mixe-up of the handshake and the big kiss. :p I bet, she did it on purpose too. :p

myowndrownedworld
September 20th, 2013, 01:20 AM
Great episode to learn more about Teal'C and I am loving Freya.

Anja
September 15th, 2015, 02:13 AM
No like here - could be foreseen.

Nirude
May 21st, 2016, 02:41 AM
Most episodes dealing with Teal'c/Chulack are pretty slow, this one isn't an exception.. But it's still a pretty solid episode, Tanith makes a really good villain and the conversation between him and Teal'c at the end made for some uncomfortable viewing (in a good way). It seemed obvious that Teal'c was making Tanith aware that he knows what's going on.. but I guess Tanith would always suspect Teal'c anyway. They should of settled it right there..

"Bra'tac, you've done something with your hair!" was a nice line by Jack. The Jack/Bra'tac conversations are quite amusing, even when Bra'tac isn't there :D

Anja
May 22nd, 2016, 05:19 AM
I think O'Neill is a little pissed that Bra'tac helped somebody unknown to the SGC enter the SGC.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
May 23rd, 2016, 06:55 AM
That's a good point, Anja.

Seaboe

maneth
June 21st, 2016, 09:11 AM
Interesting episode. Tanith is just pure evil...

hedwig
June 21st, 2016, 12:05 PM
I think O'Neill is a little pissed that Bra'tac helped somebody unknown to the SGC enter the SGC.

Remind me who that unknown person was? :)

jelgate
June 21st, 2016, 01:01 PM
Shaun'ac. The priestess who had Tanith

Tyrathraxus
June 22nd, 2016, 11:09 PM
I actually more felt sorry for Hebron than Shaun'ac. Here is a guy who volunteered to become a host in the knowledge he was going to get a new addition to the Tok'ra ranks.. and then he spends the next 2 years of his life murdering people and civilisations.

Peter Wingfield did play Tanith well though.

garhkal
June 23rd, 2016, 11:29 AM
I actually more felt sorry for Hebron than Shaun'ac. Here is a guy who volunteered to become a host in the knowledge he was going to get a new addition to the Tok'ra ranks.. and then he spends the next 2 years of his life murdering people and civilisations.

Peter Wingfield did play Tanith well though.

True.. It would have been a living hell for him.

Anja
June 24th, 2016, 01:20 AM
But it was much more interesting the way it was done!!!

Tyrathraxus
June 26th, 2016, 06:58 PM
oh yeah.. it was a great storyline. The show did have some great Minor Go'auld enemies. I think Nirrti was more interesting AFTER she was no longer a System Lord, Hathor, Zipnaca, Tanith, Imhotep.

I really put Tanith and Zipnaca in the same basket.

Falcon Horus
April 1st, 2018, 01:28 PM
So, we basically have an old flame of Teal'c come in, and tell everyone she's made contact with her symbiote and convinced it to break rank and fight against the Goa'uld. She manages to convince Teal'c into believing that she was indeed capable of such a thing, communion with her kal'ma, and that it wants to assist the Tok'ra and give up all its Goa'uld secrets.

But surprise, surprise... Tanith has deceived Shaunac, tricked her into thinking she made a difference in its life, and kills her to proof its point. The Tok'ra see through his deception and think they can use that to their advantage.

It was great to see Anise/Freya again.

Not so great was the team's first arrival on Vorash. The people walking towards the two waiting figures did not match the team's configuration as they ring down: 3 green figures, 2 brown ones -- which should have been 4 green ones and 1 brown one. Reused stock image was out of place.

How would you rate SG-1's "Crossroads?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

Even with Anise/Freya's presence, I can't find anything great about this episode. Yes, Tanith is a pretty cool addition to the Goa'uld firmament but the story is a little too meh for my taste.

3-episode quiz: this way (https://goo.gl/forms/32hxBhH5BzSNRmzD2)!

