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GateWorld
April 27th, 2004, 09:35 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 321</FONT>
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An alien artifact causes Daniel to disappear, and the team looks for help from his institutionalized grandfather.

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jenniferhailey
May 3rd, 2004, 10:12 AM
This was yet another fantastic episode. Lots of humor. And Rothman just rocks I love him so much. Shame about what happens in "The First Ones."

Nick Ballard disappeared never to return. Or be mentioned. So many threads from Series 1,2,3 left. Nyan, Garshaw, the little reetou boy Charlie...

Lugal
May 24th, 2004, 05:10 PM
This was yet another fantastic episode. Lots of humor. And Rothman just rocks I love him so much. Shame about what happens in "The First Ones."

Nick Ballard disappeared never to return. Or be mentioned. So many threads from Series 1,2,3 left. Nyan, Garshaw, the little reetou boy Charlie...

Nick may be back in Season 8.

SeaBee
June 19th, 2004, 06:46 AM
This was a good ep., but......

If Daniel could walk thru walls, doors, etc., the how come he didn't sink thru the floors? And how did he sit down?

Only a small point, but it's always bugged me.

Iskandra
June 19th, 2004, 07:24 AM
This was a good ep., but......

If Daniel could walk thru walls, doors, etc., the how come he didn't sink thru the floors? And how did he sit down?

Only a small point, but it's always bugged me.

I think that's one of those questions that keep being asked with all these "out of phase" episodes in scifi series...I think it's just concentration ;)

I was wondering about the real crystal skulls, though...they *do* exist....

Mr Prophet
June 19th, 2004, 07:35 AM
If Daniel could walk thru walls, doors, etc., the how come he didn't sink thru the floors?

Well, he's 90 degrees out of phase and the floor is at 90 degrees to the walls. :p

Iskandra
June 19th, 2004, 09:35 AM
Well, he's 90 degrees out of phase and the floor is at 90 degrees to the walls. :p
Wouldn't he fall through the floor then if he stumbled? :D

Mr Prophet
June 19th, 2004, 10:25 AM
Wouldn't he fall through the floor then if he stumbled? :D

Well, if he caught himself on his hands he might only fall through 80%...so I guess he might fall through a wheelchair ramp.

Anubis
June 19th, 2004, 10:27 AM
I think that's the problem. What if he fell through the floor, doors and the bed he was sitting on. Strange!

Roatbaum
June 19th, 2004, 11:08 AM
I think that the writers do things for effect rather than scientific reality sometimes. it is afterall a television show

Apepi
June 19th, 2004, 11:15 AM
Thats it,its a tv show,we use our imaginations.But it is a bloody good point tho :eek:

Madeleine
June 19th, 2004, 10:49 PM
This is the official explanation for why Daniel doesn't fall through the floor:

When Daniel touched the crystal skull all the molecules in his body were -
Hey, Look over there! A Furling! Nyan! A Reetu! Lord Lucan and Shergar!

bcmilco
June 19th, 2004, 11:33 PM
LOL!

Anubis
June 20th, 2004, 12:29 AM
Hehe! You're such a joker!

Iskandra
June 20th, 2004, 07:34 AM
Lord Lucan? So that's where he's gone...I thought he died on that remote island somewhere....:D

I'm a member of one of those history reenactment sites...it's called HistoryWalker and has a 3D map...guess what they're doing next week - an interactive mystery called "Mystery of the Crystal Skulls" ;)

bcmilco
June 20th, 2004, 11:01 AM
I'm a member of one of those history reenactment sites...it's called HistoryWalker and has a 3D map...guess what they're doing next week - an interactive mystery called "Mystery of the Crystal Skulls" ;)

SO who gets to look into the eyes of the skull? :D O:-)

Iskandra
June 20th, 2004, 11:07 AM
I already told them I wouldn't do it ;)

stargate barbie
June 20th, 2004, 02:57 PM
This is the official explanation for why Daniel doesn't fall through the floor:

When Daniel touched the crystal skull all the molecules in his body were -
Hey, Look over there! A Furling! Nyan! A Reetu! Lord Lucan and Shergar!
what about loran, the lindberg baby and Amelia Earhart?
seriously though what the heck happened to nyan?! hey, wait a sec, they're decoy worked!

fun episode though.

__________________________
P.S i know someone who claims to have shergar in her locker so, mysery solved! :D

stargate barbie
June 20th, 2004, 03:02 PM
I already told them I wouldn't do it ;)
i'll do it! that could be fun. one question though. shouldn't daniel have starved to death or at the very least been seriously dehydrated? or does being out of phase mean that you're immune to the general laws of biology?

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 07:46 PM
The smoky giants are cool... I hope we will see nick again.

AgentX
July 10th, 2004, 08:05 PM
Upon rewatching Crystal Skull I have to say it had some very very funny lines, both coming from Jack. Substituting "Nintendos" for "Neutrinos" and his: "Ya don't say" after Carter says she has to see the cavern as well.

This reminded me a bit of the TNG episode: The Next Phase, but it was sufficiently different for me to enjoy it greatly. #8 on my list of best episodes ever.

Animalian
July 12th, 2004, 11:38 AM
I love this one. He was just too funny!

FRAISER: Apparently his failure to prove the crystal skull was more than just a curiosity caused a severe mental breakdown from which he's never recovered. Nick checked himself in.

CARTER: Why wouldn't Daniel have told us that?

DANIEL: Oh yes, by the way, he's insane.

aAnubiSs
July 12th, 2004, 11:45 AM
Now we must wait for the giant alieeeeeeeens.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 05:51 PM
In one of the DVD extras... it is said that the crystal skull cave was the first SG-1 virtual set.

greytop
July 15th, 2004, 06:25 PM
I like the part when Nick could see and hear Daniel. They went to see Jack and Hammond.

Nick told them that he, Daniel, was right next to him. Jack said something.
Daniel: Jack, don't be such an ass.
NicK: Jack, don't be such an ass.
The look on their faces were funny. :)

Ancient
July 19th, 2004, 05:47 PM
i liked this episode becasue it related to the personal lifes of the characters rrather than being a standard recon i think its interesting to seee the backstories for the characters that are developed

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 06:06 PM
It was very funny when Nick could seen Danny but didn't let him know.

aschen
August 9th, 2004, 07:05 PM
I saw this ep today on Scifi yet again, and was wondering...just how the hell do those alien beings know the Goa'uld? They're obviously pretty chill beings...but what exactly are they?

Elwe Singollo
August 9th, 2004, 07:09 PM
I jut finished watching it too, i was wondering the samething. It would be a big "what the heck", if it was a furling?!!? But thats too farfetched imo, haha...

aschen
August 9th, 2004, 07:13 PM
Yeah...that would be an awefully far stretch, even for SG-1. I've made the assumption that they were taken as their deities or something... Which is understandable, I mean...look at them! But since we never hear from them again (which seems to be the case with all such amazing beings,) I guess it's kinda...void. =/

crazylinguist
August 9th, 2004, 07:21 PM
I saw this ep today on Scifi yet again, and was wondering...just how the hell do those alien beings know the Goa'uld? They're obviously pretty chill beings...but what exactly are they?

I don't know how they know the Goa'uld but the credits have a character named Quetzalcoatl. In Mesoamerican mythology Quetzalcoatl is a god, or sometimes a king, that is central to their mythology. I don't know too much about him though.

norriski
August 9th, 2004, 08:02 PM
i'll do it! that could be fun. one question though. shouldn't daniel have starved to death or at the very least been seriously dehydrated? or does being out of phase mean that you're immune to the general laws of biology?
Danile mentioned his lack of thirst and hunger in the episode when he started thinking that he might be dead...other than that it wasn't really addressed.

I will say that I loved this episode, can really place a finger on one reason why, just loved the way the story progressed, and the little insite into Daniels background.

Elwe Singollo
August 10th, 2004, 12:13 AM
I don't know how they know the Goa'uld but the credits have a character named Quetzalcoatl. In Mesoamerican mythology Quetzalcoatl is a god, or sometimes a king, that is central to their mythology. I don't know too much about him though.I think if i remember, isn't quetzalcoatl somekind of thunder-ish god of some sort???

AgentX
August 10th, 2004, 09:49 AM
Quetzacotl originated as a water god due to the first myth he appeared in, something to do with the him being the feathered serpent of ancient mexico. Somewhere along the way the serpent came to mean a different thing and then he became god of human sustenence, penitent, self-sacrifice, re-birth and get this....butterflies.

greytop
August 10th, 2004, 09:55 AM
And he must of been a good god at that to have the Gou'ald as enemies.

Lugal
September 4th, 2004, 07:09 PM
*Nitpick Warning*

After rewatching this one again, I noticed that Daniel mentions the skull was carved "against the grain" but there really isn't a "grain" when carving quartz.

Mr Prophet
September 5th, 2004, 12:06 AM
There's a crystal structure though. You'd normally have to cut along that or you'd have bits cracking off all over the shop.

Lugal
September 5th, 2004, 04:19 PM
There's a crystal structure though. You'd normally have to cut along that or you'd have bits cracking off all over the shop.

With other materials like kunzite or topaz that is a problem, but not quartz. I've cut quartz at many different angles and the only times I've had pieces breaking off is when I've had flaws, dull saw blades, and too much heat.

Since lapidary technology has not changed in thousands of years (although electric motors and diamond abrasives have made it much easier :)) it would have been carved the same way as now, with progressively finer abrasives. (unless the Giant Aliens have some completely new lapidary technology, which I would love to see)

Mr Prophet
September 6th, 2004, 08:43 AM
Oops. Didn't realise I was talking to a pro. Is it definitely quartz, though? I could have sworn it was something funkier.

Lugal
September 6th, 2004, 09:19 AM
Oops. Didn't realise I was talking to a pro. Is it definitely quartz, though? I could have sworn it was something funkier.

It sure looked like quartz with lots of inclusions, and that was what the real crystal skulls were carved from. Today, however you can get skulls carved out of pretty much anything. A friend says skulls carved out of hematite remind him of the Terminator.

Liv
September 10th, 2004, 05:41 AM
One of my favorite episodes of season three (and there are lots of them in this season).

Great sense of humour through it all. I loved the following:

O'Neill: "Look, Im sick of laying around. Help me up."
Teal'c: "Dr. Fraiser believes you are not strong enough to undertake such a mission."
O'Neill: "Yeah, whatever."
Gets off the bed and falls to the floor.
Teal'c: "Dr. Fraiser is usually correct in such matters."
Throws O'Neill onto the bed.
O'Neill: (muffled) "Thank you."

