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immhotep
August 15th, 2005, 12:17 PM
the mark VI (carters new weapon) - our new energy weapon, well actually its a photon torpedo

this is great new a new energy weapon for our ship, just what we need :)

Qasim
August 15th, 2005, 12:20 PM
Slightly Trekish but supercool

nimitz
August 15th, 2005, 12:22 PM
What are you on about.

nimitz
August 15th, 2005, 12:25 PM
Can you give me an image or link

immhotep
August 15th, 2005, 12:28 PM
nope i cant, but its true

nimitz
August 15th, 2005, 12:42 PM
Is it any good.

Osiris-RA
August 15th, 2005, 12:42 PM
True? As in...the the show? reality? :eek: spoilers?

immhotep
August 15th, 2005, 12:46 PM
yes true as in the stargate SG1 show may have photon torpedos, felger was developing them, and so this is an extrension of that......btw i was mistaken b4 this was a theroy that has been supported.

nimitz
August 15th, 2005, 01:11 PM
I demand to know if it is good weapon, the bolts look cool etc.lol

EnigmaNZ
August 15th, 2005, 01:49 PM
A torpedo is a missile type device, not a bolt, lol, though they always had that glow in Trek. At least in Trek you can fire the things without them being shot down.
No point asking what a Mk9 does till it is revealed in the show, until then just speculation, though we could have a wish list, like a cloak, or a shield, or Tollen phase shift, or a way to adjust itself to a sheild so that it passes through, like the drones do.
I wait with baited breath.

Eoin
August 15th, 2005, 05:43 PM
New weapon? Energy weapon?, Dam! where have i been :S ? when did this info come out, its about God dam time we got an energy weapon of or own,
we spent all the time reverse engineering propulsion stuff and never the good weapons until now, if the new energy weapon info is correct.
any link to it???

EnigmaNZ
August 15th, 2005, 06:07 PM
The Mk9 is supposed to make an appearance in Beachhead, so I guess I will see it next week woohoo.

_Owen_
August 15th, 2005, 07:53 PM
You are making me want to see season nine even more! lol.


Owen Macir

EnigmaNZ
August 17th, 2005, 02:38 AM
I am only up to date with Sg and Alt due to being able to D/L off the net, as with all sci-fi, New Zealnd lags behind, we were 3 years behind with Voyager, with SG we are up to season 8, and 9 should start later this year, Atlantis 1 should start in 2006 and Atl 2 in 2007. BG is up to date so far, Farscape stopped after the first season, as did Enterprise. Because NZ hasn't a big scifi audience, we have to watch budget reality shows, law and order shows, and make over shows. Scifi doesn't rate a big enough audience. Ah well.

Lord ┬žokar
August 17th, 2005, 02:49 AM
This thread is entitled "The Mark IV", is this a mistake?

captain keys
August 17th, 2005, 02:54 AM
is it the mk9 or the mk4 cause IV stands for 4 if you want 9 then it will be eather VIIII or IX

Qasim
August 17th, 2005, 03:30 AM
It is the Mark 9 / IX Immhotep made a spelling mistake :)

captain keys
August 17th, 2005, 03:40 AM
ok just making shure

Ascended Times.2
August 17th, 2005, 04:54 AM
About F***ing time we got an energy weapon!!!!
Geeze, and I was just wondering if they completely cancelled that project that felger was working on..I hope we see that strange guy again, i love the models he had in his house, i wouldn't mind some of my own...
Anyway, hurray for new weapons!
I wish that side-NID thing had stayed up, we could of had sooo muhc more technology by now. *Sigh* ooh well, the SGC (and now Atlantis) has done quite well technologicly so far :D

captain keys
August 17th, 2005, 05:00 AM
i thoght this was all a theory

Qasim
August 17th, 2005, 05:01 AM
The weapon appears in the next ep 'Beachhead'