And the jigsaw puzzle for Crossroads (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=V8DB4S8J).

jelgate
April 7th, 2018, 12:54 PM
Im in complete disagreement FH. I love this episode because of the SG1 characters, Tealc is the most underused characters. Well until RDA starts phoning it in. But that is a discussion for another day. I love seeing the interaction between Tealc and Shaunac. I don't think they love one another anymore but it's clear they care about one another. Plus I always love learning more about Goa'uld society. Yes Tanith double crossing us is obvious but I like the Tokra being devious to useing him. If their is one compliant it's Jack's anger to the Tokra. 05:34, beat that FH

Falcon Horus
May 12th, 2018, 09:05 AM
I didn't beat it -- too dark an image and I'm currently outside so too much light: 08:35

Who Knows
May 13th, 2018, 05:08 PM
7:16. Middle of the road, I'm improving.http://www.smileycons.com/img/cloud/cloudierun.gif

Falcon Horus
May 14th, 2018, 10:53 AM
http://www.smileycons.com/img/cloud/cloudierun.gif

Aw, this one's cute. :D

And yes, practice makes perfect, they say... or so I've heard anyway.

Who Knows
May 15th, 2018, 04:45 AM
Aw, this one's cute. :D

And yes, practice makes perfect, they say... or so I've heard anyway.

We have a cute octet too http://www.smileycons.com/img/cloud/cloudiebass.gif http://www.smileycons.com/img/cloud/cloudiedrum.gif http://www.smileycons.com/img/cloud/cloudietrumpet.gifhttp://www.smileycons.com/img/cloud/cloudieguitar.gif http://www.smileycons.com/img/cloud/cloudiesax.gif http://www.smileycons.com/img/cloud/cloudiepiano.gif http://www.smileycons.com/img/cloud/cloudieviolin.gif http://www.smileycons.com/img/cloud/cloudietrombone.gif

Falcon Horus
May 15th, 2018, 05:17 AM
:lol:

:D

Chaka-Z0
May 15th, 2018, 07:34 AM
Just re-watched this episode last week and I must admit it made me smile a bit to see how gullible the SGC was in regards to Shau'nac revelations.

Couple things that stood out of this episode for me:


The ever growing mistrust: You can see how both faction are totally polarized on the approach to fight the Goa'ulds. Tok'ra are much more cloak and dagger, also willingly keeping the SGC in the dark and omit to divulge many important details. Makes you realize Tok'ra are on our side, but remain symbiotes all the same with the deception and intelligence that comes with them.
Pissed off :tealc: ; just rams through a bunch of Tok'ra, always funny. Jaffa revenge incoming.
Tanith is one of my favorite villain, this guy is so manipulative, love the actor.
Anise, because of reasons.
Teal'c possibly had an affair before? With a priestess of the temple! *insert sassy voice here*: Oh my gaawd!


Morale is: Never trust a snake.

Falcon Horus
May 15th, 2018, 10:33 AM
Teal'c possibly had an affair before? With a priestess of the temple! *insert sassy voice here*: Oh my gaawd!

:lol:

BethHG
June 27th, 2018, 05:06 AM
9:30. I am the slowpoke now.:)

I really didn't like this episode that much, but it was okay, I guess.

It was a good intro to Tanith, plus I really like the actor who plays him.

One thing that is bothering me--doesn't Teal'c have his family stored away on some safe planet somewhere? He would give them up to be on Chulac with Shaunac?

I understand Jack's animosity with the Tok'ra, I just don't agree with his mouthing off to them all the time. It is getting annoying.

Falcon Horus
June 28th, 2018, 12:30 AM
One thing that is bothering me--doesn't Teal'c have his family stored away on some safe planet somewhere? He would give them up to be on Chulac with Shaunac?

He does. Perhaps Shaunac was a fling before he married his wife. Or he cheated on her with the priestess.

jelgate
June 28th, 2018, 02:46 PM
It was my impression because of Family Tealc and Dreyac were no longer married

BethHG
June 28th, 2018, 06:26 PM
It was my impression because of Family Tealc and Dreyac were no longer married

Wasn't sure where they still stood because of the kiss during "Family".

Falcon Horus
June 29th, 2018, 05:40 AM
It was my impression because of Family Tealc and Dreyac were no longer married

I think Shaunac was a fling before he got married.

I don't think he got married again with his ex-wife after she married that other dude.

Manche
November 15th, 2018, 09:03 AM
I read it somewhere there, but felt really sorry for Hebron. When Anise said "He knew well the risks." it does not sound very truthfully. I doubt that they would say to him "But maybe he is pretending to be nice and will control your body after blending." Actually I was quite surprised that they were not more suspicious of Tanith (SG1 and Tok'ras), even if they believed the ability of Shaunac talk to him and tell him about the evil of Goa'ulds, so Tanith told her that he will not be evil and all of them take the word of the snake for granted?

I was also thinking if would not be more interesting if Tanith was able to be a spy among Tok'ras for a longer time before his revelation, what do you think?