That scene is just hilarious.

Also, when they're all waiting to see Nick and the nurse asks if they're close, Teal'c says: "Yes, extremely". The tone of his voice is just too funny.

Then there's Rothman, and Daniel's various reactions to the team's efforts, the giant alien and... the list goes on.

There's only one thing I don't like and that's the close-ups of them running across the bridge. Could that look any more fake? I sincerely doubt it.

But it's still a classic episode in my book.

Athenaktt
September 10th, 2004, 10:16 AM
One of my favorite episodes of season three (and there are lots of them in this season).

Great sense of humour through it all. I loved the following:

O'Neill: "Look, Im sick of laying around. Help me up."
Teal'c: "Dr. Fraiser believes you are not strong enough to undertake such a mission."
O'Neill: "Yeah, whatever."
Gets off the bed and falls to the floor.
Teal'c: "Dr. Fraiser is usually correct in such matters."
Throws O'Neill onto the bed.
O'Neill: (muffled) "Thank you."

That scene is just hilarious.

Also, when they're all waiting to see Nick and the nurse asks if they're close, Teal'c says: "Yes, extremely". The tone of his voice is just too funny.

Then there's Rothman, and Daniel's various reactions to the team's efforts, the giant alien and... the list goes on.

There's only one thing I don't like and that's the close-ups of them running across the bridge. Could that look any more fake? I sincerely doubt it.

But it's still a classic episode in my book.


I just saw this episode for like the tenth time last night, and I have to agree with everything you said. Another of my favorite part is when jacks says "Hey If you've been listening, Nintendos goes to everything...everything." That line always gets me cracking every time. :)

Major Fischer
September 10th, 2004, 10:24 AM
I crack up every time I see the look on Janet's face when Nick goes "Jack don't be an ass."

Madeleine
September 10th, 2004, 07:09 PM
Then there's Rothman,

I love Siler's line to him - "I think you're going to get fired".

jyh
September 12th, 2004, 05:04 PM
Here's something cool to think about....

In this episode "Crystal Skull," we know that Daniel's grandfather is his only living relative, and he calls him by his first name, Nicholas. However, at the very end of the ep, when Nicholas stays on the alient world with the giants, Daniel says what may be his final goodbye, and says "Goodbye, grandpa."

Well.... today I happened to see an episode of MacGyver on TVLand. MacGyver's grandfather Harry, who was his only living relative, is dying or has died, and MacGyver is also injured and stuck between life & death. In his near-death state, he sees his parents & grandfather on a cruise ship, which signifies the afterlife journey. MacGyver has always called his grandfather Harry, and Harry convinces MacGyver to fight for his life because he has a lot of stuff yet to do. MacGyver agrees, and gets ready to leave the cruise ship. In his last moment, MacGyver says "Goodbye, grandpa."

Isn't that odd? In both instances, grandfather is only living relative... each is always called by first name.... when saying goodbye, both Mac & Daniel say the same thing: "Goodbye, Grandpa."



Kewl.


:cool:

Spiderman
September 19th, 2004, 07:47 AM
I just saw this episode for like the tenth time last night, and I have to agree with everything you said. Another of my favorite part is when jacks says "Hey If you've been listening, Nintendos goes to everything...everything." That line always gets me cracking every time. :)
HAHAHA yes I liked the episode too.It has been a while so maybe I'll watch it toonight.I really liked the giants and that scence with Teal'c and Jack :D :D :D :D :D Yeah LOL

Daniel's_twin
September 28th, 2004, 08:12 AM
That part, and when Jack tries to get out of bed, falls down, and Teal'c just plops him back on the bed are the funniest parts of this show.

Does anyone think that they will continue the giant aliens at all? I think it would be really cool, tho it doesn't look like they will. :(

Daniel's Sister
October 22nd, 2004, 12:14 PM
I hope they do Daniel's_twin. And I also like the part when Frasher tells everyone ( highlight) that Nick lives in a mental home, and Daniel does that thumb and index finger thing on the bridge of the nose.And says 'Oh no you didn't.' I love that part! ;)

greytop
October 22nd, 2004, 12:17 PM
Does anyone think that they will continue the giant aliens at all? I think it would be really cool, tho it doesn't look like they will. :(
They should. I want to know what happens to good old Nick.

Lord Zedd
October 27th, 2004, 02:53 AM
Great episode where we saw the giants.I hope we get to see them again. When Nick said against Jack:Jack don't be an ass and he looked very surprised.I loved that scene :D

Symobolt
November 12th, 2004, 12:22 PM
I just watched the episode for the first time.

I liked it very much cause it brought back the magical feel of Stargate the movie - you know, Dänikenian exploration and all of earth's mythology actually being based on past alien presence and stuff ;) I also loved the humor in it.

Complaining:

-not only should Daniel be starving, dehydrated and falling through the floor down to China, but he should also choke the moment he was transformed - air should pass through him as well, making it impossible for him to breathe! :p Also, he shouldn't be able to hear anything, since the soundwaves could not interact with his inner ear - for the same reason (air passing through his body)

-Nick is Daniel Jackson's grandfather, but he speaks with a strong Eastern-European accent. The surname is almost always passed on along the male line, so we have to assume that Nick's surname is Jackson as well. And Jackson is hardly an Eastern-European name, is it? :D I bet the writers added the accent to the character to give him a kind of continential credibility (a very old archeologist with a Polish accent is more believable as a character, than one with an American accent. Also, an old archeologist with an American accent would be too much like Indiana Jones's father :)). Also, it makes the character seem older than the actor really is...

-the cavern scenes contain the worst bluebox shots I've seen in years. Take a close look at the part where SG1 returns to the cavern with Nick and the skull. There's an overhead shot of them walking towards the pedestal, passing by the melp. Just before the shot changes, we can see Tealc's head partly disappear - he must have passed under a protruding part of the bluescreen set...

greytop
November 12th, 2004, 12:37 PM
Great episode where we saw the giants.I hope we get to see them again. When Nick said against Jack:Jack don't be an ass and he looked very surprised.I loved that scene :D
MP should be happy with this show. The giants are the Furlings according to him. :p

Mr Prophet
November 12th, 2004, 12:43 PM
MP should be happy with this show. The giants are the Furlings according to him. :p

Did those look like ninja Buddhist killing machines to you? I think not.

Daniel's_twin
November 12th, 2004, 12:58 PM
Hey! I have theory why Daniel didn't fall through the floor! Essentially, he was in an alternate dimension in which the giant aliens lived while it still could interact with our dimension. The walls and stuff that Daniel walked through didn't really exist in that dimension, so he could walk through it like air because in his dimension, that's all that there was. He could just see what he was going to walk through. But the planet was still there under his feet.

Ok, this sounded a lot better when I first thought about it. :cool:

greytop
November 12th, 2004, 01:13 PM
Hey! I have theory why Daniel didn't fall through the floor! Essentially, he was in an alternate dimension in which the giant aliens lived while it still could interact with our dimension. The walls and stuff that Daniel walked through didn't really exist in that dimension, so he could walk through it like air because in his dimension, that's all that there was. He could just see what he was going to walk through. But the planet was still there under his feet.

Ok, this sounded a lot better when I first thought about it. :cool:
You have the best explaintion I have heard so far, about why Daniel can do what he could do.

Major Clanger
November 12th, 2004, 04:55 PM
-Nick is Daniel Jackson's grandfather, but he speaks with a strong Eastern-European accent. The surname is almost always passed on along the male line, so we have to assume that Nick's surname is Jackson as well. And Jackson is hardly an Eastern-European name, is it? :D I bet the writers added the accent to the character to give him a kind of continential credibility (a very old archeologist with a Polish accent is more believable as a character, than one with an American accent. Also, an old archeologist with an American accent would be too much like Indiana Jones's father :)). Also, it makes the character seem older than the actor really is...
Later on (S4 The Other Side) we learn that Nick Ballard is Dutch.

As for the name. My maternal granfather's name isn't the same as my maiden name. Even before I was married, his name wasn't the same as mine. So we can deduce, Watson, that Nick is Daniel's late mother's father.

greytop
November 12th, 2004, 05:07 PM
Later on (S4 The Other Side) we learn that Nick Ballard is Dutch.

As for the name. My maternal granfather's name isn't the same as my maiden name. Even before I was married, his name wasn't the same as mine. So we can deduce, Watson, that Nick is Daniel's late mother's father.
I do my family history and should fit in and if I thought about it long enough I probably would have thought of it.

This time :) :D , I bow to the power of the spoon. :) :D

Symobolt
November 13th, 2004, 01:19 PM
Later on (S4 The Other Side) we learn that Nick Ballard is Dutch.

As for the name. My maternal granfather's name isn't the same as my maiden name. Even before I was married, his name wasn't the same as mine. So we can deduce, Watson, that Nick is Daniel's late mother's father.

Got me there, Sherlotte. Wow, it amazes me how silly can I sometimes be being :D

Vapor
November 18th, 2004, 09:02 AM
This ep was aiight. Sad to hear they didn't follow up on the Nick-story all this time though... :(

Dana_Jeanne
November 18th, 2004, 10:58 AM
This ep was aiight. Sad to hear they didn't follow up on the Nick-story all this time though... :(

I love this episode, it's one of my favorites. I really, really, REALLY hope that they do a follow-up to it in S9. I mean, they just left poor old Nick there with the Giant Aliens! And wouldn't you wonder about the technology they would have?

Dana Jeanne

LMichelle
November 19th, 2004, 12:56 PM
I agree, Dana Jeanne. I wish they'd do a follow-up episode. I'd like to see Daniel reunited with his grandfather. Poor Daniel. He has no relatives left besides Nick. :(

Mayaboy
December 8th, 2004, 12:18 PM
I'm a Maya archaeologist, and I provided the ancient Maya translation for this episode. Don't look for me in the credits, "all I got was a lousy t-shirt" (seriously, they wouldn't even give me a hat after using my Ph.D. level knowledge of ancient Maya, just the t-shirt). I'm not dissing the episode (although I was not as impressed as other episodes), but I really wish they'd have done more with the ancient Maya in this series. There is sooooo much ancient Maya mythology and history that would fit into SG-1 mythology! Hope everyone enjoyed the episode, though. I worked for a week on how to translate "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" into a language that is not spoken any more. Just shows how much detail is involved in every episode of this show.

Mayaboy
December 8th, 2004, 12:37 PM
P.S. I always thought that they were trying to name Nick after William Bullard - a famous Maya archaeologist from the 1960's who worked in Belize.