captain keys
August 17th, 2005, 05:21 AM
ooooooooooh ok my bad

EnigmaNZ
August 19th, 2005, 03:02 PM
Felgar was working on a DEW, not a missile, the Mk9 could be Carter's handiwork.
Our missiles have the power, but need to get to the target to be effective, I hope a way has been found to facilitate that.
Personally, as the ship to ship battles seem to at distance of 10's of Km max, a railgun launched warhead traveling at 10Kps for a secondary weapon, or 100Kps for a primary weapon would do it. We need the flight time to be no more than a second to prevent countermeasures from stopping it. We can do this with todays tech, the current problem is severe wear of the rails and the large power requirements. With Naquagah power generation and Naquadah / Trinium rails that problem is history.
Bring on the BIG guns. Picture the Daedalus with multiple turreted 127mm RG's rapid firing (round per second) 50Kg HEAP shells with naquadah / potassium explosive cores containing about 10Kg of naquadah, about 7.5Mt yeild, at 10Kps. (I have worked out a naquadah yeild of about 750Kt per Kg, will put in another post) For a primary weapon, picture a spinal RG long enough to impart 100+Kps velocity to a HEAP 1000mm 3000Kg projectile with a W-88 nuclear core with 1500Kg of naquadah to enhance it, 1.2Gts. And for long range the new Mk9 missiles launched from their VLS by RG tech to give them the initial acceleration to at least 1Kps. Wonder if we can fit a Goa'uld or Asgard cloak as well :)
Felgars DEW would compliment the current RG CIWS with the advantage of not running out of projectiles. It would also make a suitable F302 primary cannon, even if we had to throw in a Mk2 generator to power it. If it can be sized up, then we have another capital ship weapon to add to our fleet.

aAnubiSs
August 19th, 2005, 03:21 PM
Felgar was working on a DEW, not a missile, the Mk9 could be Carter's handiwork.
Our missiles have the power, but need to get to the target to be effective, I hope a way has been found to facilitate that.
Personally, as the ship to ship battles seem to at distance of 10's of Km max, a railgun launched warhead traveling at 10Kps for a secondary weapon, or 100Kps for a primary weapon would do it. We need the flight time to be no more than a second to prevent countermeasures from stopping it. We can do this with todays tech, the current problem is severe wear of the rails and the large power requirements. With Naquagah power generation and Naquadah / Trinium rails that problem is history.
Bring on the BIG guns. Picture the Daedalus with multiple turreted 127mm RG's rapid firing (round per second) 50Kg HEAP shells with naquadah / potassium explosive cores containing about 10Kg of naquadah, about 7.5Mt yeild, at 10Kps. (I have worked out a naquadah yeild of about 750Kt per Kg, will put in another post) For a primary weapon, picture a spinal RG long enough to impart 100+Kps velocity to a HEAP 1000mm 3000Kg projectile with a W-88 nuclear core with 1500Kg of naquadah to enhance it, 1.2Gts. And for long range the new Mk9 missiles launched from their VLS by RG tech to give them the initial acceleration to at least 1Kps. Wonder if we can fit a Goa'uld or Asgard cloak as well :)
With current real life technology the Navy is aiming for 3 Km/s, and that's the upper limit with current alloys.

My calculations of Naquadah puts its power at 80Kt/kg. 2-3Gt for a charged 30 metric tonne Stargate.

I can't remember at which speed a missile's warhead would become useless due to the kinetic energy. Perhaps Lord Sokar could provide this information, if he has it.

Either way I personally don't like warheads in space. Same goes for nukes. I'd much rather have that nuclear material providing additional power to the vessel.

EDIT: Found an interesting link reg. current thinking about space defense
EDIT2: Might help if I include the link: http://www.fas.org/spp/eprint/article05.html

EnigmaNZ
August 19th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Played with this for another forum.

In a perfect reaction (with in reality is not achieved)
1Kg of uranium fissions and loses about 0.1% of it's mass to produce a 19.8Kt (of TNT) explosion,
1Kg of deuterium and tritium fusions and loses about 0.5% of it's mass to produce a 58Kt explosion.
1Kg of matter/antimatter annihilates 100% of it's mass to produce a 22Mt explosion.