Hathor999
December 8th, 2004, 02:04 PM
I'm a Maya archaeologist, and I provided the ancient Maya translation for this episode. Don't look for me in the credits, "all I got was a lousy t-shirt" (seriously, they wouldn't even give me a hat after using my Ph.D. level knowledge of ancient Maya, just the t-shirt). I'm not dissing the episode (although I was not as impressed as other episodes), but I really wish they'd have done more with the ancient Maya in this series. There is sooooo much ancient Maya mythology and history that would fit into SG-1 mythology! Hope everyone enjoyed the episode, though. I worked for a week on how to translate "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" into a language that is not spoken any more. Just shows how much detail is involved in every episode of this show.

I like Crystal Skull. It was my introduction into the world of Stargate. I don´t think that it was a perfect episode but an interesting look into Daniels past. I would love it, too, if there would be some more Maya mythology in the show. The problem is that I don´t think that we will have in the future very much mythology. The PTB decided that they want have a X-Files/Star Trek mix and there is no longer very much place for the history/archeology/mythology aspect. :(
And it´s interesting to meet someone on this board who is archeologist. I think it´s very fascinating ocupation.

Daniel's_twin
December 8th, 2004, 02:09 PM
Maybe they'll remedy that for the ninth season. :cool:

greytop
December 10th, 2004, 04:06 PM
I was just thinking, if they go back to visit Nick maybe we see what it looks like outside of pyrmid when they are out of phase from the skull. Are there other people living there? Will Teal'c become out of phase with them since he has no symboit?

Iskandra
December 18th, 2004, 03:04 AM
I'm a Maya archaeologist, and I provided the ancient Maya translation for this episode. Don't look for me in the credits, "all I got was a lousy t-shirt" (seriously, they wouldn't even give me a hat after using my Ph.D. level knowledge of ancient Maya, just the t-shirt). I'm not dissing the episode (although I was not as impressed as other episodes), but I really wish they'd have done more with the ancient Maya in this series. There is sooooo much ancient Maya mythology and history that would fit into SG-1 mythology! Hope everyone enjoyed the episode, though. I worked for a week on how to translate "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" into a language that is not spoken any more. Just shows how much detail is involved in every episode of this show.

Hey cool - I'm an Egyptologist!!!!

So Stargate isn't too "dumb" or something for "us"!
Hopefully at least the t-shirt is nice ;)

PugGate
March 7th, 2005, 07:02 PM
The scene with Rothman trying to get zapped by the skull was hilarious

PugGate
March 7th, 2005, 07:04 PM
I wonder if the giant ghosty person is a Furling. I hope they bring them back in a future episode. After all, they are enemies of the Goa'uld

SmartFox
March 10th, 2005, 08:22 PM
I wonder if the giant ghosty person is a Furling. I hope they bring them back in a future episode. After all, they are enemies of the Goa'uld


Yea me too. They seem to have some real power and technology. Hopefully it isn't another one of those 1 episode story lines like so many are.

valaCB
March 28th, 2005, 04:19 AM
I love the giant, he is so sweet :)
and Jack was funny falling from the bed...lol
the epi was slow at the beginning but was interesting later .
i hope we will see Nick in the future

Spimman
March 28th, 2005, 08:05 AM
Those who read this thread my appreciate the stupidity of the individual who gave me red reputation points because of my Signature...even after he saw my avatar...burns me up...just because he is so stupid...normally I might not mind so much. He gave me neg and said my signature confused him.

valaCB
March 28th, 2005, 10:06 AM
Those who read this thread my appreciate the stupidity of the individual who gave me red reputation points because of my Signature...even after he saw my avatar...burns me up...just because he is so stupid...normally I might not mind so much. He gave me neg and said my signature confused him.

wow! you really like this epi Spimman :D
I like you sig and avatar!!!

I want Vala's avatar!!! :rolleyes:

Spimman
March 28th, 2005, 12:52 PM
Yeah, I used to have the Knox lead guy and the quote was, "Someday you will realize your way is not the only way." I could be a little off on that quote...I found too many people had that avatar so I switched, I just really like cool SG-1 quotes.

valaCB
March 28th, 2005, 08:32 PM
Yeah, I used to have the Knox lead guy and the quote was, "Someday you will realize your way is not the only way." I could be a little off on that quote...I found too many people had that avatar so I switched, I just really like cool SG-1 quotes.

yes, and this is a really fine Q.
very smart one.
do you have one for me. i only saw till epi 4X3...

QuiGonJohn
May 12th, 2005, 05:49 PM
I liked this episode becasue it related to the personal lifes of the characters rrather than being a standard recon. I think it's interesting to see the backstories for the characters that are developed.

I agree. This was a really good episode and very entertaining. I thought of Patrick Swayze in Ghost, as well. I said Daniel needs to go on the subway and find that guy who can teach him how to move things. :D

Anyway, that also made me wonder about the floor, stairs, sitting on the bed, etc. I always wondered about that in Ghost, as well.

Before I saw the giant alien, I thought Nick's description kinda sounded like the ascendeds, (Oma Desala, etc.), except for the giant part.


Also, when they're all waiting to see Nick and the nurse asks if they're close, Teal'c says: "Yes, extremely". The tone of his voice is just too funny.

That part reminded me of the Kirk/Spock dialogue in Star Trek 4, when they are in Gillian's truck discussing what to eat.


The problem is that I don´t think that we will have in the future very much mythology. The PTB decided that they want have a X-Files/Star Trek mix and there is no longer very much place for the history/archeology/mythology aspect. :(

I hope they didn't do that. I'm new to SG, watching on the DVD's. The mythology and exploration aspects are some of the things that really set Stargate apart from some of the other stuff you mentioned. Why do production companies/networks always have to dumb-down things?

Perriman33
August 11th, 2005, 11:25 PM
This was great I like the whole exploration thing. It was a good story and daniel was funny. Nick was very good as well, him and daniel made their relationship seem real.
The pyramid was cool and the giant aliens were .....well giant! I wish they could have gone back to this one even if it meant the giant aliens were too busy to help us. Mind you with most SG aliens it would have meant us helping them! :)
*Watch out for them nintendos* :D as jack would say!

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 02:45 AM
MS was funny in this episode and it suited him, shame the giant aliens and Nick have never been seen since!

Tezzador
September 8th, 2005, 04:37 AM
Yea, it was supposed to be a trade rite? So Nick should have come back to share his newly learnt knowledge.

Ascendant
September 8th, 2005, 02:06 PM
I liked it very much cause it brought back the magical feel of Stargate the movie - you know, Dänikenian exploration and all of earth's mythology actually being based on past alien presence and stuff ;)
That's a perfect way to put it, though I have no clue what "Dänikenian" means. I adore these archeology episodes - this one, "The Tomb" and "The Curse" are some of my very favorites. The Giant Alien was SO cool (mad props to Mayaboy for the translation!) and it was fun having Daniel out of phase from everyone else. I think it would have been great to have him see what kind of mischief he could cause as an invisible man, but the episode had enough humor as it was. I love the scene where Jack flops off the bed, as well as Daniel's "Wait, what, that's it? What ever happened to staying up all night? ...I'd do it for you..."

But my favorite exchange in the episode was near the end:

Nick: Now ve must vait for de giaant ay-liens.
Jack: ...That just has a nice ring to it.

And unlike many, I thought the cavern shots looked great. It didn't look real, but it did look cool. Like...I dunno, like SG-1 was walking through a minature model or something.

The only problem is the ending. It seems like it got cut off because the ran out of time. It leaves us wondering what happened next. I figure it's something like:

Daniel: Thanks...grandpa.
(Awkward silence)
Carter: So now what? The script just kinda cuts off.
Giant Alien: Yeah, so...if you ever need me, just drop me a line. I can reach stuff on the top shelf...and.......stuff....
O'Niell: Okay, cool. Um. So, be seeing you around then?
Giant Alien: Yeah, yeah. Watch out for Nintendos on your way out. Heh...heh.

Ascendant
September 8th, 2005, 10:06 PM
Oh yeah...and did anyone else notice the deadpan way Teal'c shot the skull with the zat gun? It was exactly the same way that he shot the missile engines in 1969. It's hilarious. It's like his fix-all solution for everything.

walter_MacChevron
September 15th, 2005, 08:26 PM
Yeah great episode, stinks that they repeated this in season 9......and TPTB probably won't follow up on this story.......oh well

Metarock Sam
September 23rd, 2005, 11:46 AM
No they havnt repeated this it just so happens that Mitchell and Carter go out of phase in a hunt for Sodan warriors who have dissapeared.
I hope they do bring back Quezquatol and Nick as it would be great to see them both again.

HirogenGater
February 4th, 2006, 12:21 PM
No they havnt repeated this it just so happens that Mitchell and Carter go out of phase in a hunt for Sodan warriors who have dissapeared.
I hope they do bring back Quezquatol and Nick as it would be great to see them both again.
Agreed

JoshuaJSlone
February 28th, 2006, 05:22 PM
That's a perfect way to put it, though I have no clue what "Dänikenian" means.
Erich von Däniken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken) is one of the better-known real-world proponents of the ancient astronaut theory.

Otera
March 1st, 2006, 04:36 PM
I think if i remember, isn't quetzalcoatl somekind of thunder-ish god of some sort???

I happen to be an Aztec obsesee, and Quetzalcoatl was the Feathered Serpent god who left his people, traveling east over the ocean, telling them that he would return "in the first year of the Reed, in the form of a bearded man with pale skin" from the east. A "reed" is a period of 1000 years, and Cortez came in the first year of the reed... the rest is history...
:daniel:
Yes, I know I'm a geek...

captain jake
May 12th, 2006, 07:59 PM
interesting!!

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 11:25 PM
yeah i noticed the first time i noticed the Giant aliens voice is teal'c i didnt notice that and i thought about it and i said mmm odd

Bremp
July 30th, 2006, 08:21 AM
Holy smoke!

Deus Ex Machina
August 3rd, 2006, 04:53 PM
Do you think Nicholas Ballard will ever return to Earth? I was watching the Crystal Skull episode recently and realized that he never came back. Just one episode could finish bringing him back and maybe just make it a flashback episode so they could place it into the Stargate storyline such as before the Ori episodes or something. Then they could pull up ideas that Nicholas learned from quetlzelcoatl and the giant aliens. It just seems like this has been forgotten.

Descent
August 3rd, 2006, 07:50 PM
I think I read somewhere that the guy who played Ballard died a year ago or something...could be wrong of course.

Deus Ex Machina
August 4th, 2006, 05:58 AM
It doesn't have to be the original actor it can be someone else that resembles him like in Stargate Atlantis where they had two different actors play as the Wraith Michael. This could be a flashback episode or maybe make it a key for defeating the Ori or something.

Enemyone
August 4th, 2006, 06:32 AM
i was actually thinking someting like this becasue that episode put Daniel out of phase with this one couldnt the enemy have been the ORI and not the snakes. I mean it would almost be fitting, and my thoughts are that he would return younger than when he left but thats only my thought.

Meghan Flaine
August 4th, 2006, 12:30 PM
Hey, this is my first post and I love this ep. I thoroughly agree it would be great to see Nick back. He was a great character, although a lot of that was down to the lovely old guy that played him, somebody Rubis(sh) wasn't it. I hadn't heard he'd died, and it would be a great loss if he has, but there are loads of ways they could make another actor acceptable. Poor ole Daniel could do with a relly too! I sat in on Mesoamerican lectures last term (I'm doing Egyptian Archaeology myself) and found it all fascinating. Love the art works and their calendrical system.
Meghan.

Descent
August 4th, 2006, 01:18 PM
It doesn't have to be the original actor it can be someone else that resembles him like in Stargate Atlantis where they had two different actors play as the Wraith Michael. This could be a flashback episode or maybe make it a key for defeating the Ori or something.

It's...not that simple. Brent Strait (Michael in Allies, Ferreti in Season 1) out of make up, looks nothing like Conner Trinneer. Only because of the Wraith make up applied to him were they able to bear a similarity.

But hey, I have no problems bringing him back if they could, I was just saying. :cameron08:

JLB
August 14th, 2006, 06:20 PM
I don't know if anyone's brought up this topic in this Crystal Skull thread. But it's usually brought up whenever phasing occurs. Why don't people fall through the floor.

I think it's gravity. I'm not sure how to phrase it exactly, but it would also exert force from below through the planet.

Daniel's_twin
August 14th, 2006, 06:22 PM
It's already been explained a couple of times. But I don't remember where, so I'll just give it again.

Daniel wasn't so much out of phase so much as he was partially transmitted to a parallel dimension. In that dimension, the earth could exist and Daniel could see and hear it, but because he was technically in that alternate dimension (where the earth's mass may exist but humans weren't there to build any of the structures), he wouldn't be able to interact with anything in our dimensional plane.

Complicated yes, but it's basically what they use later on. :cool:

JLB
August 14th, 2006, 06:31 PM
It's...not that simple. Brent Strait (Michael in Allies, Ferreti in Season 1) out of make up, looks nothing like Conner Trinneer. Only because of the Wraith make up applied to him were they able to bear a similarity.

But hey, I have no problems bringing him back if they could, I was just saying. :cameron08:

If they treat it like an Acension thing then he could come back deaged.

saberhagen83
August 17th, 2006, 12:52 PM
I truly hope that they will go into this story a bit more. Would like to know if Nick ever returns, he was supposed to tell Daniel all about his experience one day. I would also like to know more about these giant aliens. To bad they couldn't use "Arthur's Mantle" to work more into the "Crystal Skull" story.

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 17th, 2006, 01:24 PM
I loved this episode - the tension when Daniel thinks that he may be dead and Sam gets a shiver, lol. I love misleading moments like that.:)

stewsith
August 27th, 2006, 04:32 PM
I watched this on dvd recently and was reminded how much i liked it. Daniels grandfather should come back someday and tell us what he learnt, mind you, he was getting very old. season 9 spoilers- Maybe they can pull an orlin and bring him back as a young boy...;)

hotstepper
October 6th, 2006, 03:33 PM
just saw it . Its funny how the majority of times you can tell what is going to be a good episode by reading the description of it. This was kinda like raiders of the lost ark meets stargate. loved it.

Arga
October 7th, 2006, 04:09 AM
I found it very touching when general Hammond is on the phone with his grand daughter and says
:hammond:
"I’d love to come to see you in your school play tomorrow night, sweetheart, but can’t. Well, a very close friend of mine is lost and he needs my help. Yes, he’s a very close friend. I hope so too".

And Daniel actually listens to this but Hammond doesn't know. It really shows how nice George is and doesn't consider the situation as "I've got a problem at work", but as helping a friend, not a colleague. That was a great moment in knowing Hammond, we also find out he has 2 grand daughters whom he loves very much.

saberhagen83
October 8th, 2006, 12:54 PM
I found it very touching when general Hammond is on the phone with his grand daughter and says
:hammond:
"I’d love to come to see you in your school play tomorrow night, sweetheart, but can’t. Well, a very close friend of mine is lost and he needs my help. Yes, he’s a very close friend. I hope so too".

And Daniel actually listens to this but Hammond doesn't know. It really shows how nice George is and doesn't consider the situation as "I've got a problem at work", but as helping a friend, not a colleague. That was a great moment in knowing Hammond, we also find out he has 2 grand daughters whom he loves very much.

I agree. It was actually one of my favourite scenes from that ep. As you say it shows a side of Hammond that we haven't really seen before. It really shows what kind of a General he is, he really cares for the people he work with, they are almoast like a family.

Sheppard
October 8th, 2006, 05:46 PM
George for president

Sheppard
October 9th, 2006, 05:07 AM
i actually wonder what happened to daniels grandfather he might still be in that pyramid if the ori haven't already destroyed it

Harlan's Speechwriter
July 18th, 2007, 09:17 PM
Another great episode. I love the way that they tie in ancient legend/culture with sci-fi. I hope Daniel gets to see Nick again, after losing his parents and wife.

Daniel's interactions with the others, when they couldn't see him, were both touching and funny. Seeing Robert examine the skull emphasises what a unique mind Daniel has.

The aliens were cool; I hope we see them again. Am I right in thinking that, as the Asgard tie-in with the Roswell Alien, these tall, grey aliens tie in with reports of aliens people claim to have seen?

Integrabyte
December 29th, 2007, 08:56 AM
Great episode, loved Mr. Ballard :D

Crichiel
January 20th, 2008, 07:20 PM
Just watched this one again tonight. I just love this one. I love Rothman in it. I love the team's concern over Daniel. I love Jack's fall out of the infirmary bed and his "Nintendo" explanation (and Daniel's non-response to his saying it incorrectly). Mostly I love all the invisible Daniel stuff. His sitting on the control room computers listening to the conversations about him. His 'participating' in the conversations even though he can't really. His overhearing the General's sweet phone call. Telling Nick "Wait, I didn't say that!", but my favourite is the moment he realises Nick can see him. I just love the way MS played it, barely adjusting his eyeline to look right at Nick and the slow move away from the wall. Beautiful. Top 10 episode for me. Maybe top 5.

P-90_177
February 6th, 2008, 03:22 AM
i really do love this episode. It is one of my favorites of all time but the vis effects guys did make a bit of a goof at the beginning..........seeing as that pyramid is in no possible way 1000 metres high.

Wormhole
February 6th, 2008, 07:22 AM
Hey, The Crystal Skull episode, one of my favourites and I’m pleased to say; I have closed a deal with someone who has that prop and I should have it in three months time:cool:. Will post pictures here when I get it:).

DeltaBlast
February 11th, 2008, 09:21 AM
I just watched this episode and it struck me as odd that they'd use the "Asgard theme" for these aliens. The moment they see the skull in the intro the Asgard music plays, so I thought the aliens were Asgard... made sense with the rest and I'd think the giant aliens would be holograms like Thor.. Guess not.

I really disliked all the inconsistancies that plague the "out of phase" stuff. I mean, other Scifi shows are known to deliver this kind of crappyness, but not SG1. Not to mention the horrible horrible bluescreen stuff :p Tealcs head even dissapears!

The music bothered me most though.

Ulkesh47
June 22nd, 2008, 10:18 PM
This was a pleasant surprise; a great episode! The concept was well-executed, and what a huge pyramid...

captain jake
June 30th, 2008, 10:03 PM
Not a bad episode, I wonder what the Goa'uld did to the "Giant Aliens" that made them so mad. Maybe the pyramid connection could have something to do with it. Perhaps the Goa'uld stole their Ha'tak class mother ship design from the giant aliens along with some other technology. I don't see how the Goa'uld could be able to kill or hurt the "Giant Aliens", which is why I suggested some sort of theft.

On a fun side note, I wonder if Daniel was stuck out of phase forever in a different reality. Like SG-1 tries to figure it out for a month and then they just let it go, give Daniel another funeral and he remains trapped forever.

HelloVelo
July 8th, 2008, 07:46 PM
Wait, wasn't Harrison Ford supposed to be in this one?

Rating: 6/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/crystal-skull.html

L E E
July 17th, 2008, 09:50 PM
the giant alien is cool. invisible daniel is funny. an okay episode.

gateship15
August 28th, 2008, 01:30 AM
this is a cool episode i just like the fact that no one but his grandfather could see him

stargatefan234
August 28th, 2008, 02:28 AM
Wait, wasn't Harrison Ford supposed to be in this one?

No, SG1 were supposed to be in INDIE 4 :p

_Famrir_
August 28th, 2008, 07:59 AM
gouald stole their pyramid idea

ZoSo
September 2nd, 2008, 08:41 PM
Poor, poor Daniel. The guys got no family left.

His parents die when he was 6. His wife died at the hands of Teal'c. He found his wife's son only to lose him again (though the boy is safe). And now he finally reunites with his grandpa only to lose him to the giant aliens. Poor guy.

What the hell happened to Grandpa anyway? The agreement was to exchange knowledge and culture, not give ours to them.

gateship15
September 4th, 2008, 12:49 AM
i don't know what happened to him. i agree about Danial i feel sorry for him to

Zalenka
September 4th, 2008, 02:11 AM
Not a bad episode, I wonder what the Goa'uld did to the "Giant Aliens" that made them so mad. Maybe the pyramid connection could have something to do with it. Perhaps the Goa'uld stole their Ha'tak class mother ship design from the giant aliens along with some other technology. I don't see how the Goa'uld could be able to kill or hurt the "Giant Aliens", which is why I suggested some sort of theft.


That would work. I've suggested myself that the Goa'uld must of got there knowledge from some advanced race. I've often thought that it might have been the Furlings.