When the statement was made in the show that naquada would increase the explosive yeild 100 fold, was that referring to all weapons, or that particular weapon. It seems strange that the increase was 100 X regardless of the ammount used, personally I think it was referring to a particular weapon type, which used X mass of naquada to increase yield 100 fold. After all, if we added 1 Kg to enhance the yield, it is going to produce less bang than if we added 100 Kg.

Naquada is more powerful than fusion, but less so than M/AM, I would hazard a guess that the 1.2Gt mine shown in Atlantis weighed several tons at the most, if the nuclear core was a multimegaton device, then that alone is going to weigh about 4 to 6 tons, plus the naquada makes for a heavy device, that they were pushing around relatively easy on trollies. That really rules out a big nuke, a 0.5Mt nuke weighs about 800 pounds and is about 21 inches in diameter and about 68 inches long, which seems more likely, the warhead on the lastest US missiles, W-88. (The B-83 bomb has a max yield of 1.2Mt and is 18 inches in diameter, 145 inches long and weighs 2400 pound, over a ton, and it is 12 feet long! The 20 Mt warhead on the Russian Satan missile had a 20 Gt yield, was about 5 meters long and weighed about 7 tons) Add the naquada, say 1500Kg at the most, to make the bomb as mobile as it was shown to be in SG Atlantis.

That would make;
1Kg of naquada discharges/disrupts to produce about a 750Kt yeild. That probably works in seeing the yeild of the overloaded generator in Atlantis which probably contains 50 - 100 grams of the stuff at the most, plus all the wizardry necessary to turn it into usable energy. Using the above guess, 50 grams equals a 38Kt blast, which looks about right, certainly no more, though I'm no expert. And as always, purely speculative. But it gives a rough and ready basis.

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa...s/Allbombs.html

aAnubiSs
August 19th, 2005, 03:43 PM
The question is however, should we use all the scetchy information about naquadah, or should we use the only real numbers we've gotten. The only time the power of a pure naquadah source exploding has been stated was in Redemption, which was 2-3Gt for a 30 tonne gate. AFAIK these are the only cannon numbers we've gotten that doesn't include any other explosive.

EnigmaNZ
August 19th, 2005, 04:16 PM
Ok, but SG's have shown themselves to be very resilent when targeted, weapons grade naquadah would prosumably be more energetic. The big problem with 80Kt to the Kg is the ammount required for the 1.2Gt mines, and the missile warheads, about 15 tons of naquadah. They were not half the size of the gate, and no US missile can lift that kind of mass. Even the giant Russian Satan ICBM, had a throw weight of about 9 tons.

EnigmaNZ
August 20th, 2005, 04:30 AM
Bugger, just rewatched Seige 2, those 1200Mt enhanced nukes were small, perhaps 0.75m wide and 1 to 1.5m long. That ups the yield per Kg of weapon's grade naquadah well above what I thought.
Just looked at a W-88 cutaway, the RV is 68 x 21 inches, but the bomb core is much smaller, about 23 x 11 inches for 475Kt. We need to boost it's yeild 3000 times to make up our 1.2Gt, and it looks like no more than maybe a few hundred Kg of naquadah are involved. That makes weapon's grade naquadah more like 3.750Mt yield per Kg minimum.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/w88.htm

dosed150
August 20th, 2005, 08:35 AM
im confused it says mark iv which is 4 but people are calling it a mark 9 which would be ix

captain keys
August 20th, 2005, 09:26 AM
yeah i already stated that its a type o

whatswiththehairtealc
August 20th, 2005, 11:14 AM
so i'm assuming people now know the MK9 is just a nuke with a bunch of naquadria. its nothing new really. not really an "energy weapon" unless you conciter a nuke an energy weapon. although i guess it could be argued even a projectile weapon is an energy weapon.

but it kicks ass none the less.

_Owen_
August 23rd, 2005, 09:57 AM
This sounds very cool, it's to bad I have to wait so long to see it!

Owen Macri