People have siggested that the giant aliens may in fact be the Furlings.

gateship15
September 6th, 2008, 11:22 PM
that could be true and since it was said alot that the goa'uld are scavengers that still technology for there own means it is very likely that they stole something from the giant alians

Black_Sheep
September 12th, 2008, 05:46 PM
Good episode. Some great Teal'c moments here. There were many things on this episode that reminded me of Indiana Jones (though i have never been a big fan)

jyh
October 2nd, 2008, 04:02 PM
Does anyone have a screen-cap of the "giant aliens" from this episode? I saw this pic today, and it reminded me of them.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/defamer/2008/10/watchmen.jpg

(I know, I know, it's not perfect, but it reminded me of them.)

Verdande
October 21st, 2008, 12:43 PM
I got a little stuck on the "Wait, did they just leave Daniel's grandfather alone on an alien planet with the giant aliens, without food, water, or warm clothes?". Apart from that - I thought this was a really good episode. Funny and touching, and a well told story. Even if the effects were just plain awful. The blurry cave was so bad it was hard to look at.

The team stuff and the humorous scenes were great. And I just loved Daniel's running commentary on Rothman's ideas, and his "Oh yes, by the way, he's insane" about his grandfather. O'Neill in the infirmary is always funny, but I think his falling out of bed here was the funniest infirmary scene so far in the series. I've watched 64 episodes by now, and O'Neill has been injured in some way or other, in 27 of them. It's truly a wonder he's still alive! :jack:


my favourite is the moment he realises Nick can see him. I just love the way MS played it, barely adjusting his eyeline to look right at Nick and the slow move away from the wall. Beautiful.
I do agree, it was very well done.

gateship15
October 22nd, 2008, 12:30 AM
lol i love o neil getting hurt to. this is a funny episode and the running commentary by danial was great

JARVISBRODIE
October 26th, 2008, 06:22 PM
In ''CRYSTAL SKULL'', the shots of the wormhole event horizon did not look good. So, my question is what were the creators of these effect on the Stargate event horizon trying to pull?

gateship15
November 14th, 2008, 08:00 PM
i do not know if u ever find out let me know

kemo
November 28th, 2008, 05:11 PM
A similar comment may have already been made, but I don't believe there was ever any conclusion to this story in the following SG-1 seasons. Daniel's grandfather was simply left behind and that was the end of it... Seems a little strange to leave this potential storyline hanging.

hedwig
November 28th, 2008, 06:14 PM
A similar comment may have already been made, but I don't believe there was ever any conclusion to this story in the following SG-1 seasons. Daniel's grandfather was simply left behind and that was the end of it... Seems a little strange to leave this potential storyline hanging.

I agree. Though it seems there were several potential storylines left hanging and never revisited. Would have been interesting to see other characters at least once again to find out what became of them.

One of my favorite bits in this episode is in the control room where Daniel is sitting atop the cabinets or computers in the background while Jack is talking. I always get a chuckle out of that bit. Well, ... that and the bit in the infirmary where Jack falls out of the bed and Teal'c grabs him and plops him back on the bed.

gateship15
November 30th, 2008, 12:28 AM
i agree about the potential storyline hanging thing in an episode in the ninth season they left a potential story line hanging but i have a feeling that some of those story lines may have been planed to be completed but they didn't get time to because the show stopped.

i agree i think those moments are the funniest

helenmagnus23
November 30th, 2008, 12:37 AM
I love watching CRYSTAL SKULL it has a lot of great funny moment's and shipper moment's to very cool out of the episode my all time favorite scene is in the breafingroom and Sam and Jack are sitting pritty close and Daniel is talking about the planet and the skull and Jack say's about nintendo's :cool::jack::sam:

Awsome episode :cool:

hedwig
December 1st, 2008, 08:57 AM
I love watching CRYSTAL SKULL it has a lot of great funny moment's and shipper moment's to very cool out of the episode my all time favorite scene is in the breafingroom and Sam and Jack are sitting pritty close and Daniel is talking about the planet and the skull and Jack say's about nintendo's :cool::jack::sam:

Awsome episode :cool:

Oh yes ... thank you for reminding me. The scene in the briefing room ... Sam's knee is touching Jack's arm and neither of them seem to notice or care:).

Also love the scene at the beginning when Sam is commenting on how many particles pass through solid material - no matter how dense - and then comments on how many just passed through Jack ..... :D

gateship15
December 2nd, 2008, 11:35 PM
lol yes that was very funny.

Goose
December 7th, 2008, 03:09 PM
So I just finished watching this episode. It's really brilliant, and very funny. Nintendos... :)

gateship15
December 9th, 2008, 10:20 PM
u got to love the nitendos

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 01:21 PM
lmao ninendo's :D but why don't the giants ever make another appearance :(

gateship15
February 26th, 2009, 12:10 AM
maybe because like Daniels grandfather the storyline just ended because of stargate ending or maybe because they never were going to have them back who knows

balo
March 2nd, 2009, 07:55 AM
This was another great episode from season 3 . It had an Indiana Jones feel to it .

A lot of funny moments too.

I wish we could see Daniel's grandfather Nick in a later episode but I've been told that the actor who played him died a few months later :(

Rating 8 / 10

gateship15
March 3rd, 2009, 10:10 PM
thats sad does anyone know what age he died? but still that makes sence of why they didn't bring his grand father back

shinysign
March 12th, 2009, 08:44 PM
This was a great episode, I enjoyed the plot very much. I liked that part when he says something like:

"And now we must wait for the giant aliens."

and Jack goes: "That has a nice ring to it, doesn't it."

The whole episode was great and tight, I know people have a problem with the whole not falling through the floor thing, but that just requires a suspention of disbelief - Daniel falling through the floor to the bottom of a giant pyramid and just waiting there until he dies isn't really the best plot.

I agree this episode was so open to bring it back, in fact it almost requires a follow up - 10 seasons and Daniel isn't worried about his grandfather? Did they mention a time limit or anything, like, he'll stay with us for 2 months or 10 years or what? Well they still have a chance to bring it back in Stargate Universe! Though after 10 seasons of SG-1 and 5 seasons of Atlantis I doubt they will - Stargate is normally pretty good about not forgetting episodes like this, but oh well. Great episode!

gateship15
March 13th, 2009, 12:20 AM
i agree great episode

The Stig
April 26th, 2009, 02:48 PM
Ah the crystal skull. This episode was so good indiana jones had to copy it.

gateship15
May 2nd, 2009, 03:26 AM
lol true

Pic
May 26th, 2009, 12:29 PM
The best scene in this episode was Jack trying to leave the infirmary and falling down. I wonder how many "takes" it took to film that? LOL!

Also, I love it when Jack calls Janet a "Napoleonic power monger".

Tchernobyl
May 27th, 2009, 08:03 PM
Ah the crystal skull. This episode was so good indiana jones had to copy it.

Not quite :p the "legend" of the crystal skulls is about 100+ years old. Supposedly carved thousands of years ago, but the ones that exist at the moment are all fakes that are merely a few decades old.

gateship15
May 28th, 2009, 08:13 AM
wow thats interesting

General Jumper One
October 24th, 2009, 05:51 PM
In the book Stargate SG-1: The City of the Gods you find out everything about the skulls and the giants.:daniel:

gateship15
December 8th, 2009, 12:42 AM
oh ok so if u ant to know more you could read that

Tachyon
December 11th, 2009, 06:42 AM
Ah the crystal skull. This episode was so good indiana jones had to copy it.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

(And SG-1 did it better)

gateship15
December 11th, 2009, 10:01 AM
lol fantastic ep watched it again and still really really enjoyed it

PuddleJumper
January 13th, 2010, 01:30 PM
Does anyone know what happens to Daniel's grandfather? SG1 never returns to this planet so did they ever meet up again?

jelgate
January 13th, 2010, 04:01 PM
He is thrown into the hole of forgoten ideas. He and a Retu are playing chess while Jonas reads a book

mrscopterdoc
March 11th, 2010, 05:49 PM
Great episode. So many funny lines. Shame we never see Gramps again.

StargateWatcher
March 30th, 2010, 06:43 PM
Ah the crystal skull. This episode was so good indiana jones had to copy it.

in actuality, the Crystal Skull idea comes from real-life chrystal skulls which were found in Aztec excavation sites

in Indy, tho, some Asgard-lookin alien created it

Girlbot
June 11th, 2010, 10:13 AM
I really wish they would have pursued this story line, I would have like to see where it could have taken them.
Why didn't they go back to have the giants offer some help with the Ori, or better still pursue this storyline instead of the Ori, which wasn't my favorite one.

discodiva
June 23rd, 2010, 07:34 AM
Just watched this on TV.....this story never disappoints.....the whole feeling of it is perfect from start to finish...and a wonderful guest performance by Jan Rubes - may he rest in peace....this is probably in my Top 5 favourite episodes....:D


Deeds xx

Girlbot
June 23rd, 2010, 07:40 AM
I really loved how he conned them into taking him along:D
And the way he initially ignored Daniel.

rushy
July 3rd, 2010, 10:37 AM
Daniel was SOOOOOOOOOOOOO pissed off by the fact that he was a ghost.

rushy
July 3rd, 2010, 10:47 AM
Also, Indy's crystal skull story was better. I'll make the differences:

First we have a skull that turns you into a ghost. Now we have a skull that turns you crazy.
First we have giant aliens. Now we have crystal aliens.
First we have Daniel's grandpa. Now we have Indy's son.
First we have an idiot called Robert Rothman. Now we have an idiot called George McHale.
First we have Jack, Carter, Daniel and Teal'c. Now we have Indy, Marion, Mutt and McHale.
First we have the Ancients. Now we have extraterrestials.
First we have a pyramid. Now we have a temple.
Well, Indyana Jones is doing weirder.
SG-1
SG-1 finds a skull. Daniel changes into a ghost by it. SG-1 think he vanished. A crystal skull was also found by Grand Daniel. Grand Daniel finds Daniel. Grand Daniel stays with giant aliens.
Indyana Jones
Indy goes after a skull. Oxley changes into a nutter by it. Small Indy joins the team. Indy finds the skull.

maneth
September 4th, 2010, 09:40 AM
Great ep, I loved the aliens and the concept.

Darkland
September 18th, 2010, 10:30 PM
The plot-line was a bit boring for me but having Daniel as a "ghost" and being ignored by everyone except for Nick was hillarious. Great entertainment through out the episode.

Python
November 25th, 2010, 03:17 AM
One of my top 5 episodes.

To answer the "why doesn't Daniel fall through the floor" question, I thought it was pretty clear that he's not simply out of phase. If that were the case, he would be hungry and thirsty. He's in a special kind of state. People are able to sense his presence. Not just Nick, but Teal'c and Sam on another level.

FrodoFraggins
April 1st, 2011, 05:21 PM
9.0/10

Great use of humor in this episode. The CGI in the cavern is REALLY bad, but at least they tried something interesting.

AllyCat
April 13th, 2011, 08:33 PM
After re watching this episode again… I had to comment on a few things

O'Neill: "Look, Im sick of laying around. Help me up."
Teal'c: "Dr. Fraiser believes you are not strong enough to undertake such a mission."
O'Neill: "Yeah, whatever."
Gets off the bed and falls to the floor.
Teal'c: "Dr. Fraiser is usually correct in such matters."
Throws O'Neill onto the bed.
O'Neill: (muffled) "Thank you."

That has to be one of my all time SG1 scenes. It's made so much better by just how unfazed by Jack hitting the floor Teal'c is.

I also love how Daniel interacts with everyone even though they can not see him or hear him. And it truly is a heart warming scene when he realizes Nick can see him. Jack’s nintendo’s comment is just as awesome lol

Pond Hopper
May 1st, 2011, 07:16 PM
It's a shame there was never a follow up to this episode, I would have at least settled for a mention of it down the line. Maybe they never learned anything valuable from ze giant aliens.

Selkhet
May 2nd, 2011, 05:10 AM
9.0/10

Great use of humor in this episode. The CGI in the cavern is REALLY bad, but at least they tried something interesting.

Agreed. I'd love to see how they would do it today with better CGI capabilities.


It's a shame there was never a follow up to this episode, I would have at least settled for a mention of it down the line. Maybe they never learned anything valuable from ze giant aliens.

That would have been awesome! Maybe even something with them and the Ohnes. :tealc:

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 18th, 2011, 07:24 PM
I've always really liked this (despite the truly awful special effects), for no particular reason--actually, I think it's because there are so many good lines. Favorite lines:

"And what if that thing zaps you to wherever it sent Dr. Jackson?"

"Then I will have succeeded in locating him."

and

"What do you think?"

"I think you're gonna get fired."--probably the most unguarded statement ever made by Siler.

Jack: "Daniel said you should come along to make it work."

Daniel (right after Jack) : "Wait. I never said that. You're taking advantage of me."

Nicholas Ballard: "Yes."

Although I've never liked what seems to be a favorite scene: Jack making a fool of himself in the infirmary.

Seaboe

Krisz
October 22nd, 2011, 11:41 AM
I agree, so many good lines in this one!

DANIEL: I am real, I'm not a hallucination!
NICK: Hallucinations always say that.

The stories surrounding the crystal skull have always fascinated me from the first time I saw the one in the British Museum as a child. Even though it's subject to much speculation as to who made it, and the one said to be discovered in Belize, it's still astounding that something so precise and perfect was created from crystal. I'd like to believe that it was made by the Mayans.

So it would follow I would like Stargate's take on the crystal skull story. :)

Lieutenant Sparrow
October 23rd, 2011, 04:50 PM
Not a bad ep. Was good to get to know Daniels grandpa. The idea of the crystal skull was cool but reminded me of Indiana Jones this time.

I wish we knew what it is we learnt from the ghost giants.

Brother Freyr
October 27th, 2011, 11:07 PM
I wish we knew what it is we learnt from the ghost giants.This is one of the greater disappointments of the series; we are left without follow-up to stories that clearly have not ended. Just this season we've had:


The Orbonne, whose pace of technological advancement will soon place their abilities far beyond our own. We end the episode as friends but never again hear of them.

The bounty hunter, who could get his hands on cool tech for us and give us blood samples of his people, for research to make humans incompatible to goa'uld

Nyan, the Bedrosian, is hired as a research assistant and never again seen by us.

This episode's Nick & the Giant Aliens

Please don't mistake me. I love SG-1 and have watched the series an embarrassing number of times. Even things we love are flawed, and for me, these voids are a weakness. We don't need entire follow-up episodes. Sometimes just a reference would do. Other times, a brief appearance by a guest actor.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 29th, 2011, 09:50 PM
Well, a weekend episode, makes we wonder what's going to happen in February (when Season 7 is on tap).

I thought it was a filter episode.

The background in this scene doesn't look right to me
http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/sg1_season3/321-CrystalSkull/screencaps/normal_sg1_321_0293.JPG

So this is the last episode to be shot in 16mm, every episode after (until New Order, Part 1 (I think)) will be shot in 35mm.

Monday, the finale, the Asgard are back and need our help. And thus begins modern/good SG-1.

jelgate
October 29th, 2011, 09:52 PM
Well, a weekend episode, makes we wonder what's going to happen in February (when Season 7 is on tap).

I thought it was a filter episode.

The background in this scene doesn't look right to me
[IM]http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/sg1_season3/321-CrystalSkull/screencaps/normal_sg1_321_0293.JPG[/IMG]

So this is the last episode to be shot in 16mm, every episode after (until New Order, Part 1 (I think)) will be shot in 35mm.

Monday, the finale, the Asgard are back and need our help. And thus begins modern/good SG-1.


You're a season too late:P

Starscape91
October 29th, 2011, 10:51 PM
Despite the horrible special effects this was a pretty good episode.

Matt G
October 30th, 2011, 06:21 AM
5pm and another ep of SG1...

1. Was a while since I watched this ep...so many things I forgotten.

2. Like Daniel initially being left behind.

3. And so many good lines from Teal'c - not often he was able to outdo Jack in the early seasons.

3. Of course you couldn't forget the "Grandpa" scene.

4. GIANT ALIEENS!

Solid standalone.

dtheories
October 30th, 2011, 01:57 PM
"I am proud of you."

Isn't that what everyone wants to hear at some point in their life from someone they admire or respect? Daniel loses his connection to his team, but discovers through observation how highly Jack regards his abilities, how concerned Sam is for him and certainly, how close a friend Hammond thinks of him. And then he gains and loses the grandfather he never really had.

The comedic lines, especially involving Jack - dense Nintendos, Napolionic power mongers, Holy smoke, Bullwinkle!, and his unforgetable entanglement with a blanket and an infirmary floor make this a quick and most pleasurable ride. Though I never understood why Daniel had to throw off his vest before chasing Teal'c back to the 'gate from inside the cavern.

"Can you imagine what it feels like to go on the most incredible journey of your life and have no one believe you?"

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 30th, 2011, 04:30 PM
Holy smoke, Bullwinkle!
It's Hokey smoke, Bullwinkle! (and if you listen closely, that is indeed what RDA says).

Seaboe

SaraBahama
October 30th, 2011, 09:40 PM
"Napolionic power monger!" *giggle-snort*

Dr. Frasier -5' 2" armed with heels and needles. LOVE Teryl!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(love all the previous commentary on this ep)

Jae'a
October 31st, 2011, 01:27 PM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/17673.html)
I wouldn't mind some Nintendoes passing over here. :P

garhkal
November 4th, 2011, 12:37 PM
Though I never understood why Daniel had to throw off his vest before chasing Teal'c back to the 'gate from inside the cavern.


Weight.. Drag.. All would slow him down.

jelgate
November 4th, 2011, 09:57 PM
This is really a character building episode. Nick Ballard is basiclly a plot device to explore more of Daniel's background while Daniel's plot of being in another dimension is used to explore how he thinks. And while I am not against character development and the plot is entertaining enough I have to wonder haven't we had enough episode highlighting Daniel this season? It would seem better to show something about Teal'c for example. This compliant aside I like seeing Daniel interact with his grandfather and the Mist aliens (too bad this is another of SG1 forgotten plot arcs) and showing his teamates real feelings about Daniel. In particular Hammond's story to his granddaughters.

Dave2
November 13th, 2011, 07:16 AM
What happened to Nick Ballard afterwards?? Did he show up from time to time like Jacob Carter?
And what happened to the parents of Hammond's grandchildren?

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 13th, 2011, 08:35 AM
What happened to Nick Ballard afterwards?? Did he show up from time to time like Jacob Carter?
Nope.

And what happened to the parents of Hammond's grandchildren?
AFAIK, nothing happened to them; we just never see them.

Seaboe

Dimes
December 27th, 2011, 01:53 AM
Good episode!
Granpa was cool! ;)

Sam-n-Jack-in-<3
July 26th, 2012, 02:13 PM
The only thing I will say about this episode is, at least they didn't nuke a fridge. ;)

The Mist
October 28th, 2012, 05:21 AM
I always felt they shoulda followed up on 'The Mist',for me these guys were either one of the other races or controlled or allied to another race like say the Knox. The Mist seemed to have power that could have been very useful and the fact they say the enemy of my enemy is my friend.Why did we never get to see that arc in full with some further episodes where we discover more about them and why the Goa'uld are their enemy,etc. I really liked crystal skull episode at the time for sure,still do. Hence my username ;-)

garhkal
October 28th, 2012, 11:01 AM
What powers did they seem to have?? I saw no evidence of any..

The Mist
October 28th, 2012, 11:05 AM
Yeah ok you got me there,well not powers as such but then again we will never know if or what they could or couldnt do,thats the frustration.I remember watching that episode and hoping further episodes would touch on who the mist were or who they were allied to.They were obviously adavanced and it bugged me why we never sought them out more.The enemy of my enemy is my friend,they wanted to be allies with us ...yet nothing ever happened.Just another random irritation of mine lol.

garhkal
October 31st, 2012, 09:14 PM
Just like many other things/people we never re-saw.

Major Clanger
May 6th, 2013, 06:57 AM
all I have to say about this ep is: Teal'c slow-mo running!

Falcon Horus
June 10th, 2013, 03:23 PM
Another episode I really enjoy watching. Fun comments made by Daniel while no one can see him. Rothman, I really don't understand how he ever managed to be Daniel's assistent. That man's an idiot compared to everyone else on the base. O'Neill's right, he wouldn't have been able to figure out an ash-tray. :p

Funniest infirmary-scene ever when Jack's complaining and drops to his knees when he's convinced he's fine -- Napoleonic Powermonger. :p

"Doctor Fraiser is usually correct in such matters."

Teal'c knows.

Random sidenotes:

* CGI is iffy in some scenes -- green screen is still visible behind Daniel, and when they're walking across to the pedestal that whole sequence looks too fake

* continuity error occurs when Teal'c reports back to General Hammond and they show the shot from presumably behind him to show that he can't see the others anymore. However, he should be in that shot. If it's supposed to be from in from of him, the camera is positioned too far back since he's still standing on the round platform when he radio's back.

* Teryl's wearing plateau shoes which look like giant shoes... I know she's otherwise dwarfed when standing next to the others, but they seriously look genormous (visible when she goes to pour Sam water in Rothman's office). :p

Also random... but as far as paperweights go, I think a crystal skull is just about the coolest you can have. :D

Seaboe Muffinchucker
June 11th, 2013, 07:13 AM
I also think this one is tons of fun to watch--and IMO, it has the worst special effects of the entire 10 seasons.

Seaboe

Baron Of Hell
June 20th, 2013, 07:02 AM
To bad they never go back to this. I got the feeling the aliens were doing a great and powerful Oz impression.

futurist
May 21st, 2014, 12:20 AM
"And now we must wait for the giant ALIENS."

Such a priceless ep! I agree with Baron Of Hell, the "Omeyocan" or whatever they named them in the Stargate RPG thingy are downright epic.
Wish we had another ep with them and Daniel's grandpa!

I Am Not James Spader
May 27th, 2015, 02:17 AM
To bad they never go back to this. I got the feeling the aliens were doing a great and powerful Oz impression.


"And now we must wait for the giant ALIENS."

Such a priceless ep! I agree with Baron Of Hell, the "Omeyocan" or whatever they named them in the Stargate RPG thingy are downright epic.
Wish we had another ep with them and Daniel's grandpa!

I was just going to ask if Nick and these aliens will actually return.

Big mistake not returning to this. I guess I forgot that this is the way TV used to be whereas now connected storylines and recurring characters are the thing. :)

Also, Jack's ongoing cynicism in regards to the unexplainable is getting tiresome. I'm not suggesting he just accept everything but Jackson's comment about him being an "ass" is very apt. With all he has seen, are "giant aliens" that hard a concept. :) Still, if he was more open minded, then the funniest moments of the episode would be lost. :P

And how bad a grandson is Daniel? Leaving his grandfather in a mental hospital when he should have all this time that the odds are the old guy was right. The falling out and never talking about Nick before just doesn't quite work.

I Am Not James Spader
May 27th, 2015, 02:20 AM
This is really a character building episode. Nick Ballard is basiclly a plot device to explore more of Daniel's background while Daniel's plot of being in another dimension is used to explore how he thinks. And while I am not against character development and the plot is entertaining enough I have to wonder haven't we had enough episode highlighting Daniel this season? It would seem better to show something about Teal'c for example. This compliant aside I like seeing Daniel interact with his grandfather and the Mist aliens (too bad this is another of SG1 forgotten plot arcs) and showing his teamates real feelings about Daniel. In particular Hammond's story to his granddaughters.

Funny thing is that just prior to watching the episode, I had been thinking that Hammond needed to be explored more - does he have a wife, grandchildren, etc.

Does this get expanded on at least? Or is it another thread that is abandoned.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
May 27th, 2015, 06:31 AM
Depends on what you mean by expanded. His grandaughters are background characters and stay thus (I think we see them once in eight years), but we always know they're there.

There are other background characters like this, who are acknowledged but not talked about much or developed.

Seaboe

kirsten187
May 27th, 2015, 10:49 AM
I love the scene in this episode when Hammond is on the phone to one of his granddaughters.

hedwig
May 27th, 2015, 11:09 AM
Funny thing is that just prior to watching the episode, I had been thinking that Hammond needed to be explored more - does he have a wife, grandchildren, etc.

Does this get expanded on at least? Or is it another thread that is abandoned.

Hammond is a widower, with one or two children (girls) and two grandchildren (also girls). His wife apparently died before he was assigned to the SGC.

hedwig
May 27th, 2015, 11:12 AM
I was just going to ask if Nick and these aliens will actually return.

Big mistake not returning to this. I guess I forgot that this is the way TV used to be whereas now connected storylines and recurring characters are the thing. :)

Also, Jack's ongoing cynicism in regards to the unexplainable is getting tiresome. I'm not suggesting he just accept everything but Jackson's comment about him being an "ass" is very apt. With all he has seen, are "giant aliens" that hard a concept. :) Still, if he was more open minded, then the funniest moments of the episode would be lost. :P

And how bad a grandson is Daniel? Leaving his grandfather in a mental hospital when he should have all this time that the odds are the old guy was right. The falling out and never talking about Nick before just doesn't quite work.

If you're interested, one of the Stargate novels goes into these aliens in more depth, and Daniel's grandfather is in it as well. It's called "City of the Gods" and is a pretty good story.

kirsten187
May 27th, 2015, 11:29 AM
I think his granddaughters are called Tessa and Kayla. On the speed dial on Hammond's phone in his office they are number one with the US President being number 2 :)

garhkal
May 27th, 2015, 05:41 PM
I've known plenty of mil folk who had their kids as speed dial 1, wife as 2, and their commander as 3.

hedwig
May 29th, 2015, 02:25 PM
And how bad a grandson is Daniel? Leaving his grandfather in a mental hospital when he should have all this time that the odds are the old guy was right. The falling out and never talking about Nick before just doesn't quite work.

I've always thought this, too. Seems an exceptionally long time for a person to be in a mental hospital (20 odd years) for something like that. And the hospital knew how to contact Daniel (if I remember correctly). It may have made things more interesting for Daniel to be on SG1 and having to be guardian for his grandfather and perhaps having him living in Colorado Springs.

I Am Not James Spader
June 1st, 2015, 02:28 AM
Depends on what you mean by expanded. His grandaughters are background characters and stay thus (I think we see them once in eight years), but we always know they're there.

There are other background characters like this, who are acknowledged but not talked about much or developed.

Seaboe

I meant in terms of developing Hammond himself - show more of his life outside the SGC.


I love the scene in this episode when Hammond is on the phone to one of his granddaughters.

Me too. :)


Hammond is a widower, with one or two children (girls) and two grandchildren (also girls). His wife apparently died before he was assigned to the SGC.

I've love continuity, backstory and reusing minor characters so if the writers can give a role to Rodney's sister on the other side of the universe, it makes to get Hammond of the SGC once in a while to deal with a family issue or attend a birthday party. :)

I Am Not James Spader
June 1st, 2015, 02:29 AM
If you're interested, one of the Stargate novels goes into these aliens in more depth, and Daniel's grandfather is in it as well. It's called "City of the Gods" and is a pretty good story.

A follow up to this episode or Daniel having flashbacks to his childhood?

I Am Not James Spader
June 1st, 2015, 02:30 AM
I think his granddaughters are called Tessa and Kayla. On the speed dial on Hammond's phone in his office they are number one with the US President being number 2 :)


Is that true? Love it. :)

I Am Not James Spader
June 1st, 2015, 02:39 AM
I've known plenty of mil folk who had their kids as speed dial 1, wife as 2, and their commander as 3.


:)


I've always thought this, too. Seems an exceptionally long time for a person to be in a mental hospital (20 odd years) for something like that. And the hospital knew how to contact Daniel (if I remember correctly). It may have made things more interesting for Daniel to be on SG1 and having to be guardian for his grandfather and perhaps having him living in Colorado Springs.

Yes, it would have been more believable if Nick had been living in a retirement home or by himself somewhere.

Sorry, but I don't care that it was "national security", I wouldn't leave a family member in a mental hospital when I know there is nothing wrong. This implies that Daniel is a jerk and embarrassed by his grandfather, which neither matches Daniel's personality or the relationship as it it is shown in the episode.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
June 1st, 2015, 06:52 AM
I wouldn't leave a family member in a mental hospital when I know there is nothing wrong. This implies that Daniel is a jerk and embarrassed by his grandfather, which neither matches Daniel's personality or the relationship as it it is shown in the episode.

At what point does Daniel know there's nothing wrong with his Grandfather? Clear up until he himself gets sent out of phase, he does not believe his grandfather was transported by the skull.

I don't like the mental hospital, either. I think it should've been an assisted living community with a memory care unit. However, I have seen medicare patients housed in rather inappropriate facilities (not due to level of care or cleanliness) because those are the facilities that will take medicare (in one case, a forty year old was in an old-style nursing home with a lot of very elderly residents while she was recovering from limb amputation surgery).

Seaboe

garhkal
June 1st, 2015, 12:58 PM
At what point does Daniel know there's nothing wrong with his Grandfather? Clear up until he himself gets sent out of phase, he does not believe his grandfather was transported by the skull.

Seaboe

Agreed. Up till that point he had no reason to NOT feel his grand dad was not mental.

I Am Not James Spader
July 19th, 2015, 12:25 AM
At what point does Daniel know there's nothing wrong with his Grandfather? Clear up until he himself gets sent out of phase, he does not believe his grandfather was transported by the skull.

I don't like the mental hospital, either. I think it should've been an assisted living community with a memory care unit. However, I have seen medicare patients housed in rather inappropriate facilities (not due to level of care or cleanliness) because those are the facilities that will take medicare (in one case, a forty year old was in an old-style nursing home with a lot of very elderly residents while she was recovering from limb amputation surgery).

Seaboe

Sorry, I haven't logged in a while so I missed this reply.

Nick believes he was transported by aliens - Daniel for years has that aliens exist and have close ties to Earth's ancient history.

So for four years Jackson left his grandfather in a mental hospital knowing that there was at very high probability that Nick was correct all along.

That they had parted on bad terms was a poor reason. Okay, "national security" is a problem but Jackson could at least have attempted to repair the relationship.

Also, the briefing where Jackson first talks about Nick is very strange - he acts embarrassed as though the idea of ancient aliens is weird despite the fact that he believed so fiercely that he ruined his own career.

And once again, O'Neill's (and others) "incredulity" at events makes no sense. Haven't they seen enough at this stage that they should be more open minded about strange possibilities events like Daniel being invisible, somebody else having an alien encounter, etc.

I'm not saying new events should just be another day at work that doesn't phase them, or that they believe every mad idea - but maybe by now when something bizarre happens O'Neill could maybe not use his "doubting" face so much. :)

blueray
July 19th, 2015, 05:40 AM
I always thought that Daniel and his grandfather's issues started when he didn't take him in after his parents died, but I could be misremembering it.

As for the level of care, Nick said that he had hallucinated before and it went beyond what happened with the skull, so that would explain the mental hospital. However I imagine that he was allowed some freedom in the facility as he wasn't a threat to anyone.

Daniel wasn't sure what happened to him at first, he starts to realize that his grandfather was also effected by the skull, however he was surprised when the grandfather started talking directly to him. As for the team not believing Daniel to be "invisible" might because they were hearing it from someone who they believed to be unstable. They understandable though he was transported somewhere.

garhkal
July 19th, 2015, 10:38 AM
And even with Daniel knowing what he knew by then, it is still a stretch imo for him to all of a suddenly believe his uncle/grand father.

I Am Not James Spader
July 19th, 2015, 03:46 PM
And even with Daniel knowing what he knew by then, it is still a stretch imo for him to all of a suddenly believe his uncle/grand father.

I don't mean he run screaming from the SGC that his grandfather isn't crazy. ;) However, once Daniel had discovered that his own ancient alien theories were now fact, you'd think he at least visit his grandfather to try start rebuilding a relationship, even without actually telling him about the Stargate.

It isn't Daniel's character I'm criticising here, but the story itself because it doesn't match Jackson's personality.

I Am Not James Spader
July 19th, 2015, 03:57 PM
I always thought that Daniel and his grandfather's issues started when he didn't take him in after his parents died, but I could be misremembering it.

As for the level of care, Nick said that he had hallucinated before and it went beyond what happened with the skull, so that would explain the mental hospital. However I imagine that he was allowed some freedom in the facility as he wasn't a threat to anyone.

Daniel wasn't sure what happened to him at first, he starts to realize that his grandfather was also effected by the skull, however he was surprised when the grandfather started talking directly to him. As for the team not believing Daniel to be "invisible" might because they were hearing it from someone who they believed to be unstable. They understandable though he was transported somewhere.

If I recall correctly, Nick did take Daniel in after the parents died and the falling out happen when Daniel was an adult. I think Nick tried to stop Daniel from pursuing the aliens idea, so he wouldn't end up a joke like he was.

And regarding the "incredulity" factor, I wasn't just referring to this episode, but rather the series overall. Yes, it wouldn't make sense to believe the "mental patient" and not believing is necessary for the humour of that scene to work. However, in the show overall, there have been situations where the characters react with doubt or disbelief rather than with "well, stranger things have happened". I'm afraid I can't think of any examples at the moment, so maybe I'll post the next time it happens. :D

garhkal
July 19th, 2015, 09:32 PM
I don't mean he run screaming from the SGC that his grandfather isn't crazy. ;) However, once Daniel had discovered that his own ancient alien theories were now fact, you'd think he at least visit his grandfather to try start rebuilding a relationship, even without actually telling him about the Stargate.

It isn't Daniel's character I'm criticising here, but the story itself because it doesn't match Jackson's personality.

Point taken. BUT maybe he wanted to, but got told no by the Military. Also he spent that two yr period between the movie and the start of SG1 on Abydos.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
July 20th, 2015, 06:54 AM
Let's face it: your complaint concerning the story is that TPTB didn't think of everything, and didn't do things the way you would have. That always happens. The fun lies not so much in saying "this isn't how it would've happened" but in coming up with an explanation of why it happened the way it did.

Seaboe

I Am Not James Spader
July 22nd, 2015, 07:09 AM
Point taken. BUT maybe he wanted to, but got told no by the Military. Also he spent that two yr period between the movie and the start of SG1 on Abydos.

No, if it doesn't happen or get explained on screen, then it doesn't happen. ;)

I thought it was a year between the events of the movie and the series? And anyway, he had three years after that working at SGC.


Let's face it: your complaint concerning the story is that TPTB didn't think of everything, and didn't do things the way you would have. That always happens. The fun lies not so much in saying "this isn't how it would've happened" but in coming up with an explanation of why it happened the way it did.

Seaboe

No, my "complaint" (and that is way too strong a word) is that they didn't think of something so basic. And yes, this happens all the time.

My comments are constructive criticism. It is a point I wished to discuss and see what other people opinions of it were. That is also fun. And one of the reasons for the existence of this forum.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
July 22nd, 2015, 10:45 AM
My comments are constructive criticism. It is a point I wished to discuss and see what other people opinions of it were. That is also fun. And one of the reasons for the existence of this forum.

I guess I don't see what's fun about it when you constantly reject other people's explanations. If that's part of what you enjoy, great, have a ball.

Seaboe

I Am Not James Spader
July 29th, 2015, 01:05 AM
I guess I don't see what's fun about it when you constantly reject other people's explanations. If that's part of what you enjoy, great, have a ball.

Seaboe

I'm not "constantly rejecting other people's explanations". I simply haven't seen a satisfactory explanation yet.

The fun is in the discussion and in reading what other people suggestions, whether I agree with those opinions or not.

garhkal
July 29th, 2015, 03:35 PM
When you 'havent seen a satisfactory explanation' how is that different from Rejecting other peoples explanation??

Anja
September 11th, 2015, 01:06 AM
Perhaps you should make a new thread like: How to discuss properly? :S

I've got a new point to think and write about: How can the sudden disappearance of the old man be explained to the world outside the SGC???????????

Falcon Horus
September 11th, 2015, 02:21 AM
Perhaps you should make a new thread like: How to discuss properly? :S

Good thing, you weren't here during the years when the show was on the air still and we fought a lot about various range of topics. :p

You'd be a frustrated mess.

Britta
September 11th, 2015, 02:26 AM
I've got a new point to think and write about: How can the sudden disappearance of the old man be explained to the world outside the SGC???????????

Well he was institutionalised, so that right there limits the number of people you have to explain it to. Just tell them he's transferred to another facility, perhaps?

Anja
September 11th, 2015, 03:07 AM
I don't think so because I'll never be a frustrated mess - LTS and there are about 30 little and big companions to cheer me up! By the way - my job demands nerves of steel and I've got them! :p

Anja
September 11th, 2015, 03:09 AM
Well, there are papers to fill in, there is health insurance, there is the social security card ... seems t be difficult.

Falcon Horus
September 11th, 2015, 03:25 AM
Well, there are papers to fill in, there is health insurance, there is the social security card ... seems t be difficult.

The simple answer would be: suspend your belief and all will be alright. :p

Anja
September 11th, 2015, 03:54 AM
Simple answers have never satisfied me - that's a line I've read somewhere.

Falcon Horus
September 11th, 2015, 03:54 AM
Simple answers have never satisfied me - that's a line I've read somewhere.

Darn it... :p

jelgate
September 11th, 2015, 07:33 AM
Good thing, you weren't here during the years when the show was on the air still and we fought a lot about various range of topics. :p

You'd be a frustrated mess.

Especially how we argued over the smallest of things

garhkal
September 11th, 2015, 11:53 AM
He died! Simple. No more insurance, no more tracking of his SS card, etc.

Falcon Horus
September 12th, 2015, 07:32 AM
Especially how we argued over the smallest of things

Ah remember them times... :p

Nirude
May 19th, 2016, 08:14 AM
One of my favorite episodes.. there's just so many unknowns in this one. I like that pure alien feeling. The CG was pretty bad in places, but it doesn't really detract from the overall experience.

It's also another one of those episodes that reinforces the fact many aliens in the galaxy are "hiding" from humans and the goa'uld. It would of been interesting to see the world from their perspective for awhile and come to understand it better, but I guess sometimes the mystery is better.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
May 20th, 2016, 06:48 AM
The CG was pretty bad in places, but it doesn't really detract from the overall experience.

I love this episode, too, while I think the CG is pretty much the worst in the entire series.

Seaboe

Nirude
May 20th, 2016, 08:55 AM
I love this episode, too, while I think the CG is pretty much the worst in the entire series.

Seaboe
One thing I thought was strange is how narrow that pathway is and that none of them seem the least bit worried about potentially falling into the huge black pit beside them.. maybe a CG issue. It didn't seem that much different to the width of the puzzle path in Thor's Chariot IIRC.

AlmostAntique
May 25th, 2016, 02:11 PM
One thing I thought was strange is how narrow that pathway is and that none of them seem the least bit worried about potentially falling into the huge black pit beside them.. maybe a CG issue. It didn't seem that much different to the width of the puzzle path in Thor's Chariot IIRC.

Thor's Chariot - wasn't this the episode where Daniel mentioned that he suffers from fear of heights?

Science
May 25th, 2016, 05:11 PM
Thor's Chariot - wasn't this the episode where Daniel mentioned that he suffers from fear of heights?

Yes.

AlmostAntique
May 26th, 2016, 05:38 AM
Yes.

Well it seems like it disappeared just like his allergy, cause there's no fear of heights in The Quest, too. ;)

Anja
May 27th, 2016, 02:12 AM
Fears can be overcome!!!

Falcon Horus
May 27th, 2016, 02:21 AM
Fears can be overcome!!!

Or taught how to control with simple tricks.

Anja
May 27th, 2016, 02:58 AM
Or taught how to control with simple tricks.

Overcoming is controlling and the tricks are not always simple.

maneth
June 11th, 2016, 04:50 AM
Interesting episode, even if it leaves lots of questions unanswered. I don't usually let bad CGI get in the way of enjoying an episode or a show, but this was pretty grim in places.

Tyrathraxus
June 20th, 2016, 11:49 PM
I had no issue with the Aliens. But yeah, I think another Wasted opportunity here. Did Nick die there?

AlmostAntique
June 21st, 2016, 02:37 AM
I had no issue with the Aliens. But yeah, I think another Wasted opportunity here. Did Nick die there?

Maybe he's still with the grey giant aliens, it's never mentioned.

Tyrathraxus
June 21st, 2016, 08:19 PM
I know it would hurt the show if they kept doing sequels to previous plot points but frankly , SG-1 had so many things it introduced and never touched on again.

garhkal
June 21st, 2016, 10:28 PM
And imo that is one of the FEW knocks i have at SG1.. So many things they left hanging..

Tyrathraxus
June 21st, 2016, 10:39 PM
Garhkal: Agreed.

Anja
June 22nd, 2016, 10:33 AM
See it this way: There is room left for your imagination!!!

Tyrathraxus
June 22nd, 2016, 08:57 PM
Anja: Yeah that's good and all, and your right.. they cant go back to every idea. But they built up this race as enemies of the Go'auld. Big strong looking Wispy ghost things who spoke Mayan. Yet they seemed to be impotent. They were stuck in a Big Pyramid on a single planet as far as we know.. so Im guessing the Go'auld kicked their ass a while back.

I just got the feeling that it was really all a show on their behalf. THey had some teleportation ability and mistform and that was as powerful as they were.

garhkal
June 22nd, 2016, 10:05 PM
And its not just them. We had many things they got a little into, ended an episode with in some cases but never went BACK to check out what happened.. Such as Nya and those 2 factions we got into a spat with, when Teal'c got blinded by that staff blast.. What ever DID happen with them.
Or the kids who were the 'memory' for that planet, which we changed by teaching them proper learning and who gave the naquada generator plans to Sam..